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"at this hour." i'm michaela pereira. >> she's michaela pereira. >> you're john berman. >> tweet us any time you want. "legal view with ashleigh banfield" starts right now. >> when? the war on isis, front and center today. in chicago, the 19-year-old american accused of conspiring to join the jihadist murderers facing a federal judge at this hour. and also this hour, experts keep telling us this ebola thing is under control, so how are we supposed to believe them when we see mistake after kcareless mistake by hospitals, ems workers and cops and cleanup crews who should be keeping us safe? and then -- >> shot by the police. >> oh. >> a simple traffic stop ended
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very badly. a teenager's camera rolling in the back seat as officers smash the window and brought out the taser. the furious family's lawsuit against law enforcement and really what this story says about all of us right now. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." had he not attracted close attention from the fbi, mohammed hamza khan might be in turkey or in territory claimed or controlled by isis. instead, however,s polite and studious 19-year-old from bollingbrook, illinois, is in federal court in chicago trying to persuade a judge to let him go home. cnn's ted rowlands is outside the courthouse. get me up to speed on what's been happening during the hearing? >> well, ashleigh, it's a detention hearing which got -- going a little late, only going about 15 minutes and there was a ten-minute delay here because there's a new lawyer, the khan
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family has hired a local lawyer here, tom durkin, who by the way, also represents a young man, a 19-year-old, accused of trying to bomb a chicago night club back in 2012. he's well versed in the federal system and specifically with terrorism issues. khan has just been in front of this judge. the judge has done some basic clerical issues. she wanted the recess to review an article submitted in a brief, so they're just getting going right now. at issue, what you said, was absolutely accurate, today this young man wants to go home, he wants to be out on bail. the federal government, the united states, says no. he should not be out on bail because he is a danger to society. this judge is tasked with making that decision today. we expect the hearing to last about another half hour to hour. >> that's the critical part here. he's a danger to others and yet we know so little except for what's come out in fact court documents and they are troubling without question. but can you give me a bit of a taste of what they found when
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they executed warrants on his home, his vehicle? what's the deal? the evidence they have against him so far? >> well, the most damming evidence, ashleigh, frankly is a letter that he allegedly wrote to his parents saying this is the reason that i am leaving you, leaving my home here in suburbia, to go join isis and fight in the middle east. in that letter he said he couldn't stand the thought of being 19 and paying taxes to the u.s. government and then that money being used to kill, quote, his muslim brothers and sisters. he says that he was planning on staying forever, what he told allegedly investigators that arrested him at o'hare, and in that same letter invited his parents to come join him in the islamic state. that evidence is the most crucial. we don't know the other evidence that was compiled before it got to the airport, but what we know from this criminal complaint that was filed last week, that letter really seems to dictate the mindset of this young man.
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i talked to some people that worship with him at a mosque near hiss home and said this kid was very religious, was a fixture at this mosque. one person said he knew the koran backwards and forwards and that is why the people at that mosque were so shocked, because he knew the religion. he knew it well and they were absolutely shocked that he would make such a drastic decision which gets no support from the people as you can imagine at his home mosque in bollingbrook, illinois. >> certainly no support publicly, but you never know at this point who is where. ted rowlands joining us live in chicago, thank you. i want to bring in legal analyst mel robbins and danny on this. some of the other material in the doumss so troubling on their surface. let's just say that. doodles and drawings and pictures of an isis flag and words saying come to jihad and, you know, in arabic, islamic state, here to stay, we are the lions of war, my nation, the
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dawn has emerged. is that, though, danny, material support? that's what he's charged with. >> the question ultimately, what is mere association and what is criminal material support under this federal statute, which is very broadly written and the supreme court has endorsed this broad interpretation of criminalizing membership or providing material support. now the statute speaks of providing things like personnel, expert assistance, money, and the question here is, what exactly has this 19-year-old defendant provided? when you look at it, you can equally say, doodles, at what level are doodles evidence against me that will go -- that are probative of my material support. you can, again, as broadly as this statute is worded virtually anything of value can be considered material support. >> it's also important to note, it's not providing, it's attempting to provide.
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in this case it seems very clear, although the fbi affidavit specifically states that they're only giving enough information to establish probable cause so they can have a complaint issued in this case. what they say he fully intended to travel overseas to join isis. when the fbi agents who met him at the airport mirandized him, spoke to him, he specifically said, i'm going to go over, my intent is to go join isis to provide either public service, police work, humanitarian aid, or a combat role. he was clearly waiting -- >> it's clear. >> he's going to provide personnel support. >> that could fall within an exception. if you are going over to provide religious support, anything that is -- >> that's an exceptionp. that's not what he said. he said i might do one of all these things. >> a lot of people are tweeting about this and asking the question, i think it's a good one, why only that charge? why only attempt to provide material support? what happened to good old treason?
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is that part of this? a crazy question? >> when it comes to charging as a defense attorney i'm on the other side. i wondered that too. this is probably the easiest one to make stick. the problem with overcharging you to meet the burden as to each of those statutes. even though federal prosecutors aren't above lumping a bunch of charges on they might as well stay with what they know to be safe. >> may come easier more in tune with what's happening today. >> and also carries 17 1/2 to 21.8 months or years in prison so this is no joke in terms of the charges for a kid that basically has bought a plane ticket. >> he didn't even buy it. that's the interesting thing. didn't buy it. someone bought it for him. he was acting on it. i have to wrap it up there. but the conversation is not over on that. mel robbins and danny, stick around. another big top story, the deadly ebola virus in america. it's easy to become overwhelmed and confused what you see and hear how to protect against it and why some look like they're not protecting at all against it. we're going to clear up some of
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so i know how important that is. >>. cdc director tom frieden made a terrifying comparison saying he has seen nothing like the ebola crisis except for the aids epidemic of the '80s and '90s. he's in washington today meeting with leaders from the three west african countries most affected
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by ebola. >> i will see in the 30s years i've been working in public health the only things like this has been aids. we have to work now so this is not the world's next aids. we can do that i think exactly as was said by all of the three presidents, speed is the most important variable here. >> in the meantime fears over ebola are rising in the united states as dallas county sheriff's deputies hospitalized after showing possible, possible ebola symptoms. sergeant michael monnig was a first responder to the first ebola case in the united states. entering an unsanitized, uncleaned apartment of thomas eric duncan. the man who tragically died from that disease just yesterday. health officials claim monnig poses no risk of ebola. cnn's senior medical correspondent, elizabeth cohen reports on how monnig's unprotected presence in duncan's apartment may be another misstep
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in this fight against ebola. >> we did not receive any type of emergency equipment. >> reporter: ebola fear escalating as sergeant michael monnig, a deputy sheriff who initially entered into the apartment where dallas ebola patient thomas eric duncan was staying before it was sanitized, started experiencing some ebola-like symptoms wednesday. monnig told cnn affiliate wfaa friday he thought he may have come in contact with the virus. >> touched doors, touched the lights to turn on lights. >> reporter: according to the cdc, ebola can't live on surfaces for more than just a few hours, and monnig said he was in the apartment several days after duncan had already been admitted to the hospital. a state health official saying we know he didn't have direct contact with duncan and he doesn't have a fever and in a situation like that, there is not a risk of ebola. >> over abundance of caution we are taking several actions to make sure that the public health safety and welfare is protected. >> reporter: the deputy sheriff transported to the same hospital where duncan, the first person
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to be diagnosed with ebola in the u.s., died early wednesday. >> today we are deeply saddened by the death of the patient in dallas. >> reporter: they are questioning duncan's care. >> their concern is that the same standard of identification and diagnosis and safe care now applied in frisco did not apply to him. >> reporter: duncan lay sickened in his hospital bed at texas health presbyterian for six days before doctors tried an experimental medication to fight ebola. compare that to cameraman ashoka mukpo fighting the virus. he arrived at the university of nebraska on monday and right away doctors gave him an experimental anti-viral medication. mukpo received a blood donation from american survivor dr. kent brantley. blood donations from ebola survivors are believed to provide antibodies to patients fighting the disease. duncan never received the donation. >> and elizabeth cohen joins me live now from dallas. so i think a lot of people are
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very confused by hearing people very cavalierly announcing that sergeant monnig is fine not at risk. how can that be? >> you know, it's actually not so cavalier, ashleigh. the reason why texas state health officials are saying this, one, he didn't have any contact with duncan. in order to get ebola you need to have contact with the bodily fluids of a sick person or sick person themselves. number two, he doesn't have a fever. a fever is really sort of the hallmark sign of ebola. and so they really feel quite sure that he doesn't have ebola. now, they're going to screen him for it and look at him for it, but it really just seems incredibly unlikely that he has ebola. >> all right. elizabeth cohen live for us in dallas, covering the story, doing a great job, thank you for all your early mornings and late nights on this story. obvious the handling of the case in dallas was botched in a lot of ways. mistakes in treatment that may have cost thomas eric duncan his life, mistakes in the cleanup
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that may have put other people at risk. there is also a lot of misinformation out there about ebola and just how you can catch it. does it live outside the body for very long on surfaces? or doesn't it? joining me to talk about the mistakes in dallas and the myths surrounding this deadly disease and how one catches it, dr. alexander van tullcan senior at fordham university. i want to replay if i can, doctor, that interview that was conducted with sergeant michael monnig and an interview right after conducted with his son, both of them downplaying any concerns that they have for his health. let's have a look. >> we did not receive any type of emergency equipment. >> and did you all touch anything while you were in there? >> touched doors, touched lights to turn on lights. that starts putting those question marks in your mind. you know, when you go home the next day, you start hearing the equipment is being quarantined
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or asked to be bagged up. >> we were told by federal officials, county officials, that he would have to come in direct contact with duncan or bodily fluids and he did not. he was in the apartment for maybe 30 minutes. which we're told is nowhere like no chance to contract the virus. >> okay. doctor, get me off the ledge because 30 minutes to me is a long time to be anywhere near any surfaces where someone who's just recently died of ebola spent a lot of time very, very ill. what's the reality about surfaces and how long that virus can stay alive? >> so that will depend on what the surface is. it can live less long on metal than damp cloth. the humidity, the temperature, all kinds of other things. the other thing, there's no dog ma with regard to ebola. we don't study this virus enough to be really confident at saying this is when it's dead, how long it can live. this is very, very hard research to do because you have to put the virus all over a room and measure it at different times and see if it was infectious. >> to be as careful as one can
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when dealing with a deadly disease, you know, i've heard three hours, i've heard three days. and ultimately they're burning mattresses and sheets in africa. so should we then here in america go to the top degree of security and say, three days or even get rid of all of that material inside the apartment? >> i think it's perfectly possible to clean that apartment. you don't have to burn everything in it. the issue that this raises is, with hindsight, would i have wanted to go into that apartment, would tom frieden wanted to have gone into that apartment? >> would you have? >> absolutely not. not because i'm terrified on ebola. if i have to put $1,000 on him having ebola i would put him not having it. what you want to see is the public health authorities and authorities protecting their people and taking all the precauti precautions. we've seen they haven't been doing that. >> here's another issue that a lot of people have been confused about, cleaning up and removing material. look at the video of the hazmat crews using a spray and look at all that mist blowing in the air. by the way, there were neighbors
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who were outside, not far away, little kids outside, people coming in and out of their houses, and this is the cleanup as i understand of the, i hate to say this, sounds awful, but the vomit on the sidewalk. that is not a hazmat worker clad in protective clothing when talking about deadly bodily fluidses. that's how the vomit outside the apartment was cleaned up. is any of this acceptable or is this a catastrophic mistake some. >> so what the reason that it seems very bad to me, is not because the risk of spreading ebola around this way is very high. i suspect it's been out in the sun for a long time, the vomit will have dried. it's probably pretty safe to do that. the problem is we don't absolutely know that. we're trying to contain one of the most deadly diseases in the world and we don't seem to be doing a very good job. what you want to see is almost everything being treated as a rehearsal for something serious. get your first responders used to wearing protective gear v protocols in place to make sure people don't enter without proper decisions being made. the relevant authorities
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consulted. none seems to be happening. >> i think what may -- both disturb me equally but bodily fluids like vomit you're saying the virus won't last that long say out in the sun? >> so what -- what i think we know is that this is quite -- it's a delicate virus. it's a virus is not really alive, like a little package of chemicals, there's a strain of rna, like dna and a few chemicals around it and it doesn't live long. it can live a few hours in the right conditions, possibly a few days. >> it seems weird it's just spreading like wildfire when such a delicate virus and dies out in the sun. >> so in africa you're dealing with people untreated, unisolated and therefore will have high loads of virus shedding in bodily fluids rapidly. it's not spreading -- that's why it's spreading rapidly in west africa. not spreading rapidly in america. we are exposing people when we don't need to be. >> third, i want to talk about the transport of patients. we've talked about the surfaces,
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the cleanup, the video of dr. kent brantley arriving in the united states and heading into emory hospital for treatment. he is fully hazmat. he's the second person on the left walking in, being aided as he walks in on his own, but completely suited up. as is the care giver coming out of the ambulance. there is the picture of sergeant monnig, being brought into the hospital, he's wearing what looks like an exam gown, surgical mask, gloves, hat, bare legs and i mean we've all heard that sweat is a bodily fluid. i'm not sure i understand the logic ins the differences between the transport of these two potential, again he's a potential victim, not a confirmed case, but could have been a case. >> that's -- the logic is right there. one of them we absolutely knew had ebola and gets treated in that way and then you try and risk stratify people. if we suspect someone of having ebola in a hospital you don't put them in a hazmat suit. you isolate them in a negative pressure room or room on their own and get people to barrier them with gowns and gloves.
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the cdc is not recommending hazmat suits for anyone carrying the ebola. >> what's the difference? i hate to say this. what is the difference between someone who is suspected of having ebola, we don't know yet, and someone who does, ultimately when you could catch it, if they have it? >> i think this -- >> is that a crazy question? feels like this would be natural. >> so i think once you suspect that he's got ebola, it's reasonable to transport him in exactly the same way you transported the other people who you knew had ebola. in terms of the nursing and hazmat suits he is fairly well protected from shedding virus. he hasn't got symptoms, the gown is probably adequate protection. the standard is difference and the concern is part of the concern is can you get people into hazmat suit or move him more quickly. generally it does not seem there is a clear set of protocols to be followed. >> very confusing. you're full of great information and really appreciate that. thank you so much. and by the way, if you have
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won we first showed you video of police officers tasing the passenger in the front seat it stirred up a huge debate not just with our panel but on-line as well. this happened september 249s after a routine traffic stop for a seat belt violation. the family is suing the city and suing the local police they allege excessive force in this instance. i want you to see that moment for yourself before we go any further in this discussion. >> going to get shot by the police. >> oh,. >> that was crazy. >> it's -- without question this is hard to watch. whenever you hear children crying like that and people who fear each other and that's a big part of this because both sides said that they had feared for
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their safety in this incident on that afternoon. both sides say it. two children were in the back seat of the vehicle and they ares also named in the lawsuit. a whole family talked to don lemon last night to tell us what happened from their point of view. >> he went from the left to the right. i didn't know which way to pull over. i said oh, my god he's pulling me over like i robbed a bank. when he came to the car, he asked me for my identification. he was pacing, he was moving around, making frowns on his face and i also told him, i said can you give -- i asked him why was i being pulled over. he told me i didn't my seat belt on. i said can you give me my seat belt ticket because my mom is at the hospital and i have to see her because she's dying. and he said, yes. i'll give it to you as soon as i get the passenger's identification. >> after he asked me for my i.d.
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i didn't have it on me. i told him i have to get it out of my book bag that's in the back of the car. i asked my stepson to get my book bag from the back. i better show it to him for my information. once i got my ticket out of my book bag he didn't want to receive it at that moment. >> he gave me the ticket and i passed it out of the sun roof window. they didn't want it. they said they just wanted us to get out of the car. now, when we said no, we was not getting out of the car, that's when he went and got the spikes and put it under the tires. so i'm really nervous at this point. he putting -- why are you putting spikes under my tires. i never not once moved that vehicle. >> once they asked to get out of the vehicle and they had their weapons drawn she wasn't going to get out of the vehicle, i felt harm on my family so i wasn't going to leave my family out of the car.
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and leave them in the car when they have their weapons drawn. i felt to protect my family i would stay in the vehicle. >> i started videotaping it when the window shattered i was scared, but that's what gave me the courage to keep videotaping it because i was scared and i knew if we took this to court, we had something to fight against them because police have more power than us. in the video it shows. >> that's their side of the story. obviously the police have their side and their perspective as well. much of that you will ultimately be public because they had cameras rolling too. but in another incident, like a story that developed last night where a young black teenager was shot dead by police who say they were shot at, look at the
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so before the break you heard the family's side of the story in that incident in indiana where the police smashed the window, tased the passenger in fronts of kids. the police have five-minute dash cam video and audio recordings made by another officer who was at the scene and that video has not yet been released. susan candiotti has the department's response and also looks into prior accusations of excessive force against some of the same officers. >> reporter: hammond's mayor stands by his 200 member police force, 20% of his officers are minorities. in a statement the police department says the officers were following procedure. by not keeping his hands in plain sight and going into a backpack, officers' safety was threatened. the officer who smashes the window i dent fight as
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lieutenant patrick vikari. records show he's been sued twice for excessive forcep. in 2007 court papers say the plaintiff suffered permanent brain injury. the case settled. in 2008 the family accuses the same officer of putting a chokehold on a child during a traffic stop. that family also settles out of court. a second officer involved in this incident was sued in 2003 for offensive contact. the outcome is unknown. neither officer could be reached by cnn. now another family is suing the city, accusing officers they went too far. susan candiotti, cnn, new york. >> in st. louis, meanwhile, the outrage is familiar but the circumstances of last night's killing of a black 18-year-old teenager by a white police officer are very different from the michael brown case in ferguson in two key respects.
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one, this young man police say had a gun and two, they say he fired it first. >> the suspect pointed the gun at the officer and fired at least three rounds at the police officer. we believe this to be true because there are three pro jek tiles we recovered with trajectories towards the officer down the hill and one piece of ballistic evidence behind the officer. >> the officer had been moonlighting for a security firm, wearing his police uniform and he had the okay from the police when he was doing this work. while he was working, he came across a group of young men who police sagan to run away as he approached. they had a testle. an officer and one of the men. as the police say, one of the men turned on the officer, broke away and pulled his gun and opened fire. three times according to the police. the police apparently fired back
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17 times. the teenager who died had a lawyer who's identifying him as vonderrit deon dre myers. police are not releasing names but the teenager i'm going to quote them no stranger to law enforcement. these two cases are legal issues, but they are also part of a very big social issue, one that is spiraling as well. some say out of control. a lot of people are becoming more fearful of the police, the police say their hands are being tied, that they can't even do their work. so where is there going to be a meeting of the minds, especially when protests like this break out, after a teenager with a gun fires at police? and by the way, damaging vehicles, why wasn't anyone arrested in that's next? [ female announcer ] we lowered her fever. you raise her spirits. we tackled your shoulder pain. you make him rookie of the year.
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it is a problem that we are seeing more and more since michael brown shooting in ferguson, missouri, where people are growing more afraid of police, they say, and the police say they're growing more afraid of people. i want to bring in legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson and cedric alexander the president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives. dr. alexander, let me begin with you, if i could. there is this prevailing thought, it seems, especially among the black community who may be fearful of police, and probably for good reason, certainly the medias has not helped out in terms of what they've been seeing a lot of lately, that they can say no to a police officer when a police officer asks for some kind of compliance, show me i.d. get out of the vehicle, get on the sidewalk. can you clear it up what is all of our responsibility no matter what when a police officer asks us to do something. >> i don't know if i can clear it up for you, but i can
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hopefully provide some insight so we can all start thinking about this. it is clear and evident over the last couple of months, post-the michael brown shooting, in particular, we've seen a number of incidents of police and community interactions that have not been of what we would prefer to see and certainly have created some ps pause in regards to who was right, who was wrong. that's not going to be determined on a segment of two minutes of your news. here's what concerns me. there's an emerging fear that is constantly growing with the police and the community, the community at large across this country is becoming more and more fearful of their local police and police quite frankly is becoming somewhat reluctant in the community and supporting back at them. we've seen clear incidents here, certainly that are of a grave concern. we can go to the south carolina
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shooting for an example where the officer told the gentleman get in his car and shot him. that is clearcut, something that should not have happened but it did. the state of south carolina did what it should have done, took immediate action. the problem becomes is that one thing we have to convey to the public and it's important we do it, at the end of the day we must comply with police. they are the authority. they're those that represent the laws that have been written governed and taken out or have to be abide by i should say. let me say this, we must comply with authority. we cannot just say, i'm not going to get out of the car. i'm not going to pull over because it's night. i'm not going to let you into my home. i'm not going to talk to you. we cannot do that in our society. so what i would encourage more than anything else, anything else, that every community across this country, every village, tribal community, big city, big towns, large, small,
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whatever the case may be, you need to be sitting with your local police, police need to be sitting with that community, talking about what are those fears and concerns so they can begin to talk through this. what we have is emerging fear of police and community and real quick here, last night, here in my county, dekalb county, georgia, wonderful county, wonderful citizens, law abiding citizens, and we have challenges just like any other community, but let me say this, i'm sitting there, it's public safety direct in front of 100 people, people that are there as single parents, those that are two parent families, have their young children with them, and the questions that they're asking, they should not be asking. should i pull over if i'm stopped by the police. should i step outside of the car if i'm stopped by the price. >> bottom line, people need to know you don't have the option of complying with police officers and often the only result is a bad escalation.
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joey jackson, i want to take you to another kind of instance wheres last night police say they shot a black teenager after three teenagers ran from an officer. there was a scuffle and a gun emerged and shots were fired. the police officers respond by firing back. and the protests that emerged afterwards supported the teenager with the gun who shot at police. in fact, the protests were violent. they damaged police vehicles. at one point there were extraordinarily menacing moments where the police chief said he was happy that his officers had shown, quote, a tremendous amount of restraint. i'm just trying to understand at what point does the legitimate movement about treating people with respect out in the street, lose its legitimacy because isn't that exactly what the police were supposed to do when an armed teenager shoot at them? >> you know, ashleigh, it's a wonderful point. what happens is that every given
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case has to be assessed and judged by the facts of this case. it speaks to a broader issue and that is the community is not accepting the explanation that's being provided. why? because there's a mistrust there. because there's -- i don't believe you, just because you said so, and so if there was a dial dialog, a relationship, if there was a respect, if there was a trust, perhaps members of the community would accept the notion that perhaps the police acted properly in the event that the officer was actually shot at. but the police and the community, they're not willing to accept that on face value based upon everything that has occurred. it's about courtesy. it's about professionalism. it's about respect. and until and unless there's a dialog between the community, between the police, and it's not us against them, because when it's us against them, nobody benefits. when police and community act cooperatively, everybody benefits, ashleigh, but the criminals. why? because now the community is working cooperatively with the police to determine who those
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criminals are and root them out of the community. but when you have people, not wanting to show i.d. not wanting to stop, not wanting to get out because they're fearful of their life, i can't get out, the cop might shoot me, he may kill me and my family, that's a problem, ashleigh, when you have to reassess and otherwise evaluate a broader discussion that we need to have because everyone is in it together. >> amen. you both hit the nail on the head in this debate and this conversation and this frustration. it's a national frustration and the only way is through talking to each other, not screaming at each other or throwing things or shooting at each other. cedric and joey, thank you. >> please come back and let's have this conversation again. so appreciate it. >> coming up, i have breaking news for you. dow taking a huge plunge, down 274 points, what is behind this? the story is coming up next, breaking.
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don't look at your 401(k) today. the dow is plummeting. aileyson kosik what's going on? >> we are seeing the dow down more than 200 points and fluctuations, volatility over the past several days on tuesday we saw the dow down on wednesday we saw it go up 200 and then today we are seeing it go down again, 259 points. a lot of uncertainty going on. first and foremost, what's driving the sell-off in the
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uncertainty is the fact you're seeing the economies in europe slow down, everywhere from the u.k. to germany to italy. that's causing a lot of concern, especially since we're on the cusp of third quarter earning season which begins -- which actually began yesterday. the worry is that the slow down in europe will seep over into u.s. companies and affect the u.s. economy as well. >> it drives me crazy when you say things like that. economies don't just happen in an hour. you had some warning this was happening. we'll keep -- would you keep us updated and let us know if anything changes. >> will do. u.s. air force b1 bomber circling in the sky over the syrian turkish border, shortly afterwards, take a look this. explosions, thick black smoke rising from the city of kobani. we don't know what it is exactly that's burning, but it's big. monitors on the ground say allied air strikes killed more than 20 isis militants today and that the city is about one third under isis control right now. which means two-thirds not under
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isis control. american involvement in kobani is only air strikes. the ground fight against isis is, well, going to be left to someone else, presumably the kurdish folks. retired colonel james reese our global affairs analyst with me now. little known fact about you, sir, you were -- it was your squadron that captured saddam hussein. >> i was part of the element. >> that was you in the spider hole. >> absolutely. >> i wanted to say that because i didn't know that about your past. you know a lot about these areas. i keep hearing kobani is going to fall. well only one third is under control. hasn't fallen yet. does that mean anything. >> it does. one i think the air strikes continue to do damage to isis. i think what you also have right now is something we call the unblinking eye. persistence intelligence, isr, everything we can put on that to see what isis is doing. the unblinking eye. we never stop blinking. you heard in the reports that they were -- they moved formations, isis moved formations in over the night. we see that we're able to target
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it. >> but why aren't the formations actually being targeted while there are big groups of people? are they moving formations in unique ways too difficult to spot at night some. >> they do. at nighttime they'll move in by video single vehicles you may not be able to get a complete view of what it is. they'll consolidate and then when the daylight comes, they'll begin their attack and that's where you get 20 isis killed, so probably a platoon that was destroyed. >> i was going to say, the plume of smoke and we'll do this quickly, about out of time, but that plume of smoke we were showing from the allied air strikes moments ago we don't know what building is or buildings are, but look when you see something like that, you can't assume that there aren't civilians somewhere close by. >> well, i don't think you have civilians right there right now. i think that was a targeted aspect by the coalition forces. most of the civilians have pulled out. >> hoping to god whoever on the ground said this is a safe spot bomb away was telling the truth some. >> again, remember, we have some great technology. we have eyes in the sky that can see these things to help those
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pilots up there from all the coalition and target those things and drop bombs pretty precisely. >> so what's next? i mean, i keep wondering are we going to hear from the turks at any point where they're going to finally say i just can't have this and just last line on it? >> turks have a moral obligation to do this. i don't care what their issues are with the kurds over the last 40, 50 years. they have a moral obligation, part of nato, they need to get in and help. >> always good to see you. and thank you for your service. >> thank you, ma'am. >> do appreciate it. >> thank you for watching. my colleague wolf starts after a short break. hi, i'm henry winkler
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