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and you can follow us on twitter at cnn sit room and join us on monday in "the situation room." you can watch us live or dvr so you don't miss it. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. out front next, breaking news, one more horrifying beheading at the hands of isis. british aid worker alan henning murdered and the message tonight is an american hostage is next. and live from the se syria-turkey border. and thomas duncan, his family said he was never in contact with a pregnant woman dying with ebola. laetz go "outfront." good evening. i'm jim sciutto in tonight for
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erin burnett. welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. outfront tonight, one more hostage beheaded by isis and two families, one british and one american going through unspeakable suffering. british aid worker alan henning was murdered in an isis video released late today and in the same video a warning that an american hostage will be next. he is the fourth westerner beheaded in an isis video. like the others it showed an english speaking masked militant waiving a knife over an aid. last december he was taken hostage from crossing turkey to syria. his wife made a tearful plea to his captors for her husband's life. >> we have a loss, why those leading the islamic state can open their hearts and minds to the truth about alan's
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humanitari humanitarian effort going to syria. please release him. we need him back home. >> it is called barbaric and repulsive and president obama saying the u.s. and allies will bring the perpetrators to justice. and now torment for american hostith peter cassig with the news he will be next. we are on the turkey-syrian border and it is great to have you here and you met him and you profiled him in lebanon in 2012. the story of the aid workers that went into syria. what else can you tell us about peter? >> well, jim, as you say, we het him in 2012 over the summer and he was such a dedicated and driven young man, believing in the need to try to help the
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syrian population. he was volunteering at a hospital in northen lebanon and afterward he set up his nonprofit, sarah, the special emergency response and assistance and he was running assistance into including al eppo. he was kidnapped 2013 on his way to try to help the doctors and nurses, the volunteers in the make-shift field clinics that were overwhelmed with the sheer scope of casualties that were coming in there. to get better training. and he was also delivering medical assistance. this is a young man who really thought that he had a purpose in life and that purpose was to help those who were in need in syria and he kept telling us syria was his calling. listen to what he told us back in 2012. >> we each get one life and that is it. you get one shot at this.
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we don't get any do-overs. for me it was put up or shut up. way i saw it, i didn't have a choice. like this is what i was put here to do. i guess i'm just a hopeless romantic and idealist and i believe in hopeless causes. >> reporter: and, jim, like so many others, like allen henning, peter, too believed in what he was doing. the aid workers and the journalists that we've been seeing horrifying beheaded at the hands of the isis militants. all of them traveling to syria and putting themselves and their lives on the front lines because they believe that they either had to give a voice to the voiceless, highlight the plight of the syrian population or they believed they had a humanitarian duty to try to help out whichever way they can, jim. >> and with the most peaceful intentions. you have a great perch there, you are right on the
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syrian-turkish border and can you see the fighting across the turkish border and can you see isis militants fighting kurdish rebels there. what is the impression of the u.s.-led military campaign? is the impression on the ground that it is making a positive difference? >> reporter: not to the extent that people would want to see it make a difference. and on both sides of the border, jim, whether it is people we're talking to who are inside syria, the kurdish fighters trying to desperately beat back isis as it closed in on the town of kobani or whether the refugees will flee across the border, people are stunned at the fact that this coalition is not doing more. they fail to understand how it is that so many countries could have banded together with this so-called cause of trying to defeat isis and yet on the ground we see them gaining more territory when it comes to the town of kobani where we continue to see them every single day carrying out horrific
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atrocities, jim. >> thank you very much to you on the border. a very personal connection to one of the americans now facing really just the horror of the possibility of a beheading. we are joined by our cnn counter terrorism analyst phil mud and analyst rick francona and journal mark hurt ling. if i could start with you, ten days into the campaign over syria and in iraq, no ground presence at this point, is it unrealistic to expect that that campaign should have made a difference, one, with pushing back isis fighters right across the border inside of turkey, surrounding that city of kobani, but in the behavior here? you have isis still showing its power and brutality of continuing to behead western hostages. is it too early to expect? >> there are two things there. looking at the air campaign, it is not just focused orb this one -- on this one town.
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they are arranging targets from baghdad to al eppo. and it looks like a lot of the countries on paper. but when you look at how many aircraft are participating at the moment, it is not that big of a campaign. so to expect that we could turn back isis in this one town and one battle is unrealistic, especially when there are no boots on the ground, no troops on the ground to positively control the airstrikes. you cannot drop bombs on trooping fighting unless you have someone there to accurately do that. and on the second point, has this not changed the behavior? >> i think the bombing may have accelerated because isis feels it needs to make the point. >> show the power and punish britain. >> punish the west for what they are doing. >> and general, it raises a question, if there aren't many aircraft involves as colonel francona mentions, should there
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be more? i've been watching the strikes, maybe one a day and none in the last 24 hours, should there be more or a higher pace of activity so they can push the fighters back and have a greater effect on the ground? >> what i would say, jim, is we're stretched pretty thin all around the world. this has been an effort, special a priority effort in iraq and syria. we've done good work in iraq as rick just mentioned, the strikes are effective. but i think we need to talk to the american people, whenever you have one air strike or whenever you have one bomb dropped, there are multiple aircraft supporting that one bomb drop. there are jammers, there are fuelers, intelligence planes and i think you're gathering intelligence while you are striking the targets at the same time -- >> and if i can, the quality of the targets, because i'm watching the list of things that are hit every day. a tark there and -- a tank
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there, a fuel vehicle here and it doesn't seem where the quality of the targets are here and i think we have to prepare the americans and others watching this program for a long campaign without immediate effect. >> we've been trying to say that for a long time. this is going to be a long campaign. and i would push back and say some strategic targets have been hit. there are numerous reports, some have not reached the western media in terms of main headquarters, if you will, of meeting places, of colonelran and isis in syria being struck. some of those don't get out because we don't have the immediate access to the press. but i think the targets are being hit, as well as what rick said a minute ago about the priority is the targets in iraq itself and syria is a secondary effort right now. >> well, phil, let me ask you this. the videos appear to be shot out
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in the open desert. and one asset the coalition has now is they are flying surveillance flights, both drones and man surveillance flights over syria and iraq where isis has the positions, would the flights gather more intelligence as to where the hostages are being kept so that they can be stopped before they carry out the beheadings? >> i don't think. so i don't think you can use that kind of surveillance to find a target as small as a person in a field or a safe house in a town. you need human source and technical intelligence. we are not going to resolve the crisis but flying over the area. you have to have penetration on the ground to find this stuff. and furthermore, the problem with intelligence, it is not good enough to know where they were yesterday. you have to know where they are tomorrow and that type of intelligence is tough to get. >> and if i could end with you colonel francona, this does get to the deficiencies of what is
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principally an air campaign without a ground presence, does it not? >> yes, it does. and i think we've been saying that for a long time. in iraq, i think we have a solution down the road. that will be the iraqi army and the peshmerga. >> if they perform. >> if they perform. and it is frustrating to watch what is happening with the iraqi army. in syria, our game plan is still years away. i don't think it is a viable game plan to rely on the free syrian army to take on isis when their real ideal is to overthrow assad. >> and it will take a year to train 5,000 soldiers in syria which is not a lot -- >> against a group like isis. >> thank you very much. "outfront" next, more than a week after thomas duncan developed symptoms of ebola, the bedding and towels have only just been removed today from his apartment complex.
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welcome back chblt breaking news at this hour, the ebola affected apartment in dallas, texas is empty. we've learned the four people
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who were quarantines inside of the home have been moved to an undisclosed location. and has mat workers at the apartment has removed duncan's contaminated sheets and towels. this is more than a week after he showed symptoms for the deadly disease. martin savage is out front in dallas, texas, where anxiety continues to grow. >> reporter: it is the epicenter of ebola in america and for the first time it looked like it. as dallas fire rescue has mat showed up, where thomas duncan was staying when he became ill with ebola. that was a week ago. since then the people he was living with have remained quarantines in a second floor unit under orders not to leave and under guard. his partner said that the towels
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and sheets that he used were still in theapartment with them. >> [ inaudible ]. the bed, the bed sheets, everything is on the bed. >> officials quickly said they are on the problem. this is the mayor of dallas speaking to erin burnett last night. >> within an hour, the company to remove that waste is going to be there. >> but it was easier said than done. some private contractors turned down the job. when one showed on thursday night, they were turned away because they didn't have the proper permission to transport the waste. >> that situation, i'm confident, will be handled today. >> reporter: one more fumble until the diagnosis of the deadly disease. it began with the mistake at a dallas hospital that sent duncan back into the public, even though a hospital nurse had been told he recently arrived from liberia, an ebola hot zone and was clearly showing symptoms of the illness.
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>> regretfully that information was not fully communicated. >> reporter: and many dallas residents have wondered why they kept the four people closest to duncan quarantined in a crowded apartment complex rather than in a medical facility? other misstep, communicating important information to the community. authorities have been informing the public in english and spanish and while most in the apartment neighborhood speak neither, coming from africa and asia. >> they don't know english and the computers. if they don't know english, they don't want cnn, abc and other news. >> and as you pointed out, the four that were quarantined inside of the apartment complex has been moved and a public information officer said they have been moved to a private residence somewhere in dallas county. they will not say where. but it was a residence donated by another family that felt
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moved by their plight and that is now where they will await the finish of their quarantine. jim. >> the family moved and cleaning up the apartment, all of those steps seem to be taking so long. thank you to martin savage in dallas. those close to thomas duncan have been upset it has taken eight days to get the family out of the apartment but to remove the sheets and towels he used. i'm here with thomas duncan's mother who has a message for her son and his nephew, jose evous. i want to start with you. you said your family had been trying to get the apartment cleaned and get out of the apartment for some time. what is your reaction to how long it took for health authorities to make that happen? >> well, it is very upsetting to me that it took that long to get the situation rectified. but we are glad they were able to come to the rescue of those
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people in that apartment complex. >> let me ask you this as well, because i know you and your family were actually pro-active when duncan had the first signs of this disease. you called the cdc to complain about the care your brother was receiving and tried to notify health authorities. can you describe to our viewers the steps you took and your frustration when you didn't get an immediate reaction? >> well, um, it was upsetting to find out that he was possibly infected with that deadly disease. and the hospital was not showing me any signs they were equipped to handle that particular situation so i called the cdc to ask for guidance and they pointed me in the right direction as to who to call and we took it from there. >> and let me ask you this as well. because there is a question about your uncle's responsibility in this as well. because there has been conflicting accounts of whether
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he was treating a family member back in liberia who had ebola and died of ebola. we heard from his brother that indeed he was caring for someone who had the disease back home but i understand you're saying he didn't have any contact. what did he tell you about that? >> when i spoke to eric, he told me he wasn't even in the area. he wasn't in the vicinity of that whole situation. he had moved along a long time ago. and when he heard that when i asked him the question, he said, well i wasn't even in that area and hi gone a long time ago. i wasn't near that area when that happened. so he wasn't a part of that whole scenario that has been populating the news all of these many days. so that is inaccurate. >> well let me, just for a moment, i'll play you a comment, a cnn interview that we did with a community interaction in
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liberia. this is what he's been told by people in the community your uncle came from. have a listen, if you can. >> [ inaudible ]. it was discovered that eric came down and eric was one of the caretakers, eric duncan who used to live in the room there who was one of the caretakers of mattaly. >> so you hear him say that he was one of the caretakers of the woman who died of ebola. is it you're view he's lying? >> unfortunately for liberia, there are so many ignore about governme -- ignorant government officials over there and they don't do any kind of legitimate background checks or a thorough investigation, and any time they see a camera, they just jump
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right in front of it and make a statement. and unfortunately, most of them are ignorant and all lies. but i'll tell you this much, eric, when i told me, i heard it from his mouth himself and even though he was struggling in pain, he told me he wasn't in the area and that is what i believe. i don't know that gentleman is, but the lies they are spreading, they need to stop. this man is fighting for his life and there is no reason to be slandering his name over something he didn't do. >> let me ask you this now, because also from the liberian government, they say now that they want to charge your uncle with lying about his possibly being exposed to the disease. what is your reaction to that, to the possible criminal charges against him? >> again, i'll tell you this much, again, there is a lot of ignorant liberian government officials. the good citizens of liberia do not deserve this kind of
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treatment and these people will be taken care of during the time of election. the good people of liberia will go to the election polls and vote all of these people out and we will have no problems with government officials trying to charge people, while they are trying to fight for their lives. >> and jose evous, i know your family is grieving for your uncle while he is fighting for her life. and i want to give his mother a chance to say to her son. can you tell us what you want to say to your son now? >> i want to say i lost my son. i want to speak to him. i want to tell him hello. i want to hug him. and i pray for him every day and the family members, every one love him. if anything happens to him [ inaudible ], so i want to tell
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him that everybody, the doctor, the nurses, i tell them thank you to every one of them who looks after my son, eric duncan. i thank you plenty. i tell every one of you in there, thank you for my son. i love him. all of the family members love him. we pray for him. >> well if i can say that our hearts and our prayers go out to you. we know that thomas duncan is fighting for his life right now. thank you very much for taking the time to speak with us. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. on "outfront" next, white house officials say the world has stopped every ebola outbreak and they will stop this one too. why there is skepticism, however, tonight. and government officials divided on restricting flights from west africa. should the u.s. shut down those flights?
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about the virus spreading to the u.s. there were, however, no major announcements. reporters asking tough questions on the government's handling of the only ebola case so far in the united states? >> every step of the way there were break downs. it broke down as the person was saying when he lied on the form, it broke down when the hospital turned him away. it broke down when the materials that were in his apartment haven't been thrown away. it broke down -- i mean, it feels like to americans like you guys are up here talking about we have this great and perfect system that will be able to, you know, contain this virus because we've done all of this preparation and yet it doesn't look like it's working. >> is nobody concerned there were breakdowns in dallas and are you confident there will not be similar breakdowns somewhere along the line. >> jim acosta is at the white house. leading up to this press
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conference, i and other folks were expecting announcements with new measures but the reporters have a good point because the health officials say the u.s. health system is impreg nabl but we've seen a lot of break downs with this case. >> you are right. and there was a lot of skepticism in that room. the white house has been trying all week to calm jitters about the ebola virus is no avail. so with the president away on a town hall on the economy, his security officer said everybody should be calm and dr. anthony fouchy from the national institute of health said it was, quote, extraordinarily unlikely there would be an outbreak of the virus in the u.s. but he didn't say there would not be more cases of ebola. here is what he to say. >> and in your opinion, there is no significant outbreak in the
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u.s. >> the reason i said that. let me reiterate it. the reason there is an outbreak now because the health care infrastructure and system in those countries is in -- inadequate and uncapable of handling the kind of identification, isolation, rapid treatment, protection of the people who are coming into contact and contract tracing. that is something that we have very, very well established here. so we have a case now and it is entirely conceivable. there may be another case. but the reason that we feel confident is that our structure, our ability to do those things would preclude an outbreak. >> now the doctor went on to say the n.i.h. is testing a vaccine and it should come back and if successful, a larger trial could take place in africa next year. but officials are not considering that point is a travel ban on countries in west africa. the white house said that would
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be counter productive. >> and another voucher made is that ebola is not that contagious a disease, you need direct contact as compared to in the air. i want to bring in randall larsson, and mary skaufo, a cnn aviation analyst. i've talked to dr. fouchy before and he said the difference is our health care is much more regionized and sourceful, but it is only as true as the health officials on the frontline and the ones on the frontline on this case missed signals here. how concerned should we be about that? >> well i agree first of all with dr. fouchy and with what you say, jim. public health in america is the federal government, state and local government. must it down at the local government level.
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i have complete confidence in cdc, dr. frieden and dr. fouchy. obviously they fumbled the ball in dallas. this is a good accounting for other counties and e.r. rooms in america, because if you walk into an e.r. room in america with those symptoms and you've been traveling outside of the united states, particularly africa, you will get more attention. i see this as a great weak-up call and i completely agree ebola is not the kind of threat we talked about at the wmd commission when we were worried about bio terrorism overwhelming our public health. ebola will not overwhelm our public health system in america. >> we have to hope the mistake of one case getting through as opposed to it causing other infections. mary, and can we ask you, because there has been a question raised about tightening travel restrictions from west africa, possibly canceling flights or something to make it
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less likely that someone could in effect lie their way through the system that exists now. is that a disappointment in your view? >> well, no. it is not disappointment because it hasn't happened yet. it needs to help because everything dr. fouchy said is why it needs to happen. the criticisms about west africa were replayed here. and it is on the honor system. there are no regulation that governor what the airlines should do and the airlines and the border and the customs and tsa are not equipped to handle and make those decisions. so until we get a reasonable system in place, and remember an aircraft is like a little city. if you take an aircraft to west africa it is not just the passengers you have to be concerned about, the pilots and flight attendants have to be eight hours behind the door, fuelers, people who clean the bathrooms or the planes and anyone is a potential vector and by putting them in that situation you have increased the
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other zones and the passengers will go to the other countries and now we've identified people entering the country after 9/11. but the aircraft presents another vector. >> and let me ask you a question. when we go to those countries over there, they are asking have you had contact with someone with ebola and showing any symptoms? and there is an honor system. and i've traveled to those countries and i fill out the form and i wonder who answers yes to this question. kind of like the terrorism questions, did you pack your own bags, et cetera. that sounds like a weakness you have to address because you have to rely on people with this disease because you may have it and not show symptoms for a number of days. how do you correct that? >> that is a series problem, jim. particularly with a long incubation period. it was a problem. i went to toronto in 2003 when it was sars and there was an honor system when you went to toronto and you fill out a form
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that said if you are sick while you're here, call this number. i guess people didn't keep that information. but we have to continue getting transportation in to west africa because that is where we're going to contain this. this is where most of the disease is. that is where we need to stop it. so i'm glad we're sending the military in their support role, logistics. they are not dealing directly with patients but they will provide communications and logistics and that is what we need. we have to stop it over there. >> we learned today that those troops will number 4,000 and many of them even building treatment centers as well. thank you very much to colonel larsson and mary for joining us. much more. the beheading of a british hostage and a warning an american hastage is next. and another video from isis. are they winning the propaganda war? faster than d-con. what will we do with all of these dead mice? stage is next.
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amount of time and effort he present on raising funds and ferrying aids and his friends felt they had to protect him into syria and back out. they were unable to do this. they made multiple attempts to rescue henning and that fell on deaf ears. >> and it was called a further disgusting murder and capturing the anger we feel when we see these. and the u.s.-britain taking part in the coalition but this is also a propaganda war in which the videos are a part. is isis winding that propaganda war? >> it is difficult to say who is winning the propaganda war just to say as who is winning the
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shooting war. on one level, yes, we've heard from the experts that isis is using these kind of violent videos to recruit ever more jihadis, especially the foreign fighters to syria. no sign that that flow of foreign fighters is slowing up or that isis has been weakened on the ground. it seems to have enough recruits but there is also a backlash against these kind of videos from isis. not only from mainstream muslims here in britain, as well as nonmuslims but even just this last week i was talking to a fighter -- a british fighter with the al qaeda linked al nous raw front and i talked to him by skype and he also condemned the barbaric action and videos saying they are not islamic. >> it is amazing how an al qaeda type garage that says that isis message is too brutal. that is the situation we are in.
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and welcome back to our viewers in the world and the united states. breaking news, a beheading by isis, today a british aide worker, alan henning, appears to be killed. kneeling nearby is an american aide worker, peter kassig, who appears to possibly be the next victim, joining me now is republican congressman chris smith, the senior foreign affairs representative. we have another american's life on the line tonight. this despite hundreds of airstrikes costing the u.s. nearly a billion dollars so far.
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you also at the same time have isis fighters advancing on the city of khobani, right there on the turkish border despite the air campaign. is it your view that the air campaign is making a difference whatsoever? >> i do believe, and admiral kirby does the updates, there is the degrading of isis going on. it has not been a silver bullet, but the hope is that there will be a growing disgust over this horrific series of beheadings. and of course, the widow now of the british individual made an impassi impassioned may as have others, and it fell on deaf ears. right now, some al qaeda affiliates repudiate the beheadings, which are so barbaric. >> but doesn't the campaign so
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far so you the deficiency, yes, you can hit the area, but can't stop the ground advance without force. hasn't it exposed what is the weakness of the strategy, despite all the situations you talk about both in the u.s. and the uk tonight. >> i agree, when the forces were pulled out, where it would have helped iraq maintain the command and control and the proper training, they have dropped the ball largely because of that lack of presence, in my opinion. but with that said, there are areas in the region, including turkey, that need to stand up. they have a vested interest, with ground troops, they're a very important member of nato. my hope would be that those ground forces would be derived from countries in close proximity, including the iraqis. >> but isn't it the trouble now
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where everybody wants to express outrage, where a great number of them are participating in airstrikes. but that is another level of risks going on the ground. no one in or outside the region is willing to take the step that everyone says is necessary to truly turn the tide of this fight. >> but jim, again, we have countries like turkey, certainly saudi arabia that has a very capable military as does jordan that could step up and could provide those ground troops. i think the president's idea of training people that might be deployable in maybe eight months to a year, 5,000 strong was a flawed idea from the start. we don't know who these people are, we don't know how to vet them to the point where we know that they are not perhaps on the other side. but i think these other countries that have standing armies and a clear capability need to step up. we are providing the air force as are a few other allies, and i think again, mistakes were made by the obama administration
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earlier on. and that has led, in my opinion, to this loathsome situation we're facing now. but with that said we need to get the other countries to step up. >> let me ask you another question, we have protests under way in hong kong against the chinese government. you have great long experience covering china. has the u.s. support for these protests been strong enough, in your view? >> well, frankly i'm very glad that the secretary of state made a very strong statement yesterday and today, calling for restraint on the part of beijing. the foreign minister, who was in town, i thought made a very ominous and a very disturbing statement about internal affairs. we hear that all the time when human rights abuses are being committed. and unfortunately, the country of china has to stand down and allow these protesters to exhibit their disgust over this reneging on the promise to allow
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elections in 2013, not to hand pick people from beijing. >> representative chris smith, thank you for joining us. thank you. "outfront" next, the mormon church frowns on alcohol, even caffeine, but now the church is dealing with an exploding drug problem, cnn's lisa ling just ahead. ♪ want to change the world? create things that help people. design safer cars. faster computers. smarter grids and smarter phones. think up new ways to produce energy. ♪
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we recently spoke to lisalilisali a. >> my mom has never drank, smoke, done drugs, you know, she doesn't doesn't relate to me at all. we don't relate with each other. >> why do you think addiction is so rampant among mormons here?
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>> honestly, i think they're depressed or hiding some type of issue in their life. >> some mormons are technical supposed to abstain from alcohol, coffee or empty, but you found mormons who are addicted to drugs. >> well, they uphold what is called the health law, which tells them what they should and should not consume. they have been successful, they have some of the lowest drug and crime in the country. but prescription pills, because they're doctors who prescribe it, they really, really struggle with it. knew >> is there a stigma to that? >> yes, a number of people i talked to, people were very candid and wore their hearts on
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their sleeves. they say as mormons, it is very important to uphold this image. it is self-imposed, in many cases, but it is hard for them to come clean. when i went there i was really surprised that even people in the church, the leadership, they recognize it is an epidemic there now. >> epidemic, well, lisa ling, thank you. >> and this is life airs this sunday night at 10 eastern, thank you for joining us. "ac360" starts right now with john berman. good evening, we have breaking news tonight on the ebola story. we're waiting to hear from dallas mayor mike rawlings and county school officials who any minute are expected to announce late developments in the story. now, one of the late developments will almost certainly be that the family who hosted thomas duncan and maybe exposed to the virus that