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for me, i forgive them too because it wasn't their fault. >> our cleveland affiliate wkyw reports knight changed her first name to lillie. we continue on top of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with this possible serial killer and this killing spree that police say could span two decades. a 19-year-old woman has been found strangled to death at a hotel in hammond, indiana. a suspect is now under arrest but the discovery doesn't stop there. because while this guy has been in custody, police say 43-year-old darren vann started talking and where they could find the bodies of other women. the next day police went out and found three more female bodies. total here, seven. seven bodies found over the course of three days. at least three of these locations are actually abandoned
houses and just a short time ago the hammond police chief talked about the suspect's candor. >> mr. vann told the police officers at the scene that he had messed up by committing the crime in hammond and was surprised how quickly he was located after the incident. >> vann could be charged as early as today. let me bring in a private investigator and security specialist and a former investigator with fulton county georgia medical examiner's office. we know they found this initial body in this motel. flash forward. that was friday night. they get this guy in custody. little by little he not only starts talking and confessing but takes them physically to these locations to find these women. does that happen very often? >> actually, it happens more often than you would believe in these type of cases for whatever
reason. this is something very difficult for people to live with if they have any sense of morality or consciousness and they may be able to suppress it for some time but eventually it happens. i worked on four serial killer cases in my experience of being a criminal defense investigator and i had one case that was very similar to this involving young ladies and so it's very difficult. our client in that particular case gave a full confession as well. >> it's incredible that at some point they do develop a conscience but that's generous given what people are capable of. my next question for you is so far six bodies. what do you make of the fact they are all women. one of them was found on some craigslist like service and two of them were found strangled.
>> what's significant here, brooke, is idea that we're looking for patterns. patterns of behavior. patterns of forensic that we can trace and it is very significant because most of the time -- let's keep in mind, this gentleman is in his early 40s. people do not just overnight suddenly become serial killers. this is something that has been a progression that he's been leading up to throughout his life. i would suspect if we were to dig deep into this guy's past and do proper investigation, there probably will be more bodies that will turn up. he might be a sex offender. you never know. >> he was. he was on the sex offender registry in texas. >> one thing we'll look for here and key thing to keep in mind, is there dna or physical evidence we can link back to these cases? i find it interesting that he squirreled these bodies away. also, most of the time with serial killers, many times let me frame it that way, they will
keep mementos and i would be interested to see if they can find a location where he was keeping something that he was particularly fond of. something that reminded him of the event. >> i'm fascinated by that. i did an entire hour-long documentary on a serial killer and what broke the the story. he was behind bars and collected and kept and carved out in a wood shop in jail all of these different figurines he placed around this map. why do they do that? >> as strange as it sounds, there's their accomplishment. it's cold trophies. they keep trophy of their accomplishments. as bizarre as it is in the criminal element, this is how it manifests itself in the criminal mind. we mentioned about other bodies. another thing you may come across we had in the case i worked on, we had six bodies. there would have been a seventh victim were it not for someone
who interrupted the individual when he was attempted to do a murder. there may be other potential victims out there that just basically for whatever reason they were able to get away from this guy. >> and talking about potential victims. you mentioned patterns. if this guy thus far is talking, what are investigators doing to then try to find those bodies. i believe they said this could go all of the way back to '94, '95. >> it's disturbing he was on sex offender registry in texas. one interesting point we need to bring up is this element of surprise. he was surprised he was found. when people get into these patterns and they are comfortable with their behaviors, once they begin to stray out of this comfort zone, that's when they'll make mistakes. they become very skilled at one particular thing and it's
repetitive behavior. they get very used to it. so what we're going to look for here is to see what else turns up along this trail. it's going to be very important to try to track his life up to this point back up to 20 to 25 years in the past. >> again, we said according to police charges could come as early as today. gentlemen, thank you. thank you both very much. she had to endure tremendous fear, grief and isolation but today the fiance of ebola victim thomas eric duncan is in the clear. she's okay. dallas health officials confirm that louise troh, her son and two other relatives all staying in that same apartment at the time show no signs of ebola. remember that 20-day incubation period, that quarantine, it ended yesterday. so ms. troh did not speak out publicly once this period had ended but she did issue this statement. let me read for you what she said. "we are so happy this is coming
to an end. and we are so grateful that none of us has shown any sign of illness. we have lost so much but we have our lives and we have our faith in god, which always gives us hope." and that hope by the way extends overseas to west africa. two countries, nigeria and senegal have been declared ebola free by the world health organization. that's huge. but that is not the case in liberia and in sierra leone, which are still ravaged by this deadly virus. the united nations just confirmed today that a third worker of theirs died from ebola. that staff worker was actually working in sierra leone. and cnn international anchor is live for us in nigeria. despite the latest news from the u.n., how would you characterize this? cautious optimism? >> reporter: well, brooke, i would say that certainly on the ground here in nigeria there's a
huge sigh of relief. let's put it in context for our viewers. the first case of ebola in nigeria occurred in the commercial capitol of this country. i'm talking about a city of some 21 million people. a liberian american man collapsed at the airport and that is how ebola made its way to this country and the fear was that in a city as large as that, this would be a springboard for this disease to spread across the country. what nigeria did was implement a robust, swift set of measures to contact trace. we've heard that phrase over and over again. contact tracing. people that had any kind of contact with that patient zero. and isolating those at high risk and maintaining an effective communication system to tell people what was going on and they say that was the key. that was the key here in nigeria. across the region in sierra leone, liberia and guinea, those are countries that don't have as robust a healthcare system and they need just about everything.
they need medical personnel. they need beds. they need better and faster diagnostics. they need more people to get on the ground and help these countries defeat this virus, which is tearing apart families and communities and has left these countries on the brink, brooke. >> all right. thank you so much in nigeria for us. just ahead on cnn. breaking news in the war against isis. terrorists conducting 15 nearly simultaneous attacks on kurdish forces in iraq. more on that in a moment as i speak to a journalist who went to the front lines and talked to the fighters. fascinating story. and we're hearing new evidence from that michael brown shooting that could give the clearest details yet of darren wilson's account of that day in ferguson, missouri, when that unarmed teenager was shot and killed. also ahead, a woman hands a bottle of morphine to her dying father. he was 93 years of age and
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i have a lifetime of experience. so i know how important that is. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. a stunning reporting from "the new york times." they are saying that michael brown's blood showed up inside of this patrol car of the police officer that shot and killed him. it's evidence according to authorities of a struggle but could the report also be a sign that officer wilson will not be
indicted? the killing of this unarmed teenager ignited weeks and weeks of protests and violence in ferguson, missouri. i'll read you part of this report from "the new york times" indicating that the fbi found blood on wilson's gun, wilson's uniform and the inside panel of wilson's patrol unit. quoting the "times" now, "officers wilson told authorities that brown had bunched and scratched him repeatedly leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck." this contradicts what the friend of michael brown. they had been together that afternoon. this is what he says he saw. >> reached up the window with his left arm and grabbed on my friend, big mike's, throat, and tried to pull him in the vehicle and my friend big mike angrily
is trying to pull away from the officer and the officer now is struggling with holding a grip on my friend big mike as he tries to pull away. >> did michael try to get the weapon that the police officer had? >> no, sir. that's incorrect. at no point in time did they struggle over the weapon because the weapon was already drawn on us so we were more trying to get out of the angle or aim of the weapon besides going toward the weapon because it was drawn on us already. >> that was just one of those eyewitness accounts. this is the man who was all over the story for you don't remember how many weeks in ferguson, missouri, at the time. don lemon joins me now. we appreciate you coming in early. wanted your perspective on this. i talked to two lawyers last hour before we get into facts and what we know and don't. the fact that this leaked is egregious. it should never have happened. perhaps -- they couldn't answer this, setting up the public for
a nonindictment. >> that's a big perhaps. as you listened to legal experts even in the beginning of this, most legal experts will tell you it's very hard to convict a police officer in this situation barring any sort of evidence, videotaped evidence, or anything beyond that. >> there was none other than audio. >> there is an unsubstantiated report there is video evidence they removed but no one has been able to make anything of that. again, it's been said it will be tough to convict this officer and with new evidence on the gun and on the uniform and on the patrol unit. no one's testimony in this particular case, no one's testimony is to be taken as gospel. johnson's nor the officer's. most witnesses in any particular situation, they're going to do what helps them the most. all right. but what speaks as gospel is the evidence in the case. that's the gun. that's the uniform. that's the patrol unit barring
any sort of evidence beyond video. so that's what's going to speak to the grand jury. everyone is going to say what helps their side and so they'll say the officer had this and officer had that. let's remember there are two separate incidences here. what took place at the car. no one -- everyone said there was an altercation at the car. and then what happened once they got beyond the car. >> talking to the lawyers -- i'm so glad you brought that up. it's one issue if you're inside the car and you're this officer and according to his account -- let's be clear "the new york times" didn't answer the question why he shot at michael brown multiple times. it's one thing to have taken the gun and shot him in the car and another scenario to have it play out outside of the car. if it comes to it, it may not, how defense versus prosecution would present that. >> i'm sure you have spoken to mark o'mara throughout this. it's different what happened in the seconds that we didn't see
which is why george zimmerman walked away. no one knew exactly what happened during those moments and according to the evidence that they had, according to gospel so to speak that they had, it was in george zimmerman's favor. if it plays out as to what "the new york times" is saying, evidence goes in favor of the officer in ferguson, missouri. blood on the ground. blood on the uniform. blood on the patrol unit at that particular moment. beyond that, several people said his hands were in the air. others who said his hands were not in the air and they were by his side. contradicting testimony. you have to look at the evidence. >> don lemon, thank you for coming in. appreciate you very much. make sure to watch don tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern tonight on cnn. thank you, sir. coming up next, if your mother or your father heaven forbid are sick and getting older and perhaps terminal lly illinois and they want to commit
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you know the story of 26-year-old brittany maynard in oregon. she put the spotlight on a person's right to die. the state of oregon and just a couple other states recognize that right. but pennsylvania is not one of them. facing ten years, ten years behind bars for allegedly helping her 93-year-old father kill himself. she talked to anderson cooper on
"60 minutes." >> he asked me to hand him the bottle and i did. i had the dosing syringe in my hand. he took the cap off. he drank what was remaining in the bottle. >> could you have stopped him? >> i could have i think. i mean, he did it pretty quickly. no, i didn't try to stop him. >> did you feel you aided a suicide? >> no, i didn't. i felt like what i did was hand my father his medicine. he didn't tell me i'm going to kill myself today. he asked me for the medicine. >> do you think if pennsylvania had a law like they have in oregon, things would have been different? >> i do. i also feel that he should have had the option if he wanted it. >> cnn commentator and legal analyst, this story has been in the news so much. i talked about it with so many colleagues and friends given the case in oregon but in this particular case in pennsylvania, let's back up for a minute.
under the eyes of the law, what's assisted suicide? >> assisted suicide is when you physically help somebody commit suicide and there's two qualifications for this. the first is that i provide you with the implement that you use. whether it's medicine, as we saw in this case in pennsylvania, or a gun. i hand you a gun. i do it knowing that you have the intent to do it, the intent to kill yourself. >> he was sick. he was 93. she was aware. >> and what's interesting is had he reached for the bottle and just downed it himself, there would be no issue. she could have witnessed the whole thing. she might have even tapped him on the arm and said it's going to be okay, dad. the supreme court has said that encouraging somebody is part of your first amendment right as long as it is not done
maliciously. it's a much longer complicated jurisprudence to get into but she handed it to him knowing what would happen. i don't think she'll be indicted or convicted in this case. >> he didn't die that day. they rush him to the hospital to give medication to reverse the morphine. four days later he dies and so she is furious over the way in which he passed away. >> exact opposite of what he wanted. he didn't want to go to the hospital. he didn't want medical intervention. he wanted to die at home and on his own terms. what actually happened was an absolute -- not only nightmare for the family but it was in the complete disregard for what this man wanted for himself, which i personally believe. i disagree with 45 states that make it illegal. i think we should have death
with dignity laws. >> do you think we will with what we've seen with legalization with marijuana. not treated like it was five years ago. might we see that over the course of the next few years with right to die do you think? >> i don't know. i can't imagine being a politician that takes this on as my big champion for my re-election. it's a polarizing issue. >> very polarizing issue. every single family in this country will deal with this. i saw my father in law struggle for 15 months as he battled cancer and we had discussions on whether he wanted to go to portland to end it. this is happening behind closed doors. that's why i think these laws are important to bring it out of the shadows. i do believe that you can give end of care. people are scared about dying. most people are. there is a lot of fear about pain associated with it. you can help people manage pain
but also give people a choice about how they end their life if they want to. >> it's tough to talk about. it's ugly. glad we're talking about it. thank you so much. i appreciate it. breaking news in the war against isis. we're getting word that terrorists carried out 15 simultaneous attacks on kurdish fighters in iraq. coming up, i speak with a kurdish woman that went to the front lines, iraq and syria. spoke with civilians. spoke with fighters risking everything. many of them women and sometimes losing everything. plus, remains. human remains found near charlottesville, virginia. the newest lead here in the search for missing university of virginia student hannah graham. there are serious questions about whether it could be her. we'll talk to a forensic expert and get his opinion on that coming up. tate is jump-starting business with startup-ny. an unprecedented program that partners businesses with universities across the state. for better access to talent, cutting edge research,
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reporter based there in stockholm, sweden. she traveled to iraq and syria recently to profile these ethnic fighters on the front lines. many of whom are women. want you to watch this part of her revealing report. >> i've been following the kurdish women fighters for some years now but they've been fighting at the front lines for more than 30 years. they have been fighting for the rights in the kurdish areas in iran, turkey, syria and iraq. she's been fighting for over ten years now. i meet them and they're not fighting a government but isis. even though they are simply armed, they're determined to stay and fight and prevent isis from getting to the old city of kirkuk. and before it's time to change to the next group, they write down their thoughts. we have been present when history is written but not mentioned. this time we will be mentioned
and seen. one of 40 million kurds throughout the country. >> and we're joined now from stockholm. thank you so much for joining me. absolutely phenomenal reporting there. >> thank you. >> so here's what i want to begin with. i'm wondering, what surprised you more? that so many of these fighters are women or that they are coming together all these different nationalities and united and almost liberated in battle? >> i would say both. i'm kurdish and i've heard these stories. i've heard a lot of women do go to battle but still i was surprised. you're not used to seeing women with uniform with a gun. >> what is their motivation to leave their homes, leave their families, and fight? >> i would say their motivation is something we take for granted to be equal, to have the right
to speak your mind, to do what you want to do to become what you want to become. those simple things motivates them. and because they have this background by not being able to do this and when they joined the guerrillas they feel equalness and they want to fight even more for it. >> the sense of inequality is something i imagine they are accustomed to it given this part of the world and the culture from which they come. my question is since they are fighting alongside a lot of men from this part of the world, how do the men receive these women? >> it sounds like they were even proud. they were proud that the women were among them and very often they said they would fight harder than us. when a fellow gets injured, it's almost always the woman who is the first one on spot to help. >> a lot of these female fighters are actually taking the time to chronicle their roles in
this war in their journals and diaries. did she share that with you? >> they were writing about things they were miss. they were writing about their dreams. what they did exactly that day. the friends they lost in the battle. about what gives them courage. i mean, they all knew about what happened to the yazidi people and they wrote that as something they would like to fight for. >> there was a much longer interview you can watch at cnn.com/brooke. coming up next, skeletal remains recently discovered near charlottesville, virginia, where search teams have been looking for missing university of virginia student hannah graham. could this be her or someone else? we'll talk live to a forensic pathologist about what was found and how police will determine who this is.
newest name in social networking today is monica lewinsky. the woman who is the most famous white house intern just joined twitter. here's her first tweet. just three short words. hashtag, here we go. let's talk about this with kelly wallace who also covered d.c. for a little while. thank you for wearing several hats for us today. let's begin with -- what was her -- here we go. what was that supposed to mean? >> here we go. she's plunging. here i am on twitter. she's been quiet for the most part for ten plus years. now she's putting herself out there on twitter. what she also said was very excited to speak at this "forbes" under 30 summit and she made big news. >> let's talk about that. >> she basically said she's going to devote her life to t
trying to end cyberbullying and online shaming that damaged her. she said i was patient zero. the first person to have their reputation completely destroyed worldwide via the internet. she went on to say staring at the computer screen i spent the day screaming oh my god or that's out of context and those are only thoughts that interrupted a relentless mantra in my head i want to die. it's powerful hearing that from her as someone who says now i'm going to try to devote my life to trying to bring an end to this thing, this action that is very damaging to so many people. >> that story is pretwitter. prefacebook. can you imagine what that would have looked like at the time had that existed? >> exactly. we were talking about it. i was talking about it with one of your producers. why is she doing this and why
now? a little bit. >> we saw her "vanity fair" this year. >> she's trying to talk about what happened. this is in one way putting my cynical hat on, it's one way to rehabilitate her image and sort of change her brand but it's also a brave thing to do. put herself out there. she's going to be ridiculed all day. people will say give me a break. i'm one of the people that said if you want to devote your life to this important issue, go for it. >> go girl. kelly wallace, thank you very much. appreciate it. coming up next, president obama started out with democrats in the majority in the house and senate. first democrats lost the house and now might they lose the senate? hello. two weeks to go. midterm elections. here's the president in early voting today. how can he rescue the senate? that debate next. ♪ [ male announcer ] you wouldn't ignore signs of damage in your home. are you sure you're not ignoring them in your body?
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meetings. did you see an indecisive president? how do you feel about the criticism that's been made? >> i have to disagree with his characterization of the president. the president is a deliberate person in an appropriate way. he's also resolute. once he makes up his mind. i think that what leon said in the book is unfortunate. frankly, i don't think it's something that a former cabinet member should do while the president you serve is still in office. that's not something that i would even consider doing. >> so a little swipe there at leon panetta, former defense chief whose book describes obama as wishy washy and deferring to other nations on the thorniest issues. so donna brazile is with me and so is s.e. cupp. cautious or indecisive? >> i think he's deliberate. he has so much in is inbox. so much on his plate.
i think he's disposed of many issues whether it's making sure that the financial sector came back from the brink, working to ensure that consumers can get loans for housing and of course the two wars. i think he's been very decisive. i haven't been able to read the entire book. it's 512 pages. i have a lot of other books on my shelf right now. i skimmed through it. there are some great stories that i think leon panetta talks about. the president is deliberate. he assembled a team of rivals because he wanted to hit different points of view. >> going back to the word deliberate describing the president. isn't there also a thing as being too cautious and too deliberate when it comes to an issue such as the war in syria? >> yeah. i mean, eric holder's admiration for his friend, president obama, is clear and it's adorable. it's not really -- it doesn't
really reflect reality. the reality of the situation if you talk to democrats in his administration, democrats on the campaign trail, democrats in congress, democratic strategists, they complained privately and publicly that the president has waited too long on any number of crises and failures whether the a.c. criva isis, ebola, they complained that he hasn't acted decisively or soon enough and public polling, public perception of president obama doesn't reflect that either. public perception of the president is that he has waited too long and he's not come out strongly enough. it's just not the reality. >> he doesn't shoot from the hip. he's not shooting from the hip unless he's playing basketball or maybe swinging a golf club. he is someone who likes to hear from different people.
these are weighty issues. you can't just go in there and arm one faction and come out the next day and that same faction is shooting at you. i think his style while it may be discomforting for some people, i actually like the fact that he is deliberate and he thinks about this and that he's able to listen to people, a range of views from all across the spectrum. read the entire book. i read only half of it. it's really good. many of these crucial decisions including the risk that the country took and he took as well and captured and bringing bin laden to justice, that was tough. >> we know. the there there are -- >> one voice. let me be one voice for people here because people will write
i would love to hear both of your opinions. you have bob gates, hillary clinton and now leon panetta writing about the boss and the boss is still in office. i'm curious your take on the fact that people are writing these momeemoirs with the boss still at the white house. >> i guess they're trying to get maximum exposure to sell their books. but the three people you mentioned are great public servants. and you know what? so what? >> i think president obama probably feels a little bit differently than "so what." let's legacy predicting going on. leon panetta can't really say, this is what leon panetta did. i think he wants to be clear on the foreign policy decisions he wanted to make that were not listened to. and i also think he was pretty frustrated, as was bob gates, as you could tell, that some of
these foreign policy decisions were being made from a political point of view. and i think he greatly disagreed with where some of that reasoning was coming from and wanted to express that. >> leon panetta left the nixon administration because he thought president nixon was too lax on civil rights enforcement. he criticized bill clinton because he thought bill clinton wasn't acting fast enough on the deficit. leon panetta is a former member of congress, cia director, great public servant. i disagree with some of the things he said. but it's a good read. i need to read the rest of it as soon as the election is over with when the democrats retain control of the senate. i had to get that one in. >> nice, nice, donna brazile. let's save that for another conversation. news flash, yeah, midterms, two weeks away. let's talk about that tomorrow. s.e. cupp and donna brazile, thanks for coming in. we'll all read the book. coming up next, breaking
news, the main suspect in the disappearance of missing university of virginia student hannah graham is indicted for a rape in virginia. this as skeletal remains were just found over the weekend. in the charlottesville area. that's coming up. (cheering) yeah!! touchdown! who's ready for half time? ok i'm going to draw something up new... who ate the quarterback? share what you love with who you love. kellogg's frosted flakes. they're grrreat!
university of virginia student hannah graham here. this is coming from fairfax police. they will be announcing in the next hour his indictment on charges related to three, three separate sexual assault counts, including abduction and rape back in 2005. this happening mere days after investigators came across human remains in the search for this missing university of virginia student. they found a skull and scattered bones just off of a road in a dried-up creekbed in charlottesville, virginia, significant as the exposed bones were just eight miles from where graham was last seen, four miles from where this suspect, jesse matthew, once lived, and five miles from where morgan harrington's body was found. she was the virginia tech student whose death is linked forensically dna to matthew. here was the officer who made the discovery. >> i do believe god wanted us to find what we found.
i don't know how else to explain it other than something inside me told me, just continue to look. >> sergeant dale terry goes on to describe the remains, no hair, no fleshes, just bonus intact along with a pair of tight dark-colored pair of pants. he described the vertebrae as that of long and someone who would be very tall. let me bring in dr. cyril wack. to be delicate about this, this wasn't a body, it was bones. when we talk about as she has been in the headlines, hannah graham missing for some 30-plus days, is it possible a body could decompose in that short amount of time? >> yes, given the temperature, the overall environment in which the body was found and she has
been missing for about five weeks, i believe that skeletonization could have well occurred. you have the body exposed to the elements. you've got everything that goes with a wooded area including the possibility of animal activity. i don't want to get into more detail than that. but this is not a body inside a house. it's an exposed body. so, yes, considering all of those factors, then you can have skeletal remains such as has been described in this case. >> what about dental records? how quickly will investigators be able to identify the skele n skeleton? >> identification could possibly have already been made as we speak. if they obtained hannah graham's dental records and they had an opportunity to present those to a forensic odontologist, then the match could have already been made, assuming the
availability of such an expert. and that correlated with the forensic anthropological examinati examination, i think it is quite conceivable the identification has been made although they won't be divulging that for a while. so i think that we shall have a definite determination made quite shortly whether it is or is not hannah graham, considering the sensitivity of the situation, the great pathos involved with the parents and close relatives and friends of this young lady, i'm sure they will want to know whether there is closure. so i think that they're going to act quickly. and that determination will be made in a forensic scientific fashion with no conjecture. dna can be accomplished, too, if there are cellular elements in some of the bones. that will take a couple or few days. i do not believe they will get
any dna evidence on the skeletal remains to tie in the alleged assailant. >> doctor wecht, we're about to lose your satellite. i have to cut you off. thank you so much for coming on. if it's not hannah graham, it is someone else's son or daughter. thank you for being with me. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. 91 days under quarantine, watched for ebola. but now free to eat at restaurants, go to the movies, shop at the mall. but what if 21 days was not enough? i'm jake tapper. this is "the lead." the national lead, 44 more people told they do not have ebola after spending three weeks in quarantine or under observation. but some lawmakers are saying 21 days is not nearly enough time to know for sure. the world health organization waits longer to clear some cases. so who's right? plus, the number of dead in west africa multiplying