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eastern. we'll have more in "the situation room" as well. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." for our international viewers, christiane amanpour is next. for viewers in the united states and throughout north america, "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. >> thank you so much. great to be with you on this monday. let's begin with a case of a serial killer. this is what we're learning today. to indiana here where this 19-year-old woman had been found strangled to death at this hotel in hammond and a suspect under arrest but the discovery just started there. while in custody, this 43-year-old man told them where they could find the bodies of three other women. and then the next day police found the bodies of three more women. so total here we're talking
seven bodies. seven female bodies found over the course of three days. you see the map in different locations in which they were found. one in hammond and six in nearby gary, indiana. at least three of these locations are abandoned houses. let's be clear. this man has yet to be charged but it begs the question are police dealing with a serial killer? let's me bring in our correspondent working this for us. miguel marquez and my former anchor ashleigh banfield to walk through what we know and what we don't know. beginning with you, sir. it began with this woman found in a motel friday night and they find him and he startsi talking. >> this woman, after frrika har apparently there was a facilitator who hooked up the
meeting. that facilitator started to get texts from hardy concerning. when she stopped hearing from her, she sent a male friend to the hotel and they found ms. hardy there. because of the telephone she had been using, they got a telephone number and were able to track him to gary and everything began to unravel. frightening story in that hotel room. >> these women, seven thus far, but to hear police say it today, this could go back to 1994, 1995. there could be others. >> and they are already saying not only that but there could be other victims surfacing. we might think even now. it is all hands on deck in these two communities. i asked them if they were out looking for other abandoned structures and trying to comb these two communities. not necessarily the case. in terms of hammond, no. all of their officers are working currently on this particular case. in terms of gary, the mayor of
gary said we're looking to expedite the demolition of a lot of these structures. here's what's amazing. he's not lawyered up. he's been talk iing and showing law enforcements where these bodies are. >> yes in some cases showing them where the location is. >> perhaps still giving them information on other locations? >> why cooperating because he's hoping for a deal? >> that's what police chief in hammond said in his live news conference that that's what he articulated. a deal he was looking for. >> what about specifics? sometimes when you study serial killers there are themes. there are ways in which bodies are found. these are all thus far women. strangulation. woman found in the hotel. >> i don't think it matters. i'll be honest with you. when you have someone who confesses, some people confess to crimes they don't do, they can't take you to the body. at this point i don't think we even need the link of method or signatures or those kind of things.
>> because he's so cooperative. >> he's taking you to the body and only one who knows where it is. >> he was clearly targeting people on the margins of society. these women are 19 to 36 year old. >> a first-degree murder is first-degree murder no matter what. it won't matter that confessions can be false. he took them to the bodies. at this point i don't think we even need the matter of death. >> the fact that so many people can die without raising a red flag. one of them so far that we know, only one, was listed as a missing person since october 8th. that's shocking and sad if that's the only person. >> what's next as far as investigation goes. hammond is working on these cases they have under their nose right now but they have to tries trace back years. >> they may get him in court today. he's talking to investigators. >> as long as he's talking under a doesn't ask for his lawyer and they gave him his miranda opportunity, keep him talking.
keep him giving you any bit of information to track down any other of these cases they may be able to unearth. the minute he says i need a lawyer, that's when the ball gets rolling. >> thank you both very, very much. huge developments in that case. let's move along and talk about ebola. there is reason to breathe a little bit of a sigh of relief in dallas today where dozens of people have been under observation, quarantine, for this deadly virus. at least 43 people linked to ebola victim thomas eric duncan have been cleared of the virus. let me repeat. cleared. sunday marked the end of that 21-day incubation period. dallas county officials confirm they do not have ebola. they never developed symptoms. take a listen. >> there's zero risk that any of those people have ebola. they were in contact with a person who had ebola and the time period for them to get
ebola has lapsed. it's over. they do not have ebola. >> of that number 43 individuals, includes duncan's fiance, louise troh and her family members. they were quarantined after mr. duncan's diagnosis. she issued this statement. "we're so happy this is coming to an end and we're grateful that none of us has shown any sign of illness. we've lost so much but we have our lives and we have our faith in god which always gives us hope." joining me now, dr. kenneth bernard. good to see you, sir. welcome back. >> glad to be back. >> let's begin with that that here you have this fiance who according to this interview she
had with anderson cooper they were sleeping in the same bed. through this 21-day incubation period thank goodness they are a-ok but you have others who have fallen victim to ebola. why is it that those who were so physically close to him did not get it and others did? >> in this case we should be confident that the original medical advice was correct. that is when you are most likely to transmit the disease is when you are actually very, very sick. before he went into the hospital, everybody thought he just had a respiratory infection. he had close contact with over 40 people. all of those people were spared infection. he had contact with them. certainly more contact than people had on airplanes who flew with somebody who also perhaps had the disease. >> and to hear the accounts from the hospital and nurses were treating him in the thick of it. copious amounts of fluids. there was a piece in "the new
yorker" and we read this account about dr. kent brantly in africa taken back to atlanta to emory and survived this. the first to do so. we learned he was hours from dying. he got zmapp. what do we know about this whole vaccine testing process? >> well, there's both drugs. zmapp is a drug you would treat someone who has the disease and then there are vaccines which would prevent it. there's a number of terrific vaccine candidates out there. they'll take a long time to actually get up and running and produced in large enough quantities to make a difference certainly in africa where it would be needed the most. they're probably going to work. that's my guess. and it's something that was prepared. these vaccines were prepared following 9/11 when people were afraid of bioterrorism. a lot of investment was done into planning for diseases that
were not so common even back then. as far as zmapp is concerned, it's a drug and a tough one to make and it takes a long time. while they are trying to ramp that up, it's probably not anybody's first hope for a way to treat the disease. >> you know so much about this. last time we spoke just given your years of working with the administration at the time, aids, sars, anthrax, so you know how this can be and now that we have this from the defense department from the pentagon, they've enlisted what they call this strike team, dozens of medical professionals ready to deploy here in the states in and when another case arises, what do you make of that? how would that even work? >> well, this is a terrific idea. i mean, whenever you have a rapid response necessary to almost anything, the military has preplanned. they are really good at planning logistics. they built runways in the
pacific in world war ii under fire. they know how to get things done. so whenever i see the military involved in anything like this, i'm heartened. i think in this case it's going to be done by northern command. i visited. these are really serious professional people and i think they would be used kind of as a backup to the primary healthcare people that would go out from cdc if we ever had a really bad outbreak of ebola, which doesn't look likely but you have to plan in advance. you don't want to plan while in the middle of the problem. >> kenneth bernard, thank you so much for taking the time. thank you, sir. i really appreciate it. just ahead on cnn, hear directly from the police officer who found human remains in the search for hannah graham. plus, is it possible given the circumstances that it could be this missing university of virginia student? also ahead, a new twist in the
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this abandoned home. the location is significant. let me tell you why. this is just eight miles from where graham was last seen. this is four miles from where suspect jesse matthew once lived and five miles from where morgan harrington's body was found. she was a very tech student whose death is also linkeded to matthew. i want you to listen to this police officer. >> i do believe god wanted us to find what we found. i don't know how else to explain it other than than just something inside me told me to continue to look. >> here's what else sergeant dale terry described what he found. no hair. no flesh. just bones. bones that were intact along with a pair of tight dark colored pants. terry described the vertebrae bone as long and consistent with a tall person's body. he also said the remains were not buried and not too far from the road. let me bring in medical examiner and forensic pathologist here to walk me through what this could and couldn't be.
doctor, welcome. >> thank you. good afternoon. i appreciate you having me. >> i appreciate you coming on. i have a lot of questions for you. the big question, doctor, and let me be as delicate as i can because i cannot stop thinking of this family here, but, you know, as we point out, this wasn't a body -- this was bones. we know hannah graham has been missing for 45 days. is it possible that a body could decompose so quickly? >> the answer to that is i've seen bodies go to skeleton in three or four days. you just need the right conditions with temperature and humidity and this body wasn't buried. it was exposed so if you want to know is this her or not her, address a couple other questions you ask. is it a female skeleton? is it a young adult teen
skeleton and a lot of this is also going to be confirmed on dental records because it's faster. skeletonization is the final stage of decay. there are six stages of decay. one is fresh and two early decomp and there's where everything turns dark and sixth is the dry skeletal decay. it's the final step in decomposition but we have to work with bacteria and scavenger animals and this could be as soon as you tell me it's female, the odds go up. as soon as you tell me it's a young teen skeleton, the odds go up. >> i'm hearing the vertebrae was so long. i believe hannah graham off the top of my head was 5'115'11". you brought up a good point about dental records. can you explain how
investigators are able to use dental records and so quickly identify who this might be? >> dental records have two main purposes. a quick, fast analysis shows the record of fillings and how teeth x-rayed in place and spaces doesn't change over time. and they can match up those x-rays. and then secondly, there could be tooth pulp. we don't have skin. we don't have hair. but tooth pulp has a lot of cells that you can use often in dna. that will take weeks at a dna crime lab. processing has a lot of questions too. i hope it brings closure. >> what about dna? it's not about who this is, it's also about if there is a matter of who did this to who this is.
the man who is sitting behind bars is jesse matthew. we know that they found a forensic link being dna to the young woman from virginia tech so is it possible, doctor, to find dna on bones or perhaps the pants nearby? >> with this much time in the elements, any of his dna may be degraded beyond usefulness. what we would hope is that final analysis would show us that this isn't her and if it's not her, then it's another victim. we want to bring closure to this. they're not going to use any dna there to say this is his dna and it links him. it's more of an identification and not evidentiary. >> got it. if it's not her, it's someone else's son or daughter and hopefully they're able to
identify that individual as quickly as possible. doctor, thank you for joining me. i appreciate your expertise. just ahead, michael brown's blood found inside that police patrol car of that ferguson officer who shot him multiple times. how does this newly reported evidence line up with those multiple eyewitness accounts? we'll discuss that. plus, the united states making a major move in the war against isis. hear who the u.s. military is now arming as the fight escalates for that key border city. stay here. you're watching cnn. it's monday, a brand new start. with centurylink visionary cloud infrastructure, and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable, secure, and agile. you know.... there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies. they're delicious and an excellent source of fiber to help support regularity. mmmm. these are good!
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kurdish fighters say they are hanging onto most of the syrian city of kobani with the help of u.s. led air strikes over the past four days and now new weapons. here's what we're learning now. the u.s. military is dropping arms. dropping ammunition and even food to the kurds who are taking on these isis militants in this ground war. let me turn to a city in turkey just along the border to nick paton walsh. this looks like a shift after washington basically told the world that saving kobani wasn't the top priority. do you think the u.s. was counting on turkey more than it should have? >> reporter: possibly and certainly they seem to have had very fruitless talks. until recently it seems they sat on the hills overlooking kobani but not intervening. this air drop remarkably how direct washington is willing to
assist kurds inside kobani. delivering ammunition, ak-47s and a doctor saying that now he can treat patients with a ton of medical supplies that arrived. badly needed resupply but perhaps it was the turkish today who surprised many by saying they're willing to allow iraqi kurdish fighters, peshmerga in from iraq to travel through turkish territory and join those kurds fighting in kobani to try to hold back isis. turkey changing its stance although i'm sure they can't be happy to learn that u.s. aircraft dropped arms directly to these syrian kurds in kobani who they consider to be a line to terrorists here inside turkey. >> you talk about different kurds. it's worth reminding our american alliance, syrian kurds are considered to be terrorists
but iraqi kurds they are willing to bring into the fight against kobani. how would that work? >> reporter: it would be complicated i would imagine. you would have to assemble groups of peshmerga in north of iraq and then either let them fly or travel by land through turkey to kobani. obviously you have to avoid whatever attention along the way and cross in from the turkish side into kobani somehow presumably with isis aware that they are en route to potentially arriving. a mess but an enormous strategic change in the kind of help kurds in kobani could help. there are a lot of peshmerga. we heard from one kurdish source that those coming to fight may be turkish kurds that have come back and gone into kobani to help the fight to technically what they consider their homeland. a messy situation with the kurds. they seem to be trying to unify somehow to protect kobani.
brooke? >> nick paton walsh, thank you. just after 9:30 at night your time there in turkey along the border. appreciate you. just ahead, blood reportedly found inside that police car of officer darren wilson in ferguson, missouri. are we hearing these leaks of new evidence so the public isn't surprised about the decision of an indictment? we'll ask the question of our legal panel. why now is what i want to know. and as we get word of a new sight offiing of a fugitive, ho he surviving night after night in the woods? we'll talk to a survivalist coming up.
you're watching cnn. bottom of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. pretty stunning report from "the new york times" says michael brown's blood showed up inside of the car of the police officer who ultimately shot him and killed him. it's evidence according to authorities of a struggle. but could the report also be a sign that officer darren wilson will not be indicted? the killing of this unarmed teenager ignited weeks of protests in ferguson, missouri, and gun was found on wilson's gun, uniform, and inside panel of his patrol unit.
let me quote the "times." officers wilson said mr. brown punched and scratched him repeatedly leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck. wilson shot brown to death later outside of the car. so joining me now, joey jackson and also here mike o'mara. let's just begin with you, joey. my first question is why? why are we hearing about these leaks from this police officer from the first time in "the new york times"? are they preparing the public for something major like a nonindictment? >> it's a fabulous question and one i can't answer. why? because you and i both know about grand juries. the integrity of proceedings. they are secretive and that way for a reason to present the evidence and present the information to that panel. remember, there are 12 people on that panel and standard is low. probable cause to believe that a
crime was committed and that darren wilson committed it. why this information is being released to us is the open question. >> why, same question to you. >> i keep saying we should not do this piecemeal because it allows speculation and emotions to get higher. this came from the fbi investigation and not from the grand jury. i would be happy the grand jury is doing it as quietly as they should be. once again someone on officer wilson's behalf is trying to get out information to support his side. it just is one small piece of the puzzle. we don't know the picture yet. everyone is going to use it to justify their side or their emotion and it's dangerous for us to let it out piecemeal. >> i think it's worth reminding viewers because there are a lot of pieces of different eyewitnesses of what they saw and and didn't see. this contradicts the officer's account inside this patrol car. this was michael brown's friend.
this is what he saw. >> reached up the window with his left arm. he grabbed onto my friend, big mike's throat, and tried to pull him in the vehicle. my friend, big mike, verying anally angrily is trying to pull away from the officer and the officer is struggling with trying to hold a grip on my friend as he was trying to pull away. >> did michael try to get the weapon that the police officer had? >> no. at no point in time did they struggle over the weapon. the weapon was already drawn on us. we were more trying to get out of the way of the aim of the weapon besides going toward the weapon because it was drawn on us already. >> mark o'mara, if there was a struggle within this patrol car and this officer felt endangered and fearful of his life, that's
one snippet of this. the next part, which was not answered in "the new york times" piece is why this officer shot this young unarmed man multiple times. would that fear of life justify this excessive force outside of the car? >> the struggle inside the car was certainly justified the use of force inside the car. if anyone was going for that gun or even just attacking an officer physically he's allowed to respond with force up to and including deadly force. shots inside the car. now you get to the point with shots outside of the car. they justify that he's supposed to apprehend him. you can't just chase someone down if they are fleeing from you and shoot them. once and if michael brown turned on him, that it could renew that fear, fear totally justified by fighting at the car. >> joey, jump in. >> it depends. there are three questions that will be answered here. one is what is imminent threat outside? number two, was that fear if there was such a threat
reasonable on behalf of the officer. then number three, was the response proportionate to any threat that was posed? if you're the prosecution, what you're going to argue is that these are two separate instances inside the car justifies one thing in terms of my fear if i'm the officer. what i do outside justifies another completely. if you are defense, you'll argue it's one occurrence leading to my client's state of mind. he was in fear at the time he fired those shots. you showed us the testimony. in any trial you'll have conflicting testimony, conflicting evidence and a variety of eyewitness accounts. you don't have to rely upon eyewitnesses exclusively because you have forensic and other evidence that is going to c corroborate what you said happens or disprove what you say happens. >> let me throw one more piece of sound into this. the "times" says wilson's gun went off twice which matches what two construction workers said about the shooting last month. they weren't from ferguson so
not that anyone would have a certain view of either individual involved but it seems they didn't. here's a portion of a story from our correspondent randi kaye. >> reporter: the unidentified person recording this video captured the witnesses reaction during the final moments of the shooting. both men were contractors working in the area. they did not want to be identified. the man on the left in the pink shirt told cnn they heard one gunshot and then about 30 seconds later, a second shot. he says he saw michael brown staggering and then he said brown put his hands up and said, okay, okay, okay. >> how would those details be important? >> that's a set of eyewitnesses indicating that the person shot michael brown was not posing any threat at all and was surrendering and takes away the need to use excessive force. it provides a piece of the
puzzle where there are many pieces that need to fit in. some witnesses perhaps would support darren wilson's account. other witnesses will be contrary to that account and so when you match all of the evidence together along with the ballistics, forensics and also gunpowder residue. clearly there probably will be based upon internally in that car the shooting but what was the distance of the other shots fired and that will play into the reasonableness of the officer's actions and whether what he did was lawful or unlawful. >> appreciate both of you. keeping a close eye on that out of ferguson, missouri. another possible sighting of alleged cop killer eric frein. police calling it highly credible. listen, we have seen this before. he's been spotted multiple times and continues to evade police. we'll look at the skills of this self-trained survivalist. plus, thousands of children orphaned by ebola. their parents lost their lives
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has canceled this speaker's visit because she's traveling from monrovia, liberia. she's not sick but liberia as you know is one of the three nations hit hardest by this deadly virus. all of this brings me to a true crisis born from the fears of ebola. it's nearly as tragic as the loss of life to this disease, children. they are getting turned away by their own relatives. >> reporter: this is her favorite doll. it was supposed to be his cou n cousin's but she let him have it because she likes it when he's happy. they are the last remaining orphans. their parents died last month and none of the extended family is willing to claim them. they're too afraid. and they're not the only ones.
at the christ kingdom harvest church, a pastor says a prayer for safe keeping. this community like many others has lost friends and loved ones to the disease. his 21-year-old mother sang here. she died last month leaving her to care for her four brothers and sister and her own 1-year-old daughter. >> she was laying in the room dead and all of the children, six of them, were on the porch lying down on the ground. >> reporter: the congregation was initially afraid and unwilling to have the children live among them even after they showed no symptoms of ebola. but the pastor rallied preaching and organizing collections and even just holding the children's hands. a rare gesture in these fearful times to convince his
congregation to care. >> they are separating from the family that has come down with the virus. nobody want to touch or interact. >> reporter: the world health organization believes 4,500 people have died from ebola but numbers don't tell the full story. >> this virus has impact much greater than direct number of people immediately impacted. for each mother, there's a child. for each father, there's a child. >> reporter: the united nations children's fund, unicef, estimates that many children are stigmatized by their communities but some are working to change that. >> you come to my house. they sit in my living room with my family. they are like a family to us now. >> reporter: at the orphanage, they wait for families willing to welcome them into their homes. if that happens, he says he'll
let her take the doll so she doesn't forget him. >> all those children. thank you so much for telling their stories. ahead here on cnn, an important new clue in this hunt for the alleged cop killer, eric frein. a woman says she's seen him mud on his face and rifle in his hand. how has he survived the nights in the cold woods? we'll talk to a survivalist about how he's managed to stay alive. and also michelle knight held captive suffering years of torture and now she's not only forgiving her captor, that monster, but she has a message for the people who did not look for her. that's ahead. narrator: this is the storm sea captain: there's a storm comin narrator: that whipped through the turbine which poured... surplus energy into the plant which generously lowered its price and tipped off the house
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eric frein, this alleged cop killing survivalist, might have made a huge mistake. this woman in central pennsylvania said she saw eric frein this past friday night southwest of the grid where the police mounted this concerted month-long manhunt and this tip is a good one according to authorities. >> it was reported in the area of the pocono mountain east high school. individual's description was consistent with frein and he was observed carrying a rifle. >> this frein guy is an odd one. he has a thing for dressing up like a soldier. he's been known to smoke serbian
cigarettes and he's alluded capture since september 12th when he allegedly shot two police officers killing one out of state barracks. on the phone now is a survivalist. cody, welcome. >> hi, brooke. thanks for having me. >> eric frein may have allowed himself to be seen as apparently he has a few times before he's been spotted. what is this most recent account? what does it sound like to you? might it be a sign of desperation? is he getting careless? >> he supposedly planned this for two years. you obviously have a heads-up. he's also in his own backyard unlike people that are looking for him. he has advantages and being highly motivated because he'll either be shot or arrested when they find him. with that motivation, with that knowledge and background of terrain and that much advanced planning, we didn't do that for the iraq war so he definitely has an advantage.
we'll see what happens after this. >> so this is his home turf. he knows it. still, it's getting cold. how is he surviving the nights in the poconos and what is he eating? >> i would say since he's had advance preparation, he's eating food he stashed or stored or has stolen or is stealing. he's prepared. he has stashes out there of food, gear, sleeping bags, whatever he needs. if you have two years and hung out with me, we could build an entire town in the woods. that's a lot of time to plan this out. he could have rat holes to places to hang out for weeks at a time and be unseen. >> with these multiple stashes and with this town here, this guy could be prepared to hide a long time. >> yeah, he could. again, he's been sighted so he'll probably get caught. they always do get caught but i
want to impress upon the fact that when you're on your home turf, you can look at that in iraq and look at that in vietnam. they have the advantage. he knows his backyard. will he get caught? i'm sure he'll get caught. does he have a few advantages? yes, he does. main thing being two years of prep time. >> this made me think of my producer and i remembering olympic park bombing who hood out in the forests of north carolina for five years before they got him. he was apprehended looking for food in a dumpster. i know you said he could be prepared to the hills with food but could that be an achilles' heel down the road? he gets hungry. >> yes. the achilles' heel is people are looking for him and that puts a lot of stress. i used to live illegally in the woods in a brush shelter for two years. we're not on the air, right, brooke? >> right. not on the air. you didn't tell anyone that. >> i know what it's like to have that psychological stress of not
wanting to be found and it's a pain in the butt frankly. that will tip him over the edge more than anything is psychological stress, which is tearing the body down with adrenaline about he's being pursued and looked for and he's a wanted man and eventually they'll find him. >> if he's not just back on the food issue because i'm fascinated abofascinate ed by your experience, if he has stashes, would that mean he wouldn't have to have a fire? it's cold at night. you would think there would be fires and smoke. they would find him. >> you don't need a fire if you have proper clothing. i just got done with an outdoor survival course yesterday. with proper clothing and sleeping bag, you don't need to have fire whatsoever. with l.e.d. lights under ground, you don't need all that stuff. if he has canned food or stuff that doesn't need cooking, he could be good to go for several weeks or months. >> cody lundin, thank you for
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michelle knight forgives the man that tortured her for more than a decade and held her hostage. 33-year-old knight shared her story of survival and faith. knight was one of the three women who had been beaten, raped and held captive for years inside ariel castro's cleveland home. >> for me it's holding onto hatred that would control your life. if you hold onto it, you're going to condemn your life to hell. and i choose to forgive that person for all of the wrongdoing that they have done to me and
for the people that didn't look for me, i forgive them too because it wasn't their fault. >> our cleveland affiliate wkyw reports knight changed her first name to lillie. we continue on top of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with this possible serial killer and this killing spree that police say could span two decades. a 19-year-old woman has been found strangled to death at a hotel in hammond, indiana. a suspect is now under arrest but the discovery doesn't stop there. because while this guy has been in custody, police say 43-year-old darren vann started talking and where they could find the bodies of other women. the next day police went out and found three more female bodies. total here, seven. seven bodies found over the course of three days. at least three of these locations are actually