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isis. >> thank you very much for coming into the situation room. kira phillips joining me. and you can follow us on twitter. tweet me at wolf blitzer. tweet the show at cnn sit room. and join us tomorrow when you can watch us live, or dvr so you don't miss a moment. thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. breaking news. a second dallas nurse diagnosed with ebola and also cared for thomas eric duncan. how could she board an airplane with a fever. and the u.n. said it must be controlled or the world faces no plan. and outrage over ever changing statements from the cdc. americans asked to trust a system, so far a system that has failed. let's go "outfront."
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good evening. i'm erin burnett and we begin "outfront" with the breaking news. a second nurse diagnosed with ebola in the united states. at this hour the patient being flown to emory university hospital in atlanta after what appeared to be serious missteps by texas presbyterian hospital where that nurse treated thomas eric duncan. and new information about where amber vinson was before she was under the influence. she boarded a flight despite a 99.5 temperature. and 24 hours later she was in the hospital diagnosed with ebola. we should mention that she was not supposed to be leaving her home. she was off work, supposedly monitoring herself for a fever. the said of the cdc said vinson
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should not have flown and from now on people monitored will not travel. and it is the latest example of how a system that the cdc has asked americans to trust has not lived up to expectations. late today the president tried to reassure the country but acknowledged much more needs to be done. >> i think what we've all learned over the last several weeks is that folks here in this country and in a lot of nonspecialized hospitals and clinics don't have that much experience dealing with these issues and we'll have to push out this information as aggressively as possible. >> part of the reason the u.n. said the world is now -- is not controlled in 60 days is facing an unprecedented situation with to plan. i want to get to dr. sanjay gupta and he is outside of emory hospital as they await the patient. i know you just got off the phone with a government official and you have news about why the
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decision was made to send this nurse to emory but not the nurse currently still at dallas presbyterian. >> reporter: it sounds like a staffing issue, erin. i've been curious about this decision for amber to come here in emory, because it would provide better treatment or were they concerned about the ability to contain ebola in dallas and thought memory would do a better job. we are hearing a slightly different picture and an important one, they are worrying about taking care of patients because of staffing in dallas right now. as was said to me by the government official, there is concerns that there are nurses walking out and not able to care for the patients. so it is not as much of a situation, there is a magic potion or wand waived here at emory, but they are concerned they can't keep up with her care over there, erin. >> that is pretty significant. that they would be at this point saying they would rather not go
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to work than deal with this. not surprising, but i think for many, scary as this is a situation that someone might imagine in a real disease scare. and we are taking about changing guidance from a new government official on what constitutes an ebola symptom which is a big deal because they say you can't spread it until you get a symptom and now they are talking about what is a symptom. >> reporter: it is pretty interesting and big news as well. for a long time if you looked at the guidelines, what constitutes a fever. what is the threshold? and it was always 101.5. if you look at the cdc guidelines today it says 104. they have lowered the temperature. that might not sound like a lot. but the significance, what we have learned is nina pham, the first nirs to get -- the first nurse to get sick, she didn't have a fever of 101.5.
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it was lower than that. that is snificant because we placed a lot of faith in fever of being one of the first earliest signs of ebola and it might be. but according to the guidelines, you could develop ebola without a fever of 101.5. and that changes things. 99.5 was the temperature that miss vinson had when she got on the plane flying from cleveland to dallas. we now understand that in fact she did call someone at the cdc. she did make that call but was told it shouldn't be a problem to get on the plane. so changing -- changing metrics here in terms of what they are constituting symptoms and that will make a difference in terms of how people are screened, erin. >> and they said certain things, the comment that the head of the cdc made when thomas eric duncan got off that plane and he said there is zero risk anybody could get ebola on the plane because he didn't have symptoms. it was before he had symptoms
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and probably didn't. but we've been told to trust these absolute instances coming out of the cdc but it doesn't seem like they really knew the facts. >> reporter: and the idea that this is changing literally in front of our eyes, so much in medicine is dog ma. and many is symptoms. and if nina pham got sick, nausea or vomiting and symptoms and did not have a fever of 101.5, it will call into question exactly when should we -- what does screening really entail and what do we call someone symptomatic and at what point are they infectious. now it is 100.4 and will it change again, we don't know. >> and sanjay, thank you very much. he'll be back with us later in the hour. and there are questions about how amber vinson contracted the
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virus in the first place and who else she may have infected. ed is out front live in dallas and you are learning more on this as well. >> reporter: cdc investigators and health officials here in texas are looking at the first days when he was admitted here to the hospital. perhaps that is the time and the place where everything went wrong. >> federal officials are retracing the steps of amber vinson, the second nurse to contract ebola after treating thomas eric duncan. and more importantly she violated cdc guidelines and flew afterwards. >> she should not have traveled on a commercial airline. >> they now acknowledge that the team of health care workers treating duncan was experienced and exposed to the virus when first admitted to the hospital. >> first, some of the forms of the ppe used did allow exposure
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to some parts of the skin. >> cdc officials found that healthcare workers were using varying forms of protective gear, not one uniform standard. some were wearing three or four layers of equipment. and medical experts say that may sound safer, it could cause more problems. >> it shows you they were not prepared for this and not set up to take this kind of patient. >> the national nurse's association portray how nurses had to use medical tape around their necks to protect themselves and take it off on their own. and while nurses were given as face shields and surgical machks, some supervisors were not. texas health hospital officials have not responded directly to the allegations and questions other than to say the health and safety of the employees are a
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priority. >> a lot is being said about what pay or may not have occurred to cause our colleagues to contract this disease. but it is clear there was an exposure spare, some time, in the treatment of mr. duncan. >> wednesday afternoon medical teams started to move amber vinson from dallas to emory university in atlanta with two other ebola patients were successfully treated. >> and health officials here say the worse may not be over yet. they are continuing to monitor the other health care workers that were in the room with thomas eric duncan and say there could be more who become infected. erin. >> ed, thank you very much. a real question when there is only 11 beds to treat them in the whole country. and i want to bring in dr. brad joe and he is from infectious prepared disease and response. good to have you here. and you said the nurses were being actively monitored and
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this was yesterday morning, weren't being reporting to work were being seen and temperature taken multiple times a day. at this time, do you know how amber vinson got on a plane and disappeared for a few days and went to another state and came back. >> i don't know how that happened. this is happening in realtime right now and the cdc and the county are actively involved in that right now. so i can't tell you that. our task force is not interfering with the day-to-day operations of disease tracking and monitoring these patients but obviously this is a question that everyone is asking and needs to be answered fairly promptly. >> it is a crucial question. and for you, obviously, a crucial big picture question as you are dealing with this crisis in texas. i mean, at this time, have you or are you comfortable that the people tracking all of these individuals who had contact with mr. duncan, 74 of them now, there were 76, two of them now
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have ebola, do you know for sure none of them violated the rules? >> i do not know for sure. and we are not interest fearing, from the task force point of view, we are providing scientific assessments and help as we can on fundamental issues, like the decontamination of the apartment or what to do with the pet. but we are not interfering with the day-to-day operations. >> and you ask who is responsible and that is the big question to figure out how to stop this from spreading and happening somewhere else. you have literally had this job for just about a week so it is pretty hard to say that you've had the long institutional memory to have done anything here but i can ask you, who do you think is responsible for what is truly an epic set of mistakes? >> well, there is all kind of levels of responsibility here. and, again, part of what we are
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doing is we have to understand, if you go back to the first visit of mr. duncan to the hospital, again, we have to review all of those records and not all is known. but often individual errors or misjudgments or misdiagnosis could be reflective of a larger systematic problems. was there enough education and training and exercise of that. >> absolutely. and when you took over this job, you were hearing what i was hearing and the viewers were hearing and what we were hearing is what was coming out of washington, out of the cdc, who were tasked with preparing for this if advance and here is what they've been saying. >> it is unlikely that the disease would spread, if the virus were detected in the united states. >> we do not view ebola as a significant public health threat to the united states. >> this is a tried and true reliable public health strategy. there is no doubt in my mind we
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can stop it in its tracks. >> we are still confident that the precautions that we have in place will protect our health care workers. >> that is what we all heard. when you hear things like that and see what is happening now, you can see why a lot of americans don't trust what authorities are telling them. do you feel that you were misled at all by the cdc, by other officials? >> well, i'm always, as a scientist and as a physician, i'm always concerned when we make blanket statements about being perfectly safe or perfectly protected. and that is just not how science and medicine works in that certain precautions may be absolutely protective under a certain set of circumstances, but these were different circumstances. i think if you have ebola anywhere in the world, it is a risk to everywhere in the world. and we need to understand that both retrospectively and prospectively. and i do believe there are going to be a lot of changes in how
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the cdc and the whole country approaches ebola because the statement -- the statements such that we are perfectly safe, or that ebola can be taken care of in any community hospital within this country i think have been proven untrue. >> dr., thank you very much. an honest assessment there. next the breaking news. nurses at texas health presbyterian are threatening to walk off the job. and plus are fears driving a free fall on wall street. and the second dallas nurse with ebola boarded a plane. how could the cdc have told her that's okay. from fashion retailers to healthcare providers, jewelers to sporting good stores, we provide financing solutions for all sorts of businesses. banking. loyalty. analytics. synchrony financial. engage with us.
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we're following the breaking news on a new ebola patient from dallas been flown at this hour to emory university hospital in atlanta. our dr. sanjay gupta just reporting that there are nurses at texas presbyterian may walk off the job. they are currently treating another nurse, nina pham, who is fighting ebola tonight. and this is putting pressure on the white house and how the administration has responded thus far. it is a simple question, who is in charge of handling the ebola crisis. here is what happened today when our jim acosta tried to find out if lisa monaco was indeed the
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person in charge. >> she's not overseeing the construction of ebola transmission units in west africa. the department of defense is responsible for that. >> i understand that. but who is in charge of the over all response. >> she is not responsible for coordinating the international community as they interact with west africa. they have an area of expertise. she's not diagnosing the people in the field. >> you are interrupting me because you feel like you have a point to make. you seem reluctant to say who is in charge of ebola. >> i'm making it clear of who is responsible when it comes to this country's tenacious response to ebola. >> tom is "outfront." >> even as the federal government rapidly expands to contain the ebola virus, the response is under withering fire and the white house is playing defense. the press secretary today.
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>> the administration continues to pursue the kind of tenacious response that will both protect the american public here at home and also do what is necessary to completely eliminate the risk to the american public from the ebola virus. >> but listen to him back in august. >> as bad as this situation is, in three or four countries in africa, the cdcs that assessed there is no significant risk to those here in the united states as a result of this outbreak. >> the cdc hasdown played ebola at every turn. when some contacted the disease in west africa, they said nobody would get it in america. and days later in a statement to congress, he said we know how to stop ebola with strict infection control practices which are already in widespread use in american hospitals.
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and when that patient from liberia was diagnosed in dallas, the cdc once again assured the public everything was under control, right up until word came that a nurse had contracted the disease, to which dr. frieden said -- >> we're not sure how she was infected. we're looking at that. >> and yet now even with a second nurse infected, the secretary of health and human services who oversees the cdc said we could have handled the ebola outbreak better but -- >> do have confidence in the cdc and dr. frieden. >> and back at the white house, the same chorus. >> people should continue to be confident in the response organized by the government in reaction to this specific situation. >> but for all of those assurances, a washington post abc nuz poll finds nearly two thirds of american are saying the government led by the cdc is not doing enough to stop the spread of ebola. >> so for all of this talk at the white house about a
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tenacious response, what is emerging is more of a narrative that says either the wous doesn't really -- the white house doesn't really understand who is handling the outbreak and what way the disease is behaving, they don't understand that, or unin formed about to the degree the hospitals and health care workers can deal with it. it is one of those terrible storms in what appears to be a degree of ignorance or unwillingness to accept reality and that can be political dynamite for anyone to deal with. and people, when you talk about something as fear some as ebola, they pay attention. >> and joining me dr. sanjay gupta and dr. walks and katie merman from the nurse's association. and so far, the cdc has been so eager to say this isn't
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something to be concerned about. is this the right thing, to tell people there is no risk to avoid mass fear when facing something like ebola? >> erin, we know the right thing to tell people. we've seen infectious illness in major metropolitan areas before and i worked with the cdc several years ago to create a risk communication guideline that was disem fated to all of the -- disseminated to all of the health departments around the country. you don't rush to things and you let people know and come back to tell them when you know better. things like this evolve, things like this absolutely evolve. so the fact we didn't know everything on day one it is not unprecedented or something we should be concerned about. what we should do is make sure we rush to tell people that we know this, we'll tell you when we know more. >> and of course, there was a rush on their part to say they did know more than they knew.
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sanjay is reporting that when a symptom is a symptom has changed and something significant that you have to share with the viewers is when the nurse got -- was about to board a plane, she had a fever. and she actually made a call to the cdc and asked if she could get on the plane and they said yes? >> it sounds like she was doing the right thing, she was monitoring her temperature. when she was in cleveland and now three days later, she is taking her temperature and it is elevated. and we hearing she did call someone at the cdc and we don't know who that was and was told it was okay to get on the plane. let me put that in context for you, erin. this is significant. here is why. she was known to have contact with someone who had ebola within the previous few days. and if she had been in west africa, for example, and tried to get on a plane out of liberia, with that history, a elevated temperature and history of contact with ebola, she would have been flagged.
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despite that she was not flagged here in the united states and was able to get on the plane. >> and we'll have a special report later on what is happening to everybody else on that plane and what they are being told tonight. and kathy, let me ask you, the nurses at texas presbyterian there is a risk they may be walking on the job because they don't have the staffing and training and they are frustrated. what do you think about that? >> i think that we need to start listening to the registered nurses in the united states about who really have -- are the experts about what is actually happening in the hospitals throughout this country. and what they are reporting is that we are -- we don't have the preparation. we issued a letter today to president obama to use his executive authority to mandate that hospitals follow standardized protocols and procedures throughout hospitals in the united states so that we can be safe and provide care to patients. nurses have the right, if we are
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going to risk our lives caring for these patients, to have adequate optimal equipment, including hazmat suits, respiratory equipment, and training to be able to put this equipment on and off in order to be safe with our patients and ourselves. >> so sanjay, i'm curious, because you are in front of emory, and that is where the second nurse is arriving within the hour, any moment to where you are. emory has treated patients before, two or three americans and they have been -- there have been no infections and there are a few other hospitals in the country. but when you look at the total number of beds that those hospitals that are prepared have, you are looking at low double-digits, mid double-digits, looking at 74 possible exposed nurses just in texas. what happens if there was an outbreak of more than a dozen or so people in this country right now? >> well, the answer up until a few days ago was, look, most
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hospitals in the country should be able to take care of these patients, isolating someone for nonairborne pathogen is something that any hospital should be able to do. and a week ago that was the standard answer. the answer is obviously changing a little bit. i still believe that any hospital could possibly do this, because you don't need special equipment, there is not a special treatment or some sort of magic wand here at emory, but the fact that this has gone the way it has in dallas, that one patient has now infected two other people, obviously it makes a lot of people very nervous. erin, they've been doing this for a long time in very tough circumstances in central and west africa and have had hardly any transmissions from patients to health care workers. it can be done and it can be done under tough situations. why it has gone so poorly in dallas, i think -- hopefully there are lessons learned. >> dr. wats i want to show you video today and this was droub
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to our a -- drawn to our attention on twitter. and this is the patient, the nurse on the way to where sanjay is standing right now. and there are people in hazmat suits and a guy next to the gurney who is just -- he is there with a pen and paper and his regular clothes on. what do you make of that? >> erin, this is an example of why the public is so uncomfortable. there clearly should be officials around that plane, making sure that the images that people are seeing are the ones we want them to see. so what is it? do you need a hazmat suit or not neat a hazmat suit? it doesn't make any sense. and i watched that video live today and i was cringing thinking what is the message we are giving to the public. this is public health. this is not the same as us telling you how to manage your own health behavior sow don't get -- so you don't get sick. public health is about all of us staying healthy by doing what we
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in public health ask you to do. this is not the same as health care and i think we have to be very careful that a crisis in confidence doesn't occur. who else do we have? we have a cdc full of smart people and know their science. we have to get better at the messaging and the messages and the messengers, but the science is strong and the cdc is great, we're just doing a lousy job with getting a consistent message out right now. >> can i please respond to that. this is katie. >> i'm sorry, katie, i'm out of time. i can't, but thank you very much because i i do want to give you a -- but i did want to give you a chance to talk more. and there is one place you can say is that confidence happening and you can say yes. the market down 500 points after a late rally in part due to ebola fears. and the latest figures on the virus as it spreads beyond west africa. ♪ who's going to do it?
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street. the dow today plummeted 460 points. that is a stunning number it. sounds like it and it is. it did recover some losses and closed down by only 173 points. but the truth is the deadly virus has been weighing on investors who want confidence and security. stocks have tumbled since ebola arrived in the united states and in five days the dow is off 5%. deborah furyk is out front. what is causing this fear and uncertainty? >> it is just that. the numbers that keep growing and growing. so let's look at what we are talking about. west africa, this is where it began. and now the number of cases close to 4500 deaths, 9,000 right now throughout west africa. we take a look at where it is going. it has gone into central africa and all of that is being closely watched. and a couple of cases crossed the ocean and arrived here in the united states, specifically to texas. the number of diagnosed cases
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here -- three. and several others were brought to the united states and treated and this is what we are talking about right now. one liberian, thomas eric duncan, he died a week ago today, and he transferred the virus to two nurses in direct contact with him. the first 26-year-old seems to be doing well and the second nurse that everybody is speaking of, amber vinson went from dallas, to cleveland and back to dallas during the columbus day weekend and now everybody she and thomas eric duncan came into contact with are being monitored. and let's look at that. dallas, 74 health care workers and the number was higher but now two tested positive. and 48 others he came into contact with. and now they are looking at nurse vinson to see who she was in touch with and that includes the 132 people on the flight when she began running a fever. this is the united states. let's go to europe. fewer cases here in europe. one in spain and that is the
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nurse. she is also in serious but stable condition. doctors optimistic. one in german, he died, he was in liberia. and we look at the monitoring, and from the one case in spain we know that 81 people are now under surveillance. and you have to think of the impact of this, erin. officials say it is the world's response to the ebola crisis that has got to step up and if it doesn't step up in 60 days, according to the world health organization there could be upwards of 10,000 new infections every week and that is why everybody is skiddish and looking where this goes and how many people it affects. erin. >> and that is talking about the unprecedented situation for which there is quote, unquote, no plan. and the numbers hitting home. and joining me now dr. himmy and a cnn medical analyst.
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and when we look at the numbers today. down nearly 500 points. the last time we saw swings like a day today, 500 pounds and ending down 150, when there were riots on the streets and people didn't know if they could get money out of the atm again. >> we haven't seen this since 2011 and before that the final crisis. today's weakness was not just the second case of ebola but it is a contributor. we saw weakness out of europe so those are other factors. but this is certainly weighing on sentiment and market sentiment through the bull market is something and very fragile. and when we have consumers and americans having zero confidence in what the officials are telling us, that causes people to take a step back and say i'm not going to be in such a rush to buy stock xyz because we don't know how this will shake
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out and little confidence in how things will shake out. >> because they don't have it under control f. we don't control it within 60 days, it will be unprecedented. i wanted to play this for you by jim kramer on what he said today. >> today we get the news that the second stricken health worker had flown on a commercial plane and we realized once again we have no real protocols in this country for handling ebola. now we have to wait 121 days to find out if anybody on the plane got infected. >> for people who think this is not related to the broader stability to your retirement account, that is something that explains that it indeed is. and it is shocking to many people that she could have been on this plane and the cdc, when they called and said i have a fever of 99.5 and can i get on a plane, and they said yes. but if she was in liberia she
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would have been denied border. >> as jim said, we don't have a plan of someone presenting with suspected ebola through death that takes through every single stage of. >> that but we're seeing even the segments of that plan, when a nurse puts on a gown, are not being well covered. and that should make us worry. and what is does an ebola outbreak in america look like, the answer is not a lot of people will die of ebola? most americans don't have to worry about that, but they do have to worry about nurses not turning up to hospitals and their retirement account shrinking and that is what it looks like in america and that is starting today. >> and you've done an analysis, paul, when the sars epidemic was hitting and at that time according to your numbers, the number of people flying in hong kong down 60% and the number of
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passengers in planes and hotel occupancy is down 63%. >> this is really an outlier that it won't become a big outbreak in the u.s. but the key is what jim kramer said, in the early stages of the financial crisis, your conversation with him where he said, they know nothing. >> about the fed. they know nothing. >> even though they were caught off guard and it seems like the cdc is caught off guard. >> it is the lack of confidence. it is not the problem. they don't seem to know how to handle it. >> exactly. every day we hear different stories. if they don't know what what is going on, i'm going to step back in my risk of tolerance here. >> thank you to both of you. and next, the latest patient boarded a domestic flight and the cdc told her it was okay to fly. and now the search is on for the 132 who flew with her. a special report on what is happening with them tonight. and american doctors and nurses about to go to the hot
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breaking news tonight, you are looking at live pictures right now in atlanta. that is the plane that amber vinson, the second nurse to be infected by ebola patient thomas eric duncan, she is right now in that plane. they are going to take her off the plane and take her to emory university hospital, one of the few hospitals in the united states that has successfully treated ebola patients thus far without infected health care workers and one of the hospitals that have the full ability to treat patients. the reason she is in the plane right now is because the government being unsure whether the dallas presbyterian hospital could handle this and say there was a severe staffing issue and perhaps nurses would be walking off the job.
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and keep in mind she called the cdc before boarding a commercial flight with a fever on monday. the cdc said get on the plane. that is why an exhaustive search is underway for the 132 passengers who flew with vinson. she boarded frontier flight and she had a fever of 99.5 degrees. she alerted them and they told her it was okay to board the plane. she was admitted to the hospital last night and she was told she is in worse condition than the first nurse, nina pham. and renee is out front. and you can spread ebola with fevers and she knew she was being monitored and knew she wasn't to leave her home and called the cdc. and now the people on the plane are at risk. and we called some people on the plane. they were scared and didn't want
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their name known. one man said we told you about the symptoms of ebola and told him to monitor himself for fever for the next 120 days and that is it. is that all the cdc is doing for those people? >> we do know the cdc has all of the names and phone numbers for the 132 people on board this flight. what the cdc says that they are doing is reaching out just like they reached out to that individual. they are questioning them, what kind of contact did they have with the nurse when on board of this flight, asking them questions. they said if during the line of questioning they determine this individual could be at risk, they will arrange for a follow- follow-up, calling them back and seeing if they are experiencing any symptoms. so the cdc they they are tracking these people but they continue to say they believe the risk is low for everyone on board that flight. erin. >> renee, thank you very much. and questions on whether they
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are doing anything for those sitting directly next to amber vinson. and -- up next, american health care workers are training to go to west africa. and we have an update on bentley, nina pham's dog, and an update from the man in charge of his care. that is next. so guys -- it's just you and your honey.
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now let's check in with anderson with a look at what is coming up on "ac360." hi, anderson. yes, hey, erin, we'll obviously have more on the latest, the patient who is infected with ebola, sent to emory university. also my conversation with dr. kent brantly, the first doctor testing positive for ebola. the missionary doctor. i'll talk to him about why he believes people should try to avoid panic here. why he says there is not as much cause for concern in the united states right now certainly where he believes in west africa where he believes most of the
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attention should be focused. and also i talked to him about the protective gear and whether it was enough and whether the cdc protocols for protective gear were adequate. i don't know if you have seen the cdc guidelines right now, but they don't require covering on your feet, some others next to them could be exposed. would you go in the room exposed? >> when i was at emory, the doctors and nurses who took care of me, they wore suits that completely covered them, they were climate controlled suits, they had a battery pack fan, they could wear the suit and stay at my bedside for 24 hours a day, for the entire shift. that seemed like a very safe process to me. >> we'll talk to him more about that. and also what it feels like to have ebola.
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not just the symptoms but what it is like to actually go through all the different stages of the virus, erin. i'm really looking forward to hearing that. and breaking news, an official said there are serious concerns that the texas presbyterian hospital can't handle ebola, particularly because they're afraid nurses will walk off the job. it is a deadly and dangerous job, hundreds of american health care workers are volunteering to do it here but also to go to west africa. >> reporter: in an abandoned building in alabama, health care workers are getting a crash course on treating ebola patients in the hot zone. this group of doctors and nurses will soon head to the country in west africa affected by the outbreak. the doctor says the training he gets today will mean the difference between life and death. you struggled a little bit? >> yeah, it's not easy, it's not easy, and that was a large size
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and i'm not a large guy, but still i couldn't get the coveralls over my shoulders without touching the outside, which is the contaminated side. i was only supposed to touch the clean side, the uncontaminated side and i just couldn't do it. i'm going to try it again and again. >> the procedures were used with doctors without borders, the training they received helped with patient burial among other items. >> the first thing you want to do is get rid of all that bulky gear. but you have to have the muscle memory of having done it before. of knowing that you can do it safely, and knowing that it has to take a little longer than you would like it to. and you have someone there guiding you through it so that you stay calm and you just get it all off and then you walk out knowing that you're safe. >> dr. lei thinks a lot about safety, with a wife and 2-year-old child back at home in
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northern california he says he is anxious about his impending trip. but he says his concern is outweighed by compassion. >> i'm leaving in a couple of weeks, whoever tells you they're not anxious about working in liberia in an ebola unit i think is delusional. i'm very nervous. >> then why do it? >> like i said, it goes back to this idea of solidarity. and you know, equity. kind of like if you're a firefighter and you signed up to fight fires, and there is a fire. you should go fight that fire. >> one of the most difficult parts about this for the clinicians going through the training is the doffing, taking on and off the protective equipment they wear. erin, i put on the suit recently, it is very hot, there is no guarantee even if you do everything right you wouldn't contaminate yourself. it is something the experts here are worried about and also
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everyone who is going through the training, erin? >> all right, nick, thank you very much. a fascinating report and very inspirational to see the man try to go save other's lives. we'll be right back. what's that? snapshot from progressive. plug it in, and you can save on car insurance based on your good driving. you sell to me? no, it's free. you want to try? i try this if you try... not this. okay. da! ♪ want to change the world? create things that help people. design safer cars. faster computers. smarter grids and smarter phones. think up new ways to produce energy. ♪ be an engineer. solve problems the world needs solved. what are you waiting for? changing the world is part of the job description.
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. thank you for joining us, i'll see you back here tomorrow night, "ac360" begins now. good evening, thank you for joining us, we're live from dallas tonight with breaking news about a second nurse who tested positive for ebola and who is right now arriving in atlanta for treatment at emory university hospital. i want to show you the live images that we're looking at right now, that is the ambulance the nurse has just gotten into. she just flew into atlanta, was able to walk off the aircraft in a complete hazmat suit. completely covered. she was escorted by other health