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next week starting sunday on cnn. turning the cameras on ourselves for once. thanks for watching cnn money, we're here every saturday at 2:00 p.m. eastern so set your dvr. have a great weekend, everybody. good afternoon. you are in the cnn newsroom. i'm ana cabrera. thank you so much for joining us. witnesses say at least three bombs went off today in baghdad. dozens of people are reportedly dead or injured and we're working our sources there in baghdad for more details. in the meantime we do know cnn teams are on the outskirts of the city say iraqi forces have beefed up their defenses in light of isis attacks on the capital. so far isis militants have not made it inside baghdad in significant numbers. but elsewhere in iraq, just west of baghdad, leaders there want u.s. troops, boots on the ground, and they want them immediately. their desperate plea is to stop
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the violence advance of isis in anbar province. meanwhile in syria isis fighters are stepping up their assault on kobani and officials say the situation is more grave than ever. and listen to this united nations official the special envoy to syria and what he believes will happen to the people of kobani if isis is not stopped. >> we know, we have seen it, what isil is capable of doing when they take over a city. we know what they are capable of doing with their own victims, with women, children, minorities. this is the last entry point or exit point which you have. if this falls, the 12,000 people, civilians, apart from the fighters, will be most likely massacred. >> massacred he says.
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so far only kurdish forces have been fighting in kobani and no turkish troops despite the location on the border. turkish officials are being pressured from inside and outside that country to get involved militarily. to baghdad first, our senior international correspondent ben wedeman is there. about the bombs there in baghdad. what more can you tell us about what has happened and how many people may be dead or hurt? >> reporter: well, the first bomb went off this morning and two more this evening with a total of probably more than 45 dead. many more than that wounded. and this is really the pattern we've been seeing over the last few days. almost every day multiple car bombs. in no case is there any claim of responsibility for those car bombs but this has been a persistent cause of concern for iraqi security officials, that in addition to the looming threat of isis on the outskirts
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of baghdad and also taking over 80% of anbar province, that isis is using sleeper cells within the city to essentially sow terror. as far as the situation outside of baghdad goes, it still remains grave and seems to be getting worse. today we learned that one of the major towns on the euphrates river to the northwest of here has been completely is your rounded by isis, cut off from any form of supply or support by the iraqi army. what's also significant is that haditha is at the head of a very large dam on the euphrates, so that's another critical point that isis is in danger of taking over. earlier this summer, coalition aircraft did prevent isis from taking that dam, but as we've seen, these coalition strikes are of only limited utility. they don't seem to have stopped isis from taking continuously
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large expanses of anbar province which, of course, is iraq's largest province. >> so, ben, just bring us up to speed because we've heard now 80% of anbar proveince is in th hands of the isis fighters. how close, how far from city limits is that? >> reporter: well, baghdad is a huge city, 9 million is a sort of conservative estimate. it's a sprawling city. for the most part isis is not anywhere near the center of the city. they are on the western outskirts, about 20 miles from here essentially. they are only about eight miles, however, from baghdad international airport. we have had the opportunity to go out to the defensive perimeter of baghdad and see how iraqi forces are operating in that area. typically they show you what they want you to see and what we
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saw was well-armed troops with fairly high morale but that was only the tip of the iceberg. in reality we understand that the iraqi army suffers from a high level of absenteeism that many soldiers pay their commanding officers so they can go back home and not serve on the front lines. there's a lot of corruption and a lot of incompetence that seems to be undermining any sort of confidence among u.s. officials and among many iraqis that the iraqi army can actually put up a viable defense of baghdad. ana? >> especially concerning considering no troops on the ground is still how the u.s. is proceeding. thank you so much, ben wedeman. do stay safe out there. michael daily is here and also here is robert mcfadden the interrogation expert with the sufan group. turkey so reluctant to get into
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the fight and yet their location is right there on the border. we're hearing the fighters taking over kobani which means they could control a huge chunk of the border, why is turkey, do you think, robert, so reluctant to get involved? >> there's three things saying it needs to get involved across border. one is a buffer zone on the syrian side of the border and a parallel no fly zone and arming and equipping and training the so-called moderate rebel elements. there's another part of it, though, too, very complicated political landscape. the most effective elements on the syrian side is the pkk which is implaquebly opposed and at odds with the turkish government so the things are tending to keep the turks on their side of the border. >> because kobani we know is predominantly kurdish and there's been the internal fight in turkey between the kurdish party and the turkish government about who controls what so
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there's dynamics working there. what leverage does turkey have at this point, michael, for not getting boots on the ground to defend their territory? >> from their point of view, first of all, as he was saying, i don't think there's a kurd fan club in the turkish government, you know, they've been banging at each other for a long time and it probably doesn't break the hearts of some people in the turkish army to see these guys getting a bloody nose from isis. and from their point of view, they are defending their territory. i mean, their tanks are on turkish territory. their tanks -- they may feel that, listen, we don't have to go into syria and they may look at isis and look at syria and iraq and figure, you know, that's one mess we don't have to be on as long as we keep ourselves secure. if there was something going on in mexico we'd probably be at the rio grande but we wouldn't necessarily feel constraneld to go down in guadalajara or something. >> i have to wonder, we talked about the turkish hostages that were released by isis.
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do you think, robert, that this could have something to do with the hostage release and has turkey made a deal with isis not to do something more? >> there's an awful lot of speculation about that. we don't know the details whatever the arrangement was. the way the turkish government characterized it, it was an intelligence operation, 49 diplomatic personnel released from the turkish side. but reports of 180 or more of isis fighters may have been released. there may have also been speculation some kind of quid pro quo about turkey which still hasn't officially signed up to be a member of the coalition, although there is some agreement and support. so this speaks to another really big part of what's going on right now. the coalition at large priorities really are different depending on which country you're talking about and how it feels vis-a-vis isis. turkey is a real big example of that. its priority all along is the al
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assad regime going not so much right now at least isis. >> and isis continuing to gain strength, michael, not only is turkey at risk, the border with turkey and syria but now we're talking about baghdad and iraq being at risk, the fact that anbar province is being taken over by isis, now controlling 80% of that and we've heard reports that isis has instructed some 10,000 of its fighters to go into anbar. so, what does that say about isis' strength and is isis having an upper hand at this point against the international coalition. >> you know a lot more about it than me, but i have to say from an outsider looking at it from brooklyn, they are very motivated. they have military leadership thanks to the former sue dam hussein guys. they've been at war for a dozen years now and before that they were fighting with iran, so i mean, these are people that know something about shooting people.
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>> any thoughts? >> absolutely agree with that completely. but there's a big development this week, though, the kind of relatively kobani reporting was a little bit more back page news but isis for the first time really kind of went after a hard area within anbar province where it would expect a fight. it actually hit and has done operations in the very heart of the sunni heartland within anbar province with a sunni awakening was actually took place. so, there's some indications that it's going for areas where before it would hit softer underbellies and vulnerable spots but now it's showing an inclination to go after harder targets. >> shias and now sunnis as well. >> it will continue to do that, it was probing in areas -- before it was avoiding areas where it would likely get a hard fight. not right now. >> interesting. thank you to you both for coming in. we'll continue our conversation and, again, this is a developing situation still this afternoon. thanks to both of you coming up in an effort to
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keep ebola, our other big international crisis right now, out of the general public jfk airport here in new york today became the first in the u.s. to begin screening passengers coming from three west african countries. we'll take you there live. plus, a weekend of resistance as hundreds of protesters gather in st. louis. their goal next. when folks think about what they get from alaska,
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airports, atlanta, washington, atlanta and newark will start the same procedures next week. the goal is to stop the virus from being spread into the u.s. from what's now being called the ebola zone in west africa. >> the new entry screening procedure is just one part of a multilayered approach. >> as part of that approach hundreds of u.s. troops are starting their work in west africa. building treatment clinics, aiming to stop the problem over there. according to the world health organization more than 4,000 people have already died from ebola, more than 8,000 have been stricken with the disease. let's get more on these new protocols at jfk airport. cnn's alison kosik is there. allis allison, fill us in on the new procedures and how they are going over. >> reporter: customs and border protection is actually playing a big role in the new protocol and they released some still pictures that i want to show you as i tell you what is happening here. what's interesting is it does
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seem like a normal day. one thing to keep in mind only 150 passengers total usually fly from the hot zones, guinea, sierra leone and liberia only 150 per day fly from there to the u.s. so cdc officials say it's really not disruptive to have these screenings at the airport, that most people may not even notice, ana. >> all right, alison kosik, and remind us before i let you go, what exactly is happening as part of those procedures that they are now under going. >> reporter: so any passengers that come from those countries that i just mentioned are going to be screened. so what's going to happen is they will be taken to a designated area. their temperatures are going to be taken. they're going to be asked questions about their travel. did they have any contact with someone who may have been sick with ebola. if all checks out they'll be asked to leave their contact information and also they'll be asked to log their temperatures themselves on the honor system for 21 days. and if there are any red flgs
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they'll go ahead and take them to a quarantine area and have a cdc official look more close i had at that passenger. even the cdc as it starts these screening procedures here in this country, even the cdc says this process is not foolproof. here's what one official said earlier. >> no matter how many of these procedures are put into place, we can't get the risk to zero. that will not be the case. but this additional layer should add a measure of security and assurance to the american public. this entry screening procedure, for example, would not necessarily have caught the patient in dallas as indicated. >> reporter: and just by having these screenings at the five u.s. airports the other four, by the way, will begin on thursday, but just by having these screenings, ana, the cdc hopes to screen 94% of those who travel from the ebola hot zone here to the u.s. ana? >> thank you, alison kosik at
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jfk airport this afternoon. zima has been talked a lot about the fight against ebola, the treatment credited with saving the lives of the two m h americans who had it, so why didn't thomas duncan get it before he died? for over a decade,
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miracle drug. the experimental treatment that was shown to be successful in two ebola patients earlier this summer but why wasn't it used in dallas patient thomas duncan? cnn's randi kaye explains the complexities of making zmapp. >> reporter: there is no federally approved treatment and no vaccine for ebola so the world is pinning its hopes on a drug cocktail called zmapp. it had only been tested successfully on monkeys before being used to save the lives of two american missionaries this summer. the experimental treatment is the result of a collaboration between san diego-based mapp biopharmaceutical and two other companies. here's how zmapp is made. first a genetically virus is introduced in a tobacco plant, the tobacco plant can produce enough antibodies for dozens of doses. the zmapp given to the missionaries in august was apparently made from tobacco leaves at a facility in
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kentucky. >> as the plant starts turning yellow because it's going to die from the viral infection, once you see that the mant has gotten to that point the guys in kentucky harvest the leaf material. >> reporter: cloned humanized antibodies are separated from the plant. purified and turned into doses. in a patient those antibodies attach themselves to ebola's harmful kres and destroy the virus. the trouble is the whole process takes time as long as six months per dose. and there's another reason the supply of zmapp has already run dry. lack of funding for government agencies focused on biodefense. last year the cdc lost $13 million in biodefense budget cuts and the budget for the national institute of health was reduced by 5%. >> they're right now manufacturing additional lots. it probably won't be ready now until maybe a month and a half to two months. >> reporter: help is on the way
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now. just this year the u.s. department of health and human services provided nearly $25 million in funding to zmapp's manufacturer. but for those who need it now, there's fear it had been too little, too late. randi kaye, cnn, new york. and because zmapp isn't widely available so far ebola patients outside of africa are now being treated with a variety of methods. everything from what people are hoping to be miracle drugs to the blood of ebola survivors. thomas duncan was treated with a drug not specifically designed for ebola and he ultimately died. the freelance photographer in omaha is getting the same nonspecific ebola drug along with a blood transfusion from dr. ken brantly an ebowl la survivor. the patient in spain is being treated with a drug not formulated for ebola and we've seen her condition worsen at
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least as the week has gone on. we're holding out hope in that case. let me bring back specialist dr. celine gounder. what do you think is the smartest choice? to go with a drug that may work in other viruses and hope it will work in ebola but we know it's pretty safe for people or go with something that hasn't been widely tested in humans but is designed for ebola? >> well, that depends to some degree on the specific scenario, specific patient decision as well as the treating medical team. a couple things i would say, however, is that in addition to what you and randi have explained, there's another drug called tkm ebola that was also given to richard sacra and why that ebola-specific drug, granted it's experimental, but it's also a promising drug like zmapp why that was not offered to thomas eric duncan, that to me is perplexing. >> well, and that's not the same drug being offered either to the photographer still battling the
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illness in nebraska but it was dr. sacra in nebraska where he was being treated when he got that treatment. is that one at this point also just not available do you think? >> no. that i have not heard any reports of tkm ebola not being available. part of what i'm getting at some have questioned did thomas eric duncan get a lower level of medical care because he was liberian and because he didn't have health insurance. i would argue that's not really the case at least with respect to experimental drugs. ashoka mukpo is not getting tkm ebola either. >> real quick before i let you go from this segment. obviously there are a lot of questions regarding ebola, so many people are talking about it. but to wrap up the treatment side of things with zmapp as randi mentioned in her piece funding is an issue. do you think that's going to change? >> even if you inject a lot of funding into development and production of zmapp now, it still takes time to ramp up. so one of the things people need to understand when you cut funding for the nih or other
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kinds of research and development, it takes a long time to recover from that because you have to reinvest, re-recruit people, develop the systems and it's not something that happens overnight. >> unfortunately, all right, dr. gounder, thanks so much. stick around with us so we can chat more about ebola later. back to iraq and syria. despite the nearly 400 air strikes against isis, the terrorist group is still advancing into the city of kobani in syria and edging closer to baghdad in iraq. ahead we will look at the situation in both cities. and the iraq's government plea for help from u.s. forces. [ female announcer ] you get sick, you can't breathe through your nose... suddenly you're a mouth breather. a mouth breather! how do you sleep like that? you dry up, your cold feels even worse. well, put on a breathe right strip and shut your mouth. cold medicines open your nose over time, but add a breathe right strip, and pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more so you can breathe and do the one thing you want to do.
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about levemir® flextouch. covered by nearly all health insurance and medicare plans. the u.s. ambassador to iraq has received now an urgent request from iraqi officials in anbar province for immediate intervention. ambassador stuart jones promised weapons and training but he made no commitment on u.s. ground forces. cnn national security correspondent jim sciutto looks at the dire situation both in kobani, syria, as well as iraq's anbar province near baghdad. >> reporter: isis militants now in the very center of kobani. undeterred by the u.s.-led air campaign isis fighters are advancing. and now control almost half of the city. even as coalition warplanes unleashed another day of punishing air strikes, making kobani now the second most
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bombed target in syria or iraq, u.s. officials continue to warn that kobani and many other cities may still fall. >> there will be situations that are tragic like kobani. there are other kobanis in syria and in iraq as we speak. kobani is getting a lot of focus because it's on the border. the world can see it. what we can do is bring to bear our air power with other countries, intelligence, training and quicken these forces but they have to be the ones on the ground. >> reporter: kobani say u.s. officials very visible but not very important strategically. anbar province just to the west of baghdad in iraq is largely the opposite. largely invisible to outsiders but crucial to the safety of the capital. there iraqi forces are on the defensive backed up against the wall said one senior defense official. with some units now in danger of being cut off. and isis said another defense official continues to make gains.
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traveling in south america the secretary of defense said the anbar situation is concerning. >> anbar provine is in trouble. we know that. the united states and coalition partners are helping and assisting the iraqi security forces, the kurds, as i have said, the president has said, all of our senior officials have said, this is a difficult effort. it is going to take time. it won't be easy. so, yes, there is a lot of uncertainty in anbar right now. >> reporter: with the campaign facing grave early challenges, the u.s.-led coalition today gained a crucial ally. turkey announced said it will help train and equip the moderate syrian rebels. a decision reached between the two nato allies. turkey is also considering the possibility of deploying ground troops.
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one crucial piece still missing from the broader campaign against isis. >> i know they talked about ground troops. we're having a conversation with them about what that might look like and what role they can play broadly including that. >> our jim sciutto, thanks to you. let's head to turkey now and jamie debtmer of the daily beast is there. describe the situation on the ground there, right now. >> around kobani where i've spent most of the day it's actually quiet today partly because there was a sandstorm shrouding the city so we didn't have anywhere near as many air strikes today as yesterday. there were some this morning and again this seeevening. what was interesting yesterday night all hell let loose. we heard heavy automatic weaponry. the attacks by the u.s. as well. it was a real noise. and a lot of us thought the city was going to fall last night. they lost government buildings
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the cuddish defenders in the center of town. but they are hanging on today. what i hear from sources inside is that really they are only controlling the kurdish defenders about a third of the town. they are backed up in the west central area and towards the turk icial border to the north and isis is pushing them hard. there was a lot of gunfire this evening but, again, as i said not as much as we saw yesterday and there is certainly some confidence amongst some of the turk i turkish that they can somehow hang on. we find that, most observers, hard to believe and one european diplomat said to me last night as far as he's concerned in effect kobani is already lost. one very interesting thing to note today the turkish emergency agency afd really has withdrawn most of their people from the main border entry point as they they are expecting no one else to come across. >> so, are they worried that
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that's going to happen? >> sorry, who is worried? >> is turkey worried that these isis fighters are going to cross the border into turkey? >> no, i don't think they are. another very noticeable thing is there are a lot less turkish soldiers around on the border now. the riot police have all gone because they're trying to control kurdish protests across southeast turkey. and one major thing to note about all these tanks about 30 on one hill and about 40, 50 turkish tanks around here, they've not no logistical backup. they can't move. there's no refueling tankers around and no armored infantry to back them up if they move forward. they're not in a posture that one would say is a defensive one because they think isis is coming across the border. >> what an interesting dynamic there. jamie dettmer, do stay safe. and thanks for filling us in. >> pleasure.
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army officer lieutenant colonel james reese. so, let's begin with you, michael, tell us a little bit more about the unusual complaints of al liby. >> well, he's filed an affidavit in manhattan federal court where he's presently facing charges for complicity in the embassy bombings in africa and he's basically saying that the poor guy, he didn't have a bed. he had to knock on the door to use the toilet. he didn't even have a dining nca nook. he had to eat in his cell. they kept asking him questions. i got to say you read it and the one thing that comes out to you is that -- and in court the judge at one point said as i understand no one laid on the hand on this man from the time he got grabbed until the time he appeared in court. that's true. >> he's not complaining about excessive force being used or being tortured. >> he was saying i didn't get all the rights that i was
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supposed to get from america, the guy that called us the great satan. to me it was a great measure of where we are now because i think we were so enraged and hurt by what happened at the trade center that we kind of forgot ourselves a little bit for a while and i think this guy was not tortured, he was not abused, he was not waterboarded, he was not taken to some secret place. he was tried as a criminal. going to be tried as a criminal and treated as a guy who got arrested for a crime. they sat on him and nobody hurt him. >> let's bring in colonel reese who was a delta force member. what is the protocol for delta force when capturing a target like al liby? >> just like michael said, he wrote delta is the masters and the best in the world at doing this. al liby should pray to god and thank god that he got captured by delta. because if not he probably would have been killed by any other force that came in.
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>> colonel reese, you listen to what his complaints are and some may think, gosh, he was treated pretty darn good considering what he's accused doing. >> delta, this is what they do. they do this around the world. they are the jason bournes of the u.s. they come in and they snatch this guy. we call it a capture, kill mission. and we want to capture these guys for their intelligence. then we move them out very quickly. we don't want to do collateral damage, again, like being a ghost. they go in, they go out, and they snatch them. once they get him to some type of holding platform and this one was a ship, he got to the ship and we know through the years of doing this now that these guys are trained, al qaeda, isis, any of these folks especially senior leadership, they are trained in deception. so, we don't want to make them comfortable, but at the same time it's our job now to work with the interrogators, with the fbi, with the cia, to let them do our job and then our job's
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finished. >> when you talk about the delta force, i had to ask during the break so what exactly is the delta force? is it essentially the navy's s.e.a.l. team 6 equivalent but with the army? >> well, it is the nation's tier one counterterrorism force that started out of desert one, that was the first counterterrorism force and then as time moved on and s.e.a.l. team 6 came about and now you have the two tier one forces. but the reason you don't hear that much about them is that's how good they are. >> well, good to hear about that. michael daly, before i let you go. what happens next in the case of al liby? >> you know, he will appear in court. he'll be tried. a jury will listen to the charges and he'll be treated just the way he should be treated in the -- it's america at its best. it really is. these delta guys are america's best when they do what they do and the way the criminal justice system is going to handle him is america at its best. it really is. >> good way to end the segment. michael daly and colonel reese,
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thank you very much for joining me. just this week the first u.s. patient diagnosed with ebola tied in a dallas hospital, the hospital that sent him home complaining of ebola-like symptoms. can his family take legal action? we'll discuss that. but, first a sneak peek at "parts unknown" where anthony bourdain finds a hangover cure in paraguay. >> so, i'm hungry. i'm really hungry. >> you know you want it. it's late, you've had a few. no, you've had a lot. you want something greasy, savory, juicy and nasty. this is it the legendary meal. >> right. that's what today's people eat in the streets. >> and egg a little runny. a meat-like beef patty thing. throw on your lettuce and
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hospital could have done more and whether it could face legal action from duncan's family. let me bring in criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor holly hughes and joining us infect, disease specialist dr. celine gounder. what would the family need to prove to have a case against the hospital regarding his treatment and ultimately his death? >> they would have to prove gross negligence and the hospital violated a basic standard of care. when you are talking about experts with specialized knowledge with doctors, nurses, lawyers in some instances, they are held to a higher standard, but what's going to be become really important, ana, what did they know and when did they know it. while we may see a lawsuit filed, i don't believe they're going to be successful because i think the hospital will be able to prove that they took every reasonable standard of care that was expected of them. >> i want to read the hospital's response to all of this, the dallas hospital that treated duncan does maintain it did
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everything it could to treat him and so their statement to cnn reads -- texas health presbyterian hospital dallas continues closely review and evaluate the chain of events related to the first ebola virus diagnosis in the united states. at the same time we have made changes to our intake process as well as other procedures to better screen for all critical indicators of ebola virus. doctor, we know that there may have been some mistakes made, for example, they sent him home when he first came to the hospital despite the fact he had a fever, despite the fact that he apparently told the health care professionals who were seeing him that he had been from liberia or was in west africa and then, you know, he wasn't treated right away. his family argues with any kind of blood transfusion, never got that. wasn't given a drug of some experimental type for several days after he was in the hospital. did the hospital set itself up for potential legal action? >> i think the key mistake here was the delay in his diagnosis and treatment. with ebola timing is everything. you really need to start
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treatment as soon as possible. and i think that's one of the reasons kent brantly and nancy writebol who were aware of their exposures and knew what symptoms to look out for and sought medical attention immediately upon developing symptoms they had better outcomes so that was a key error in this case. with respect to blood transfusions kent brantly donated to blood to the other patients and that was not the case here because he was not a match to thomas eric duncan. >> i saw his nephew arguing they are flying people back from africa, from west africa, couldn't they have flown blood back from west africa to treat this individual? >> yeah, there's other issues at stake there. you also have to screen the blood for hiv, hepatitis "b" and "c" and other blood-borne diseases so it's not quite such a simple procedure. >> thanks to both of you. a weekend of resistance as hundreds of protesters gather in
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st. louis. what's the goal here? and do they have a point? we'll discuss next.
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i'm ana cabrera in new york. you are in a special edition of the "cnn newsroom" and over the next 30 minutes we'll discuss the relationship between law enforcement and the communities they serve and at what point did it come to this. >> reporter: the weekend of resistance under way in missouri. protesters speaking out about what they call an epidemic of police violence facing minority communities. all brought to a head by the killing of michael brown in ferguson this summer. since then there have been similar cases all across the country. >> can i see your license please. >> get out of the car, get out of the car! >> reporter: in south carolina a state trooper opens fire at an unarmed black man at a traffic stop. >> what you going to do, son? are you hit? >> i think so.
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i can't feel my leg. i don't know what happened. >> reporter: in indiana a standoff between police and the passengers inside the car they pulled over ends like this. >> no! >> i'm not the operator of this vehicle so you -- if you do that -- >> all right i'm not the operator of this vehicle so if you do that -- all right. >> police are getting shot by the police. >> oh! >> damn! ah, ah! >> reporter: a window smashed. one passenger tazed in front of two children sitting in the back seat. >> i told you all my kids are in the car, man. why would you all do that? >> reporter: then this in new york. a police officer stops a teen on suspicious of smoking marijuana and then punches him so hard he's knocked unconscious. >> you knocked him out! you knocked him out! >> reporter: then again in missouri. angry protests erupt after an off-duty patrolman shot and killed a black teen.
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police say he shot at them first and a weapon was found at the scene but witnesses and the family say he was just holding a sandwich. so when did police forget their maybe duty was to protect and serve the community? and when did the community forget to respect the men and women behind the badge? how often are these statements even true? joining me to discuss kevin jackson executive director of the black sphere. security special identify rashid abdul salaam, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor hol i had hughes and cnn commentator mel robbins. i want to read to you an op-ed from george o'meara. he said this, and i quote, consider the very first interactions. a cop and a young black male interact on the street and both give the other a bit of attitude. the officer gives some attitude because he's tired of getting attitude from other young men and the young man gives some attitude, well, because he's tired of getting attitude from other cops.
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now, who's at fault? this as simple as it sounds is how it starts. if you want to say the cop is at fault because he's the adult with training you are right. if you want to say the young man is at fault for disrespect or mistrust of the cop's authority, you are right. kevin, let's start with you. is this the root of the problems do you think or the dynamics at work in places like ferguson, missouri? >> well, i mean, that probably oversimplifies it a little bit. you have to understand the young man who claims that he's being harassed a lot isn't being harassed as much as the cop who is constantly dealing with the general public. i mean, his role every day is -- and day after day is to deal with people who are in some cases the worst part of our society. so, you've got to cut the police some slack in that regard. the second part of it that i think a lot of people overlook is the police become regular citizens when they're off of the police force. they become regular citizens like us. we talked to a 28-year veteran
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today who made the comment that he does exactly what we would do when he's stopped by the cops until he can make sure that they understand that he is indeed a police officer. so, it isn't a one-way street and i think that probably oversimplifies it a bit. >> okay. that makes a good point. rashid, we know this week the u.s. attorney general did call, though, for a broad review of police tactics, technique and training across the country. some have -- some police departments do you think lost touch with the communities they serve? >> well, it's apparent that there's a disconnect but there's responsibility to mend that gap on both sides. one of the things that the community can do is initiative to interface with the departments is to get involved. try to initiate a citizens review board and to connect with the departments. there are progressive cities that have this type of mechanism in place. where the police are accountable to the citizens. the citizens can give their
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input and they can make recommendations as far as applicants, as far as the disciplinary procedures, and they are -- they are being alerted and aware as to what is going on with their departments. one thing that the departments can do is they need to recruit in the minority communities. there are many departments that have the junior deputies program. the junior police cadet programs. these programs need to be initiated and introduced in middle school, before you get to the high school age. if they do these things effectively we can start to develop a dialogue and a connection between the citizens and the police department. the police departments are necessary apparatus for our society. but the participation from the community is essential as well. >> i like that we're already talking about potential solutions, but right now when you look at the situation there in st. louis, in ferguson, mel, it unfortunately appears that
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any officer-involved incident whether it was justified or not seems to intensify the tensions in that zone in particular, more protests, more violent reactions. do you think that's fair to say? >> i think you are absolutely right, ana, and i love what both gentlemen have to say and i look forward to talking about the solutions, but let's talk about the reality. and the reality is that things are at a boiling point. and you started off the segment, ana, by talking about a comment that mark o'mara made. he's a very good friend of mine in full disclosure and he and i were talking two nights ago about both of us feeling this fear that tensions are at a boiling point. not only in missouri but also around the country, where so many communities where the police are supposed to be protecting and serving are not doing that. the people are feeling profiled. they're feeling -- i mean, just look at that nauseating video
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that happened to jamal jones sitting as a passenger in a car. so, saying -- there's a lot that we can do, but i think we have to acknowledge that this is a powder keg that is ready to explode and that any incident whatsoever in particular that involves a white officer and a young african-american male and any kind of shooting or violence is going to ignite what is a very, very raw and sore subject. and, you know, you also said something, ana, that i thought was really interesting about the fact that both the officer and both the teenager are in the right and in the wrong. and what i would say is that it does come down to those moment-to-moment interactions. and in every moment you have the opportunity to either escalate a situation or deescalate it. and i think it is the police's job in every single situation to deescalate it not escalate it. >> that's correct.
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>> holly, i want to throw another curveball into this -- >> if i may interject. >> please go ahead, kevin. >> to the point of your guest there, you know, she was talking about the incident where the young man and his wife or what have you were headed to the -- supposedly headed to the hospital and the cop ended up breaking the window. if you watch that video, that cop is very professional. he asks multiple times for the young man to show his license. and i mean, i don't know how he could have done that situation any differently and finally when it got to the point where it was completely uncooperative and it went on for minutes he busted the glass and everything else happened. >> that's not true. >> i'd like to finish. there's a perfect snare joe where -- there's perfect scenario where the cop did exactly what he was supposed to do. he played it by the book. it was an uncooperative person and then he does something and everybody says, oh, that's an appalling situation. it was an appalling situation brought on by the activity of someone who very simply could
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have deescalated to use her terminology by just asking over his license and it turned out he had an ankle bracelet. >> let's get holly into this conversation, too, what's your take, holly? >> everybody makes valid points and rashid and i work together here in atlanta but one thing we haven't discussed is not only can we bring the police in and have them participate a little more with the community, but the prosecutor's office, something we do here in atlanta, we have community prosecution and we are at this point because both sides feel like they have valid points that are not being heard. so, what we have here, we have prosecutors, we have offices in those nibeighborhoods that feel disenfranchised that feel like they're not getting respected or being protected as they should and there are neighborhood planning units and there are meetings where the prosecutor, the police department, the fire department, every local agency come together and it is a safe haven for those people, the
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neighbors to come in and say, this is how we are being treated by police and we don't like it. so you can bring all of those agencies in and if people felt as if they were being herald, you may see some of these incidents reduced because they've had an opportunity to go and register their complaints, you know, this police officer is a bully on the street, or this particular person is a problem in the neighborhood. what we find with our community prosecution offices a lot of times the defendants that the police has a problem with the neighborhood has a problem with. look, we don't like him hanging out here either. so, you know, let's work together to come up with a solution so that we don't have young men feeling threatened when they're doing nothing wrong and police officers who quite frankly are putting their lives on the line every single day with an unknown quantity. >> it's an important discussion -- >> -- we need to bring everybody together. >> -- for sure that we need to continue discussing it here and in our communities.
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criminal justice issues have long been a hot topic when it comes to elections in america both national and local. but should the conversation about relations with police be part of the everyday conversation and not simply an election year talking point? let me bring back my panel now to talk about it. kevin jackson, mel robbins, we've got holly hughes and rashid abdul salaam. rashid, do you think the recent outcry that we're seeing does that show americans maybe have
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shifting attitudes towards policing and mass incarceration? >> that's an obvious shift that began with the rodney king verdict and it was continued with the o.j. simpson case. those two cases were very -- the transition of the disconnect of trust between the black community particularly and the police department is nowhere is it more obvious than in the rodney king beating and the verdict and in the investigation that occurred in the o.j. simpson case. these things, these incidents, were the hot topics where you can see the trend begin at that time. the numbers decreased from the number of minorities that got involved in police departments and these incidents have mushroomed since those two particular cases. >> holly, playing devils advoca advocate, maybe it's not just about race. i talked to several people in the greater st. louis community who say that there is a socioeconomic and an education
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divide that plays into all of this. do you think the justice system is unfairly stacked against those who are less fortunate? >> of course, it is. ana, there's no getting around it. yes, it absolutely is. and let's bear in mind, too, i know we're saying that the african-american community doesn't trust the police. but there are african-american police officers, too, a lot of whom are friends of mine, and they are just as much in fear of what is going down in the streets. and that's why we need to have these conversations and bring everybody to the table prior to these escalations. because african-american officers get shot, too, but they get shot by white kids, by black kids, by everybody so we can't just narrow it down. we need to talk about the issue on a whole and the issue is are the police acting as bullies or are they not? and if they are, what can be done to retrain them and change that attitude. because it's not just across the
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board white versus black. it is the people versus the police in a lot of these instances, ana, and that's what's frightening. >> i don't even think we're talking just about black african-american, that minority group, but really a broader minority group when you look at the hispanic population in this country. i've talked to many of those folks who feel the sort of disenfranchisement, of course, and there's also another element that's playing into all of this day and age with technology and i want to talk a little bit about the role of social media. pew research broke down twitter venues and said blacks and hispanics are more than likely than whites to use twitter and if you look at the outrage that's happened on social media fueling the fire and the movement fueling in places like st. louis or ferguson, kevin, do you think that's making a big difference and really having an impact? >> no doubt about it. here in st. louis they actually, the police had to change their frequency and they had to essentially scramble it so that people were not able to know
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what their tactics were going to be. i want to go back to what holly said, i completely agree with her, you know, on a lot of the points. this has been so politicized when it's time for an election you've got, you know, the politicians siding with the people and trying to draw out the vote. but the minute that's over they want the police and the police unions and they want to appear to be tough on crime. you can't have your cake and eat it, too. when this is all said and done and the hoopla is over blacks will go back to the very unsafe neighborhoods, i happen to live in one, and cops will be on high alert because we've allowed people to believe that cops are bad and everybody else is apparently behaving very well. and we know that that's counterintuitive because it's just not the case. so, yes, it has to be balanced. i definitely believe that there are times when the police make mistakes and they need to be held accountable, but they're one of the only groups when they make mistakes, it's public. if anheuser-busch's employees do something wrong we don't hear
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mend a torn relationship? the panel is back and i start with you, holly, what's the fix? >> kevin, rashid, and holly have talked to it very well. the fix to a divided community is to find a way to align yourself. it's absolutely essential that the police in ferguson and the community need to find ways both through education programs throughout the school and community watch programs in the neighborhoods and more day-to-day interactions between the community and the police to find the things that draw them together versus all these things tearing them apart. second i think this is very important, there needs to be a voter turnout push in ferguson because part of the problem is with frustration is they don't feel represented. >> right. >> yet you look at the number of people voting and there's extremely low turnout so they've got to do some advocacy there,
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ana. >> kevin, you are there in that community. what do you think needs to happen? because when i was there talking to protesters and those who are so angry against law enforcement they don't feel still like their voices are being heard. but i also got the sense that they are not necessarily open to a hand that's reached out to them. >> yeah. well, i think that, you know, we've got to really balance things and we've got to be truthful on both sides of the discussion. the police need to look at what their tactics are. i think the cameras on the cops would be a good suggestion -- you know, a good alternative. but i also think the community has to take responsibility and take responsibility and saying we know what's happening in our communities and stop lying to ourselves. if we are truthful to that and have the discussion to all the panelists' points i think we can make some progress. >> rashid we know in ferguson at least they are wearing body cameras police as well as citizens if you can believe it. there is a civil review board that is being established in that community. so, these are some of the
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solutions that are trying to be implemented but we're seeing all these protests and all this outrage, how long is a solution long term going to take? >> cultural sensitivity training on the part of the police departments and participation on the part of the communities. this is the blend that will change this. you talk about police -- you talk about cameras and body cameras. cameras just record crimes. it doesn't deter crimes so it's going to record these atrocities that are done to the people so let's not put too much weight in a camera. i haven't seen a camera stop a crime yet. it just records it. participation. cultural sensitivity training on the part of these departments and we'll be able to bring the citizens and these departments together with this formula. i'm convinced. >> holly, what do you think beyond moving prosecutor offices into individual communities, is there something more, more action that law enforcement and the judicial system can take? >> i think it comes down to two
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things, respect and communication, ana. and both sides, i know you asked me about law enforcement, but both sides need to be willing to listen to another perspective. i think we get so entrenched that we're right, we're right, we're right and when our ego gets into it we're not willing to listen to what the other side has to say and that is why if you can open up these meetings, have all your members of the community come in and give them the opportunity to be heard. if we can understand there's another perspective out there, then maybe we can start judging each other and martin luther king said it best, i want to be judged on the content of my character, right? and not the color of my skin, so we need to listen to what the other side has to say. and i think that's what's missing, ana. we're so entrenched in our ego. i'm right. you may be right, but it may get you shot trying to prove that point -- >> i'm hearing you, holly. we all need to listen not just talk when we're talking about the communication. all of you, thank you so much
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