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the viewers there are every step of the way. >> it's. >> that's going to do it for me. the next hour begins now from new york. >> the head of the cdc is sounding a note of optimism about the u.s. government's ability to stop ebola in its straks. he says that the ten or so people in this higher risk group
are being monitored constantly. >> we -- eb mpb la only spreads by someone who has direct contact. so the core of control is identifying everyone who might have had contact with them and making sure they're monitored for 21 days. >> in the meantime, later developed ebola is fighting for his life. thomas eric duncan's condition has been downgraded to critical. he of course is being kept in an isolation unit as a precaution.
let's take you live to dallas. they have been watching for any signs of ebola and they couldn't find them. now they have located them. they have their phone numbers but they were not at home when authorities visited them. the idea is to follow. >> it's great that they have been found. it brings up the issue of how do you close enough monitor these people even when they're low risk and whether authorities
have any say. you can't take them into custody, can they? how do you keep an eye on these people so you don't lose them for a matter of hours. >> there are four family members who have been quarantined so these contacts are being told that we're going to visit you. that would certainly be encouragemented to show up when you're supposed to. considering further screening at some major u.s. airports to try to help the spread of ebola.
>> so i'm glad to see that they are thinking about taking more serious steps that might include taking temperatures of people who are returning from ebola effected countries. i expect to hear in the next few days what they're going to do and what ta will do. >> you have been on this story for months. we appreciate it. >> also some news today on the extremist group isis.
air strikes have all but. >> take a look at this. today our sources who are there say isis fighters have entered the city. we're told that the city you have been watching this for the last hour that -- this battle to keep them away hz has been going on for weeks. >> the kurds are vastly outnumbered and outgunned. most have left. so you have got a small force trying to slow down the advance but i think it's a matter of time before isis takes it over.
is turkey doing enough yet? >> we always like to see the turks actually intervene. the turks are going to figure out what level they are going to intervene. i hope we will. the big the turks are far superior. >> they have very, very strong forces. >> thank you. we appreciate it. we will be with you later in the show. also deadline day is arriving for protesters in hong kong. right now it is about 5:00 a.m. monday morning in hong kong and crowds of protesters remain on the streets chl leaders ordered to clear the streets. that is a key business in hong kong. pro democracy have been blocking
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the galveston medical lab. tell me about what you see on the ground. >> cdc was invited to help with a number of control efforts. mostly trying to track what was happening with the epidemic. he used the information to improve control efforts. what do you think they can do that would be most effective. what was needed on the ground. >> most are being as i understand it deployed to liberia where the need is acute. essentially the number of patients far exceeds the number of treatment beds that are
available so there is an emergency or necessity to put more of them in place and probably more importantly to staff them. >> and you were telling me before that you have done this before, you have gone zones like this before where there is so much death that it's hard to believe what the people are suffering through there. a lot of people wonder why there is no vaccine yet. has it not proven because wi have not had an outbreak before? is that the reason? or is there something else? it is not being done as a
biodefense effort. most of the money that is coming is coming from federal agencies for the department of defense. >> pardon me? >> i apologize. carry on. >> so the amount of money on the surface of it quite significant, probably not as large as efforts to do this quite quickly and see it all the way through are necessary. >> do you see that changing? do you see big pharma changing its mind and feeling an op ligation? >> the number of doses of vaccine that would probably be required are not the requirement that would drive large pharma. generally you have to look at the bottom line, long term.
it's very significant. the need for a fax veen appears to be quite acute. >> does that bother you at all looking at it as largely driven by profit? when you think about these lives, is there somewhere in the middle? is there a solution? >> even from a public health perspective, this is always taken as a cost benefit analysis. so that a production of a measles vaccine was the right thing to do.
provision of it is to support the business model. >> thank you for coming on this sunday. thank you, sir. another medical condition has proven more deadly in the united states than ebola. the big reason for worry? it is a common virus that affects millions in this country every single year. we know now at least one child has already died from it. we will be back with that story next. energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america.
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maybe this is not getting as much attention as it should. >> this virus is extremely common. there is between 10 to 15 million people infected by the united states every year. so what makes this year different? more children have been hospitalized. that's why the word is spreading. so is the fear. especially the community where the virus was found present in the body of a little girl who died. >> it. >> my son knew her and said she was a nice and friendly girl. >> 10-year-old emily's life was unexpectedly cut short last week. she was take on the the hospital for shortness of breath and her
health down spiralled so quickly that she died within 24 hours. that's according to the rhode island department of health. her sudden death has her worried about the safety of children. >> i'm just hoping that the school is clean and our kids are safe. >> state health officials say emily died from what they say is a perfect storm. a staph infection coupled with entero virus d-16 which according to the cdc infects 10 to 15 million people every year in the u.s. the cdc emphasizes that it is unclear whether this virus has killed anyone. >> we don't know what role it played or how long it lasted.
what we do know is that it can exacerbate symptoms of things like asthma. >> fear of this virus is spreading quickly. more hospitalizations of children than normal. school districts are taking extra precautions to be sure that students are safe. also thinking about a little girl who is greatly missed. >> the questions are why did it happen to her? she was so sweet. >> the unsettling reality according to the department of health, they will never really know exactly how their sweet
girl died. >> wow. it is hard to believe there are so few answers. significant development in the past few days. the new jersey child who goes to bed with symptoms and the next morning they are dead. >> up until now all of the information that we have received is that these four people, the samples were taken, tested and the virus was present. the medical examine r that's wh it's so important. >> you hear all the typical things. wash your hands.
try not to catch it. but what can parents do? i know kids with asthma are more susceptible to it but what can be done? >> the director of the rhode island public health department, the best tool for you, for parents is to tell their kids to wash hands sometimes you sing happy birthday twice. what's important about children is that what these experts are saying is that this virus causes inflammation of the tubes where these children are breathing. so it closes those tubes. it makes it very difficult for these children to breathe. so what do they say? parents of children with asthma are already very cautious. if they see anything anything
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>> for so many excruciating weeks, crews searching if malaysian airlines flight 370 searched fruitlessly. there is a new plan to map the ocean floor in a remote part of the south indian ocean. that is complete now seven months after the flight disappeared and the search is on again. tom foreman has more. >> all through the thundering waves of winter, the ships have pressed on across the indian
ocean, pulsing out sonar signals and this is what they have to show for it. the most detailed map ever of the seabed in this area. 16,000 square miles covered with crumbling underwater volcanos, winding valleys, plunging canyons and maybe the solution to a mystery. the new map is not fine enough to show wreckage but it is a wealth of information to guide underwater search vessels. >> there makes a great deal of difference. they will be able to hold a tighter path right above the ocean floor knowing what is coming ahead of time so that they can go a little faster and get a lot more done in less time. >> before the search broke off earlier this year, much hope was pinned on the blue fin underwater search robot. it came up empty. australian authorities remain convinced in ark is the right
place to look has given greater certainty and that gives them a better sense of where it ran out of fuel. most likely south of these submerged mountains called broken ridge. >> you have to be very cautious about overpredicting or overcon if i dme -- over-confidence. >> those days of scanning the surface for debris are over. now it is all about looking in some places nearly four miles beneath the waves and once again hoping iffer a break. the search is scheduled to last for about a year. if they find the plane during that time of course it will be a huge step, but a bigamistry still remains what ever caused this plane to go down? tom foreman, cnn, washington.
>> tom, thank you for that report. and you know as searchers focus on where flight 370 may have possibly gone down and how to find it, questions still linger. how did this flight disappear? was it an accident or was it something criminal? martin savage goes back to the beginning retracing the key moments of flight 370 and asking the experts all of the questions we still have. >> could the disappearance of mh-370 been deliberate? to answer that question, investigators zero in on the last two men known to be in control of the plane. seen here passing through security on the night of the flight. first officer was only 27 years old. >> very young to be flying a 777 in the u.s. but had gone through all the gates and had passed and was with a very senior guy. >> there were these 2011 photos
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let's get insights, some answers from our cnn legal commentator mel robins. thanks for joining us. i find a lot of these questions fascinating that people are asking. one topic that's getting a lot of talk, should the united states block travelers from countries with ebola from coming to the united states? look, the cdc has said this isn't going to work. it could actually make things worse. but legally, are there any grounds for that? >> oh, absolutely. in fact, there are many other countries that have already blocked all travelers coming in from liberia. what needs to happen, though, before the federal government would ever do anything like that, is this has got to become a much more widespread problem within the united states, and that, of course, is really unlikely, poppy. >> yeah, i mean, you have one patient with ebola in texas. that is it in the united states right now. some other questions we've gotten, can health officials force you to be quarantined? and if you're unwilling to, can they arrest you? or, you know, for a period of
time? because just today for a few hours, some of those people that they're monitoring for possible ebola in texas, they couldn't find them. >> yeah, that's scary. so what you're talking about, poppy, is that there are two types of isolation and quarantine. one is voluntary and the other is involuntary. and the vast majority of people that have symptoms voluntarily go into isolation, voluntarily will get treatment. but in the case where you have somebody that's been exposed, and they don't want treatment, or they don't want to stay quarantined, there is absolutely state law that says that the government of texas, in this particular case, has the right to not only force you into quarantine for a period of, in this case, 21 days because that's what is pertinent for the ebola virus symptoms to show up, but they can also arrest you. now, they might not want to because they don't want to be exposed to you. but it is a class -- it's a
third-class felony in the state of texas -- >> wow. >> -- not to comply with an order for quarantine. so what you see happening now in dallas is the police, poppy, are you stationed outside of the parent building so that these folks don't leave during the period, but if they do keep leaving, or trying to l inin iiu could see them bring charges. they might not actually move forward with anything until after all of the danger is passed, but they are breaking texas law if they don't abide by this quarantine. >> quickly before we go, mel, one question, can you sue an airline if you were to contract ebola on an airplane? >> well, the short answer, poppy, is yes. you can kind of sue anybody for anything. the question, though, i think is, could you be successful? and if an airline knows that a passenger has originated from liberia, and they're sweating profusely and vomiting before
they let them on, i think the airline would be negligent. so if you can prove that the airline was negligent in letting a passenger on a plane when they knew or should have known that this person had active symptoms and was contagious, absolutely you'd have a case. >> we just heard in the last few hours that the obama administration, cdc, may come out with further more advanced screening at some major u.s. airports. so obviously they're taking this increasingly seriously by the day. but, again, only one case here in the united states and that is a good thing. we appreciate it. thanks, mel. all right. what would you do if you walked into an airport and saw this? see that guy? that's a doctor wearing a hazmat suit. this week, in atlanta, trying to point to the cdc and their response to ebola. he thinks they are not doing enough. i'll speak with him live after the break create things that help people.
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a doctor in a hazmat suit strolled through the world's busiest airport to make a point about ebola. dr. gil mobley cleared atlanta's airport thursday while wearing protective goggles, a mask, a full suit. the jumpsuit, you can see, it was pretty hard to miss. he had the words written on the back, cdc is lying. >> yesterday i came through international customs in the atlanta airport.
the only question they asked arriving passengers is if they had tobacco or alcohol. that's dereliction of duty. the cdc is asleep at the wheel. >> it is important to know dr. mobley is not an ebola specialist. he's an emergency trauma physician from springfield, missouri. he joins me now from there. thank you for being with us, sir, we appreciate it. >> i thank you for allowing me to get the message out, poppy. >> what did you want to hear from customs and airport security when you returned from guatemala into the united states? >> it would have been niced to have been asked had i been exposed to anyone sick, had i been sick, myself. had i had a fever. you know, and where i've been. all they asked, like said, do i have tobacco or alcohol? and -- >> but -- >> the same day in "usa today" it said we're screening at airports. >> well, to be fair here, sir, you were coming from guatemala, a country where they haven't had one single case. i do want to play for you a doctor from atlanta who
criticized what you did at the airport this week. he called it theatrics. listen. >> i question his tactics, and i think he's assaulting his own credibility. we do have the duty domestically to protect the american people, and i think that some of our investment should go into the rather straightforward act of assisting with airport screening. >> so what's your reaction to that? can you understand where he's coming from? >> he needs to understand that once this virus gets in every third world country they're not going to have plane loads of people responding to dallas county. one person overwhelmed dallas county and the cdc is still flying people in. that's not going to happen when it goes into guatemala city or mexico or anywhere like that. >> why do you think it's -- >> every third world country is going to fall because their health care infrastructure is in shambled. the sanitation is deplorable. and the distrust of the government. when that happens, we will be importing ebola cases on an hourly basis. i don't care how advanced the system is. i don't care how good the doctors is. >> sir, let me jump in here.
>> we'll be overwhelmed. >> let me jump in here. west africa has been dealing with this epidemic for months and months now. since march i believe. it has not spread into other third world countries outside of west africa. we have one case here in the united states. you're saying that it's going to go to all these places. some people look at what you did, sir, and they say, is this kind of like yelling fire in a theater? is it scaring people unnecessarily? >> people need to be scared. connect the dots. once this happens, we're going to imiporting it at a regular basis. look what it took from one person. when every third world country goes down, we're going to go down, too. we have a very large third world country to our south. the doors are wide open. soon we'll be worse than a third world country if me don't control this. the cdc needs to understand
there are 10,000 people leaving west africa a day with people in quarantine. duncan isn't the only person bringing this around the world. it's happening and we're not picking it up. >> dr. mobley, let me ask you this, dr. mobley. we reached out to the cdc to see if they had reaction to your comments and the job they're doing. they didn't have a specific response to what you said. they did, though, encourage anyone with concerns, anyone with questions to call them. call 1-800-cdcinfo. my question, have you called the cdc to talk to them, ask them for a meeting, sit down with them? >> i have spoken with cdc officials in jackson hole, wyoming, actually, a couple of months ago, and we understand this is the worst-case scenario. as emergency trauma doctor, i expect the worst until proven otherwise. you know what, the cdc is reactionary. what do we do with all this waste outside emory? what do we do with mr. duncan's mattress? let's think about. we need to be proactive instead of reactive. policies and protocols need to
be in place and they've been derelict in the duty until i made an airport stink a couple days ago. this is going to consume the third world country and overwhelm us. america, mankind is in peril. that is my message. i appreciate you helping me get it -- >> wow. thank you for joining us. let's hope that is not the case. again, this has not spread besides one person that we know of in the united states and it's not another third world country outside of west africa at this point. let's hope that doesn't happen. >> yes. >> we appreciate you, sir, and appreciate you coming on the program to talk to us. thank you. >> my pleasure. thank you for helping me get the message out. is the cdc ready if more ebola infected people do arrive in the united states? we were just talking to dr. mobley about that. a situation at newark airport may have given us a bit of an idea, but you might not find it very comforting. we're going to talk about what exactly happened at newark yesterday. that's next.
all right. i want to bring in cnn national security analyst who was listening to the guest we had on the program just before the break. thank you for being here, julia. we appreciate it. >> thanks, poppy. >> so we just had a guest on, dr. mobley, who wore this hazmat suit in the atlanta airport this week and he thinks the cdc, he said is lying, that they're not doing enough to protect us. he said every third world country is going to have an ebola epidemic. obviously, you know, i pushed back. it seemed like you really don't want to scare people at this point in time too much. what was your reaction to that? >> well, i think it's a bit much to say that the world is going to, you know, hell in a band basket at this stage. look, we have a problem. we have an epidemic in western african countries. the good news is, in fact, in nigeria they've been able to actually isolate the ebola and protect them as a sort of population at that stage. we have one case in the united
states. it was not ideal how texas dealt with it firsthand, in particular the hospital by setting him back. we have learned from it. we've got to learn in realtime and this is serious, but let'ss terrify everyone. there are rational things we need to do and let's do them. >> let's talk about what happened at newark yesterday. while we were on the air, there was a plane that was quarantined. a man was vomiting. he did originate in liberia, traveled through brussels like duncan, the ebola patient in the u.s. did. eventually the passengers were given the all clear to leave. they were held in a nfew hours with their baggage, told first they could leave then couldn't leave. one passenger told us it didn't seem like the officials had a handle on it. does that worry you? >> right. it does. the first instance of all of these potential scenarios are going to look complicated and probably not very professional, but i am much happier with false positives at this stage. in other words, if there is a
suspicion that someone has ebola, it might have infected people, let's go a little built heavy on the precautions and the testing at this stage. not because it's a public health threat, but we're in the stage of public hysteria as we were just talking. we need to make sure that people act rationally about risk, otherwise you're going to get a lot of what's called the worry well, showing up at hospitals, taking their kids out of school for reasons that are not rational at this stage. >> we just heard this afternoon that the obama administration, the cdc together may, may implement tougher testing at airports, big airports in the united states. not every airport yet. is that the right call? >> it absolutely is. for a week now, i didn't quite understand why we aren't doing sort of greater surveillance, interrogation, and investigations at the airport. we have to assume that countries or that individuals may lie or they may not know if they have been, you know, contaminated. so we have to assume the
information we're getting from abroad is not accurate. i think one of the reason why we're not putting on tougher airline sort of prohibitions at this stage, it seems probably a little bit too much too soon. but also it's going to have impacts in liberia where our troops are. >> all right. julia, appreciate you joining us this evening. thank you. >> thank you. and thank you all for being here. i'm poppy harlow in new york. the next hour of "newsroom" starts right now. good evening, everyone. you're in the "cnn newsroom." i'm poppy harlow joining yous from new york. this hour we're fast forwarding to the week ahead and it is a big one. we'll take a look at all stories you'll be talking about and hearing about this coming week. let's begin with our five questions for the week ahead. first off, ebola in the united states. is this a real threat or not? director of the cdc says he's confident there is little risk of an ebola outbreak in dallas. dr. tom fredon says while ten people are considered to be at a higher risk of developing the disease there,