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>> more interviews with america's top business leaders and plus all the money news that matters most including stock, jobs and tech. you can find us on twitter and facebook. have a great weekend, everybody. here in the cn, in newsroom, we are following a developing story in new jersey where passengers on board a united airlines flight from brussels have been quarantined at the gate. cnn confirmed that a male passenger on board that plane is vomiting and the centers for disease control and prevention are responding right now fot situation. staff is working to determine where the sick passenger came from before departing brussels. you may recall the ebola patient from liberia who is being treated in texas arrived to the united states also on a united flight from brussels. the crew is headed at this moment to newark airport and we
will get you the latest as we have it. we will have more information on the situation, but in the meantime, the number of people in the dallas area considered to be at a higher risk of developing ebola has been reduced to nine. that is according to officials. so far none of those nine people have shown symptoms of the disease. the group is believed to include family members and doctors who came in contact with ebola patient thomas eric duncan of liberia who landed in dallas on september 20th and gone to feel ill several days later. overall about 50 people are being monitored daily for any potential ebola symptoms. also they announced that a patient, thomas eric duncan's condition is worse and he is listed in critical condition. martin savvy and saj on the ground outside of that hospital
and we have a professor in dallas and a former cdc disease detective and we are joined by the head of emerging infections department at the naval research unit. very disturbing new that is the patient has been elevated to critical condition. what do you know? >> we don't know much more than that. he had been in serious condition in the previous days and the updates he received from the health authorities here. we are told he worsened to critical condition. we don't know if that means additional attempts are being made to render aid and is he is life support. we don't have that insight and i will say whether this is part of the progression of battling the disease. meanwhile, the news is looking very good when it comes to containing ebola to just the one index patient.
they are the high risk individuals known to have come in direct contact with all of those people. there is not any indication that someone is getting sick or has ebola and that is good. those who are closest to duncan, the woman who is his girlfriend and their family remain in isolation. their living conditions have been improved upon and authorities here are saying they are asking for the prayers of the community and for the family members. they don't want people to feel they are being stigmatized because of possible contact with the disease. that's another kind of contagion they worry about. they look at others because they may have come in contact. that's something they also want to make sure doesn't spread in any way.
some of them were told not to go to work. a lot of people want to know, what about the treatment and the experimental drug that was given to the two aid worker who is came back from west africa and treated successfully here in the united states. do we know if duncan is getting that? >> the cdc had an update and they said if his doctors and if his family requested it, the experimental medications, they didn't specify a name. they said experimental treatments would be and are available. they have to be requested by the doctor and the family. they did not say if any request has been made. >> martin savage, thank you for the reporting. i want to bring in other experts. first to you. i want to ask you about this 19 is quarantined at newark. we are proceeding with caution here. we have not been given any indication that this is at all tied to ebola.
i don't want people to judge ump to conclusions. you have a male passenger vomiting and experts there assessing the situation that is right in protocol with the faa guidelines. what happens when something like this is occurring. given your background, what is likely going on right now? >> the response is very rapid and that's reassuring. we don't know at all if this is an ebola case, but say it is, because the response has been so rapid, this is likely to be successful in terms of contact training and containing it. what they will be doing is monitoring the patient and testing and isolating them just in case. taking a good travel history and seeing where the plane came from and what contact they had with potential ebola cases or not. i will monitor the close contacts on the plane and it may not be everybody on the plane, but those who are about feet away from the patient. >> i want you both to listen to comments by the director of the
cdc. basically saying the key to controlling this disease lies in west africa. listen. >> we also -- i do believe we have to recognize that we are all connected. and although we might wish we could seal ourselves off from the world, there americans who have the right of return and many other people who have the right to enter into this country and that we are not going to be able to get to zero risk no matter what we do unless and until we control the outbreak in west africa. >> how do we do that? he was asked yesterday whether or not we should restrict travel in and out of west africa. he said absolutely not. that is not the solution. to you, how do we get a handle on it there? >> i agree. restricting travel is not the solution. we really need to focus as we have been trying to do through the obama plan and other responses internationally and focus on the grounds in west
africa. that's where the story is. the occasionally case here may happen, but we know how to control that and don't anticipate a major problem in the united states. we need to get people trained and drastically wrap up the infrastructure to control this in liberia and guinea. that's the only way. >> i want you to listen to more comments ahead of the cdc talking about just that. whether or not travel should be restricted. listen. >> we really need to be clear that we don't inadvertently increase the risk to people in this country by making it harder for us to respond to the needs and harder to get assistance in and therefore the outbreaks would be worse and go on longer and something we did to protect ourselves might increase our risk. >>. >> we had just last month from
the official at world health organizations when momentarily there was european flights to west africa that were restricted. they said hold on, we need to go there and send doctors and nurses and get medical splois there. you made it really difficult to get in and get out again. >> the pentagon spokesman, we may send as many as 4,000 troops on the ground. i will start with you, doctor. what is the most critical thing that our u.s. troops can do, given that these are not all doctors and infectious disease specialists. these are people with training in crisis situations. it's really more of a public health approach right now. we need to limit contact between infected people and other people and other regions or villages or
family members and trying to get them people who are sick intoes ailation and give them the best treatment. the logistics are overwhelming and we are making progress and it's not as fast as we might like. >> absolutely as more and more people continue to die from the disease in west africa. thank you both for the expertise. martin savage will be joining us throughout the evening. thomas eric duncan in critical condition at a hospital in dallas. many question the handling of his case and how other patients have been quarantined there if ebola spreads. also, is the united states ready? we will discuss, next. [door bell rings]
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tracing. there needs to be a balance about how far you across that wide ned and how meticulous you are as well. they are quite concerned that perhaps it isn't as good as it should be. they stayed there for a few days with soiled bedding and soiled clothing that wasn't cleaned until yesterday. furthermore there was vomid on the floor that was just hosed down with water. that is not according to guidelines. there communications problems going on here. >> interesting and the head of the cdc was asked and does the cdc have the right to mandate that local health officials in texas do what they say? they said no. ultimately it's up to the people on the ground. is that the right way to do it?
>> that's how or country works for centuries now. just as we don't have the right to dictate what might happen, the state department of public health that is the dominant authority and can request some assistance from cdc and nevertheless it is the state's responsibility. >> when you look to continue with you, when you look at what was happening, all of the inability or the lack of action in terms of getting the soiled sheets, et cetera out of the apartment where thomas duncan was staying. the family members were in there for days. they were finally moved last night. how big of a problem is that? >> it is a problem. as we said many times and everyone knows by now, this virus is spread by direct contact with blood and bodily fluids and soiled sheets where someone had vomiting or nausea
or diarrhea could be infectious for a certain time. the virus doesn't last very long in the environment once it is shed, but for hours and up to a few days, people who had contact would be at very high risk. >> to you on the ground there within the community and martin savage was talking about this issue of you don't want people to be isolated because they lived in the same place. how would you assess that on the ground? >> there is concern and fear here because the issue with the hospital. when the president was discharged home and the three statements, they were very different. they contradicted each other. on wednesday they were told they
took a travel history and did not relay that information to a doctor. we are told that the nurse's electronic health care system doesn't communicate and there was a flaw. just last night we are told there was no flaw and we're confused. this transparency is so important not because we want to blame people. we need to than they can prepare and learn from the mistakes. >> what do you think? what can we learn from the first case now being treated in dallas? >> the transparency is extremely important. it's not that complicated. we can't control who comes into the country and we don't want to cutoff the flights, but we need tos ailate that person and do the contact tracing and be transparent and the whole system is based on having the correct
information. if we don't have that, that's where the danger comes in and not knowing who we need to trace, also extremely important in west africa. >> i want you both to stick around. we will take a quick break on the other side. a lot of you have been asking questions about ebola. you will get them from the experts. the doctors will join us with answers, next. it's not about how many miles you can get out of the c-max hybrid. it's about how much life you can fit into it. ♪ the ford c-max hybrid. with an epa-estimated range of 540 miles on a tank of gas. and all the room you need to enjoy the trip. go stretch out. go further.
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it was a virus that few of us felt posed a risk and ebola reached america. four americans have been sickened by the disease while in liberia, the first case diagnosed in the u.s. just this week. back with me with the spread of this disease, of course you guys come so many questions and a lot of viewers have been tweeting and writing on our facebook page. let me bring you the first question. this comes from joseph. he wrote in what does the ebola virus do to the human body? >> it has many, many different effects on the human body. is on the blood and causes a strange paradox of clotting and thinning and uses up all the things we have to help clot the blood so you can have this
profuse bleeding and causes drop-ins blood pressure and early symptoms because of the virus and fever, headache, aches and pains and the joints and the muscles. diarrhea and vomiting. what can happen is that different organs start to fail. the kidneys and the liver and the specific treatments, what we want to do is support the patient as much as possible and prolong their lives so the immune system can fight off the virus. >> there is no fda-proved treatment at this point and no vaccine. something they are working on. they wrote in and said given the health care structure, what is the realistic worst case scenario for an ebola case? >> the worst case scenario is not 1 that concerns most americans even though it's a tragedy for a few individuals. we are very unlikely to have a large outbreak. it will not circulating and infecting lots of people.
we may have a situation where a traveler results in infection of a few people that may happen with this case in dallas. maybe not. we will see. a few people on the frontlines and a health care worker who is maybe not as careful as they need to be. family members who are taking care of someone who are extremely ill. we will not have a large ebola outbreak here in the united states. >> reassuring to hear that. how soon this was written to us, how soon after exposure can you test for ebola or do you have to wait for symptoms to show before you can do an accurate test? >>. >> the cdc guidelines say you have to have symptoms before you test. the symptoms would have to be around for three days. when there is enough virus in the body to test for ebola. >> that's what is concerning because many people say we don't know if someone we are with and has contact doesn't have the symptoms idea. jonathan wrote in, can ebola be
more easily contracted in a swimming pool? >> no. this is not a virus that is very hearty in environment. once it is shed from a human into the environment would be inactivated fairly rapidly. from the chlorine that would be in a public pool from sun light and heat. the danger here is not so much just casual contacts in the environment, but close contact with blood and bodily fluids of someone who is ill. of course our chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta has been all over this story and he is going to have much more on the ebola situation in the united states and what is being done about it. sanjay gupta md, the special reporter airs an hour from now. following developments ann irpt where a sick passenger traveling for abroad took ill.
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back to a developing story, a possible scare on a plane from brussels to the united states. i want to go to christina who joins us from newark airport. we got word in the last few hours. the persons were quarantine and a man was sick and vomiting on the plane. passengers no longer quarantined, is that right? >> that's right. we understand that they have been let go as you may have mentioned before. the cdc's quarantine officers were here assessing the patient and then subsequently the performs were let go. we understand that they are going through customs and could be coming through the doors now. what we know so far is that the passenger and his daughter were
transported to a local university hospital where they are being treated. obviously the patient was at the hospital now and vomiting on the plane. that's what raised concerns to begin with. >> the question that comes to everywhere's mind, do we know if this could have anything to do with ebola? do we know at this point? >> we don't know. in fact, neither the port authority or the cdc is telling us where the passenger originated from. we spoke to a family member on board. his 11 yore old nephew on board the plane. the 11-year-old was coming from liberia through a connecting flight in brussels. we don't have any other further information on the passenger at this point. we will keep on it. >> i know that is critical. we don't know where this man who fell ill and was vomited originated.
he connected in brussels. we want to show the viewers photos that we have gotten in. these are photos of officials of some sort on board that flight, that united airlines flight. you see them holding with gloves on on that flight. the passengers have been taken off the plane and allowed to go through customs. that is a scary thing to have happen when your plane lands with the heightened awareness of ebola right now. in terms of what officials are saying at this point in time, are they advising those passengers that got off the plane to do anything specific? >> we don't know, but what i can tell you to confirm what you just said, there airport workers inside with masks on. it is definitely a scary sight and up until this point there hasn't been a ton of talk about
how we should limit flights from the countries. obviously the faa actually put out a statement kind of addressing the issue as to whether or not flights should be banned from the countries where the outbreak is happening. this current scare may give people some doubt or raise questions about flying in general when you have to be quarantined for a couple of hours on a plane. whether or not it turns out to be an ebola-related case if the cdc is letting performs out, it would lead to you believe it is not, but it raises questions for flyers and persons. >> it also brings up the question, how soon can know and how quickly can the test happen, etc. we do not want to alarm people and at this point we have no indication that this is tied to e bella, but all the officials are taking precaution. christina is on the story and will be on it all evening. thank you. >> coming up next, isis now
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a lengthy address. they said fighting ebola is a national security priority. she said she was confident in the u.s. response. let's listen. >> i want to emphasize that the united states is prepared to deal with this crisis. both at home and in the region. every ebola outbreak over the past 40 years has been stopped. we know how to do this. we will do it again. >> let me go to ben first. how do you rate the u.s. government's response? >> incredibly overconfident is the biggest concern that i see and mainly being here in dallas, we were so confident at the cdc when the president was there on the 16th of september saying the likelihood of coming to america was very, very minimal. when he talked about that, we have all these stop gaps, the safety precautions that we are supposed to have.
they multiple times failed with the patient that is here in dallas. we saw the failure at the hospital. we saw it when it came to the check on the airport and the failure when he went to the hospital the first time. we saw the failure with a kwar know teen and the kids going to school and we saw the failure with the hazmat crew that didn't come in for multiple days after he was diagnosed with ebola. i think we are overconfident and i think we should start looking at the possibility of maybe are we not as cautious or as good at dealing with this as we think we are? >> what do you think? do you agree? was the u.s. government caught off guard? >> the u.s. government was not caught off guard. the ball was clearly dropped with regard to not identifying symptoms of ebola and not knowing the person had come from africa and that caused this. the u.s. was prepared for it. >> were we fully prepared for putting all our efforts at the
nih in fast tracking some sort of treatment? there is no fda-approved treatment. >> the fast tracking treatment such more difficult than we think. the most difficult part of this process is identifying the first case. when you get that, it's about having strong resources and networks and we have all of those things. i'm not overconfident, but there is no reason to believe we can't do what we have always done which is stop this. >> i think we can stop this. the question is how many people's lives are affected and how many people's lives it can cost. the statement yesterday at the white house when they said we have stopped every outbreak of ebola, the question is how many people died when you tried to stop it each time. that's the core issue. you have to lock at the basic things that we learned about here in dallas. we didn't even have a protocol of what to do with all of the hazmat material after somebody comes down with ebola. we didn't have the right permits. it was a private company.
people didn't know how that was going to be done. this is with one individual. what happens if it turns into or ten or 15 or 20. >> we don't need to panic. >> we are not doing it right. >> i'm stuck in tweep the two of you. there is a fine line and we heard the president saying it is unlikely that it comes to the united states. you don't want to freak out the american public unnecessarily. at the same time looking at what we have seen happen in dallas, doesn't every city and state government need to make this a top priority in terms of having plans and removal of things like in dallas. for should which hospital will treat it. do you think that cities and states are prepared enough? >> i think they are now. what we saw in dallas is reflective of what would happen in any city. you don't want to beat up on dallas too much. there is a disconnect that could have happen, but people know
what has been going on. that's unacceptable. the hospital issue is unacceptable. we have the resources in place to stop this from happening. how many lives can be lot of in this process. i think the answer will be zero. >> so learn the lessons. it's easy for people to criticize that are dealing with it, but i want to get your thoughts for us to go on this. u.s. military we learned could send as many as 4,000 troops to west africa to help. do you agree with that u.s. response in terms of is that the right kind of mission for troops? are you glad to see that happening? >> i'm glad if it's in a certain role with the aspects of going in and setting up things. we are very good at seding up triage and mini cities and the logistics of that to help treat this. pretty much every 30 world country could be devastated by the outbreak and that's where i would like to see them.
i want to be cautious and careful that we don't put them in real harm's way directly interacting with the virus itself. i want to make sure that we have a clear indication from the government that that is what their role will be in a set up logistics and we are out. >> i think the troops need to be there and they are careful. this will prevent a wider spread. we have to be careful. there have been far too many deaths in africa. we are continuing to follow the developments at newark airport where a sick passenger traveling from abroad took ill. we will have the latest after the break on what is happening there. turn the trips you have to take,
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september adding fuel to those who see a slow but steady recovery. our chief business correspondent christine romans takes a look inside the numbers. >> a strong jobs report in september. the economy adding 248,000 net new jobs bringing us back to this level we'd seen in the summer of 200,000-plus you want to see that continue. even more exciting an unemployment rate that fell below 6%. we haven't seen this since 2008, july 2008 to be exact. 5.9% unemployment rate. when you look at the recovery, you can see this trend has been slowly building. a jobless rate way back in 2009 that hit 10%, since then slowing going down here to below 6% right now. what does the job growth look like? because this is what's so important. what is the trend? is it consistent? if you look at every month this year on average 226,000 jobs created that's the strongest monthly performance in recent memory going back to before the
recession. >> thank you for that. we're talking economics and, you know, it always is political when you talk about the jobs report. let's bring in cnn commentator mark lamont hill and also ben ferguson. you saw christine's report. unemployment is at 5.9% that is a lot better, it's a six-year low. and 248,000 jobs created last month. there are still, though, some underlying numbers that are really critical that don't make the headlines. you've got less than 63% of americans participating in the labor force the lowest since the 1970s. 3 million americans long-term unemployed meaning they've been out of work six months or longer. when you are out of work six months or longer it means it is harder for you to get a job. >> it's considerably harder. >> are we out of the woods? >> no. over the past five years we've seen progressive growth in jobs and also the rate of job increases. the unemployment rate dropped and those are good things and positive signs. i remember five years ago people said this will never happen
we'll continue to plummet and we haven't. it's simply untrue. but the question is how can we get people back into the labor force and increase the pool itself and for the people on jobs to create living wages and long-term security for them because it's not just about having a job, it's about having a living wage job. >> and, of course, ben, minimum wage has been front and center throughout this president's term, we've seen increasingly states and cities raising their minimum wage significantly even though there hasn't been movement on the federal level. the issue you have 3 million americans long-term unemployed and they are struggling and they just cannot get a job it gets harder for them by the month. >> not only that, you have a lot of these jobs created, unfortunately are part-time job hours. >> right. >> they're not full-time jobs and so these numbers on the surface are something that in politics you would i think take a victory lap on. have a big backdrop that talks about a recovery. but i think this administration is actually smart not to do that. you didn't see some big
announcement and big -- >> no. >> -- run around yesterday because they know that the reality is these numbers aren't actually real. there's a lot of people that have just literally -- >> wait. what? >> they are real, ben! >> no, let me break in, guys, let me explain what ben is talking about and that is that the unemployment rate does not count people who have given up looking for a job in this country. that is why the headline number doesn't say it all. >> that's absolutely fair. but that doesn't shift it, ben. go ahead, ben, finish. >> you have the president whose approval rating on the economy is in the 30 percentile area and the reason why it is because a lot of people have stopped even looking for a job or they have fewer hours than what they need to take care of their families and that's why i'm saying truly i think the administration was smart. you don't jump on this and praise it too much because then people say, do you have any idea how bad it is out there for me? i'm only working 21 hours or 23 hours instead of 40. >> that's a great backhanded
compliment. >> it's honest. if you are out of work, it's honest. >> you say the obama administration is smart for taking credit of the success because it's not really a success. >> i mean for not overplaying. >> it's still a success, ben. the same numbers that aren't real were appealing to these numbers that saying the president was doing a poor job despite the fact that the economic collapse preceded him. >> let's talk about this being the final jobs report before the midterm elections on november 4th. it's the economy, the economy, the economy, that's what we hear all the time around the election. right now it's isis and ebola and the economy. ben, do you think the economy is front and center during the midterms? >> mark my words you won't see a lot of candidates especially in areas that are not having a great economic time right now go out and run on these numbers because it will make them look completely out of touch with the hurt of the people in their districts, in their communities who are underemployed or just stopped looking for a job. if it was so great to, marc, you
would have democrats running on this and they're not because they know the numbers are not really what the people are seeing on the streets. there are too many that are not employed. >> marc, when you look at -- when you look at the upcoming elections, do you think it is economy number one or is it homeland security and the threat of ebola? >> i think there's a difference between things that people are concerned with primarily at a particular moment and things that people vote on. no one is going to the voting booth and pulling a lever for or against ebola because people are on the same page with that. so, in the camps i'm not sure that those issues are divisive enough. i think ultimately people will say am i doing better than i was. >> we know the latest cnn poll on thursday showed 57% of those polled felt the economy is poor. 42% feel it's good. that's a reflection of the american people. >> that's what we should be working on. guys, thank you for being with us. >> the only poll that matters is that one that you just said. >> why do i sense some sarcasm
in your voice there, ben? we're not going to lent you go. stick around. we'll have you more on this evening. as we hit the top of the hour here, thank you, gentlemen, for being here. thank you all for watching. you are in the "cnn newsroom." i'm poppy harlow. good afternoon, everyone. you're in the "cnn newsroom." i'm poppy harlow joining you from new york. we are following two developing stories this hour involving the fight against the fears about ebola. at new jersey's newark airport a sick passenger was removed upon arrival from brussels and more than 250 people on board the flight were briefly quarantined. it is another sign of the heightened awareness of ebola and its potential dangers. the man who was sick was eventually trages port lly tra hospital. passengers were allowed to disembark and go through customs and make their way home. in the meantime the number of people in the dallas area considered to be at a higher risk of developing ebola has
been reduced. this is good news.duced to nine according to the latest data. and so far none of those nine people has shown any peoples of the disease. also in dallas, texas, that presbyterian hospital did announce that the ebola patient thomas eric duncan his condition has worsened. he is now listed in critical condition. our martin savidge is outside the hospital where duncan is being treated right now. and we are also at newark airport. martin, let me begin with you. it's very upsetting that his state hack upgras been upgraded critical. >> reporter: it's a mixture of bad news coming out for that particular patient. good news for the overall containment of ebola so let's take it one at a time. the condition worsening it's gone from serious to critical. we do not know anything beyond that. we don't know what sort of additional treatment is being applied here or what may have led to his condition growing
worse, we just know that it has. meanwhile, the other effort is, of course, trying to identify anyone who may have come in contact with thomas duncan. initially it was at 114. they've systematically been sitting down and talking to everybody. this is a massive effort. but it shows you the kind of footwork that's involved. the cdc has two groups that are going through all of this contact tracing they call it. it is critical to try to control the disease by actually making contact with anyone. they have whittled the list down from 114 to 50 of which you've just pointed out 10 of those people are considered high risk because they had direct contact. four of those people are the people that are in quawrn teera the others are medical people that may have come in contact with him. all are being monitored and the most important news of all is no one outside of the original patient are showing any signs of ebola. they continue to monitor the quarantine and the watch period goes on for some further time.
poppy? >> that's very encouraging news. a lot of people want to know will this patient or has this patient mr. duncan received that experimental treatment zmap or any other treatment that has worked on those few cases that have been brought back to the united states? do we know? >> reporter: we don't know. and that was a question that was put directly to the cdc. i think the way the question was put was actually is or are those treatments available to him because we've been told at times that some of those treatments are in extremely small supply and they may have already been used in the previous cases you mentioned. apparently the cdc says those treatments are available but the choice to use them is up to the family of the patient and up to, of course, the doctors who are caring for the patient. we don't know if they have decided that is the proper course at this time. >> right. >> reporter: again, we should point out his treatment or his condition has grown worse, now critical. poppy? >> let's hope that he is able to improve and recover. martin savidge, thank you for that reporting. i want to go to christina leishi
who is standing by in newark airport. we know a man coming from brussels to newark was vomiting on the plane. you had some officers on the plane with rubber gloves on. the cdc was responding. but at this point that man has been taken to the hospital, right? and the passengers have been removed. so, do we know what the latest is? what could have caused this? >> reporter: we don't know what the latest is because the cdc isn't telling us precisely where the man is from and, you know, how they were able to determine and assess whether or not to let those passengers off the plane so we have limited details on that front, but what we do know is the passengers as you mentioned have been allowed off the plane. they were going through customs up until a few minutes ago. in fact, we spoke to a gentleman who said he was a family member of a passenger that was on the plane. he said that he's been waiting for his nephew and that his nephew actually had come from liberia through brussels.
here's what he had to say -- >> i think it sounds like we don't -- it sounds like we don't have that sound. so can you just recap for me what he said? >> reporter: sure. he said, you know, he thought that the authorities were doing the right thing even though it's obviously a big scare, three hours he had been waiting -- about two hours he had been waiting for his nephew, now longer and that he thought the authorities were doing the right thing because the precautions that are necessary given the heightened concerns about ebola coming into the country. he thought it was the right thing to do. >> but, again, we do not have any indication at this time that the patient who was vomiting who is now being treated at the hospital has ebola or any indication that he may, right? >> reporter: that's exactly right. and without further details from the cdc as to how they came to the determination or how all the
authorities involved here came to the decision to let those passengers off, we don't have any further details on what led them to make that decision. but one would think if you let passengers off the plane and -- >> right. >> reporter: -- that were exposed to a potentially sick person that they had to have ruled out some kind of ebola because they're not -- the passengers coming off the plane aren't quarantined. >> right. >> reporter: they're allowed to interact with other people so, you know, that would indicate that that was the case. >> yeah. all right. we appreciate the updates on reporting. i know you're continuing to dig and try to get some of those agess from the cdc. thank you, we'll get back to you a little bit later in the show. in the meantime this, the response to the dallas hospital that turned ebola patient thomas eric duncan away at first has caused a ton of concern. he was initially given antibiotics, he was then sent home for days. now many are asking are u.s. hospitals properly equipped to handle an ebola outbreak? our kyung lah looks at one
hospital's property call. >> reporter: the first line of defense if there is an ebola outbreak in the united states will be the nation's hospitals. so do they have a plan? at this one they do. the patient will most likely come into the emergency room. and what this hospital, the los angeles county usc hospital, here in los angeles, what they've put into place is essentially an action plan. the pasht watient walks into th emergency room. you always check in. one of the first things they ask if it looks like the patient has a fever, is sweating, is nauseous, maybe even vomiting, did you travel to west africa and there are signs all over this hospital saying that if you've traveled to west africa in the last three weeks, you need to check if you have ebola. so, that kicks their action plan into place. they then transport that person to an isolation room. and it's exactly like what it sounds. you don't have contact with anyone except people who are prepared to deal with the
patient who has ebola. so, what does a worker do before walking into the isolation room to deal with a potential ebola case? they have to cover themselves from head to toe. they wear a mask. they cover their eyes. they wear a gown that is water impermeable so that no fluids can affect that hospital worker. they cover their feet. and they cover their hands and before they do any of that they wash their hands for 15 seconds. once they're in the isolation room they have to mark when they enter. they also mark when they leave. that is the case for anyone who walks into that isolation room. they follow cdc guidelines. if the patient is very sick, they double glove. they double gown. they basically isolate everyone who comes in who is a suspected ebola case. has it happened yet here in california? no. do they expect that it might? possibly. and they say with this case in dallas, this hospital has to be
prepared. >> kyung lah, thank you for that. also our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta will have much more on the ebola situation here in the united states and what is being done about it. "sanjay gupta, m.d." airs less than 30 minutes from now. coming up next here in the "newsroom," an american on the ground in syria actively fighting against isis and he may not be the only one. is he doing anything wrong by being there? the answer ahead. at t-mobile get 4 lines for a hundred bucks.
racine, wisconsin. mattson's friends said he told them last month he was heading to syria and he's now appeared on a kurdish television station. >> i am from wisconsin in the united states. i was previously a soldier in the united states army. i wanted to come join because i got sick of watching so many innocent people be killed as daesh grew and my country doing nothing about it for over a year. i got sick of everyone saying how bad it was but doing nothing about it, so i made up my own mind to come over here to do something about it. >> all right. let's talk about this with our law enforcement analyst tom fuentes, he's also former assistant director of the fbi and retired colonel james reis a cnn global affairs analyst joins us. tom, let me start with you. if it's been confirmed he's travel to syria and is an american citizen from wisconsin,
is he breaking the law? >> hi, poppy. i don't think so. i think we've had cases where americans went to join in some fight overseas. he's not involved in a civil war to overthrow a form government. but we had american pilots go to help the chinese before world war ii, go to help the british in the battle of britain in 1940 before we entered world war ii, so i think there's a history of people going to help in a cause and in this case to try to defend the kurds from invasion by an outside force, isis. >> and to you, colonel reese, jordan matson said he's a u.s. army veteran and he's not an active soldier so you can assume the skills and knowledge that he would have. if you look at the situation and the risk to any westerner over there, what do you make of it? >> well, first i give jordan a lot of credit. it takes a lot of honor. it is takes a lot of guts to go over there and do something like
this but there is some risk. as an american if he gets captured, he falls back into the propaganda aspect of what isis can bring. he brings credibility to the kurds there because of former military training so it's a risky situation for him. i give him a lot of credit. >> what do you think, tom fuentes, in terms of the risk versus reward here? i mean, you heard the frustration in his voice saying i'm doing this because for over a year my government, the u.s. government, didn't take action, you would assume that he was referring to before the air strikes. but at the same time, isn't he in -- isn't he risking his life? >> oh, i think -- i agree. it's a tremendous risk for him, and i think if he gets captured, not that they haven't already tortured people in a horrific manner, but i think isis would make a particular example out of him if they get their hands on him. >> i want to talk to you, sir, about the broader pictures here, right? here you have him on the ground,
and when you look at this, colonel reese, about the u.s. saying no boots on the ground, no american boots on the ground. this is someone with boots on the ground. looking at the overall american strategy fighting isis, do you think that we will need to see boots on the ground? >> i've said from the beginning, poppy, a couple weeks ago when this started we're eventually going to have to put boots on the ground especially over in iraq. right now we're doing a disruption operation in syria. we're trying to take a safe haven away from isis. we may never get u.s. soldiers' boots on the ground in syria but i do believe one day they will be in iraq. having jordan over there right now i don't consider boots on the ground. this is just a brave man. >> right. >> who decided to take up a cause. >> yeah. i think it's important to point out people say how can he do this, but he's risking his life for what he believes in to your point to give him credit to that.
appreciate it to both you, tom funle tess, colonel reese please stick around for a little bit. because i want to talk to you more about the break about the surprise visit that north korea leaders made to south korea with smiles on their faces. what's it all about especially when north korea's leader is m.i.a.
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two major stories we're covering this hour overseas. a rare diplomacy in south korea as three north korean officials make a surprise visit there. in pyongyang says it is willing to hold a new had round of talks in the next few weeks this as the world wonders where is north korean leader. and in hong kong streets they are flooded again by the pro-democracy protesters. at least 20 people have been arrested and the ultimatum that came from the government, clear out by monday or else. joining me now, again, is retired u.s. army lieutenant colonel james reese. he joins us on the phone. let's talk about the situation between north korea and south korea. kim jongme-un hasn't been soon r a month. what do you make of that? >> well, poppy, you know, one thing the north koreans are very good at is the propaganda game. if you keep in mind the asian games have just completed.
they were very successful and the north koreans haven't been in the news lately and i see it as a big propaganda push and there's something going on with the leader i see it as a propaganda push right now. >> if something is going on with north korea's leader why put themselves back in the headlines? >> because they just love being in the headlines. they want to be out there. they want to know what's going on. they want the world to know what's going on. and, again, i think the asian games have a lot to do with it. a lot to do with what's going on in hong kong, you got a little bit of an asian spring going on over there. it's a chance for the north koreans to push back out to the world and let people know we're still out there and important. >> let's show you the unbelievable pictures from the student protesters in hong kong that have been there for eight days straight.
thousands filling the streets. arrests made. many say if neither side is backing down and the government says or else if you don't leave on monday are we in place for a tiananmen square type of violence here? >> i don't think you'll see a tiananmen type apparatus here. the hong kong police department are a very good police department. they've got a lot of skills and they're very disciplined. and i think they'll have a difficult time going as far as that happened in had tiananmen square, but, you know, things are very interesting. i look at it as an asian spring. i think the young students show a lot of courage and bravery for what they're doing to really push hong kong to doing free elections. >> and they say, look, you went back on your word. you said we could have full and free elections. now you are saying beijing has to vet whoever we vote for in the next election in 2015 and they are not having it and they
have not left. colonel james reese, thank you so much. we appreciate it, sir. >> thanks, poppy, have a good day. >> you as well. coming up next the parents of a missing virginia college student are speaking out. their emotional plea after a quick break. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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somebody listening to me today either knows where hannah is or knows someone who has that information. we appeal to you to come forward and tell us where hannah can be found. >> hannah was last seen in charlottesville in that downtown mall area on surveillance footage. her suspected abductor jesse matthew has been linked to another ominous case. police say forensic evidence connects him to another college student morgan harrington who was killed in 2009. joining me now to talk about it is law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. that plea very hard to watch from her parents. could it make any difference? >> poppy, i don't think so, you know, unfortunately she was probably in the hands of a sociopath who could care less what her parents think or anybody else thinks and would have virtually no remorse in committing this act. >> in terms of the search efforts to find her, they have been intense on the ground there, you know, many have applauded the local officials
there, the police chief of the town, drones are being used. this has been three weeks now, though, what else can be done at this point, tom? >> i think the investigation really is going to still hinge around whether matthews was involved and if he was involved in her disappearance and possibly her murder, will he discuss it. will he identify the location of where hannah graham is or where he dropped her off after he drove her that night. i think that, you know, all of the drones and the search parties and everything it's a valiant effort but it's a huge area. and it's a large rural area around it with mountains and forests and ponds and streams and, you know, just -- there's just so many places that, you know, it's really going to be a matter of luck if somebody, a farmer or somebody comes across the body on their property, or if the person who put her there talks about putting her there. >> well, let's hope it's not a
body. let's hope that she is found alive. her parents certainly still holding out hope. tom fuentes, thank you very much. "cnn newsroom" continues at the top of the hour a special edition of "sanjay gupta, m.d.," though, on ebola begins right now. welcome back to "sg md." it has been a historic week with the first case of ebola ever diagnosed now here in the united states. some of what we've seen this past week is frightening. but also it's important to point out this isn't some mysterious, unknown enemy. we have science. we have facts. i'm going to do what i can over the next half hour to make sure the situation is clear. what is real. what is not. so, let's briefly recap. the outbreak of ebola disease in west africa is expanding. there are now more than 6,000 cases there. in some places the conditions are so desperate and that's where this latest chapter began. in this hospital thomas eric duncan the first patient diagnosed wit