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>> hello, everyone, i'm john berman. >> i'm michaela pereira. good to have you with us. a possible serial kill we are a trail that could cover multiple states and decades. police are on that trail right now. plus, a huge break in a missing persons case that has captivated the nation. could it lead to more break miss more cases? >> and an athlete who once inspired people across the globe is now a convicted killer. but he will serve just five years in prison at the most and maybe as little as ten months. so is that justice? we're following all the latest developments in these big stories making news at this
hour. so we'll begin with breaking news in the darren vann case, the suspect in the murder of 1-year-old afrikka hardy in a -- 19-year-old afrikka hardy in a motel room. police savan started talking and what he said shocked them. they found himselves chasing victims. >> they say vann led them to the bodies of six more women in and around gary, indiana, and opened the door to an even bigger investigation. we're joined by our poppy par low -- harlow. poppy is riding around with police on the hunt and the big question is at this stage, poppy, what are they looking for? >> well, john and michaela, they're looking for possibly other bodies. this is incredibly disturbing. we now have seven dead murdered women. six of them found in these abandoned homes around gary, indiana, and police want to know are there more. we know that darren vann, the 4
-year-o 3-year-old suspect in the murder of afrikka hardy led police to the other women's bodies. he has not told police there are any more however clearly there have been some indications that there may be because police are out here checking. this is an area -- all of this city, really, off huge problem with abandoned homes and the bodies were found in abandoned homes so we've been going for the last half hour with them door to door through these abandoned homes. they have not found anything yet. the cadaver dogs have just arrived to help them. they're using a grid pattern, about 20 different police officers scouring different parts of the city. i just talked to some residents around here, guys, who said to me "we call this scary gary." and the girl told me, the 19-year-old, she doesn't go out past 8:00 at night because largely of all of these abandoned homes that are clearly a danger to the city. so they're looking for more, but they have not found anyone else at this point. >> poppy, we know after they found the body of africa hardy
van confessed to these other killings, led them to these other bodies. but that police believe there could be deaths going back decades. help us understand that. is that coming from him or are there other open cases they're concerned about? >> yeah, they do. that's a good question, michaela. at this point van has not directly confessed to the other murders, however he's led police to all six bodies. clearly indicating some involvement in their disappearance. we don't know why he's cooperating with police. they said it's completely unclear why he's giving them so much information. the police chief of gary told me in an interview that his mental state is "normal." you're right, his arrest record goes back to 1993. he was arrested again in 2009 for aggravated rain. he served five years in jail. we also know that in 2004 he served 90 days in jail for grabbing a woman, holding her and threatening to burn her with
gasoline. that is huge with a hugely troubled past. and the question is why was he out on the street? and how could he have committed potentially seven or more murders? now, the police told me that he was monitored as recently as september by the local sheriff's department because he is a registered sex offender but it begs the question -- what is this monitoring entailing if this could happen? >> what did the monitoring entail, when did the crimes happen? poppy harlow, riding around with police right now looking for more bodies possibly. our thanks to you. let's talk about the point poppy brought up. mel robbins is our legal analyst. mel, you look at this man's past, a convicted sex offender, convicted of aggravated rape in 2009 and he served five years for that. that doesn't seem like a long sentence. this seems like a guy you would keep on a very short leash. >> oh, a very short leash, indeed, john and michaela. this is such a gruesome story.
i dent even know where to begin. but let's start with that case in texas. so in 2007 he hired a prostitute and when she arrived he asked her if she was a police officer and as soon as she said no he immediately started the assault, the strangulation, the rain, and she was one of perhaps only the lucky ones who had an encounter with him because she left. she cooperated with the police guys, told them the whole story, he was arrested in 2009, pled guilty, sentenced to five years, did the entire time and when he was released from a jail in austin, texas, he was deemed by the state of texas as "a low risk." he did register when he moved back to indiana, but obviously since they thought he was a low risk they weren't doing any kind of tracking, they were only doing random check ins and he was allowed to travel at will.
and what we know now is that there are at least seven victims that he has confessed to. they have recovered five -- they've identified five of these women. and one of the things i think it's important to note, john and michaela, is that there's only one of the five women that they've identified that was reported as a missing person. >> that's deeply troubling to me, i have to say. >> yes. and so he probably was preying on women that might be in danger or might be in the fringe and there does appear according to cbs in chicago, they're reporting there was a pattern to the way in which he was killing these women. >> therefor h there were seven women that still ended up dead. i want to pivot to a story we've been watching on cnn for some time, the results of the sentence we heard today, turning
to south africa now if you will mel to talk about the sentence that oscar pistorius, so called blade runner, received. five years. by american standards that seems like an awfully light sentence. i understand they have a different legal system in south africa, their law works differently. i'm curious what your reaction is to the sentence. >> frankly, mckael la, i was floored for a number of reasons. one this s this judge. she has a history of flowing the book at defendants to that commit acts against violence against women so i was expecting a decade in prison. >> i think even more troubling is that the experts are saying based on their time served good behavior and other factors he's probably only going to serve ten months behind bars so i realize she wanted to give a balanced sentence, but this one is a balanced sentence that weighs in
favor of pistorius and i felt that it was way too lenient and, frankly, i was surprised based on some of her comments during the -- during her findings when she spent a day recounting that he was a terrible witness, that he was evasive. and that this was reckless. >> mel robbins, thanks to you. certainly the large majority of people commenting online are shocked that it was so low. i have stopped trying to understand the south african legal system. it's very, very different, clearly. >> absolutely. good to have you, mel. meanwhile, we want to talk about a huge medical breakthrough. imagine this, a paralyzed man walks again after implanting cells from his own body into the injured area. we'll speak to the leader of the research team ahead. quite a break through. >> and then people in the room for this speech for ski ski just said wow. wow. amazing words to hear from her as she now says she's determined despite cyber bullying.
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under 30 summit in philadelphia, lewinsky says she knows what it's like to be shamed online and she wants to help other victims of what she calls the shame game. she wants to help them survive. i think people were just wowed by the speech in general. let's listen to her tell the story. >> 16 years ago fresh out of college, a 22-year-old intern in the white house and, more than averagely romantic, i fell in love with my boss. in a 22-year-old sort of way. it happens. but my boss was the president of the united states. that probably happens less often. i couldn't imagine ever showing my face in public again. i cringed, i yelled, i sobbed.
and the mantra continued "i just want to die." when i ask myself how best to describe how the last 16 years has felt, i always come back to that word -- shame. my own personal shame. shame that befell my family and shame that befell my country. our country. i was patient zero, the first person to have their reputation completely destroyed worldwide via the internet. >> i think what's truly remarkable, john, here is that -- how far she's come given what went on and given the words she just spoke "i wanted to die, i wanted to die." you look at her standing there, polished, poised, eloquent. what a long way that woman has come. >> joining us to talk about, this our digital correspondent
kelly waltz and margaret hoover. what struck me is this sound like an intelligent person who's had 16 years to think about what she wants to say when she's given the stage and then this was the speech. it was really interesting. >> and it was a perfect speech. i mean, i had speech writers even commenting that the highs and the lows, the way it was written it was crafted so beautifully, delivered really flawlessly. and i think she really is truly a character of real courage. courage is somebody who can face difficulty and pain and it's this quality of spirit and mind and you see that in her. she almost died but for the love of her family and friends, she cites tyler clemente's story, the freshman from rutgers university who threw himself from the gw bridge after being cyber harassed by some friends because he was gay. this is a really authentic story of a woman who identified with somebody because frankly she was the very first person to endure anything like that and on a global scale.
to me it's quite extraordinary and i really hope that we in the media and everyone can give her a place and a platform. >> you hope that the haters, the critic cans pull all of that aside and -- we all -- when we played that sound of her saying that she simply wanted to die, more than once, all of us were taken aback. you hear that from somebody's lips, kelly, and that's so power. so powerful and upsetting. the haters are going to be out there. they're already out there on twitter and the critics are going to be there but the word "brave" kept coming to my mind. she doesn't have to do this. she does not have to do this. she can go -- i mean obviously she has tried to get jobs and it's hard to get hired. "i'm monica lewinsky" and people say "you have a history, we can't hire you." but she doesn't have to do this. that to me was so powerful. you sense this is an authentic feeling that i was there, i survived the shame game, she says, and how about i commit my
life to trying to prevent this, this climate of hate that we live in. >> it's cathartic. >> it can really lead to damaging things for people and death in ways, too. >> as consumers, we don't have to say we approve or disapprove of what happened 16 years ago or in the '90s. that's a separate thing. the issue now is what she has done since then and what she's choosing to do now. it's interesting, my producers will hate me for this, but we were talking in our meeting and they said "let's talk about the political angle of this." i'm not sure we have to talk about the political angle here. >> that's the key insight is that we can talk about monica lewinsky's new war on cyber bullying in and of itself and not have to reference back what happened in the begin organize what gave her that platform. she's taking the platform, she's bold enough to get into the arena, to decade herself to a cause that is desperately needed. there are parents across the country cheering her on because they need her voice and guidance desperately. so good for her. let's allow her to remake herself and rebuild herself because she's dedicating herself to a greater good that we need.
>> isn't america about redemption? >> it is. we love redemption, right? but we haven't really as a country embraced her story in that way. >> i sure hope we start. >> i think the follow through will be key. what does she do? does she work with the tyler clemente foundation. >> you can embrace her message witho without embracing her story or politics. >> in this country people make horrible mistakes and we've forgiven them. that doesn't mean what they did was okay but we allow them to move on. >> she was not the only person who did anything wrong, either so let's not rehash it at all. >> and let her have her voice and platform. >> she couldn't be impeached. he was. there was judgment all the way around. >> thank you so much kelly, margaret. thanks so much for being here at this hour. ahead for us, the cdc taking new measures to protect health care workers against ebola. but will this now be enough to
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we have breaking news out of spain and it is good news. theresa ramos, the spanish nurse's assistant who caught ebola is now clear of the virus. that is the official word now from the doctors at the madrid hospital where she's been treated. the all-clear comes after a second test now, all clear. >> great news to be able to report. also at this hour, the u.s. is taking a different approach when it comes to dealing with ebola. the cdc has released new
guidelines and putting them into place for health care workers, those very people who are so vulnerable to the disease. >> the guidelines we're releasing today are updated. they provide an increased margin of safety. they provide a consensus on better protecting health care workers because even a single health care worker infection is unacceptable. >> the measures call for repeated training and practice. it also requires protective gear to cover workers from head to toe with no skin exposed. we know that's been an issue. also for monitors. sort of a buddy system to watch them put on the gear and take it off. a short time ago, the national nurse's union issued a statement welcoming these changes. but added "nevertheless, the optimal standards should be in place tomorrow and regrettably they will not be." lawrences s gs go stin is a prr
of global health. great to have you with us, professor. i'm curious if you'd had a chance too dig through these new guidelines and if in your estimation you believe they go far enough. >> i think they go far enough. they ought to have been done sooner, i think i agree with the nurse's union about that. and the fact that we've had to young brave nurses in the united states infected is completely unacceptable. but this is the gold standard. rigorous training, full-body protection with no skin exposed and also really having somebody monitor you. and actually it takes more than an hour to take your gown off because you have to make sure that you don't cross contaminate yourself. that's a very hard thing. i think we've learned a big lesson. this is not a staph infection,
this is ebola. >> no one said it's going to be easy, but easy isn't the issue here, safe is. professor, the cdc as far as i know doesn't have a police force. they have no enforcement mechanism here so these new guidelines are -- may be great but they're just guidelines. hospitals in every state, in every city in the country need to implement this. how confident are you that they will? >> i think you've made an important point. most people think cdc is a regulatory agency. they're not. they can enforce the guidelines, they just have moral and public health force so will hospitals abide by them? this time i think they will because they've had a rude awakening with the two nurses but it does underpin something really important which is that
although we have an advanced health system, it's variable. you can see there's some hospitals that won't abide by the highest standards of care so we have to figure out how we can create incentives for hospitals to have uniform quality control so that any patient anywhere in the country goes to the hospital and the doctor or nurse treating them is safe and the patient is safe. >> professor, to that point, you talk about the variables. i'm curious. we got these guidelines. and, again, not an enforcement agency, these are guidelines set out by the cdc. i'm wondering how far they went in terms of talking about everybody within the health care system that would come in contact with this virus. ambulance workers, people who do waist removal. i was looking for guidance on how that west removal could be handled. do you get a sense they're going to come out with guidance 2.0
with some of those further details drilling down a bit more? but you're so right. we've got hazardous waste. we don't have state-of-the-art in many places to be able to safely remove it in the dallas case they claim they couldn't decontaminate the apartment because they didn't get a license to move the hazardous waste. we have to prethink these before our t crisis. >> professor gosti nirks, thanks for being with us. appreciate. >> it police say two men accused of attacking women, one in indiana, the other in virginia, they believe they've've been
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the man charged with abducting university of virginia student hannah graham is now charged in another woman's abduction. this all comes as a lab tries to determine if a skull and bones found in a creek bed are, indeed, the remains of hannah graham. >> a grand jury indicted jesse matthew on charges of sexually assaulting, abducting, and attempting to murder a 26-year-old college student nine
years ago. the woman in that case escaped and her description created a suspect. joining us is jean casarez, we're also joined by forensic psychologist jeff gardere. that's a big chunk of time, nine years, between these two cases. and there's also a third. >> that's right. nine years. it's so significant, though, because when you look at the 2005 case -- and we've known about this case, a sexual assault case. well, guess what? that indictment returned yesterday now it is an attempted capital murder case. that's different right there because what prosecutors are saying was this was not someone that wanted to sexual assault someone, this is someone who intended and with premeditation tried to kill somebody that is significant. the second thing that's
significant is there was dna that was able to be gotten from that living victim and that's significant, too. there's a living victim here. that dna has been unknown for nine years because there's been no one in the database to match it up with. in 2010 they were able to get dna from morgan harrington. they couldn't have gotten it from the skeletal remains but they got it from an article of clothing or something else associated with her. that matched the unknown dna from the 2005 sexual assault case but still it was unknown dna they didn't know who it was. now here in charlottesville because of the hannah graham case -- and they searched that car and the apartment of jesse matthew, we have not been told they got his dna but how easy is it to get dna from a cup or straw and that could have been the missing link. >> now we know thrts working to identify those skeletal remains. you can hang tight. we want to turn to jeff gardere
who's here in studio with us. we look at this case where jean is and we look at the alleged indiana serial killer and it's striking to me that these are two men who targeted young women, targeted women, we don't know the ages in the serial killer in indiana, if it is a serial killer. these are men who targeted women and flew under the radar for a very long time. this is shocking to us that they could operate under the radar. >> that happens with people we categorize as serial killers. unlike spree killers who kill one person after another in a short period of time, these are individuals who kill every few years or every few months, sometimes 10, 15 years may go by before they kill again. so this fits the profile. we tend to think of them as being very intelligent, but they get away with these murders for the most part because they're choosing people who are indigent, people who are drug
abusers, prostitutes. in this case we see a college student perhaps being involved in this and this is a bit of an aberration. >> the guy in indiana, obviously, was in and out of the justice system for a long time jesse matthew, jr., not so much and now charged or allegedly connected. to go on with your regular life in between these alleged violent acts is troubling. >> well, these are people who don't have a conscious. we see farce the biological of this there's something called the amygdala, which is the emotion center of the brain and quite often it's not connected to the ventral medial prefrontal cortex that processes this so at times they have flat affect, they don't have the feeling of guilt. they can manage rage but they don't understand what it's like to live in someone else's shoes so they don't care about the victims and therefore they can go on with their lives day to day as if nothing happened.
>> chilling to say the least. jeff gardere and jean casarez, thank you for joining us. this is a story cnn will continue to follow. we'll bring you updates when we can get them. >> ahead at this hour, is the president a pariah? and if democrats are working so hard to create distance from him, why does he keep dragging them back so close? >> imagine this. after being told he would never walk again on his own, a british man is up and walking with the aid of a brace. the treatment we'll tell you about and how potentially it's being seen as the cure for paralysis. we'll discuss. [ female announcer ] you change your style.
>> the president did make a rare appearance sunday night in maryland, supporting lieutenant governor anthony brown who is running for governor. turns out some people at the rally ended up kind of running from the president. here to explain what may be going on or at least give an opinion about what he thinks is going, dana milbank, op-ed columnist in from the "washington post" whose latest piece is entitled "obama, the pariah president." dana, i don't think anybody would call you a conservative pundit but omg, that's harsh even by your standards. >> i guess so. i'm really talking about from the point of view of where the democrats are and they've -- not only have they asked him not to show up in their districts, a lot of these vulnerable democrats running for the senate and for the house, they're actually actively distancing themselves from him in ads and you've got the democratic senate candidate in kentucky refusing to say whether or not she even voted for the guy. so you almost felt bad there. i was there in prince georges
county, it's a very supportive area for obama. i was there in maryland sunday night and to see them walking out before he finished his speech, he was sort of like, you know in the seventh inning when your team is down by five runs and you just want to get a jump on the traffic and it just -- it just feet like that sort of encapsulate what is this year had been for president obama. >> the president says he understands this. he says he gets politics, he knows candidates may have to run away from him to a certain extent but if he knows that, why does he say things like this? let's listen to what he told al sharpton. >> the bottom line is these are folks who volt with me, they have supported any agenda in congress. >> so once again there you have the line out of the president's mouth that's almost certainly going to end up at some point in a republican ad. >> it can be a republican ad without adding anything to it. it's very similar to what he
said a couple weeks bag when he said my policies are on the ballot. that's exactly what these democrats don't want to hear the dynamic here is this isn't a national election. if the president were on the ballot, if this were a 50-state election democrats would be in a different position. these are red states where these people are running for the most part, they're republican states so it makes sense they would want to distance themselves what doesn't make sense is why the president is grabbing them by the ankles and saying "no, no, these guys are actually with me." one thing that's interesting, in georgia you've got michelle nun who embraced obama in a sense, put the photo that has been used against her of president obama and her in an ad and said, yeah, i've worked with this president and the presidents before him, too. >> i keep hearing that song "after the love is gone." we'll have you back and talk
about that at another time, dana mill bank. >> i hope so or they'll stop paying me. >> god to have you with us today. we have some big political news coming up on cnn tonight. the debate the sequel. jake tapper moderating the debate of the florida governor's race between rick scott and charlie crist. there will be many jokes made leading up to that debate but it's a very serious, serious matter. it will be moderated again by the icy cool jake tapper here at 7:00 on cnn. >> also it's going to be a long road but after receiving a new form of treatment a british man walks again. we'll speak with the doctor behind this amazing break through.
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is. we have a startling headline that could help millions of people suffering from paralysis. in europe, a firefighter recovering frrecove paralyzed from the chest down is recovering and learning to walk. doctors implanted nasal cells from the patient's own body and a complete spinal paralysis has been reversed. >> it was a collaboration of british scientists and polish surgeons. what an opportunity for us, the man who led the research team in the uk, jeffrey raceman.
what a pleasure to have you here. are we closer to a cure for paralysis today? we say this is one of the greatest challenges in medical science. are we close to a break through? >> yes, i think we are. i think we have opened the door to a future treatment. >> opened the door for how many? does this now work for anybody and how soon will people be able to get it? there are lots of people out there perhaps watching this saying this guy's cured paralysis, will it work for me? >> okay, well, let's say this is the end point of a large number of laboratory researches in which the procedure has worked in rats. this is the first time that a neurosurgeon in poland has applied it, the exact procedure, to a patient, a human patient. it so's the very first. it's news because it's the first. because it's the first, there is
only one. until we repeat this in a number more patients, it's just that, it's one patient. so all we can do -- yes, go ahead. >> i want to hear. because i think many people are so hopeful. we know how many people around the world are waiting for such a miracle, if you will. i think the next question, if you can help us non-scientists and non-medical professionals, explain it to us how it works. >> the problem with spinal injury is that nerve fibers are severed by the injury so that impulses to carry movement, the desire for movement down from the brain to the body are cut off. impulse is carrying sensation to the brain are cut off. so from the level of the injury,
in this case the level of the chest, the waist, derek, our patient, had no movement, voluntary movement, and no sensation. so he was in a wheelchair. now, there is only so -- my idea, which i followed for many, many years, is that actually nervous system is capable of repairing itself. actually the cut nerve fibers are capable of growing but they lack a pathway to cr s cross. the cars still know where they want to go but there is no roadway for them to go across. so the question -- thinking that way, the question is, what could we use to make a bridge? now, we don't know how the bridge would work, we don't understand the basis of this. so our idea was, is there
somewhere else where they can relay the road. the only place we know is the o olfactory system, the sense of smell. so the underlying thing is can we get something out of on area where repair works and transfer it into an area where repair doesn't work? will it then cause a repair? that's the basic -- >> we congratulate you on your work and we thank you for coming on. we wish you the best of luck in repeating this work in the future because it does hold out great hope for so many people around the world. >> so many people. really remarkable. ahead for us at this hour, what does the singer lorde have to do with the world series? if you listen to the radio. >> reporter: have watched a baseball game, you've heard it about 10 billion times. it's all about her song "royals." there's a baseball team with the name named. all of it banned in san francisco. ah!
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we have breaking news on the ebola front. an announcement from the department of homeland security that any travelers coming from the three nations in west africa, liberia, sierra leone or guinea, known as the hot spots for ebola, any travelers coming to the united states from one of those countries will now be
required to come through one of the five airports in the united states that has advanced screening. >> we have them listed for you right now -- jfk, chicago's o'hare, dulles in washington, newark in new jersey and hartsfield-jackson in atlanta. there were calls for banning flights outright. but they've decided this is the way the states are going to go now. you have to fly in from west africa to one of those international airports. >> not a ban but a restriction. rene marsh, our aviation correspondent, is looking into this right now. we'll have more in a few minutes. ♪ we'll never be royals >> unless you live under a rock, you've probably heard that on the radio playing everywhere, everywhere except for the city by the bay or at my house. radio stations have banned this song during the world series. why? because lorde says the song was
in part inspired by george brett. >> who is george brett? perhaps one of the greatest third basemen of all time. he threw out the first pitch for the kansas city royals. he was on the only royals team to ever win a world series, which was in 1985, 29 years ago which leads us to tonight, game one of the world series. the kansas city royals are playing another team in game one of the world series. >> who? who, andy? >> andy, facts are your business. it is a fact that everyone is rooting for the royals tonight, correct? >> no, that is not a fact. >> reporter: everyone outside of san francisco. if you're in the from there -- from california like michaela. 29 years is how long these fans in kansas city have waited to get back to the postseason. it was the longest playoff drought for my of the four
professional sports. they have just been amazing so far. they've won eight straight games to start the postseason. a lot of those games in extra innings. such excitement here in the city of kansas city. and we say 29 years is how long they've been waiting. you can tell how xiexcited they are about this game just by ticket prices. just to stand, it's going to cost you around 500 bucks. that's incredible, incredible stuff right there. >> ouch, ouch, ouch. you were talking to us earlier on "new day" about the fact that it's an even year. so that means the giants must be in the world series. if it's an even year, they're also likely going to win, right? i have to show giants love here. >> i like the dodgers, the giants, the blue jays -- >> reporter: you're from california. >> take a stand. >> i have a stand. but we'll talk about that after. we could be talking dynasty,
don't you think? >> reporter: we certainly could. the giants fans, i'm sure, are excited to be here. not as excited as the royals fans. they're getting used to this in even years. in 2010 and 2012 they won the world soares. now they're back again this year. they have such clutch players. good pitching at the exact right time. hunter pence, buster posey, the kung fu panda at third base. they don't have the superstar that's going to hit the 35 home runs and get 100 rbis. but whenever they need the hit or eight innings of shutout ball, they get it. >> can't wait. >> pretty incredible, as you say. royals in five, andy, i know you think that is correct. thank you for being with us from kansas city. >> sorry. got a little something stuck in my throat. before we go, just a reminder
tonight, i am hosting "roots" with our friend anderson cooper. you can set your dvr. there are more letters for you. check out our website for more. that's it for us. i'm michaela pereira. >> i'm john berman. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. seven women found dead so far in indiana, but that is only since friday. now we're learning the suspect has a criminal record dating back two decades in at least two other states. and also ahead, remember the man arrested in last month's disappearance of the uva student and then linked to a 2009 death at virginia tech? now jesse matthew has been indicted for sexual assault and attempted murder in a similar case from back in '05. and later this hour, she says cyberbullying