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institutes for infectious disease at nih will be my guest talking about the ebola crisis affecting the world. thank you for watching. "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. >> wolf, thank you so much. great to see all of you on this monday afternoon. less than a week after liberian ebola patient thomas eric duncan died inside that hospital, one of the nurses that treated him is infected with this deadly virus. this nurse works at texas health presbyterian. her case is the first known transmission in the u.s. hospital officials say she had a number of contacts with duncan and that she followed all of the proper protocols. the cdc, however, is not so certain. it believes there was some kind of breach although it cannot pinpoint that. that was the phraseology from that news conference yesterday. a source with direct knowledge
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of the case tells cnn that cdc detectives talked to the nurse several times and found inconsistencies about the kinds of protective gear she wore, how she put this gear on, how she removed it. let me share this with you. just this morning cdc director tom frieden clarified his comments about this protocol breach that a number of people were saying was absolutely blaming the nurses who are treating these ebola patients. here he was. >> what we need to do is all take responsibility for improving the safety of those on the front lines. i feel awful that a healthcare worker became infected in the care of an ebola patient. she was there to help the first patient survive and now she's become infected. all of us have to work together to do whatever is possible to reduce the risk that any other healthcare worker becomes
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infected. >> we'll talk to a nurse live in a couple minutes because their perspective is so important. they're the ones helping some of these patients and they have definitely responded to what was said yesterday. duncan may have had contact with nearly 50 people. here's what we know now. those people, not a single one, is showing ebola symptoms. that's great news. let me bring in our cnn senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen following all of this from dallas. let's get back to dr. frieden's comments. would you say that's a clarification? cleaning up what he said yesterday? that ticked a lot of people off. >> it certainly did. it was perceived as somehow blaming the nurse when in fact the nurse is the hero here. i mean, she and other healthcare workers are so brave to take care of ebola patients and they shouldn't be blamed for any
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breach in protocol. it's a systems issue and not an individual issue. so the question has to be asked, are cdc guidelines clear enough? have they been conveyed to hospitals in the right way and are hospitals instructing their healthcare workers how to do these processes and giving them the right supervision. something dr. frieden said is d disturbing. they're telling the hospital to appoint a supervise to supervise the safety of these workers and i've been here for weeks and assumed it had already been done. >> news flash. not so much. >> it's disturbing that it sounds like there wasn't someone who was appointed to do that. another aspect of this is that other hospitals, hospitals in africa and hospitals here for other diseases, have a buddy system. buddy systems are a proven way of preventing infection. when you go in, when you put on
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that gear, your buddy watches you. when you do the procedure with the infectious patient, your buddy is there coaching you through it making sure you're not doing anything wrong. your buddy watches you as you take the gear off. it's not just lay person. it's another healthcare worker. we don't know that they were doing that here. >> so there are assumptions and then there are realities and now there are fixes. i know cdc is telling these hospitals think ebola. what does that mean, elizabeth? >> what that means is that when someone comes in with symptoms of ebola which include a fever, abdominal pain, that ordinarily when you hear hoof beats, you think horses. you don't think zebras. they say maybe you should think about zebras. you need to ask has this person had a travel history to west africa? here at the hospital when they did that when thomas eric duncan came in initially in september but then somehow that information got lost and they kind of forgot somehow that he
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had that travel history. so they're saying think about ebola when a patient comes in with this set of symptoms. >> elizabeth cohen in dallas for us for weeks. thank you so much for your reporting. then there's so many layers of this story. you have the nbc news crew on mandatory lockdown here after dr. nancy snyderman reportedly violated this quarantine because of the ebola virus. dr. snyderman's crew was covering the crisis in liberia when the cameraman started showing symptoms of the virus. he's since been flown to this omaha, nebraska, hospital where he's currently being treated. the rest of this crew including snyderman who you see here in this "nightly news" report agreed to stay home and avoid contact with others and check their temperatures for 21 days. however, snyderman reportedly chose to disregard that voluntary isolation. for more on that i turn to brian
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stelter, host of "reliable sources." why? >> i wish i knew. it's a mystery. it's a baffling thing. she and her colleagues at nbc came on television repeatedly and said they were going to self-quarantine and by the way, they're not the only reporters who have done that. other reporters who have been over in these infected countries in west africa have stayed home just to be safe. one of the reasons why you stay home is not just for your own health but for people around you in your community. you don't want to make people nervous in your community. it's not as if people in your community are going to get sick from ebola, it's about the nerves that it creates. the fact she was seen out and about in her legal community in new jersey is baffling. >> just talking to sanjay gupta who has been over there. if anyone knows ramifications of this virus, it's the people going to africa to cover it. >> it's a medical correspondent. i'm glad they were there doing reporting because we need journalists there but strange
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she hasn't explained what happened. this happened last thursday. i don't understand why she hasn't made comments. i tried to reach out to her repeatedly. she hasn't said anything. nbc put out a statement. they said they're not going to comment on individual case due to privacy concerns. they went onto say the team was deemed to be low risk. they've been doing the right things taking temperatures and here's the statement. upon returning from liberia, our team was deemed to be low risk and agreed to follow guidelines set by local health authorities. we fully support those guidelines and continue to expect that they will be followed. they were sending a message to dr. nancy right there. our team checks temperatures multiple times a day and in daily contact with local health officials. i think nbc news in that statement was trying to say to dr. nancy and the rest of the crew, stay home. let's not have this happen again. it's embarrassing to the network to have their health correspondent seemingly violating the self-quarantine rules. >> not good pr. >> we may say it's an overreaction. no need for her to stay at home but because of concerns that
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people have right now and because of hysteria there is in some communities, it seems to be better safe than sorry. >> brian stelter, thank you so much. also just getting news into cnn. moving from what we're learning about ebola and to ferguson, missouri, now. as many as ten people including dr. cornell west have been detained at a march in ferguson. the march is called moral monday as part of the ongoing protest surrounding the police shooting death of unarmed shooting death michael brown and the relationship between the public and the police so there you have it. cornell west, that photograph. detained. breaking news in the war against isis. bombs dropped in the city of kobani as the u.s. revealing that terrorists nearly made it to the airport in baghdad. prompting once again that question is the capital vulnerable? we'll discuss that. plus, iraqi security forces have bailed from an important base
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destroying isis. >> want you to look at this map here with me. you see isis appears to be on the verge of taking over anbar province next there to the west of baghdad. we'll dig into its advance there in just a moment. first then to the north to kobani, syria, near the turkish border. despite this massive plume of smoke, this firepower that we believe is from u.s. air strikes,sis is gaining ground. they are running out of food, munition and hope. senator mccain is saying the worst will happen for those that remain in this border city. >> i don't think it's possible to protect those civilians who are basically trapped within kobani and i also agree there will be a massacre. >> joining me from the
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syrian/turkish border is nick paton walsh. you and your crew have reported seeing at least five massive blasts today. what is happening there right now? >> reporter: as we left, there were two further explosions. since calmed the coalition behind the air strikes releasing a statement saying today and sunday there had been a total of seven air strikes around kobani targeting isis positions. that could bring us to about a total of nine here. what's important, brooke, is there seems to be a substantial fight going for official crossing into turkey and what is potentially bad news for kurds is positions in which those air strikes landed started to the east of the town but continue sort of moving slightly toward the west suggesting they were targeting isis and isis was moving toward kurdish positions. bad news for them day after day. supplies surely getting scarcer. >> what about these reports,
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these tweets that we're seeing from the kurdish army saying that chemical weapons are being used against its people. what have you seen? >> reporter: that's a very big accusation to make and frankly i think if isis had weapons of those nature they might save them for an occasion to attack more high profile target. we've seen some explosions that seemed to push white plumes of smoke into the air. isis have overrun a lot of iraqi army bases, a lot of syrian bases and there's a whole different arrange of substances that could be behind that and conventional explosives too and lots of things even white phosphorous and you hear claims of chemical weapons but it takes a lot to be sure that's the truth. >> thank you for the
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clarification. thank you, nick paton walsh. why kurds are fighting, house to house battles to safe kobani and syria and you have iraqi military abandoning one of its final military bases in anbar province, iraq. there is just one base under iraqi control in that province. one official says isis has 80% of anbar. you see the geography. the province sits close to baghdad. president obama's top military adviser revealed on abc news how close to baghdad's airport isis actually got. >> this is the case where you're not going wait until they're climbing over the wall. they were within 20 or 25 kilometers -- >> of baghdad airport? >> sure. had they overrun the iraqi unit it was a straight shot to the airport. we won't allow that to happen. we need that airport. >> 20 kilometers roughly 15.5
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miles. with me now, cnn military analyst, general, welcome. we'll get to that startling number in just a moment. back to this, you know, bailing from this base. i mean, what should -- what can maybe is a better question military leaders do to stop iraqi forces from leaving their bases and their stations? anything? >> truthfully i would suggest that some of these comments about iraqi military just throwing away weapons and leaving bases isn't quite accurate. there are some indicators that some of the iraqi forces and especially some of the newer units, national guard units in anbar province are fighting very hard. they are fighting a tough battle. it's sort of the same battle that was fought during the civil war of 2007 and '06 when they were going hard against each other with al qaeda pressing the issue. there are a lot of fights going on. hard fighting. we don't see what's going on in
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anbar. we see what's going on in kobani. this is a tough fight. isis is gaining the upper hand in some case cases. >> let me bring you to these comments from general dempsey. he said "there will be circumstances when the answer to that question will likely be yes." if we're talking about isis 15 miles from the airport, i want to know what those circumstances would be that would trigger those troops? >> i have a good feel for what general dempsey was attempting to say and what he was saying is once it gets to the point where the iraqi army, the iraqi security forces has regained some of their balance and when they've gotten a new defense minister and when they reinstituted their discipline and they have new leaders in place and they are actually going on the offensive which is the word he used and used the example if they have to go on the offensive in mosul, he
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foresaw a time when advisers would be embedded with lower level units, brigades and battalions. i can see that too. this isn't the time yet. we haven't reached that point yet. i think we continue to contribute at the operational centers, which we are doing. we're contributing to trying to get the iraqi army stood back up and get a better logistics flow going but it's difficult. i would harken back to experiences in 2006 and 2007. it was dire during that time just like now. we're depending on the sunni tribes in the north and west to consolidate and start fighting again and we're hoping for the peshmerga in the north to continue their push. it will be difficult fighting. >> how realistic is the hope versus reality? >> right now it doesn't look good. i'm not as object as senator mccain is. i think there's potential for
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standing up of the tribes in anbar province especially. they got a tough fight now. they had their police chief killed in anbar province and that's devastating to the people of that province. we also have to be concerned with with a we used to call iraqi math. when some of the province members say there's 8,000 of them coming at us. you divide that by about ten and you have about the right number. i'm not downplaying the threat. it's hard out there. we've got a lot of fighting to go and we can't do this in just a couple weeks. >> iraqi math. general, do me a favor and stick around. we'll talk about whether baghdad is vulnerable to isis or not coming up in just a few minutes. also ahead, the fbi is issuing this new warning that isis may be targeting police officers and may be targeting members of the media right here at home and the feds are revealing how they got that information. plus, one health official says it's concerning. they do not know how this texas
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isis is targeting the media and police officers. increased chatter in recent weeks on social media and extremists forums include calls by isis to target fbi investigators and other law enforcement personnel as well as members of the news media. joining me now, kimberly dozier, you have said historically there has been an uptick in militant
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chatter any time a journalist is in the neighborhood wherever in the world that might be. >> it's partly we don't have our own selves to blame. when a journalist is attacked, we cover it intensively. when i used to cover the conflict inside iraq, press officers would tell us that when a journalist went into a neighborhood, they could detect on radios and television an uptick in militant chatter. there's a media crew here. if we hit them now, you expand the attention and the focus and if you get it caught on camera, it spreads the terror. that's why they have their own camera teams often to capture some of their attacks to put online. >> i know people have seen these horrendous beheading videos and many americans have been journalists. it's not like a lot of people are going to syria for -- either that or a humanitarian mission but i really think it's the
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power of the camera. journalists are a prize sadly. >> it's the power of the camera but also the weird position that we're in as members of the media of balancing what is the function of telling the public what's going on on the ground and their ambassadors on the ground and balancing that to not be used as another tool to expand terrorism. when you think about things like the news media's coverage of the fbi manhunt for eric frein. that's something driving militants to think about attacking law enforcement as well. look how we covered that wall to wall. part of that is serving the public interest. we need to let them know there are authorities on the case and there's someone dangerous out there. it's like every time you put something on the air you have to weigh that. >> eric frein, the person wanted for shooting and killing this pennsylvania state trooper and also injuring someone else. we also have the bulletin that
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was based on recent crackdowns on alleged isis members and sympathizers in the u.k. and australia. what do you make of that? >> well, just the fact that there might be cells in those areas that want to strike back. want to say that you didn't lock us down just by catching those one or two members. we have other capabilities. every time there's an arrest, counterterrorism official look for the response. i do have to say that in the fbi bulletin it said that it was not based on any specific warning that this was just on a specific threat just overall chatter. >> kimberly doziedozier, thank o much. nurses in america blasting the director of the cdc saying he's implying it was the nurse's fault she got ebola in texas. plus, can you get ebola from
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were the correct safety protocols followed? initially the cdc seemed to suggest duncan's nurse could be to blame. many nurses taking issue with that blasting the cdc. they say nurses are being blamed and you know what? it's not their fault. nurses say they are not being properly trained. joining me now marla weston, ceo of the american nurses association. marla, welcome to you. thank you for all that you do. >> thank you, brooke. >> all right. so i have to get quickly to your response here. we've heard from now yesterday and then sort of cleaning up of comments today, dr. tom frieden, cdc director saying he feels awful if he sounded like he was blaming that young nurse in dallas. what do you make of his comments today? >> well, the reality is we have nurses and lots of other healthcare workers stepping up to take care of people with ebola. we know that it's a high-risk situation, and we know that every nurse in every situation is working very hard to keep
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themselves safe and to keep their patients safe. >> were you personally insulted when you heard from dr. frieden? >> the reality is i knew that nurses were following the protocol and that nurses were working hard to follow the protocol. i think one of the things that has to happen now is we have to understand exactly what went wrong here and we need to share that with every nurse and with every healthcare provider. we're in a situation where we need to rapidly learn and understand how to keep patients safe, how to keep the healthcare provider safe. >> you know they are looking into that for anyone that can come into contact one of these patients. there's only a handful of hospitals in this country that are specifically set up for and trained to handle ebola patients. do you think any and all of those patients heaven forbid there are more, should be transferred to one of those hospitals specifically? >> well, there's two things we
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have to work on with ebola. one, we know that these patients can show up in any healthcare setting. we need to make sure that every healthcare provider is prepared to rapidly recognize these patients and get them safely into an isolation area. and then we need to make sure that we safely protect those patients and protect the healthcare providers and so whether that's moving them to a specific area where we know that people are trained and have expertise or in some cases really keeping them locally might be the better thing to do in order to secure and protect them. >> you're there in d.c. i know dulles is one of few airports that will begin the screening of ebola potential patients coming in from overseas. you never know if a patient could be sent for a washington area hospital. do you even know what the first step is in terms of treating an ebola patient? is there a plan? >> what's interesting in the
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washington, d.c. area, we've already had two patients show up who were suspected of ebola that have been ruled out and so the first thing is really to recognize the signs and symptoms. the temperature, flu-like symptoms coupled with being exposed to someone with ebola. that's the combination that's really important to understand. and then really in that situation the first thing to do is to get that person in protective isolation. it's also important to recognize that ebola is transferred by body fluids so walking next to someone is not going to have you contract ebola. so it's really putting them in a safe protected area. >> people are asking all these different questions. we have some answers for them in a minute. marla weston, ceo of american nurses association, thank you so much for coming on. and listen, now that we have this first case of ebola contracted in the u.s., the nurse who treated thomas eric
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duncan in the hospital, i know a lot of people have a new round of questions on this deadly virus. how could i get it? how fast could it spread. here's what you need to know about ebola in two minutes from my colleague miguel marquez. >> the clock ticking from the moment the ebola virus enters the body. the disease not easy to contract only carried in bodily fluids, blood, saliva, mucous, sweat, tears, semen, vomit, urine or feces and entering through the body through direct contact through the eyes, nose, mouth, throat or reproductive organs and people can get infected when eating meat from or coming into contact with contaminated animals. the virus can survive several hours in a dried state on doorknobs or countertops. if the fluid remains wet and at room temperature, it can survive for days outside the body. most people get it through
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contact with bodily fluids of patients or the deceased. but when is someone with ebola actually contagious? the short answer, when they start to show symptoms. those symptoms can take from 2 to 21 days to kick in. in other words, a person could travel and interact with others for days, weeks, without passing on the virus. the average incubation period is eight to ten days. early symptoms of the disease, fever, weakness, muscle pain, headache and sore throat are often mistaken for the flu, malar malaria. bloody die e bloody diarrhea and purple spots on the skin. the person is contagious and has 6 to 16 days to beat the virus or die. the death rate high. 50% to 90% chance of death
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depending on the strain and access to medical care. if an infected patient with a strong immune system gets proper care, the chance of surviving goes up. if they survive, the virus could remain in semen for up to three months and if you survive, you have immunity for at least ten years but what's still unknown if you're immune from other strains of ebola. answers and questions for a frightening disease. >> just ahead, we'll take a closer look at the hazmat suits being used around these ebola patients. one question, how easy for the suit to rip or a glove to slip? we'll talk to someone about that. that was sanjay gupta donning one a couple months ago when he was in africa and isis getting closer and closer to baghdad. something that could dramatically change america's war with these terrorists. i'll bring in a panel to discuss the real threat and the administration's response next. ugh...
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right now, isis militants are a mere miles from baghdad's international airport. at last check some 8 to 15 miles and their march forward has become a u.s. concern that u.s. apache helicopters had to be called in to push them back. so lets have a bigger conversation about this. how vulnerable is baghdad potentially? ben wedeman for us right there and also pentagon correspondent barbara starr and lieutenant general, cnn military analyst and retired commanding general for u.s. army europe and seventh army welcomed back in. welcome to all of you and right there in baghdad, ben wedeman, beginning with you. set the scene for me at this moment, how close is isis to the
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capital? >> isis is not far from baghdad international airport as you said. as close as eight miles. the western perimeter is manned by regular units of the iraqi army. there are u.s. advisers that are helping out on the perimeter and apache helicopters at baghdad international airport. so the chances of isis pushing toward the city at the moment are pretty slim. the airport is fairly exposed in that it's to the west of the city just near the edge of anbar province, which is at this point about 80% under the control of isis. so it's somewhat shaky situation but the lines are holding. the problem is not necessarily the threat from outside. it's the threat from inside. this evening we've had three bombings within baghdad.
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more than 20 killed. this seems to be a nightly event. this happens almost every day. and therefore the concerns are that in addition to these occasional probing maneuvers by isis around the defenses of baghdad are sleeper cells within the city whose basic purpose is to disrupt what passes for normal life here in the iraqi capital. >> we have been talking about these sleeper cells in baghdad for a number of months. barbara starr, you talked about this. my next part of the question though is you have the obama administration and their response to the vulnerability of baghdad depends on the day we ask. if i may, let me play sound from a couple weeks ago from a cnn interview from secretary of state john kerry. >> what we've done is stopped the onslaught. that's what we were able to do with airpower. they were moving toward erbil and baghdad. baghdad could well have fallen. >> baghdad could well have
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fallen, barbara starr. isis miles from the airport there in baghdad. the administration seems to be trying to tamper down fears on the vulnerability. >> well, certainly. i mean, if baghdad were to fall wholesale, it would be an absolute disaster. let's go back to what ben's talking about. maybe we need to recalibrate our thinking. baghdad is a city of 7 million people. shia dominated with absolutely minimal if none in terms of its support for the isis organization. isis tends to go where it can get support, where it can intimidate people. >> they wouldn't have support there. >> baghdad is not the place for that. but that doesn't mean that isis couldn't continue to have these probing attacks and to continue from its positions outside of the city to shell the city, to go after key positions. what if they, you know, earmark
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a few places and put enough pressure against it that there's a tipping point in some of these places and sections of the city fall under isis control. i don't think at this point anyone is thinking all 7 million people but there's plenty of concern about the airport and weather isis can make these inroads into baghdad. >> so then, general, to barbara's point, what parts of baghdad could they keep and hold and also this notion that isis could surround baghdad effectively choking off supplies, ammunition, to those inside including the u.s. embassy. how probable would that scenario be? >> that's the more likely approach, brooke. you hit it right on the head. i think if we step back and take a bigger vision, they are trying to consolidate what they gained in anbar. they're continuing to attack against the kurds in the north. and they want to threaten baghdad. now, threatening doesn't mean sending a wave of conventional forces into the city.
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it means like we've seen and that ben pointed out, a series of car bombings especially in the shia neighborhoods. i know baghdad very well. where you see the car bombings going off places that are a large shia population, they are trying to have more of a civil war and focus the government of iraq on protecting baghdad without concern for the rest of the country. it seems like they're doing a pretty good job of it right now. we have to continue to help the iraqi government pull their head back a little bit and look at the whole. get sunni uprisings going again and support the kurds and at the same time defend the capital city. >> we're going to keep our eye not just on baghdad but also anbar province as well. ben wedeman, i know you know the area better than anyone. thank you. barbara starr at the pentagon for me and lieutenant general, thank you so much. coming up next, back to ebola and these hazmat suits. is this enough to keep medical personnel safe when they're treating these patients? according to the cdc, yes.
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first line of defense against ebola is the personal protective gear they're wearing. gowns, masks, face shield, gloves. the cdc has specifically rules on how to put them on in order
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and remove them but it's not all easy and a lot of people haven't been told what to do. here's the list for just removing gloves. this is what we got from the cdc. six steps. not doing this in in order precisely could lead to an infection even the professionals make mistakes. yesterday this tweet. this week the infectious disease staff trained in personal protective equipment for ebola. none of us got it right every time. not one. so how can these doctors and nurses stay safe when it's so tough to get it so right? let me bring in an infectious disease and public health specialist. let's point out to everyone, this is not our field of expertise. this is yours. we throw out words like hazmat suit. that's a hazmat suit. that's personal protective gear. there's a difference. when it comes to medical
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personnel in the hospitals, they're not being told in person this is how do you it. it's not uniform yet. >> that's exactly right, brooke. part of the problem is that the cdc released guidelines on what kind of personal protective equipment we need to be using as you saw on the website the cdc has instructions step by step just for the gloves. but the issue is that the cdc cannot get on the ground and train every single healthcare worker in the u.s. that's just not possible since they've sustained massive funding cuts over the last couple years. however, what they can do is disseminate the information to the hospital leadership, which is what's being done on conference calls, and then that leadership needs to take the information and sort of customize it to the specific equipment they're using in their hospital and they need -- the hospital leadership needs to be training their healthcare workers. >> the issue is let's say i'm a doctor and i'm going to sierra
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leone because i'm going to treat these patients. i'm taken to alabama. i go through physical training to show me over and over and over how to put on these suits and that's not happening at some of the hospitals. >> the hospitals need to set up training camps. >> why is that not happening? >> that's a good question. hospitals need to take responsibility for this. it's not just for cdc and local health departments. they're stretched too thin. and they're not responsible for training hospital employees. >> what about the protective gear itself? is it solid? can it handle ebola? is it vulnerable? ripping? tearing? >> some are questioning now whether hazmat suits are necessary or whether the personal protective equipment available in the hospital is enough. i still think the personal protective equipment is enough but people need to know how to put it on and take it off. one of the points that dr. frieden made is that hazmat suits may create more danger if people don't know what they're
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doing and how to put that on and take it off. that's even more complicated than what you're talking about with standard protective equipment. >> it was eye opening. a great piece in "usa today" about how a lot of people think the cdc is in charge of this. they're not the governing body. they de facto and escape goat in many cases but they're not in charge. who is? >> de facto dr. frieden at the national institutes of health are running the show right now in kuconjunction with state and local officials. we don't have an attorney general who is yet to be confirmed and the reason for that is gun violence was a public health problem he said. >> that needs to change it sounds like. thank you so much for coming on. i appreciate it. coming up next, we're learning much more about this
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top of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. this young woman, this nurse in dallas, texas, has contracted the ebola virus from her patient, thomas eric duncan. this marks the first known transmission of ebola on u.s. soil. he was the patient who died last week. a short time ago cdc director dr. tom frieden said they are reexamining protocols for handling these ebola patients but added they still don't know the specific source that led to this nurse getting ebola. a cdc says the nurse is clinically stable and happening right now, president obama is meeting with senior members of his administration to discuss this dallas ebola case now and review the national preparations being made. let me bring in our senior medical