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>> and new information about the jetliner in the united states shot down over the ukraine. tragic denails about just how much the passengers knew. hello, everyone, i'm john berman. >> and i'm michaela pereira. those stories are ahead of this hour. we want to smart first with new ebola fears here in the rise. a dallas deputy is hospitalized with possible, we repeat, possible symptoms of the virus. the sergeant has no rick of disease despite having entered the apartment of duncan who of course was the first diagnosed in the united states. and he also was the first patient to die in the united states. he died yesterday in a dallas hospital. authorities say the sergeant does not have any direct contact with duncan. >> starting tomorrow, people arriving in the u.s. with the
three hardest areas hit with ebola they will be screened at the airports. those screenings will take place first at new york's jfk, next week, washington dulles, newark, o'hare and atlanta. jeh johnson gave us details on how the screenings will work. >> protocol is, first of all, you see customs. our customs personnel are very skilled at examining people. assessing people for a variety of residence. and we're and passengers to fill out a declaration what symptoms do you have, where have you been? where will you be for the next few days. and through a noncontact thermometer, we're going to be taking the temperatures of any that come from the three countries. if you have a fever, the
passenger is then immediately referred to the cdc. >> professor gossen, i want to start with you here. we talk about people coming from the west african nations. it's a handful, several dozen every day. do you thing this will actually be effective in stopping the next thomas eric duncan from getting into the united states? catching him before he gets to somewhere like dallas? or is this really more about public relations and management here? >> well, it's certainly, of all of the political pressure placed upon the president to do mass fever screenings or travel ban, i'm glad he took that off the table, this was the most measured and moderate approach, but it's not foolproof, anywhere near, because most people will be asymptomatic for ebola, the way that will duncan was.
and you'll have a lot of false positives, we're entering influenza season so people will be feverish. they might have malaria if they came from the region which masks the symptoms of ebola. and so we're probably going to get a lot of people who really are worried well but don't have ebola. so it could divert resources. you know, it's at least not the most extreme measure the president could have taken. >> you talk about measure and moderate. i think those are words that we here at cnn are trying to keep -- >> perspective. >> right, perspective is key. i want to play some sound for you, cdc director dr. tom frieden compared this ebola to the aids epidemic. i want you to take a listen. i want to get your reaction on the other end. >> i will say in the 30 years
i've been working in public health the only like this has been aids. and we have to work now so this is not the world's next aids. >> does he have a point? do you have the same point, dr. jorge? >> yeah, it's a good analogy. it isn't identical. a friend of mine who is a doctor said maybe people are becoming too crazy about this. i wish someone had been this alert when the aids epidemic was down to 7,000 people infected as opposed to 50 million. it's definitely not the same type of virus. in a way ebola is almost better, if i dare that, in the fact that is has a short lifespan because you can be inspected with hiv for 20 years and spread it. if we don't do something now to keep it from spreading it can get to that disease.
>> it's also something going on in the part of the word that needs attention much like the aids epidemic did when it began here in the u.s. largely in the 1980s. >> correct. and the other thing is also the stigma that's already starting with people from western africa. that's a very dangerous thing if you feel that only certain people can carry this disease and spread it. so that has to be wiped out immediately because that's one of the things that caused hiv to spread was the stigmaization of the disease. >> professor, i've been wgettin a lot of questions only. there are questions about sergeant michael monnig being monitored because he wasn't feeling well. ruby tweeted how does dallas officer start feeling ill but not operator zero's partner? i think one might be that this guy has a cold. everyone thinks this is likely
not ebola. but let's say for a second this is not a cold which officials believe it is now. it could be that he had contact with fluids that she did not. >> first of all, what happened in dallas can't be repeated. there were multiple breaches of protocol. this was one of them. it wasn't the worst. but it was one of them going into a contaminated apartments that hadn't been decontaminated as it should have been and doing that without personal protective equipment. that's a clear breach. it's very unlikely that he has ebola virus disease. it's much more likely he has flu, cold, some gastrointestinal disease, something like that. but we need to be vigill anvigi. but it really shouldn't have happened. we have ambulance workers taking mr. duncan without protective equipment. his contacts remained in the
apartment while it was still contaminated. he was turned away from the hospital. these breaches of protocol really have to be fixed. and i think our hit system is doing that. >> dr. jorge rodriguez and professor gossen, thanks for joining us. we can talking about that on "new day." hospitals in new york are sending actors in to sort of test out how procedures are being followed. they want to make sure they're followed. hopefully hospitals around the nation are doing their own drills so they can be prepared. every medical person we talked to said preparation is key. >> if it's not see boebola, it', something else. outrage in spain after a dog gets put down because of ebola concerns. but can dog really get ebola? and if they do, can they give it
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it is from an air strike. but, it gives you an idea of ongoing unrest that is going on there. new developments overnight in the fight against isis as the situation in the key syrian town of kobani reportedly getting worse. and if those images are any indication, witnesses telling cnn that militants now have reinforcements as street-to-street battling rage on. the group monitoring the combat says isis controls now a third of the town. seen as the last scene from the capital of raqqa all the way to the turkish border. pentagon officials say they're bracing for kobani to fall. other developments, a teenager due in federal court any manipulate. mohammed hamzah khan was apprehended at the airport. a search of his parent's home turned up a letter. and fear of isis in the
homeland. a republican congressman makes a stunning claim about militants infiltrating the mexican u.s. border. the nation's homeland security chief says there's no evidence. >> i know at least ten isis fighters have been caught coming across the mexican border in texas. >> we have no specific intelligence that isil is plotting to come into the homeland into our southern border. but we're constantly on the lookout. >> i want to turn back now to the syrian/turk iish border. our phil black is there. we some colonel rick francona. we have to go to you, phil, what are you seeing, what are you hearing, what are you experiencing there? >> reporter: let me show you that skyline shot again. that is kobani towards the southwest. we've seen the b-1 bomber overhead and multiple explosions
around the perimeter. a number off in that direction where you see that thick smoke rising now. something clearly has been struck and it is burning but fewer attacks today than in recent days. and the kurdish forces on the ground report a much tougher day of fighting. partly because isis has sent reinforcement from raqqa, it's de facto capital, deeper into syria. so the battle harder. the territory that they had taken back from isis overnight, they say they had to give up because they don't have the people but had the resources. this is still very much a fight that is not going their way. >> you see those amazing pictures behind phil black from the turkish side of the border. i was on with phil earlier today. he showed me a different picture, colonel, he showed me a line of turkish tanks watching kobani burn. not just watching, keeping kurds
inside of turkey. my question to you, i think we have to be frank about this, what does turkey want here? it doesn't seem to want to help the kurds in kobani and what they're perfectly okay with are the kurds being weakened? >> i think it that's a fair assessment. kurdish and turkish relations are bad and they've been bad for decades. they're using the kurds as a pawn with the united states because they want to us declare a no-fly zone over syria, and they want us to be involved with them in a ground campaign two things which probably are not going to happen. so what we're seeing are the kurds being used in the middle of this. >> and what the foreign ambassador of iraq had to say on "new day" this morning. take a listen. >> the areas that the isis people recruit from, they're going to see this as a dramatic isis victory despite u.s. air power. that's not good. >> do you agree?
>> yeah. air power can only do so much here. and the problem is only with the b-1 certainly, the b-1 carries a tremendous bomb load but the problem is, i was talking to a couple people involved in the operation, they're telling me the pilots are having trouble establishing the good guys from the bad guys and they will not drop because they're so worried about killing friendly forces. you need eyes on the ground to do this effectively when you've got troops in contact. >> phil, i want to get back to you on the turkish border. watching what's going on in kobani along with the turkish troops lining the border. the turkish troops are now on the border. the question is with allies like this, who needs allies? what are the kurds on that side of the border saying, i understand there's been demonstrations, even people killed inside turkey?
>> they have john, that's right. they don't necessarily want turkish troops to come running to their rescue as it's been touched on the relationship is distressed at best. but what they want for the gate at the border crossing to be thrown open so they can at least be replied. they can get more fighters and ammunition and supplies. if the air strikes maintenance a similar intensity to what we've seen over the last few days, i believe they hold a chance of holding out longer. without that, well that chance reduces pretty dramatically. no one is of any doubt, i think, about just where the momentum of this battle is heading. it does all point to the imminent fall of kobani at some point, just a matter of time in waiting. they are hoping to hold out as long as possible. they are appealing for as much international assistant as possible, john. >> pentagon strategy seems to not be so concerned with that
individual city, the larger swath are what they're concerned about. phil black, thank you for reporting there. >> as kobani burns behind him. >> lieutenant colonel, thank you. we come to the family of the ebola victim comes to grip with the loss. another ebola widow talks about this. and how she's trying to forge ahead with her life and dealing with the stigma of ebola since her late husband patrick succumbed to the virus.
she really was thinking and all of them were thinking there was a lot more hope and that he was on his way up instead of down. >> that was the reverend george mason of the baptist church in dallas speaking there of the fiancee of thomas eric duncan. a prayer was held last night she is in quarantine, she was unable to attend. local media reports say she was able to watch the service as it was streamed online. >> there's one woman who knows all too well how she's feeling right now. deconte lost her husband to ebola. i've had a chance to speak with you a couple times since patrick's passing. you said one of the things you wanted to do is provide support to louise and her family.
you're in an emotional place where you can sadly relate to what she's going through. have you had a chance to talk to her and what would you say to her? >> we haven't had a chance to talk to louise yet. understandably so. she's going through so much and i know what that feels like. and sometimes, you don't want to even talk to anyone. i would just like to reach out to her and again wrap my arms around her and let her know you're not alone, sister. it's tough, i can edmphasize wht you're going through. it is unique to you. i may not understand all of your emotions but i went through similar and i can emphasize. my prayers, my prayers goes out to her. and i will continue to make an effort, in fact, we're planning a trip down to texas to reach out to louise. because no one should be alone during this time.
and that's what ebola does, it isolates you. it isolates you. >> what does it do to the community, and by that, perhaps the liberian community or the west african community in dallas right now? there are a lot of people there saying they feel isolated, that they feel, in a way, almost discriminated against, it's a fear. >> yeah. there is a fear. and that fear is real. and that fear does exist that people feel isolated. and then on the other hand, i can see the folks who may be the one isolated and are afraid of getting ebola. and that's real, too. so something needs to be done fast because we can't continue this pattern. >> what do you think the things are that need to be done. it's interesting, we've been talking to a lot of medical
professor l professionals. obviously, managing fear and the spread eve bowl la here. we have seen medical professionals making sure the medical centers are prepared and readied in the case they have a patient come and present to their hospital that seems sick. but it's not just the preparation. it seems to me there's an awareness that needs to, i don't know, be spread around the nation, no? >> yes, yes, there's that awareness that needs to be spread around the nation as well. there are certain things that, you know, let's talk about t duncan being sent home his first trip, for a man from liberia where ebola comes to a hospital, and i think mentioned he was from liberia. i'm not 100% certain. i'm thinking that's what it was, and he was sent home when he talked about his symptoms.
and just those little things that should be red flags that say hey, let's keep him here and let's do some tests are the sort of things we want to look at. and also to be compassionate, first and foremost, even if those red flags go up. these are human beings. these are people just like you. you know, treat me how you want to be treated. even though we may be afraid. that fear is real but at the same time know that you're dealing with another human being who has feelings just like. you. >> you're in the united states now obviously looking at what's happening here looking at what's happening in west africa. what do you make of the level engagement here in some of the western countries with what is happening. i was struck by the dog put down but 390,000 people signed a petition for the dog. i'm not sure i've seen the same level of concern for what's happening in these countries?
>> yeah, we're slow. we're slow. it's taking us a while to catch up. and to be at that level of concern that we should be. we unfortunately here a lot of the times in the u.s. care more for our animals than we do for our neighbors. and that's sad. so we need to definitely work on that. but there are a lot of good people who are stepping it up. who are concerned. >> yes, they are. >> and i want to recognize that, too. >> and there's a lot of people that we know. there's a lot of missionaries and medical professionals, doctors, nurses, assistants that have handed over and committed their lives to working with the people who are fighting that battle when it seems like we're losing in west africa. decontee thank you for making yourself available to us. we hope to stay in touch with you. >> thank you so much for having me. again, we at the kofa are at the
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spanish authorities have put down an ebola patient's dog despite a very big online campaign to save the pet's life. it got thousands and thousands of signatures. >> officials were apparently concerned that this dog had caught the virus from his owner, a nurse's assistant who had been carrying for missionaries being treated for ebola. i asked the doctor earlier today if pets, household pets like dogs and cats, can carry the virus. take a listen to what he said. >> we know in prior studies dogs have shown immune response to the virus in outbreak regions. they didn't have any symptoms but they were clearly getting exposed to the virus. it was something that people had to think about when you had a dog exposed whether or not it posed a risk and that's why the spanish authorities took the action they did. >> so the reaction is, we know
they can carry it. we just don't know if a dog or other household pets can transmit it, correct? >> right. this is an area where there's not a lot of data. in spain, they've had a nurse, human-to-human transmission which really shouldn't have happened. so authorities are pressed to do something this is one of the a couple options they could have done. but it's really unclear whether they had to do it but it's definitely in the realm of possibility that this is the right action to take. it's hard without a lot of data. >> you talk about there's not a lot of data. this would have been the perfect case study, do you know why they did not opt for that? or do we know that there would have been necropsy done to under the animal better? >> that's definitely an open question, i think it would have been a very good idea to get the blood of that animal to look at the virus. in prior studies they looked for
antibodies or viruses they didn't look for. it's important to see the lymph nodes of the dog would be analyzed. there may be deese understanding the virus by looking how it behaves in the canine species. >> right what we do know in west africa, the fruit bat and other bush needs that there's at consumption in villages in west africa? >> right, fruit bats are thought to be the reservoir where it resides and spills from bats into chimpanzees antelopes and then into humans. that's where the research lies. understanding why ebola suddenly appears, explodes and then moves away from the outbreak. the key is understanding how it's going to behave and all the animals it can affect? >> so do you believe in
euthanization of this dog in spain? where do you stand on this? there's a lot of people, 300,000 people signed a petition. we haven't seen that kind of response for -- you know, support for the red cross, for example, that is complaining about the lack of funds they're getting to fight ebola. white disconnect? that's a two-part question. first of all, do you agree with the euthanization of the dog? >> i'm not sure. i think they could have quarantined the dog and studied the dog. there definitely is a concern. dog lick people's wounds. we know in humans the virus remains active in the seman for three months. >> a lot of people are talking about this, there's amazing commentary in the guardian.
finally the west has a victim to feel bad about. it was a dog. it's just the level of concern. >> level of concern. we should also point out something that's really important to remain focused on is the spanish nurse assistant. madrid is now saying that that nurse has taken a turn for the worse. and that is a concern. we'll be watching that story. get online, tweet us at this hour. i'm sure you have questions, comments, we'd like to hear from you. ahead at this hour, we have horrifying new details about the malaysia air flight shot down over the ukraine. details about what the passengers may have known. it's very, very sad. and it may change what we know about this crash.
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north korean leader kim jong-un has not been seen in public for more a month. >> if he misses tomorrow's anniversary celebration for north korea's workers party there will be a whole lot more to the rumors about his physical health, his political health. whether in fact he's still in charge in that elusive nation. i want to bring in peter brooks with the heritage foundation. peter, the fact that it's so reclusive it invites conspiracy theories. >> that's right, where's dennis rodman when you need him? obviously, they very concerned with what's going on in north korea. it's very -- there's almost a news blackout there. we may know something big in a
short time. tomorrow is the anniversary of the scene workers party. traditionally, the leader has gone to the mausoleum after midnight. if he's not well, they might change that schedule, but like i said, we could know something very, very soon. >> help us understand the ramifications of that. let's just go with that theory that maybe he's not well, okay? >> okay. and a change and a shift in power. not justify the optics of that, but what does that mean? what does that mean for that nation? what does it mean for the secrecy and the inner workings of the leadership of that country? >> well, obviously, it's very important. remember, north korea is only technically in an armistice, there's been no peace agreement since the war. if there's a shut in power are a
coup, or he passes, we're thinking about loose nukes or a korean war. large refugees flow. and where in the world is the kim jong-un question, there's a lot behind that, ramifications. >> they've been testing nuclear weapons, let's not forget that. that's one ramification, peter. so if he's not in charge, who is? say someone did not want him in charge, are there forces that have the power to remove him? >> well, look, the power from that country comes from the military and the korean workers party. what i'm assessing at this point it's little sister, kim yo jong, she's appeared in public. remember his father kim jong-il had seven children by four different partners. so a number of them had been excommunicated if you were. she's showing up she's the
aide-de-camp. she's like the chief of staff. and she may be running things right now. so we'll have to see but does she have the gravitas to have influence within the workers party, the services and the military? the kim family is the only people who have run north korea. kim jong-il the father and then kim jong-un. this is interesting. like we said, there are ramifications about what the power structure is if he is really, really ill. >> let's not forget there are three americans there whose fate hangs in the balance, too. peter brooks, always a pleasure to talk to you. we'll watch this, as you said, they're several hours ahead of us we'll be finding out more news as it happens there. 44 minutes after the hour. so we now know more about the malaysia airlines flight that the u.s. said was shot down over ukraine. new tragic details about what
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during an interview that the body of one passenger was discovered wearing an oxygen mask. all 298 people as you'll recall, all on board were killed. i want to turn to our safety analyst david soucie. this is a grim detail that's upsetting to hear about. what does this mean that perhaps not all the passengers died instantly as we had first believed. >> well, according to this foreign minister, he said that the oxygen mask was found around the neck of one of the passengers. and only one passenger. but the difficult thing is, he went on to speculate. and passengers -- the families need to know these details. they have to know everything about it. as painful as it might be, they really need to know this because that's the only way to get on with the grieving process. but what he went on to say and speculate about the fact i wonder if they looked in each other's eyes and kind of gave a silent fair well, that's
dramatization that has no place in an investigation. >> when we got the first details about the investigation. there's no chatter amongst the pilots saying there's something that does it change anything there? >> well, if it, indeed, was on the passenger, now there's some speculation by prosecutors in the case to say that the mask was tampered with by the people on the scene, which is highly possible, but i can't imagine why someone would find an oxygen mask and put it on someone. that doesn't make a lot of sense. the fact is that yeah, this does tell us if it truly was put on by the passenger there was people that survived the initial impact and families need to be prepared for this kind of information. it's information as i said, they may not know that they need it now, but they will need it to fully grieve this loss and so this is some difficult times coming as the details start coming out about this accident.
>> as grim as it is, impact with the ground or impact to the missile do you mean? >> exactly. as to whether the passenger survived the descent, i don't think they were fatally injured by the impact on the ground. if it did, indeed, come apart in the area, it's 40 degrees below zero, no oxygen, literally, traveling at 400 or 500 miles per hour, the chance of surviving the descent is little to none. so if it was from the impact, i'm certain that many, many people were killed from the impact immediately and had no idea what hit them. but it is possible as well, by looking at the wreckage, that there was some survivors of the initial impact but it would have only taken minutes at most to get down to the ground and during that time, it would have been fatal, the descent it itself would have been fatal. >> tough to talk about but we appreciate you coming on to give us this information.
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puts it, it gets to issues of nepotism, favor tism, credibility and the president's safety. that is a whole lot at once. as with other troubles of late it is connected to the secret service. >> "the washington post" reporting that the white house tried to cover up evidence that a member of the president's advanced team preparing for the president's visit to colombia in may 2012 may have had a prostitute staying with him at his hotel, and senior officials were told about it but did nothing. let's turn to evan perez. it's interesting because i think we all remember at the time no one from the white house would say, they said nobody was involved in the scandal, we know nothing about it, yet we're finding this out, evan. >> well yes, michaela. we've been looking at this for some time and a lot of reporters have been looking into this and, you know, we know a lot of what happened to the secret service agents and the military members who were punished after this incident. we don't know a lot about what happened to the person from the
white house. this we're talking about, talking about a former intern who was a volunteer and went to cart happ cartagena to do the advanced work for the visit. according to the information we've been given and reported by "the washington post," investigators looked at a piece of paper, sheet of paper, simply that had what appeared to be like a logged entry of someone who -- a woman who recorded that she had gone to a certain room and that room would have been the room number for this former intern. so where does this go? the problem was that the white house investigated this and couldn't corroborate it, couldn't find any proof. the piece of paper that was a big proof really had no markings to indicate that it was official hotel records, so they couldn't even verify that this was not just a fake piece of document. so it was something that they looked into and decided that they just could to the ver fy. the intern by the way denied he was ever -- did anything wrong.
that's where it stood. >> a lot of stipulations here. one, he denies he did anything wrong. two, a difference between an intern. >> sure. >> and a secret service agent whose job it is to protect the president. we should note prostitution is legal in colombia. if it did happen, extremely unseemly for this white house and it gets to a difference to a level of punishment, the intern who is a son of a big donor and the secret service. tell us more about this intern and how the administration is responding. >> well, at the time he was 25 years old, a law student and again this is an unpaid position. you brought up exactly right. the secret service agents that were punished they were gun carrying employees of the federal government in charge of the president's security, right. and so they do get held to a higher standard. and we got a statement from the attorney for this former intern -- by the way he now works -- this intern is now an employee of the state department and we have it right here. the statement from richard sober
the economy, he categorically denies having a prostitute in his room. neither he or his father contacted anyone at dhs or the white house to seek special treatment. the allegations are false and everyone involved knows they are false. and so that's the issue. the white house could never corroborate this and frankly, the one piece of evidence really wasn't that compelling on this. >> like you said, john, this is more a white house issue and the fact that they're denying that anyone knew about it. this report comes up and surfaces, not so much as secret service issue, which certainly has been under fire quite a lot of late. our thanks to evan perez, thank you for that reporting. excellent of you to bring that to us and walks us through. there's been contusion about the details. >> i encourage you to check out the article. it raises questions about the white house that investigated this intern as much as they investigated the allegations about secret service officials as well. take a look at that. >> i guess that wraps it up for
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