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now, the militants, they're in the home stretch. they're pushing into the southwest of the predominantly kurdish city after this three week assault that has cost some 400 lives. and all the way across iraq and syria, isis is gaining ground. questions are being raised about the effectiveness of this current u.s. air coalition air strike campaign. there were 13 total overnight. and in northern iraq, at least they do seem to be working. there is a hospital near mosul receiving the bodies of some 29 suspected isis militants, most killed overnight in those u.s. led air strikes. cnn's phil black is joining me now. and a grim warning from a kurdish intelligence official from what you're hearing on the ground. is it likely kobani could fall before daybreaks? >> reporter: brooke, the fighters are saying that to us. they believe they can hold on a while yet. it could be a mix of both. but they think they've got the numbers and the local knowledge
on the ground in the city. to draw out and hold this territory for a bit longer. they think it's an opportunity to inflict heavy casualties on isis, draw them into some street to street fighting. but from what we're hearing, there are heavy casualties on both sides. it would appear to be only a matter of time. it is just now a question of how long. the momentum is clearly heading in one direction. and that is that will inevitably fall, brooke. >> as we're watching very closely, the status. we have some video and it shows the tear gas. these massive plumes, these tear gas plumes used by turkish security forces on kurdish protesters near the city. and then you have in the capital kurdish protesters set fire to a bus and a garbage truck and also, phil, just sharing with our viewers, these new pictures of protests in london's heathrow airport. look at them riding the
escalator protesting. what do these people want? >> generally among the kurdish community, brooke, there's a feeling of distrust toward the turkish government. it's because of a long running disagreement over the kurds wanting to establish their own autonomous homeland on what is part of turkey as well as syria and iraq. basically, what they want is for turkey to do more, offer more practical assistance to their fellow kurds who are now fighting down to the last man. some of them want to cross over the border to join the fight. the turks aren't letting them do that. what they would like to see is more practical assistance. some want turkey to get into the fight. others want more aid, perhaps weapons, some sort of assistance that would help them resist isis. >> all right. phil black in turkey for us, thank you so much. as the calls and pleas for turkey's involvement rise, the terror threat in the uk today hitting home. you have four men in their early 20s being held in london right
now on suspicion of plotting a terror attack. we have more of those details of their plans coming into us here at cnn and we'll pass them along as we get them. but here in the united states, we are also learning today, we're learning more details about the illinois teen arrested at chicago's o'hare airport before boarding a plane to allegedly join the ranks of isis. so with me now, cnn terrorism analyst, and here's the thing i really just wanted to begin with you. we've talked about this before, but again, this exemplifies the youth, the age, the arrests in the uk. 20-year-olds, 21-year-olds, this 19-year-old in chicago. so young. >> and they're so young and so impressionable. >> that's what it is. >> and all these people have one common denominator and think it's their religious obligation to go and fight jihad. to go and join isis in syria and iraq. and it seems to be the case with this chicago teen, as well, brooke. >> it's one thing, though. we've talked about this in other
instances. we've had this conversation when it comes to school shooters and now we're talking about joining the isis fight where you have these young people and whether it's chat rooms or on the internet speaking with others, galvanizing this effort. but it's another to actually save up the money, actually think they're going to get on this plane to ultimately land in syria, to fight with the bad guys. what separates those who think about it versus those who try to do it? >> well, it's very, very difficult for authorities to tell who is going to dream about doing it, think about doing it and the people that actually take the concrete steps to actually go forward and get a ticket, a $4,000 ticket to get to turkey so they can. so the fbi are monitoring all of these social media websites. they have undercover informants actually on these radical websites communicating with these potential wannabes, trying to figure out if they're dangerous. if they think they are, they can trigger investigations. >> the u.s. administration, one
member speaking with us. i want to play a little sound. speaking of these chat rooms and these places where these young people can go. he says at least he feels the u.s. is winning in that counteraction against some of this. take a listen. >> i think we are stopping them, and i think very few americans are -- well, we have evidence that there are young people who are not joining because we have somehow interceded that they're reading messages, hearing messages, not just from us, but from the hundreds of islamic clerics who say this is a perversion of islam. >> so, you know, he's saying at least thank goodness for these faith leaders trying to counter this extreme propaganda that these jihadists are trying to, you know, tell. >> and that's very important, you know, coming from the muslim community. the criticism of isis, clerics speaking out against the group in london groups.
isis cannot act in my name. all of that is important. but i don't think the united states government and other western governments are yet winning the struggle. we see more young men and some young women who want to fight with this group in syria and iraq. >> this is your wheel house. you've been studying this for years and years. what is your biggest take away with the biggest developments here with the uk, with the teenager in chicago. >> well, in the uk, it's a possible terrorist plot that they've just thwarted. they believe they're in the early stages of planning. the threat is much greater in the uk. about 500 uk nationals have traveled to syria. about 250 have come back. it's very, very difficult to monitor them. the uk authorities are very, very concerned that some sort of terrorist attack could get through. just last friday, we saw a british isis fighter release a video calling for lone wolf attacks in the uk. for people to stay in the uk, don't come to syria and iraq, launch attacks there.
and so a lot of concern in uk and, indeed, all over europe. back in may, we saw an actual terrorist attack for an isis fighter in brussels who killed four people and a jewish museum in brussels. concern that could happen again. >> fears of the lone wolf attack here, federal, state and local officials definitely on guard. paul, thank you so much. now this. >> open the door. >> why do you say somebody's not going to hurt you, people are getting shot by the police. >> this is incredible. this video will take your breath away. there's this police officer you just saw smashed this window of this couple's car, ends up tasing the passenger here with his family in the car. what led up to this? we'll discuss that. plus, how did a nurse in spain get ebola? was there some sort of breach in protocol as she was treating this missionary? we'll talk to our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta and get his take on that one. and jennifer lawrence
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didn't. and when that happened, watch for yourself. >> if you're going to get me a ticket for no seat belt, then just give me a ticket so i can go to the hospital because the doctor called me to tell me to come in because my mom is about to pass away. i guess he's looking for his -- for his information in his book bag. when he digs for his book bag, they pulled a gun out. what was the purpose of the gun? and now they're asking me to open my door so i can get out. i'm scared -- if you can pull out a gun in front of two kids in the backseat. >> you understand? >> yes. >> all right. >> no, don't mess -- now they're about -- >> i'm not the operator of this vehicle, if you do -- i'm not the operation of this vehicle. >> are you going to open the door? >> people are getting shot by the police.
>> ahhh! oh. >> on the ground. >> that was crazy. that is horrible. this is horrible. >> this is -- are you recording this? >> yeah. >> this is terrible. >> i know you hear that child crying in the backseat. we have to talk about what happened here. what went right, what potentially went wrong. susan candiotti is joining me. mike brooks and also joey jackson. so welcome to all of you. a lot to get through. but first, just the facts. susan candiotti, let me begin with you. four people in the car. tell me who is in the car. you hear the woman, who we can't see on the phone with 911, give me more of the back story. >> this happened on september 24th, hammond, indiana, which is near chicago. four people in cars, you said. the mother, 7-year-old daughter,
14-year-old son, the son is the one who was rolling the video from the backseat. and in the passenger side is a male adult. it all started because of a seat belt. they weren't wearing their seat belts. and in the end, by the way, all that happened at the tail end of all of this is that the woman who was driving got ticketed for not wearing a seat belt and some other thing involving a license plate, minor. and he gets cited for not wearing a seat belt and additionally, i think it was failure to aid an officer because they wanted him to get out of the car. and resisting law enforcement. and that's how, in the end, all of this wound up. >> but along with how it ended, smashing the window, did they really have to -- >> tasing him? >> could it have been handled a different way? >> could it have been handled a different way, mike brooks? we'll get to the statement in a second. but listen, you've been in law enforcement forever. could this have been handled in a different way?
i understand, you know, the law is the law. you need to buckle up, but the smashing of the window, the tasing of this gentleman. >> well, in indiana, if you're asked for identification, you're supposed to give it to law enforcement. with that said, could have been handled better? i think it could have. but, apparently, this whole incident went on for a little over 13 minutes. and you heard, we saw the end there. you heard mr. jamal jones, he was asking for a white shirt, which is a supervisor. there is one of the officers there was at least a corporal or a sergeant, but the other one there who had the bar that smashed the window out was actually a lieutenant. and you heard him say, are you going to open the door? because apparently he kept refusing to open the door. and he said if you don't open the door, we'll open it for you. so he had a chance to open the door, but should it have been done that particular way? that's the question. >> okay. and joey jackson, you know, a lot of times when we talk about these routine traffic stops, a lot of times the law is on the
side of the officers. as susan pointed out, they weren't buckled up at the end of the day. they were cited for that violation among other smaller items. there are lots of thoughts running through my head and the heads of others, as well. what's your read on this? >> brooke, this is very disappointing. i respect and understand that the police have a difficult job. we get that. but when you're doing law enforcement, you have to do it with common sense and good judgment. indiana law says you have to produce identification. mike brooks spoke to the issue of the passenger saying get me a white shirt. that's a supervisor. clearly he's asking for that because there's some level of mistrust. and based upon that level of mistrust, he doesn't want to get out. he doesn't want to expose his family to the police for fear of what may happen. the breaking of a door when there's no threat being posed, excuse me, the breaking of a window, there's no threat being posed, tasering of someone who is not belligerent towards you, not fighting you, and the police, brooke, apparently issued a statement indicating
they feared for their safety based upon him potentially grabbing a weapon. where is that in this particular video? i don't see it. i think it's excessive. i think the lawsuit speaks to the excessive nature of the conduct and the movement. and i think the police in this particular instance, again, i think there's a major overreaction and the answer to the question of could it have been handled differently is a resounding, yes, it could have, and it should have. >> well, you know, also when you heard her on the phone with 911, she was telling them that apparently mr. jones at one point during that 13 minute stop had gone into a bag and apparently drew their weapon on them. so, you put it away and they were trying to get him out of that car to probably look into that bag to see whether or not there was a weapon. the question is, were the steps they took reasonable for their own personal safety? >> and the answer, i think, is no. because whatever bag he may have had 20 minutes, 15 minutes, 10 minutes before, he didn't have
then. so to break the window, shards of glass falling on a 7 and 14-year-old, tasering him when he's not fighting the police in any way. i think there should be better judgment, better training and certainly, you know, better decisionmaking on the part of law enforcement who we respect and who we expect to keep us safe and to protect us not to harm us nor our family. >> loud and clear. hang on a second, gentlemen. i want to make sure we hear from police just on their side of the story. susan candiotti, you have a statement from the police department. what are they saying? >> reads in part the police officers who make legal traffic stops are allowed to ask passengers inside of a stopped vehicle for identification and to request that they exit a stopped vehicle for the officer safety without a requirement of reasonable suspicion. but this -- this family is now saying or the woman who filed the lawsuit on behalf of all of the people in the car are suing federally for violation of their civil rights saying excessive force was used here. you didn't have to do that.
you falsely arrested us, false imprisonment and the rest. so now, they're asking for a jury trial and we'll see how it plays out. >> there have been a lot of these excessive force stories we've been talking a heck of a lot about. we'll follow it through, for sure. joey and mike and susan, thank you so much. really appreciate it. coming up next on cnn here, this heartbreaking but such a significant story here. this newlywed. she is dying of brain cancer and she decides she wants to die. >> i will die upstairs in my bedroom that i share with my husband with my mother and my husband by my side and pass peacefully with music i like in the background. >> this is a story you absolutely have to stick around to hear. this is brittany's story. we'll explain. actually, she'll explain how she came to this decision and why legally she says everyone should be allowed to choose. stay here. so guys -- it's just you and your honey.
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brittany, she chose to get married, chose to take trips all around the world. and after being diagnosed with terminal brain cancer at the age of 29, brittany chooses to die. just after she was married last year, brittany began experiencing these debilitating headaches. doctors eventually telling her she had six painful months left. so brittany took her life and is taking her death in her own hands. she and her family moved to
oregon, one of only five u.s. states allowing her to use this prescription drug that will kill her. here's part of her story. >> so after getting married is when i first started experiencing the headaches. and they were quite severe. and i didn't understand them because i had never had anything like that before in my life. right when i was diagnosed, my husband and i were actively trying for a family, which is heartbreaking for us both. and then i was diagnosed this past new year's. we went away to the wine country for a new year's eve celebration. the following day i was diagnosed with cancer and told i was terminally ill. told anywhere from three, maybe five, up to ten years to live. i have to tell you when you're 29 years old, being told you have that kind of time line still feels like you're being told you're going to die tomorrow. 70 days post op i went in for
another mri and was told i had a change. they were saying it looks like grade 4, which is the worst and most aggressive form of brain cancer. that was a major shock to my system and system of my family, because i went from having potentially years of time to being told i had like six months. i know it's there when i need it. i plan to be surrounded by my immediate family, which is my husband and my mother and my stepfather and my best friend who is also a physician. probably not much more people. and i will die upstairs in my bedroom that i share with my husband, my mother and my husband by my side. and pass peacefully with some music i like in the background. i can't even tell you the amount of relief to provide me to know
that i don't have to die the way it's been described to me that my brain tumor would take me on its own. i hope to enjoy however many days i have left on this beautiful earth and spend as much of it outside as i can surrounded by those i love. i hope to pass in peace. the reason to consider life and what's of value is to make sure you're not missing out. seize the day, what's important to you, what do you care about what matters? pursue that, forget the rest. >> kenneth goodman, founder and director of the university of miami and codirector of the university's ethics program. welcome to you. i mean, just reading and watching her entire video, it's pretty stunning. it's emotional and it's something that we all one day can relate to. but in some cases all too soon.
so i have a lot for you, including this death with dignity. the laws, kenneth. but first, before we take a quick break. watching this video and seeing brittany show everyone this pill she walks around with in her wallet. to me, that says the choice is in her own hands any time she wants. >> it does. and it shows how people sometimes find meaning in their lives by planning for their demise. it's a terrible -- and this woman has chosen to take this course in a state that does permit it. people find meaning for their life in lots of different ways. and what you want to do is make this video and other ways of advocating for this being more easy for other people. >> we'll talk about how she is advocating how it can become a slippery slope, how this works, what if other family members don't agree. all of that coming up on the other side of the break. stay with me. you got a little something on the back of your shoe there.
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welcome back. you're watching cnn. we're talking about this young woman's story. she was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer at just 29 years of age. she was told by doctors she has nearly six months to live. she is deciding for herself when she will die. she and her family move from california to oregon where this is perfectly legal. she is planning on ending her life with a prescription pill on the 1st of november. she has a date. but what about her family here? take a listen.
>> my parents spent a couple of months, just looking for a miracle. >> i hoped for everything. first, i hoped they had the wrong x-rays, the wrong set of scans, it was all a bit clerical mishap. your brain will do really strange things to you when you don't want to believe something. you will come up with fairy tales. >> -- for people who are in the predicament of facing a lot of suffering that they can decide when enough is enough. >> my hope now is that my daughter can live her life the way she wants to, that she can make the decisions she wants to be who she is, which is this very autonomous, bright well read, well traveled person who loves adventure.
she kind of got me into this thing where we've agreed to meet. and so i'm going to go on a traveling adventure. and this place i'm kind of scared to go to. a lot of climbing, but she said she'd meet me there. and so i'll go. >> she's going to go meet her daughter as her daughter has not much time left. founder and director of the university of miami's code and ethics programs. first of many questions i have for you here is, obviously, the mother. i don't know how long it took. to get the mother and stepfather on board with this plane, to take this fatal pill the first of november. but i have to imagine you've
seen or heard of other instances where other, you know, close loved ones disagree with the plan. >> indeed, they do. these decisions are among the most exquisitely difficult in the history of civilization. one of them is that life is precious, so is liberty. and when a family member is nearing death, it could be very difficult to sort out what the right thing to do is. having the family on board, and having communication about that is true for all families, not just ones such as this. >> someone just tweeting me a moment ago, sounds like he has the same type of brain cancer. i realize every case is different. but he said he was diagnosed in november of 2012. and here he is one year later. i think we should back up. just to explain to everyone, kenneth, five states in the u.s., oregon being the first to enact this death with dignity act. can you explain to us how -- what exactly this allows?
>> so one of the things we realized. we've realized this for some years is medical technology has gotten better and better and can sometimes keep people alive even when we can't do such a good job with other sorts of things, for example, managing suffering. although that's changed a lot. an important point to make. what they decided in oregon is this. if you're facing death with a high degree of certainty and it's going to be a painful and prolonged death, then it's reasonable to provide a means for having assistance in dying. it's worth mentioning in oregon, more people have been given permission to use the services than have actually used them. it's important, a lot of people say, i didn't do it. but i was really glad it was there. and with adequate controls and constraints, oregon remains an interesting experiment along with the other states. >> so here she is, though. what else is struggling in the video, you see her with the pill in her wallet, cuts to the picture of her bedroom where she's planning on passing down to the music she'll be playing
in the background, down to which loved one she wants by her side. is that -- i can't imagine any of this is typical, period, but is this more or less how this is done? >> now -- one reasonable response to that is this is a little tmi. we may support one's right to seek assistance in dying, but in fact, like many other medical facts, treatments and human responses to those, it's probably best to keep them private. >> what about the notion that this is a slippery slope? there's a whole debate that the "new york times" is providing, just quickly here on how some people have undiagnosed depression and how they want these pills for the wrong reasons. the doctor doesn't know enough about the patient's condition, maybe the patient doesn't need one of these pills, but in oregon, for example, it's perfectly legal. your response. >> so one of the things they did in oregon, initially and other states have tried to emulate is put in place safeguards to prevent exactly such slipperiness on that slope.
in other words, you have to show some durability of desire. they screen against depression. this is not a fly by night organization. this is a response after hundreds of years of trying to come to terms with technology to figure out when if ever it's permissible to do this. it's good to have misgivings, good to not throw the gates wide open, which is why i regard and others, i think, regard oregon as a bit of an experiment. we'll draw conclusions there after. >> we will follow brittany's story. i'd love to talk to her about this choice. thank you very much. we'd love to hear from you. if you had the choice, would you take it. let's move along. we've got breaking news for you in the war against isis. we are getting word the fbi is asking the public for information to help identify this man, a jihadi, could be american, seen in an isis execution video. the backstory next.
the fbi asking for your help in identifying a jihadi with quote unquote a north american accent. let's go straight to washington to our justice correspondent pamela brown working this one for us. pamela, tell me what you know. >> well, brooke, the fbi is asking for the public's help identifying a jihadi with north american accent who was seen in this isis propaganda video last month. he was seen lording over syrian soldiers before the jihadi and other isis appeared to shoot them all dead. and the fbi ever since this video was released a few weeks ago. they've been pouring over it trying to figure out the identity of this man we've seen here. this masked men wearing military fatigue. they've been using voice analysis because he appears to be proficient in the english language. and, of course, that might lead
you to believe that he could be an american. and that's initially what intelligence officials thought that he's possibly from america or canada. so as well as a voice analysis they've been using facial recognitions. as we see in this video, he has some very distinct features with eyes and eyebrows. they've been using that, picking apart meta data in the video and trying to figure out his identity. and so far, coming up empty. so now they're appealing to the public asking for help to see if anyone might recognize this masked man. and we know, brooke, that the fbi director james comey talked about americans fighting in syria. but it appears this person isn't on their radar as far as that goes. and as comey said, i don't know what i don't know. and a big concern is, of course, there are other americans over in syria fighting that we simply don't know about, brooke. >> pamela brown, stay on it for us, thank you so much for us in washington. coming up next is a search
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jennifer lawrence. jennifer lawrence says what happened to her wasn't simply a scandal, but a sex crime. for the first time now, the oscar winner is revealing her thoughts. after a hacker stole her nude photos, posted them online for everyone to see. lawrence spoke to "vanity fair" and the new issue. that full interview with the
magazine released tomorrow. here's the cover photo. but in a preview, she told "vanity fair" she tried to make an official statement in response but, quote, every single thing i tried to write made me cry or get angry. i started to write an apology, but i don't have anything to say i'm sorry for. i was in a loving, healthy, great relationship for four years. it was long distance, and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn, or he's going to look at you. let's discuss with me onset, vanity fair's senior west coast editor and cnn entertainment commentator. ladies, thank you so much for being with me. we had to talk about it. first to you. so your magazine, you guys had initially spoken with her. then this story broke and you looped back for her to make sure she got the last word. >> exactly. sam kashner did a great job. the piece is actually very, very good. and this scandal happened after we'd already done the photo
shoots. the interview had been filed. and we went back to her because, indeed, she deserves the last word. and i love what she says here, brooke. because it's why we as a whole, i think people respond to jennifer lawrence is because she doesn't have a filter. she says what's on her mind. and in this day in age, it's so rare, especially for someone with that kind of fame and only 24 years old to speak so intelligently about a subject. but she's absolutely right. >> i can't wait to read the whole piece. the tease that you guys released on the online version was absolutely fascinating. let me come back to you. the issue, amanda, that i think i took with this or kind of, i guess, agreeing with her. she's like, listen, i don't need to apologize. gabrielle union, same thing happened to her, she's not apologizing, but you have someone like vanessa hudgens who wanted to apologize to her younger fans. do you think they should be
apologizing? >> absolutely not. i think jennifer lawrence put it perfectly. it's your private business, it's your phone. it's your relationship, it's your sex life. in my mind, hacking someone's nude pictures is no different than putting a camera in their bedroom. >> and here's the but, and let me ask this to you. and if we can throw the cover photo of her. it's stunning, she's absolutely gorgeous. but on the cover of "vanity fair," drop it and you can see. she's at least from our vantage not quite dressed where we see her. so, i guess, the push, christa, would be, i guess it's one thing to have her own personal pictures, it's another to say to a photographer shooting her for the cover of "vanity fair," i'm okay with this. do you see how this may be confusing for some fans? >> no, actually, i don't, brooke. i think it's apples and oranges. we are -- she's involved in helping to create this photo
shoot. it's a collaboration. we're telling the story with these pictures. and it's her choice. and like she said, she was in a relationship, these are private photos. for her boyfriend. only to see. and this attitude that women who are in the public person or they're actresses or they have some bit of fame that this kind of comes with the territory, i think is heinous. and i do think it's a sex crime. a lot of these women that were hacked weren't even as famous as jennifer lawrence. >> you know, the thing that really struck me when reading this article and this would be really to either of you is just -- we see these people on these big massive screens and the flashing lights. but she's a daughter. and she had to pick up the phone and call her dad and say, i need to give you the heads up on this thing that's about to happen. >> yeah. i mean, that is one thing that people do forget is that, you
know, actors, people in the public, they are human beings. they have the same feelings. they were humiliated like we're humiliated. and, yeah, she had to call her father. >> who she said thank goodness he was on the golf range and in a good mood is i think the way it went. do you agree with the notion this is a sex crime? her words. >> no, and i think it should be treated like a sex crime. if there's one silver lining in the story, it's we're beginning to talk about the stealing of photos and releasing them without people's permission as a criminal behavior, as a violation of privacy. and it's sad we need celebrities to have that conversation. >> it is sad, by the way. >> it happens to ordinary women all the time and almost nobody's helping them, and maybe this will help get some momentum behind the legal and civil penalties from stealing photos from people. >> we'll see where this goes in the legal system. if there's prosecution that could happen and ramifications and consequences for this. thank you very much. we'll look forward to the vanity fair, the big read on jennifer lawrence for this next month.
thank you, both, very much. and top of the hour here, you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. breaking news from the fbi. investigators are now asking for your help in identifying this masked man in an isis propaganda video. here he is, he is standing behind a row of kneeling syrian soldiers. but it's what he does before shooting them. this has the u.s. authorities so entirely worried. he speaks english, perfect english with what sounds like an american accent. take a listen. >> we are the harshest -- and the flames of war are only beginning to intensify. >> joining me now, our senior washington correspondent joe johns. joe, tell me what you know. what's the fbi saying about this guy?