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lags unit as officials trace his movements since he's been back. officials say he had no symptoms until thursday, when he was rushed to the hospital. before that, however, he was out and about in the city. riding the subway, bowling. and other things, that they're still trying to discover. >> that is troubling to many new yorkers, that he was out in the general public. spencer's fiancee and two close friends are now under quarantine, being monitored. new york's mayor insists there's no cause for alarm. the cdc has dispatched a go team to new york to help with the ebola response, our coverage begins with cnn's poppy harlow, at bellevue hospital where spencer is being treated. >> good morning to you, alisyn and chris. this is the designated hospital to deal with the situation just like this at this hour. the 33-year-old doctor is being treated here, two priorities -- save his life and contain this virus in new york city. new york's governor, andrew cuomo, saying the city is as
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ready as can be for this. >> we want to state at the outset, there is no reason for new yorkers to be alarmed. >> this morning, the first positive case of ebola hits new york city. 33-year-old dr. craig spencer now in an isolation unit like this one, at manhattan's bellevue hospital. dr. spencer returned to new york after treating ebola patients in guinea, last friday. though doctors say he wasn't symptomatic until yesterday. october 14th, dr. spencer flies from guinea to brussels belgium, arriving at new york's jfk airport, showing no symptoms on his journey. on tuesday, spencer feels tired and fatigued. he was self-monitoring for symptoms, taking his temperature twice a day. without fever. wednesday he goes on a run, eats at a restaurant and visits a popular park, the highline. he travels from manhattan to
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brooklyn on the subway and takes an uber taxi to go bowling in brooklyn. thursday morning, spencer develop as fever and immediately contacts doctors without borders, who calls the health departme department. he's rushed to bellevue hospital and put direct entry isolation. later testing positive for ebola. authorities reiterated thursday that careful protocols were followed smoothly at every step and for new yorkers the risk is close to nil. >> he was not symptomatic at that time. he had no fever. so he did not have a stage of decent that creates a risk of contagiousness on the subway. >> the city now on heightened alert. >> drilling from airports to transportations to subway stations, to ambulances to hospitals, so we are as ready as
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one could be. >> health officials note three people had contact with spencer, two friends and his fiancee, all doing well, but in quarantine. >> i can tell you officials have ruled out the uber cab driver as a contact. therefore, that person is not in quarantine. columbia presbyterian hospital where doctor spencer is employed issued a statement calling him a committed and responsible physician, saying importantly he has not been back to work, he has not treated any patient since returning from guinea. importantly, his condition, what do we know at this hour? the only word we've gotten is from new york city mayor bill de blasio, who said yesterday that he is in quote good shape, we also heard from a doctor in the press conference last night, saying any are looking forward to a speedy recovery so our thoughts are with the 33-year-old doctor, who frankly it's important to note in all of this, gave of himself to go to guinea to help save lives for all of the people suffering
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there from ebola. chris? >> thanks, poppy, strong points. let's bring dr. alexander van tulleken in, senior fellow at the institutes for international humanitarian affairs and dr. kent shepkowitz, deputy chief at memorial sloan-koettering cancer center, "daily beast" contributor. what starts with what matters most. from what we know, doc, should he be okay? >> in terms of his survivor from the disease? he's been exposed to a really dangerous disease, all the questions of whether or not he's been responsible. he's facing a really seriously -- we don't know how bad the prognosis is but potentially you know, 10, 15, 20% mortality for someone like him. he's going to be very worried. >> did he do the right thing here? >> absolutely. i think even though there's, the story is quickly becoming how he had fun in new york city, we know from years now, when ebola
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is contagious and when it's not contagious, and i hope that the lessons learned from dallas where we had a guy living much sicker than dr. spencer, living with family for days, exposing them, but not infecting them, i would hope that that observed, collectively observed fact would assuage some of the discomfort that people are having. he's put no one at risk at all other than his close contacts and the health care workers at bellevue. >> i want to talk about that, that's hard for people to digest at some levels. >> i know. >> the extreme of the position would be why don't you quarantine anyone who has been in contact with an ebola patient just to be safe. >> there's a very good answer to that. is that you're dealing with the cost-benefit analysis. the cost of doing that is massive. msf alone. doctors without borders has sent about 300 people overseas, 300 health care workers coming back. we're talking about 18 years of
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work lost as a result of those people being quarantined. the benefits, as we say are probably close to zero, if not zero absolutely. so the benefit we get from doing that is very small and the cost is massive. it means that an organization like doctors without borders, the only organization that's been doing the bulk of work in this will find it harder to recruit and harder to stop the progress. >> from what we've heard so far from authorities, do you think they know what they're doing and have handled it the right way. >> i think new york looks very competent. very together. the way the ambulance went there the ambulance workers were prepared. the hospital is prepared. i think they absolutely no what they're doing. >> now let's get to what the big frustration is. it's frustrating for you guys to keep answering it. everyone keeps answering this. either you have it or you don't. this ebola seems to confuse the truism. if i'm rubbing my nose and kind of sneezing and you ask me if i'm sick and i say yeah, i'm not
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contagious, we know that's a big lie. but it seems with ebola, it seems that you're consistently giving to the unininitiated the wrong message. >> the reason we do the contact trace something because we want to know everything that happened to him. maybe he cut himself on the subway. maybe he was sick on the subway. maybe there is an exposure that needs to be traced down. you have to do the contact tracing. >> but you said you can't get it unless there's stuff all over you. the story we're hearing is true, we have no reason to believe it's not. he didn't have a temperature. therefore the virus might have been detectible in his blood, but it would have been at such low levels that he's not at risk of spreading it on. i said it last night on cnn, i would bowl at that alley today, he lives five blocks from my house, he drinks at the bar i drink at. i would happily go for drinks there tonight. i would not be worried about that. >> is this the statement of someone who is an untreatable
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alcoholic or somewhat who is real where the risk lies? >> the risk has to be said to be zero. >> why did they shut down the bowling alley? >> what we have is a real patient who has exposed a couple of people, his fiancee and a few others to the possibility of contracting ebola. and we have eight million worried people who feel somehow threatened by this. >> one is quite rational, science-based. the other is the cloud of excitement and panic. that follows this around that is unrelated to science or reality. >> let's deal with what you say is the best idea of reality. people in new york city are waking up this morning. they're an edgy bunch, it's in a very dense city, we have our germ phobia issues, how worried should you be on the subway. now that it's here, will it
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spread faster? what do you say? >> i would not be worried about the spread. there are two different people who could be worrying. people who live in the city, i would say they should not change their behavior. they should go to the bowling alley. we need bowling alleys not to close but the city officials seem to be employing the appropriate amount of worry. they want to make sure they've locked down the possibilities of it being transmitted as the level of virus in his blood increases. they seem to be worried. it's right that they're worried. rest of us -- business as usual. >> thank you both very much for keeping it even keel on this. it will be very edgy around here for sure. alisyn? as you know this morning, ebola is not the only scare here in new york city, take a look at this chilling surveillance video. it captures a man with a hatchet, about to attack four police officers. the attacker was shot and killed after injuring two of those officers. given the attack in ottawa on wednesday, there are fears that the new york attack was not a random crazy man on the street,
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but possibly another case of islamic extremism. alexander field has the latest on the dramatic attack. what do we know? >> a horrifying hideous attack. you see the man holding the hatchet, it raises fear for a lot of people. two officers bravely able to stop him by shooting him and killing him. now there are a lot of questions about what motivated this attack. this morning, law enforcement authorities on heightened alert after this terrifying axe attack in queens yesterday. the assault caught on camera, watch as this man rushes at four nypd officers, a metal hatchet in hand. the suspect hitting one in the arm, striking another in the head. before two uninjured officers shoot and kill him. law enforcement officials say it appears the suspect was stalking the officers, hiding behind a bus shelter, waiting to attack. the suspect identified as zal h. thompson, cnn learning he has a criminal record in california,
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was discharged from the navy for misconduct. on a facebook page bearing his name and location in queens, the the profile photo shows an armed spear. a quote from the koran, judging those who have wandered astray. the beautal assault comes on the heels of heightened security across north america, after radical jihadists threatened to attack military and police officers and two attacks in canada believed to be motivated by islamic extremism. authorities are investigating any possible links thompson might have had to extremist groups. >> there's nothing we know as of this time that would indicate that were the case. i think certainly the heightened concerns relative to that type of assault based on what's just happened in canada. >> both officers struck by thompson's axe, now recovering at jamaica hospital. an additional person, a 29-year-old bystander was shot in the back during a scuffle. she was taken to the hospital,
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but her condition remains unknown. >> at this point there's a lot we still do not know about thompson. but the context here is important given the recent call of isis to sympathizers in the west to perpetuate these attacks on uniformed people. given the backdrop of the events in canada, there's a lot that authorities feel they need to learn about thompson now. >> i believe that the isis spokesman even mentioned use an axe if you must. if you don't have access to a gun, use whatever you can. alexandra, thanks so much for all the information. so as police here in new york investigate the attacker's background, we're learning more about the gunman in ottawa this morning and his links to islamic extremism. are there more of these one-off deranged men looking for some sense of warped meaning in their lives and how do we stop them? plus chilling new video of the moments he carried out the attack. "new day" returns for you in a moment. con. what will we do with all of these dead mice?
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deadly rampage. sources tell cnn the 32-year-old had social media links to jihadists in canada, including one who went to fight in syria. and as canada mourned, a man in new york city attacked four nypd officers, injuring two. now his social media activity also draws questions about connections to radical islam. so is this a pattern? or is this one fool following another? is if this is the ongoing threat, how can law enforcement keep it from becoming a trend? we're going to cover this in a very full way. let's begin with cnn's ana cabrera live from ottawa what do we know? >> good morning, chris, we know this gunman came to ottawa on october 2nd. apparently he wanted to get a passport. his mother revealing to authorities that he may have planned to go to syria. as investigators continue their probe into his background, we also have the new video to share this morning, of wednesday's attack. that began here, at canada's
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national war memorial. this surveillance video released by canadian police thursday gives a chilling play-by-play of the shooting rampage on ottawa's parliament hill, the 32-year-old shooter, michael zehaf-bibeau is seen running from car after gunning down a soldier. spotting his gun, some bystanders run in fear, others rush to cirillo's aid. >> there are four or five people around this fallen soldier working as a team. >> next, he hijacks a car, the driver seen running away. a different angle shows the suspect running into a parliament building with canadian police giving chase. inside parliament shots fired. moments later, sergeant at arms, kevin vickers, shoots and kills the suspect on the scene as parliament reconvened thursday, vickers' bravery was honored by a standing ovation. now, authorities are learning
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more about a possible motive. looking into zehaf-bibeau's suspected ties to islamic extremists in canada via the internet. >> i think the passport figured prominently if his motives and i'm not inside his head, but i think it was central to what was driving him. >> authorities believe that prior to his attack, bibeau had converted to islam and say he was applying for a canadian passport to travel to syria. those actions tipped off police to conduct a background check this man told cnn's martin savidge that he and bibeau were staying at the ottawa mission for homeless men and he talked to him about travel plans. >> he wanted to go back to india apparently. i don't know if that's where he was from or just wanted to go or -- to take part in whatever is going on over there. >> in 2011, facing robbery charges, zehaf-bibeau underwent a psychiatric evaluation. doctors told the judge that the suspect was convicted to crack
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cocaine and he wanted to go do jail to break the addiction and as a sacrifice to pay for his mistakes. now given zehaf-bibbeau's criminal record including violence and drugs, authorities tell us he was on their radar. but we know he was never on the 90 or so names list of sorts that were considered high-risk threats. he wasn't on that list. we know u.s. authorities are also investigating whether the suspect had any communication with islamic extremists inside the u.s. or suspected extremists inside the u.s. we know he had traveled to the united states several times. chris? >> ana, it is a dangerous combination. people with a troubled past, desperate for meaning, and seeking it in the form of religion and violence. thank you for the report and we'll continue the conversation. alisyn? we see some pieces of that with the new york city attack. for moore details on the attack on the nypd and the threat of similar attacks, let's bring in
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cnn's national security analyst, juliette kayyem, the former assistant secretary to the department of homeland security and paul cruickshank. >> i want to play a part of the disturbing surveillance camera. a camera on top of a building in new york, you can see this man coming with a hatchet from around the corner, this is at 2:00 p.m. in the afternoon, the police were just posing for some pictures with some passers by and this is what happens. juliette, ha do you see here? >> well i saw this for the first time on air last night. and i think the words "my god" came out of my mouth. because there's a brazenness to it and even an intimacy, if that's the right word. a lot of terrorist attacks are, are big. like 9/11 or there's something anonymous about them. this is you know, sort of -- you're, it could be anyone. you could be standing on that subway and that's been isis or those who might follow that kind
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of terrorism. that has been their ability to create more fear than, than their numbers, right? it's the long videos of a decapitation that we see come omg of the middle east or something like this. and this is someone who didn't care if he was caught or didn't care if he was identified. the biggest issue now is obviously force protection for our police officers and our military. because the word has gone out by isis or other groups and there are people sitting, listening to them who may have you know, mental disorders. may be looking for a higher cause. who are going to focus on police or military at this stage. >> we don't know, paul if that's what happened. we don't know if he was taking his orders from isis. here's what precious little we do know about him. he had a facebook page and this is according to his friends, this was really his facebook page, it shows an african-american islamist warrior armed with a sword, a spear and a rifle and there's a
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quote from the koran in arabic, talking about judgment against those who have gone astray. what does that tell us? >> that's the first verse of the koran that you see on his facebook page. there's nothing definitively radical about his facebook page. i think the nypd is concerned that this could have some link to islamic extremism. we don't know that for sure yet. there's obviously a lot of concern because there have been two fatal islamist terrorist attacks in canada this week and isis itself have called for lone wolf attacks in the united states, including against police officers, including with knives. when i see these images i recall the attack in london in east london in 2013 when two radicalized nigerians killed police on the streets of london. >> given that scant information on his facebook page, none of it screams anything imminent is going to happen. what will the police do next?
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>> they'll try to access his internet action. look at all of those kinds of things, interview people close to him to build up a profile picture of this guy. >> we know he had a criminal record in california. we don't know for what. also the navy, had discharged him for disorderly conduct. >> so again he seems to be fitting the profile of a wayward person, sort of on the margins of society. sporadically employed. are these the people most susceptible? >> it may be. there is a pattern emerging that's very different than the sort of traditional pattern of the disciplined sort of under the radar terrorist organization that has no you know, you can't, you don't know who they are because they're not committing crimes beforehand. you can't think of the 19 men on 9/11. all of them were you know, were never on anyone's radar screen. the kind of terrorist or the kind of activity we're seeing now, i'll be careful with my language, is people who have run
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into the law for other reasons, been discharged from the military. wayward may be the right word to use. then may get impassioned by some cause that gives them meaning. we don't know the last link. but i'll tell you in a week in which we've seen three incidences it's got to be at the top of the mind of every investigator right now and it should be. >> here's what you were referring to, the spokesperson for isis last month put out this directive to anyone, and let me read a portion of it for you. if you are not able to find an ied or a bullet, then single out the disbelieving american, frenchman or any of their allies, smash his head with a rock or slaughter him with a knife or run him over with your car. and two of those things have happened in the past week, counting canada, as well as the gun attack. so it's hard not to draw the parallel, but it's impossible to know at this point if it is connected. >> well that's absolutely right
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and this fatwa by the isis spokesman a month ago was a game-changer. because isis supporters in the west view isis leaders as the divinely ordained rulers of muslims worldwide. when they put out statements like this, they carry out, even more impact than what bin laden or zawahiri or leaders of al qaeda were putting out in years before. they make a very, very big impact. there's a lot of concern. we could see more of this in the days and weeks ahead. >> why do they carry more power than something that bin laden would have put have out. >> they've declared themselves to be an islamic state and an islamic caliphate. they believe they are the justifiable rulers of muslims worldwide. that they can issue fatwas, these people are saying it's your religious duty to launch attacks in the west. if you don't do that you'll be punished. if you do do that, you'll be rewarded in the afterlife. >> thank you both. let's go over to chris.
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as if an axe-wielding maniac weren't enough to worry about, new york city's mayor is also trying to calm fears because the city's first case of ebola has been confirmed. did the patient put others at risk by eating out, going bowling, riding the subway? all before being hospitalized. we're going to have medical experts weigh in on what the real risk to others is. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities.
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welcome back to "new day," there's a lot of news this morning. let's get to john berman in for michaela. >> the first confirmed case of ebola in new york city. 33-year-old dr. craig spencer is in isolation at new york's bellevue hospital. dr. spencer returned last week from guinea where he treated ebola patients. he apparently had been jogging, bowling and on the subway. not long before his diagnosis. health officials say that was before he displayed symptoms, though. spencer's fiancee and two friends now under quarantine and ebola has spread to mali for the first time. a 2-year-old girl was diagnosed. she travelled from guinea where her father died from the disease. turkey's government giving the green light for hundreds of iraqi peshmerga fighters to cross territory and go into northern syria.
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helping to defend kobani in the battle against isis. president obama will meet with the national security council to discuss isis strategy. arrest warrants now out for the former mayor of iguala, a city in mexico and his wife. they're being called probable masterminds of last month's kidnapping of 43 students. mexico's attorney general says they gave orders to prevent students from protesting after learning they might disrupt one of the first lady's events. well-known priest and activist says the students were taken to a remote location and shot. while others were burned alive. the issue surrounding ebola center stage in a new hampshire senate debate moderated by our own wolf blitzer. the republican challenger scott brown blasted the obama administration's response to ebola and reiterated calls for a travel ban. but the incumbent democrat jean shaheen says brown was fear-mongering since neither is a medical expert. she pushed for faith in the public health system. that's a close race. >> very close.
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>> run or two points in all the polls. let's get over to indra petersons. you have some pretty pictures to show us. >> did you see the partial eclipse. >> you told me not to look at it. >> i'm very proud of you, alisyn. >> i promised i would show you a picture. it was amazing, picture-wise, since i didn't look at it because i was asleep. it looks like a chunk was missing out of the sun as the moon's shadow was over it as it set on the east coast. that was florida, a beautiful shot out there. where it was very, maybe not so pretty? that would be the northeast. look how much rain they saw, the nor'easter is out there six inches of rain out towards massachusetts, we're very happy as we're getting closer to the weekend. the guy is exiting out. every hour it will only improve the farther south as the system starts to lift out. good timing. may we add. the only thing we're going to be dealing with some winds, they were 30-40 miles per hour. now the gusts with r backing off to the 15-20-mile-per-hour range and improving. we like this. we have good news today.
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welcome back to "new day." we have more for you on the breaks news that a doctor in new york city has tested positive for ebola. after his trip to west africa to work for doctors without borders, craig spencer is his name. he's right now in isolation at bellevue hospital. the big question this morning is -- did he endanger people in the week that he had been back before he says he started feeling sick? let's discuss. we have dr. alexander garza, the former chief medical officer for the department of homeland security, now associate dean at st. louis university college for public health and dr. amis amish adalja, an infectious disease specialist at the university of pittsburgh medical
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center. one question, before we get to the real question. one thing for you, dr. garza, why do we keep hearing specific personal information about ebola patients? what happened to hipaa and patient privacy? is there something about public policy that overwhelms? >> well that's a good question. so certainly patients do have an expectation of privacy with their personal information. however, this is an unusual disease and i think it fits into the larmer sort of public domain. especially since it is it is a public health threat i don't think necessarily this patient is. but it is sort of part of the larger picture of things that are going on in society and issues that the public does need to know about. >> dr. adalja, i say your name a different way every time you're on the show and you always look on impassively. and i thank you for that.
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amish. >> amish, i did get it right. they told me in my ear i got it wrong again. i'm so comfortable with error that i thought i got it wrong. new york city, not that the city is taking itself too seriously, but it is so densely populated. people are so on top of one another. when they hear that the man was on mass transit, in and around the city, it does pique up concerns about transmission. what is your perspective? >> we know that ebola is only transmitted with direct contact with blood and body fluid. unless there were blood and body fluids, on mass transit or on the ubers rode in, nobody has to fear the virus. you can't get it through casual contact. and it appears that he wasn't have any symptoms when weighs on the subway. >> we do we keep rounding up
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people every time they're near someone who winds up contracting the virus? >> you've got a lot of panic in the general public and public health authorities feel the need to round up as many people, made the contact circle as big as possible to calm the fear that's going on in the general public. but of those people that he has contacted, only three are real contacts. and those people are under quarantine right now. so there's just a lot of people doing, going above and beyond. but it's not necessarily. >> dr. garza, a little mixed message. not from dr. adalja, but this is public policy. you tell me you can't get it unless there's stuff on you, or you touch something we have to consider. and yet you round up all these people who by your definition, we shouldn't have to worry. >> it is sort of a mixed message, but they're walking a fine line of trying to be not over-excited and not trying to incite any panic. but also doing their jobs and doing their due diligence of doing all the contact tracing.
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so this isn't a whole lot different from other infectious diseases that public health traces, whether it's meningitis, tuberculosis, measles, where they find out the contacts from the index patients. it's that public health officials doing their due diligence and making sure they're covering all their bases. but at the same time trying to tamp down the anxiety for the general public. >> shutting down the bowling alley. that's scary, it has to be sanitized before people can go back in why? he wasn't getting sick in the bowling alley. >> right, right. so from what i heard yesterday on the news, from the new york city office of emergency management, that was a decision made by the business. and not necessarily by the public health. >> okay. >> so i think it was really sort of, a gesture by the bowling alley in order to say, yes, we're safe, come on back and use our facilities. i don't think it was an official action by new york.
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>> that's an important distinction, thank you for adding that to the mix of our understanding here. dr. adalja. what do you see in the city, the hospital, the state's reaction so far and what you understand about what happened here? did they do it right so far? did they handle this case the right way? >>. >> we have a physician who immediately notified the proper authorities as soon as he became symptomatic and ems was sent in with special protective equipment to evacuate the patient from his apartment in a manner that didn't expose anybody else, he was taken to a hospital predesignated to handle ebola patients that had been preparing for months and the communication was very trance patient. i think everything, this an example of plan working well. >> assuming, i guess they can only control what they can control if it turns out somebody he was around winds up getting it, that's not necessarily the fault of the system, it's just the way the virus works. we saw the same thing in texas.
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although a neglected, very good fact. none of the people who were anywhere around mr. duncan, may he rest in peace in texas, those people who were with him when he was very sick. nobody has gotten the virus, they've all cleared quarantine. important for to us keep in mind. dr. garza, people that worry about their risk, is there anything that you can do, to help yourself not get ebola, other than coming nowhere near someone who has it? >> right. so if you look at the people that have been infect, especially in the united states, those are all by the majority health care workers that have been around patients that have carried large amount of virus so people that were actively infect the. as you mentioned, the relatives of mr. duncan were around him while he was infectious and none of them seemingly have contracted the disease. so i think that's a bit of good news. that this, that this virus is very hard to contract. so the things that i would advise to people is, is just to
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be aware of what your personal risk is which is, is virtually none unless you're around an infected individual. >> quick take on this from a public policy perspective, why don't you just quarantine anyone who has been exposed to working with ebola patients, just to be safe? >> well, i think that's a question that's up for debate right now, right? so there's been many people that have been out in the media discussing whether people coming back from these countries that have worked with ebola patients should be under quarantine for you know, presumably the 21 days. and i think that is worthy of discussion. although this physician, i think he was sort of the ideal case patient. he was somebody who was well-trained in ebola. understood the signs and symptoms. did all the right things once he, he knew he was infected. and the system worked by and large very, very well. now whether we should quarantine everybody coming over 0 from these three countries, is a
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larger question. but certainly health care workers, carry a much higher risk of exposure, they're sort of in a different class of people. because their risk is much higher of contracting the disease. i think this debate will go on. >> i think it's worthy of discussion. now whether -- >> sure. >> we're not going to answer it today, it's something that is kind of being debated, kind of not. too many people of the more sophisticated variety like you guys, say it's not worth what it takes to do it. because of the risk. it is something that regular people are worrying about more and more. dr. alexander garza, dr. amesh adalja. thank you for being on the show as you have many times and we look forward to it again. i think you got that one right, chris, good work. the ottawa gunman was on canada's radar as a potential threat, this much we know because his passport was revoked. yettings, he was able to carry out a deadly attack. we're taking a closer look this
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a disturbing attack in new york city. a man with a hatchet charged four police officers in broad daylight, injuring two of them. the attacker was shot and killed by the other officers, but now questions are emerging about
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whether he has ties to radical islam. this a day after a man with jihadist ties went on a deadly shooting spree in canada. both events raise questions about whether officials are doing enough to track potential terror suspects. let's get insight from mitch silbe ram silber, former director of intelligence for nypd, now a director of services for analytic intelligence services. when we look at the numbers, they're stunning, we want you to help us understand how there are different tiers of monitoring. the first thing we learned is that the national counterterrorism center believes they have a database with 1.1 million people in it. so those are suspects of some kind? >> those are people who for one reason or another, either some type of intelligence or some type of past behavior, possible travel, has put them on in a sense the radar screen of the national counterterrorism center.
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>> how are they keeping track of these 1.1 million people. >> relatively passively in the sense that they're not being monitored in any way, shape or form. but you know, things like travel might be something that are looked at. >> a flag might go up. >> next, there is beyond that, a no-fly list. 47,000 total people are on a in-fly list as we understand it from the counterterrorism center. >> 800 of those are americans. so we're whittling the number down. how are we monitoring those 800? >> this is clear lay subset of the larger list. this is really a list of individuals where there's a level of concern that we don't want to have them on an airplane without some type of flag going up and then being vetted. travel is the issue. if you think about what happened in canada, both of the suspects from monday's drive-by attack and wednesday's attack at parliament, they are restricted from traveling. in a sense, that's what the list does, it restricts americans
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from traveling and others as well. >> so their passports are flagged or even revoked as the suspect in canada's was. should they go further? since that means that these people are stuck in the country. not able to leave and may still have nefarious plans? >> at this point you have people whose intentions are unclear. there are some things that put them on law enforcement or intelligence radar. until their intentions become more clear, you sort of limited to what you can do. >> is this the same as a watch list? when we hear about the watch listings does that mean that these 800 americans republican a watch list or is that a further whittling down? >> there are a lot of different names used for the list. this is to some degree a watch list, it's more focused on airline travel. then there's also ongoing investigations. >> which is a further subset. so individuals may part of an ongoing investigation. we heard in canada, they have 65
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ongoing investigations, they're looking at 90 people in a sense that's a type of subset of this. >> there are 90 people in canada do we have any idea how many people are in that subset here in the united states? >> that's not a number that's revealed publicly yet. >> when we say that we are monitoring the people, that subset, what does that look like? are we following them around? >> it depends, every investigation is different, there may be an investigation that involves a human source it may be an investigation where it has court-approved surveillance, electronic surveillance, each one has its own sort of characteristics. >> with the nypd attack, what little we know so far of what happened yesterday with the axe attack, he had some social media presence. he had some figures on his facebook page that monitored an alarm. >> this is the new horizon in terrorism investigations,
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looking at social media more and more social media provide as clue, whether it's the videos that someone likes on youtube. looking at them and trying to asense ses what this' their aintention, what is their likelihood, their view on isis. >> they have their work cut out for them. mitch, thank you so much for your information. let's go over to chris. >> new terror threats. what's going on with ebola in new york city. a lot of news to get to this morning, so let's do it. ebola has reached new york city. >> 33-year-old dr. craig spencer now in an isolation unit. >> there is no reason for new yorkers to be alarmed. >> guy pulled out an axe. it was just chaos. >> two new york city policemen seriously wounded by a man wielding a hatchet. >> one person with extremist views. >> this video gives a play-by-play of the shooting
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rampage on canada's parliament hill. >> this is a threat that is very difficult to counter. >> welcome back to "new day," i'm alisyn camerota alongside chris cuomo. new york health officials are downplaying the dangers this morning after revealing the city's first diagnosed case of ebola. dr. craig spencer returned last week from west africa where he was treating ebola patients. since then he's been busy, going to restaurants, bowling, riding the subway. that was before his symptoms appeared. >> the key word they're telling us is "before." we know that dr. spencer is now in isolation. thankfully for now we're told he's in good shape. we all know how difficult it is to treat this. and a team of cdc experts son its way to make sure protocols are being followed and the disease is contained here in the most populated city in america. we have cnn's poppy harlow outside new york's bellevue hospital where the doctor is being treated, hey, poppy. >> good morning to you, chris,
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it is so important to note that this hospital, this entire team, this city has been preparing for months for this possibility. which is now a reality. the 33-year-old doctor who went to west africa to try to save lives of those suffering from ebola, now his life is trying to be saved by the doctors and all of the physicians here. what i can tell you also is that new york city's mayor, bill de blasio is urging new yorkers not to panic. the governor of new york saying this city is as ready as it could be. >> we want to state at the outset there is no reason for new yorkers to be alarmed. >> this morning, the first positive case of ebola hits new york city. 33-year-old dr. craig spencer now in an isolation unit like this one at manhattan's bellevue hospital. dr. spencer returned to new york after treating ebola patients in guinea last friday. though doctors say he wasn't symptomatic until yesterday. october 14th, dr. spencer flies
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from guinea to brussels, belgium. arriving at new york's jfk airport three days later. showing no symptoms during his journey. on tuesday, spencer feels tired and fatigued. he was self-monitoring for symptoms, taking his temperature twice a day. but without a feeling, he goes out in public. wednesday, he goes on a three-mile run. eats at a restaurant and visits the popular park, the highline. he then travels from manhattan to brooklyn on the subway. he later takes an uber taxi to go bowling in williamsburg, brooklyn, at an alley called the gutter. thursday morning spencer develop as fever and immediately contacts doctors without borders, who calls the health department. that afternoon he's rushed to bellevue hospital and put directly in isolation. later testing positive for ebola. authorities reiterated thursday that careful protocols were followed smoothly at every step. and for new yorkers, the risk is
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quote close to nil. >> he was not symptomatic at that time. he had no fever. and so he did not have a stage of disease that creates a risk of contagiousness on the subway. >> the city now on heightened alert. >> coordinating and drilling from airports to transportations, subway stations, to ambulances, to hospitals, so we are as ready as one could be. >> health officials note three people had contact with spencer, two friends, and his fiancee, all doing well, but in quarantine. >> i can tell you at this hour, the officials from the cdc are here in new york at this hospital. helping in any way that they can, the hospital where this doctor usually works is columbia presbyterian hospital, they issued a statement saying he is a responsible doctor, that he is also very committed and he has not treated any patients, he has
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not been to work since he got back from guinea. in terms of his condition. all we know is that they are hoping for a quick recovery, new york city's mayor saying yesterday he is in good shape. but it is important to point out in this conversation, there's been a lot of criticism on social media of the actions he took going around the city. let's not forget that this is someone that risked their life to go save other lives in west africa. alisyn? >> we're going to talk all about that with our next guest. let's bring in dr. alexander van tulleken, a cnn medical analyst and senior fellow at the institute for international humanitarian air fairs and dr. irwin redlenner, from the national center for disaster preparedness and on the phone, cnn chief medical analyst dr. sanjay gupta. doctors, it was probably only a matter of time that someone from ebola would end up here. dr. redlenner, how confident are
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you that bellevue is better prepared than dallas was? >> no comparison. we've had the benefit of seeing what transpired in dallas, which is horrifying for many of us. starting in july of this year, preparations began to make sure the city was ready for ebola. this starts with a lot of organizing coordination among the various agencies in the city. so everybody begins to formulate a plan. the office of emergency management. the health department. the private hospitals, constantly meeting, looking at the protocols. adapting protocols that exist outside new york to the specific environment of new york city, a lot of training had begun already so we had a good step ahead there. >> is bellevue hospital as prepared as the ebola centers we know of doing so well such as emory? >> drilling a lot, very well equipped. we've seen demonstrations, they opened it up to the cameras
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we've seen demonstrations, suits they're wearing, nothing like the old cdc protocols, i would say their operation is as watertight as it could possibly be. >> we have a video showing this patient's apartment building and police going and trying to prepare it and cordon off the area surrounding it. here are the police this is after they've cordoned off the area. and what you're about to see has raised some eyebrows, they are on a public street. they walk up to a garbage can, they dispose of their gloves, in the public garbage can before getting in their police cruiser and they walk away and there's -- now, mind you, they did not and they took off their protective face gear. now they were not inside the patient's apartment. they were cordoning off the area. is this sanjay, i know you're on the phone i don't know if you've seen this video. >> can you see this? >> i have seen that.
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and you know, it obviously confuse as lot of people. i think give them that they weren't in the apartment the chance of that being contaminated is basically nil. i think this is part of the confusion for people. on one hand we say someone comes back after having taken care of patients. the doctor does not need to be quarantined, that makes sense scientifically. until are you sick, you are not going to spread the virus. on the other hand, people show up to his apartment. they cordon it off. they're doing what seems like pretty significant measures around that. and so it confuses people. was he transmitting the virus? was he not transmitting the virus? what are we to take away from it? skin tiffically when you see the gloves being thrown away, there's really no risk. but you can understand, what is the message to the public who is watching that? >> that's the issue dr. r
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redlienor. >> this is really the nub of the problem that sanjay is talking about. the battle doing what we know is skin tiffically valid and then there's the massive reality of public perception. and public anxiety about things. so from an optics point of view as they say, that didn't look good. from the reality point of view, i would say there's literally zero risk for what happened in this little video clip we're looking at. >> in terms of public perception, another thing that heightens anxiety is the fact that this patient, dr. craig spencer was going to restaurants and bowling and riding on the subway. which on any given day is a petrie dish. the subway sometimes we're packed like sardines in there and you worry if someone sneezes. do new yorkers have any convenient to feel anxiety this morning. >> it's important to say, dr. spencer has followed the protocols, not just the national
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protocols, but the protocols of the organization that's most expert in the world of treating ebola. they've treated more patients with ebola than any other organization by a very long way. he hasn't broken any rules, he's been very responsible and i don't think he's got anyone at risk at all. story we're telling. even the story of saying this guy is a hero because he was working in africa to save lives and now he may put new yorkers at risk. even that isn't correct. he hasn't put new yorkers at risk. the work he was doing in africa reduces our risk of getting ebola here. we have a new african country affected. mali with the first case. if you want to panic about ebola, panic about it in west africa. >> here's another point of confusion. when people have tested positive for ebola here, such as with say thomas duncan, the passengers on his plane were alerted. were tracked done and alerted and monitored. why not passengers on subjectway that mr. spencer was riding on
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on wednesday. why not look for them? sanjay, can you hear me? >> so with the nurse i believe, amber vinson, you may be talking, about the passengers were alerted. there was a question whether she had a low-grade fever between her flight to cleveland and dallas. so the question was, did she have some symptoms? even though very low grade fever, could she possibly be transmitting the virus. the likelihood is very, very low. this term. abundance of caution, gets tossed around a lot. and i think that that's what we're seeing here, i think the science sort of says that until someone is actually, is sick and transmitting bodily fluids that are infected with the virus, they're not going to get other people sick. keep in mind, you may remember the story of mr. patrick sawyer, the gentleman who moved from liberia do nigeria, upon arriving in nigeria, he collapsed in the airport terminal. he was quite sick by the time he landed. health care workers did get
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infected as a result of caring for him. here's the point, nobody on the plane ride from liberia to nigeria or any of the flights in between got sick. nobody got sick on those flights mr. duncan was in the apartment for two days before going to the hospital. symptomatic, he got turned away from the hospital the first time. none of his friends or family members in the apartment with him got sick. so the abundance of caution important. but here are a couple of examples of people not transmitting the virus to people 40 are not health care workers, they weren't as sick at the time. think it's a really important point. >> maybe we're using too much caution. >> the abundance of caution as sanjay is talking about is what happens, it's a slippery slope. suddenly we're starting to do things that are wildly not appropriate, expensive and fear producing themselves. we have to be careful with that. >> doctors, thanks to all of you, great to talk to you, we feel better after hearing your
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segments. we have much more on our coverage of ebola in new york city. straight ahead. we'll speak about the risk and response with new york's governor, andrew cuomo. john berman is in for michaela for other top stories. new york city officials are looking into claims that isis used chlorine gas against police officers in baghdad. "the new york post" said hospital officials confirmed that the yellow gas was chlorine. president obama will meet with the national security council to discuss isis strategy. turkey's government has given hundreds of iraqi peshmerga fighters to cross turkish territory into northern syria to help defend kobani from isis. the obama administration is launching a new front in the war on isis, attacking its financial support. moving to identify buyers of oil being tracked on the black market. generating millions of dollars a day for isis. treasury undersecretary david
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cohen says they're asking governments to stop paying ransom for hostages, another major income source for the islamic militants. >> we're learning more about the most recent white house fence-jumper, 23-year-old dominick adasanya was arrested a month ago. he wanted to ask the president about spying devices he thought were stashed at his home. and welcome to twitter, queen elizabeth, she sent her first tweet this morning. she said it is a pleasure to open the information age expedition at the science museum and i hope people will enjoy visiting, signed elizabeth r. she went on to tweet -- the verified british monarchy account which sent a follow-up. of the queen's photo saying she in fact sent the message herself. elizabeth r. by the way. stands for elizabeth regina, which is latin for queen or
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monarch, proving she is just like all of us. signing her name with the r. at the end. >> said by a man whose middle name is spinoza. >> he tweeted her and he said in his tweet -- gnnow that you're twitter, will you dm me? i have a question. >> if you're on twitter, queen elizabeth r., come on. >> if she does dm you, what is your question? >> i want to ask her why choose elizabeth r.? why not elizabeth windsor. >> i don't know if she know what is "dm" is but you're welcoming her into the twitter age. queen, your highness, i should say. >> he has a question. we'll keep you posted on all of that. one of our top stories, a man with a hatchet coming out of nowhere to attack the nypd, the new information about the suspect that may point to terrorism. plus, we're trying to figure
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out more about this ottawa shooter. there's new video of him during the rampage. was there any kind of plan here? was it just a haphazard attack by a lunatic? and we're getting a hero's welcome at work for the hero who took down the shooter. the man with the mace. we're going to talk about an emotional moment he had with one of his close friends, a more complicated situation for him than you may think.
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there are growing concerns that the violent axe attack against the nypd is another case of islamist extremism. take a look at this surveillance video, you can see the attacker identified as zell thompson, going after officers with a hatchet. thompson was shot and killed after injuring two police officers. cnn's alexandra field has the latest on the attack and its potential ties to extremism. >> we're talking about four rookie officers who were involved in this attack. they were in the subway, they had been asked to pose for a picture when a man wielding an axe went after them. that attack only ended after two officers were able to shoot and kill the man who went after them. >> this morning, law enforcement authorities on heightened alert after this terrifying axe attack in queens yesterday. the assault caught on camera, watch as the man rushes at four nypd officers, a metal hatchet in hand. the suspect hitting one in the arm. striking another in the head. before two uninjured officers
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shoot and kill him. law enforcement officials say it appears the suspect was stalking the officers, hiding behind a bus shelter waiting to attack. the suspect identified as zaleh. thompson. cnn now learning he has a criminal record in california and was discharged from the navy for misconduct. on a facebook page bearing his name and location in queens. the black and white profile photo shows an armed masked fighter, spear, sword and rifle at the ready, the cover photo, a quote from the koran judging those who have wand ired astray. this brutal assault comes on the heels of heightened security across north america after radical jihadists threatened to attack military and police officers and two attacks in canada believed to be motivated by islamic extremism. authorities are investigating any possible links thompson might have had to extremist groups. >> there's nothing that we know as of this time that would indicate that the case, certainly the heightened
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concerns relative to that type of assault based on what's just happened in canada. >> both officers struck by thompson's axe now recovering at jamaica hospital. an additional person, a 29-year-old bystander was shot in the back during the scuffle. she was taken to the hospital, but her condition remains unknown. >> law enforcement officers say the police did nothing to provoke the attack. the context is the important part, recent calls from isis about sympathizers in the west to launch attacks on men and women in uniform this is what law enforcement officers are looking at. a lot of questions for them to investigate. chris. >> if there's one thing we can bank on it's that police officers didn't provoke an attack when a man comes at them with an axe. let's bring in cnn national security analyst, fran townsend, a former bush homeland security adviser and mr. daveed
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gartenstein-ro gartenstein-ross. fran, we're up in ottawa yesterday, working intelligence sources, not you, but others. we're told what you're seeing here should notten minimized, it is the perfection of the threat. it is not about a big group coming here and doing a big thing that takes too much, it's too easy for to us detect now, at least we can. but deranged people, diseased of mind people, looking for a sense of validation and some perverse message in violence is very hard to control. do you agree that this is not the easy thing to deal with, it is the hardest thing? >> it is the hardest thing, chris, and i do think, we have to put together what facts we do have. we know that isis is called for these attacks. we know that the fbi issued a bulletin last week warning their personnel about these potential attack. and we know that what they're looking for, what we now kind of call these hit-and-run attacks, right? it's the lone individual who has
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been inspired, whether it's by the message or by the photographs, of other attacks. and so these really are very difficult to prevent. because you don't need a large group, right? you need one person with a weapon, who begins to cause casualties or injuries to others, because of the inspiration of groups like isis. >> so daveed, are we just looking at the same pool of people in the u.s. that would shoot up a mall and after it winds up being a lamentation of people who weren't liked in high school? is this a guise for theiring an centre. >> there's different things that motivate people. i don't think it's actually that bad an analogy. one thing that has occurred in the past few days. if this is an act of home-grown terrorism. then we've seen three lone wolf attacks in the u.s. and canada in four days. to put that into context, over
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15 western countries through 2010, there had been an average of 4.7 lone wolf attack as year. that means that we're seeing a spike right now. and i think fran is right. looking to possible isis inspiration is an important part of this. >> or is it just copy cat? >> seeing it in the news. >> seeing that's a great avenue to dignity, let me try that stupid thing and then they go have the same ill result. >> i think it's important to look at the way isis has been able to capture the attention of the media the way that not only the iraq and the syria exploits being so thoroughly covered. but also each of these attacks something covered in detail. i think it's important to both understand the gravity of this and also put it into perspective. so we don't risk valorizing these guys. >> why do we call them lone wolves? these guys aren't assets, there's nothing brave about them. they're not warriors of any kind. even that it's a lone wolf attack.
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it suggests that this is someone like a sleeper cell. they get out there and they can do it on their own. this is the opposite, right? these are people who would never really be recruited by any more developed terrorist organization, they wouldn't waste an asset on a one-for-one proposition of killing, right? >> calling them the lone wolf. the whole idea is to emphasize the point that they are a single actors and the wolf is preying on the innocent. it's on the unsuspecting, when you look at the full tape, surveillance tape this guy clearly was lying in wait behind this bus stop waiting, watching the officers and came at them when they were posing with this picture with their backs turned. this guy is a real coward. he, he had a plan and he was executing that plan to cause injury to these officers and clearly would have killed them if the two uninjured officers hadn't shot him. >> it is so easy to misconstrue this situation as something to
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kind of blow off. the axe fool here in new york city, the ottawa shooter. so terrible for the reserve corporal, cirillo to lose his life. the officer to be shot in the parliament. the officers to be hurt down here. that's not that bad, we see so much worse, think we're making a mistake when we do that. everyone in the intelligence community, daveed says i don't know what we do to stop something like this. i don't know how we monitor thoughts in any real way. this is the real problem of fighting an idea. when it can take root in someone whose mind has no idea. >> it's much more difficult to stop a lone wolf act of terrorism. an though stop group terrorism. when you're taking a look at a lone wolf, the conspiracy itself can be a crime. for a lone individual, you can't conspire with yourself. you have to wait until they actually cross a line. that's why the u.s. has been so aggressive about using sting operations which are a
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controversial tactic. >> daveed gartenstein-ross, fran townsend, thank you very much. i wish you both a good weekend. one of the ways the met for about the school shooters comes is that the experts we talk to is the experts we talk to is that the best defense is communities, people who know people who seem to be going the wrong way and get out there and get them some help before they can make such a bad decision. >> although sometimes these people are so solitary it's hard to know what they have up their sleeves, but we will talk about all of that. hero's welcome for the man who prevented a larger tragedy in canada's capitol. we'll ask one of his closest friends about this emotional moment. look at his face here. trying to contain his emotions. we'll also talk about the shooter's possible motive that we've learned more b. and ebola hits new york city, is the big apple prepared to contain the virus. governor andrew cuomo will join us live.
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there. spencer is now in isolation, at bellevue hospital. but what kind of care is he receiving and are the public and the doctors and nurses safe today? let's ask new york's governor, andrew cuomo. governor, thanks so much for being with us. >> my pleasure, thank you for having me, alisyn. >> we know you have a bit of delay there from albany. so we will make the best that. let's talk about how new york is better prepared, if it is, to deal with the first ebola patient than dallas. what gives you confidence that they will deal at bellevue better than the dallas hospital did with their first patient? >> well first, alisyn, we had an advantage because we watched what happened in dallas and we learned from it and this is new york, we hoped that we wouldn't get such a case, but we expected that we would. and we have been preparing for weeks, literally. we did a session this week, we
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had 5,000 health care workers come in, they've all been trained. we're working with the hospitals together with the union that represents the health care workers, 1199 here in new york. so the workers feel that they've had the training. they have the equipment. we've gone through the protocols. we've drilled. we've drilled, we've drilled. we then had eight hospitals designated, bellevue is one of them. as the receiving hospitals for this situation. so we, we were fully prepared and the team felt fully prepared. this happened to be a doctor, so he had information about the disease. when he saw that he had a fever and he believed he was symptomatic, he presented himself to the hospital. and we were prepared, alisyn. it was handled exactly right. a team went out with protective gear. he was picked up. brought to a pre-prepared isolation unit.
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so it couldn't have proceeded better. >> governor, here's what worries new yorkers today. as recently as i believe tuesday, this patient was riding the subway. and i ride the subway every day, as do six million other new yorkers. sometimes you're packed in there like sardines. if one person sneezes, the rest of us catch a cold. how can new yorkers feel safe today to take the subway? >> alisyn, i understand the fear that comes from that word now, ebola. and it is scary. there's no doubt about that. but a little dose of reality, also, right? this is not transmitted like the flu is transmitted or a common cold or a common virus. it's not about sneezing, et cetera. this is basically bodily fluids transfer, when the person is symptomatic. the more ill the person is, the
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more contagious the person is. but the person has to be symptomatic. the doctor presented himself when he had a 100.3 fever. not a 103 fever as it has been reported. as soon ass he saw he had a fever, he presented himself to the hospital. at that point everything that should have happened happened exactly right. kudos to bellevue and that team. and this doctor obviously reached the conclusion that he wasn't symptomatic up until that point. >> i mean, what's so confusing, obviously are the mixed messages that officials give us. as we know, passengers on airplanes have been contacted when there has been a patient who later presented with ebola symptoms and you're not as close to the passengers on an airplane as you are sometimes right up against somebody on the subway. so it is a bit of a mixed message. >> well it's a mixed message,
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alisyn, because on the one hand you want to err on the side of caution. and you want to make sure that you're doing everything that you can do, right? on the other hand what the data shows is, it's not that easily transmitted. again, bodily fluids, once you're symptomatic. and if you look what actually happened in dallas, they were very expansive in the number of people they brought in. for quarantine. but most of the people, overwhelming majority of the people never got ill. so that's, that's the mixed message i think you're hearing. on the one hand, you want do do everything you can to be safe. on the other hand it may not be absolutely necessary and you're erring on the side of caution. in this case, the doctor was exposed to basically four people. his fiancee, two people who he went bowling with, his friends, and he took a cab ride.
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we have all four people, we've talked to all four people. and we feel good about that. and also this is not a virus that lives for a long period of time outside of the human body. so again, we're in the same situation, we're erring on the side of caution. but we feel good that we were fully prepared, there's no reason for new yorkers to panic or feel that they have anything to worry about on the subway system, et cetera. >> so you're saying, governor -- everything that had to be done was done. >> would you ride the subway today. you will ride the subway today, we hear? >> yes. yes. >> which lines? which lines are you going to ride? >> the a and the l, the trains that he -- a, l and the 1 train. i'll ride any one of the three. it's, we have to separate
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sometimes, alisyn, the fear from the reality. or the irrational fear, if you will, from the reality and we have a dose of irrational fear now. now being a new yorker is a little anxiety can keep you safe, right? and it's not a bad thing. but undue anxiety sun productive and there's no reason for undue anxiety in this situation. >> great point. we understand that had you a conversation with president obama last night. what did he tell you and what sorts of resources are the feds sending to new york now? >> well, i spoke to president obama, i also spoke to ron klain, who is the new ebola czar. sylvia burwell, the head of health and human services, all of whom i have long-time professional and personal relationships with. they've been offering help. the cdc has been very helpful. but in truth, between new york city and new york state, we have been preparing for this for weeks.
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we've been running drills, we have the equipment, we had the training, the health care workers feel like they're ready to handle it. so we have the cdc here on site. basically monitoring and helping. but we were equipped to handle the situation. again, it was a doctor so that was an advantage, i believe, alisyn. because as soon as he believed he was symptomatic, he presented himself. but we have this, we believe we have the system contained. >> governor, while i have you, i want to ask you about this attack on the four nypd officers with a man who was wielding an axe. do you or your office, do they have any more information this morning about if he was linked to some sort of larger terrorist organization? >> we don't, we've heard the same rumors, that have been spreading, but we don't have any definitive information when we do, we'll disseminate it. >> governor, you've given us -- >> as a matter of full
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disclosure, any help you need with your co-host, i am in a position to be helpful. i want you to know. >> i'm so glad you brought that up. because i do have some questions. how do you suggest keeping an unruly co-anchor in line? >> oh i have some very secret strategies that have worked very well. knowing the right information about him, keeps him very docile. and we'll have that conversation in private, alisyn. >> i'm interpreting the right information as say, a noogie, that's something that you as an older brother probably used when you needed to. >> he's not amused. >> a super noogie on him. >> part of the benign laugh. >> i really, really hope not. >> governor, that's great. you and i will have a private
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call, i will need your tips and thanks so much for all of your information and assuaging any fears of new yorkers this morning, it's great to talk to you. >> thank you, thank you for having me, alisyn. >> he has some significant threats facing him this weekend. it's easy for him to be brave when he's surrounded by state troopers. >> that was great. but it will be good to get more information out of the state as they learn more about the case and the situation with the man with the axe. they've got plenty on their plate to deal with he didn't have to worry about me, that's for sure. >> i'll be calling him later. >> i wouldn't speak to him alone. we're going to be talking after the break about the man who stopped the ottawa killer. he got a much-deserved hero's welcome. what an emotional moment. we all got to see here. been calling him the man with the mace. sergeant at arms kevin vickers. we have one of his closest friends who joins with us a side of the situation you may not have heard.
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appreciate it. >> good morning, chris. >> let me ask you something, yes, we want to lionize him, we want to celebrate what he did because of what he prevented. what a difficult moment for a man to be placed in. how was he? was he okay after this? >> i think the best word i can use to describe it, crit, was -- he was very reflective. he said to me, you know, i had to take a human life and i had to do it to protect a lot of people who were important to the country. a great national institution of ours was being attacked. our national leaders were all there. you know, think what happened with my friend kevin, who is an unassuming modest guy, is that he kind of bumped up against a moment of history and came to personify it. in other words, this was a brazen attack on the first attack of its kind on a western democracy and i think everybody in the west said -- hey, we can take these guys on when we have to and we're not going to be intimidated or defeated by them. >> he came up against a moment
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in history and that is what he wound up defining, is the reaction to it. but you know, it did make me feel, he was becoming a symbol, as you suggest, and i couldn't help, when i was looking at the picture of him walking with the side arm and the look on his face, this man did 30 years on the force as a police officer and never had to thankfully get into a situation like that. there was someone who was trying to kill him. and yes, he wound up winning the gun battle. that's got to weigh heavy on the heart. >> what the shooter didn't know is that kevin in a recent competition last year with all of his hundreds of security officers, outshot everybody. also, he's a big, tough guy. but very gentle. famous for his sense of humanity. his affection for people. he's very warm. i covered ronald reagan as a white house correspondent. he's got that kind of
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reagan-esque warmth and impressive personality that reagan has. no other comparisons i would make beyond that. and i think he's finding himself surprised that, that he's with all of this notoriety, when really what did he do? in his view, he did his job. that he had to do and he found it afterwards, a little painful to do. >> i'm sure. i'm sure he did. and you know, yesterday obviously we're all trying to track him down. trying to get him to come on camera and we were told by people who knew him at the parliament, that is not going to happen. and i said why, is he traumatized? and they said no, this is not who this guy is. he doesn't want or need the attention. that's a special man. >> he wants the attention, he wants the attention to be on the country. the fact that we're not going to allow ourselves to be a passageway, a safe passage for terrorists heading to our friends in the united states. we're going to take these guys on. i think that's what he would
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like the message to be. but he doesn't feel any need to get himself on television. reminds me of your sully sullenberger and america on the hudson. same kind of thing. the guy did his job, he did it cool and calm and he didn't feel the need to go and talk to people like you and me about it at all. >> he is the cool canadian. i wish him well going forward. in that he can sleep at night. because i know those situations are not easy. no matter what the outcome. and your role. craig, let me ask you to put on your reporter's hat for a second. the situation ended much better than it could have. but the level of access and ease with which this man got into your most important government building, has to raise some concerns. ottawa is a beautiful and peaceful place, only four homicides in the last year. but that security situation is going to need tweaking and that's putting it gently. what do you think happens? >> we're going to have to tighten up. the door the guy came in is is a door where the public can't get
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in without a pass. but this guy had a pass. which was the winchester he was carrying. so we're going to have to change that. they know that. also, all of our uniformed guards are not armed. we have plainclothesmen who are armed, not that many of them. we're going to have to, after years of having a look, which is not threatening and unarmed officers, we're going to have to change all of that. i guess all of us have to respond to this new world and that's, you're right, we're going to have to make a lot of significant changes in that regard. >> i don't mean -- >> both inside and outside. >> and i don't mean it as a point of criticism in terms of a shortcoming. >> you're right. >> all of us are learning all the time about it. one of the things that i took from the officials there on your intelligence side, and also just the general population in ottawa, beautiful, sweet people as you know, was that this is very, this is much more scary than the idea of a group coming and doing a huge massive event where they try to take down a
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building or something horrible. that this is anybody at any time that doesn't have enough of a soul and a conscience to understand what religion is and to think that they can find significance for themselves through violence. and that is a scary proposition to live with day to day. >> well i think the other thing that worries us is get back to your point, that this guy killed a soldier you know, two blocks away from the front door of the house of commons. and then sprinted all the way up there with a rifle. and the mounties on the hill didn't get him. so that wasn't good, either. so we do have to, we've got to start realizing this is a world that's affecting us. we, i suppose we knew it intellectually. but now we know it for sure. that we're part of the target, jihadists and others are trying to get at. >> or anybody mindless enough to think that violence is a path to glory can now cling on to this idea. and be a risk to the the rest of
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us. craig oliver, thank you for the insight into your friend and into the security situation up there. i think it's safe to say as as understated as he is, i think the beers will be on you for a while. >> tonight it will be scotch. good to talk to you. >> respect that. take care, craig. alisyn? >> the doctor who treated people in guinea is the fourth ebola patient. congressman jason chaffetz is fired up about what he says is the flawed response to ebola.
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welcome back to "new day." let's take a quick look at your headlines right now. new york city doctor is now an ebola patient after going to guinea to help treat ebola victims. 33-year-old craig spencer is the first confirmed case in new york, now in a hospital isolation unit. the officials insist there is no cause for alarm even though spencer road the subway, went bowling, went out to eat since his return from west africa last week. three people spencer had close contact with including his fiance are now quarantined. ebola has been diagnosed in mali for the if, time. 2-year-old girl is the patient, she traveled to mali from guinea where her father died from the disease. federal prosecutors are looking into the manufacturer of defective air bags that forced millions of cars to be recalled. investigators want to know if takata provided wrong information to federal safety owe fishes. the air bags may inflate with
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he could take one of those dogs but would struggle with two. >> i would need your help or alisyn. >> i go with alisyn. >> i would lure the dog with a scooby snack. >> we would have never thought about that, i would use my forearm. >> no, snack. the infected doctor with ebola was making his way through the most populated city in america. did he inadvertently put people at risk. we will speak with the city's health commissioner and a congressman who has a lot to say about the response to the disease so far. clock, what am i thinking about? foreign markets. asian debt that recognizes the shift in the global economy. you know, the kind that capitalizes on diversity across the credit spectrum and gets exposure to frontier and emerging markets. if you convert 4-quarter p/e of the s&p 500, its yield is doing a lot better... if you've had to become your own investment expert, maybe it's time for bny mellon, a different kind of wealth manager
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--ccaptions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning, welcome to "new day," it's friday, october 24th. just about 8:00 in the east. chris cuomo here with alisyn camerota. new york's mayor says there's no need to worry despite the first case of ebola being diagnosed in new york city. his name dr. craig spencer. he tested positive a week after returning from africa with doctors without borders treating ebola victims. now he's in an isolation unit at the hospital as officials trace his movements over the last week
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including bowling, riding the subway, and eating at a restaurant. but public health officials say that was before he exhibited symptoms. >> and now spencer's fiance and two friends who had contact with him are under quarantine. moments ago our sanjay gupta learned from an administration official that mandatory quarantines are now being considered for any health care workers returning from west africa. cnn's poppy harlow is at new york's bellevue hospital where dr. spencer is being treated. what is the latest, poppy? >> reporter: good morning to you, alisyn. what we know from the mayor of new york city as of last night was that this patient the 33-year-old doctor is in "good shape." they are hoping for a rapid recovery, doing everything they can at the hospital behind me, bellevue hospital. we also know that this is the hospital deemed prepared for any situation like this. the governor of new york saying the city is as prepared as it could possibly be. we also know that overnight the
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cdc sent their rapid response team here to new york. they are on the ground helping in any way that they can. >> we want to state at the outset there is no reason for new yorkers to be alarmed. >> reporter: this morning the first positive case of ebola hits new york city. 33-year-old dr. craig spencer now in an isolation unit like this one at manhattan's bellevue hospital. dr. spencer returned to new york after treating ebola patients in guinea last friday, though doctors say he wasn't symptomatic until yesterday. october 14th, dr. spencer flies from guinea to brussels, belgium, arriving at new york's jfk airport three days later, showing no symptoms during his journey. on tuesday, spencer feels tired and fatigued. he was self-monitoring for symptoms, taking his temperature twice a day, but without a fever, he goes out in public. wednesday he goes on a three-mile run, eats at a restaurant and visits the popular park the high line.
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he then travels from manhattan to brooklyn on the subway. he later takes an uber taxi to go bowling in williamsburg, brooklyn, at an alley called the gutter, now closed until it can be sanitized. thursday morning spencer develops a fever and immediately contacts doctors without borders who calls the health department. that afternoon he is rushed to bellevue hospital and put directly in isolation. later testing positive for ebola. authorities reiterated thursday that careful protocols were followed smoothly at every step and for new yorkers, the risk is "close to nil." >> he was not symptomatic at that time. he had no fever, and so he did not have a stage of disease that creates a risk of contagiousness on the subway. >> reporter: the city now on heightened alert. >> coordinating and drilling from airports to transportations to subway stations to ambulances
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to hospitals, so we are as ready as one could be. >> reporter: health officials note three people had contact with spencer, two friends and his fiance, all doing well, but in quarantine. and we are also told by city officials that dr. spencer did not leave his apartment at all once he developed that fever, except for when he was transported by ems and ambulance here to bellevue hospital. that is good news, because the disease is really increasingly contagious once you develop those symptoms. the hospital where he's employed here, columbia presbyterian calls him a responsible and committed physician, noting he has not been back to work once or treated any patients, alisyn, since he returned from guinea. important to note in this discussion, there is a lot of criticism from some on social media and elsewhere about him traveling around this city when he returned. this is a doctor who gave of himself to go treat patients that are dying by the thousands
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in west africa, trying to save lives. now, his wife is on the line here. >> that's great perspective, poppy harlow. thanks so much for that. let's bring in now utah representative jason chaffetz, member of the house oversight and government reform committee which will hold a hearing on the government's response to ebola later this morning. congressman, nice to see you. >> good morning. >> so what are the big concerns that you will be raising at the hearing today? >> one of them is about our military. we have nearly 4,000 troops that are in the infected area. how are we treating them? what sort of exposure problems did they have? how are we going to bring them home? what is their condition? these are great heroes but you got a lot of families across the country concerned about those people. we also have the inspector general who is coming in and says that the federal government is woefully underprepared, when you look at the personal protective equipment there has not been good management of this. many of the things that have expiration dates are expired. this is a scathing report,
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having read his testimony and what he's going to say later this morning, it's not a pretty picture from the preparedness from the federal government. >> but the cdc tries to assuage our fears saying the new guidelines are more protective, conform more with the doctors without poborders guidelines. does that help your fear factor? >> no. this person now in isolation in new york city, bless his heart, i mean, you got to love a guy who goes into an infected area, wants to help people, but he was with doctors without borders, which is a wonderful organization, but comes back here, and has the disease, and i think we immediately need to look at travel bans and quarantines. i don't buy into the idea of a self-quarantine. that's obviously not working, and we're sending a lot of mixed signals and i think that's part of the discussion this morning as well. >> sanjay gupta, our medical correspondent, has reported that he just got information within
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the past hour of government officials saying that they are considering a mandatory quarantine for people returning from those west african countries. do you know about that? >> i don't know that the administration is doing that, but those of us for a couple weeks now that have been saying you should probably put some sort of travel ban in place and if you've had direct contact with an ebola patient, somebody who has the disease, we're going to have to put new quarantine. it's good for you. it's good for your friends and your loved ones, it's good for the united states of america. i just don't think you can have somebody with direct contact with an ebola patient and then allow them to go bowling in new york city. that's just not going to work. >> by the way this mandatory quarantine would be for health care workers, that's what we're talking about. will the new ebola czar be at the hearing for you to ask questions of? >> no, we invited him. congressman issa, chairman of the oversight committee invited him to come. he's been on the job only since
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wednesday but really when you come to congress you're there to answer questions from the people of the united states of america and he refused to come. i think that gets him off on the wrong foot. i think the country would like to hear from him and what he's doing. we have a lot of questions for him but he has refused to attend. >> you have been public with saying that you wish that a surgeon general were in charge of this effort. you've been calling for a surgeon general. there are many democrats who say that republicans in the senate have blocked the president's nominee for a surgeon general that we could have had one a year ago but republicans have been an impediment. what is your response? >> i haven't gotten in the middle of the senate fight. i'm here in the house. there is the office of the surgeon general, there is an acting surgeon general. they have access to thousands of people across the country that are medical professionals and have expertise. i don't understand why we wouldn't leverage them. our criticism of mr. clain, he has no medical experience. they talk to the white house
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about somebody who is not an implementer but a doctor. i want a doctor coordinate the science, different agencies, local and federal, and then when we do have that personnel that we have, the czar that the president picked, he won't come answer questions from congress from democrats and republicans. i don't understand that. with you i think the surgeon general's office needs to be involved. there are other agencies and people within health and human services that also need to be intimately involved in this, if not leading this. >> that's what the administration says ron clain is tasked with, coordinating all the different siloed agencies, the w.h.o., cdc, nih, saying he has managerial expertise. >> we have questions for him. we're going to have the inspector general who took an objective view over a long period of time came in and they'll say the federal government is woefully underprepared, they don't have the personal protective
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equipment. i have serious questions how our customs and border patrol agents, wonderful people, how are they supposed to assess the travelers coming into the united states of america and try to guess whether or not do they have ebola, were they in the infected area. you have doctors who can't make these calls in the infected area. how are you going to have a customs and border patrol agent dealing with this? there's a lot of questions for this person. >> congressman we'll be watching your hearing today closely. thanks so much for taking the time this morning. >> thank you. >> over to chris. >> questions about what's going on with that issue and questions on what's going on with the new threat of terrorism because we do have more information now on this terrible shooting in canada. this morning there's disturbing video surfacing of what appears to show the ottawa shooter in the midst of his deadly rampage. here it is for you to see. it's not going to show you anything horrible but it appears to show the shooter hijacking a car moments after gunning down a soldier at the national war memorial. we're learning more about the
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shooter's ties to islamic extremism through social media. sources tell cnn the 32-year-old did have links to jihadists in canada including one who went to fight in syria. lawmakers are giving the sergeant-at-arms kevin vickers, of the house of commons, the man who carries the mace got a well-deserved standing ovation a day after he took out the shooter, didn't miss a day of work. luckily he stopped that shooter before more damage could be done. ana cabrera is live with more. >> good morning, chris. we know the gunman came to ottawa on october 2nd, staying at a homeless shelter, apparently trying to get a passport and his mother now revealing to authorities he may have wanted to go to syria. investigators are still probing into the gunman's past and as they do that, we have this new video that shows wednesday's attack. it happened here at canada's national war memorial, before he went on to the parliament building. this surveillance video released by canadian police thursday
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gives a chilling play-by-play of the shooting rampage on ottawa's parliament hill. the 32-year-old shooter michael he did half bebow is seen running from a car after gunning down nathan cirillo at war memorial. some bystanders run in fear, others rush to cirillo's aid. >> there were four or five people around this fallen soldier all working as a team. >> reporter: next he hijacks a car. the driver seen running away. different angle shows by bow running into the main parliament building with canadian police giving chase. inside parliament shots fired. [ gunfire ] moments later, sergeant-at-arms kevin vickers shoots and kills the suspect on the scene. as parliament reconvened thursday vickers' bravery was honored by a standing ovation. now authorities are learning more about a possible motive looking into zehaf-bibeau's ties
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to islamic extremists in canada via the internet. >> i think the passport figured prominently in his motives. i'm not inside his head but i think it was central to what was driving him. >> reporter: authorities believe prior to his attack zehaf-bibeau had converted to islam and was applying for a canadian passport to travel to syria. those actions tipped off police to conduct a background check. this man told cnn's martin savidge he and he did half by woe were staying at a home for homeless men. >> he wanted to go back to libya, i don't know if that's where he was from or just where he wanted to go to take part in whatever's going on over there. >> reporter: in 2011, facing robbery charges, he dzehaf-bibe underwent a psychiatric evaluation and papers obtained by cnn, the doctor told the judge zehaf-bibeau was addicted to crack cocaine and wanted to go to jail to break the addiction and as a sacrifice to pay for his mistakes.
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now given zehaf-bibeau's criminal record that included drugs and violence, authorities in canada say he was on the radar but never on the 90 or so list of names of potentially high-risk threats, something authorities are looking at more closely. we also know that u.s. authorities are also investigating whether he had any communication or contact with suspected extremists in the united states. we do know he traveled to the u.s. at least four times in recent years, most recently in 2013. chris? >> all right, ana, thank you very much for the reporting. we're following this story, a lot of news this morning. let's get to you john berman in for michaela. >> thanks, chris. the united states investigating reports of isis fighters using chemical weapons in a battle near baghdad last month. "the washington post" says hospital owe fishes confirmed a yellow gas the men were attacked with was chlorine. president obama will meet with his national security team to discuss isis strategy and
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turkey's government agreeing to let iraqi peshmerga fighters cross their country to help in the fight against isis. gunman believed to belong to boca haram, armed fighters storming two christian villages, kidnapping at least 60 women and girls. fighters left money behind for each woman implying they would be used as sex slaves. the kidnappings happened near a town where more than 200 schoolgirls were kidnapped in april. the sentencing hearing for jodi arias will be held monday. the panel will decide whether arias will be sentenced to life or the death penalty for the 2008 murder of her ex-boyfriend. a back injury could spell the end of a hall of fame nba career. lakers point guard steve nash, such great court vision, such great passing, he was hoping for
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have been picked up on social media activity. this comes after two attacks in canada this week also linked to radical jihadism. let's discuss this with philip mudd, cnn counterterrorism analyst, former deputy director of the cia counterterrorism center. mr. mudd, thank you very much for joining us on "new day." as always let's deal with the obvious. is this terrorism, this cat with the axe here in the city, this man who tried to kill people in ottawa yesterday, the man who was also trying to do it on monday? >> it's not -- i think the monday incident was terrorism. the incident in ottawa is terrorism. the technical definition is someone who wants to attack or murder innocents for a political cause. i think we saw that clearly on monday and wednesday. the new york incident i'm not certain yet. i've seen what we on his facebook page but you have to assess intent if you want to, in the u.s. government standard decide that somebody's a terrorist and i'm not sure that we know the intent of the new york attacker yet.
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>> well, so it's about whether or not you know why he did it. if he did it -- >> that's right. >> -- because he is spewing some type of thoughts or misguided thoughts about what islam actually is not, doesn't that put him in the category of motivation? >> it does, but i think when you look at these cases we're very quick, whatever it is, about 12 hours in to assessing what was going on in a dead man's mind. in this country we jump quickly from assessing what happened at the incident. we had a hatchet against a couple of policemen to what's happening in somebody's head. my experience is it's pretty hard to figure out what was going on in a dead man's head. >> also as i'm asking you the question i figure to myself, why do i care if it's terrorism? i don't care what you call it. the question is how do you stop it? that's one of the things probably most missed in these recent event. people think this is the easy part, it's just not as many killed, unsophisticated guys, not part of any bigger group, no
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al qaeda or isis coming out and taking claim for it, so it's not as scary. i'm worried that the opposite is true. >> look, one of the challenges in these cases is when you work in the business, watching the media, the media deals with the incidents that are successes for terrorists, that is when somebody's hurt or killed, but let's go behind the scenes for a second, chris. when you're on the inside this is a a hospital triage room, cases coming in every day, you have to rank the cases. lower ranking somebody who is raising money for terrorism, a federal crime but not going to kill somebody typically in the you state. you have to start stepping up, somebody in direct contact with a terrorist operator, somebody who is training, traveled to syria or iraq, somebody using language suggesting they're going to commit an act of violence. at the bottom of that tier are the thousands of people who have hate speech on a facebook page. so when those cases are coming into the triage room at the fbi
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or cia if you want to tell me we can quickly prioritize somebody's facebook page when they say i don't like america you have to budget them ten times more than today because there's so many to follow. >> look at the conversation we're seeing, forget if there's any connection to different events than the other other than maybe copycatting, you have people with troubled backgrounds, deranged mind-sets, linking on to a misconstruction of islam as a moment of their own glory and commit an act of violence. how do you keep track of that? there have to be a million of them. >> to be blunt you walk in the dmv and 10% of the people in there are nuts. one of the problems we face is the newness of the terrorist phenomena, the fact that it's random, the fact that people don't understand the ideological motivation. we deal with gang violence in this country, we deal with white supremacists w sovereign people
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who are nuts. one of the questions we have to ask over time as we grow in sophistication with this problem you've seen this in ottawa, people are cool about dealing with this, is to understand before we go on to whether someone is motivated by a religion or warped version of religi religion, it's like white supremacists, sovereign nation people. lot of guys have a screw loose. we have to focus on that as well and the fact that we have random violence we accept every day in other spheres but we seem to think somehow we can stop it when the motivation is islamic extremism. here is the answer, chris, we can't. >> doesn't mean the system's broken when it does happen and i had an intel guy say to me yesterday, how do you stop it? he said the only tool that we know that works in stopping situations like this, the government has no control over, and that is community awareness, that if you know that someone who is a little off kilter is starting to talk dangerous talk, let people know who can help and assess that guy.
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do you agree with that? >> i do. i think that's one step that works. we've seen it work in cases in the united states. i remember a case at the bureau where a photo clerk at a store was processing photos that showed military training, forwarded them to the fbi. that was one of the more significant cases i remember at the bureau. those guys weren't nuts. they were banding together to attack a military base. we knew because a photo clerk was processing photos. there is one other thing, chris, here, that's frustrating. i was with you last year talking about the edward snowden revelations about how much nsa collects on things like social media, things like what this guy in new york had on his facebook page. americans i think many were disturbed by how much their government collected. today, and this was really frustrating on the inside, people are saying hey, why don't you look at people's facebook pages. when you're on the inside and you're bounced between don't collect too much of our private information and why don't you collect stuff so you can find this guy, that is really frustrating. we're on the first chapter of
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understanding what american citizens want their government to collect because if you want stuff like this stopped, one stage citizen awareness. next stage, do you want me to look at their facebook pages. >> it is a daunting question. we have to decide who we want to be and what we want to do with the tools that we have at our disposal. >> that's right. >> philip mudd, thank you for giving that perspective and being provocative as always, sir. have a good weekend. >> my pleasure. >> alisyn? ebola has hit new york city. the patient spending a week in public before being diagnosed. is the city at risk now and what is the plan to contain it? we'll speak live with the city's health commissioner. growing unrest in ferguson following leaks in the michael brown case. who is behind the leaks and what does michael brown's family think? their attorney joins us. . why not your eye color? new air optix® colors prescription contact lenses enhance your eye color for a naturally beautiful look with consistent comfort.
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californians are discovering the real risks behind prop 46. it was written and paid for by the trial lawyers to make them millions... while, for the rest of us, health care costs go up. no wonder every major newspaper in the state opposes prop 46. they say 46 "overreached in a decidedly cynical way." it's a ploy "for trial lawyers to enrich themselves." and prop 46 has "too many potential drawbacks
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to be worth the risk." time to vote no on prop 46. we learned moments ago officials are considering quarantine for any doctor coming
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back from treating ebola. craig smith returnpencer return doctors without borders last week. how will the u.s. contain ebola? >> we have new york city health commissioner dr. mary bassett and on the phone dr. sanjay gupta. we appreciate you being here and know you're busy. the big question is how is the patient doing and did you get him into the hospital soon enough? >> well, thanks for that question. as far as i know, the patient is stable. the last word on the patient this morning is he continues to be stable. as you heard, he returned to the united states on october 17th and he had been monitoring his temperature. the first time he found a temperature elevation, he called his employer, msf, doctors without borders. they notified us and he came straight to the hospital. so we got him when he had his
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first fear and got him into isolation and treatment. >> sanjay, tell us -- >> all went well. >> that's good to know. sanjay tell us the information you just received from government officials about what might happen in the future with health care workers like this doctor. >> well it's a big topic and what we're hearing, i talked to administration official who said that they are considering a mandatory quarantine for returning health care workers from west africa. now, the balance is, and this was the more nuanced part, the balance is that they don't feel that there's a risk of transmission from someone who is not having symptoms, ebola-like symptoms, but they understand that there is a public fare here as well and you know, part of the confusion, we hear on one hand that dr. greg spencer did exactly what he was supposed to do. i read through the doctors without borders guidelines. he followed them it sounds like perfectly, but when you also
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hear in the next breath that his girlfriend i believe or fiance, i'm not sure of the rupp but she is now under quarantine, it does raise the question, why are some people under quarantine and some people are not. it is confusing. they acknowledge that and want to try and have some clarity on the situation but frankly, even, myself i'm not sure i fully understand why some people are put into a quarantine, like his girlfriend, when it doesn't sound like he was, you know, transmitting the virus at the time that he was taken to the hospital. >> let's discuss this, because this gets to the heart of where the panic comes from. >> sure. >> one important clarification. you said when he got a fever. we've been getting different numbers. obviously the more fever, higher fever, the more sick he is. was it 103 or 100.3? >> it was 100.3 and i want to make clear that the patient always gave us this number. >> okay. >> so the number -- >> the other number was out
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there. >> it was incorrect. >> he wasn't as far along in the process, better for his chance of recovery and the chance he could have spread it. we get to what i've been calling and many call a mixed message, right? i don't know that it's being handled right on the government side and here's why. but keep saying the same thing, all of you. you can't get this, it's very hard to get, only going to be the health care workers who are in deep contact with it and that's why the people even around mr. duncan, may he rest in peace, they haven't gotten it, they're done with quarantine. you search for anybody who has been near these people, you say you may quarantine all of the doctors it sends a mixed message. >> let me back up and try to be as clear as i can about this, and i do want to make sure that we acknowledge the courage of this young man and going to work in west africa, where we know that the epidemic has to be stopped at its source. so this young man was well when he left beguni guinea, well whe
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left europe to come to the united states. he felt well. he had no fever and when he arrived here, he continued to feel well, and took his temperature daily. on october 21st, he started feeling very tired, but the first time that he had a fever was yesterday morning, sometime between 10:00 and 11:00. he now has a diagnosis of ebola. we of course are waiting for the cdc to confirm his laboratory tests, but i think the fact that he was a doctor treating ebola patients, that he has a clinical story that matches ebola and that he's had one presumptive test, all of which have been confirmed so far by the cdc that it's highly unlikely that the cdc won't confirm it later today. he now has a diagnosis of ebola. what we do in public health and what we mean by saying that we have medical detections, we set out to find everybody who he's with been in touch with, we leave no stone unturned.
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there are three individuals who have been served with quarantine orders, his fiance with whom he lives, and other people who had physical contact with him. >> you know, this doctor was from doctors without borders, and they are the gold standard of how to deal with ebola. they have always worn more protective equipment than the cdc even recommended. >> yes. >> they know preparedness. >> yes. >> but he got it. >> yes. >> how can you be so sure that doctors treating him here in new york at bellevue won't also be vulnerable? >> we know that doctors without borders has logged in thousands and thousands of hours in the care of very, very sick patients under very, very difficult conditions in africa, and very few have acquired infection. we mayor in know exactly how it happened, but taking these clothes off seems to be a big risk. here in new york, all of our infectioning control procedures went perfectly from the time the
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patient was picked up to the hospital. they're wearing all of the guideline dictated stuff. >> ppe. >> ppe, and they've also been practicing at it, so practicing really is key to this. not only do you need to know how to use it, you need to practice using it and of course the buddy system, which bellevue adopted very early on. so practice, practice, practice, and we can really eliminate effectively the risk of exposure, but human errors occur. >> we hope you get as little practical practice as necessary. >> i do, too. >> we really do not want the skills to have to be on display. we wish the doctor well. >> absolutely. >> we want to figure out how to let people best digest what this story is about and what it means to them. commissioner thank you very much. >> sanjay thanks for sharing with us the reporting that you've done. that's good information, thank you. another situation that had a lot of people on edge is what's going on in ferguson, missouri. the tensions there still very high. right now it's because grand
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jury testimony in the michael brown case got out to the public. who is behind this leak and why might that matter and what is the family of the teen who was killed think about it? do the details that have been out, now that they are out, what do they mean for officer darren wilson's story? >> he fired in self-defense, he says he did, so we'll speak with the family's lawyer and see what he thinks about that. that's all i crave.e that's where this comes in. only nicorette gum has
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californians are discovering the real risks behind prop 46. it was written and paid for by the trial lawyers to make them millions... while, for the rest of us, health care costs go up. no wonder every major newspaper in the state opposes prop 46. they say 46 "overreached in a decidedly cynical way." it's a ploy "for trial lawyers to enrich themselves." and prop 46 has "too many potential drawbacks to be worth the risk." time to vote no on prop 46. time now for the five things you need to know for your "new day." number one the first confirmed ebola case in new york city dr.
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craig spencer. he is now in isolation at a new york city hospital. the nypd is concerned a violent hatchet attack could have links to terror. the attacker's social media activity is raising red flags. shocking video showing the ottawa gunman hijacking a car after he shot a soldier to death. authorities are now looking into the shooter's suspected ties to islamic extremists in canada. president obama set to meet with a national security team to discuss isis strategy. hundreds of peshmerga fighters will be allowed to travel through turkey to help fight isis in syria. federal prosecutors are looking into the maker of defective air bags. we're updating the five things
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welcome back to "new day" everyone. tensions so high in ferguson, missouri, as leaks about the michael brown case keep trickling out. everyone is denying they are behind the leaks but someone is behind them. attorney general eric holder is said to be exasperated at the repeated breaches but what does this mean for michael brown's family, what do they think of the leaks, and what do you think about whether or not darren wilson will face charges. counselor, if if we can, let's separate the fact of the leaks. >> good morning, john. >> let's separate the fact of the leaks from the agd details that are inside these leaks. first, the fact that there are these leaks. how do you feel about that fact and who do you think is behind them? >> well, i don't know who is behind it. we are certainly disturbed by the leaks themselves. it just deepens the divide or
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distrust that the family initially came into this process with. they were assured a fair and impartial and transparent investigation and now we have these leaks and that just doesn't help to reassure them that this process is fair and impartial. >> i understand if there were leaks as part of this process, it does make you doubt the process. let's talk about some of the alleged details that are inside these leaks though. "the washington post" claiming that there were a half dozen african-american witnesses testifying to the grand jury that, among other things, they saw a fight for control of the gun in and around the car between michael brown and officer darren wilson, that they saw michael brown move toward the officer. do you doubt these claims? >> well, not really, because all of that in my opinion is consistent with what dorian johnson said in the beginning. you got to keep in mind that we
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have two separate and distinct events that are occurring on this day. one is at the car and one is outside of the vehicle. all the time we knew going into this, there was something that occurred at the vehicle. so all of the witnesses are united regarding that fact. there's something that occurred. whether or not there was a struggle over the weapon, we know that mike brown jr. apparently was trying to get away. he was fighting for his life it sounds like. he had been assaulted. >> sir, could i stop you? you said two things. you said two things. you said "we know that, dot dot dot there was a struggle" and you said michael brown was trying to get away supposedly. what do we really know? do you feel like you know all the facts? >> okay. right. and when i say that, i'm relying on those witnesses that i believe, and so those witnesses that other people believe will say what they know. everybody is taking a side. you know, i'm an advocate for
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this family and for this cause and when i say i know, i'm basing my movements, my decision off of the knowledge that i believe in, and so perhaps if i say i believe these things are the way that i just described them, you know, maybe that's a better way to describe it and better for people to swallow. but the fact of the matter is, we got an incident at the car. we have one away from the vehicle and no one, even the six witnesses that claimed that mike brown jr. was coming towards officer darren wilson has said he was bum rushing him and that becomes a critical piece of evidence that's lacking that they claim that everybody's consistent about. >> is it possible that, when all the facts come out, if all the facts come out, that the facts could support that officer darren wilson thought he was firing in self-defense? >> not objectively. i don't care what amount of facts you come up with. you have an unarmed person who
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everyone describes as not having a weapon on him, you have an officer that's 20 to 25 feet away based on his own testimony and he's firing at an unarmed unaggressive individual. there's no tussle for the gun at the time that he shot and killed. there is no weapon in mike brown's hand that poses an immediate threat at the time he's killed. so objectively looking at this scenario at the end of the day, you have an unarmed teen that is shot and killed in broad daylight and i can't imagine any scenario under which that would be justified. >> well, that is a fact, as you say it, there was an unarmed teen shot and killed in broad daylight. what is still in doubt to many people is what led up to that moment. you say there are witnesses that you believe that you have heard from and you believe.
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is it possible that there are other witnesses out there talking to the grand jury that are giving information that you don't know about? >> that might be, john, but let's go back, because i don't want to get too far afield here and get distracted. we're at a probable cause phase. so what that means is that if you have witnesses that are giving testimony that describes a crime, something that occurred as criminal in nature, well then you have a crime that has occurred by that set of witnesses. even if you have a group that contradicts that, now you have a fact question for the jury. you don't have a probable cause standard that you need to follow, because you have credible people that are saying one thing occurred that constituted a crime. so obviously you're going to have some witnesses say they saw this and some may have seen something different. s they' for a jury to decide. not for the grand jury to decide. all they need to decide is
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probable cause and that's why i want to make sure that we're focused in our conversation because we're not trying to try the case at this phase and neither should the grand jury or the public try the case at this point. >> counselor anthony gray, thank you so much for being with us. i think what we all want are the facts to come out and justice to be done here. we appreciate your time. thank you. >> absolutely. ebola in new york city, a doctor hospitalized but not before jogging, bowling, riding the subway. did his actions after he undoubtedly went to save lives in africa, did his actions here put people at risk? stay with us. a party? hi. i'm new ensure active clear protein drink. clear huh? my nutritional standards are high. i'm not juice or fancy water. i've got 8 grams of protein. twist my lid! that's three times more than me. 17 vitamins and minerals. and zero fat! hmmmm. you bring a lot to the party! yay! new ensure active clear protein. 8 grams protein. zero fat.
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that's the way i look at life. looking for something better. especially now that i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat, not caused by a heart valve problem. i was taking warfarin, but wondered if i kept digging, could i come up with something better. my doctor told me about eliquis... for three important reasons. one, in a clinical trial, eliquis was proven to reduce the risk of stroke better than warfarin. two, eliquis had less major bleeding than warfarin. and three, unlike warfarin, there's no routine blood testing. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases
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your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. those three important reasons are why eliquis is a better find for me. ask your doctor today if eliquis is right for you.
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ebola in new york city, what could be a new pattern in terror, there's a lot to on. we get you to "the newsroom" and ms. carol costello. >> thanks a lot chris. have a great weekend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com happening now in "the newsroom" ebola in the big apple. facts, not fear, what you need to know, how it happened and what the doctors are saying this morning. plus breaking overnight a new massive air bag recall, now its german carmaker audi. our cnn money unit is tracking it for you. and 18 days that's how long it reportedly took investigators to act on the tip in the hannah graham case. was it t

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