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father and the hero sergeant at arms and who reportedly gunned down the shooter. stopping him cold and whether there will be more attacks like this. another white house fence-jumper, this time the man was tackled within moments by secret service dogs and the entire incident was caught on video and police and protesters clash in ferguson, missouri overnight. protesters demanding justice for michael brown and the arrest of officer darren wilson. a special edition of "new day" starts right now. good morning, we're coming to you live from ottawa, canada, just hours ago it was a scene of utter chaos. following a shooting, the prime minister here flatly says it was carried out by terrorists, alisyn. >> great to have you there for us this morning. i'm alisyn camerota in new york. we want to welcome our viewers across the country and around the world. the attacks raising questions
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and fears about home-grown terrorists, not only in canada burgs of course, chris, here in the united states as well. >> the two very much connected. not just by a border, but by a source of concern here with these types of shooting. the confusion here, cannot be exaggerated. people didn't know what was going on. they didn't know how many shooters. but here's what we're figured out. officials say it was one shooter. and that shooter is now dead. the lockdown here is basically over. the streets behind russ still sealed off around the national war memorial. but the man in the crosshairs is the shooter. his name, for what it's worth, michael zehaf-bibeau, he was raised in canada, a troubled and criminal past. he converted to islam, didn't understand it and had become radicalized. he tried going to the middle east, but had his passport revoked. that's a big point. his passport had been pulled, how closely was he being
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monitored? what was his ultimate plan? >> we will not be intimidated, canada will never be intimidated. >> prime minister stephen harper promising justice after what he calls a terrorist act on canada's capitol. 9:52 a.m. >> guys, there's a shooter on the loose. >> shoots ring out at the national war memorial in ottawa. >> out of the way! >> i heard a shot and just -- pow. >> the shooter, 32-year-old michael zehaf-bibeau, a muslim convert with a troubled past and was planning to fight overseas. >> a guy came from the side and came out with a rifle and shot at the man. and then the guy went falling down. >> the suspect fatally shooting canadian corporal nathan cirillo, one of two soldiers standing guard.
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then, around 10:00 a.m., the shooter hijacked this car and continued his rampage just a few hundred yards away. entering through doors meant for officials, he starts firing inside canada's parliament building. >> i was literally taking off my coat, going into the caucus room and i hear this boom boom boom. >> no, down, down. >> police scrambling to protect canada's top officials, rushing them outside to safety. some lawmakers in the building huddled in the caucus room, piling chairs against the door to barricade themselves in. as police exchange a barrage of bullets with the shooter. >> we sort of flanking down the hallway and it looked like the guy either popped out or they saw him. they fired a lot. a tremendous amount of bullets fired. >> amid the chaos, parliament sergeant at arms kevin vickers fires the fatal shot, but not before three others are injured.
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vickers, killing the suspect near the parliamentary library, fellow officers calling him a hero. >> when you hear those gunshots and know that your brother was in the middle of all of that, it was a very surreal experience. and horror. >> this is the second time this week canada waking up to headlines of terror. on monday, canadian authorities say a radicalized islamist hit and killed a canadian soldier with his car. >> i had a chance to talk with prime minister harper. >> president obama says we have to remain vigilant. >> when it comes to dealing with terrorist activity, that canada and the united states has to be entirely in sync, not only is canada one of our closest allies in the world, but they're our neighbors and our friends. >> so today it's all about what we know about how this was able to happen. what happened here in canada on monday, and yesterday, were they coordinated? probably not. but were they connected?
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maybe. so that's beginning with what we understand about the man who was killed yesterday. let's bring this deb feyerick. this man is not a major asset, not some glorious jihadi, as i was told by the fbi last night, he's a loser with a gun. >> they're trying to determine what his network was, did he speak to anybody directly. was he self-radicalized. what was his digital footprint? isis recently put out a statement saying if you don't have an ied, if you don't have a bomb, use a car in a hit-and-run. push somebody off a building. get your hands on a gun. all of this is under surveillance, they're looking at his travel. they determined he went to the united states four times. all u.s. law enforcement is running his name through a database. it's not just the name you mentioned, but also, michael
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joseph hall. and he recently changed his name to abdullah. he turned 32 years last week. his mother works with the immigration office, in the federal government. he had a relatively interesting upbringing. >> i know that you know the mother was very, very caring and a very involved parent. actually both parents seemed to have been. you know the boy seemed to have had a very good upbringing. >> you know, that is one of the things they're looking at, why does somebody who seems so normal, all of a sudden go off the deep end? there are reports at his mosque, his behavior was very disturbing, they wanted him out. all of that sunday investigation. what triggered this sort of flip to cause him to do what he did? and it began right here behind us at the national war memorial. >> you have the combination of a
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past of addiction, criminal behavior, conversion to islam. the experts will tell thaw checks 10 out of 10 on the volatility score of one of these people. there's a confused picture they're trying to figure out. seems disturbed, went awry. why was he flagged? why did he have his passport pulled? why was he one of the people being monitored? >> right now canada is monitoring at least 90 people that got those people on radar. the man on monday who used his car as a weapon to kill a shoulder, he was flagged. this man also was flagged his passport confiscated. this both cases they showed an intention to go overseas, travel and fight jihad. when that effort was thwarted. now they'll look into if that caused them to act out here. they could not detain either of these men, because they will not committed a crime here on canadian soil, but they were watching. >> deb, thank you very much. i know you'll keep digging. so now we want to get perspective of two different
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things. one, the actual event. we're going to have josh wingrove, had some sound from him, he's a reporter from the "globe and mail" the headline this morning is "attacked." he was inside, he heard and understood what was going on. that was his footage that you just saw. and we have michel juneau katano, senior intelligence officer for the canadian secret service, you have to figure out if this is a new normal, not in frequency, but in the nature and character of what tough look out for and already being monitored. thank god you're safe and you're here. what was it like inside that building when this started? >> it was certainly chaos at the beginning, there was some two rounds of gunfire, if you wul, the first one sounded different than the second. we presume that's because it included the guys shot. not just guards.
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>> you heard it sounded like a boom, a cavern. >> a book shelf fell, actually. >> but he did have a long single-shot rifle and then the barrage of small-arms fire you believe was the retaliation. >> you see it picked up in the video right there. so that was coming around. this is in the grand entranceway of parliament. called the hall of honors, we had our memorial for afghan soldiers, our soldiers who died in afghanistan. our guards going down the hall of honor to pursue this guy. it was more of a hunt than a chase. they were going slow. there's a calm between the two rounds of shooting. and -- >> a big place, right? >> it is a big place and it's got nooks and crannies and hallways and stairways and he could have gone anywhere. >> how many hours were you locked down? >> from about 10 a.m. until 11 p.m. they didn't give us any information, we were left connecting the dots. as they gathered us, we were all
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over the building. as they gathered us, they swept us into one main room. people coming up to me and saying, i wasn't i.d.ed, i wasn't pat down. they didn't have our bags searched, is there an accomplice in our midst? >> they've got a lot of accounts of multiple shooters we had to deal with. >> now we're talking about one shooter. it's funny, when you're in lockdown, it was a bit of an echo chamber. we didn't know there were people outside who knew more than we saw. all we know is what we saw, a horrible day and a death of a canadian soldier and a heartbreaking day here in ottawa. >> obviously he was there for ceremonial purposes, the memorial right behind us and a young man to be taken out so senselessly is horrible. am i right in thinking that it was your recollection that you saw someone slumped over at some point there? that was you? tell us about that. >> at the end of the second round, there must have been two dozen shots or so. it was a lot and nearly all of them if not all are from guards,
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it wasn't a sort of exchange fire situation as i could tell. at the end of that. they were shooting some towards right in front of us, the library of parliament and a body sort of slumped over there. at the time we presume it was the shooter. now we know he seems to be the only one that died in the parliament itself. so we saw him slumped over. appeared to check on his pulse or chick him quickly and their next priority was to start clearing the area and we got yanked out of there. it was stay away from windows, they were breaking down doors, they didn't know if they had someone else on their hands. >> josh, you weigh in as you think is appropriate as we talk about the intelligence aspect of this. michel, thank you for joining us, especially so early in the morning. you have many different layers of analysis to do. it seems from a security perspective, four homicides in the last year here in ottawa. it's the nation's capital. this is not a high-crime area,
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it's not like washington, d.c. by any stretch of the imagination. security there is soft. inside, they seemed caught flat-footed in terms of coordination. do you believe that this is going to be a real wake-up call for what you have to be ready for, even in ottawa? >> i think canada lost its innocence here to a certain extent. we have been prepared for after 9/11, as a matter of fact, statistics speak by themselves, the rcmp and sesus have been capable and stop any plot and we have no attack at all in canada and yet we've convicted over 25 people and the vast majority of them are not going to be spending their life inside. but this is also the sad reality of asis. isis is sending its jihadis, international jihad to attack with all the means they have. a month ago you will recall
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there was a video threat that was sent worldwide, and they were saying take a rock and bash their head, take your knife and stab them. take your car and run them over. so it's basically sending the signal. >> to anyone who is stupid enough to respond to it. >> go for it with whatever you have. >>. and this man was like the poster child of that. drug past, it shows his mental instability. a convert, but somewhat rejected by the mosque and he had some kind of contact with this guy, yus yus yusefzai in vancouver. you knew enough to pull the guy's passport, but not enough to keep an eye on him here. getting a long gun is easy wherever you are, even canada. but how do you deal with that disconnect? why did they pull his passport? >> the challenge is that for any law enforcement authority, it's one thing to know that a guy is a bad guy. it's another thing to prove in court that the guy is something,
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and that's what we have to sort of collect. currently the government has already announced that they will be looking at the law, the criminal law and the anti-terrorist law in order to be capable to see if there's some adjustment that can be made to give more tools and ammunitions to the law law enforcement. >> the minister, the justice minister, peter mckay, told us minutes before the shooting began. he was the last one we interviewed. that's why he was in the building. one of the main reasons we were all there. that's the story i was sitting down to write. they were going to look for expanded powers, ways to track these guys if they didn't have enough grounds to lay a charge and put them behind bars and minutes later is when the shooting began. >> it's terrible that it happened. the only way to look at it is it could have been worse. this man was following a certain understanding of what would bring him glory and we're going to talk about that later in the show. josh wingrove and michel
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juneau-katsuya, that's something we're going to be talking about here, what was done at this memorial. it has some meaning within jihad. there are a lot of lawyers that have to be understood. it starts with the understanding that this man was no glorious warrior, he was as the fbi told me, alisyn, a loser with a gun. >> great to have you on the ground there getting all sorts of information for us, we'll check back in in a minute. more breaking news overnight to tell you about. with the u.s. already on high alert after the ottawa shooting, there was another security breach at the white house. this is new video to show you, it shows a man just after he jumped over the white house fence. and he's trying to fight off the secret service dogs who this time were released and took him down. this is the second such incident in just more than a month. but this time, the jumper did not make it nearly as far. cnn's michelle kosinski is live for us at the white house. what happened? >> this happened after 7:00 last night. yes, another fence-jumper. the difference this time, though, was the takedown. this time, secret service seemed
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to have no hesitation in using the dogs. you see it in that video, this 23-year-old fence-jumper from maryland, victor assania seems to be no match for the dogs, you see the dogs appear, he kicks at one. he seems to wrestle with another one. but the dogs get him down to the ground and then moments later, you can see the secret service officers right there. they say the man was unarmed, he was taken to the hospital and the dogs were taken veterinarians, too, so they could be checked out and treated after this. it's unclear what his motives were, but at this point at least it doesn't seem like it's related to a terrorist threat. relative of his told reporters that he had been having mental problems lately. and he was arrested two months ago, here outside the white house for hassling secret service officers and wanting to talk to the president. this morning we don't see a substantial difference in security outside the white house. it was already very tight after that last fence-jumper, only a
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few weeks ago. you still have the temporary shorter fence about eight feet away from the tall fence. so it's interesting that somebody was still able to make it over. but law enforcement sources close to the situation tell us that, yeah, unless something substantially changes, that would be a higher fence, that an agile person could still make it over fairly quickly. but they say what matters is the speed and effectiveness of the secret service response. alisyn? >> this time the system works and the dogs were released. >> thank goodness. >> thanks so much for the update. well the canada shooting has triggered heightened security alert here in the u.s. we'll tell but the instructions that isis has sent out to lone wolves and just how vulnerable the u.s. is to that type of attack. our security experts are here. plus new safety precautions to keep ebola from spreading in the u.s. what the cdc is doing now. what am i thinking about?
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united states on guard this morning after the canadian attacks, the deadly shooting in ottawa was the second attack in canada and on a canadian soldier in just three days. on monday, a man ran over two soldiers, killing one.
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that driver was suspected of being connected to isis. how likely are attacks like those we've just seen in canada to happen in the u.s. let's bring in cnn's national security analyst, juliette kayyem, and senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi official, tom fuentes. tom and juliette, thank you so much for being here. let me play you something that congressman ed royce told our erin burnett about lone wolf attacks in the u.s. let's listen. >> we're taking every precaution, but the problem is, that a request went out 30 days ago, from isis, to carry out lone wolf attacks. against these targets. including france, the united states and our other alleys. and clearly canada has put up a squadron of fighter planes
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against isis, so they're part of the target list. >> juliette if a request went out 30 days ago from isis, why haven't we seen a lone wolf attack here yet? >> a lot of it is just finding the opportunity and someone who is going to be radicalized. the message from isis was sort of a message to the world. anyone who would listen, from people in syria, refugees in syria to canadian guy. you know, a 20-something year old who is looking for meaning in his life. this is the challenging aspect of where we are in counterterrorism. the good news, i think taken out of this is two-fold. one is he clearly was on some list, as was the guy from monday. which suggests that something is right in terms of the intelligence-sharing, it's obviously not enough. but we should learn the lessons of why were both men on some sort of target list. and the other for most viewers to know, while these are scary, they're not existential threats, lone wolves who are targeting
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killing one person here, two people there. but not the kind of organized threat that brings down two buildings and kills 3,000 people. >> that's a good point. but there's cold comfort in that if you're at a theater or a mall. >> there are thousands of shootings in the u.s. every year. fry as police might, they can't stop those. >> they cannot. the canadian authorities, the british, the u.s., they don't have enough resources to follow every person in these countries who thinks bad thoughts or says bad things. because we are free nations with freedom of speech and assembly. to read the mind of when a person is going 0 cross the line from just thinking bad thoughts to actually doing a bad thing, such as going out and carrying out a shooting or mowing somebody down with their car, that's hard to tell. you don't have the resources to follow 90 people in canada would take hundreds of full-time
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people just to do that. in the u.s., if you look at the numbers of people on our various watch lists, it approaches a million people there are not enough resources in the department of homeland security or the fbi or state and local law enforcement to follow every one of these people that expresses a bad idea about the united states. >> tom, the question becomes, what do you do? because they knew enough to flag this guy and pull his passport. as you all know, on the panel, this is not a small thing. that's not just putting you on a watch list, saying this is some weird, online activity. what do you do with somebody like this who you've had enough information, tom to pull the passport. >> well the problem is chris, that's enough information to flag somebody as you said. pull their passport. and the question is, what kind of resource allocation do they have. to maintain a close-enough
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monitoring of somebody. from that point on, and we don't know how many passports they have pulled in that country. how many other people or potential terror attacks they are watching. a lot of times you don't know this and suddenly arrests are made and a small group of people are taken into custody. oftentimes you'll see a threat go up, a warning go up in britain or in countries where shortly after, within a week or two, you'll see a small group of people taken into custody. those people are already being monitored and watched and the investigation well under way. which actually helped be the reason for why the threat lists go up or the threat alerts go up. >> we know the shooter from yesterday, he came in and out of the united states four times, authorities believe. how do they go about tracking who he made contact with when he came in? >> well this is where the cooperation between canada and the united states is so
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significant. so it's not like a country that we have difficult relationships with. the fbi and internal intelligence in canada are going to work hand in hand to figure out who did he meet with. what was he doing. was he with others, is there a potential other person here in the united states, who might be planning an attack. one of the reasons in law enforcement, national security you're hearing a lot about this thing called countering violent extremism. one of the challenges that tom addressed about resources, is that really, one of the aspects to sort of try to curb the number of lone wolf terrorists is to engage communities they might be a part of in terms of reaching out, getting information, working with communities so that they don't become radicalized.
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because there's just no way in a free society, would we want to have the kind of surveillance that would say, you know, that would be watching a million people or two million people for potential lone wolf terrorist attacks, which may happen from someone we weren't even watching, given the nature of terrorism today. >> thanks so much for helping chris and me and the audience understand all of this. we're staying on top of the deadly attack in canada. following another story, preventing another ebola outbreak in the u.s. the safety rules that some travelers will be forced to undergo. ning to the word, partnership. banking. loyalty. analytics. synchrony financial. engage with us.
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we want to get quickly to an update in the fight against ebola. the centers for disease control says every airline passenger who arrives in the u.s. from one of the three hardest-hit african nations will be monitored by state and local health officials for 21 days. here's an encouraging update, dallas nurse, amber vinson, says she's now ebola-free. though emory university hospital has not officially confirmed it. let's bring in senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen for the latest. >> alisyn, amber vinson's family says she is regaining her strength and they can't detect the virus and they say that she's been approved to move out of isolation. so she'll be in the hospital they say, but not in isolation. good news for nbc cameraman, ashoka mukpo, who is also
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ebola-free and he was let out of the hospital yesterday. he went on nbc news last night and talked about how having the virus allowed him to connect better to the people he was reporting on. >> you know, your life is hanging by a thread. it makes me remember a lot of the people that i filmed. a lot of the people that i talked to and to kind of connect with the kind of fear they must have felt. and you know, there's almost no words for that. >> now as allison mentioned, five u.s. airports they're going to be handing out ebola kits to folks who are returning west africa, this is a far cry to what happened when i returned to west africa where basely they didn't do anything. now they're going to be handing out thermometers and instructing people to take their temperatures for 21 days, and pamphlets to let them know what patients they should be watching for. >> ashoka mukpo looks fantastic, amazing how well he has recovered. he looks as though he's 100%
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better. i'm sure he's still weak. >> we know from kent brantly and nancy wrightbol that it takes a while to get back to normal. and i think they would say they are still getting back to normal. but it is amazing what early intervention does, he got treatment right away and that
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made it inside the white house. he was carrying a knife. breaking overnight. protesters on the streets of ferguson, missouri. patrol car s fall classic, tied at a game apiece. omar infante with a smash. the kansas city royals beating
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the giants 7-2 in game two of the world series. the royals scored five runs in the sixth inning to break open a 2-2 tie. the game now tied at a game apiece. goes back to san francisco. you can see tensions flaring there a little bit. the pitcher, hunter strickland, not happy at the demeanor that the royals took on after he game up that. so they were a little mad at each other. game three friday night. >> i'm impressed with your sports announcer voice. >> i do that usually all alone when i do the play-by-play for the games but here i get to do it for you and all of you. >> too much information. >> let's get back 0 to chris cuomo. he's live with all the latest in ottawa. >> there are a lot of new details emerging about the suspected ottawa shooter. let's be honest, he's not suspected any more. he is the shooter. we're going to dig deep wer the journalist who has been covering this situation and getting a feel for the chaos that happened after the shooting. what was learned, what we now know, coming up.
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welcome back, we are live in the canadian capital of ottawa following the deadly shooting that truly did rock this city. there was a lot of confusion here during the shootings. but there's a lot of confusion that remains. now here's what we know so far, officials say there was one shooter. there was so many reports of multiple shooters, it's a big reason it took so many hours to keep the city on lockdown. bill curry works with the "globe and mail," thank you for being here. to say that this, often exaggerated, a city on edge, it is actually true here. you could feel it yesterday, that this was something that was never expected in ottawa. >> it was kind of bizarre. certainly everyone around the core was definitely on edge. you had the police constantly moving people back. the police by their body language certainly made people concerned that there was potentially as you mentioned, another shooter. were crouched behind their cars
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throughout the day. it seemed like things would ramp up in terms of tension and then quiet down. but then if you went a few blocks away from where we're standing. life was going on as normal. it will be interesting to see as we go on today and the days to come, what prevails in terms of people's anxieties here. >> there's a big fear of the unknown. they obviously still keeping some of the streets locked off, the war memorial is where this started with this deranged man. when you look at the challenges going forward. it's not like canada, you got caught flat-footed in the parliament building. that's the first point. you think the security is going to change? >> definitely, think there will be a lot of attention on that. there have been a lot of warnings about security on parliament hill. perhaps not being as cohesive enough. the way parliament works, center block, the main building with the peace tower is actually split in half. the west side is the house of kmons, and then the east side is
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the senate. they each have their own security forces, you step outside onto the lawn of the parliament hill. the national force, the rcmp patrols that and beyond the gates, it's the city of ottawa. you've got four police forces that are supposed to be monitoring the hill. so there have been times calls for that to be more organized. we'll hear more debate about that. >> even though we're in the capitol. ever how violent a place can be wasn't there and hopefully it doesn't change the character of the city, but it does have to change that level of intensity. however, that cuts against the other reality here. you did know in canada, you had this guy and the guy on monday, flagged. you had their passports pulled. you had 90 different people under surveillance, you have a population here that's so much bigger by percentage of islam than we do in the u.s.
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how do you reconcile the two? you knew so much on one level. not enough to be ready on the other. that's the questions being asked to police when they spoke to reporters during the day. that's the big challenge. we'll see the debate in parliament of in terms of civil liberties versus national security. can you just arrest somebody for you know, seeming to apparently being sympathetic on the internet. something like that. there will be a huge debate here in ottawa. >> to many in the tv audience, there's a bigger muslim population in the canada than in the u.s. mob toring is difficult it creates culture conflict here. there's a movement in government. you remove the federal gun registry. there's kind of a moving to being more armed. what are you seeing here?
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>> certainly a lot of the muslim groups are issuing statements as we saw after 9/11 as well, saying this is not representative of islam. so we'll see that from the community there. and in terms of the federal policy, the federal government did repeal, we had a federal long gun registry that many people felt was ineffective. they removed that they're focusing more on licensing. whether or not that was the right move, there's been debates with the quebec government, trying to preserve the long gun registry. an issue that's before our supreme court right now. that's an issue that takes on dynamic. >> the debate about more guns being more better goes on in the u.s. all the time. >> the problem is that human beings are becoming weapons and they're being used to disturb and create violence in the name of things this they rarely even understand. >> hopefully this isn't about the frequency of attacks, the recognition of what the threat is.
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bill curry. thank you for being with us. >> chris, four homicides in ottawa last year? that's such a striking number. >> well, look, it's a safe place. and it's, it's a very well-developed community here. it's got a very rich history. but you have to remember, that doesn't mean that they're naive when it comes to terrorism. the u.s. relies very heavily on canadian intelligence. they flag passports on these guys, that's a big deal, alisyn. we don't do that as often in the united states as they do here. but here's the headline -- this is the new threat. it's not about taking comfort that they dill kill 1,000 people here. it's that one at a time. two at a time. it can be just as scary to everyday life, especially who they're preying on are deranged and desperate for meaning in their life. if that becomes the threat to americans and canadians, we've a big problem on or hands. >> we'll look forward to hearing more from you about the
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shooter's background, as well as about the victim who we know was so honorable as well. we'll talk about that, when we come back. meanwhile the canada shooting is triggering questions about what the u.s. can do to avoid a similar attack. as chris was just saying. we'll talk to congresswoman debbie wasserman-schultz, dnc chairwoman. no. in the basemen. why can't we just get in the running car? are you crazy? let's hide behind the chainsaws. smart. yeah. ok. if you're in a horror movie, you make poor decisions. it's what you do. this was a good idea. shhhh. be quiet. i'm being quiet. you're breathing on me! if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. head for the cemetery!
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united states is on heightened alert this morning after the attack on canada's parliament. the violence striking as canada ramps up its contributions to the u.s.-led campaign against ice nis iraq and syria. addressing the nation last night, canadian prime minister stephen harper calling for unity among canadians and with the country's allies in the fight against terrorism. let's bring in chairwoman of the democratic national committee and florida congresswoman, debbie wasserman-schultz to talk about it. let's happening in congress this morning following the attacks on canada's parliament. >> president obama has offered the canadian prime minister harper the full support and assistance of the united states.
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and obviously we've been through attacks on our soil before and in and around the capital, it's you know, even more concerning. we've taken steps, since 9/11, to really tighten security around our united states capital and our government building so we are able to lend our expertise and that's, that's what we're in the process of doing. >> don't you have to go through a metal detect toor to get into congress? >> yeah. >> it seems they didn't expect anything like this. >> if you go back to prior to 9/11 there was a lot less security and you know, security measures. we had a much more open campus at the white house and the capitol. we've had to tighten up. and clearly canada will probably have to take steps in that direction as well. >> it's a representative process. >> different place, different city. the security concerns. >> security and access. >> will mandate that changes be
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made. obviously we want the changes to be made. we want the investigation to be going in the direction it should be. i do want to shift gears, on politics being, talk to you about your job as the chairwoman of the democratic national committee right now. there are some who suggest that these are tough times for the democratic party. the elections are close and there is a discussion, is there a wave right now for the republican party? >> absolutely not. just to give you evidence of that. i mean who would have thought that less than two weeks before election day, the republicans would have to be, have to be worried about losing the gubernatorial and a senate race in kansas, in south dakota in georgia, in kentucky. these are blood red states and normally the president's party and a second-term mid-term loses an average of 29 seats. i would say there's a good chance that we either don't lose seats or at best single digits in either direction.
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>> you say georgia, i can say colorado. you say south dakota, i can say iowa, alaska. >> the difference are those are close races and those are states that have been more purple than blue. i'm talking about blood-red states in which the president didn't even come close to winning, and yet they may lose and the senator and the seat in georgia and in kansas and they're having to what we're expanding them at. and the republicans' map is constricting. >> the "new york times" says the democrats are struggling with the president's policies. their editorial board wrote one of the reasons for obama's unpopularity is nervous members of his own party have done a poor job of defending his policies over the six years of his presidency, allowing the republican narrative of failure to take hold. >> why aren't the democratic candidates embracing the president's policies more. >> someone who 12 days from now is going to have my own name on the ballot and has run for
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office many times, when you're running for office, you want to stand on your own. you want to make sure that voters understand what your policies are. but obviously the issues that are important to voters, unite democrats. and republicans have doubled down on extremism. what we all do have in common is we have to create jobs, focus on turning the economy around. make sure that we can invest in education and health care. while the republicans have doubled down on extremism and put suing president at the top of the list, for doing his job and trying to repeal or gut health care reform 55 times. the voters are going to ask themselves who has my back and they'll consistently say democrats do. >> in kentucky, allison lundgren-grimes did have a campaign event and she did embrace the president, but it was the wrong president, watch this. >> kentucky, welcome to a man who is family, to me. who is the job's president, here
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to endorse the jobs candidate. he didn't stop working after he left the white house, no he's tried to clear the way in washington for kentucky to have a new senator. >> not the president now. she used bill clinton. >> well bill clinton has been remarkable. in his efforts to make sure that voters understand the clear contrast and choice that americans have. which is, for democratic candidates like allison lundergan-grimes, who focuses on jobs, education and health care and getting the economy turned around. and mitch mcconnell who said, and who has supported a government shutdown a year ago, costing our economy $24 billion and predicted if he gets the majority, he'll do it again. >> but why not use president obama instead of bill clinton. >> she hasn't even said she voted for him. that would be a big jump to support his policies when she hasn't voted for him.
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>> she supports issues that unite all candidates, jobs and the economy, running against a guy who opposes the minimum wage. who opposes legislation to make college more affordable for young americans and shut the government down a year ago and predicted he would shut it down again. that's the choice for voters the next couple of weeks. allison is standing on her own. as democrats for any candidate would want to. what unites us is the agenda that voters have said, is the top of their agenda. >> debbie wasserman-schultz, thanks for being in studio. we're following news, so let's get to it. >> terror on canada's parliament hill. >> guys, there's a shooter on the loose. >> we will not be intimidated. canada will never be intimidated. >> a new fence-jumper at the white house. >> i am shocked that someone would have the audacity to make that jump. >> michael brown's autopsy
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report is the latest leak from the investigation into his death. >> how can we have confidence in this process. >> it's a lot of people that are scared and some people that are angry, they don't care. >> good morning to chris cuomo, live from ottawa, canada, where the country is morning one of its soldiers after a deadly shooting. the prime minister says very simply, it was an act of terror, alisyn. >> great to have you there this morning. i'm alisyn camerota in new york, we want to welcome viewers across the country and around the world that attack and the chaotic scene that followed are raising questions and concerns about homegrown extremism and whether something similar could happen in the u.s. >> we have the very latest information on what happened here. there was a lockdown, it's still partially in place behind us near the national war memorial where it started. but it's been relaxed over the last few hours. but it was lockdown in place for well over 10.
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now despite initial concerns, the motivation there was that there were multiple shooters, so many eye witness accounts of multiple shooters. right now officials believe the man who was killed was the only man involved. and he was killed by the sergeant at arms from the house of commons. there are new details about how this happened and certainly about the man responsible for all of it. his name for what it is worth, michael zehaf-bibeau. he has a criminal history. a history of being troubled. he converted to islam, but clearly didn't understand the faith. became radicalized. he was on the radar enough here in canada, to have his passport flagged. and that raising a lot of questions about what they knew, about what they weren't able to control. and also, about this as the new threat in the u.s. and in canada. what did it all mean? here's a look. >> we will not be intimidated. canada will never be intimidated. >> prime minister stephen harper
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promising justice after what he calls, a terrorist act on canada's capitol. 9:52 a.m. -- >> guys, there's a shooter on the loose. >> shots ring out at the national war memorial in ottawa. >> out of the way! >> i just heard a shot and just pow. >> the shooter, 32-year-old michael zehaf-bibeau, a muslim convert. officials say he had a troubled past. and was planning to fight overseas. >> the guy came from the side, came out with a rifle and shot at the man and then the guy went falling down. >> the suspect fatally shooting canadian corporal, nathan cirillo, the 24-year-old father was one of two soldiers standing guard. >> then around 10:00 a.m., the shooter hijacked this car and continued his rampage a few hundred yards away. entering through doors meant for officials, he starts firing inside canada's parliament building.
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>> i was literally taking off my coat, going into the caucus room and i hear this boom boom boom. >> police scrambling to protect canada's top officials. rushing them outside to safety. some lawmakers in the building huddle in a caucus room. piling up chairs against the door to barricade themselves in. as police exchange a barrage of bullets, with the shooter. >> we are sort of flanking down the hallway. it looked like the guy popped out or they saw him. they fired a lot. a tremendous amount of bullets fired. >> amid the chaos, parliament sergeant at arms, kevin vickers fires the fatal shot. but not before three others are injured. vickers killing the suspect near the parliamentary library, fellow officers calling him a hero. >> when you hear those gunshots and know that your brother was in the middle of all of that, it
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was a very surreal experience and horror. >> this is the second time this week canada waking up to headlines of terror. on monday, canadian authorities say a radicalized islamist hit and killed a canadian soldier with his car. >> i had a chance to talk with prime minister harper. >> president obama says we have to remain vigilant. >> when it comes to dealing with terrorist activity. that canada and the united states has to be entirely in sync. not only is canada one of our closest allies in the world, but there are our neighbors and our friends. >> all right so as we understand that this event yesterday was random and that this man was just a derained individual and not seen as part of some bigger plot, it is also not something to be dismissed, because it could very well be the newest threat, both to canada and the u.s. discuss, we have david harris, former chief of strategic planning for the canadian security intelligence service. and he's also the director of
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the international jebs program for insign and michel juneau-katsuya, a former security officer with the canadian intelligence service, always important to get the titles right. especially when you're trying to suggest the expertise needed in a situation like in. >> i was with sesus only since 1988, i've had 20 years experience. it's easy to dismiss this guy. i won't say this name. he a past that was troubled. he was deranged. he had trouble at his mosque. he was fascinated with the wrong parts of the culture of his faithth to dismiss this as the new reality would be a mistake? >> a terrible mistake there are questions about whether or not the individual may have had a connection to the individual in quebec, who was responsible for
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vehicular homicide there are also some questions with respect to the fellow in montreal and the mosque he attended. it is alleged by some, who very expert in these things that that mosque may have had him itself a guest speaker who was given to prescribing things like amputations and beheadings. so this cope a few fields of exploration, vis-a-vis radicalism in this country. a problem that many moderate muslims have long been concerned about. >> a man, michel, who was clearly not in his right mind. he started the at the national war memorial. on that memorial you have dates of service fr. it is near the grave of the unknown soldier. he knew that in jihad to kill military matters and that brings glory. so he knew enough to do that. >> yes, indeed. and basically, he was following
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to a certain extent, the path that the previous guy, has done earlier this week as well. but also which was the call, received a month ago from the isis itself. that was sort of obligating, publishing while this sort of international jihad. what is striking when we look at the profile is two things. the recent attack and the people that we've been talking about for the last year or more, are all converted. they were not born muslim, they were not coming if a family originating from the middle east or afghanistan. they were blue-eyed, blonde-aired people who suddenly sort of disenfranchised, decided to sort of -- >> converting for all the wrong reasons. >> converted for all the wrong reasons. picked up the element of radicalism and went on to do their carnage. >> and you match the conversion, and that zealousness with a disabled person right and i mean that in that he had a history of
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addiction and criminal history. >> the converts issues and element is a significant one, perhaps 20-30%. but it is a long shot not the only issue. we've now seen a succession of individuals, canadians, some of them converts, many born to the faith as well. this is something that some of us who work closely with the canadian muslim community are trying to deal with. but it requires that we look full face at the challenge that we do face. >> what is the challenge? >> some of it has to do with the interpretation of doctrine. we have references, chapter 4 and 33 in the koran relating to sex slavery, and we need imams to come out directly and specifically to deal with those passages. >> we need to be very specific in this regard. or we will then find those people who are in converts and others inclined to this sort of thing. >> are you guys able to hear us and see us right now?
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all right. good. we're all good. live tv you always have to work on communications, david to pick up on your point with michel -- people are looking at this and saying, it could have been so much worse, thank god for that sergeant at arms and the people who fired back. are we missing the point here? yes, none of us want to see mass killings, it's a horrible nightmare. but one at a time. two at a time by people who don't have to be well-organized, who don't have to be assets of any organization. who can pick up some twisted message online and become someone like this fool yesterday. isn't that a bigger threat that it's much heaarder for the bestf the canadian and u.s. officials to control. >> i think you're right on the target. the challenge we're facing was the simplicity. it was simple. they use a car, they use a
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hunting rifle. they use a knife, basically. that's one of the problems. but again, it's all reactive. one of the times doesn't work. we've got to be working a little bit more in a proactive fashion. the authority can do only so much when you're in the field of security. if you're something else, maybe you can help. the father of the first assignment on monday, he went to the authority. he said, my son is turning bizarre, i need help. but the police are not social workers, they are not psychologists. we need to have official resources, presented by government that will be capable to step in early enough to defuse and to deprogram the person that is in the process of radicalizing. >> neither canada nor the u.s. is equipped with a lot of laws to do that right now. it's very difficult to intercede before there's a criminal action. >> david harris, michel juneau-katsuya, thank you very much. the urgency from u.s., fbi
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and intelligence sources to say, do not underplay this, because only one person was killed. every life matters. but the idea of having people now in the u.s. who either don't want to or can't travel to do jihad abroad, who are deranged enough to buy into the idea, is as dangerous a threat as any we face. it's a big reason we're in ottawa this morning. >> in fact congressman ed royce last night on cnn said there was this directive that was issued 30 days ago from isis, for lone wolves to rise up in canada and the u.s. so we'll be talking about all of that and what the u.s. can do about it this morning. there is heightened concern about security here in the u.s. as we're talking about following the second attack on canadian soil. this week, the obama administration is reaching out to our friends, to the north to offer assistance to stephen harper's government. cnn's michelle kosinski is live at the white house with more. >> we saw the u.s. embassy locked down in ottawa after
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this, heightened security there, norad put on increased alert and the fbi telling field offices to be more vigilant. the fbi and intelligence communities now helping canada with its investigation. we did hear the president talk about this yesterday. offering his condolences for what he called the outrageous attacks. so questioning what happened in canada, we're hearing from the president and officials that in some respect it's too early to tell. all the information isn't in place yet to know whether this might have been connected to some kind of broader network or plan. they do say, though, that there is no specific specific threat connected to this in the u.s. that said, we do know that the u.s. and canada have been concerned recently over increased chatter. from jihadists and that was enough to that they've already
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increased security. another consulate in canada. there has been increased chatter over the last few weeks, too, you mentioned jihad iist in the u.s. what happens now? the national security teams of canada and the u.s. coordinate closely on this and the u.s. has offered canada any assistance it might need. >> michelle, tell us what happened last night at the white house, another person jumped the fence? >> another fence-jumper, a 23-year-old believed to be a disturbed individual from maryland. made it just over the fence. but this time the response was much different and it was fast. we saw dogs apprehend this individual right away. tried to fight off both of these dogs. he and the dogs were hurt in the attack. the suspect, adesanya was removed and charged. charged with assaulting the dogs
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and unlawful entry it doesn't look like it's connected with some kind of terrorist threat. interesting to see that he was able to make it over the additional barrier fence that was put in after the last fence-jumper, you over the high fence as well. sources close to this are saying what matters is the response and this time it worked. >> thanks so much. let's go over to john berman for more headlines. >> the dogs are okay, which is very nice to hear. we just got that information from the white house. we're going to begin with the latest in the fight to contain ebola in the united states. the centers for disease control now says every airline passenger who arrives in the united states from one of the three hardest-hit west african nations will be monitored by state and local health officials for 21 days. that will be a serious logistical challenge. some encouraging developments for the texas nurses infected after treating thomas eric duncan. amber vinson's family says she is now ebola-free. and nina pham's condition has been upgraded from fair to good,
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wonderful news. duncan was the first ebola victim to die in the united states. new details this morning in a deadly car attack in jerusalem. the state department says a 3-month-old baby girl killed in the attack was american. israeli police shot and killed the driver, a 20-year-old palestinian after he plowed into pedestrians at a tram stop and tried to flee. four ex-blackwater guards are behind gars this morning, convicted in the shooting of 31 unarmed iraqi civilians. 17 people died in 2007 in that attack. including nine and 11-year-old boys. the guards opened fire in a crowded intersection of baghdad. the men had initially claimed self-defense. the incident angered iraqis and changed how u.s. contractors were used in that country. the university of north carolina wrapped up in a grading scam that went on for 18 years. a probe bay former federal general counsel at the fbi found
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more than 3100 students, mostly athletes had their grades bumped up by sham classes. this report goes on to find it was designed to save their gpas, so they could keep playing sports. sham classes, i call it a shame. what a shame. >> john, thanks so much. over to meteorologist indra petersons keeping track of the latest forecasts for us, how is it looking? >> a lot of rain, still windy, not nice coming in this morning. i think most of us are feeling it two inches of rain fell towards boston. easy to see the circulation is still out there this morning. we're going to be talking about rain and strong winds, the difference boston gusting 30 to 40 miles per hour. they'll start to die down as the system starts to kick out. it will be not until tomorrow that finally the low lifts away from uses as we go towards the weekend. so the rain goes away. the temperatures rebound and it will feel better when we start the weekend. what i want to get to is tonight, yes, we have a partial solar eclipse. it's going to look like at sunset, like there is a chunk
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missing from the sun. as it goes down. this is what we love, you're not supposed to look at it here are the best viewing times, in the east you have it at sunset. keep in mind it is not going to be visible in new england, the reason for that, you're actually see the sun set before the actual shadow from the moon makes its way overhead. keep in mind, i know it is so beautiful to look at. and you want to look directly at the sun, we know that is damaging, don't put on sunglasses, you need the proper glasses to look through. so tempting. >> this the best way to enjoy it, you're presenting it to us. >> ind ra, thanks so much. tensions are rising again in ferguson, missouri. new clashes between police and protesters as michael brown's autopsy and new witness testimony is leaked. does it support officer darren wilson's claim of self-defense? and what will happen if a jury does not indict wilson? our legal experts have strong opinions to share.
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another round of protests erupting in ferguson overnight as demonstrators call for the arrest of officer darren wilson. a grand jury is still weeks away from making a decision on whether to indict officer wilson in the shooting death of michael brown. new details have been leaked about brown's official autopsy report and it appears to back up officer darren wilson's story that he shot the unarmed teen in self-defense. let's bring in cnn legal analyst paul callan and attorney and
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radio host, mo ivory. we have new information this morning, let me read it to you. it's from the "washington post." and it is a bit of a bombshell. seven or eight african-american eye witnesses have provided testimony that is consistent with officer wilson's account, meaning seven or eight african-american witnesses say that they believe the officer acted in self-defense. paul? >> well, you know the thing that's most disturbing i think at this point, where are these leaks coming from? this is supposed to be a secret proceeding, the law doesn't allow people to leak information from the grand jury and it's extremely disturbing that we're getting this level of leaks from the grand jury. getting back to the substance of the case. i've always said that the perspective issue is the really important thing. we know now at least if the autopsy is correct, that there was a struggle for the car, for the gun, in the car. the police officers testified
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that he thought his life was threatened. that michael brown was trying to shoot him. so now it all comes down to what happened outside the car. was michael brown putting his hands up to surrender? or was he turning to tackle the officer? michael brown is over six-foot, weighs 300 pounds, the officer fires in self-defense. it all depends on your perspective, i've got to see what those seven witnesses say. >> the "washington post" is vague about what part of officer wilson's testimony these eye witnesses who have come forward support. we don't know this f they're talking about in the car, we don't know if they're talking about what happened on the street. we don't know who they are, because the "washington post" just cites its own sources, what do you make of the new development? >> i make nothing of it. it's all so vague. i really -- feel that none of this changes anything that we already knew. even the leaked autopsy report, which of course is the st. louis county autopsy report. which by the way the family and the lawyers of michael brown
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have been asking for that report for -- months now. and nobody has wanted to release that report. but ironically, it gets leaked. this is all an attempt to continue to paint michael brown in a negative manner. to set up a defense for officer wilson. and it's really troubling. like paul said, it's disturbing that this is the manner in which the information is coming out. how ironic, now there's seven black people that agree with what officer wilson says, is his side of the story. who are they? where have they been? why haven't they talked about before? why can't they come out the witnesses that spoke about michael brown? they've been fine, they've been protected. they haven't seen any harm come to them so all of a sudden now there's seven or eight black people that are afraid to say anything? it sounds all so shady. this is the reason why people have such a distrust of the process. >> one of the reasons that we want grand jury proceedings to be secret is so witnesses will
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not be fearful about coming forward and telling what really happened at the scene and in truth, we don't know what really happened at is that scene until we hear all of the witness testimony. which only the grand jury has. and it's extremely disturbing to see leaks like this. >> let me play for you what michael brown's family attorney said about these witnesses who have allegedly come forward. listen to this. >> i don't know at what point they're giving their eye witness testimony, there's been no one that i know of that supports what officer wilson is claiming took place outside of the vehicle. if there are witnesses that support what darren wilson is saying too took place, then i will love to hear them. so far we haven't heard any. i don't believe any exist. and thus far, we haven't heard from anyone that supports this story. >> he's reflecting what mo is saying, why haven't they come forward? so many other people have come forward. why would these seven or eight not come forward to the "washington post," for fear of
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their safety? >> the truth of the matter is, that in america, when criminal cases are handled, they're not supposed to be tried in the press. a witness has an obligation maybe to talk to the police or to the grand jury. but not to the press. so it's hardly appropriate to say, they can't be believed. because they didn't give a press conference, as some of the early witnesses did. >> except in this entire case, it's been so press-centric. this is a very vocal case. >> it's a peculiar, mo, that these particular seven or eight have never been heard from when we've heard from so many other people. mo? >> paul, it's a good point to say witnesses aren't obligated to have press conferences, and things of that sort. but in this climate and in this
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case, the way the protests are nightly. the media coverage of it all. it would seem if there were pertinent information for either side that it would be brought forward. and i'm particularly disappointed at the prosecutor, mccullough, for these leaks coming out. for people emailing about what they believe is going to happen in this case, but yet, no comment from him. no disparaging remarks about how he is disappointed at the way this is happening. this is why people do not trust him. this is why people felt he should recuse himself. >> i agree with you that it's mccullough's responsibility. these leaks could be coming from federal authorities. yesterday the report was that the autopsy as least as reported in the "times" had been leaked by federal authorities, not local thoeauthorities. get back to why the witnesses don't come forward, the report in the "washington post" is that he are african-american witnesses. the sentiment in the african-american community seems to be overwhelmingly as publicly expressed in demonstrations, against the officer.
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so the witnesses may have a fear if they come forward they're going to be subject to criticism and maybe their safety will in danger. i don't know what's going on through their minds. >> paul, i understand that, i understand that. i want to point out if anybody has watched the coverage of the protest they've been very diverse, they were on many white people that have been out there marching who have been in support of michael brown's family. and the way this entire process has happened. i don't want it to be characterized that they would fear other african-americans only. there's a nationwide protest going on about the way the case is being handled, both white people, black people, hispanics, asians have come out to support the process. >> you're both making great points that people have come together and people could be fearful and there's the suggestion that all this is being leaked to set up, to prepare the protesters in the case that he's not indicted. we'll talk about that another
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day. paul, mo, thank you very much. who will be the next president? chris christie is pretty sure it will be a governor and he's taking some not so veiled swipes at his potential 2016 rivals, john king has all of that "inside politics," plus chris is on the ground for news ottawa. >> one of the things we've learned here that's worth report something about the sergeant at arms in canada's house of commons. this morning the world now knows kevin vickers as something else, a hero. he may have prevented a bloodbath in the parliament building. he took out the ottawa gunman before worse could be done. we're going to take a look at who he is and what happened, straight ahead.
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welcome back to "new day," let's get over to john berman, in for michaela today for headlines. canada's prime minister says the deadly attack on a soldier and a shooting at the parliament building were acts of terror. the suspected shooter, michael zehaf-bibeau, was killed by the sergeant at arms in the house of commons there. the lockdown in downtown ottawa was lifted after more than ten hours. the u.s. embassy there remains on lockdown. but security in and around the u.s. capitol has not been altered from its heightened post-9/11 levels. the man who jumped a white house fence last night is current entry custody. 23-year-old dominick adesanya has been charged with assaulting a police canine team among other crimes. he climbed over the fence, the secret service unleashed the dogs. he punched and kicked the dogs.
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before he was subdued and take ton a hospital. the dogs were treated by a vet for bruises, but have been cleared to return to duty. the federal government now expanding the takata air bag recall to 7.8 million cars. the u.s. auto safety satisfaction says the air bags are an immediate threat. the recall includes cars from ten automakers that date back to 2008. two people have died because of this defect. there's particular concern when it comes into contact with humidity. florida and the gulf states are the particular areas of concern. have you heard, there's an election around the corner? let's get to "inside politics" on "new day" with john king. hi, john. >> just around the corner, 12 days to the mid-term election. eight, 1012, senate races within play. a lot to talk about as we go inside politics. with me to share reporting and insights, cnn's peter hanby, our
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brand-new cnn/or c poll. a former republican senator from neighboring massachusetts, scott brown, a dead heat. jean shaheen, the incumbent and scott brown, unchanged, 49% to 47%. let's take a peek at this. democrats are trying to stretch the gender gap, jean shaheen succeeding, almost an exact flip side among men, the venus/mars election. this is the number she would want, the big gender gap, but still the dead heat. >> she needs to drive up the gender gap even more. the problem nationally. obama has been shedding support among women voters nationally. that's hurting democrats in a lot of the key races, because democrats have been getting wiped out across the map by men. they need to run up the score with women.
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it they lose new hampshire, there's no scenario in which they keep the senate and lose new hampshire. that's a must-win come election day. >> there's two numbers keeping sha halloween afloat. scott brown wants the number to be higher among men and scott brown's unfavorable ratings have been under water in this campaign while shaheen's have been above 50. that number has been kept shaheen above scott brown over the last month or so. >> iowa, new hampshire, colorado, three blue states, this is where we currently stand, 55 democrats, 45 republicans in the united states senate. i'm going to give you a scenario, republican plan a, democrats watching say whoa, you can't do that. the republican plan a from day one has been win alaska, win montana, win south dakota and arkansas and louisiana and west virginia, that would give them the net six pick-up and the yellow states are in play. this is why new hampshire and iowa are so important and colorado. three blue states, won by
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president obama, that are all in play for republicans, republicans think they could take two of these three. get a late wave. maybe three of three. before we dig deeper, let's look at a new ad in iowa, joanie ernst made her name in the republican primary. she's the nominee against democratic bruce braley. watch this. >> it's a mess, dirty, noisy and it stinks. not this lot, i'm talking about the one in washington. too many typical politicians. hogging, wasting and full of -- i approved this message because cleaning up the mess in washington is going to take a whole lot of iowa common sense. >> so let's start there. peter hanby at the moment republicans pretty confident about iowa, right? >> yeah, they are and that ad is actually very good one and she was able to cut through the clutter in the republican primary by running a similar ad. braley has run a great campaign. look at the earl will i vote
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numbers in that state. democrats in the last two or three cycles have really done well by running up the early vote number. by getting people who don't traditionally vote, getting their votes in the bank. if you look at the return ballot numbers, in that early vote, republicans are at parity with democrats right now. which has never happened before. braley wants the number to be higher. again it's not a complete picture, those are the only return ballots, not requested ballots, but still republicans are feeling very good. >> a hypothetical. if you see what i'm doing, you don't like it because of your views, remember we're just playing along. if republicans take iowa and colorado, we've got them at 50 in the math. the question is what about north carolina. that's a competitive race, i'm going to leave it out for now. the question is a, new hampshire this one will be tight to the end. republicans trying to put more people on the ground, more resources, that was maine, i
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didn't hit new hampshire. big debate there tonight. then can republicans hold their own, kansas, kentucky and georgia, i want to get to kansas right now. hillary clinton going back in. allison grimes is saying, is still close. republicans pulled out their, democrats pulled out their money and decided to go back in. >> they believe there's a chance in kentucky. i think it's a slim chance to beat mitch mcconnell. most of the polls have him holding a steady lead. it's a tough state. obama is incredibly unpopular there. conservative state. but the polls have shown there's some tightening, at least in the democratic internal polling and the belief is if you put money in there late, maybe you pull off an upset. maybe you put republicans on the defensive. because democrats are on the defensive across the country. they need to show donors they're going after mitch mcconnell. >> when the headline accurate or
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not popped. that the s.e.c. was pulling out of kentucky, you can bet there was angry phone calls from donors, wanting to take out mitch mcconnell. >> what's fascinating 12 days outky give awe scenario where democrats barely hold on, can you still see a possibility of them holding onto the senate. can you see there's a little bit of a wind, it gets 53, maybe even as high as if they win them all. 55. that's why we're going to have a lot of fun over the next 12 days. as we play it out. we're watching the 2016 curtain starting to rise. we'll say 2016 starts the day after 2014. today rand paul gives an important speech about foreign policy. libertarian ron paul, isolationist disputes. rand paul will give a speech saying he's not an isolationist, but i'm not an interventionist. define the difference. >> he straddles the line between his father's view of the world and the john mccain view of the
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world. someone who can push a less aggressive foreign policy. but not be an isolationist. and he'll make the case in the speech that the country should not rush to war. we should no go to war when there's no clear outcome and no clear chance for success. that's going to be one of his biggest liabilities in 2016. he thinks if he can preempt these attack, he'll be on a stronger footing. >> rand paul believes people on the grassroots are becoming more skeptical of military intervention. trying to walk a fine balance, establishment people who control the money and the grassroots people in the speech. >> you quote the article in politico, the enablers of war. barnacles. >> traditionally the sort of republican lanes in the foreign policy world kind of broken down in familiar categories, he's trying to invent a space for himself. calling himself a conservative,
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realist. the speech at the center for the national interest, a realist think tank, that's power politics, a pessimistic world. he's not that. but he's not a neocon. he's trying to create his own space. give him credit for that. my only question, why is he doing it right now? the 2016 stuff has been happening for months and months, but this two-week window is about getting republicans elected to the senate, governor's house. >> a new poll will come out. everyone will forget about it. as we close, chris christie gave a speech the other night to the chamber of commerce, we think he's leaning in for 2016. he made a big impression on the group. they were impressed as they went through the policy issues. listen, could you read this as a criticism of barack obama and when we're done with it, a little more. >> i am convinced that the next president of the united states is going to be a governor. needs to be. we have had the experiment of
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legislator who has never run anything. getting on-the-job training in the white house. it has not been pretty. >> so as we get back to chris cuomo. could you take this as a criticism of a senator turned president obama or wait for the debate stage when he turns to senator rubio, senator paul, senator cruz and says, nice guy, not ready. can't wait for those debates. >> we know one thing, it's easy to criticize, it is much tougher to do the job. thank you for bringing us "inside politics," we'll be with you again tomorrow my friend. and now i'll tell you, back here in ottawa, what is very clear is that whoever becomes president, they're going to have to deal with some significant new threats to american safety and even here, canadian safety. behind us is a national war memori memorial. it's blocked, police vehicles are coming in and out. it's where the situation began, the shooting yesterday, we're told here, don't focus on who started it. focus on who stopped it.
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that hero's name is kevin vickers. he was not alone. there were many people there fighting back. this sergeant of arms of canada's house of commons, is now a man of new distinction. >> after three decades in law enforcements it is believed yesterday is the first time that 58-year-old sergeant at arms kevin vickers ever exchanged gunfire with anyone and he made it count. >> as far as the call to duty, he's the type of guy, when the country needed him, he would be there full force and dependable. >> this morning, the top law enforcement of canada's house of commons is being hailed a hero. vickers applauded for his bravery in shooting and killing the assailant in the deadly rampage in canada's parliament wednesday. it comes as no surprise to his family, his brother telling don lemon, he always puts his country first.
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>> he did what he this had to do for the country and for the safety of folks in ottawa, we're very proud of him. >> authorities haven't officially confirmed vickers' actions in stopping the gunman, but eye witnesses praise him with ending the ordeal at the nation's capital. the prime minister even inside at the time. and on social media, many credit him with saving lives. profoundly grateful, the sergeant at arms, kevin vickers and security forces with the selfless act of keeping us safe posts veteran affairs minister, julian fantenno. mps and hill staff owe their lives to sergeant at arms, kevin vickers. a veteran of the royal canadian mounted police, vickers became the sergeant at arms in 2006. while it carries many ceremonial duties, from touting a special sword to escorting world leaders, responsibilities of the sergeant at arms are much like that of a police chief. a family and country thankful that along with the ceremony, he
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brought true bravery and heroism. >> to think that sergeant at arms for the nation and parliament of all places, to have to be involved in something like that, as we say is quite surreel. >> we focus on him because of what he did. and we try to ignore the man who did the shooting, because of what he did. ignoring who did this terrible thing yesterday, alisyn, we do not want to ignore the threat that this man represents, the threat that the man on monday represented in canada. because the u.s., every bit and more so, vulnerable to these types of attacks going forward. so the key is to analyze and understand. to keep people who are deranged enough to think violence is some key to honor, keeping them from overcoming the safety of the rest of us. but vickers is a special guy and everyone here this morning is very grateful he's the sergeant of arms. we're just trying to find out whether or not he'll be back at work this morning.
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>> he's such a profile in courage, i've enjoyed reading so much about him. it was the first time in his long career that he engaged in gun fire. and that he had the chris we'll be talking with you throughout the show. we have other subjects we want to get to. the cdc is issuing strict new guidelines for people come to the u.s. from west africa. we'll tell you the new plan and how it could keep ebola out of the u.s. i've always loved exploring and looking for something better. that's the way i look at life.
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saying every airline passenger who arrives in the u.s. from one of the three hardest-hit west african countries will be monitored by state and local health officials for 21 days. and an encouraging update to tell you about. dallas nurse amber vinson's family says she is now ebola free but atlanta's emory university hospital has not officially confirmed that. let's get to our senior medical correspondent eliz pet cohen joins us live with the latest. what is the latest? >> reporter: good morning. the vinson family says that they can't detect ebola in amber vinson's blood and they say she's been approved to move out of isolation and that she is regaining her strength. also good news for ashoka mukpo, the nbc cameraman who had ebola is also ebola free, he's been discharged from the hospital and he also went on "nbc nightly news" and said that having this disease allowed him to better connect with the people he was covering. >> you know your life is hanging by a thread.
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-- captions by vitac -- breaking news, we are live in ottawa, a nation on edge, worrying what comes next. deadly shooting terrorizing the
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naon's capital. soldier is dead. lawmakers forced to flee for their lives. the prime minister vowing resolve. >> canada will never be intimidated. >> this morning, new details on the gunman, his past and his conversion to islam. the victim, a soldier and a father, and the hero sergeant-at-arms who reportedly gunned down the shooter, stopping him cold. plus new fears. will there be more attacks like this? plus breaking overnight, another white house fence jumper, this time the man apprehended just moments later. and police and protesters clash in ferguson, missouri, overnight. protesters demanding justice for michael brown and the arrest of officer darren wilson. >> a special edition of "new day" starts right now. good morning, and welcome back to a special edition of "new day." i'm live from ottawa, canada,
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following what is only described as a chaotic and terrible day, a gunman opened fire, leaving a canadian soldier dead in an attack. the prime minister is simply calling terrorism, alysin? >> attacks bringing homeland terror into focus, not only in the united states but in canada. our security experts say the number of people here on the no fly list in the u.s. is 800. we'll get into how they monitor those people but first give us the new details from ottawa. >> look, the big headline has to be this is the future, and it's not to scare. it's to create urgency, little attacks by small-minded people who can buy in to some perverse notion of jihad. that's the threat and that's what we saw here. it started at the national war memorial, then the parliament building, and literally brought ottawa, put it back on its heels in a crippling gridlock. downtown was in lockdown for more than ten hours mostly
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because of the confusion created by this, so many eyewitness accounts there were two, three, five shooters. now authorities say there was one man and he is dead. his name for what it's worth, michael zehaf-bibeau, raised in canada, he has a troubled criminal history and apparently had converted to islam, clearly didn't understand what the faith is supposed to be about, radicalized probably himself, wanted to go to the middle east. how do we know that? officials in canada sought enough information about him to flag him and take his passport. right now there's a big coordinated effort going on between the u.s. and canada to figure out how this man got to this point and what it means going forward. >> we will not be intimidated. canada will never be intimida intimidated. >> reporter: prime minister stephen harper promising justice after what he calls a terrorist attack on canada's capitol. [ gunfire ] 9:52 a.m. >> guys, there is a shooter on
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the loose! >> reporter: shots ring out at the national war memorial in ottawa. >> out of the way! >> move, move! >> just heard a shot and just pow. >> reporter: the shooter, 32-year-old michael he dzehaf- u zehaf-bibeau, a muslim convert but officials say he had a troubled past and was planning to fight overseas. >> a guy came from the side and came out with a rifle and shot at the man, then the guy went falling down. >> reporter: the suspect fatally shooting canadian corporal nathan cirillo, the 24-year-old father was one of two soldiers standing guard. then around 10:00 a.m., the shooter hijacked this car and continued his rampage just a few hundred yards away. entering through doors meant for officials, he starts firing inside canada's parliament building. >> i was literally taking off my coat going into the caucus room and hear this boom, boom, boom.
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>> no, no, no. >> reporter: police scrambling to protect canada's top officials. >> everybody out. >> reporter: rushing them outside to safety. some lawmakers in the building huddle in a caucus room, piling up chairs against the door to barricade themselves in. as police exchange a barrage of bullets with the shooter. >> they are sort of flanking down the hallway and it looked like the guy either popped out or they saw him. they fired a lot. there was a tremendous amount of bullets fired. >> reporter: amid the chaos, parliament sergeant-at-arms kevin vickers fires the fatal shot but not before three others are injured. >> put your hands on your head, all the way down! >> reporter: vickers killing the suspect near the parliamentary library. fellow officers calling him a hero >> when you hear those gunshots and know that your brother was in the middle of all of that was a very sur reel experience and horror. >> reporter: this is the second time this week canada waking up to headlines of terror. on monday, canadian authorities say a radicalized islamist hit
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and killed a canadian soldier with his car. >> i have a chance to talk with prime minister harper. >> reporter: president obama says we have to remain vigilant. >> when it comes to dealing with terrorist activity, that canada and the united states has to be entirely in sync, not only is canada one of our closest allies in the world, but they are our neighbors and our friends. >> reporter: the sun is now up here on the national memorial, on what is certainly not just a new day but a new reality here. we bring in deb feyerick. two layers of analysis. the first is the shooter, who he is and how he got to this point relevant only for what it teaches us about detection and preventi prevention. otherwise he is a meaningless individual as far as we're concerned and then what does this mean about this threat here in canada and in the u.s., going forward? >> well both excellent questions. look, treating terrorism is a very organic process. canadian authorities believe they were doing the right thing by essentially confiscating this man's passport because he had an
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intention to fight jihad. that was the flaw, the vulnerability, they could not detain him, couldn't hold him. they had to keep him under surveillance, they had to monitor him the way they monitor 09 other people. that will be a clear major topic of discussion. the lone wolf attacks it's virtual impossible to stop, individuals that act on their own, they may send out signals on social media, facebook, twitter, letting people know their intentions, their passion for extremism and radicalism. what authorities cannot do is it's almost virtually impossible to know when they're going to strike, how they're going to strike, you know, whether the confiscation of the passport brought this man to the brink, to the edge, whether he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. one of the things that you mentioned, chris, and this is the whole lone wolf thing, there's a lot of crazy out there and when you're dealing with these kinds of people it's not simply that they think they're going to go out as heroes but they also are pre-disposed to this kind of behavior.
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there is a sort of psychosis, they want to do something to be remembered by to fight for the cause. >> the deranged thinking that mistakenly islam is some avenue to dignity for themselves. >> that's exactly right. as you mentioned, look, this is somebody who had a criminal history, sort of a low-level criminal but he was raised in what appears to be a very good family, his father's a businessman, his mother works for the immigration department here so he had all opportunities in order to succeed. there are reports also he went out to western canada, he was working out there as a laborer. so whether he was in search of himself, whether he just wasn't having very much success it's unclear but a lot of these fighters, these terrorists, actually many of them are raised in decent surroundings so it's a balance. >> small-time guy but every intelligence expert i've spoken to on both sides of the border says this is a much bigger thing to work on than a group that wants to kill thousands with a big bomb. >> and look at what they've done, chris. this entire town was shut down so one man, and now there are
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images of lawmakers barricaded inside parliament that are being used by isis propaganda. isis is taking credit for this simply because it succeeded. if it failed nobody would know with this. you see the lockdown, this is what isis and all the other terrorists want. >> but at the same time it's also a message of what a horrible definition someone can have of success and that's something that should certainly be condemned of anyone of sound mind. thank you for the reporting, deb. as deb was mentioning, imagine being a member of parliament in this massive building and gunfire just rocketing around inside of it, the sounds are so booming and not knowing where it was coming from or from how many. one of the men who had to survive that, senator jim munson, member of a liberal party in canada, he was inside parliament during the attack. your wife, senator -- >> good morning, nice to see you. >> -- was near the memorial where it began. >> she was behind the other side of memorial. she let me off at work and was parked just before the light. saw a brown car parked there,
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unusually no flashing lights, saw the gentleman get out of the car, seemed rather strange, got to the passenger side of the car, picked up what appeared to her a blanket and so that's really strange and watched him walk up and as she slowly went by the car there's a traffic jam, looked up again, couldn't hear anything but saw maybe a flint of light. as a gentleman was leaving she saw him coming down what she thought was a pipe but obviously the gun was wrapped in that blanket. so it was unnerving for her, for sure. >> absolutely. and you know, again, thank god that he had a sense of deranged purpose that didn't take him in her direction. >> we could have had a worse tragedy here in ottawa. we lost our innocence yesterday in the capitol. we recognize what happens in washington and westminster and london with the security of the machineguns and so on and so forth. we have good security here but it's an accessible place, accessible parliament hill. >> reporter: more than most capit capitols. the hill is used for yoga and
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people see it as a place to hang out and relax and the security reflects that. >> right, but you know what? that should never change. that can't change. we'll probably have a bigger police presence, obviously that will happen but we can't change the way we are as canadians. we're in part of a coalition and we've got to expect these kind of things to happen in our country. >> reporter: so what happens, senator, when you're in that building and you start hearing the booming? >> first before the booming, security guard ran in, we had a committee going on, and began to yell "get out, get out! there's a gunman here. get out, get out." i thought it was surreal, it was not happening, there was no sense of panic. moments after that, we heard the pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, the sound of guns in the hall of honor. we thought it was outside, it was inside. we went to a place in parliament hill and spent nine hours there, it was a minor inconvenience to what we're thinking of today in this country. you know, you have' lost a lot of soldiers. when we lose one, we hurt, and it's, right now there's a tomb of the unknown soldier there, been there for years.
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now we have a soldier who died on that tomb of the unknown soldier. he's a known soldier and as a nation we are grieving for him. >> in the u.s. when you lose one it hurts and today we're planning a procession of members of parliament, organizing around the senitaph, the unmarked grave and hopefully this becomes a gathering moment for you to figure out what to do going forward because look, you know, the senator was a long time journalist by the way and covered a lot of the same issues we're dealing with today. it's easier to deal with an organized group that wants to kill thousands than stopping deranged people who want to kill one. >> you can't arrest somebody for what he or she thinks. the gentleman in province of quebec that ran over the two soldiers, the police were on to him all the way through but they took his passport away so he couldn't go to the place he wanted to go to kill, so he chose to kill here. this is the kind of society that we live in, in a free society and we should never back down from that.
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i worry about complacenccomplac. i heard this morning on the radio, it was only one man and one gun. it was only one man and one gun with jfk in 196 which changed the face of the world. i don't want to overdramatize this but this is the reality. >> nor to ascribe too much intelligence to the action monday, the goal is to create fear. what is more frightening to your daily reality, the idea someone will fly a plane into a building and kill thousands or someone can come out from a corner and kill you specifically? i think the answer is obvious and that's why you have to deal with the threat. >> we're looking over our shoulders. we thought an ocean separated us from the realities of the world in europe and the middle east, thought a border separated us from some of the problems in the united states. well that's no more, and there are people who are radicalized in this country and i expect we'll see some kind of random attack. >> reporter: so what do you do here, you have a burgeoning muslim community, more than
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200,000 muslims coming into the country a year. you have to presume predominantly they are people who just live their faith the right way. >> absolutely. >>. >> reporter: what do you do to deal with monitoring? >> that's for the security and police to do. we have to show etch thee today for the muslim community because the muslim community -- >> reporter: the true muslim community. >> absolutely, they're being stereotyped and we have to be sensitized to their beliefs and what they are doing, and i think that security, police, social media, wherever we're at that we've got to reach out to the muslim community that we do care about. >> this is a situation obviously we keep saying ottawa, four homicides last year, it is not a city that is used to being under the threat of great violence. this was a wake-up call, we see the situation highly policed. senator, good luck. >> pleasure to talk to you. >> on finding ways forward and the u.s. is coordinating heavily because this is the real threat we're dealing with. >> it's good to have a good neighbor. >> senator, good to have you here and thank god you're safe
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and your wife as well, probably more important. >> absolutely. >> it is fascinating and different to hear how different they operate. and interesting four counts of violence last year. >> people just hop the fence in our capitol, one got into the white house, happened again last night. the threat of small-timers doing small things that can kill people is difficult to deal with and contend ways. we have to find ways, alisyn. >> we'll talk to our security members momentarily. john berman is in for michaela with other top stories. breaking overnight protesters call for officer darren wilson abe arrested. this was a planned demonstration comes after michael brown's autopsy results were leaked claiming the unarmed teen was shot at close range. some analysts suggest the findings corroborate officer wilson's story that he and the
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teen struggled in or near his patrol car before he shot brown dead. a 3-month-old girl from the united states was killed and eight others hurt when a car slammed into them in a jerusalem tram stop. the driver identified police as a palestinian from east jerusalem, died after he was shot by officers as he tried to get away. officials say they are treating this as a terrorist act. with they say the suspect had been locked up in prison for "terrorism." the u.s. military will be tasked with training moderate syrian fighters to defend syrian territory rather than seize it back from isis according to "the washington post." the fighter will be flown to saudi arabia where they'll be trained for eight weeks. the first units expected to be deployed within six months. president obama made it clear he does not want american ground troops in syria. so a mishap of sorts on the tarmac in minneapolis. the two delta planes clipped wings wednesday night as they were taxiing away from the gate.
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i believe we have a picture of one of the passengers as he took it from the plane. there it is, one flight was headed to los angeles with 171 passengers on board, the other headed to louisville with 74 passengers. no one was injured but the planes were damaged and as a result, people were put on different planes bound for their destinations. >> you can't fly when the ping is tilted up. >> not supposed to happen that way. >> john, thank you. we have more ahead on the canada attack, the shooter's bizarre past and how it led to this violent end. what was his motivation? plus the white house's security scare went much better last night. another man jumps the fence but this time they released the guard dogs. he's facing charges. we'll show you what happened. thoughtfully crafted and intelligently designed. with available forward collision warning and new blind spot monitor and a 2014 top safety pick plus rating.
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this morning we're learning the ottawa shooter visited the u.s. at least four times. u.s. law enforcement now tracing his travels to try to interview the people that he came in contact with. they're looking for clues as to what might have motivated him to shoot and kill a canadian soldier and open fire in the country's parliament. let's bring in cnn counterterrorism terrorist and former counterterrorism official philip mudd, tom fuentes and of course chris cuomo will join us from ottawa. phil, let's talk about some of the clues at least that we're
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reading about the shooter's background. according to media reports he was a bit of a petty criminal, mentally unstable. his friends described him as becoming more extreme. he talked about devils on earth and devils inside of him and he had his passport frozen by officials. so what does that tell you, philip? >> this tells me this is the same as 5,000 cases i saw at the fbi. that's the problem. you have to do tiering of threat. you're looking at so many cases, the public is looking at one in isolation today, the fbi at the hoover building in washington is looking at 1,000, 5,000 of these today. you've got to look at individuals with this background and play some poker. which one's going to turn tomorrow and take a shot. that's what you do when you're in the threat businesser day and that's where why this is frustrating. you just can't tell who is going to turn on that list of 1,000 or 5,000 every single day. >> tom, the fact that we his passport frozen, does that mean that they would have been monitoring him closely? >> well it means they were
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monitoring him but you know, how closely is a matter of resources you have, as phil mentioned, thousands of people on these watchlists. the united states, the t.i.d.e. list, terrorist identities data wide environment, counterterrorism center has 875,000 names on it, according to "the washington post" reporting. so there's no way for these agencies to monitor closely. what is possible and the rcmp in canada has a terrific outreach program to go to the mosque and have outreach in these communities because we heard this guy had trouble and the people in the mosque thought he was a troublemaker, and we saw that same thing with tamerlan tsarnaev the boston marathon bomber that was killed touring that week that people in the mosque he went to threw him out because of the way he acted during prayer ceremonies. >> you're right, people in mosques have been very helpful and instrumental to law enforcement to flag people
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within the mosque when they are becoming extremists. i want to play you something the congressman ed royce told erin burnett last night about how many people are on the watchlist. listen to this. >> one of the real challenges under british law and to some extent in canada is that they're trying to monitor and follow known individuals with jihadist intentions, and trying to catch them in the act and of course, that's a very, very difficult thing to do, and canada, there are 90 people on this list. >> philip, 90 people on the list in canada. do we know how many people are on the list if there is such a list, the watchlist here in the united states? >> this depends on how you count watchlists. let me give you a couple ways to think about this. there's a travel watchlist, anybody potentially who touches a terrorist, anybody who might have either purposely or narder have tently transferred number to a terrorist might be on a
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watchlist for a pull aside at the airport. that's different than the tiering you might do in the morning threat briefing at the fbi and sitting down saying look, we've got to figure out top tier, not just who might have touched a terrorist but who merits something like 4/7 surveillance. that's a very, very small list of people, because that's really difficult to do. it takes a lot of people to do it, and it's really expensive. so a lot of watchlists around but people like this are a dime a dozen, i hate to tell you. you can't follow all of them. >> right, so you know, listening to the conversation, tom and phil, weigh in on this perspective. this is difficult. we get it. however, it is also very clearly the new and most distinctive threat that we have to deal with, not just in canada but certainly in the u.s. on a lot of levels it would be easier for this to happen in the u.s. we know that the chatter is out there. we know that they are asking for this unsophisticated type to take up a deranged message and act on their own in a crude way,
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so what do you do, tom fuentes and phil, give us your best take. >> well do you what we just mentioned with outreach in the community, try to get families, which we've had, report their sons to the police or the fbi, people in the mosque that think someone is maybe having mental problems and really isn't there because of true religious purposes but you know, that merits watching by law enforcement. you try to have the kind of outreach that people will report to you and let you know when someone's crossed the mind. the authorities can't watch everybody nor read everybody's mind to know when they go from thinking bad thoughts to doing bad things. >> just from my perspective there's a couple of things you got to think about here. one is the debate we heard after edward snowden, in a civil society in an open democracy, how much do you want your security services watching what people are saying online? i don't know what this fellow said online but there's a lot of
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people who use civil liberties in this country for hate speech. should we be watching people who use hate speech as a way to spread a message that motivates people like that. the second message, chris, is really important. if you're in the security service you want backup from your politicians. they've got to get out and say every time you have an incident like this, it's not an opportunity to go and ask what went wrong. sometimes people just go bad and you have to have politicians say in a violent society with what we're seeing in iraq, sometimes bad things happen, and it ain't always because of security service makes a mistake. >> speaking of what happens online, i want to show you both and all of our viewer this is propaganda video that isis put out last summer that may help explain how westerners like canadians and americans can get roped into this. this is a video that was reportedly put together by a canadian convert to isis. watch this. >> my brother in islam in syria, i originally come from canada. ♪
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i watched hockey, i went to the cottage in the summertime. i love to fish. i wanted to go hunting. then i was guided from the darkness to the light of imam to islam. >> tom, quickly, i don't get it when i watch that video, doesn't make sense but he says he was guided to the light of islam. is that appealing to some people like this shooter who might be memory unstable? >> apparently if it you're a stupid, unstable 18-year-old t sounds great to you. >> got it. i mean that's who they're preying on, right, phil? >> that's right. in this case what you're looking at is not somebody joining isis. you're looking at an unstable 18 years old as tom said who is going out saying i want to protect innocent women and children and there's other people like me out there. let me go join. >> philip mudd, tom fuentes thanks so much. always great to have your expertise.
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>> you're welcome. >> thank you. >> chris? >> it's a shining light, the question is who is shining the light on these people, when they approach what they think is islam. that's one of the big challenges here. in ottawa, as they look into this situation, to figure out why it happened, details are emerging, the investigation still very ongoing into why this ottawa shooting happened at all, and what it means going forward. what do we know about what this shooter's mission was ultimately. we have ottawa's police chief joining us live to discuss. stay with us. [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman, we know in the cyber world, threats are always evolving. at first, we were protecting networks. then, we were protecting the transfer of data. and today it's evolved to infrastructure...
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welcome back to "new day." we are live in ottawa, canada now, the morning after a soldier was killed at the city's war memorial right over my shoulder here. after that, the same gunman entered parliament hill causing a massive lockdown. no details about the shooter. his name michael zehaf-bibeau, he has a criminal past, a troubled past, a past of addiction. he sought out iz lament for some type of redemption and clearly became radicalized and confused
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what the faith was about. his passport was confiscated so canadian authorities were onto him but ultimately he was able to get a gun and try to kill as many people as he could. we have police chief charles bordeleau with us now. thank you, i know it's a busy day for you. >> good morning. >> behind us there's still forensic activity going on at the crime scene. that's the purpose. this isn't about the fear of the unknown. it's bedealing with what happened. >> our officers are conducting investigation and gathering evidence and hope to have this reopened to the public today. >> what is your takeaway from what happened yesterday and why? >> the first thing is our condolences to corporate cirilo's family, members of the canadian forces. there's a large presence of canadian forces in ottawa and i spoke with the chief of defense and expressed our condolences and reassured him we are there to support hem and do everything we can to make sure ottawa remains safe and secure and i think it's yesterday's incident is a reminder of the reality of the threat that exists around
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terrorism in our country and abroad, and i was proud of the response of the officers involved, and the collaboration that existed with the rcp and other security staff on the hill and the broad response from interest the community as well as far as them trying to help corporate cirillo and the interventions that have taken place. >> by any measure you do a great job of policing here in ottawa. i've been citing all morning four homicides you've dealt with here and this of course the fifth being with reserve sergeant cirillo. when you look at yesterday, there was chaos when he got into parliament hill, lots of different agencies involved running around trying to figure out what was going on, multiple reports of multiple shooters, what is going to kang? >> these situations are fluid and dynamic as your listeners can appreciate. the house set a common security staff in the senate, we train, plan and exercise and what you saw yesterday is that response, that coordinated response to
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identify the threat and mobilize that threat and that worked out very well but like with any incident, there will be a review and then there will be some recommendations to identify are there potential gaps that exist in the response or the work that needs to take place and we'll be participating in that review with the other public safety partners in ottawa. >> do you see a change in day life in ottawa in terms of how secure your sensitive areas are? >> i think you'll see in ottawa increased presence from police officers and other public safety partners and that's i think the reality within the next little while. the threat level has changed in canada as far as going from low to medium and you're seeing a response by all police services in canada, increasing their presence and to reassure the community that we are safe. however the threat exists in our communities. >> it's a little perverse and counter intuitive but a lot of people this morning are saying hey, look, just one guy and
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thank god they only got one guy and this is, it's better this way but in truth, this is harder for you as a police force to deal with than the specter of stopping an organized group who wants to take out thousands. this is something that can happen anyway. >> that's a challenge with the threats we're facing with isis and the methods they seem to be promoting when you have that lone wolf individual. it's a challenge to identify and predict, but the best we can do is to continue to work with our partners at the rcp, to identify the potential threats and to prevent them from taking place if it they do exist and then increase our response capabilities when they do happen. >> canada is known, compared to the u.s. for having tougher gun laws. he had a single shot rifle yesterday, not a semiautomatic, right? >> i'm not, i know it's a rifle. >> that's our understanding of it. obviously a permitting process is a little different, but the canadian authorities knew enough
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to flag his passport and take it. yet he was still able to buy a gun assuming he did it legally. does it give you any thought what you have to do with gun policy going forward? >> i can't comment specifically as to his past and history and how he obtained a firearm. ment that's work the rcp will be doing and i'm sure if there's any opportunity to bolster our gun laws that we will do so. we live in a safe country. ottawa is very safe but these incidents are certainly an awakening and bring the reality of that threat that exists. >> chief, there's a big effort to learn from this and move forward. reporters are gathering here, there will be a procession around the national war memorial to remember what happened here and to try and move forward as a community and get stronger from it. chief, sorry to meet you under these circumstances, but i wish you good luck going forward. >> thanks very much. thanks for the community, they rallied together with broad support. >> thanks, chief.
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good luck. alisyn back to you. >> the community there is strong. another fence jumper to tell you about at the white house, this time the secret service and the guard dogs were on their game. we'll go to the white house for what happened. >> and protests erupting when it in ferguson, missouri. people are angry about details leaking out from the grand jury investigation into michael brown's death. the brown family attorney is speaking out. hello... i'm an idaho potato farmer and our big idaho potato truck is still missing. so my buddy here is going to help me find it. here we go. woo who, woah, woah, woah. it's out there somewhere spreading the word about americas favorite potatoes: heart healthy idaho potatoes and the american heart association's go red for women campaign. if you see it i hope you'll let us know. always look for the grown in idaho seal.
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time for the five things you need to know for your new day. canada's prime minister says the
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shooting death of a soldier at the national war memorial in ottawa was an act of terror. the shooter was killed when he opened fire inside the parliament building. a white house fence jumper tackled by secret service dogs, police say 23-year-old dominic arasagnia was unarmed. this is the second security breach in the white house in about a month. president obama says he is cautiously optimistic that the country may be turning the corner on ebola. the cdc though being vigilant saying it will track all airline passengers coming in from the three ebola hot spots in west africa. they will track the passengers for 21 days. overnight protesters in ferguson, missouri, with new calls for officer darren wilson to be arrested after michael brown's autopsy results were leaked. some analysts suggest the findings corroborate officer wilson's account that he fired in self-defense. and it is all tied up in the world series, after the royals beat the giants 7-2. that makes it 1-1 game apiece.
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it shifts to san francisco for the next three games, a 2-3-2 format which i'm against. game three friday night in san francisco. go to for the latest. >> it's possible you missed your calling with your announcer voice, john berman. there's been another security breach at the white house, after jumping the white house fence a man was tackled by secret service k-9s, the second fence jumping incident in a little over a month. this time the secret service was prepared for it. michelle kosinski is live at the white house. what was different this time? >> alisyn right another white house fence jumper. this time the president was here, but another big difference, the secret service taketown. they showed no hesitation in using the dogs and this 23-year-old fence jumper from maryland was no match for them. just after he made it over the fence you could see the dogs
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right there. he actually tried to do battle with them, kicking one, wrestling another, but they got him to the ground, and moments later could you cece create service officers there. they say adasania was not armed, he was taken to the hospital and charged with assaulting the dogs, unlawful entry, making threats. they said there were other outstanding warrants on him as well. by the way also the dogs were treated for minor injuries in this. at this point doesn't look like any kind of a terrorist threat. family member told reporters that avisania is disturbed and was arrested outside the white house two months ago for hassling the secret service and wanting to talk to the president. this morning we don't see a big change in security here. it already was increased and very tight after that last fence jumper just a few weeks ago, and you still see that there is a temporary shorter fence about eight feet away from the tall fence so it's strange to see that somebody can still jump over both of them but law enforcement sources close to this say unless there is a big
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change like a higher fence, this is still a possibility, but they say what's important is that the secret service response be immediate and strong, alisyn. >> release the hounds, as they say. >> the hounds from hell. >> exactly, michelle kosinski thanks so much. protesters in ferguson are clashing with police overnight as the attorney for michael brown's family speaks out on newed of and a leak some say could keep officer wilson from facing dmarnlgz micharges in mi brown's death. we'll explain all of that, next. [ female announcer ] you change your style.
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overnight protesters in ferguson, missouri, calling again for the arrest of officer darren wilson as new details about michael brown's official autopsy emerge. the report has been leaked to the media. it suggests there may be forensic evidence showing that brown was not shot with his hands up. in addition, the grand jury reportedly heard testimony from about a half a dozen eyewitnesses, all african-americans, that correlates with officer darren wilson's account of what led him to shoot and kill the unarmed teenager in august. let's talk about all of this with cnn contributor and legal analyst mel robbins and liz brown, columnist. liz, i want to start with you and this new report in "the washington post," which is staggering, to learn that seven or eight they say african-american witnesses have come forward to the grand jury and said that they are
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corroborating and supporting officer wilson's account. what do we know about this, liz? >> well, what we know about it is, has to be framed in terms of how this entire grand jury has been prosecuted, how the grand jury has been put together and what information that we've been given. the fact that we know anything at all about any of those witnesses is astounding, because of, that this information is being leaked. so do we trust that the same entity, the same person, the same prosecutor, bob mccullough, do we trust that this person is being fair and impartial with this case, and this is a very calculated thing to get to, very calculated bit of information to say that witnesses corroborate darren wilson's testimony, and that it'sic calculated to say ty are african-american, two calculated statements that get to the heart of what has been said about this case from the very beginning. it's very calculated.
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>> you are not alone in your thinking. that is exactly what michael brown's family attorney told cnn. let's listen to his thoughts. >> i think we all have to be very concerned that someone would leak the autopsy report to the "st. louis post dispatch." i think the brown family all along has had serious concerns about whether or not they could really get justice. this leak doesn't help their confidence at all. in fact it hurts the confidence of the general public can have in this process. >> the feeling is that these leaks are going out because they're trying to basically soften up the protesters in the event that they're not going to indict the officer. >> yes, exactly, in fact, you know, the leaks are inappropriate. they're not surprising. this is a police department that released the videotape of michael brown and the strongarm robbery that happened before the shooting as a means to get out in front of the story, so leaks happen a lot in big cases like this. the "new york times" is
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reporting the autopsy was released by the feds, so while it is completely inappropriate, i don't think it is surprising at all, alisyn. >> let's talk about the substance of what "the washington post" is saying in their report this morning. now, they cite unnamed sources. they say the sources have not come forward in the public because they're afraid to do so. is it possible to imagine that seven or eight african-american witnesses have come forward to support officer wilson? >> no. well, let's look at the whole issue of fear. i believe really that if a police officer is going to say that they were fearful of an actions by an african-american person, they have to first prove that they have no racial animous. what happened in this case it's based on the fear of an african-american person. we have hundreds of years of history to get us to this place so of course they're going to say it's fear, and they're also talking about michael brown as this big, black african-american
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man i was so fearful of my life, he was incredibly strong, all of the language that has -- >> hold on a second. let's take common sense for a second. >> what the officer is saying he was afraid this thank his gun was being taken by michael brown. he never said that he was afraid of a black man. he's saying that michael brown was reaching for his gun and that is what started the altercation in the car. >> it would be amazing in america at any time for a person to admit to racial amimou. we have to look at this within the circumstances and context of what is being said. he says -- wait a minute, he says he's an incredibly strong individual. all of these words that are historically and typically used to define african-american people and within the report itself, he said that he was incredibly strong. in the report he said he was fearful of what do we have to get to that? we have the tape that was released inappropriately, but intentionally, so that when you -- >> let's talk about what you're asking about which are the
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witnesses. if you're somebody that saw this and you have the opinion and you back up what the officer says, what motivation do you have to come forward and talk to the public when there are protests going on, when the situation in ferguson is like a powder keg waiting to go off, because tensions are incredibly high. i don't think anybody would want to be the person saying hey, wait a minute, i actually support the police officer. the truth will come out. >> here's one thing we'll agree on, that is that we don't know which part of the officers story the witnesses corroborate and everybody, including michael brown's friend who was on the scene said there was an altercation inside the car. >> good point. go ahead, last word. >> and here is the other point. this is about whether or not this entire police department, this entire police process, everything that has been done by this prosecutor has credibility,
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and this prosecutor has done little to nothing to show anybody that's looking at this, to show the world that he is to be trusted in this, that he has been fair and impartial with this, so anything that they have to say about corroboration is going to be met with skepticism and also has to be framed in terms of the issue of race. >> in fact that is what we're seeing skepticism of the demonstrators last night. >> i think we see a mess of a case with multiple witnesses and different perspectives. >> we don't no he what was taken to the grand jury. >> liz brown, mel robbins, we'll see what happens in a couple of weeks with the indictment whether or not it happens. thanks so much. much more on the deadly shooting in canada and what we're learn being the gunman, what motivated him and is the u.s. at risk of a similar attack? at t-mobile,
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californians are discovering the real risks behind prop 46. it was written and paid for by the trial lawyers to make them millions... while, for the rest of us, health care costs go up.
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no wonder every major newspaper in the state opposes prop 46. they say 46 "overreached in a decidedly cynical way." it's a ploy "for trial lawyers to enrich themselves." and pr 46 has "too many potential drawbacks to be wortthe risk." time to vote no on prop 46. -- captions by vitac -- we're here live in canada, behind me is the national war memorial. as you can see people are gathering for what we believe will be a procession of the public and parliament. they're marking the tragedy that happened here and also a signal of their resolve of the community to deal with a threat that is very real. the map who did the shooting is dead, the threat is all too
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alive here in canada, but even more so in the united states. that's why we'll be following this story all day with the developments to come. alisyn, john, that's it for us. lot of news. let's start following it right now in "the newsroom" with carol costello. >> thanks so all of you. have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. good morning to you, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. so-called sleepy nation awakens today to a sobering, new reality. terrorism may have driven a gunman's deranged attack on canada's laid back capitol. happening right now, you can see it there, hundreds of lawmakers and other citizens now gathering at the war memorial where the gunman began his attack by murdering a soldier on duty there. the killer then burst into the nation's parliament building and opened fire before being killed in an explosion of gunfire himself.


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