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ebola in new york city, what could be a new pattern in terror, there's a lot to on. we get you to "the newsroom" and ms. carol costello. >> thanks a lot chris. have a great weekend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com happening now in "the newsroom" ebola in the big apple. facts, not fear, what you need to know, how it happened and what the doctors are saying this morning. plus breaking overnight a new massive air bag recall, now its german carmaker audi. our cnn money unit is tracking it for you. and 18 days that's how long it reportedly took investigators to act on the tip in the hannah graham case. was it too long before her body
was found? let's talk live in the "cnn newsroom." good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we begin with breaking news and rattled nerve here in new york city. this morning an american doctor is hospitalized in isolation battling the first case of ebola to crop up in the nation's most crowded city. 33-year-old craig spencer had been treating ebola patients in west africa, he returned to the united states one week ago today and he had cleared the enhanced screening for ebola at new york's jfk airport, that's because his symptoms did not appear until six days later, just yesterday. his fever spiked and he was rushed to bellevue hospital, one of the medical facilities designated by the state to handle ebola cases. today three people who came into contact with spencer are in quarantine because they dealt with him when he was sick and
doctors say spencer posed absolutely no threat when he visited a bowling alley in new york city or rode the subway. his symptoms had not yet surfaced and therefore he was not contagious. >> we feel good that we were fully prepared. there's no reason for new yorkers to panic or feel that they have anything to worry about on the subway system, et cetera. >> so you're saying governor that -- >> something had to be done, was done. >> you would ride the subway today? you will ride the subway today we hear? >> yes. yes. >> as will i. let's check in with cnn's poppy harlow outside of bellevue hospital where spencer is now undergoing treatment. how is he, poppy? >> reporter: what we know as of yesterday from the mayor of new york city bill de blasio, that time he was in "good shape." we don't have any other updated
details. the focus is on treating him and saving his life. bellevue hospital where imis the hospital designated in new york city to prepare for something like this. they have preparing for months, even in recent weeks running drills. the message here from officials in new york to new yorkers is do not panic. we are as prepared as we could be. you should also know overnight the cdc rapid response team landed here in new york. they are also here helping, but here is how it all unfolded. >> we want to state at the outset there is no reason for new yorkers to be alarmed. >> reporter: this morning the first positive case of ebola hits new york city. 33-year-old dr. craig spencer now in an isolation unit like this one at manhattan's bellevue hospital. dr. spencer returned to new york after treating ebola patients in guinea last friday, though doctors say he wasn't symptomatic until yesterday. october 14th, dr. spencer flies from guinea to brussels, belgium, arriving at new york's
jfk airport three days later, showing no symptoms during his journey. on tuesday, spencer feels tired and fatigued. he was self-monitoring for symptoms, taking his temperature twice a day, but without a fever, he goes out in public. wednesday he goes on a three-mile run, eats at a restaurant and visits the popular park the high line. he then travels from manhattan to brooklyn on the subway. he later takes an uber taxi to go bowling in williamsburg, brooklyn, at an alley called the gutter, now closed until it can be sanitized. thursday morning spencer develops a fever of 100.3 degrees and immediately contacts doctors without borders who calls the health department. that afternoon he is rushed to bellevue hospital and put directly in isolation. later testing positive for ebola. authorities reiterated thursday that careful protocols were followed smoothly at every step and for new yorkers, the risk is
"close to nil." >> he was not symptomatic at that time. he had no fever, and so he did not have a stage of disease that creates a risk of contagiousness on the subway. >> reporter: the city now on heightened alert. >> coordinating and drilling from airports to transportations to subway stations to ambulances to hospitals, so we are as ready as one could be. >> reporter: health officials note three people had contact with spencer, two friends and his fiance, all doing well, but in quarantine. carol, i can also tell you that the hospital where dr. spencer is employed, columbia presbyterian told us he is a committed an responsible doctor. he's not returned to work or treated any patients since returning from guinea. people should not worry about that. i cannot overstate the fact that this disease you're not going to catch it riding on the same
subway train as him or going to the same restaurant as him. that's not how it works. new yorkers need not panic about this. also i've seen a lot of traffic on social media, heard people talking about it here, criticizing this doctor for going out. why was he out? that is a discussion certainly to be had but let's do it in the context of remembering that this is a doctor who risked his own life to if to west africa to cure people, to try to save lives in a region of the world where thousands of people are dying from ebola. so he put his life on the line to try to save them. carol? >> all great points. poppy harlow reporting live in new york city this morning. also new this morning, researchers may be getting closer to a vaccine against ebola. just last hour the world health organization announced five more experimental ebola vaccines will be tested in clinical trials. the trials would be massive involving tens of thousands of people and the w.h.o. is not ruling out the possibility there
could be a mass inoculation program in the first half of next year. new york police officers are being told to watch out for random attacks. this after a bizarre scene where a man with a hatchet attacks four officers in queens. it appears the officers walked into an ambush as the attacker hid behind a bus shelter. late last night the president was briefed on the attack. the question remains, though, is this unprovoked attack tied to the work of terrorists targeting law enforcement? alexandra field joins me now more on this. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. law enforcement officers seem to be saying this was unprovoked, four rookie officers, no confrontation with the man wielding the hatchet. they had just posed together for a picture when suddenly they were ambushed. this morning, law enforcement authorities on heightened alert after this terrifying axe attack in queens yesterday. the assault caught on camera watches this man rushes at four nypd officers, a metal hatchet in hand.
the suspect hitting one in the arm, striking another in the head before two uninjured officers shoot and kill him. law enforcement owe fishes say it appears the suspect was stalking the officers, hiding behind a bus shelter, waiting to attack. the suspect identified as zale h. thompson, cnn now learning he has a criminal record in california and was discharged from the navy for misconduct. on a facebook page bearing his name and location in queens, the black and white profile photo shows an armed masked fighter, spear, sword and rifle at the ready. the cover photo a quote from the koran judging those who have wand wandered astray. the brutal assault comes on the heels of heightened security across north america after radical jihadists recently threatened to attack military and police officers and two attacks in canada motivated by islamic extremism. authorities are investigating any possible links thompson might have had to extremist
groups. >> there's nothing we know as of this time that would indicate that were the case. i think certainly the heightened concerns relative to that type of assault based on what's just happened in canada. >> reporter: both officers struck by thompson's axe now recovering at jamaica hospital. 29-year-old bystander was shot in the back during the scuffle. she was taken to the hospital but her condition remains unknown. carol, at this point investigators say they're not ready to specify what could have motivated this attack but certainly they are looking into the possibility of extremist ties and and you have to consider the background and the context. week ago we saw the attacks unleashed in canada and isis called on sympathizers in the west to launch attacks on men and women in uniform, four uniformed officers here in new york city. >> this is a difficult event tough to protect yourself against. >> we can be vigilant and we've been warned these attacks are a possibility. you see what we've watched
unfold in it canada, you have to step back and think is this preventable even with intelligence when we're aware of the possibility of threats, is there anything you can do to intercept in a case like this. >> alexandra field thank you so much. investigators are going frame by frame through a new video that may show the canada gunman getting into a car near the war memorial just after killing that soldier on wednesday. this video was obtained by the cbc news, shows what could be michael he did half by low entering a car while carrying something in his right hand. according to colonel james reese, cnn global analyst, when analyzing the video you can see a shotgun sling over this man's right shoulder. the barrel goes down the gunman's right leg and it looks like he's trying to hide it under his jacket. the car has no license plates and it is similar to a vehicle now under impound by canadian authorities. police say the gunman was not part of a group of high-risk travelers who applied for a
passport to travel to the middle east. he had been in ottawa since october 2nd, most recently staying at a homeless shelter. top stories for your friday morning, a midair collision between a chopper and a small plane kills three people in frederick, maryland. the plane was flying into the airport and the helicopter was involved in a training exercise when they collided. this morning's "the washington post" is reporting that isis allegedly used chemical weapons for the first time. 11 officers were attacked l.a. month with chlorine gas. officers are reportedly saying isis was behind the attack. the most recent white house fence jumper has tried before. dominic adesanya was arrested in july for hopping over a white house barrier and detained again three days later for trying to break into the department of treasury. new cnn poll out this morning puts georgia democrat michelle nunn over david perdue 47% to 44%.
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yet another recall because of air bag problems. audi is recalling 850,000 a4 models worldwide. the problem with software is preventing the front air bags from deploying in models made after 2012. the pressure is mounting for the government toi issue a nationwie safety call on air bags exploding when they deploy raining metal shrapnels on drivers and front seat passengers in many other car mod models. christina aleci joins me now. so many recalls you can't keep them straight. >> exactly. for the takata air bags that has
a faulty inflater that may send debris into the passenger, the latest round of recalls specifically focussed on areas where there was persistent heat and humidity. some members of congress expressed an extreme amount of outrage yesterday saying out of an abundance of caution these recalls should be nationwide. why are you only focusing on the acute problem. now, we took this question to the national regulator, the national highway traffic safety administration and they said look, there's a limited supply of parts to replace the air bag, to replace the air bag and the part that's faulty so we're addressing the areas where the problems are most acute because if we try and address everything, then there will be a real dramatic shortage for those who need it the most. >> which is disturbing, so what do you do, pray you don't get in an accident if you live in a
cold weather climate and you happen to own one of the cars with the faulty air bags? >> the most important thing that consumers could do is check to make sure that their car is not subject to a recall, and you can do that by either going to the government website, calling the government itself or reaching out to the manufacturer to address, to see whether or not your car is in fact subject to the recall. >> bottom line are cars less safe these days or we expect something should go wrong with our automobile? 52 million cars have been recalled this year alone. >> i think this raises the awareness for consumers to take recalls seriously. sometimes you get the recall notices in the mail and you may not pay that much attention to them, right? and it also raises the awareness for car manufacturers. think of gm and the grilling that it got on congress and in media. they actually put out a release in april, a recall for faulty windshield wipers. that was an example of maybe an
overreaction from an automaker. look, to your question about whether or not cars are actually getting safer, they are. if you look at technology like anti-lock brakes and traction control, that has saved lives or prevented accidents. on the other hand, we have to kind of question the carmakers taking so long to identify the problems in these cars. >> we're going to talk about that in the next hour of "newsroom." christina alesci thank you so much. authorities await dna tests. the man who led them to the remains is speaking out. brian todd has more for you this morning. >> good morning, carol. the dna testing on the human remains is going to be crucial in how we move forward in the hannah graham case. you're going to hear from the man whose tip was instrumental in the discovery of the remains, just ahead.
>> his tip led vrnl owe fishes to a set of remains being tested in the connection with disappearance of hannah graham. bobby pugh a local landscaper is speaking out to who prompted him to alert authorities. brian todd joins me from charlottesville, virginia. what did he tell you, pry an? >> reporter: possiblye e e y boh who he saw on the property after more than two weeks hannah graham went missing tells me it struck at him and still haunts
him. on september 30th he decided to call authorities certaining for hannah graham. >> heading to work that happening, happened to glance to my left at a house that i knew fairly well and noticed the roof as well as a tree in the back corner of the property was full of buzzards. >> reporter: pugh is a landscaper working on this road outside charlottesville. after he spotted the buzzards he went off to work. when he drove by later he noticed something about the type of bird you saw. >> it wasn't your normal deer carcass on the side of the street buzzard, this was 20 to 30 what we call black-headed buzzards which are competitive scavengers. they're pretty aggressive scavengers. >> reporter: pugh says he didn't get out of his car because he didn't want to trespass on the property. human remains were in fact found here. the skull has been brought to a forensic lab in richmond according to a police source close to the investigation. why the skull? >> there isn't any ability to
dna test blood or flesh or body fluid if there's none of that left teeth can be important. >> reporter: the family of hannah graham provided dna to authorities to compare any samples they find. this forensics lab is expected to handle the testing of evidence linking the victim to the suspect. >> all of a sudden you find a dna type on clothing that there's no reason for that could be there, that's when you've got the a-ha effect there. it's like ah-ha, we've found something that might be probative. >> reporter: getting conclusive samples is not always a sure thing. >> maybe you know, bloody clothes are found out in the woods, so they've been sitting out in the environment for a long time so you've got degradation, you got sun, you got moisture, you got chemical things, you know, that could cause degradation. >> reporter: we're waiting for the forensic results that could tell us whether the remains discovered on that property are hannah graham's.
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all right that breaking news concerns the new york hatchet attack. authorities say based on everything they've seen so far there is no indication that zale thompson, the man who wielded the axe, was tied to any radical islamic group. alexandra field is tracking that story. why did they think that? >> this is something they've been looking into based on facebook postings and general questions about the possibility of lone wolf attacks given what we've seen in canada. they've looked whether he could have any radical times. new york city officials are telling us he does not have any ties, he is a convert to islam.
they do not believe the attack was motivated by extremist belief or affiliation. they are looking into his mental health history and looking for more clues about zale thompson by studying his social media activity, they say there are heavy anti-white sentiments that he expresses there, but underscoring the point they do not believe this was motivated by any religious extremism so they are trying to determine why this man wielding a hatchet would go after these four officers, rookie officers who were standing together, had just posed for a photograph. still a lot of questions in this case but at this point authorities are able to tell us that they appear to have ruled out that it was motivated by that. >> alexandra field thank you so much. you'll continue to investigate so come on back later. we're also finding out more information about three teenaged girls who were planning to join isis. u.s. officials say they were flown back to denver after landing in germany on their way to syria. these dwirlz will not face
charges, that's because police say they're teenagers. cnn's toe rowlands has more. >> reporter: as friends describe it, sisters, just 15 and 17 years old, along with their 15-year-old friend, were so determined to join isis they were half way to syria before they were stopped thanks to the father of the 15-year-old who discovered their plans after looking at his daughter's computer. he called authorities and also contacted his friend, colorado state representative daniel kagan. >> she had been tweeting to her friends and discussing this plan to go to syria and strike a blow for justice, as they saw it. >> reporter: authorities say when the girls were stopped at germany, they had their passports, some clothes and about $2,000 they'd stolen from their parents. the girls were sent back to the united states and are now home with their families. >> she's 15 years old. she has completely understood now what she just had no notion
of before of what she was getting involved in. >> reporter: both sets of parents have declined interview requests at the apartment complex where the sisters live. neighbors say they're concerned about the possibility that the girls will do something against the u.s., since they weren't able to fight for isis. >> if they knew what they were doing, yeah, i'm really concerned. >> oh, yeah. i mean, they could just pick up arms any time now. you know? go around the schools or wherever and show up at school and just start killing people. >> reporter: these aren't the first colorado teens with aspirations to join jihad. 19-year-old shannon connolly was arrested in april on her way to syria. she pleaded guilty to conspiracy to provide materiel support to a terrorist organization. the three teenagers are not expected to face charges in part because they're minors. kagan believes the girls were recruited online, isis and other
groups used videos like this to lure westerners to join their cause. according to intelligence estimates more than 100 americans have joined isis to fight in iraq and syria. is there a concern that one or more of these girls will do something down the line? >> well that's a legitimate concern and this is why the fbi is going into extraordinary depth as to how this came about, what has happened since they were apprehended, how much do the girls involved feel an affiliation with this corrupted ideology that has been peddled to them. >> none of the girls has returned to school. both sets of parents are cooperating with authorities as the investigation continues. ted rowlands, cnn, denver. >> thank goodness the girl's father looked at her computer or
she and her friend could well be in syria right now. this case does illustrate how difficult it is to track down americans who become radicalized and want to fight with isis. that's why lawmakers like senator dan coates are criticizing any drastic change to the way the nsa operates. coates is worried senator leahy's bill to curb the nsa's power will disempower the provide. leahy says his bill would require the government to be more specific which records it wants, that means narrowing down the list by names or addresses instead of entire cities or zip codes. the nsa would have to show how any information is linked to a government terrorist and disclose how much data it collects. privacy advocates would have to allowed to argue before the fisa court. right now only the government can lay out its case before the judges. joining me now is the chair of the senate judiciary committee and the bill's sponsor, senator
patrick leahy of vermont. good morning, sir. >> good morning, it's good to be with you. >> it's good to have you here this morning. senator dan coates says your bill goes too far at a time the u.s. needs as many tools in its arsenal as possible, in other words, ice sis inspiring lone wolves notoriously hard to stop. is this the right time to curb the nation's spy agency in >> of course it's the right time. i understand dan coates has his feelings, but he's wrong on this. i think the reason why there are so many people sponsored my bill they go from the right to left and i'll give an example. ted cruz of texas, chuck schumer of new york but more importantly it's backed by the director of national intelligence, by the attorney general. most of the high-tech companies know that if we don't have
something like my bill, they're going to lose tens of billions of dollars in business overseas because people will stop trusting the united states. my bill is just a common sense way of saying collect information, but do it in a way where you protect the interests of innocent people. if you collect everything in some ways you have nothing. the director of nsa started talking about stopping 50 terrorist cases by their massive collection. but when you have to test by an open hearing where you have to follow the law and test accurate will you, th ly that came down to possibly one case. in the meantime, though, their own system was so laxed, they let a 29-year-old subcontractor, edward snowden, walk off with
every embarrassing secret they ever had. >> i'm glad you bring him up. matthew olson, former director of the national counterterrorism center says terrorists are changing how they communicate to avoid surveillance because of edward snowden's disclosures about nsa methods. critics argue they need to refigure their methods without congressional sbrns. do they have a point? >> no fact, no. if they followed some of the rules we talked about you never would have had an edward snowden. this was pure carelessness on the part of the the nsa. they talked about how well they protect everything. they couldn't protect their greatest secrets from a subcontractor. what we're saying is make sure you go after the real targets, make sure do you it in a way that we can follow through. i think that's why the director of national intelligence
supports my bill, but so do groups from the right to the left, the companies that have to actually carry out this mission, they do it, but most importantly, we have some way of knowing if if our government is doing the things it should to keep us safe, and not doing things like just spying on us for the sake of spying on us. those of us live back in the time of j. edgar hoar realize how tyrannical our government could be if it was allowed to spy on everybody with no checks and balances. you're always going to find something that people say oh my god, look at this. we've got a terrorist attack in canada. we forget one of the biggest terrorist attacks in this country was timothy mcveigh in oklahoma city, a retired military person, church-going
american, and nothing they talked about in all of these possible pieces of legislation would have stopped timothy mcveigh from carrying out a horrific murderous attack on americans. >> senator patrick leahy, i have to leave it there, thank you so much. we did extend an invitation to senator dan coates to come on and that invitation still stands. thank you so much, senator leahy. i appreciate it. still to come in "the newsroom," an american doctor returns from africa and becomes the first ebola case in new york city. would a travel ban have prevented this new scare in the nation's most crowded city? a lawmaker says it's time for swift action. an important message for americans eligible
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now. national in your's group will be testifying before the house oversight and government reform committee on the u.s. response to the ebola outbreak. of course we'll keep an eye on the hearing and be getting updates. we'll dip in and listen to the ranking member, congressman elijah cummings is giving his opening remarks. let's listen for just a bit. >> -- to protect our health care workers, many of whom are here today, and to those health care workers on behalf of a grateful congress and a grateful nation, i thank you for what you do every day. i want to express our thanks to nina pham and amber vinson, the two nurses from texas who contracted ebola when they treated mr. duncan. by now, we've all seen their picture pictures, two brave, young women who risked their lives to simply do their job and to feed their souls, just like nurses across this country every single day,
24/7, 365 days a year. i understand that ms. pham's condition has been upgraded and ms. vinson has now been cleared of the virus. we thank them for their bravery and their commitment. this new case in new york should also demonstrate that we can no longer ignore the crisis in west africa. we can no longer ignore it. nearly 10,000 people have died from this disease or are battling with it as with he we speak, many in the most gruesome conditions imaginable. i frmly believe we have a fundamental moral and humanitarian obligation to address the crisis in africa. we are the richest nation in the
world and we have the resourcs s to make the biggest difference. >> all right we're going to hop out of this. you can clearly understand how congressman cummings feels about this issue but let's talk more about this. officials here in new york are trying to tamp down public concerns after learning that the first case of ebola popped up in the city. dr. craig spencer is in a hospital in isolation today. he returned last week from the west african nation of guinea, where he had been treating ebola patients. my next guest believes there should be a travel ban from those countries hardest hit by ebola, maryland congressman andy harris is a medical doctor and member of the republican doctors caucus. welcome, sir. >> good to be with you this morning. >> it's nice to have you here. thanks so much. travel ban, though, would it be enough? most flights from west africa have connecting flights that would be difficult to ban from flying into the united states. are you really talking about visa restrictions? >> well, at the hearing last
week, customs and border protection made it clear that they could know who flying on the connecting flights originated in one of the three countries and a travel ban could be in effect. we'd probably capture 90% to 95% of people attempting to enter the united states even if they come through europe. >> so you're talking about visa restrictions ultimately. >> that's right. of course, if it was an american citizen returning, then i think what we need to do is to have supervised quarantine and the doctor in new york proves that. he came in without a fever but he was a carrier and thank goodness it seems it was caught in time without a large threat of infecting other people but there are other people enter this country who might not be as diligent taking their temperature or reporting back to authorities. >> in your mind, what should this doctor have done when he returned from west africa? >> i think hour best policy really should be supervised quarantine for people returning, and we could build the
quarantine facilities, they wouldn't have to be harsh facilities, but in return for being allowed to come back into the country from a place where a deadly disease is indemic, you'd have to enter a quarantine facility and be supervised for 21 days. >> i know it's hard to talk, i don't know the proper term, hard to talk largely about ebola because it's such a scary virus but a group of infectious disease specialists conducted a study and found less than three infected travelers would get on a plane and less than one would come into the united states. if that's true, wouldn't a travel ban just make a marginal difference? >> look, mr. duncan and this doctor both would have been caught up in a travel ban. we would have gotten them, both of them entered the country, neither of them ferile when they entered the country. i don't care what the study says, two patients have come in, with our current systems in
place and entered the country as carriers of ebola and it is a scary virus. we should do everything we can to contain it to a smaller number of people as possible. >> of course as you well know the government did put new restrictions into place, all travelers from west africa have to come into five airports. there is enhanced screening. those people are supposedly monitored for 21 days. so is that effective at all in your mind? >> you know, it's -- look, it's self-monitoring. again f you're diligent like this doctor was, then self-monitoring might work, but the vast majority of people who are coming in are probably not going to be as diligent. they may mistaking their temperature, may go 12, 24, 36 hours being infectious not knowing they're infectious. if they ultimately do self-report and turn themselves in before they're very sick like mr. duncan was. >> i understand and you know, we always like to be responsible in our coverage of ebola and you're a doctor. if you were in new york city, would you ride the subway today?
>> oh, i would ride the subway today. but i'd also wish that the government would take further steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. >> all right, congressman andy harris thank you for being with me. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
will be issued a warrant for a separate crime. it's for an alleged attempted murder and sexual assault that police say took place in 2005. joining me now are joey jackson and brian todd. brian, i'd like to start with you. it isn't just this 2005 case, there's yet another case that had a conviction but is now being reopened as officials try to discover if jesse matthew had anything to do with that. walk us through that. >> that's right, carol. that's the case of alexis murphy. she was a 17-year-old who went missing in august of 2013. her body was never found, but her abandoned car was found in charlottesville. now officials here tell myself and our colleague jean casarez that there is dna testing, foreign dna testing, from her car that's being done at the fbi lab in quantico, virginia. testing to determine whether that dna matches jesse matthew's
dna. so even though a body was never found and there is a conviction, a gentleman named randy taylor was convicted in that case of murdering alexis murphy, they are testing this car to see if there are any sign of jesse matthew's dna in that car. >> joey, it seems like that would be a difficult task for police. >> carol, there's a couple things. obviously family of that particular victim, they deserve a fresh look, of course, and the defendant himself deserves a fresh look. however, i think that we have to have pause here for a couple of reasons. the county attorney is pretty confident, carol, that they got the right guy. the family is pretty confident that they got the right guy and for good reason, because the person who was convicted, there was, of course, a bloody shirt of the victim found at his home. the cell phone of the victim found at his home. hair extensions of the victim found at his home and the eyeglasses of the victim or at least the eyelashes of the victim found in his home. and in addition to that, we also
know that the defendant in that particular case tried to get out of it by giving a description of another man saying he had cornrows. of course we know jesse matthew has not cornrows but dreadlocks and there's been other misinformation given. so while they should take aa look anew, i think the police are confident and the d.a. is pretty confident that the right guy has been convicted in that particular case. >> okay. well, let's go back to hannah graham. i'd like to talk to you, brian, about the skeletal remains found in southern virginia and how long it might take for police to identify them. >> well, carol, we were told it would take a few days. experts have said everything from two days to identify the remains to maybe 14 days so it could come any time now. the most common refrain we've heard is that it could take anywhere from seven to 10 days. that would put it as possibly making an announcement tomorrow on saturday. possibly next tuesday, but they're being very, very careful. they kept the rest of the skeletal remains on the site for
a few days so that they could just comb over every possible detail. they needed to go underneath the remains to see if dna had seeped into the soil. they had to test around the remains to see if there was any other trace of dna, so they're being extremely careful, carol. so we may not hear maybe for a few days. >> and joey, i'm just wondering. let's say police do identify these remains as hannah graham's, will they immediately charge jesse matthew in the case? >> what happens is this, carol. the fact that there's a body now, we know he has been charged with abduction with intent to defile which is a sex abuse charge which is very significant, okay, but we also know that that charge could be upgraded in the event that this is unanimous graham, most unfortunately, to murder. and in the event that happens, it's significant, the finding of the body, because of the evidence they're looking for. so the time frame they used to do it will depend on when they feel it's right, when they feel
that they have enough, when they feel that it's the appropriate time to upgrade the charges. but just remember, in the event that this is the body, there is a treasure trove of dna evidence that will be very compelling that will lunge whoever did that to that particular crime. >> also, brian, you went to jesse matthew's apartment. what did you discover? >> well, there wasn't much left there that jesse matthew left behind. there's a new tenant in the apartment and most of the you have to is the new tenant's. we saw what we believe jesse matthew left behind was a black food rest smudged with white paint and a rolled up exercise mat. the apartment itself is kind of dark and a little bit dank and it's on the ground floor of a walk up, of a brick walkup in charlottesville, that's all we can tell you. but most of jesse matthew's belongings have been taken away. >> brian todd and joey jackson, thank you very much. i appreciate it. the next hour of cnn "newsroom"