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a quick look at the big board. the dow is down 270 points here. experts say investors in the u.s. disappointing by manufacturing data from germany. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. ebola making another alarming jump and not even a haz-mat suit helped. this is "the lead." the world lead. she only had contact with her patient two times. we're learning much more now about how a nurse assistant has become the first person to catch ebola in the west. the national lead. an isis terrorist bragging about executing syrian soldiers who are digging their own graves. and the bragging is being done in perfect north american english. >> here with the soldiers of assad, you can see them digging their own graves.
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>> the fbi issuing an alert asking, do you know who this is? and the money lead. she says it's a sex crime. jennifer lawrence speaking out about the hackers who gave creeps a new holy day by posting her neighborhood pictures online. should google have to pay for it? good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we're going to begin with the world lead and another scary first in this worldwide battle against ebola. spanish authorities are monitoring three more potential cases of ebola in spain, a day after a nurse's assistant became the first person to contract the deadly virus outside africa during this epidemic. authorities say the nurse's assistant helped treat two ebola-stricten priests after they returned to spain. both patients died. in fact, other doctors and nurses say the priests were almost dead upon arrival back in
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the country which is, in itself, raising questions about why the priests were moved in the first place. spanish authorities have announced that they will put down the infected woman's dog because some research shows there's a risk that dogs will transmit the virus to humans. from madrid, what is the latest on the patient's condition? >> reporter: jake, what we know is that she's doing okay given the severity, obviously, of ebola. she's on an iv drip with antibodies with other ebola survivals. she's receiving an anti viral drug being recommended by the world health organization. but today, jake, it hasn't been so much about the nurse. it has, in fact, been about the protests here on the street, perhaps the fact that this hospital behind me wasn't ready to receive or to deal with ebola
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in the first place. we have seen protesters yesterday and today. we expect to see protesters tomorrow. trade unions have come out today telling cnn that they didn't have the capacity to deal with this and basically told cnn that the equipment that they had really wasn't up to scratch, it wasn't up to the standard of the world health organization, saying that they didn't have clothing or level 4 biological security which that means it wasn't fully waterprovofed and they didn't have a proper breathing apparatus. this came out in a newspaper here where health workers are saying, instead of having a level 4 training equipment, they have a level 2. so very, very poor substandard and, in fact, they had latex gloves and they were bound with adhesive tape. so all of this really puts into
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perspective why we've seen three more suspected cases of ebola they are trying to figure out here. this hospital wasn't, in fact, ready and nurses telling cnn today, jake, that back in july they signed a letter and took it to court basically saying, if anyone comes to spain, if anyone is brought from west africa, we will not have the means to deal with this. so the warning signs were there, jake. >> alarming news. isa scoares, thank you. joining me now is a senior fellow at the institute for humanitarian afford. doctor, thank you for joining us. health officials in madrid say that this nurse's assistant only entered the infected priest's room two times, once to treat him and once after he died. she says she was wearing a
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protective suit so how could she have contracted the disease? >> well, it's very concerning and it does seem like there's been a failure here. there's either been a failure in taking the gear off or putting it on, which it sounds like what has happened. to the best of our knowledge, this virus only transmits its self with bodily fluids coming in contact with an open cut. i don't mean to say that it's become airborne or anything leak this, but what it should do is make anyone running a hospital sit up and say, it's not good enough to have some protective gear. the staff has to be practiced, drilled, well-trained, and everyone needs to know what they are doing. this is about contingency planning. >> there does seem to be a disconnect. everything we know, as far as we
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know, you can only contract it from fluids. there seems to be a disconnect with stories leike this, doctor and nurses. why do you think -- i mean, obviously they are on the front lines but one would also think that they know how to not get it. why do you think this is happening? >> it's really an interesting question and probably the most interesting question that we need to address. it's important to say, if you're at home in america, you shouldn't worry about getting ebola. doctors and nurses will be wearing protective gear. on the other hand, they are exposed to bodily fluids. blood, vomit, diarrhea. these things are in much more abundance if you're carrying for someone with ebola, someone who is in late-stage ebola and they died from it. their symptoms would have been dramatic. the other issue is that we don't deal with patients this sick every day. it's nerve-racking to deal with them and the protocols to keep
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you safe are quite difficult to follow. my brother is on the ebola response team for london and they drill, they practice, they rehearse all the time. i don't get any sense that that's what was happening here. yes, doctors and nurses can get it but they are exposed in a very different way than you would be on the subway. and if you think the guy who discovered ebola said he would confidently sit next to somebody on a subway that had ebola. it's a difficult disease to catch unless someone is very ill and shedding large amounts of the virus in body fluids. >> we learned that a norwegian has contracted ebola. is it getting difficult for these aid organizations to get staffers, volunteers, doctors, nurses to go to west africa? >> absolutely. there are a lot of people -- if you do this kind of work -- doi this kind of work and lots and lots of my friends do. the resistance you get is not
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just personal fear but my mother wouldn't want me to go, my family wouldn't want me to go, so on and so on. you have a big resistance to people leaving. we've seen that with the nbc cameraman. poor old dad says, we don't want him to go and he's crazy and we know he's going to go back. if you think why are health care workers contracting the virus in west africa, it's because they are working 20-hour shifts. it's because inside their suits it's 115 degrees. i speak to colleagues there and it's so ease see to wipe a brow with an infected hand and to get something in your mouth and not cover protocol because you're exhausted and you're frightening. >> it's the lord's work but very, very dangerous. alexander, thank you. two doctors who are right now treating that american journalist who has contracted ebola in nebraska join me,
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welcome back to "the lead," i'm jake tapper. 50 people in dallas are being monitored for ebola. none show any signs of the disease. that's according to center for disease control director tom frieden who just spoke to the immediate about progress in containing ebola, not just in the united states but also in west africa. those under observation all came into contact with thomas duncan who is the liberian national in the dallas hospital who became the first person diagnosed with the virus on u.s. soil. it is nothing short of miraculous, i might say, that duncan's contact seems to be okay, especially given how his case seems to have been mishandled from the start. still, the cdc continues to
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assure the public there's no need to panic and the message does seem to be working, according to a new research poll. most americans are not very worried about the ebola threat and the majority have faith that the u.s. can prevent an outbreak. joining me live from dallas is senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. elizabeth, do we know anything about mr. duncan's condition? >> reporter: we do, jake. we knowt duncan's condition? >> reporter: we do, jake. we know that right now mr. duncan is in critical condition. he's on dialysis for his kidneys and he's on a ventilator, which means that a machine is breathing for him. he's not breathing on his own. he's also on a medical sedation, according to his family. so they are unable to speak with him. there were a few reasons to be optimistic. they said his blood pressure is back up, his temperature is normal, his diarrhea has slowed down, which is crucial because
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preventing dehydration is key here. and also they said that his liver function numbers have been getting a bit better. jake? >> elizabeth, these drugs tend to work best when they are given immediately. did that happen in this case? >> reporter: you know what, jake, it didn't happen. you mentioned the mishandling. several days passed. he went to the hospital, as we've discussed many times, he was turned away and went home and came back again. so there's that delay. and then once he got to the hospital on september 28th, it took nearly a week for him to get the experimental drug brincidofovir. compare that to the other two who were in the u.s., they got it immediately. i was speaking with the reverend jesse jackson who held a press conference here and they think it's because he's african. they say that his life is not valued as much because he's african and not from the united
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states. >> elizabeth cohen, thank you so much. appreciate it. we have just learned that the american photographer being treated for ebola has been given the experimental drug. ashoko mukpo was flown to omaha in nebraska, which has state-of-the-art bio containment unit and previously treated another american who made a full recovery. joining me now to discuss his case are dr. angela hewitt and phil smith. what drug have you given ashoko mukpo? >> it's called 0 x 11. we can't tell how he's responding. it's too early to say. but the drug itself was something that we chose, based on recommendations from the centers for disease control and
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our assessment of products that have been used for the treatment of ebola. >> doctor, how is the drug you're giving to your patient different from the experimental zmapp that was given to the other patients that were in georgia? >> zmapp is an antibody that fights against the virus. and this is an anti-viral medication that interferes with viral development. >> mr. mukpo says he may have contracted ebola while he was cleaning a car that was used to transport an ebola patient. i know that it's not easy to get ebola. it comes from bodily fluids. but that sounds like a fairly inknock innocuos way to get it.
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>> it depends on how sick the person that was in the car was. contact with bodily fluids can transmit this disease. >> dr. smith, your hospital also treated dr. sacra, the american who contracted the disease in liberia. he's since been released. did the hospital learn any lessons from that treatment that you might use to help in treating mukpo? >> i think we did. we learned quite a bit. we learned some techniques as far as supportive medical care, the importance of early fluids, we modified our biocontainment unit so we can get laboratories done very close to the patient, a number of fine-tuning measures like that. the basic approach we have to the high containment isolation was pretty much the same. >> dr. hewlett, obviously a lot of people on the front lines,
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the nurse's assistant in spain, they have been getting the disease. what safeguards are you putting in place to keep your medical personnel safe from ebola while treating patients? >> well, i want to stress that our unit has been opened since 2005 and we have been drilling, we have been preparing for exactly this situation for a long time. we have a lot of protocols in place for protection of our health care workers and we also have a system of checks and balances which i think is incredibly important in that we don't allow human err in this situation. we ensure that we have a person who puts on your personal protective equipment and checks you before you go in the room, a person who assists you while you're taking off the personal protection equipment. that way we reduce the risk of contamination in that scenario. a lot of the protocols we have in place and our health care workers feel safe because of all those protocols that we have.
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>> dr. smith, i know it's too late to report on how ashoko mukpo is responding to treatment. how is he doing? >> well, i think he's reasonable stable at this point. that's all i can really say without getting into patient confidentiality issues. with ebola patients in general, sometimes they come in early and they don't look that sick and then later on they develop complications with gastrointestin gastrointestinal fluid losses, high fever and other complications. it's early in the course sue we'll have to see how it goes. >> dr. hewlett and dr. smith, thank you for joining me and thank you for the work you do. >> thank you. who is this masked member of the terrorist group isis? the fbi does not know. they are hoping that you do. could an average american help identify him based on the sound of his voice? plus, who needs enemies when you have former cabinet members?
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welcome back to "thehwar a terrorist plot. they have arrested four young men, all 24 years or younger. nick, how did they track them down? >> the police are not giving any clues at the moment, jake, how
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they knew about these men and how they have been monitoring them in any detail. this was islamist terrorist-related offenses, that these men were either preparing, instigating acts of terrorism. this is why they have been arrested. what is different about this here is the language that the police are using and it certainly gives the impression and this is what we are hearing here, that this was a plot that has all of -- this may have been a plot that appears to have been thwarted. but also different is the fact that armed police were along on one of those arrest raids and one of the 21-year-old men appears to try to escape arrest, he was tasered. the police are saying that there were no injuries there but it does seem to point at the moment to a serious investigation, how long they were being monitored, why the police decided to go in this time isn't clear. the police are continuing to
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investigate several properties and vehicles in the center and the west of london where these arrests took place. this, at the moment, without further details, anything else becomes speculation but this does seem to be a big arrest for the police at the moment. >> nic robertson, we'll check back with you as matters develop. back here in the united states, the fbi is asking for the public's help in tracking down an english-speaking isis member and he's in a propaganda video called flames of war. >> they lie! the one! we are the harshest and the flames of war only beginning to intensify. >> now the fbi wants your help to learn who this terrorist is. our joe johns is following developments. is this the law enforcement definition of crowd sourcing? >> i think you can say that. they are hoping that someone
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will be able to identify this man as part of a broader outreach to help the public to get people to identify people who may want to travel overseas and fight with terrorists. perhaps even more important, is learning the identity of isis fighters who might be returning to the united states. meanwhile, the intelligence community is trying to determine whether the isis fighter in the mask is american or canadian, not quite clear on that. >> this video, flames of war, it was shocking but one thing it wasn't was amateurish. it was pretty well-produced. what other significance can we find in this video? >> it is. the individual is significant for a lot of reasons. not only is it the latest video of isis fighters executing prisoners, it also appears to show a jihadist spouting isis propaganda speaking english with a perfect north american language, delivering an on camera tire rad before he and other isis fighters appear to shoot hostages.
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the victims appear to be syrian soldiers and the man the fbi wants to identify has the mask over his face which makes him unrecognizable. >> joe johns, thank you. coming up, could the president have stopped isis sooner? a man who was one of his closest advisers is saying yes. he's saying that president obama's bad decisions may have led to the terrorist planting their black flags. we'll go in the inside knock-down fight for the fight for the senate. some democrats are now worried. over 12,000 financial advisors. so, how are things? good, good. nearly $800 billion dollars in assets under care. let me just put this away. how did edward jones get so big? could you teach our kids that trick?
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back to "the lead," i'm jake tapper. leon panetta is not being shy when it comes to throwing some shade in his new book "worthy fights." he openly criticizes the president for not pushing hard enough and allowing some american ground troops to remain in iraq. he says that decision left the vacuum that allowed the islamic terrorists, isis, to grow into the menace that they have today. he talks candidly about the decision not to armor moderate syrian rebels and problems inside the u.s. secret service. cnn's gloria borger sat down to talk to leon panetta about that and more. >> it was interesting. leon panetta was among the biggest players in the obama
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administration and has spent 40 years in public service. he's written a memoir that is full of respect and admiration for his former boss but it also contains some really blunt criticism on foreign policy and president obama's leadership style. i asked him about the war on isis and whether the president should have ruled out ground forces. >> i take the position that when you're commander in chief, that you really ought to keep all options on the table to be able to have the flexibility to do what is necessary in order to defeat them. in order to make the air strikes work, you don't just send planes in and drop bombs. you've got to have targets. you've got to know what you're going after. to do that, you do need people on the ground. >> reporter: panetta argues that president obama is going after lost time because of the
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complete withdrawl of u.s. forces. >> would isis be as much of a threat had we left some troops behind? >> i think if we had some kind of a presence there, it would not have created the vacuum that it did in create. >> reporter: he criticizes the president for not arming the syrian rebels back in 2012, a move that most of the president's national security team recommended. but obama never signed off, arguing the weapons could wind up in the wrong hands. >> i mean, it's understandable but if we're going to influence the rebel forces and try to establish a moderate element, that it was important to provide this kind of assistance in order to have some leverage over what they were going to do. >> reporter: there was honest disagreement but then no decision. >> to a large extent, it wasn't that the president kind of said no, we shouldn't do it. the president kind of never really came to a decision as to
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whether or not it should happen. >> what do you mean by that, never came to a decision? >> i think it basically sat there for a while and then got to the point where everybody just kind of assumed that it wasn't going to happen. >> reporter: is that the right way to do things? >> i think it would have been far better had he made the decision that we weren't going to do it but we all waited to see whether or not he would ultimately come around. >> reporter: and -- >> and that didn't happen. there were these decisions that basically never were confronted that i think, in many ways, contributed to the problems we're facing today. >> reporter: the portrait panetta sketches of president obama sometimes looks more like a professor than the president. >> he relies on his logic that hopefully people will embrace that logic and then do what's right. you know what, in 50 years, my experience is, logic doesn't work in washington. you've got to basically go after people and make them understand what they have to do.
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and that means you create a war room, you go after votes and you have to push people. >> reporter: do you have a sense that the president found that distasteful or it wasn't something that he wanted to do or was comfortable doing? >> i think it offended him that people would not really get serious and work on the issues. and i think, as a result of that, he just felt, you know, how can i deal with people that simply don't want to do the right thing for the country? well, the reality is, if you want to govern in this country, you have to deal with people you don't leak. >> reporter: and you have to keep your word, which he argues the president did not do when they used weapons against its own people, violating the president's clearly drawn red line. >> president very clearly should have said, you have crossed that red line. we are not going to allow that to happen. and i think initially my sense was that they were going to do exactly that.
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but somehow they backed away from it. >> reporter: panetta tries to reconcile the president who vacillated over syria with the divisive obama who gave them a green light. >> he made a very gutsy decision to go after bin laden and i really respected that decision. i just could not have imagined him not making the same decision when it came to the credibility of the united states on drawing that red line in syria. >> reporter: to no one's surprise, the white house has not formally welcomed this version of history. >> i think it's inappropriate but anyway -- >> reporter: does he have a point there? >> you know, i am of the view that you don't put a hold on history. history is what it is. and i would say right now, after i recommend the president and vice president biden take the time to read the book because,
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you know, when you read it, it's a pretty balanced presentation of what happened. >> reporter: he's not just critical of the president but he also has a few things to say about the people protecting him. >> reporter: the secret service, obviously there's been a lot of talk lately about the security and safety of the president. >> i think particularly in the second term there is -- you kind of take things for granted. people don't pay attention to the details that they need to pay attention to. and that really requires tough supervision to make sure, particularly with the secret service and particularly where it involves the life of a president and the first family, you do not mess around with that. you make damn sure that they know what they are doing. >> reporter: do you think that's happened? >> i think they got a little bit casual about protecting the president of the united states and i don't think you can afford to let that happen. >> wow. gloria, there's some very staining criticism, especially when it is coming from the president's top guy at the cia
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and top guy at the pentagon. the president has pushed back a little bit. what is panetta's response. >> well, i asked him whether he's being disloyal because that's effectively what joe biden is saying, why couldn't he wait until the guy's out of office? he pushed back on that very hard and he said i believe history is it history and the day and age in which we live, you don't put a hold on it and he doesn't consider it disloyal to tell the truth about what occurred during the white house. now, as you know, lots of people have done that, particularly in this administration. former secretary defense gates has done that. hillary clinton's also written a memoir. panetta is on the lift of those. >> and the dates all seem to kind of line up, they are all very, very similar. >> well, they are. they also play into republican hands over the question of isis and what we could have done to
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prevent the growth of isis and you'll be hearing from republicans about it, using panetta, i'm sure. >> i'm sure. >> gloria borger, great interview. thank you. >> thank you. the poll numbers keep coming in and they are looking good for republicans, hoping to win control of the u.s. senate. is there anything that the democrats can do to turn the tide? plus, the internet put her most intimate photographs on the web. she says anyone who looked at them committed a sex crime but should google pay the price? le reluctant to try new things. what's wrong with trying new things? feel that in your muscles? yeah... i do... try a new way to bank, where no branches equals great rates. ♪ who's going to do it? who's going to make it happen? discover a new energy source. turn ocean waves into power. design cars that capture their emissions. build bridges that fix themselves. get more clean water to everyone.
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welcome back to "the lead." it's time now for the politics lead. believe it or not, we are just 22 days from the 2014 midterm elections and it's starting to draw blood.
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55% of all the ads we watch on tv are aiming below the belt, including these six, all from democrats debuting in your le living room over the past week. democrats have been willing more than anybody to use the airwaves to attack their opponents. but the math suggests that president obama's party may need a miracle to avoid losing control of the senate. here to break it all down for us, chief national correspondent john king. i've been on the phone with democrats all morning and e-mailing and the math looks tough. they have the more difficult task in the next four weeks. >> they are still holding out some hope but you are right, they have much more difficult math. republicans need a net gain of six seats. you remember the word net. that will be important in a minute. where will they get them? let's start with the easy ones. these are 13 senate races that we're watching.
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here's why it's so hard for the democrats. the one in blue are held by democratic incumbents. so to get the six, republicans start with these three and even democratic consultants can see montana, and dakota goes red. >> because republicans in those states are ahead in the polls by double digits. where does that leave us? what does that have to do with the remaining states? >> if that's three, how do they get three more? they start at alaska. they think they are ahead by several points. dan sullivan against mark begich says that it's not over yet but that one is turning their way. then you come over to arkansas. interesting, bill clinton was just there. he's trying to help mark pryor but it's been a small lead and a consistent lead in that race. republicans think that will trend their way. the third one they think that is likely to go republican is
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louisiana. this is a little complicated. you have two republican candidates. bill cassie, and maness and mary landrieu. now, what if republicans don't get to six from there? that's where it gets interesting. then you go into the blue states. republicans are in a close race in iowa leaning slightly democrat tech. the democrat, the forme formert. the democrat, the former massachusetts scott brown is still in there. north carolina is a very interesting one. most republicans thought that one would go their way but kay hag hagan is slightly ahead. republicans think even one of those could trend their way. president obama's the issue in those states he did win new hampshire and
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iowa big. north carolina he won the first time, lost the second time. ultimate swing state. >> what democrats have said, even as much as they love him, his poll numbers are so bad, people not feeling good about the state of the economy even if there economic indicators that things are getting better, wages are stagnant. and then there's this wild card on the map, john. there's a weirdness going on in the middle part of the country, in kansas. >> clerk your heels, dorothy. you wouldn't think that this would be part of the conversation in a republican year but in part not being able to explain why he lives most of his time in virginia, not in kansas. >> does he even have residents in kansas? he says he does. he's in trouble. the poll showed him down ten points to an independent. greg orman -- the democrat dropped out. greg orman is an independent businessman. he's given money to mitt romney
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and harry reid and barack obama. roberts is saying he's a democrat in disguise. orman is ahead. we might wake up the next day with greg orman, in some ways, being the most powerful man in politics potentially deciding the senate. >> and he hasn't said whether he will caucus with the democrats or republicans? >> he said he'll caucus whoever will be a majority. he'll choose leverage for kansas in that decision. what if it's 49 republicans, 50 democrats and orman's decision could decide the balance? what if they have joe biden over here and they could decide the balance? in a whacky election year -- >> only four weeks away. john king, really appreciate it. coming up, she's disgusted not just with the person who stole her nude pictures but at anyone who looked at them. jennifer lawrence's biggest complaint, the companies made money off of what she calls a sex crime.
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welcome back to "the lead." in our money lawyer is saying y tune of 1$100 million. marty singer is representing many celebrities whose pictures were stolen. you do nothing, nothing but collect millions of dollars in advertising revenue from your co-conspirator advertising partners as you seek to capitalize on this scandal rather than quash." jennifer lawrence said it's not a scandal, it's a sex crime.
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just the fact that somebody can be sexually exploited and violated and the first thought that somebody think is to make a profit from it. it's so beyond me. jeffrey toobin writes about this issue in the new "new yorker." we spoke with a prosecutor who said that hacking, obviously horrific, but no matter how damaging it is to the life of the victim, it's not a sex crime. i don't know if jennifer lawrence was using hyperbole or what. >> this is not a crime that cannot be prosecuted in a courtroom but certainly jennifer lawrence is right, if it's an egregious violation of privacy. they are violating copyright, people's property. if you can find them, you can force them to take the photos down. the interesting question is, can
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you force google not to link to these photos? and the answer is, no, you can't do that in the united states but you can in europe. europe has a different law on this. >> that's interesting. google told us, told cnn the following. "we have removed tens and thousands of pictures within hours of the requests being made and we have closed hundreds of accounts. the internet is made for many good things. stealing people's private photos is not one of them". the lawyer says more photos must still be removed or they will sue. google, you say, is not responsible -- if i go on google and i look at jennifer lawrence's nude pics, they are not liable for that? >> they are not. in europe jennifer lawrence can go to google and say, these photos are unlawfully obtained and google can be forced in europe not to link to them.
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that law would be inconsistent with our first amendment. we don't tell publishers -- and google operates like a publisher here, what they can link to and not link to. the idea that you can sue google to stop it is not anything any american court has adopted. >> but is it possible that this lawyer could take the course to a european court? >> yes. and, in fact, it is possible and in fact likely that or, which is spain, those links would be removed threw but, which is the american site and the site most people use -- americans use even when they are in europe, you can't have them removed from there. >> interesting. is there a chance that this could change the way that these cases are prosecuted in the u.s., just the fact of this lawsuit? >> you know, i don't think so. the first amendment in the united states is so robust and
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healthy and so protective of what publishers do, i don't think there's going to be any change here. but what's happening in europe is an interesting indication about how not everybody believes our freedom of expression laws are perfect. >> jeffrey toobin, thank you so much. that's it for "the lead". i'm jake tapper. i turn you over to wolf blitzer. he's in "the situation room." >> happening now, american jihadists. the fbi is asking to identify an isis fighter speaking perfect north american english who apparently murdered prisoners in a video. turkey's president says the key syrian border town is about to fall to the terrorists. and missing for a month. where is north korea's leader? he hasn't been seen in public even as his deputies pay a surprise visit to south korea. are they now in charge? i'm wolf blitr.