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was a lack of planning, a lack of preparation, and a lack of education. >> as the cdc director head to the hill for a grilling, should the agency have been better prepared? and cnn presses the white house. >> you seem to be reluctant to say who is in charge of the federal response to ebola. >> reporter: as the president cancels events to monitor ebola's spread. >> we are monitoring, supervising, overseeing in a much more aggressive way. >> reporter: let's talk, live in the "cnn newsroom." good thursday morning to you. i'm ana cabrera in for carol. thanks again for being here. we have a lot of moving pa, to this ebola story this morning. it's a race to stop the deadly virus from spreading further and we are monitoring the world health organization's press conference happening now on ebola. you're looking at live pictures out of geneva where officials
are discussing how countries all around the world should be preparing for the virus and just how much help is still needed in west africa. also, one day after that nurse's union slammed the dallas hospital for being unprepared and lacking proper protocol, the groups call for action is growing louder. next hour national nurses united will hold another press conference to discuss the equipment and the training they think they need and health care workers need to put their lives on the line. all of this as the embattled cdc chief goes head to head with lawmakers on capitol hill. this is going to happen later today. thomas frieden will face direct questions about how an infected nurse could w.h.o. treated ebola patient thomas duncan was allowed to fly after she reported a fever. this morning, we are covering the story from all angles, like only cnn can, with our full team of experts. we begin in atlanta where that second nurse, amber vinson, is now being treated for ebola. transferred to emory university
hospital yesterday to one of the nation's four biocontainment units after concerns there may not be enough medical staff in dallas especially if nurses walk out. the same hospital is treated infecting nurse nina pham. both women had contact with an ebola patient who died last week. we bring in dr. sanjay gupta. first, how is vinson doing this morning? any word on her condition? >> reporter: she got her late last night, in this building here just behind me. the same place dr. kent brantly and nancy writebol were cared for and we heard this morning as well the same team that cared for them, five physicians, 21 nurses make up that team and sort of rotate around to provide care all the time to them. but it's those 26 people that make up that core team. we're expecting an update. we saw her walk off the airplane as you may have seen ana, on to the ambulance, a good sign, but even as of this morning they say they're still settling in, getting more data and maybe have
an update later on this morning. >> i want to go back to the video, sanjay, showing vinson being transferred and you can see in this video that most people here around her are wearing hazmat suits but when you look carefully again that guy on the end is not wearing any protective gear. why would he be allowed so close this this patient that we now know has ebola and was infected from another ebola patient at this hospital, why wouldn't he be wearing specialized protective gear? >> well, you know, that obviously looks confusing and frankly, you know, it's a metaphor for i think a lot of what happened. people look at an image and it's confusing to them, they don't know what to make of it. strictly speaking if someone is more than three feet away from someone who is infected with ebola, they should be fine because this is not an airborne disease. why are people closer than that wearing hazmat suits or this person is not it's confusing but strictly speaking i can't tell
exactly how far away is he but he shouldn't be within that particular zone. >> one complaint all along has been not enough consistency across the board when it comes to that protective gear for health workers. what is the cdc saying about that? >> i think we're going to hear some changes in the guidelines specifically. ana, you and i talked about this yesterday. i did a demonstration of exactly what the protocol was for health care workers when they're taking care of a patient with ebola, and when showing that, you know, it was easy to see there are areas for example of the skin that were not protected, my neck for example not protected under those strict protocols that i was following and that's a problem. i think that you're going to see some changes in those guidelines and maybe make it more uniform. they have to balance this to be fair, ana. they don't want to make it too complicated. the more steps you add, the more chances for error. on the other hand, protecting the skin from bodily fluids potentially getting on it is a very basic core concept.
>> protecting the spread, we're talking this morning about a woman who had contact with thomas duncan, she was supposed to be self-monitoring, she ended up on the airplane. let's talk about what self-monitoring even means. are people who are under self-monitor conditions allowed to leave their house? are they going to work typically? >> let me try and be precise about this. someone who is self-monitoring and they're not sick, they're asked to take their temperature for 21 days. 21 days because if you don't have an infection, then you're not going to have it, if you don't have it within the first 21 days. that's where that number comes from. they can still move around because they're not a threat to the general public. however, there is something known as a controlled movement recommendation. dr. frieden talked about this yesterday, but it basically says people who have come in contact with someone with ebola they can get in cars, they can fly on a charter plane but they should not be flying on a commercial flight.
so not only should she have not taken the flight back from cleveland to dallas, sounds like under the cdc recommendations she should not have taken the first flight as well. we don't know that she was ever told any of this, ana, so she may not have done anything at all wrong but that's the guidance that the cdc provides. >> and yet, sanjay, you were reporting that she's apparently called cdc or other health care officials before boarding that flight in texas or to come back to texas from cleveland to say i have a low grade fever and they did not tell her not to fly. >> yep. another metaphor for that confusion, ana. so on one hand there's this controlled movement recommendation. she should not have gotten on a plane in the first place. on the other hand, she calls because she sees she's developed a little bit of a temperature, up to 99.5, makes the call, smart thing to do, and tells them that she's in cleveland and flying to dallas and they don't do anything to stop her. she's probably not a big risk, not at risk to the passengers on
that plane certainly because she wasn't really sick beyond that temperature low grade temperature, but still, it violated their own recommendation. so there is another part of the problem there. >> all right, dr. sanjay gupta, thanks for being there. we know you're working every hour. as we mentioned just briefly there are concerns now that nurses in dallas might walk off the job after allegations the hospital isn't doing enough to keep workers safe there. listen to what one nurse who works in dallas said after being asked whether she would feel comfortable being treated there, if she contracted ebola. >> you know, i've played that situation out in my head, and knowing what i know, i would try anything and everything to refuse to go there. >> she would try anything and everything to refuse to be treated at her hospital. let's bring in senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen, live in dallas this morning.
elizabeth, the hospital i know just issued a new statement this morning addressing some of the specific allegations from that long conference call that we played for our viewers yesterday. what is the hospital now saying? >> reporter: the hospital is saying, ana, these allegations do not match the medical record and they said that they have met and exceeded at times all cdc guidelines. >> and specifically, what do they point out? initially -- >> reporter: right, so they pointed out that they were wearing the equipment, people were wearing the equipment, that the cdc recommends, that they were following all of the proper procedures. they deny that they say tape was not wrapped around the nurse's necks. they say the tubing system that the specimens are sent through, when that tubing system was used, that things were sealed up and that later that tubing system wasn't used, but they say that they were doing all the right things. >> i want to listen to another
portion of that interview, because she says nurses had suspicions duncan may have been infected and yet no one did anything to isolate him. let's listen. >> he was put into an area where there were seven other patients. took around three hours to make our first contact with the cdc to let them know that what we had as our suspicion. you know, there was no special precautions other than what we know in the medical industry to be, you know, basic contact precautions. we were unprepared in the sense that we did not know what to do with his lab specimens. they were handle d, the lab technician and it was a chaotic scene. >> so why wouldn't they isolate duncan immediately to limit the exposure? >> reporter: you know, i think it depends on whether or not
they recognize that he had ebola. he came in, in the beginning, it sounds like they were trying to figure this out. you know, i've talked about these issues with safety experts and i got to tell you, none of this surprises them. safety is a huge problem in american hospitals. you put ebola for a side, even without ebola, safety is a problem. infection control measures are not always put in. 1 in 25 patients in this country gets an infection in the hospital. in other words, they come in without infection and hospital gives them abinfection, 1 in 25 patients, that tells you patient safety is not up to where it should be. i asked a hospital safety expert what happened here at presbyterian, do you think that would happen at other places? he said oh yes, i think this would happen at most other american hospitals. only a relatively small percentage really know how to do it right. >> we heard that same statement or at least phrasing from dr.
van tulleken on our air yesterday as well. we know the cdc is trying to be more proactive, considering lowering the temperature threshold for what one would consider a sign of ebola. we know that this nurse who is the second nurse to be infected had a 99.5 degree fever but there was a 100.4 degree threshold at the time that says technically you have an ebola symptom. so how might this impact people who are self-monitoring now? >> reporter: right, so folks who are self-monitoring, which by the way includes me because i was in liberia within the past 21 days, if one of us was to get a temperature of even 100 degrees, technically a health authority would say eh, don't worry about it. you got to get up to 100.5 for us to worry about ebola. i think they're realizing having this cut and dry number, this cutoff may not make the most sense. if someone has been in west africa recently and they are inching up, they were let's say 97 and now they're 98 and now
they're 99, they might be headed somewhere, so don't be so sort of small-headed about it, don't just look at what's written in a book. use your head and think through it. if someone's 99.5 and taking care of an ebola patient and we know they weren't using proper protection, they'll let them get on a plane. >> all right, elizabeth cohen, thanks so much. breaking news now out of spain, we are now learning a possible ebola patient, another one has been admitted to a hospital there. al goodman is in madrid. what do you know at this point? >> reporter: well, the hospital's confirming that a new patient has come in, this is one of the 68 people who was considered low risk because this person, we're not sure who it is, had had contact with the nurse's aide, teresa roammero. temperature taken a couple times a day, out of the hospital being monitored. this person showed up with a fever this morning and come into
the hospital. the on confirms that someone on the ebola watch has come in this day and a few minutes ago we saw the ambulance coming out, an ambulance coming out with the drivers in the hazmat suits. there's another case at this hour and we're not sure what's happening with this other person. there was a man on a flight from paris to madrid, an air france flight who has been taken off because of fever. we're not sure if that person is also coming to this hospital. ana? >> real fast before i let you go, al, do you know there in spain, curious to see how it compares to the response here in the u.s. are the people who are there monitoring self-monitoring or being quarantined? >> reporter: there are 15 people in hospital, the numbers may be changing but basically this morning we started with teresa romer, the only confirmed case on the sixth floor, completely isolated. 15 other people including her
husband but mainly medical people working close to her, she's on a medical team who voluntarily came to hospital so they wouldn't possibly potentially infect their families. they came here. 66 or 68 other people out of hospital who chose to stay out, all being monitored, temperature taken, visited by medical personnel. spain after what described as a chaotic start to the crisis last week really trying to get on top of it with help from experts in europe and close contact with the united states. >> al goodman in madrid, thank you. it has been a tough week on wall street as well this week. investors may be feeling afraid, probably very afraid now after the big slide yesterday but what are those fears really all about? are they related to ebola? are there other factors at play? cnn's christine romans is joining me just ahead of the open on wall street and how are futures looking? >> doesn't look like it will be a good morning. big losses in european stock markets, big losses in asian markets, all of the fear following through to global stock markets. lot of this is predictable.
you had a dow jones industrial average and s&p 500 stocks that have been going up straight basically for two years. correction is healthy and natural, when it falls 10%. we're not there yet but another couple big days and you'll have a 10% loss over the past month or so. it's interesting, ana, ebola is one of those uncertainties and markets don't like uncertainty but there's also slowing global growth, something that's a problem here. in the u.s. economy we just got another good sign of the labor market. we had jobless claims in the country at a 14-year low showing strength in the jobs market but you're not seeing that play out on wall street. you have wall street futures down sharply here, dow futures down sharply. this is going to continue to be a rough go of it here. we'll watch the airline stocks, we'll watch the travel stocks where you can see the ebola effect but overall, this is just a market that has a lot of uncertainties. the fed as well by the way, the fed is stopping its stimulus this month.
so that's something else the markets have to grapple with. >> we'll check back in with you. thanks so. and stay with us here, we know there is more to talk about on ebola, u.s. troops on the front lines of the he ebola fight. mission that is critical to stop the virus' spread. >> ebola is to use a sports metaphor, this needs to be an away game and that's why the united states military is involved. >> but should other countries send troops as well? a former nato allied supreme commander joins us next with his perspective. they take us to worlds full of heroes and titans.
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so you look at those numbers and now we know today the white house is expected to announce that reservists could be deployed to west africa to deal with the ebola crisis. this means the pentagon would have the authority to call up those reservists. there's no immediate order for active duty. they could be tapped to fill slots for medical personnel, engineers, technical reservists. the reservists would join the 4,000 troopd already authorized to head to the region. the highest ranking military officer joint chiefs chairman general martin dempsey is speaking exclusively to cnn about his ebola concerns and why our servicemen and women are joining this fight. >> i've been worried about ebola globally for about 90 days and i have had some on my staff that were probably a little more worried than i was even a few
weeks or months before that. >> why? >> i'm worried about it because it, because we know so little about it. ebola is a, to use a sports we ta for, this needs to be an away game. that's why the united states military is involved. we want to help international health organizations, service organizations, non-governmental organizations we want to help them keep this in isolation inside of those three countries. >> joining me to discuss retired army general and former nato supreme allied commander general george dollin. do you agree it is a worldwide security threat and fair to send our troops into harm's way especially given the unknowns with this outbreak? >> my quick answer is yes. we've done this before. we're equipped to do it. when i was commander of nato we did it in 1994 and '95 in rowwaa
where hundreds of thousands were killed within the country and after that, cholera broke out because of bad water and we sent troops into rowwanda and within0 days stopped the dying. so we've done this before, and american troops are up to the task. >> president obama now has called for a greater international community response. we've even heard from the world health organization saying the world's response isn't enough so far. they've only received about a third of the funding they believe they need to fight this illness in west africa. should there be a coordinated international military response and who should lead that? >> again, yes. who should lead it is a good question again, in my view, the united states must lead in cases like this, because they have the resources initially to
demonstrate that it can be done. again, using the rwanda case we had french, british, even asian and other middle east countries joined us in that effort to stop the dying. so i think that the united states must make the case that it is prepared to lead and that others should join us and i think they will. >> we know there are already 500 u.s. troops on the ground there, working to build facilities to treat some of these ebola patients. we learned that their work is going to take a little longer than first expected, it may drag into december. we heard from the army major general darrel williams who is leading this troop effort in west africa right now. apparently said on a conference call with reporters that only a small number of the highly trained service members who work with infectious diseases are actually wearing protective equipment, given all the background of what we're talking about with these nurses infected in the u.s., why wouldn't our servicemembers all be wearing
protective equipment being in that environment? >> absolutely. again, that is what the commander on the ground needs to provide. that sort of clarity in terms of what needs to be done. if it isn't being done then i think someone needs to be held accountable but what are the rules of engagement? what is it that we're seeking to do, and i would hope that marty dempsey and others would visit the team in africa to demonstrate that the standard should be met and that care and attention to detail should be maintained. >> retired general george joulwan thank you so much for being with me today. we hope you'll come back because there are other international things happening, isis, we'd love to get your take on that another day. >> thank you. stuff happens. >> absolutely. we'll be right back. ♪ who's going to do it? who's going to make it happen? discover a new energy source. turn ocean waves into power.
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hello again. i'm ana cabrera in for carol this morning. glad to have you with me. it could be a gruelling day for investors and those of you who have money in the stock market. stock futures are slipping all morning following yesterday's roller coaster ride. we are seconds from the opening bell and here with me cnn's christine romans and alison kosik. first alison set the scene for us there right now. >> all right, we nervously await
the next 20 seconds as you hear the clapping waiting for the opening bell to ring. what you see happen over the past week and a half or so are stocks rebooting. [ bell ringing ] readjusting values making more sense given the global economy. germany trying to fight off a third recession in six years. you've got deflationary concerns here in the u.s. so not just in europe and you've got data describing the health of the u.s., lately it's been mediocre. we got a good jobless claims report today so it's been mixed and with that opening bell we see more red on the screen, so whiplash wednesday is turning into a tumultuous thursday. ana? >> way to think on the fly there, alison. >> christine, let's bring you into the conversation well. we talked about that roller coaster, not just yesterday but really for a week now. how long do you think this is going to last? >> well, this is the nature of markets, ana, quite frankly. they don't all just go up and don't all just go down.
there are a lot of different cross currents right now. you have oil prices plunging. you have money coming out of the stock market into the bond market, pushing the yields below 2%. bond yields falling, stocks falling, oil falling, a dollar strong. there's really a lot going on here. when you look just at the stock market, you know it's been a thousand days without a 10% pullback in the s&p 500. pullback is normal. pullback, a correction is natural in markets. so now you're seeing investors start to sell, they're looking at uncertainties around the world, looking at those cross currents and other markets i've been telling you about, looking at what alison said slower expectations for global growth. we have this positive sign this morning in the labor market this jobless claims number the lowest in 14 years, this should show you the labor market here is getting a little bit better. remember the fed is getting out of the stimulus game this month. this will be when the fed ends
its stimulus so there are a lot of uncertainties for investors to grapple with, a lot of reasons why stocks should not be at record highs and you've seen them falling from record highs. >> alison, we're watching the big board right now and the dow is really low, 152 points below where it opened, so we also saw similar situation yesterday, it dipped what 400 points and then rallied, right? >> so hey this is an improvement. what's really sad is that this seems like an improvement from yesterday so we're seeing those losses kind of hold steady around 150, 160 lower on the dow. you know what we're really watching is what christine was talking about, watching for that correction and everybody's asking please, make it stop. when is this going to stop in you know when it will stop it could stop if you see third quarter earnings season really as it revs up, we are in the middle of that, if you see those third quarter earnings come in really top notch. also a correction may be the answer to this tumultuous time in the market. we talk about correction, it's
not a dirty word and as christine has said, the market may be due for it. >> and alison and christine you both seem to agree on that point. thanks to both of you for providing that expertise and insight for us this morning. the cdc is under fire today for allowing an ebola infected nurse to fly one day before she was officially diagnosed. frontier airlines has grounded six crew members, two pilots, four flight attendants for 21 days, they're off the job that's the airline of course that nurse amber vinson threw when she got on a flight out of dallas for cleveland october 10th and three days later took another flight pack to dallas. but before boarding that second flight, we now know she had a 99.5 degree fever. the plane she flew made five additional flights on tuesday before it was taken out of service. 132 passengers were aboard vinson's flight from cleave lapped to dallas. right now the cdc director says it is working to contact all of
those passengers. >> we are going and will always put in extra margins are safety and therefore will be reaching out to all of the passengers and crew of that flight. >> so a lot of people are asking today, how could vinson have gotten the okay from the cdc to get on a plane when she was still within that 21-day window for potential ebola exposure and she had a fever. joining me now public health specialist and cnn aviation analyst and former inspector general for the department of transportation mary schiavo. how could this nurse be flying at all, let alone with a fever? i want to you ponder that while we take a quick look at the cdc's own guidelines. it says people who have had potential exposure to ebola should not travel by commercial conveyances, i.e., airplanes. doctor, what happened here? how did this happen? >> good morning, ana.
we have an expression in medicine, you treat the patient, not the numbers. so going by a cutoff of a specific fever, temperature, to me it is kind of ridiculous in this situation. really you should look at is there a risk factor, and are there symptoms that could be consistent with ebola. in this case, yes and yes. she should not have been allowed to board that plane. >> did the cdc drop the ball then? >> i think the cdc, there are a couple things they should have done. one, she should have been in quarantine and quarantine is not a snow day, not a vacation, not a time to go fly and plan your wedding. you're in quarantine so that you're not transmitting to other people. the cdc should have enforced that with the assistance of law enforcement, and secondly, she should have been put on a do not fly list that she wouldn't have boarded a commercial airline in the first place >> let's talk about that angle, the cdc does have a no board list that includes people with known infectious diseases and now it is looking at expanding the list to include people being monitored for ebola and it's considering putting 76 health care workers at texas health
presbyterian hospital on that no fly list. mary, should this have been done sooner? >> absolutely. let's be clear, everybody's talking about a new ebola czar, the hhs, the secretary of hhs is already empowered under the public health service act i think it's 42 usc 264 to prevent the entry, that's really important, prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases and the secretary of hhs delegates to the cdc, who has the full power to prevent people from traveling to issue quarantines and to use just as exactly as ana said to use the law enforcement powers of both the federal and state government to see that it happens. the cdc dropped the ball, they already had the power to do it, they just didn't do it. >> there seems to be a communication breakdown at the very least of some sort based on what we are witnessing, dr. gounder, do you think there's not been proper leadership on this issue? >> i think with respect to communication the cdc has really
dropped the ball. some of have questioned do we need an ebola czar to lead the response? it's less about leading the response and more about having somebody who can communicate with the public, educate the public and have them understand what's going on. i think there's some questions about transparency, about the cdc changing its message day to day, and i think that's where having a surgeon general for example would be helpful because that's what that job is to educate the american public. >> did the cdc's guidelines get outdated? they keep on changing the game as we go. >> right, there are two things. one that guidelines and protocols at texas health presbyterian involve day-to-day. they were not cdc guidelines that were in place at that hospital to begin with. evolving day-to-day as duncan got sicker. the cdc guidelines which are different from what was being done at texas health pre presbyterian have been updated with the advice of experts at the world health authorization and doctors without borders,
people who have much more experience with ebola. we don't really have much experience with ebola in this country. so we've turned to those experts to update our guidelines now. >> mary i want to talk about the frontier airlines flight. frontier issued a memo to its employees among another things, putting the two pilots and four flight attendants on that flight on paid leave for 21 days and koreani i cleaning the affect four times, changing filters, removing seat covers and carpets. it's gone above the cdc's recommendations. is the airline industry prepared to deal with ebola? >> no, they're not. and that's what's important to note. airlines rely on two things, and it's speed and no boundaries. that's why we love airplanes. we can go very fast to a whole lot of places and the federal aviation administration has deferred by law their regulations concern safety and security, and they have deferred to the cdc.
and the cdc put out very vague guidelines about a month ago and they told the airlines well, if there's wet material on the seats or the rug, get up as much as you can. that's actually in the cdc guide lines and we learned that it could live for hours even if dried, bodily fluids and it can live for days if it remains moist like in the seats and the carpets and the airlines weren't prepared for this. they don't have those kinds of cleaning crews on staff. lot of airlines turn their planes in just 30 minutes and there's no federal regulation, not a one in the faa that requires you even to wipe the tray table. >> wow. scary now we were talking about ebola. mary schiavo, dr. celine gounder, thank you. >> still to come the obama administration under fire for its handling of the ebola crisis. many are asking who is in charge which we've been asking a lot here this morning. now the president is vowing a stepped up response. we'll talk about that when we come back. when it comes to good nutrition...i'm no expert.
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as president obama pledges a more aggressive response to ebola here in the u.s. his critics say the administration's handling has fallen short and asking who is in charge, it is a question senior white house correspondent jim acosta asked as he was at that press briefing with white house press secretary josh earnest, and here's this
exchange. listen. >> reporter: getting back to lisa monaco overseeing the federal response on ebola. >> well, again, i hate to be nit-picky here but what she's doing is coordinating the activities of all the government agencies who are themselves responsible for responding to specific areas of their own expertise. so she's not overseeing that. she's not responsible for coordinating -- >> reporter: she's in charge of the overall response. >> not responsible for coordinating the activities of the international activity. >> reporter: you're interrupting because you feel you have a point to make but you understand my question. >> the point i have to make is relevant. >> reporter: you seem to be reluctant who is in charge of the federal response. >> imi'm reciting who is responsible for which activities when it comes to this government's tenacious response to ebola. >> so did you have an answer out of that? one man who has been at the center of the nation's response is cdc director tom frieden, and today we know frieden is going to go to capitol hill, face
tough questions from members of the house energy and commerce committee and my next guest is chairing that hearing. is he republican congressman, tim murphy of pennsylvania. congressman, thanks so much. we know there have been calls for change at the helm of this crisis. what do you think? do you think cdc director tom frieden should resign? >> i think dr. tom frieden needs to continue to focus on doing this, some missteps were made, the administration in terms of handling this, whether the assumption the screenings in the hot zone in africa will work, no restrictions on travel. ultimately the president is in charge of this, he is the one responsible and he has to get the best advice from everybody. congress needs to be a solid partner in this. we will authorize and provide what are is needed and some of the questions we'll ask of cdc and other agencies is what do you need in terms of supplies to help here, in africa, and also dealing with advancing in a rapid form dealing with the vaccines for this.
>> you've come back from recess to hold this hearing to be able to ask those questions. is congress, if you get the answers that can move this process forward, is congress ready to come back and take a vote or would that even need to happen? >> i think there's a lot of funding that the health and human services has, the secretary at its disposal to advance funding with these, if there's other organizations needed we will do whatever is necessary. we recognize this is a dangerous disease. it is deadly. but just doing the policies in place now have not been adequate and if changes are necessary and congress has to act, we'll do whatever is needed. >> the president has vowed "a much more aggressive response." i want you to listen to what one nurse wants him to do. >> we issued a letter today to president obama to use his executive authority to mandate that hospitals follow standardized protocols and
procedures throughout hospitals in the united states, so that we can be safe and provide care to patients. >> so representative murphy, would you like to see the president in this case use his executive powers? >> i'd like to see the president use his executive powers to begin to restrict travel. that's the key thing. isolation and containment of this deadly disease is incredibly important. dealing with hospitals, somewhere down the road in the meantime you have issues over the folks from customs are going to trust that people say whether or not they've been in a hot zone, you'll trust that their temperatures are taken accurately. you're going to trust they're not part of that 13% who may not have a fever but may be carrying and have symptoms. there's a lot of gaps there that the best way to do it is deal with the things from africa, help the people in africa as much as we can, provide resources there, but i'll tell you, if you asked me a week ago if hospitals were ready, they assumed they were ready. now they realize they are not. hospitals across america are
much more aggressive in mandatory training of their employees starting from the emergency room moving on of what to do if people present with symptoms. >> you are among the growing chorus to call for flight restrictions to cut off flights perhaps between here and west africa, especially those three countries that are most hard-hit with the epidemic but we heard from health care officials from the world health organization saying cutting off travel making these restrictions is only going to make it harder to fight the outbreak. how do you respond? >> i don't agree nor is my oath of office to deal with the world health organization. mine is to protect and defend the people of the united states of america, and that being said, we can bring charter flights, we can bring whatever supplies, equipment, personnel, non-government officials, charitable organizations, all those can move rapidly and continuously into areas where they are needed. the idea that is presented that somehow this is an issue with not wanting to cause economic
distress to a fledgling democracy is not a primary concern. our concern is this disease and this disease wants to be that unwelcome stow-away on passengers coming into the united states and we have to stop that from happening. >> congressman tim murphy, thank you for your time. good luck at the hearing. >> thank you. still to come, u.s. travelers departing the ebola zone are presenting problems for their bosses when they get home. we'll talk about how employers need to react, what employees should be asking for, when we come back.
precautionary or an excess of caution? three relatives visited by ebola infected nurse amber vinson when she did not have symptoms, they have been told now to stay away from their jobs at ohio's kent state university. important to note, no one from that university has actually been quarantined. the school's action reflects a similar concern for a number of employers right now. how do you deal with workers returning from the ebola zone, who perhaps have had contact with someone who has ebola. cnn legal analyst paul cowan is joining us to discuss this. first let's talk about employees' rights. if you go to africa, if you have contact with somebody even here in the u.s. like these nurses did, do those people have a right legally to be entitled to stay home and continue to get
paid? >> not necessarily. the standard that employers legally are allowed to use is what does the science say? of course while there's so much fear in america, whenever we interview a doctor, they say there's not that much to be afraid of. it's not that contagious. the standard is are they symptomatic? are they fever risch, are they sick? in that case they would have to stay home. otherwise they would go to work like anybody else. >> an employer can't say, hey, we better be careful and you need to stay home? they can't order their employee to stay home. >> i think they can if they were paying the employee. i can picture an instance where a supermarket was afraid they would go out of business if people thought someone who was exposed was handling food. as long as they're going to pay the employee during the 21-day period, the employer can do it. they can't send you home and say we're not going to pay you unless there's a scientific support or reason to do that. >> have we seen similar
situations, and have employers had to deal with this before? >> it works both ways. what about nurses who say i'm not going to go into that emergency room, not going to take care of that patient. your hazmat suits are ineffective. look what happened in dallas. there are meetings going on all over the country, in fact, one coming up today in new york today. i was talking one of the top hospital labor lawyers, everybody is trying to get the protocol in order to see what nurse ks do, what patients can do, and how we deal with this. >> i want to read you something, part of the chaos has been there have not been direct messaging, the communication breakdown. you have an opinion piece on cnn.com. where is the reassuring guide with a beard and a fancy uniform who warrant us for so long about the dangers of smoking? we don't notice government officials are missing until a crisis emerges. now that there's a national
health crisis, the seat of the doctor in charge remains empty. >> i'm talking about the surgeon general of the united states. where is he? we don't have a surgeon general. we have an acting surgeon general. the appointment of a new surgeon general has not occur. regina benjamin resigned in 2013. we're in the middle of what the american people think is a major health crisis. congress fighting with the president. it's pretty disgraceful at a time like this that we don't have a surgeon general. >> it goes back to part san ship getting in the way of doing their jobs. >> yes. both sides have their reasons for not having approved the nominee. they better get together and get it done because the american people want to see the doctor in chief telling them how to handle themselves. >> paul callan, thanks for joining us. good to see you. the next hour of "newsroom" "newsroom" begins after a quick break. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
happening now in the "newsroom." >> the second health care worker, amber vinson was moved from dallas to emory university in atlanta. >> the second nurse sick with ebola starts treatment this morning days after taking a commercial airline flight from ohio to texas. >> there's no way she should have been ton flight. >> she should not have traveled on a commercial airline. >> why