tv CNN Newsroom With Carol Costello CNN October 21, 2014 7:00am-8:01am PDT
good morning, i'm carol costello. we begin with some breaking news. a dallas judge will be speaking any moment now about the remaining five people on the initial 48 who had contact with thomas eric duncan, the first person to die in the united states from ebola. as you remember, the quarantine period ended yesterday for the other 43 people. we are monitoring his comments for any new developments and we'll bring you that as soon as we get it. but first, the cdc lays out new guidelines to protect health care workers from ebola after two nurses who treated duncan contracted the disease. cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen is at cnn headquarters in atlanta with more. good morning. >> good morning, carol. these new guidelines will hopefully prevent the infection, the kind of infection that got
nina pham and amber vinson sick with ebola, the two nurses we've heard so much about. let's go over what the cdc wants to change. first of all, rigorous and repeated training. that is so important. training people how the do this. also no skin exposed. the previous guidelines left the possibility for skin exposure. and supervised by a trained monitor. so you're not just doing this on your own. someone is watching you. a few more details, respirators, that's a fancy word for masks. disposable full-face shield. surgical hoods covering the head and neck and a waterproof apron which would cover the torso to the mid-calf. double gloves, mid-calf boot covers and a fluid resistant gown or cover all. so they're being much more specific about what they want. hopefully, again, this will prevent more health care workers from getting ebola. carol? >> i guess the big question is why didn't they do all of this months ago? >> right. they put these guidelines out
quite a while ago. and what i'm hearing from folks is, look, the cdc was trying to make it easy for hospitals to do this so they wanted them to be able to use whatever they had on hand. and, you know, now they're thinking maybe that wasn't the best idea. maybe they should have been sort of more -- given better directions, been sort of more dictatorial about this and said, look, you may not have this on hand but you're going to have to get it. >> elizabeth cohen reporting live for us this morning, thank you so much. in gary, indiana, a murder investigation widens and police fear they may have the work of a serial killer on their hands. they questioned darren deon van. he confessed to killing 19-year-old africa hardy, he let them to six more bodies in nearby gary, indiana, and police are looking for more bodies this morning. cnn's poppy par low will be heading out with search teams.
are you embarking right now, poppy? >> we are leaving shortly, we're at the gary, indiana, police department. what i can tell you is that this town is on edge. they are looking for possibly any more bodies that may be connected to this string of murders, seven murders, all of the bodies have been led to by the 43-year-old suspect darren van. what is happening in just a few moments, we'll head out with them, they are going to go building to building using what the officers are calling a grid pattern, about 20 different police officers, multiple teams. there are a lot of abandoned structures, homes and abandoned buildings around here. that's where all of these bodies were found over the last few days and that's the big concern, are there more bodies. i asked officers "have you had any indication from darren van that there are more bodies?" and they said no but they are checking as a precaution. we know that they're going to go out with cadaver dogs, that is typical in how they would do this search. we also know that darren van incredibly cooperative with
police and we're told by the police chief his mental state is "normal." now, i'm talking about a guy with a string of arrests, a criminal history going back to 1993, an aggravated rain conviction in 2009 for which he served five years in jail. so what we keep asking officers is did the system fail? why was someone like this who was apparently monitored as recently as accept, how could he have carried out at least this one murder of afrikka hardy and the six other bodies he himself led police to. >> poppy, i'll let you get to it. you'll check back with us if anything develops. poppy harlow reporting live from gary, indiana. the family of oscar pistorius's girlfriend reeva steenkamp say they're satisfied justice has been done but prosecutors could still appeal after the olympian was sentenced today. pistorius faces a maximum sentence of five years in prison for culpable homicide in the
shooting death of steenkamp. the couple homicide charge in south africa means a person was killed unintentionally but unlawfully. pistorius can asked to be released under house arrest after serving ten months. joining me to talk about this, joey jackson. good morning. >> good morning, carol. >> so, you know, i mean five years doesn't sound like much for killing someone. >> it's a very difficult thing, carol, and i have never worn the black robe but i certainly appear regularly before those that do and it's a difficult decision. if you listen to what she indicated when she was rendering the decision she said, listen, i'm going to do two things. number one, i'm going to ensure the sentence i impose sends the right message to the community. we don't want to send the wrong message. you remember, carol, the defense was really pushing for house arrest and community service. she said i'm not going to do that. that's the wrong message. at the same time, i don't want to be vengeful and i don't want to carry out a sentence which would do anything else but impose some measure of mercy. so judges have to balance the
equities. and to the extent as you explained it, it's culpable homicide and that amounts to gross negligence, unintentional so she had to balance those two and as a result it's five years. >> the steenkamp family seems to be okay with this but there are some curious things surrounding this. for example, oscar pistorius has been sending the steenkamp family money. is thaun usual? >> it really is unusual. as the hearing proceeded there was the indication by the family they would be returning the money and they termed it quote/unquote blood money. so it's unusual. at the same time oscar pistorius felt it was the appropriate and right thing to do based upon the financial needs of the family and his measure of remorse, at least that's how it came across. it was a remorseful thing, he knew there was some financial difficulties so he wanted to do -- showing some measure of support by doing that but it's
unusual to say the least. >> when all is said and done, oscar pistorius actually even though he was sentenced to five years could get out in ten months. >> he could. and there's some dispute from the defense and the prosecution as to whether it's 10 months xx months but nonetheless whether it's 10 or 0, the point to be made, it's far less significant than the five years and some would argue five years is not significant at all. particularly when he could have faced 15 years for doing what he has done. so based upon that, it would certainly seem that ten months you have to wonder whether that would be appropriate at all. also remember, carol, that he'll be in a hospital unit. there was an argument during the sentencing that jail could not accommodate special needs. he has a disability. but they've been assured by the main official at the jail he'll be kept in a hospital unit and serve his time there away from the general population.
but ten months 20, months, it begs the question. >> it certainly does. joey jackson, thanks so much for your insight. i appreciate it. >> pleasure and a privilege. still to come, does a drug-dealing action figure belong at a toy store? we're talking about an action figure who deals meth. mothers are demanding toys "r" us remove that toy. we'll talk about that next.
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a question for you this morning. can abortion be destigmatized. there's a new strat until the battle over abortion rights. i write about that in an op-ed on cnn.com this morning. not only are some tv shows like" parenthood" portraying abortion without shame but activists are, too, as in posting their abortions online for everyone to see as emily lets did. lets, then 25, and an abortion counselor at cherry hill women's center in new jersey videotaped her surgical abortion procedure and posted it to youtube earlier this year. >> i'll be by your side the whole time during the procedure for your hand to hold. i'll be here. >> i just want to share my story. >> extreme. you betcha. after all, extremism works in america. in-your-face behavior seems to
be the only message that get us there other noise. pro-choicers say extremism has worked for the pro-life movement so why not give it a try. although a pro-life advocate told me "i don't think women standing up and sayi ining i've an abortion and i'm proud of it is going to have much of an impact." can abortion be destigmatized? go to cnn.com/opinion and post your opinion there or message me at facebook.com/carolcnn or tweet me at carolcnn. i'll be right back.
>> say my name. >> eisenberg. >> you're [ bleep ] right. >> whoo, heisenberg, walter white, whatever you call him, one florida mother does not want to see his face as toys "r" us. yes, toys "r" us sells drug-dealing action figures inspired by the hit -- inspired by the hit amc television show "breaking bad." which, of course, followed the downfall of a science teacher
turned meth kingpin and now a florida mother has kicked off an online campaign to get the toys taken off the shelves. cnn's alison kosik joins me with more on this. not only is it a walter white action figure but it comes with meth! >> with your own little meth bag, sure, that your child can play with. so let me back up for those of you who have no idea what "breaking bad" is. it's seen as one of the greatest tv series of all time. it ended last year after running for five seasons and you alluded to it. it's about a chemistry teacher, walter white played by bryan cranston. he takes on a crazy life of crime, produces and sells crystal meth to make as much money as possible for his family before he dies. okay, he ultimately becomes a drug kingpin. not the kind of role model you want for your children, right? but how about toys based on the series? so that's what's upset this florida mom. she's really upset she launched this petition to have his
character and the other "breaking bad" action figure taken off the shelves of toys "r" us. she started a change.org petition. it has 6,000 signatures. she says "hey, listen, i'm a fan of the show, it was riveting but dolls shouldn't be sold next to children's toys" because of what she calls the violent content and celebration of the drug trade. the "breaking bad" doll as you said and we laughed about it, comes with a detachable sack of cash and a bag of meth. imagine your child walking around with that and wondering what that means. now toys "r" us told one of our florida affiliates that the products are carried in limited quantities and the product packaging clearly notes the items are intended for ages 15 and up. a little bit of humor here. br bryan cranston took to twitter he wrote "i'm so mad, i'm burn mig florida mom action figure in protest." [ laughter ] >> i was just going to say.
you really want your 15-year-old to have a meth action figure? >> that's another thing. they say it's for 15 or older. but especially don't want my 15-year-old who may have access to get drugs in the first place? come on! >> yeah. alison kosik, thanks so much. it's a strange world, isn't it? i'll be right back.
monica lewinsky stepping back into the spotlight with a new mission -- to end cyber bullying. the former white house intern is all too familiar with harassment after her affair with president clinton and the fallout reviewed around the world through the internet. now lewinsky is vowing to help others not only deal with their shame but also to survive. here's what she told the attendees at the "forbes" 30 under 30 summit. >> 16 years ago, fresh out of college, a 22-year-old intern in the white house and, more than averagely romantic, i fell in love with my boss in a 22-year-old sort of way. it happens. but my boss was the president of the united states.
that probably happens less often. overnight i went from being a completely private figure to a publicly humiliated one. i was patient zero, the first person to have their reputation completely destroyed worldwide via the internet. there was no facebook, twitter, or instagram back then, but there were gossips, news, and entertainment web sites repleat with comment sections and e-mails could be forwarded. staring at the computer screen, i spent the day shouting "oh, my god!" and "i can't believe that put that in." or "that's so out of context." and those were the only thoughts
that interrupted a relentless mantra in my head "i want to die." this was different than the embarrassment i felt when my younger brother read my diary or when my seventh grade crush shared the love letter i had written him with everyone he knew. now my brother and all his fraternity brothers were privy to my most intimate details, as were my dad and his fellow doctors and my step dad and his world war ii war buddies, my step mom and her knitting circle. even both of my grandmothers who were in their 80s knew about the internet. today i think of myself as someone who -- who the hell
knows how -- survived. what i want to do now is help other victims of the shame game survive, too. i want to put my suffering to good news and give purpose to my past. >> nearly two decades after her ordeal, lewinsky's message was this -- anyone can be a target of cyber bullying and it can impact not just your career but your entire life. kelly wallace is our cnn digital correspondent and jenny kuttner is the assistant editor with salon.com. good to be with you. so earlier i talked with the organizer and he said the audience was moved to tears. why do you think she struck such a chord. >> i looked at the tweets coming from the speech they said "courageous, inspiring, standing ovation." it's a powerful, powerful message. i'm moved listening to it. it is powerful to hear what she went through. we all know it. many of us were covering it.
but it's relatable. one moment someone's reputation can flip on a dime and i think very brave of her to come forward and say i want to dedicate myself to try and prevent this, this kind of internet activity that is damaging lives and leading to some deaths, too. >> on the other hand, jenny, the trolls were out and you wrote about them on salon.com. >> so i -- not to give it more airtime, but i did sort of a roundup of some of the terrible things that were said to or about her yesterday because she also joined twitter yesterday morning. sort of as her first show or a stand against cyber bullying and so at the same time while you had some tweets saying how wonderful her speech was and how honest, there were also people referencing oral sex wherever they had the opportunity or just making really low blows. >> and we're not just talking about -- famous people, too. >> yes, definitely. there was a really upsetting comment from a fox news contributor that stands out in my mind.
public figures still slamming her nearly two decades after this all happened. >> why do we continue to want to punish monica lewinsky, do you think? >> that's the million-dollar question. why are people so darn mean, carol? really, i don't understand. look, she obviously admits she was having a relationship with the president of the united states. we had the impeachment of president clinton. it was an incredible political time. people like to poke fun of her. she mentioned in the "vanity fair" article she wrote in june listening to the new york -- a "new york post" page 6 calling her the portly pepper pot. i mean, it's just cruel and mean and i think people aren't able to turn the page and accept her saying she's here, she wants to do something good with her life, why can't we embrace that? >> it's not like she doesn't know she did something wrong,
clearly she did but she was 2 and how long are you to be punished for something you did in your early 20s? >> exactly. >> do you think this is the turning point for monica lewinsky. is this her thing. she's been searching for something so she can put the past behind her? >> i hope so. i think it's an important cause and i think the fact that she still has this odd staying power that i don't think anyone would want, i think the fact that we can still tie her name this-to-this concept of being harassed on line and having your private life made so public it could be helpful to other people who this has happened to, something similar. but for other people it doesn't last as long anymore. i think that her story -- >> lots of people come to mind, like angelina jolie, she had an affair with a married man and she's widely admired right now. >> and look at her, too. i think it would be interesting to see what she does from here. no question the people in that
room listening to that speech were blown away by her and her message. if she keeps taking that to audiences, to schools, if she works with the tyler clemente foundation, talks about his death and how it impacted her and her mother who knows that she could have lost her own daughter to suicide i think it can be incredibly powering. a lot of people want to see the follow through but it sounds like she's committed to it. >> we'll see kelly wallace, jenny kuttner, thank you for being here, i appreciate it. setting up the perfect wedding day starts with her minor arthritis pain, and two pills. afternoon arrives and feeling good, but her knee pain returns. that's two more pills. the evening's event brings laughter, joy, and more pain. what's that, like six pills today? yeah. .i could take two aleve for all day relief. really? for my arthritis pain, i now choose aleve. 2 pills. all day strong. all day long. and now introducing, aleve pm for a better am.
costello. thank you so much for joining me. there's been an outpouring of support for one victim of the ebola crisis -- only he has no idea what's going on. it's for this little guy named bentley, the adorable cavalier king charles spaniel belongs to nina pham. she was the first dallas nurse to be diagnosed with ebola. look at some of these tweets. this one reads "jasper and cooper and i hope bentley and his mama are home soon." another one "if you could say a prayer for nina and bentley and do so daily, thank you." let's talk about this. i'm joined by dallas animal services manager jodi jones, she's been helping to take care of bentley. welcome. >> good morning. >> so i feel kind of silly talking about a dog but people really care about bentley. >> you know, i really appreciate the opportunity to share bentley's journey with the public because it's really been such a wonderful one. and we could not be more fortunate in braving new
territory like this to have such a wonderful animal going through it with us. you know, it just speaks to the human/animal bond, the amount of support we've got for bentley and ensuring that he gets the best care possible. >> so give me an example. how many tweets have you received? >> the numbers are overwhelming. you know, being directly responsible for coordinating the care with the agencies leaves me little time to stay on top of all of the social media. i'm blessed that we have a great team here in dallas that is working to provide as much information out to the public as we possibly can. >> so what's going on right now? how much longer does bentley have to remain quarantined? >> so the quarantine period is expected to be 21 days, just like for the individuals that were being monitored. and that will end up wrapping up around the first of november. and we'll do a final set of testing to make sure everything is clear for bentley and being
able to safely introduce him back into the public. >> so do you take blood tests? is bentley showing any signs or symptoms of sickness? >> no, as a matter of fact, bentley is just having a blast. we were very blessed and we were able to find a home-like environment to isolate anymore and the quarantine process plays out where we have specialized trained veterinarians in hazmat gear that care for bentley three times a day and bentley has responded amazingly well to the human contact and really not become distracted with the hazmat gear as some animals may. he actually gets a little play time and snuggle time during those visits. his ball is his favorite toy and the public, again, has been so wonderful with providing support for toys and different things to keep him occupied longer than his stay. >> so has nina pham -- i know
she's feeling a little better. have they communicated in any way? >> oh, absolutely. nina's family was very forthcoming and saying next to nina's care and recovery that bentley's care was next most important to them. and we've even been blessed enough where dr. mcmanus was able to actually speak to nina on the phone and give her some updates into the direct care of bentley. and then also, too, what we do is we take pictures daily and we send those over to the pham familily-to-make sure nina is getting daily updates so she can use bentley's spirits to help speed her recovery along. >> i hope so. jodi jones, thank you so much for being with us. i appreciate it. >> thank you. with just two weeks until the midterms, congress has officially entered unchartered territory. i'm not talking about negative ads, i'm talking about money. big, big money. try $100 million in the north
carolina senate race. that's some money. that's pitting democratic incumbent kay hagen against republican tom tillis. it's shaping up to be one of the most expensive races in senate history. north carolina is not alone, mind you. in kentucky, the battle between mitch mcconnell and alison lundgren grimes is also expected to top the $100 million mark. what does this mean for future and c candidates and voters like you and me. joining me to talk about this, doug heye, former chief of staff for john cantor and john avalon, editor of the daily beast. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> morning, a girl. >> good morning. doug, you're from north carolina, you woerked on three campaigns there. is the senate seat in your state worth $103 million? >> well, i think it absolutely is. it goes back to high spending not being anything new in north carolina politics. 30 years ago, 1984, jesse helms and jim hunt spent about $26
million on their race 30 years ago. so what we've now seen is that instead of jesse helms and jim hunt controlling their message, outside groups have really come in, over $100 million will be spent there. what that means practically on the ground is that campaigns aren't as in control of their message as they would be. the mail my father receives, the phone call he gets aren't necessarily from the campaign and we've seen a momentum shift and issue shift away from kay hagen and move into tom tillis' favor in the last couple weeks. republicans are more bullish about this race than they were, say, a month ago. >> but something that you said and the uva's larry saab doe agrees with you. campaign finance is out of anyone's control including candidates and voters. john, is that democracy? >> no, it's not democracy when you get a bunch of billionaires driving election cycles and consultants chasing them around with their tongues wagging trying to get a little bit of filthy luker in their pocket. you're talking about 100 million
in this state which has under 10 million people. that's ten bucks per citizen of north carolina and it's not going to benefit them. it is all -- it's predominantly attack ads. around $20 million of it is dark money, totally unaccountable making a mockery of justice kennedy's promise that citizens united would create more transparency and accountability. this is a mess. this is a mockery. and let's not pretend that it's just good old-fashioned free speech with a bunch of mudslinging. it is attempts to buy elections, usually in people out of state. >> doug, you have to admit, if you look at congress today, it's not working very well. i mean, there's a problem somewhere. is that a reason why? because actual voters, because they're driven away by negative attack ads, right. so only the extremes come out on either side and you get what you get in washington. >> we've been complaining about negative politics for centuries and i'd go back to 1984 jesse helms/jim hunt race described as
the nastiest senate race in american history. >> but the money is making it works. >> well, i think, look, we spend more money on potato chips and advertising coca-cola. senate races are very important. so a lot of money is going to go into that. i think like john, i'd like to see the money channelled differently but we've seen a real affect on the ground in north carolina and kentucky which you've mentioned where it's much more stranges you for republicans now than in previous weeks." >> so what's a voter to do, john avalon? >> what a voter is to do is to first of all feel disgust and then get some righteous indignation up and go out and vote as opposed to letting the extremes on either side disproportionately dominate the debate. i'm a big doug heye fan but he's spinning a bit here. he's spinning it a couple ways. due respect, jesse helms doesn't look so good in the eyes of history in some of his races and his background. second of all, the idea that we've always had these debates, that's true, but the money is unprecedented and sometimes people try to cloak themselves up in the legacy of adams and
jefferson and the first presidential election and say "see, it's always been messy so when i o.k. a negative attack ad i'm fulfilling the founding fathers' legacy." that's self-serving bs and i think doug knows. >> it i would say very quickly carol is what voters should do is what my father louisville, north carolina, is doing, go on the campaign's web sites, figure out where you are on the issues and vote for that candidate. >> it's sad but it's a rare voter that does that. that's great advice, doug. so, last thought, the next presidential election over a billion dollars easy? >> absolutely. we saw how much money barack obama raised. it was a staggering amount of money and ultimately made him successful four years ago and eight years ago. >> okay. we'll see how it goes. >> the tale of our democracy not who can buy the campaign. >> well, it is these days. john avalon, doug heye, thanks to both of you. i appreciate it.
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hardy. police say vann, the suspected, led them to six more bodies. all appear to have been recently dumped in abandoned homes in nearby gary, indiana. all the women were found within a five-mile area of the rust belt town. the mother one of the victims says the killer likely preyed on women who lived on the fringes. >> they're not forgotten because they're not nobodies. they're somebody. they're somebody's daughter, somebody's mother, somebody's siste sister. >> dr. lisa van susteren is a forensic psychiatrist. she joins us from washington. welcome, lee 15. >> good morning, carol. >> what do you make of this man in gary, indiana. >> well a minute ago you said what's going on in the mind of a serial killer. a better way to frame it is what isn't going on in the mind of a serial killer. what most people think of is doesn't he suffer for the victims? and, in fact, he doesn't. so one of the characteristic features is they don't have any
empathy. another characteristic feature is that within the brain we now know certain brakes are applied to our aggression and people like vann don't have those brakes. we also know that there are some genes that are active, we don't know what all of them are, but those are genes that are involved in reducing aggression and bringing a certain reduced sense of impulsivity in a person so these are all the things that aren't going on in the mind of a serial killer. >> well, police say he's cooperating. he's telling them where these bodies are. is that part of his -- >> psychopathology? >> yeah. >> indeed. i haven't spoken with him so it's hard for me to say he's doing this because of that. the police have said that he's eager to cut a deal with enforcement. i doubt that that's the motive. i believe it is part of his psychopathology that, frankly, people like this don't have a lot of remorse.
they don't feel the disapproval of society. they don't think to themselves "god, i've really done something bad" and try to hide it. and then there are other sort of psychological conditions which might predispose him especially to doing something like this. confessing. >> you mentioned it might be something in the genes. does that mean that this sort of condition can be somehow treated? >> well, yes. you're very spot on. first i have to say that people shouldn't get the idea that there's some kind of a crime gene. there isn't. there's a whole set of variable which which may tip a person in that direction. but you're right. we've studied the human genome, we can get real laser-like and see where there are abnormalities not inconceivably at some point we will know where to intervene genetically. of course, before that time, there are lots of other upstream things that we can do to prevent
events like that from happening. >> like? >> well, for example, anybody who has been arrested for sexual assault is not just somebody who is your average criminal. so putting him in front of a parole officer, checking in, did you do anything bad, are you doing this and all the rest? you got a job? that's not enough. people like this need the services and should have -- they must be told that they have to undergo some psychiatric, some psychological treatment, ongoing treatment. other upstream issues are that we need to intervene early on, certainly very aggressively ourselves, with children that we think are at risk because it's children who are victims of abuse who almost always are the critical -- that is the critical attribute that we see in the creation of serial killers, which is that they've had some violence or some physical,
emotional, sexual abuse themselves. >> lisa van susteren, thanks for your insight. we appreciate it. >> thank you. should jodi arias die by lethal injection or get life behind bars? jurors in arizona will decide as the sentencing retrail begins today. arias was found guilty of first degree murder in the brutal killing of her ex-boyfriend last year. that jury was unable to reach a unanimous needed for the death penalty. a 12-0 vote will also be needed in this retrial. if all jurors can't vote for death, they will then decide whether arias gets life without parole or the possibility of release after 25 years. the lone suspect in the disappearance of university of virginia student hannah graham faces charges in a decade old case. jesse matthew has been indicted for attempted murder, abduction and sexual assault for a crime that happened in 2005. the victim in that case was able to provide a description of matthew that would later link him to the case of that missing
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you this spot. >> she went for his mic about five times. >> you heard it here first, everybody. >> you are our guests. thank you. >> when you report the news, when you report the reality, the people in charge want to shut you down. >> reporter: so while pumpkin fest went on relatively undisturbed as students were busy beaning each other with police with cans and bottles not far away. >> i got whit a jack daniels bottle. >> reporter: the organizer and the public access host lobbed verbal bombshells. >> you have no right to self-promote here. >> i'm not self-promoting anything. >> reporter: on monday, ruth sterling doubled down, calling goodell a self-promoting punk who was metaphorically yelling fire in a crowded theater, endangering festival go er. meanwhile, goodell told us he's been contacted by lawyers who said she was guilty of battery, though he has no plans to sue. do you have anything you want to
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>> hello, everyone, i'm john berman. >> i'm michaela pereira. good to have you with us. a possible serial kill we are a trail that could cover multiple states and decades. police are on that trail right now. plus, a huge break in a missing persons case that has captivated the nation. could it lead to more break miss more cases? >> and an athlete who once inspired people across the globe is now a convicted killer. but he will serve just five years in prison at the most and maybe as little as ten months. so is that justice? we're following all the latest developments in these big stories making news at this >>ur.