>> announcer: this is "new day," with chris cuomo, kate boldaun and michaela pereira. >> good morning, welcome to "new day," it is thursday october 16th, 6:00 in the east, i'm joined by alisyn camerota. >> busy morning, great to see you. >> we have new information for you. cnn has learned amber vincent, the texas nurse diagnosed with ebola called the cdc before boarding a flight from cleveland to dallas monday. warning the agency she had treated ebola patient thomas eric duncan and she was running a low-grade fever. but she was not stopped from boarding a plane filled with 132 people. vincent has been transported to atlanta for treatment and is thankfully listed in stable condition. but mistakes in how things are being handled is fueling scared reactions. several schools in texas and ohio now closing for the day because of concern students or teachers could have been put at risk. >> the cdc considering placing 76 workers from the texas
hospital on the tsa's no-fly list. president obama lass canceled another day of events in order to stay at the white house and deal with this emergency. and later today, embattled cdc director thomas friedan can expect an intense grilling from lawmakers on capitol hill. and set to testify, the chief clinician of the dallas hospital who in prepared remarks apologizes, saying they are deeply sorry and that they made mistakes in how they handled the first ebola patient, thomas duncan. our coverage of the ebola crisis begins with senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen in dallas. give us all the latest. >> alisyn, good morning, a 99.5-degree temperature was not quite enough to keep a woman, who we know now, who had ebola, off a commercial aircraft. this morning, the second critical care nurse to contract ebola receiving treatment here at emory hospital in atlanta. transferred from texas health
presbyterian as officials are worried that furloughed employees and a possible walk-out of nurses would leave them unable to care for 29-year-old amber vincent. officials say vincent is more progressed than nina pham, the first nurse to be diagnosed with deadly disease. both having contact with thomas duncan. the cdc says a total of 76 health care workers may have been exposed to the virus. >> some of the forms of ppe used did allow exposure of some parts of the skin. >> all 76 may be placed on a no-fly list, according to a source familiar with the situation. fearing the virus could be transmitted within a confined aircraft. >> she should not have traveled on a commercial airline. >> this, after a shocking revelation that vincent, the second health care worker with ebola, flew to cleveland on a commercial airline two days after duncan passed. and just a day before experiencing ebola symptoms. vincent flew back to dallas on
frontier airlines flight 1143. a federal official tells cnn, the nurse called the cdc before boarding and reporting a higher-than-normal temperature, but lower than the cdc criteria for ebola. frontier airlines tells cnn they proactively placed six crew on paid leave for 21 days, after being notified by the cdc that vincent could have been symptomatic. >> she was being monitored here in dallas and if she was monitored correctly, she would have gotten into the hospital i think earlier than going on the flight. >> now, it's interesting, a nurse's union two days ago had some pretty strong assertions against the hospital. saying they weren't following basic safety protocols. the hospital just now, this morning, has issued a press release saying that those assertions do not affect the actual record. the hospital says they follow
and in some cases exceeded cdc guidelines. chris, ailsen? >> that is different than what we had heard from the nurse's union. we'll get into that later in the program. president obama canceling a series of campaign stops to focus on the ebola situation. promising a more aggressive federal response to new cases. cnn's joe johns is live at the white house, joe, good morning, what changes are the president talking about? >> a number of changes. including ebola emergency response teams. of course the president did cancel political plans to travel in advance of the mid-term elections to new york and rhode island. today in order to stay back and monitor and manage the ebola crisis. the administration has come under increasing criticism of late, over this. they did make those announcements last night. the president talked just a little bit after meeting with his team. listen. >> we are monitoring, supervising, overseeing in a
much more aggressive way, exactly what's taking place in dallas initially and making sure that the lessons learned are then transmitted to hospitals and clinics all across the country. >> the speaker of the house, among others, have, has gone on the record saying he thinks the administration needs to consider at least the possibility of temporarily banning flights from the west african nations where the biggest problems are occurring. tom friedan, the director of the cdc has also come under criticism on capitol hill, some even calling for his resignation. he is expected to appear at a hearing on capitol hill to talk about what the administration is doing. back to you. >> that should be an interesting and fiery hearing so we will stay tuned for that. joe, thanks so much. let's go over to chris for more. >> let's figure out what makes sense now. joining to us do just that is dr. alexander garza, he served as chief medical officer for the
department of homeland security and is assistant dean for st. louis hospital public health. >> and we have dr. yoe self mccormick, he helped investigate the first ebola epidemic in central africa. dr. mccormick, let me start with you. the push from the white house to send in s.w.a.t. teams when a hospital is dealing with a case of ebola. good idea? >> well i think it will be helpful. but i don't think it's going to cover every hospital in the country. and so i think they're going to have to have a strategy for how they're going to address this. because we can't choose where ebola patients are going to appear. >> why don't you think it will apply to all hospitals. i thoughted idea was, if the hospital has to deal with a case he they get a team. >> but how dot hospitals prepare their staff. when you get a patient, and you get a s.w.a.t. team, they'll help. but you want a staff that's already trained, that's got some concept of what they're going to
do, before the s.w.a.t. team ever gets there. that's where my concern is. >> even though it's a good idea to send somebody, you may make the mistakes before they get there that wind up determining whether you have exposure. >> even if they get there, unless they take over the whole operation, you still have to have your local staff, who know the hospital, who know the situation, they have to be trained. and yesterday, i heard from my own area of texas, that the training consists of a youtube video. >> that's all it is? we still not where we need to be. that's the consensus this morning. dr. garza, let me ask you somebody about the apology we heard from texas presbyterian. did not include an apparent inability to establish protocols. they're saying in some cases they exceeded what the cdc told them to do. do you see this as a solid apology and a recognition that they now what they did wrong and know how to fix it, or are they simply fundamentally being
apologists and weak excuses toor what happened there. >> what they need to do is come around, full circle. admit when you make mistakes, identify the issues and start moving forward. so there are some lessons to be learned, though, from this patient showing up in dallas. and hopefully, we can take those. and move forward in a much more robust manner. >> to be clear. is texas the exception? or do you believe that it is a solid medical center and a lot of hospitals around the country would have made the same mistakes? >> i believe it's a solid medical center. and by all means, it receives high marks in medical care. i think the challenge is, is this was the first patient to show up on american soil. and your best battle plan never survives first contact with the enemy and this one clearly did not. i don't think it's a case that they were necessarily not as well prepared as any other hospital. i think that you know, with this being a first patient showing up on american soil, that it was
difficult for them to develop an executable plan to take care of this patient. >> because battle is about to keep with your metaphor, adjustment and strategy and that's where we seem to be lacking here. and that takes us to the next news headline this morning. dr. mccormick back to you on this. victim number two, 29-year-old amber vincent is now at emory. she got there the right way this time. although we'll talk about that, one security guard who wasn't in the beekeeper suit like everybody else. she was allowed to fly by the cdc, she called them. she did the right thing. she said this is what's going to happen. are you okay with this. they said yes. mistake? >> yes, clearly. >> how does that happen? >> it hps when things are not coordinated. when there's nobody who is in charge and who for, that all of these kinds of questions have to flow through. and when you hear one, the director say well, she shouldn't have been there, and then we find out that she actually called the cdc, it shows the
disconnected kind of situation that we've seen. and to me, that's part of the explanation for a lot of things we've seen. is just lack of coordination, lack of a central some kind of central authority. >> what do you think about the pendulum swing the other way. which is now everybody on that plane. we're tracking everybody down. they shouldn't fly, they shouldn't be anywhere. the 75, 76 people who are in that point of contact, possibility of the man in texas they're in the no-fly list, very high bar, rarely used. do you think that is the right reaction? or is it overdoing it? >> i think it's, it's a little bit pushing the panic button. i understand there's schools closed. >> employees being told to stay home. >> this woman was not going to transmit virus. >> how do you know? >> to the plane? because she was barely febrile. unless she was going around hugging everybody, which i highly doubt, she was not
shedding virus. >> do you understand, dr. garza, why, why the uninitiated like me, that is unconvincing to me. there's, the big credibility gap is, i'm not sure that we know how you get this virus. i keep being told that it's very difficult to get. but it seems like every time someone is anywhere near it, dr. garza, everybody in their circle becomes suspicious to the medical experts. what am i missing? >> correct. yeah. and i think it comes down to, to understanding of risk. and so a lot of people internalize the personal risk. because it's a very unfamiliar thing. if you think about the people that have become infected, it is the two nurses that worked very closely with mr. duncan, that were around a huge volume of virus from this patient. and those are the two people that were affected. >> joe, why do you keep drawing these big circles around these people when they get it? >> i think it's out of fear, chris. >> is it smart fear? >> no, it's not. because what happens is you then
move your resources away from the focus into a much wider circle. i think the biggest reason for arguing, or for illustrating, not just arguing that she was not infectious, look at the family of mr. duncan. they still, we're now almost 21 days and none of them have become infected. >> and they were really around him. this wasn't just sitting on a plane. and he was very sick. >> and he was very sick. that is what we've seen historically. a lot. and that's why we say -- that someone who gets on the airplane, who has fever of 99.5, is clearly not going to be shedding virus. does that mean she doesn't have any virus circulating in her blood? no. but what it means is she's not shedding it so other people are not going to get it. >> that's a strong point. the people we should be most concerned about. who are around mr. duncan, may he rest in peace, he was really sick in that apartment, they were in close quarters and thus far, none of them have come down
with the virus themselves. dr. joe mccormick, dr. alexander garza, thank you very much. here's a look at your headlines. general martin dempsey says america has a winning strategy to beat isis. in an interview with cnn the general stressed he doesn't see a need to put boots on the ground in the fight against the terror group and adding that baghdad will not fall into isis hands. we'll have more of general dempsey's comments ahead in our next hour. u.s. and european leaders are optimistic about making a deal with iran about its nuclear program. before thanksgiving. a state department official says there's still a whole lot to hammer out, but no move yet to extend the november 24th deadline. the goal is for iran to scale back its nuclear activities in exchange for the west lifting sanctions. it took 29 long years, but the kansas city royals are back in the world series. the royals finish off a four-game sweep of the baltimore orioles to win the american league pennant.
kansas city becomes the first team ever to win its first eight games in the postseason. they will face off against either the giants or the cardinals in the fall classic. san francisco leads the nlcs three games to one and can clinch it tonight. okay, new low perhaps in florida politics. a debate between governor rick scott and democratic challenger charlie crist was delayed last night because of that -- a fan. not a fan like oh, i love your work. but i mean like a fan that blows wind. you can see crist had a small electrical fan beneath the podium, presumably to keep cool and dry. that caused scott to lose his cool. he refused to come on stage, charging crist with breaking the rules. the governor finally emerged seven minutes later, crist kept his fan, the debate began. the next florida debate will be held on cnn tuesday at 7:00 p.m. eastern. no word if there's a fan clause in those debates. >> probably wasn't, crist was trying to avoid the full nixon.
you know not get sweaty during it. you know what a huge advantage that fan is? not at all. what a joke this is. >> maybe rick scott can get his own fan. they're not that hard it come by. >> you might even get a coupon online. meanwhile the ebola crisis is sparking a fierce debate about travel. should there be a travel plan in west africa. how about domestically for health care workers? top lawmakers are demanding the president consider it. there's a lot of talk about a lack of protocols in u.s. hospitals. mine who do we hear that is ready to get it right. that there's a clear demonstration of what to do. look at these two -- live demonstrations showing just how easy it is for health care workers to contaminate themselves with a deadly virus with what we're using now to keep them safe. 24/7 it's just i'm a little reluctant to try new things. what's wrong with trying new things?
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meanwhile, the administration defending the decision not to ban travel to or from hot zones in west africa. let's talk about all of this. with cnn's aviation analyst and pbs science correspondent, miles o'brien and mary sciavo, former inspector general for the department of transportation. mary, when i thought we would be talking to you this morning, i thought we were going to be talking about the travel ban in and out of west africa. but in fact the, they are considering putting health care workers, domestically, who were in dallas, 76 of them, on a no-fly list of the tsa. to stop them from traveling. because we couldn't even control that. what do you think of the new development this morning? >> well, it's tough. it's harsh measures. but i think it's necessary. because of what happened yesterday. you know, aviation is fast and it's borderless and it's the two things that the ebola virus takes advantage of. and so until we get the system under control. ance since we're not going to
ban, the president said we're not going to ban travel from ebola-stricken areas and the world health organization says by december there will be between 5,000 and 10,000 new case as week, that's a lot. so we have to get control of it in the united states or people will quit flying. and that will seriously impact the economy. >> miles, do you think the tsa needs to be involved domestically to keep people like this nurse yesterday from getting on flights? >> well clearly, the health care workers, demonstrated are in the most high-risk to receive the virus one way or another. so i think it's a reasonable thing to expect them not to be involved in public transportation while they're treating people who are most infected and who are transmitting. so i think that's a reasonable thing. i think that's an appropriate response. >> mary, let's talk about the international, the suggestions for an international travel ban from west africa. there are more and more calls. there are 26 lawmakers who are saying the president should do it and should consider it. do you think it's the right
decision? >> yes. and it's long overdue and remember, last week the government also announced that they would not be moving medical workers and medical supplies in and out on commercial aircraft and there are very few going there now, anyway. they would be using military flights, so i think that excuse is gone. and again it's not to punish people who are sick, it's to get control of the situation, so our country can continue to function. >> so you think there should be a travel ban in place. miles, what about mary's argument that we're not really doing much humanitarian aid on commercial airlines going into west africa. >> i do think it's very important to not inhibit the ability for aid workers, for volunteers to get in and out of there. and solve the problem. you're going to solve the problem at the source. and to the extent that you try to build a wall around it, i don't think you're going to enhance your ability to solve it. it's not like you can seal it up in a bag and it will just go away. so fighting it on the ground is the way to do that. impeding the ability of workers to get in and out of there is,
is not necessarily the solution. it's not going to stop the spread. if there's a way to allow that flow back and forth, if there's some measures that can be taken only on military aircraft, if that can be done, i suppose that's something to look at. but i do think in response to what we're talking about here, the focus should be on the health care system. that's what broke down here. the hospital, the cdc, those are the organizations we should be focusing on. the net that's been put in place by the airline system so far has worked. >> mary, here's a possibly dumb question, but i am curious about this. is there any way to just allow flights into west africa with whatever is needed. health care workers and have them fly out empty? i know that's economically not the most sound argument. but we could pay for that for a little while. >> well yes, but again, we're not doing that. that isn't what the united states is doing. airlines that are going into west africa. well and some of the french ones have now shut down.
but air morocco and brussels are the two main ones, what we would be doing is keeping people who have traveled there from coming here and we already allow such kinds of humanitarian flights and aid to places all over the world. including countries where americans are not allowed to go. so i think with the government stating last week they were going to do that on military flights it doesn't ring true. that argument and no one wants to keep health care workers from getting there. but they're not getting there on american planes, anyway. >> i just think with all due respect to mary, who i have great respect for. if we're going to talk a ban like this, should we ban everybody from dallas leaving on a plane. because there's been an ebola outbreak there? that would be the logic. mary, go ahead. >> well you know i think that if we don't get control of this, and-day agree with miles tremendously, the cdc is really has dropped the ball. not the airlines. surprisingly i'm very critical often of airlines. but i think it won't be too long, if we don't get it under
control here, that europe and other countries will be asking that question. should we be banning certain flights from the united states. i think we are going to be under the microscope very soon. >> miles, the public, i think we showed a poll, maybe not, the public seems to agree with mary, that there should be a travel ban from west african countries that would make the public feel better here in the u.s. >> well, yes. people are afraid. and i think when you, when you institute a ban, that just it ex-as baits the fear. it becomes a little death spiral of fear as we go down this road. when you consider that they've closed down some schools and are cleaning schools in cleveland, because a teacher flew on the plane, not even with the health care worker. subsequent to her being on the plane, you have to say to yourself, people are not really thinking this through and thinking about what the real risks are. our perception of risk is very frequently discordant with what our real risks are.
>> mary, i see you want in for a last comment? >> well, and that's the exact reason for the ban. we don't trust, americans, yesterday, the one big blow that the nurse traveling had was the cdc, particularly after she called them -- people are concerned because it's their lives and their children's lives at stake. and we can't trust the people that are supposed to protect us. and so that's why they take these measures. eliminate the fear by eliminating the possibility. which is the travel ban. which will make them feel better. because it is sensible. it's just common sense. >> mary, miles, thanks so much for debating this with us, we appreciate it. different story, same urgency. another night of violent clashes between protesters and police in hong kong. the city is in chaos after televised footage showed officers stomping a demonstrator. government leaders say they're ready to negotiate and end the standoff. is it already too late? and trying to stop an ebola outbreak here in the u.s. we're going to show you just how
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forecast. what do we need to know? >> three big stories today. one, the rain in new york is going to get a lot colder by sunday. so if you're driving to new york city today, expect delays, flying out of the city will be slow this morning as well. we have a big hurricane, major hurricane in the atlantic ocean, not going to hit the united states. that's the second big story. the high today in new york, 69 with the cloud cover. 70 in d.c. here comes the chilly air, pumpkin-picking weather, highs in the 50s in new york city by sunday. in fact, 53, morning low will be in the 30s. here's a second story of the day. category 4 hurricane gonzalo, major hurricane headed to bermuda. likely about 115 miles per hour as it makes its closest approach to bermuda, and that will be on friday. second story, second big storm in the water will be ana, the good news, this thing did not develop. this is the hurricane that's going to move into hawaii. it did not turn into a hurricane overnight. still forecast to do so, though.
and that will also be friday night, hawaiian time, winds about 75 miles per hour. chris, back to you. >> hopefully that misses everything. chad, thank you very much. so, officials at texas health presbyterian, they are apologizing for some of their mistakes. that left two workers infected with ebola. apologies matter, because it indicates change. so now the question is, even though they apologized, do our health officials really know how to protect doctors and nurses from the deadly virus. we have a live demonstration that shows how easy it is to get infected with the recommended gear, these two people are about to show you. ♪ turn around ♪ every now and then i get a little bit hungry ♪ ♪ and there's nothing good around ♪ ♪ turn around, barry
get fire adapted now at fireadapted.org welcome back to "new day," a dallas hospital is pushing back this morning against accusations that it didn't have proper protocols in place while treating thomas eric duncan. the hospital in question, texas presbyterian, says accusations from the national nurse's united do not reflect actual facts as they see it and the hospital followed guidelines from the cdc. the protocol issue has been front and center. now questions are swirling over whether poor protective equipment played a role. let's take a look, a hands-on
look. we have dr. alexander van tulleken, cnn medical analyst and senior fellow at the institute for the international humanitarian affairs and lisa bowman, executive of airs for the new york nurse's union. we thought we would do a demonstration to highlight the differences. in the blue, producer miguel is dressed in the cdc-recommended personal protective gear. on his left is john. and john is wearing the w.h.o. guidelines. you can see there's a stark difference. alexander, highlight what are the biggest differences between the two. these are our representations, they're not accurate to a tee. >> and you've very sensibly not raindr robbed the hospital of the equipment they need. miguel's legs are exposed.
much more of his neck is exposed. and the other thing is that the back of his gown is open. so it assumes that you can only get contamination from the front. if you get contamination from the back, if a patient is sick on your back, you have a real problem taking it off. in the contrast, john who is following the w.h.o. guidelines, is covered head to toe, his entire head is covered. >> no skin. >> no skin is exposed. and his feet aren't exposed. and he could get his back exposed safely. >> lisa, this is where i want to talk to you, in terms of the nurses, dealing with this front and center on the front lines this is concerning that there is no standard. we know the cdc has a different set of protocol than the w.h.o., than doctors without borders and the standards aren't clear-cut for every hospital. that's really an issue. >> i would say that the cdc guidelines are not adequate. and places like emory, nebraska, and bellevue are going beyond the cdc guidelines as they should. i would say that neither of
these two examples are adequately protective. and particularly when it comes to respiratory protection. we need to differentiate between someone who is dealing with a patient who has a confirmed case of ebola and someone who walks into an emergency room. >> not sure what they have. they're not highly symptomatic. and you may not need as high a level of protection. but if you're dealing with a patient who has a confirmed case of ebola, you should be wearing a much higher level of personal protective equipment and you should be much more covered than either of these two people are. >> the suit, needs to be impermeable. it cannot be a permeable fabric. >> and this zipper makes it permeable. >> okay. interesting. >> tape over the seams. the other important thing, the point lisa is making is exactly right. the equipment isn't good enough. if you look at the protocols for what to do. >> the removal.
we've had so many people on our air talk about the medical professionals. saying you could wear a garbage bag of home depot but it's the key of how you're removing that there's different centers. the cdc itself has two different set of guidelines on how to remove it. >> profoundly confusing. i was on the website five minutes ago and when you download the guidelines, this morning after they claimed they changed them. they are exactly the same and there are two different ways of removing this garment. if you're trying to train people, you don't know which standard to follow. they differ in terms of handwashing procedures. the w.h.o. guidelines say you remove your gloves, you clean your hands and then you remove your face equipment. >> doctors without borders have been following that protocol and have great success in it. why is that not be done in the united states, is there any sense of why that is? >> i think because the guidance has not been clear and the precautionary principle is not being followed. the precautionary principle says you provide the highest level of protection possible. if that is done, with a
tremendous amount of training, because these procedures for what we call donning and doffing personal protective equipment are very complicated. you need to have a tremendous amount of training and practice. in order to do it safely. >> repeat it over and over and over. >> and you also need to have a buddy system. where you have someone watching you and helping you with the process. >> in terms of the training. that you're even showing me on the cdc website before i came out here. how does that information and the guidelines get sent to hospitals? how is it disbursed and how are people trained? i want to talk about the training that you're seeing. how does that get sent out? >> at the moment, the answer is it's not, which is why we're seeing people with no idea of the protocols and i think the buck here really stops with the cdc. this is not hard to take down one set of guidelines and to upload the w.h.o. guidelines. they could have done that overnight. it would take you 20 minutes to do that. it's a quick fix and they haven't done it. at the moment resources that are widely available for hospital managers are really bad.
the nurses are the front line. to not protect our nurses is to have nurses not showing up to work and that's really terrifying. >> dr. mccormick was telling us on the air a few moments ago, at a hospital in texas he heard some of the people in the hospitals were getting training from youtube. what is the training procedure? you mentioned bellevue. they're going above and beyond the protocol and the training. is that sort of the standard for here in new york? and what are other hospitals around the states doing in terms of training? >> i believe for new york city bellevue is the standard. and they are taking professional trainers who are spending extensive amounts of time doing hands-on training over and over again. you bring up an important point in that a lot of hospitals are handing out flyers and leaflets. that show how to don and doff personal protective equipment or sending them to watch videos, that is not acceptable. this is a very complex procedure. and it has to be done right every time. >> it's not just about protecting the individual. but it's about protecting the
community. lisa, thank you so much for joining us, i appreciate it. >> alexander, always a pleasure and our models, you look fantastic. we appreciate it. you can go back to work now. obviously there's a lot of points of concern now, alisyn and chris, glad we were able to illustrate some of the concerns for sure. >> didn't know that about the zipper making it permeable. great stuff, thank you so much. the ebola crisis could be taking more than a human toll, world markets shaking up, stocks are sliding, futures sharply down this morning. is this because of ebola? we'll break it down. plus new information for you about a second ebola-infected texas nurse being treated at an atlanta hospital, emory. how did the cdc allow her to board a plane one day before she was diagnosed? are they on their game or not? they're supposed to be in charge, aren't they? dr. sanjay gupta will join us with perspective right ahead. woman: everyone in the nicu --
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market standards, it may be. there's a legitimate question, are the fluctuations on wall street something to do with the fear. the dow plummeted 460 points, it did stage a comeback, ended down 173. the question is why. in futures this morning, already sharply down. let's get some perspective on this. we have cnn global economic analyst and assistant managing editor at "time" rona faruhar and christine romans, cnn business chief correspondent. let's set the table here ranna, what do you think are the major moves going on in the market? >> i think the market is just catching up to economic realities. for a long time we've had a recovery in this country that hasn't felt like a recovery. but markets have been way up here. there's been this disconnect. now global growth is being downgraded, europe is in danger of tipping back into recession, china is having a slowdown. markets are responding to it. and our own recoverry in this market isn't strong enough to
offset the fears. >> the markets have a lot of predictable reasons to be coming down. it's been 1,000 days since the dow or the s&p has had a correction of 10%, it's normal to correct. it's healthy for stocks to pull down. we haven't seen that everyone has been waiting and don't forget, october, the fed stops the stimulus game. that's a very big deal so anybody who thought the market could go up, up, up, is crazy. you've got to have pull-back. the question is, does it stop here or keep going? this morning it looks pretty ugly. european stocks are down sharply. asian stocks closed down sharply and dow futures are down sharp again this morning. >> i feel it's important to pull the veil back on the inside game. that often moves the market. that we don't pay attention to. so speak to two things -- stongs have been bought back by companies more than they have been bought by anyone else in the retail sector. i want you to talk to that. and christine, i want you to talk to the new subprime problem of how commodities have been
used and people are unwinding those now. start with the idea that companies have been buying their stock more than anybody else, right? >> absolutely. one of the reasons that companies buy back stock is it kicks stock prices up. it has a virtuous cycle for shareholders, many of them are the top executives in the companies. a lot of analyst that as share buy-backs go up, investment in the real economy goes down. >> it's financial engineering. >> they think their stocks are cheap, they buy their own stock, they think it's undervalued. >> using their cash in the bank, too. >> a huge businessman carlos ghosn said we need to stop the financial engineering and start rebuilding the economy. companies have to spend money again, making real jobs for real workers. >> given these times, what are you advising? >> if you're close to retirement. you should not be 100% in
stocks, i know you agree with me on this. there's a lot of people who have ridden the last five or six years, made good returns in the stock market. you need to know your risk tolerance, you should not be 100% stocks. if you're 65, 75 years old. for young people, you want to see pull-backs, because you're buying stocks cheaper and for the long-term, it's good for your 401(k). >> the other thing to remember is u.s. is still the prettiest house on an ugly block. i think we're going to see a pick-up in this market. >> people parking money in the u.s.? >> i think so. if you look at where the growth is it's here. not in the supposedly fast-growing emerging markets. >> if you can refinance your mortgage? you've got ten-year note yields, they're parking their money the treasury market. the 10-year yield is 1.8%. mortgage rates are going to go down, if you can get a refinancing, ben bernanke said he tried to refinance and couldn't. because they're so strict. >> they have different levels of risk tolerance now as it deals
with regular people. but the reason i asked you about this commodity thing is there are a lot of people, i have a good buddy who runs potamus capital up in connecticut. he said the commodities are the new, oil, gas, all these different things, that that's the new subprime problem and that people have been wrapping up all of these financial instruments in them again, with a lot of leverage. same problem as the last time with mortgages and starting to unwind them now. >> i think commodities have been financialized, they've become trading instruments. >> we don't hear about this. >> there's a big slowdown in china. the u.s. is coming online as a big supplier of energy, pushing down oil prices. >> oil prices have lunged from $107 a barrel this summer. to $80 a barrel. gas prices will go down. it's good for the consumer, but it gives us bigger-picture concerns about slowing global growth. >> not just supply and demand. they're using it as part of their game now. they've come up with a new way
to make money amongst themselves, wrapped up around a commodity instead of a mortgage. >> you hear the bigger picture. >> it's not fair game. >> well that's a good point. >> at base, the problem with this recovery is the wages aren't going up. i've been saying that for a long time. until you see wages start to tick up and people have more money in their pockets, you cannot have a sustainable recovery that feels like a recovery. >> when companies are spending money, keeping it in the bank or buying back their own shares, it doesn't raise wages, it doesn't create jobs. christina, rana, thank you very much. >> when the market goes up and wages are not going up. there's a reason. >> income equality. rich get richer. >> something going on with the market, insider games, i'm all over it. thank you as you always, great to have you here. one big story this morning, we're following a lot of news. so let's get to it. the second critical care
nurse to contract ebola receiving treatment here, at emory hospital in atlanta. >> we are monitoring, supervising, overseeing in a much more aggressive way. >> vincent was on a frontier airlines flight from cleveland to dallas. >> she should not have traveled on a commercial airline. >> the cdc is considering putting the 76 health care workers from the dallas hospital on the tsa's no-fly list. >> the administration plans to announce giving the pentagon authority calling up reservists to fight ebola in west africa. >> i'm taking it very seriously. >> good morning, and welcome back to "new day," i'm alisyn camerota along with chris cuomo. great to be with you. why did they let her fly? the cdc getting blasted this morning for allowing a texas nurse, amber vincent, seen here, to board a commercial flight from cleveland to dallas, even though she says she tried to warn them beforehand that she was running a slight fever. after treating a dying ebola
patient. the frontier airlines crew on her flight now placed on medical leave for 21 days. vincent is being treated at an atlanta hospital where she is said to be in stable condition at this hour. and in one of the most bizarre scenes, despite the concerns about transmission, a man seen here on the tarmac who was helping prepare vincent to fly to atlanta, is without a hazmat suit or any visible protection. >> it is like a metaphor for the situation. do we know what to do or not? this ebola situation, i don't want to call it a crisis, but it's starting to raise fears, it has people on edge. schools in texas and ohio are closing for the day because of concerns about ebola after the nurses' flight. this is officials at texas health presbyterian, that's where, that's the hospital where the man lost his life and two nurses work there bracing for a possible walkout by their nursing staff because they don't have their game together enough. president obama now stepping up his concern, he's canceling another day of events in order
to stay at the white house. and deal in quotes with the emergency. how do we do that? the cdc, they're considering whether to place 76 workers from the embattled hospital on the tsa's no-fly list. the irony, after they let the woman who was infected, fly. the cdc director thomas friedan is expected to get grilled today on capitol hill in a hearing. let's start in dallas with senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. good morning, elizabeth. >> good morning, chris. chris, amber vincent's temperature was just one degree too low to keep her off the flight from cleveland to dallas. this morning, the second critical care nurse to contract ebola receiving treatment here, at emory hospital in atlanta. transferred from texas health presbyterian as officials are worried that furloughed employees and a possible walk-out of nurses would leave them unable to care for 29-year-old amber vincent. officials say vincent is more
progressed than nina pham, the first nurse to be diagnosed with the deadly disease, both having extensive contact with the no now-deceased liberian, thomas duncan. >> some of the forms of ppe used did allow exposure of some parts of the skin. >> all 76 may be placed on a no-fly list according to a source familiar with the situation. fearing the virus could be transmitted within a confined aircraft. >> she should not have traveled on a commercial airline. >> this, after a shocking revelation that vincent, the second health care worker with ebola, flew to cleveland on a commercial airline two days after duncan passed. and just a day before experiencing ebola symptoms. vincent flew back to dallas on frontier airlines flight 1143. a federal official tells cnn, the nurse called the cdc before boarding and reported a higher-than-normal body
temperature, but lower than the crittia for ebola. no one told her at that time she shouldn't fly. frontier airlines tells cnn they pro actively placed six crew members on paid leave for 21 days, after being notified by the cdc that vincent may have been symptomatic. >> there's no way she should have been on that flight. she was being monitored here in dallas and if she was monitored correctly, she would have gotten into the hospital, i think earlier than going on that flight. >> now, you might remember, two days ago, a nurse's union said that there were many, many safety violations here at texas health presbyterian hospital. the hospital just now issuing a press release, saying that that, that those accusations do not reflect the actual record. they say that they met and in some cases exceeded cdc guidelines. alisyn, chris? >> scary on two levels. that means one, boy, the guidelines are lacking and we have do make sure the hospital gets it right so they move forward doing it the right way.
the nurses are very little reason to lie. the obama administration is poised to deploy military reservists to west africa. ground zero for ebola. to help get the epidemic there under control. hundreds of u.s. troops are already in the ebola hot zone. cnn's barbara starr is live at the pentagon. good morning. >> good morning, alisyn. more than 500 u.s. troops are in west africa, later today, the pentagon expected to get that authority to call up reservists to join them in that hot zone. we don't know how many reservists. we don't know how many of them may be medical personnel. reservists of course, people who live and work in towns and cities across this country. the military also putting out rules for how it will deal with ebola if there are troops that have come into contact with the virus in west africa or may be at risk, they will be evacuated back to the united states. and treated in a facility here. commanders will also have the authority to isolate their
entire unit of troops, in africa for the final ten days of their deployment if they feel there is reason to. all of this just underscoring how much this is touching towns and communities across this country. alisyn? >> it sure does, barbara, thanks so much for the update. chris? >> all right. thank you very much. we want to talk about what's going on here, because we have these breaking developments overnight in the ebola crisis. the latest situation is that we know that the second victim, also a nurse, has been taken to atlanta. emory university hospital is seen as being more equipped to deal with the situation. >> so let's talk about this. because joining us now are bill frist, former u.s. senator, majority leader and a heart and lung transplant surgeon and chairman of hope through healing hands. and we want to bring back cnn chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. gentlemen, thanks so much for being here. senator frist, i want to start with you. who is in charge in the u.s. of coordinating the ebola response?
>> you know, at this point it's the local public health official. when you have a spread of a virus like this, or a disease like this, it really comes down to what happens locally in your community. and the finger--pointing that's going on in washington, d.c. and the distrust of institutions, all of that i believe needs to be put aside and focus on the disease. the fact we have a medical illness, a disease, a virus, we know a lot about. and we do know how to contain it. how to control it. that's where the focus needs to be. not all the finger-pointing about who's in charge and blaming the cdc and the federal government. right now, the public health response, i believe is very, very effective here in the united states. >> and senator, i don't want to engage in finger-pointing, we want to get the best information out there. doesn't it seem that the cdc has dropped the ball in terms of a coordination of preparing hospitals for this? >> you know, i don't think that the cdc has dropped the ball. you've got medical professionals, you've got doctors, you've got the smartest
people in america on this. on the virus itself. so could they do better in terms of communication? yes. that's going to always be the case. but i think the cdc is doing a fine job, an outstanding job. we need better communication, we need a better narrative on what needs to be done in terms of response, in terms of holding down the virus. but all in all, i think the cdc is having a strong, good, positive response. >> senator, do you think it is time for something like an ebola czar, one person who is the point person? >> yes, i do. i think the confusion that does come down to the local level is exactly the question you ask. who is in charge? who is setting the guidelines? and i have encouraged gently, washington, d.c., to have one single person. is it the cdc? i don't think it is the cdc. right now they're focused a lot on what's happening in the united states, appropriately. but at the same time we have a global concern and liberia and in this epicenter overseas. and we need one person that is the spokesperson, it does have
the medical knowledge. they can coordinate with clarity, with consistency around the country. ultimately, though, it's going to be a local response. the typical american today is not at risk. there are 23,000 people who die of the common flu every year. and people need to recognize that. and relax in many ways, recognize it's very significant, but this is not something that the average american needs to be overly concerned about in terms of their own safety. >> that is great perspective to be reminding people of this morning. sanjay, do you think that is the answer, having one point person going forward? >> yeah. i agree with the senator on that. you know, in part what i think is what you're seeing is while the local health departments are in charge of what's happening in dallas, in some ways you could say that this is sort of become a national issue. amber vincent, who by the way is in the hospital now behind me at emory university, she flew on a plane, she had low-grade symptoms. i agree with the senator, there's hardly any risk to the passengers on that plane.
but you know, i think somebody to be able to coordinate these types of things. she was allowed to fly. she made a call to the cdc before she got on the plane, told them she had a low-grade temperature. still allowed her to fly. and in subsequently said -- she should have been on a no-fly list. somebody needs to be coordinating things like that. that has a more national sort of significance and impact. >> that seems like a no-brainer. basically senator, as you know there have been calls by many for an a ebola czar. we had senator rob portman on our air, calling for just such a thing you of course are a surgeon. would you be available to be the ebola czar? >> well, i would not be the appropriate person. >> why not? >> i think you need somebody who is doing this full time in terms of infection disease, i was a transplant surgeon. very familiar with infection disease. i think it needs to be somebody that can speak to all the cabinet members, that can coordinate the social, emotional
as well as the medical and scientific issues. i have called for that, i don't think it's necessary for us to point fingers, it would at this point in time there would be one source that people could go to that had the medical background. this, we know a lot about this virus, the virus is a new virus, but we've got years and years of study around viruses. we know how contagious it is. we know what it takes to stop the spread. and i have a lot of confidence that we've done that here in this country. but the czar would also have to understand that we've got 5,000 people who have died overseas, that number will probably double over time. and there's a potential for spread to other countries, we know it's going on in spain right now. the czar would have to have a broad understanding of both domestic health care policy and response as well as global. but one person would make it a lot easier than everybody wondering who's in charge and questioning and second-guessing. it's a medical disease, we know a lot about it, the disease we need to be fighting, we don't need to be fighting each other and pointing fingers at nurses and hospitals and guidelines and
the cdc director. >> sanjay, do you think that at one of the things that senator frist is calling for is a rapid diagnostic test. we did learn yesterday on "new day" that it's possible to do a blood test very early, earlier than some of these exposed health care workers are getting tested. can that, is that possible? moving forward this rapid diagnostic test, sanjay? >> i think rapid diagnostic tests are a good idea as a potential screening tool. but keep in mind a couple of things, first of all, they have to have a very high degree of sensitivity. and what is known as specificity. what i mean by that is you can't have false negatives, right? because if you have false negatives, you would basically clear somebody. even though they might actually have the virus. that can't happen. that would be a real problem. and also, false positives where you might actually put somebody in isolation without them having the virus. it would have to be a confirmatory test as well. >> i think sanjay, i do think, though, if you look at the
period of the infectivity. it did occur while the test was pending. i think the number one thing we could do, our scientific community and our medical community and our research community is to develop the right rapid diagnostic test. so that when somebody presents, within 20 minutes or an hour, you could get the diagnosis itself. and if they're free. disease, and we do have the test with the specificity and the accuracy and the sensitivity today. then the question is how do you get the test to africa where there are thousands and thousands of people who need to be tested. and that is a challenge. so a, we need the rapid diagnostic test and then we need to figure out who is going to buy that test to get it to africa. but i think that's probably the number one thing that can be done today, and in getting control and some sense of order and discipline from a medical and scientific standpoint in africa, essentially. while the test was pending, the 48-hour period here in dallas, that infectist and contagiousness occurred.
>> that sure makes sense, sno bill frist and sanjay, great so much for all the information, great to talk to you this morning. let's go to michaela, there is more news this morning. >> u.s. and european leaders think they can get a deal done with iran on its nuclear program by the november 24th deadline. the state department officials say there's many issues to address but no move to extend the deadline. the west wants iran to scale back nuclear activities in exchange for lifting sanctions. a close call for two pennsylvania lawmakers, they found themselves involved in a shoot-out with an armed robber. state representatives marty flynn and ryan bazaro were leaving a dinner tuesday, when they were confronted by a man who demanded their wallets. flynn is a former prison guard who is licensed to carry a hand gun. he exchanged fire with the suspect, who fled the scene. the suspect and three accomplices were later arrested.
frightening moments there. this morning, imagine this, 45-year-old-year-old david mccullum. is free after serving 29 years for a murder did he not commit. his convention was threw out by a judge after prosecutors said he falsely confessed when he was a teenager. the conviction of mccullum's friend and co-defendant, william stucky was also tossed, however, stuckey died in prison in 2001. an oregon man keeps a childhood promise to his brother this guy won $1 million in the powerball drawing. when he was a kid. he made a pact with his brother, quinn. he said man if i ever win i'll split the cash with you. he won. so eric did the right thing -- and called his brother, who lived in washington, told him the good news. brother thought it was a joke at first. but then they got the check. each of them get about $335,000 after taxes. if you'll all excuse me, i have some sisters to make a quick phone call to.
i'm going to be a while. because i got a lot. they have a better chance of winning than i do because they remember to buy the ticket. >> that helps, you have to buy it. >> you have so many, it wouldn't be that much if you guys won. >> i know. but at least we all would share. >> alisyn camerota i feel like you may retain counsel on this. >> i would need conditions on family members, because then other brothers pop up and then the cousins' brothers in law and sisters in law come along. >> the ability to do something like that for your family. meanwhile, president obama promising more aggressive response to ebola cases, are u.s. hospitals prepared to handle this disease? extra steps that some medical centers are taking now to protect you. and anne romney is on a mission, a medical mission, she's here to tell us about it and set the record straight on the rumors of a romney 2016 campaign.
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duncan, the man who died in dallas fighting off ebola. so now hospital officials in dallas are clearly having trouble containing the virus. and learning how to deal with it how do we know that? they have two nurses who contracted the virus from their protocols, a lack thereof. how can big hospitals prepare to handle patients? can they at all? let's bring in dr. kenneth davis, the ceo and president of the mount sinai health system. one of the largest health systems in the nation, good to have you here. basic question, are you ready? >> we're ready. >> how do you know? >> we've already had drills and drills and drills, education on top of education. we've had meetings that have gone on, repeatedly and sometimes almost endlessly to prepare. what we've done is we've identified just one place in our hospital system that would be the center for our taking care of patients in isolation. >> so all patients go to one place. >> one place. but in new york city and new york state, we're already
talking about this. through our department of health and through the greater new york hospital association. in fact as i leave today, i will be going to a meeting of the greater new york hospital association to talk about what we're doing city-wide to respond. we've identified bellevue hospital as the first site for patients who are potential ebola victims. >> are you following the cdc guidelines or are you going beyond them and going more with the w.h.o.? the answer to that question is you're going beyond. why are you doing that? >> you want to be as stringent as you can be. you want to protect health care workers as much as possible. >> cdc is not enough? >> cdc's recommendations are less relevant than what happens at the local level from the department of health and our own infectious diseases. our own assumption is to assume the worst case and protect everyone maximally. >> you're using the full beekeeper outfit, the hazmat suit. >> yes. >> and are you using the sprays with bleach and all that stuff to help assist?
>> clorox everywhere. >> putting it on the stuff that happens when someone is patient. using it before you clean? how are you using it? >> you're exactly right. housekeeping is critical here. triple-bagging waste products. making sure the room is super-cleaned. what you need is not just every, any old housekeeper. you have to train the housekeepers, what we've done is actually created a team of volunteers, who all wanted to be engaged in this kind of care. feel comfortable in doing it and drilling and drilling and drilling on this. >> did you go to school on what happened in dallas? >> sure we do, we all learned from what's happened in dallas. >> would that have happened at a place like mount sinai? >> we would assume not. >> texas presbyterian is a real hospital. a noted health center. it's not like somewhere in the middle of nowhere. >> look, what we also know is that at emory and nebraska this hasn't happened. they're prepared, they knew what to do. they've dealt with these kind of conditions beforehand. think that's what you have to be, ready and drilled and
educated. >> i get calls the other day, there's a couple at bellevue, they have it, they have it. i get another call, there's someone at this hospital, they have it, they have it we're worried, they're closing schools, new york, those things all get magnified. what do you say to me? i'm the afraid person, you're putting everyone on no-fly lists, closing schools, i'm worried. i i don't believe you know what you're talking about. >> already in new york we've had over 100 false positives. identification of people who have come in and the emergency room has said, because they have fever or because they were not even from west africa, but from africa, we have to assume these are ebola cases. all of them have proven negative. what i'm telling you is the hysteria and the anxiety is worse than the reality. >> the government is contributing to that, though. and i mean government, cdc. they say that this nurse can fly. and then after they make that bad decision arguably, they round up that whole thing, that plane, they're looking at like 1,000 people involved now in terms of how many people they want to start monitoring.
doesn't that make it worse? >> here's what we know -- we know if you're asymptomatic, you don't spread the disease. we know that the disease is largely spread by bodily fluids and that when people are really sick, they could be shedding five to ten liters of fluid a day that contains virus. we have a woman with a low-grade fever. i don't know if she told them she had a fever. >> she did. >> who did she tell at the cdc? that's what she tells us. until we actually sit down with everybody, understand what was said to whom, and what was said in return, we don't really know. but what i do know is this -- the risk of that woman spreading disease on that plane with that low-grade fever, without diarrhea, without vomiting, is exceedingly low. and what's probably happening now, when the cdc calls everybody on the plane, is to assure them that the risk is low, and probably telling them, you just watch yourself in the
next 21 days and make sure thaw don't have fever. if you do have fever, come right away and they're identifying where they should go. >> the best fact to calm panic right now is the people who should be most likely, god forbid, to have gotten this virus from someone who was sick are the family and friends of mr. duncan in dallas, and to this point, they've had none of those people who were all, many of them in the apartment with him when he was very, very sick. none of them have been seen with the virus themselves. that's a good fact. >> that is precisely correct. >> well good luck here and it's good to know you're not waiting for a case to start figuring out how to prepare for a case, dr. ken davis, i appreciate it. alisyn, to you. will mitt romney run? or is he done, done, done? the woman who knows him best, ann romney, is here to set us straight on that. and we also hear about the important medical fight that she is involved in. stick around. people with type 2 diabetes come from all walks of life.
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will he or won't he? that's the question surrounding mitt romney and his family as calls grow for the republican to make a third bid for the presidency. monday, the "l.a. times" quoted ann romney as saying mitt and the family are quote done, done, done, with running for office. but later this week the "washington post" said her answer was quote, we'll have to see what happens. for now at least the romneys are focused on another kind of campaign. tuesday, mrs. romney launched the ann romney center for neurologic diseases at brigham and women's hospital and joins us along with the center's co-director, dr. howard weiner.
thanks for being here. we have so many things to talk to you about. it's an interesting morning and a timely one. for you to be here. we have so much medical news. first, can i just ask you your thoughts about ebola and how the country and the hospital in texas has handled the treatment there? >> well you know we're ought frightened as americans when we think of this illness that looks like you know, just so deadly. is now in our shores. so we have to have a strategy. we have to have maybe strategic centers that are set up across the country to really have places that are going to be able to very effectively deal with this. >> it does seem as though that's the answer. that's where the most recent patient, the nurse who was infected has now traveled to. because it seemed as though dallas wasn't quite up to it. >> well, you know, how would we, we just need to get more prepared and we need to have a strategy to getting there. >> let's talk about what you're here for, let's talk about the ann romney center for neurologic
diseases. why did you want to do this? >> because of this guy right here. he is my doctor, and he is the one that gave me hope when i was really, really fearful. and now mitt was, in that evening piece, he introduced me from going from the wounded to the warrior. and i loved that because i was in a really dark place, i was really frightened. i had an amazing doctor to help me get through that. and now it's time for me to be the warrior. and to give hope to the millions. we think there are 50 million people worldwide that suffer from neurologic diseases. so we're not going to be just studying ms. we're going to be studying alzheimer's, als, parkinson's and brain tumors in addition to ms. it's very ambitious. >> what will the center do differently than people can get at their regular hospital? >> this is a research center that is going to try to come up
with new treatments. so what we want to do is we want a doctor to be able to sit down and patient, who has alzheimer's or als and say, rather than saying there's no treatment, here's how we can treat you and once we get treatments, we'll move to cures. >> a portion of the letter by mitt. he says from the wounded, you have become one of the warriors. i could not be more proud of the 15-year-old girl i fell in love with almost 50 years ago. that was an open letter from your husband, mitt romney. this week. >> i'm crying. >> i know you are he's so, he's so wonderful. and you know we have such an extraordinary partnership and he was there for me when it was really, really tough. and you know he was with me when dr. weiner saw me initially and said -- you know, he took me by the arm and said, we're going to deal with this. you're going to be okay. but you need people like that. to make sure that you can
survive these things. and the thing that compels me now is there are people being diagnosed, that have no treatment. and als and alzheimer's in particular, i think, people suffering so terribly from parkinson's and it's time to start making some breakthroughs in those areas and to let people like dr. weiner say -- yes, this is what you have and now i have a treatment for you. so i'm excited. he's working on in his labs. a nasal vaccine for alzheimer's. how amazing, we have to unleash that power. >> how close is that? >> we're ready to begin the experiments in the laboratory work. we're going to test it in people and it's very interesting, we're trying to break down silos in the ann romney center for neurologic diseases. this came from work we did on m.s. we applied it to alzheimer's. we have something we found in m.s. that we found that might help brain tumors.
so the ann romney center for neurologic diseases is breaking down silos. we call it a collision of collaboration, in terms of different diseases coming together. and we want to collaborate around the world. in the united states we're working with people in san francisco, chicago, johns hopkins. so this is a collision of collaboration breaking down silos in the ann romney center and across the world. >> that's so great. breaking down the silos, sharing information and giving people hope. let's talk about politics. because speaking of hope, i have heard from a lot of people who do hope that mitt romney gets back into the race in 2016. they are pulling for another romney race. what do you think about it today? >> well i think, you know, i think people probably are looking and saying, this is one competent guy who really is a great leader, who has done, he's been in so many turn-around situations. he's turned around companies, he turned around the olympics, he was a great governor.
he has extraordinary leadership abilities and i think the times call for someone of that capability. and i know he would have been a great president. you know i look what happens internationally and i look what's happening in russia, i don't believe that would be happening if mitt were there. so you know -- >> you're making a great case for him running. >> i know and my kids are like, come on, you know, dad, just such a shame you're not there. but we've been there and at the election night, we all looked at each other, my boys, my daughters in law, my husband and myself and we just said, we gave it everything we had. we didn't have an ounce left to give. and then we just knew it was just done. it was you know, we had done what we could. and we were there and an emotionally and mentally, that's where we still are. >> and does mitt feel the same way? >> absolutely, yeah. >> so when you said, done, done, done -- let me actually read what you said. because it sounded fairly definitive. you said, done, done, done,
done. completely not only mitt and i, but the kids are done. done. done. done. as chris said yesterday, what did you mean by that? >> i think that means done. >> but then it seemed as though in another interview, you said sort of never say never. >> you know, you never do say never. but you know, that's not where we are. we are mitt's out right now supporting candidates that are running in the 2014 cycle. and you know we're going to stay involved. we are so involved in this. we're so excited about this. i have other things i'm working on that i can't wait to talk about. maybe in a few months. but it's, you know we've we have, we're concerned and we are still going to be involved. but not in that way. >> you feel very final and definite that he will not be running. >> at this point in time, that's where we are mentally is done. >> so he's running. >> you know these political
questions -- >> so anyway, thank you for all of that it's really great to talk to you. and also about the center and dr. wiener, you're going to be giving patients a lot of hope. >> we're very excited. >> thanks so much for being here. over to chris. >> i'm no doctor, but i am on tv and i'll tell you this, if you're worried about mental health, stay away from politics. that's my nod. my one bit of advice to the romney family. here's what we know, his owner is doing better. but what about bentley the dog. may have been exposed to ebola, now quarantined. we're going to talk to the person looking after him. we have to understand the relationship of pets to this virus. so stay with us. (receptionist) gunderman group.
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amber vincent flew, despite telling the cdc she had a low-grade fever after helping treat patient thomas eric duncan who died from ebola. the first nurse, nina pham she is said to be improving and no doubt thinking of her dog. bentley has been quarantined and will be monitored for the foreseeable future. what are the logistics of going into a quarantining a dog. here to tell us is jodie jones, the director of the dallas animal services. jodie urks not personally caring for bentley, you're overseeing his sort of general care, correct? >> that's correct, michaela. bentley is quarantined and being cared for using the appropriate protective measures. just like you would for an ebola patient. >> how is he doing? how is bentley doing so far? >> bentley, very pleased to say is doing wonderful. we're blessed and bentley is really a people dog. and you know, outside of nina's
care and her recovery. bentley was the next most important thing to that family as is often the case in most american families today. >> you mentioned the fact that he's a people dog. it makes you wonder how a pup deals with being quarantined. that's a bit of a concern. as are the concerns of how you feed that dog and how you care for that dog and remove the dog's waste. can you help us understand the logistics of managing all that? >> absolutely. public safety is the upmost concern. so we're not able to provide all the comfort that you would in your typical home environment. but we have been very fortunate in being able to create a home-like environment for bentley. so he actually is residing in the kitchen of a formerly owned home. he is created or contained during his stay in the home and
he is moved between different crea ca crates to clean. we were using trained hazmat type people to provide the care under the direction of dr. katherine mcmanus and myself. to insure he got humane compassionate care as well as the professionals insuring that the proper public safety precautions were in place. >> and that's where the questions lie. because we have so little data about dogs and ebola. they can carry the ebola virus, but right now, where does the data stand on whether or not they can transmit the disease? >> there is one study out there. the question comes into play in if the animals can shed the virus. there are no known cases where animals have actually transmitted ebola to a human.
so the recommendations are that there are very little risks involved here. but again, in an effort to maintain public safety and health of everybody involved. we are taking all of the precautions that are recommended by the cdc, and the state officials. >> we're seeing the foreseeable future. in humans the virus can be dormant for 21 days. what do we know, do we know enough? how long will bentley be in quarantine? >> the initial quarantine period is going to be 21 days. we're working with some of the officials to establish what the release process would be for him. they're feeling pretty confident that if he doesn't show any symptoms and everything goes well. he should be able to be released and reunited with his family after the 21-day quarantine. >> i'm sure everybody in the family is looking forward to that. >> spooking to that, this pet is a member of this family.
we saw a very different situation happen in spain. i'm curious if you're part of the process of making a decision what would happen to bentley. was there debate about what to be done? or was it sort of clear-cut there in dallas? >> no, it was very clear cut in dallas. city officials, county officials had committed and to the bentley was going to see this through. i have to say the outpouring of support for texans and throughout the world for the care of bentley. we have set up a fund, a pet fund, the dallas companion animal project is helping us collect resources that will be used not just for bentley, but should there be additional pets. >> i'm curious, does nina know how bentley is doing ? has she asked about it? >> yes, nina called us the day before yesterday and spoke with dr. mcmanus about bentley.
and we promised her we were doing everything in our power, we were taking really good care and we were just a little concerned that bentley might be a little heavier when he's returned to her, because he's eating well. >> that's a good sign. he'll get his exercise later and i'm sure he did a lot to boost her spirits to know that her beloved pet is being cared for. it's kind of a two-way street. jodie jones, thanks so much. a lot of people think this is a frivolous can conversation, other people can't believe we wouldn't ask this question. thank you for cutting to the chase with us and helping us understand the importance of it okay? >> thank you. >> chris, over to you. >> general martin dempsey, no less than the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, is speaking out about something that has been worrying him for months. is isis, iran, afghanistan? no. an ebola outbreak. the interview you've got to see. plus, our christine romans goes on an unforgettable journey, find out how one person
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dempsey and his honesty as well. he said months ago that someone from his staff came up to him and said this outbreak is different and it's urbanized and he paid attention and now he says the u.s. has a contingency plan for a pandemic, he is pretty darn concerned. are you, general dempsey, worried about ebola in the u.s.? >> i've been worried about ebola globally for about 90 days and i have had some on my staff that were probably a little more worried than i was, a few weeks or months before that. >> why? >> i'm worried about it because it, because we know so little about it. you'll hear different people describe whether it could become airborne, if you bring two, two doctors who happen to have that specialty into a room, one will say no, there's no way it will ever become airborne, but it could mutate so it could be harder to discover. it disguises itself in the body.
which makes is so dangerous. and has aen incubation period of 21 days. and another doctor says if it continues to mutate, the population might allow it to mutate and become airborne, i don't know who's right. i don't want to take that chance, so i'm taking it very seriously. >> we've really got to be aggressive about the isolation
and treatment matters that we're taking up. >> being aggressive about the training, too, chris, dempsey told me they're organizing boot camps he said, we know how to do boot camps in the military. organizing from health care workers come from all over the world and teaching them the proper medical protocols when they're there in the hot zone. >> good to hear. i like the metaphor of keeping it an away game. the problem is it's become a home game. what's going on with isis and the war against that extremist branch there? that's an away game, too, we're afraid of becoming a home game. what do you say on that? >> talk about how it's moved so quickly. the u.s. has been invested in iraq for two decades, and i wanted to drill down with him how did the u.s. get to this point. i mean there's a $1 billion embassy. what agency took its eyes off this threat? this is what he told me.
the president agreed with national intelligence director james clapper that the u.s. underestimated isis. who underestimated isis? the white house? the pentagon? the intelligence community? >> well, look, i mean, we have watched isis from the time, isil from the time it was al qaeda in iraq and its movement out of al anbar province into syria and we watched it gain military capability and in fact, there was an intelligence official, military intelligence official who, back in february, understood that isil would eventually re-enter iraq. i think what we all probably missed was the degree to which the iraqi armed forces had eroded and wouldn't stand and face isil. i think we all missed that. >> the general also told me, says he's confident, chris, at
this point, baghdad is not going to fall and doesn't foresee needing u.s. combat troops there on the ground to defeat isis at this point but he definitely left that door open. >> very interesting. he's a smart guy. he's a capable guy. everybody knows that, but you know, he needs to be tested and it takes the right questions to do that and you certainly asked them. thank you very much for bringing them to us here. >> thanks, chris. >> all right, alisyn over to you. following the ewoe lacrisis, questions how the second nurse was able to board a commercial flight. we'll speak with a congressman on the subcommittee holding a hearing today. stick with us for the latest.
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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com breaking new details. the cdc knew amber vinson had a fever before she boarded that flight from cleveland and they let her go anyway. but now they're scrambling to put others who had contact with the diseased ebola patient on a no fly list. president obama canceling today's events to deal with the emergency as more lawmakers call for a ban on flights from west
africa. two schools are closed because of the disease. the amazing story how one woman made it to america and the gift she gave to family passed down for generations. our christine romans goes in search of her roots and what she found out along the way. >> your "new day" continues right now. >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> good morning, welcome to "new day." it's thursday, october 16th now almost 8:00 in the east and i'm joined by alysin camerota. an ebola texas nurse should not have been allowed to fly a day before she was diagnosed. amber vinson called them and said i'm about to board a flight, i have a slight fever, i'm one of the people who treated thomas eric duncan, who lost his fight against ebola and
they said you're not going to be stopped. get on a plane with 132 other people. vinson has been transported to atlanta for treatment, is listed in stable condition. that's the good news. bad news? another nurse who works at texas presbyterian is speaking out. she says their infectious disease department was asked about protocol, okay? the answer not reassuring. "we're going to have to call you back." >> ebola jitters are triggering a lot of fallout. several schools in ohio and texas are shut down for the day because of concerns students or teachers may be at risk. officials at texas health presbyterian hospital are publicly apologizing for their mistakes and bracing for impossible revolt as nurses thereupon der a walkout. the cdc considering putting 76 health care workers from that hospital on the tsa's no fly list. president obama clearing his calendar for a second straight day to remain at the white house and deal with the situation.
thomas frieden will have a lot of explaining to do when he appears at a hearing on capitol hill. our coverage begins with chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta live in atlanta. what is the latest there, sanjay? >> reporter: well, amber, vinson is in this hospital behind me. she was transferred here late last night. lot of questions about what exactly happened to her over the past several days. here's what we found out. this morning, the second person to contract ebola in the united states now being treated here at the emory university hospital in atlanta. transferred from dallas late last night, amber vinson, a 29-year-old nurse at texas health presbyterian is the second nurse to contract the disease in the country, after caring for the now deceased ebola patient thomas eric duncan. her home, cleaned by hazmat crews on wednesday, and many now asking how did this happen? according to the cdc, vinson had
"extensive contact with duncan from september 28th to the 30th." that's the highest risk period, when he had extensive production of bodily fluids. just ten days later, within the 21-day period when symptoms manifest, vinson flew on a frontier airlines flight from dallas to cleveland, ohio, to plan her wedding and visit her mom. three days after that, this past monday, she had an elevated fever. her 99.5-degree temperature prompted her to call the cdc before boarding her return flight to dallas. according to a federal official, the agency did not tell her not to board that plane. 99.5 degrees does not meet the cdc's criteria for possible signs of ebola. so vinson continued her travels, flying with a cabin full of 132 other passengers. then just one day later she went to the hospital exhibiting ebola symptoms. on tuesday morning within 90 minutes of taking her
temperature she was put into isolation according to officials and early yesterday morning vinson is diagnosed with ebola. though the cdc says the risk is extremely low for the other passengers the agency is reaching out as part of "extra margins of safety." >> in the isolation -- >> reporter: cdc director dr. tom frieden says this should not have happened. >> she was in a group of individuals known to have exposure to ebola. she should not have traveled on a commercial airline. >> reporter: an official now tells cnn the cdc is considering putting the 76 health care workers from the dallas hospital on the tsa's no fly list. it's quite a remarkable story over the last several days and obviously you hear she called about that temperature, she called the cdc. they told her not a problem, it was okay. i want to point out again she's in the hospital behind me, the same team that took care of dr. kent brantly and nancy writebol
will be taking care as well, five physicians, 21 nurses, the same core team will be up there in the isolation unit now. >> she is in very good hands, sanjay, thanks so much for that update. in just a couple of hours, health officials go before congress to explain what is being done to keep ebola from spreading in the u.s. among those testifying a dallas hospital chief. he says he's deeply sorry for the mistakes made in treating thomas eric duncan. this comes as one nurse who works at texas presbyterian is speaking out. elizabeth cohen is live in dallas with more of the nurses seemi seeming angry, elizabeth. >> reporter: yes, one nurse spoke on the "today" show just now on nbc and she said they were really unprepared for ebola really in any sense of the word prepared. they weren't prepared to know what to look for to make a diagnosis and they weren't prepared to use safety precautions to protect themselves. here's what she said. >> it was just a little chaotic
scene, our infectious disease department was contacted to ask what is the protocol, and their answer was "we don't know. we're going to have to call you back." we never talked about ebola and we probably should have. >> you never talked about it prior to mr. duncan arriving? >> no. we never had a discussion. they gave us an optional seminar to go to. >> reporter: now i spoke with a cdc physician who spent two days inside this hospital training and advising the folks who work here. he said they were very receptive to what he had to say. he said this is a very impressive staff. he said yes, they're anxious, yes they're scared, but he said they are willing to take care of ebola patients. alisyn, chris? >> they're asking for something in return to be protected, can we do that for the people who are willing to risk their lives. so let's talk about it.
congressman michael burgess a republican from texas, also a doctor and on the subcommittee holding that hearing, we'll all be watching today. also with us chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. let's talk, congressman, thank you very much for joining us, about what we just heard from breanna aguirre. "we never talked about this before duncan." that's not good. >> no, it's not and you know, all of the discussion coming out of cdc during the month of september, even with the presidential visit there, was ebola has not come to this country but when it does we'll be ready or if it does we'll be ready but now you see that those statements were perhaps not operational or certainly overly optimistic, and you know, it's pretty easy to focus on the hospital in dallas. i did a conference call last night with doctors around the state. e.r. doctors in houston voiced some of the same concerns that we're hearing on your statements this morning, so it is -- you
know, i'd have to wonder at some point they must have done an exercise what will the first patient who arrives in one of our facilities, what will that look like? we all know that kent brantly came in august. there were people who were concerned about it. we do our summer town halls and people say why are we bringing an ebola patient in this country? we should keep it out. dr. brantly came in the right way, identified and controlled situation. it was the individual who died in the nigerian airport a couple days before dr. brantly came, that individual could have gotten on the plane, we could have patients two months before mr. duncan arrived at presbyterian. this is a risk out there and known. what was the planning, what was the preparation? what will that day look like when the first patient walks into one of our e.r.s and says "i'm sick." >> we now know the answer to that in terms of texas presbyterian and from that nurse the answer is we never talked about it and their reaction as we now know was bad from jump,
from the man that walked into the e.r. i know you support the hospital. i get that. >> that's not the question. the question is the individual from nigeria showed us that that was an eminent possibility even before dr. brantly that dr. brantly came in, was handled the right way. i told wolf blitzer on monday on your show i thought these patients need to be handled in center. every hospital needs to be prepared to make the diagnosis. every hospital needs to be prepared to isolate and stabilize but once that happens you have specialized centers across the country where these patients should be moved, just as vinson was moved last night. look, a researcher that wants to study ebola, they can't just go to a regular lab. they have to go to one of the special bio labs and that is because that is where they have the specialized equipment, the space suits, everything that is necessary to protect the researcher from the virus they're studying. the same should be true in our hospitals. >> the question is, though, why does that have to be true? the original plan, congressman,
was that big centers like texas presbyterian should be ready. they weren't ready. they apologized and said we didn't handle duncan right when we first had him in the e.r. the auto poll gee needed to go far beyond that. they never got it right for these nurses and that's a big reason why vinson was transported, not because the plan is to transport patients. they couldn't get it done at texas presbyterian. we have to be honest about that so we can learn. don't you agree? >> we need to learn from the experience and learning curve at presbyterian has been steep and certainly the personnel there i'm sure will relate that if they're interviewed, but the fact of the matter is that you could see this coming over the horizon. i'll fault the federal agency. i'll fault the congress, but you know, the thing that is missing in this whole equation right now is there's no general in this fight. there needs to be someone who is in charge and directing the battle, because this is a formidable enemy against which we are fighting and right now it does not seem that there's
anyone in charge, and that is troublesome. dr. frieden, i've got every respect for the man. he's one of the most knowledgeable people i've ever talked with, but when he said two days ago that we should have sent our best team to dallas at the start, i thought your best team was in dallas at the start. what were you holding back? >> that part's complicated because you've given so much power to the states the cdc doesn't easily tell them what to do. that's complicated congressman. >> i beg to differ because dr. lakey has been there on the scene from the get-go. >> they don't have the authority you're assuming they have. you know that. >> well i don't think they've lacked for any authority. the county judge has given authority. there is authority in the pandemic plan that came forward in 2005. >> right. >> and was amended in july to include ebola. so the public health authority to take the measures like they've taken to put people on the no fly list, that has existed. it's not that congress passed
another law that said they could do that. they have that authority. it needs to be exercised but can't be exercised unless someone is in charge making the decisions. >> understood congressman. fair point. let me come to you, sanjay, and talk about the cdc. she calls them on the phone, amber vinson, i treated duncan, i have a low fever, they say it's okay, fly. they swing the pendulum all the other way, sanjay, everyone on that plane, you know, even more than that, we have to reach out to all of you, we're going to put the 75 or how many people were around duncan on a no fly list. you know how tough that is, sanjay. seems the reaction to the bad decision was worse than the original bad decision. am i wrong? >> well, the first one was a bad decision, and the second thing that happened probably was in part how it should have been in the first place. it seems like an overreaction because you're comparing it to what already happened with amber vinson but chris, remember, dr.
frieden came out afterward, after the cdc had already said yes to flying. he came out later on saying she would have fallen into a controlled movement category. these are people being monitored, they can fly, only charter though, they can get in a car and drive, but they can't get on commercial airlines. that was what dr. frieden said, that was the guideline on the books, that was what should have been implemented, not only should she not have flown from cleveland to dallas, she shouldn't have taken the first flight as well. the misstep was clearly around her. >> it goes to why people are nervous, sanjay. you know this so well and been helpful as a guide but it's not that they're afraid of ebola. people get it, basically. they keep hearing such mixed things and it makes them scared. we'll keep talking about this. sanjay thank you for being with us and you, too, congressman burgess. we know you're going to be there today. we look forward to the hearing. we know you'll be looking for accountability. appreciate you being with us this morning. >> great, thank you.
>> the reason that you and i would be afraid is because of what we keep hearing. it doesn't seem consistent. she was allowed to fly and they round everybody up after that. who do we believe? who is really understanding what's going on here? now we've heard from this nurse. the nurse comes forward and you're going to hear from her again in a minute. she's the first who worked inside the hospital to speak out. she's going to be talking to anderson cooper tonight on "ac 360" you want to watch that and join us tomorrow morning on "new day" to follow up with it. again she says they never talked about this, michaela, until duncan came into the e.r., they never prepared, zero. >> that's the thing, everybody thinks the media is finger pointing. we want to get to the bottom of it to prevent further points of contact, further vulnerabilities. right now we turn to our headlines and get back to our top story in a minute. hong kong, chief executive officer there says he's ready for pro-democracy talks with demonstrators as early as next week as a rash of new clashes broke out overnight between police and protesters. police using pepper spray to try
to push those crowds back. the crowds are trying to occupy a road outside government headquarters. u.s. and european leaders are optimistic about dealing, making a deal with iran about its nuclear program before thanksgiving. the state department official says there still is a lot to hammer out but yet there's no move to extend the deadline beyond the 24th of november. the goal is for iran to scale back its nuclear activities in exchange for the west lifting sanctions. quite a bizarre night even by florida politics standards. debate between governor rick scott and democratic challenger carlie crist was delayed seven minutes out of a fan, an electrical fan, you can see the culprit there, small fan beneath the podium caused scott to lose his cool. the governor refused to come on stage accusing crist of breaking the rules. the debate continued on with the fan, the next debate is between scott and chris scheduled for cnn here tuesday night 7:00
eastern. police in calhoun county, iowa, threw down spike strips to stop a speeding car, pulled out their guns, ordered the couple inside to the ground but quickly realized why the driver was going way over the speed limit, his wife was in labor. there she is. their daughter was born in the hospital, everyone is just fine. the mom said they did try to call 911 before they were stopped but the dispatcher probably couldn't understand what she was saying through the screams. ten-pound hazel was born an hour after they arrived. >> no wonder she was screaming. >> no ticket? >> right now they're working those details out. of course the police are like well it's best to call ahead. well you could imagine, although they have four other kids so they've been through this. i don't know that they've delivered quite like that. >> it's very hard to get on the ground if you're nine months pregnant and get back up again. >> ten-pound baby that's old school. you remember those.
>> once in a while. >> i was a ten-pound baby. what's your move when you get stopped by the cops? what is your plea for mercy? >> i give them what they ask for. i know doing what we do -- no, i don't. no dough ee eyes. i only give those to you. >> you've never gotten a ticket. >> what is yours camerota? >> i put on a cnn baseball cap and say "yes, officer, can i help you?" >> i look at him and say i'm governor andrew cuomo and if you give me this ticket -- it's never worked once. >> good one. two nurses infected with ebola at once, are hospitals prepared to take on the deadly disease and did the cdc drop the ball? we'll talk to former health and human services secretary tommy thompson to get his take on what went wrong. president obama is doubling down on the fight against ebola. why? were they late on this? is he getting too too ahead?
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welcome back to "new day." this morning the second nurse to contract ebola in texas is undergoing treatment at emory university as health care workers at texas presbyterian may be walking out over concerns they are not adequately protected. meanwhile, the cdc chief is preparing to address ebola concerns before congress today. there are spending cuts in washington, are they partly to blame for this patchy ebola response? let's ask tommy thompson, former health and human services secretary and former governor of wisconsin, joins us now. good morning, secretary. >> good morning, alisyn, how are you? >> i'm well. it sure seems as though the cdc dropped the ball. it seems they were the weak link here in terms of exposures. is that how you read the situation in dallas? >> i think it's awfully easy to point fingers. this is a very complex disease and tom frieden is a very outstanding doctor and i think a
lot of -- you can always point fingers but the truth of the matter is tom frieden is also indicated that they have made some mistakes. now we have to learn from our mistakes. i can remember back when i took over as secretary of health and human services the public health infrastructure in the united states was at an all-time low, and because of 9/11, because of bipartisanship in congress, we were able to increase the budget 1100%. we went from 300 million to almost $15 billion in the four years while i was secretary and we put $4 billion into the infrastructure for local hospitals and state health departments and local health departments. this has to be a coordinated effort from cdc, department of health and human services, down to the state health departments and the local hospitals. i think tom frieden said they made a mistake. they have to learn from those mistakes and make sure they get the information.
the educational stuff to the hospital, to the nurses, to the doctors, and also to individuals. >> well the nurses say that they did not get the proper preparedness training. in fact, one nurse just this morning has gone public, she was on the "today" show. let me play for you what she says went wrong. >> it was just a little chaotic scene. our infectious skis department was contacted to ask what is the protocol and their answer was woe don't know, we'll have to call you back. we never talked about ebola and we probably should have. >> you never talked about it prior to mr. duncan arriving? >> no. we never had a discussion. they gave us an optional seminar to go to. >> an optional seminar, secretary thompson. that does not seem to go far enough and i hear you about not pointing fingers. that makes sense. we don't want to play the blame game but it just seems as though the cdc did not live up to what
it says in its own mission statement on its website it says that one of their top tenets is to train the public health workforce to combat these diseases. >> true. >> so why didn't they do that? >> they should have done that, and i think they've acknowledged that, and they're going to do better in the future. i can remember back when we started with sars and anthrax. every single day we had, through my command center in health and human services, we had daily communications from cdc from the world health organization we put a command center over at the world health organization, nih, every single day we had that, giving out information. we distributed information to the public on a daily basis, cdc should get back to that and continue to do so. they have to be able to as soon as somebody comes out with any kind of infectious virus like
ebola, they should have a command center and also a team from cdc go directly to that hospital. there should have been individuals from cdc set down immediately to presbyterian hospital to talk to the nurses and set up the protocols within that hospital and i think they would have been able to avoid a lot of these mistakes, alisyn. >> secretary thompson, you talked about your time at hhs, and i want to read for you, you talked about budget, what the budget was when you were there, and there is some question as to whether budget cuts now are partly to blame for this. this is what the nih director, dr. francis collins, says about that in an interview last week. "frankly, if we had not gone through our ten-year slide in research support, we probably would have had a vaccine in time for this that would have gone through clinical trials and would have been ready. we would have been a year or two ahead of where we are, which would have made all the
difference." do you think that our public health in this country is suffering because of budget cuts at the hands of this sequestration? >> no, i do not, because when we took over back in 2001, the national health budget for public health infrastructure was $300 million. when we left, or when i left it was over $4 billion. it has been able to maintain that. there has not been the increases that were there during 2001 and 2005, but the overall budget has been somewhere between $4.4 billion and $4.8 billion at nih, dealing with these kind of subjects. so there has not been an increase but i think a budget, i don't think you can blame this on budget cuts. we set aside money for research and that money hopefully is being well used and i'm sure it is, and we should have been able, i think, to hopefully get new vaccines out quickly and
quicker than we probably have. >> sorry to interrupt, why don't we have a vaccine? >> i think, you know, like anything else, it takes time and it takes money, and i think tony fauci, one of the best scientists in the world, is working on through his department and nih, francis collins, they're working on it, but there's a lot of infectious diseases and i don't think ebola probably received as much scrutiny as other diseases, and maybe it's going to have to be one of those diseases like aids that we put more emphasis on and more dollars in the future. but i really think they've had, i don't think you can blame budget cuts on this problem. i think it's a lack of communication, a lack of coordination, a lack of information, and i think we're going to also have to take a look at whether or not we're going to start asking people to when they come from affected countries or the world health
organization or through the united states, where have they been, who they've been involved with, and possibly take into consideration quarantining those individuals that have been involved with ebola patients, from coming to the united states. >> secretary tommy tohompson thanks for taking your time. >> good luck to you, alisyn. >> there is finger pointing going on and eventually fingers will be pointed at the. the. the question becomes what about the administration? should they be doing more to combat ebola within our borders? should the white house have acted sooner? former press secretary jay carney will be here breaking it down for you. later, this is the moment you've been waiting for, christine romans, we now have a new and even more reason to love her, such a personal history lesson you're going to get, her fascinating journey to find her roots is coming up.
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president obama now buckling down in the fight against ebola. he has nixed two days of fund-raising and campaigning to devote full attention to the situation in dallas and beyond. the question is, what more can the president do and with midterm elections approaching, will these efforts be enough to silence critics? will they even matter in the elections? let's ask someone who knows the president well his former press secretary and cnn senior
political commentator mr. jay carney. good to see you. i hold this up for you. do you see it? >> yes, i do, chris. >> "new york daily news, for god's sake, get a grip," just missing the "man" part of that borrowed quote. not a good headline. is it the truth? is the administration off balance, should have been in front, now combined? >> i think whenever there's a crisis like you have now ebola, whenever you have a situation like isis in that region of the world, the problem with ukraine and you have these cascading problems all at once, which are very hard to control individually, let alone collect toughly, you get a white house and administration that appears to be, you know, all-out and under a lot of strain. but you don't get to choose the crisis you deal with as a president. all of these land on your doorstep. i think in the end this is not a political issue. it's an issue that has to be
handled. that's why the president has canceled travel. that's why he's focused now that we have cases in the united states on taking more direct action to protect the u.s. to make sure that this crisis is one that is principally overseas and not a u.s. crisis. there is no question in this environment it all washes back on the white house and that puts him in a bad light. >> it's not just happenstance. if you look at this situation, can you say who is running things right now? every time you have a big problem you have somebody running it. >> sure. >> that you are successor yesterday earnest, just for context, josh earnest was referring to lisa monaco when he was saying the homeland, u.s. homeland security adviser is charge in coordinating. if you're going the homeland security root why wasn't it jay johnson? why wasn't frieden put out in
front? why not show somebody is in charge? >> instead of being simplistic look at the real problem. this is a domestic problem, i.e. a homeland problem because of the cases in the united states and the need to protect the united states from further contamination but it's principally an international -- national security problem which is why you have a big national security element to this. you have the military and you have the foreign policy element. in that situation ultimately the president because it's his administration is charged with all aspects. you wouldn't want jay johnson running the military operation and wouldn't want the defense secretary chuck hagel running the domestic homeland operation. i think it speaks to the global nature of the problem that you have to have a broad swathe of officials involved running aspects of it. on the homeland security, the white house official in charge of it is certainly lisa monaco. on the national security front that would be susan rice working with defense and state. ultimately, all of these things, again, crises you can't control
or arise not because of actions by the administration have to be the president's responsibility which is why the white house is taking the steps it's taking. >> they're taking them late and perception is reality. i've never seen lisa monaco on this, haven't heard from her on this and what people are scared about, i would suggest from what we are getting back from our audience is not that i'm going to get ebola tomorrow. it's that i don't think the government is being straight with me about what they did before, what they know how to do now and what they plan to do tomorrow. that does tom down to leadership and seems like the administration could have made this easier than it has been. >> well, look, i don't think there's any question that the cdc made some mistakes allowing this nurse to fly was a mistake. the hospital clearly made some mistakes, but i think while people can get concerned and they should be, because of the news that they're getting, i think it's a responsible thing to do also to make it clear that right now we're talking about cases involving health care workers who had direct contact
with a patient with ebola. so again, the political reality is, this is always going to hurt the incumbent white house in a situation like this, when there's concern and fear, and whether that's fair or not is sort of irrelevant because that's the political reality. i think the substantive actions have to be taken and they may involve flight restrictions, they may involve moving all patients to specific hospitals in the country that can handle ebola, and i think those would be wise decisions to make. i'm not an expert but i think that would demonstrate a level of seriousness in response to this, that is merited. >> you are an expert in many things including where the white house's head would be on this situation. >> sure. >> that's why it's helpful to have you. after the hearing today we know one thing for sure, there will be a lot of yelling and outrage, some feigned, some legitimate. we'll see what the changes are, fair money is the white house will be behind those. jay carney, thank you very much
for joining us as always. appreciate it. >> chris, thank you. all right, so how did one woman's brave journey across the ocean help bring us christine romans? you're going to find out what christine found out looking into her past, brought her to tears and i'm afraid it will do the same to me. that story coming up. discover card. how can i help you? oh, you're real? you know i'm real! at discover, we're always here to talk. good, 'cause i don't have time for machines. some companies just don't appreciate the power of conversation! you know, i like you! i like you too! at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. get the it card and talk to a real person.
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♪ so wake me up when it's all over ♪ cnn special week-long series roots, our journeys home. this morning, chief business correspondent christine romans digs deep into her past, uncovers the story of an ordinary girl who had the extraordinary courage to leave everything behind in her small denmark town and start her life over in america. christine is here, share with us my friend. >> this was a love letter to my grandma's grandma, this whole project to me was a love letter to my grandma's grandma and my grandma who is watching now i love her so much and to learn so much about her grandmother i went back to the beginning to find out more. she arrived in new york harbor right here 128 years ago this week. watch my journey. this is iowa.
this is where i'm from. corn fields and family and every few years we all get together. all the grandkids and great grandkids and my grandma. this is the picture you gave me and -- >> that's a lot of years ago. >> how old do you think you were? >> probably 17. >> reporter: my grandmother's name is shirley jean peterson, and she remembers her grandma, ana jacobida peterson. i know how much you loved your grandma, i loved my grandma. tell me what your bedstemor meant to you? >> she was like a second mother. she was a great grandmother. i loved her dearly. >> we've grown one a lot of
stories about anna jacobina peterson. ordinary young woman, very simple means who took a chance and has basically built my family. i would have nothing, i wouldn't be here if it weren't for a chance that a poor girl in denmark took 150 years ago. we followed in the footsteps of your grandmother, and i wanted to show you the book we'd made. it's here in iowa with my grandmother where i reveal what i learned about bestemor. something i could only find out by going back to her homeland. good-bye, new york. we're going to bestemor's town. denmark, here we come. this is in copenhagen, april and i. i couldn't visit anna's country without my younger sister, april. a place central to our family
history. delicious. >> i like that one. >> our prepare were sustained by this. >> like that one. >> reporter: but it's here inside the danish national archives where i learned the most. this is the former royal hall of curiosities in the danish archives and they have all of the information there. this woman walked us through. charlotte jenson works in archival development. >> the archives can help us also find the past that we didn't know existed. let's take a look at this >> let's take a look. >> this is actually her baptism. >> anna, spelled a-n-e in danish, was baptized in 1866, in a beautiful church about an hour outside of copenhagen. denmark's rich countryside where she would spend the first 20 years of her life. >> the church building 1100, the
early part of it. >> beautiful. >> that's where she was baptized. this is from 1650. >> reporter: 1650? >> yes. when the baptism is finished, then i say the prayer. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> amen. >> reporter: tell me when you would pray together, when you would sleep with her, get together? >> we'd get on the bed and say our prayers and bestemor said one night, i was about 10 at this time, she said, "lord, i'm ready to come home. call me any time." i am sitting beside her with my hands folded, and i'm saying, "not tonight, not tonight." >> reporter: she was ready to go
to the lord and you were not ready for her to. this is the kind of house she would have lived in? >> yes, it is. >> reporter: they would have rented a little room there. this is a hotel laborer's home? >> yes. >> reporter: all right, let's go inside. >> yes. >> reporter: so this would be typical. this would be the kitchen over here, and everyone would eat and sleep and dress all in one room. >> yes. yes. something like a table, an oven, a bed, a cupboard, stuff like that, very basic things, but they didn't have much. >> reporter: she would have had a bible and a candlestick probably for sure. it's like going back in time. >> yes, but if you want to do time travel and go back to the 1800s, i think we need some accessories. >> reporter: all right, let's do it. >> yes, put that on first. we don't want it to get cold out. now you are ready to go back in
1880. then we have a wonderful dish of cold porridge. here you go. and i bet you might have had a little warm milk on it, if you had milk or -- >> wow, there's not any variety. >> or hot beer. >> reporter: i could use a hot beer. >> honestly. >> they had fresh vegetables but not in the summer. >> no, they didn't. >> this was her school, this was her teacher. this is where anna would have gone to school. >> yes, that was the school of anna, and this almost like it was at that time. the school was made so they could work also. sometimes they had to work half a day and go to school, but she
would be taking care of the geese. >> when she was 5 she lived with the neighbor people to take care of the geese, to keep the geese out of the garden. can you imagine that? and she told me the geese would get her down and slap her with their wings and she'd cry for her mother, but it was a tough life then, you know? >> reporter: we learned a lot about anna's brothers and sisters. we know from the census list from 1860 to 1890 she had ten brothers and sisters. three of them died when they were very young. >> oh. it's a little tragic. >> they died almost on the same day, they died one day after another and were buried the same day. they died from the croup. >> reporter: oh, they both got sick and both babies died? >> both died. >> reporter: anna would have been 10 years old. >> bestemor never told me that.
>> reporter: by the time anna was 12 danish records show her father made a living by breaking stone. >> breaking stone is not making a career. >> reporter: right, hard labor. >> very hard liabor and not wel paid and also not very well looked upon. it was the kind of job that you would get if you couldn't really get anything else. we can also see that peder pe pedersen got welfare. >> reporter: this explains why in 1886 his daughter, anna jacobine left the country. she had to go make a living for herself. here is her immigration paper. anna arrived at the port of new york on october 14th, 1886, when
she was just 20 years old, two weeks before the dedication of the statue of liberty. she was a single female, she had one bag with her. >> can you imagine coming with one bag to a new world? i can't. >> reporter: my great, great grandmother eventually settled in western iowa and married hans olson, this guy with the handlebar mustache. it's so nice to meet you. >> nice to meet you, too. >> reporter: back in new york, michelle irkenbrach, an ancestry.com historian found for me the most moving document of all. >> you talk about how there's still today after all these years this identity of her buying a ticket. >> reporter: they call it bestemor's traveling ticket. she saved her money and would buy a ticket every few years and send it back to somebody in denmark. >> but they had to wait at council bluffs and stay at her
house and learn english and learn a trade, and then they returned the money for the ticket and another ticket went to denmark. >> it asks who paid your passage. >> reporter: she recovered a 1930 passenger list for anna's nephew, carl pepesen's ticket to america paid for in full by his aunt, anna, proof of her generosity for years to come. wow, that's so -- i always heard about the ticket for all those years but then to see it. do you think bestemor, do you think anna would be proud of the family that has grown up behind her? >> she would be very proud. i often wish she could see my kids. >> reporter: anna lived to be 92 years old. as a reporter, as a journalist,
i interview right about ne, wri newsmakers all the time but in my family the newsmaker is just an ordinary girl who had the courage to leave everything she knew and start all over again in america. >> each of those stories are so unique, but there are so many young women and men who came in that same time who left everything and when i looked at all those documents of all of the people that anna brought, 14-year-old, 15-year-old, a 17-year-old who then lived with him, the traveling ticket which is legendary in my family which we proved, and i have to say the danish national archives all of that is available online. so i can sit back and i'm starting to explore ten generations earlier than anna in denmark. it's all there online. it's amazing. it's amazing. >> first of all i love your
grandma. >> she's the best. >> she's fantastic. you come from good stuff. longevity. >> she is the original storyteller. she has kept that story of bestemor, the new england girl cowering from the geese wings at 5 years old, having to leave her mother so she could work at another family to be fed, those are the stories she always told us and my cousins and i grew up knowing you have to give back, love your family but taking a risk to make your family better. >> how has this changed you? i sense this was impactful for you, christine. girl power, learning about your family. how has it changed you? >> a lot because i have three little boys who i want to raise them to be as strong willed and as much risk takers as anna was, and i look back that i can hop back 150 years with my grandmother to her grandmother, i want to make sure we're still telling stories so my kids are telling their grandkids about what it's like in this country. >> tremendous legacy. >> they probably will never encounter anything in their
lives that's as risky as what she did herself. >> you're right. we hope not actually. they made some big sacrifices so we can live the way we live today. >> especially as a woman to do that, you don't often hear that story very much. >> thanks for the story. it was great. >> go online to cnn.com/roots and you get to see more of what went into the stories. tomorrow on "new day" we'll have john berman's story. >> oh, my, can't wait for that. >> this should be good. >> traces his roots back early into the circus culture of his family. >> now you're making it up. >> where he was often substituted for a chimpanzee. >> not true. >> and we're going to have our two-hour roots special on tuesday, october 21st at 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific hosted by anderson cooper and our very own michaela. come up next "the good stuff." >> wow, christine, that was fun. >> beautiful. >> unbelievable.
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>> talk about being a great brother. even more important than a lottery ticket. >> call your brother after the show. >> we'll see. lot of news. ana cabrera is in for carol costello. let's get to you "the newsroom." >> we need more of that good stuff. thanks for bringing it to us. see you guys, have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com happening now in "the newsroom." >> the second health care worker was moved from dallas to emory university in atlanta. >> the second nurse sick with ebola starts treatment this morning, days after taking a commercial airline flight from ohio to texas. >> there's no way she should have been on that flight. >> she should not have traveled on a commercial airline. >> reporter: why didn't the cdc stop her and was she contagious? the hunt is on for the other passengers on that plane. plus texas nurses threatening to walk off the