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>> there is no reason for new yorkers to be alarmed? >> no reason to be alarmed, but some certainly are. after word the first patient with ebola in new york road the subway and went bowling before being diagnosed. we're waiting for a live update on that patient. we're going to be hearing from mayor bill de blasio in just a little bit. we will bring you that news conference life. we're expecting another news conference this hour from maryland. an nih briefing declaring that nurse nina pham is now ebola-free and is being discharged. a lot of news, hello, everyone, i'm john berman, michaela pereira is off. ebola has arrived in america's biggest city. dr. craig spencer is now in isolation at a new york hospital, a unit specifically designed to deal with the virus.
but what has some new yorkers on edge is what spencer did before he was rushed to the hospital. he went bowling, he went for a run, he road the city's sprawling and jam-packed subway system. we do know that spencer had been taking his temperature twice a day since he returned to new york a week ago after bravely treating ebola patients in guinea. health officials say spencer was not contagious ebola patients are not contagious until they develop a fever and nausea. dr. spencer did that yesterday. he reportedly did start feeling sluggish a couple days ago. there are questions about why he didn't self-quarantine from the start. why don't all health workers returning from ebola hot zones self-quarantine. we ask that question to experts. dr. spencer's fiance and two friends who had contact with him after his symptoms emerged, they are now under quarantine. city health workers have been canvassing his neighborhood. a swat team from the centers for disease control is now on the
ground here in new york city. new york's governor says this is not the time to panic. >> i understand the fear that comes from that word now, "ebola," and it is scary. there's no doubt about that. but a little dose of reality also, right? this is not transmitted like the flu is transmitted or a common cold or common virus. it's not about sneezing, etc. this is basically bodily fluids transfer when the person is systematic. the more ill the person is, the more contagious the person is. but the person has to be systematic. >> that's new york governor andrew cuomo. dr. spencer is a physician with doctors without borders. he is now the fourth person diagnosed with ebola in the united states. he is at bellevue hospital right now which is one of eight new york medical centers designated to treat ebola patients.
we want to start with our senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen outside that hospital this morning. elizabeth, what's the latest on dr. spencer's condition? >> we haven't heard anything since last night, john, when the mayor said he's in good shape. we have a press conference starting very soon where we will hopefully get more details. we want to know how he's doing and we want to know is he going to be getting a blood transfusion from an ebola survivor? a lot of experts say that's a really helpful treatment. and is he going to be getting an experimental medicine. we know zmapp isn't available but there are other medicines patients can get. john? >> there's been a remarkable rate of success in the united states since the death of thomas eric duncan. the news that nina pham, the nurse who came down with ebola, she is being released after being declared ebola free. elizabeth, let's talk about new york state here. new york state has been preparing for ebola now for weeks. they had training sessions at
the javits center here, they've been doing run throughs in emergency rooms for some time. they seem determined not to make the same mistake that were made in dallas. >> right. in dallas they were just caught totally unaware. they hadn't had ebola training, this gentleman just walked in off the street. they didn't know what to do. that's very different from bellevue. at bellevue they've been training for this. they've been training for protective gear, training for all the little things, what do you do with the dirty sheets and towels, all of that. that is so important. a few weeks ago tom freeden, fre director of the cdc said "any hospital can handle an ebola patient." he doesn't say that anymore. i think he recognized that some hospitals are better at it than others and this hospital would be in the category of being better at it. >> in this pro stress the moment that he saw he had a fever to when he was take on the the hospital who when he was admitted to where he was admitted in that hospital, that has been prepared for some time, a very different situation than
the one in texas. what was not so prepared and what people are now asking questions about, elizabeth, is what dr. spencer did in the previous few days. he was out in public. he was in the subway. he was bowling. so what does the city, what are health officials saying about that? >> you know, i think cdc is beginning to think do we need to have different rules for returning health care workers? because right now anyone who returns from west africa, whether you took care of a patient or never even saw a pick certain, all of just the same person. i say "us" because i came back from liberia last month. that is that you're supposed to take your temperature, monitor your own health symptoms. but i'm hearing talk now that maybe the rules should be different if you took care of an ebola patient. maybe they should be quarantined. that's one option but not the only option i want to make that clear. there is a middle ground here. maybe you tell these returning health care workers, you know what? you don't have to stay at home but we would prefer you don't
get on public transportation. we would prefer you not go to public gatherings like bowling alleys. you can take a walk through central park, you won't be touching anyone there. there's a middle ground between do whatever you want and be quarantined and i'm hearing talk that that may be where they're headed. >> and a lot of the reasons for doing that, elizabeth, is to calm public fears because the science hasn't changed. the science still says until you're systematic, until you are releasing bodily fluids with ebola you are not contagious and as far as we know dr. spencer was not anywhere near that. elizabeth cohen at bellevue, thanks so much. we'll go back as soon as the news conference starts with mayor de blasio. meanwhile, dr. spencer's apartment is sealed off and a crew will decontaminate it. health department workers are getting flyers to neighbors with information on ebola to ease concerns in the area dr. spencer road the subway, he took an uber taxi, he went to a bowling alley. does anyone in those places have
reason to be worried? we will speak to medical professionals about that to ease the fears about that meanwhile, in dr. spencer's neighborhood, our jean cassarez near the apartment building. what 's the situation there? when do you expect them to decontaminate that building? >> i'm right across the street from the apartment and we just had some activity right now. we're expecting the cleanup crew to arrive at any moment but what has just arrived is a new york police department long haul truck and they're putting barricades up. it looks like around the entrance to that apartment. so that means that this cleanup crew isn't far behind. here's what we're learning the cleanup crew is going to do they will be going inside the apartment and according to the city councilmen who represents this district, the cleanup crew 1 going to be looking for bodily fluids of dr. spencer. any item that would have been in
contact with his body such as sheets or polo cases, toothbrushes, a bath towel, they will clean and sanitize the apartment. it will be a meticulous effort, we are told. it will take a long time for it to do. but once they have finished it and hauled off the waste it will be ready for dr. spencer to come back when his rid of ebola. 20 staff are expected to do all of this. the preparation is being done. >> we are looking at live pictures of putting up the barricades. those bare krads to keep people out so the cleaning crews can get in and do their jobs, not because there's concern of the building or that surrounding area being contagious. that is very different situation and we saw in dallas where they struggled for days to hire a
cleaning crew to get into that apartment you've been in that neighborhood for some time. how are people reacting up there to the news that there is a man, dr. spencer, who has been diagnosed with ebola. >> i think they're concerned. i've spoken to people. you've seen residents come out of the building and it's a very serious tone here. this is the first case of ebola in new york city so people are adjusting to it. and i think that those that live in the apartment with the expression on their faces, they realize it's serious. now, we also know that community volunteers are being trained right now to go around the community to help educate people. there's going to be fliers that are give on the the community member this is afternoon to educate them on exactly how you can and cannot contract ebola because there is a lot of fear with this and they want people to not be alarmed because as we know there are only three people at this point that have had that contact which makes them be
required to have that isolation. >> that knowledge is so important here. education matters so much. those are live pictures outside the apartment of dr. craig spencer the first person in new york city at isolation in bellevue hospital, this is the area around his apartment. they're putting up barricades because cleanup crews ared in there we expect very, very soon to decontaminate the area. jean casarez, appreciate you being with us. dr. spencer is the ninth patient treated for ebola in the united states and this morning we have good news about the nurses who caught the virus while caring for thomas eric duncan in dallas. cnn has just learned that nina pham is being discharged from the national institutes of health in maryland. she's being declared ebola-free. that's amazing. samples collected from her dog lently ha ll lly -- bentley, ha negative. amber vinson says her spirits
are high, she is regaining strength. her mother says doctors at emory university hospital in atlanta can no longer detect ebola in her body and she is due to be transferred out of isolation soon. that, of course, such wonderful news. the news not always great from the beginning. of course thomas eric duncan died earlier this month from ebola. still, all the other u.s. patients are now being home or headed there soon. a two-year-old girl has been diagnosed with ebola in mali. she went to that country her grandmother from neighboring guinea where the ebola outbreak is believed to have started. her father died after contracting the deadly virus. local authorities say they are monitoring 43 people who had contact with the girl. the world health organization is sending additional medical experts to mall toy help prevent the spread there of ebola. while one patient is being treated for ebola in new york, as we say, another patient, knee pham, expected to be released. we have an update on both case this is hour, live news conferences, plus, more on dr.
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will give us the latest on the first ebola case here in new york city. we also have other breaking news, very good news on the ebola front that nurse nina pham, who has been being carrot for at the national institutes of health in maryland has been declared ebola-free. she is being discharged from the hospital. there's a news conference coming up shortly on that as well. i want to bring in our guests, sean kaufman is president of the behavioral based improvement solutions. he's on the phone with us from atlanta. and in lima, peru, dr. daniel bausch, the head of the virology and emerging infections department of the u.s. naval medical research department. sean, i want to start with you. we'll talk about this new york case. we were discussing what's going on here in new york city, this dr. craig spencer in isolation at bellevue hospital. there was word that he traveled all over the city in the days before he started exhibiting symptoms. he got a fever. when i heard that, it made me think of what you told us before about the abcs of safe returns
from the ebola hot zone. you just got back from the ebola hot zone in liberia. do you think it was inadvisable, to put it mildly, that dr. spencer was out and about the way he was so soon after returning from africa? >> absolutely not. i think that, you know, folks that are coming from the front line are using science to guide their decisions and, you know, it's not a time to stop living, it's just a time to start living responsibly. and so i think what we've seen with this doctor who has returned, again, from a huge humanitarian effort and, unfortunately, is suffering as a result of that, is that he did behave responsibly and he behaved responsibly in many different ways. he was asystematic, he was living his life but he was assessing himself on a frequent basis and he was in essence keeping himself away, especially away when he started becoming systematic. >> once he was systematic he was alone. as soon as he was systematic he
contacted doctors without borders, they contacted the cdc and other officials so everything went the way it was supposed to. dr. bausch, even though medically speaking the science says he was not a threat because he was not systematic, do you think the cdc needs to get in the game and talk about procedures to lay out some clarity in how health care workers returning from these ebola hot zones have to besave in. >> i think it's fairly clear what we need to do. the science does tell us and this so far looks to be a situation where everything was done right. the risk to a person, even in the very early phases of disease where they have fever and a headache, is extremely low. i think there's very, very little risk to the population regardless of whether -- when he went bowling or was on the subway. so this was done correctly and i think monitoring closely people who come back after exposure or potential exposure in west africa is the right thing to do. just as this patient or this person did. >> i want to make sure our audience listens carefully to what was just said by two
experts dealing with ebola for weeks and month if not years. they say procedures were followed, everything was done and it seems to be they're saying there was no threat to people here in new york city based on what went on in the last few days. dr. bausch, i want is-to-ask you about a remarkable piece of news nurse nina pham is being declared ebola-free. the national institutes of health will hold a news conference in just a few minutes saying she is being discharged. it seems after an awful start here in the united states with thomas eric duncan dying unfortunately after being mishandled by this hospital in dallas there's been a remarkable streak of success in the united states in treating ebola. >> i think what we are seeing is that this is a treatable disease. that's not the underestimate its severity and lethality. obviously it's a very severe disease. nevertheless, we're seeing if we can get people into the right centers, give them modern medical care, give them
intravenous fluids that the outcome can be positive. that's what we're seeing with this nurse, that's what we can see with other cases. i wish we could give that to patients in west africa. >> and sean kaufman, i'll give you the last word here, you just got back from west africa and there's news today of an ebola case in mali yet another, a new west african nation that hadn't had ebola before. what's your sense of where things stand right now in the hot zone? >> well, again, i remain very concerned and the differences between what i see in west africa and what i see in the u.s. i think the news you've shared 1 that, you know, if and when ebola makes it to the u.s., we've got to be vigilant and squash it and it seems that that's what we're doing in this case. the new cases spreading outside of west africa and mallry very troubling and, again, my heart, my thoughts, and my prayers go out to any place or any country where they're going to start to see the effects and then t
danger of ebola. there is a war, there is going to be casualties and, again, we've got to prepare for when it comes. not if, but when it does, remain vigilant and squash it. that's how we'll get ahead of this thing. >> sean kaufman, dr. daniel bausch, thank you so much both for being with us and thank you both for your work in this area. ahead for us at this hour, we expect to hear from new york city mayor bill de blasio updating the public on dr. spencer's condition. we're also expecting to hear from the national institutes of health with the amazing news about the imminent release of nurse nina pham. plus, the man who attacked four new york city police officers with a hatchet. was this violent outburst fuelled by ideology? could we see copy cat attacks? stay with us. .
in new york city this morning we have learned that authorities do not believe the man who wounded two new york city police officers with a hatchet, they do not believe he had ties to islamic radicals. that is what we are being told. now, he is not around to answer any questions because two other police officers shot and killed him before he could inflict any more damage. alexandra field has been doing the reporting on this. what do we know? >> authorities are saying they have been investigating if for last day. they don't see any links to radical islamic groups. they don't see that it was any religious views. so what did motivate this attack which we see this man wielding this hatchet. these were four rookie officers standing together. they had just posed for a toto. what could have motivated this?
this is something police are looking into. there were concerns about social media postings, that's why we got into this initial discussion about whether this could be fuelled by religious extremism. there's pa picture on his if page, a masked fighter with a spear, sword and a rifle, a quote from the koran judging those who wandered astray, police say they found writings in social media which seemed to share a strong anti-white sentiment so they're trying to understand a little bit more about this man, interviewing people who knew him and again looking at the social media trail. >> so they're pulling the threads on that right now. in the meantime, how are police responding to this? because whatever the motivation now, we have a lot going on in north america with attacks on soldiers, now an attack on a police officer, are they changing the way they operate? >> you have to look an the context. they are telling officers across new york city and really this is something law enforcement is hearing across north america to be on heightened alert, to be aware of the possibility of these attacks, particularly loeb wolf attacks. again, this is not a case where they believe someone was
motivated by religious extremism but it will continue to raise the question when we see what happened in canada this week when we hear the calls from isis to launch attacks on uniformed people in the west. >> be alert, be smart. appreciate you being with us. ahead for us, that hatchet attack, the pair of attacks in canada, it has new york and washington and a lot of cities in north america concerned. we'll tell you what's going on and what the real threats are and if they can be stopped. then, one in 13 million. according to that account, that's the chance of catching ebola in the united states. off much better chance of being struck by lightning. we'll dispel the myths around this and what the legitimate fears are. so stay with us. . big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much.
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country's largest city dealing with its first case of ebola. dr. craig spencer in isolation at bellevue hospital here in manhattan. there are some people asking about why he was allowed to travel so much within the city, who he came in contact with before his fever rose to more than 100 degrees. officials say spencer who returned to new york a week ago after bravely treating ebola patients in guinea, he was in a brooklyn bowling alley, he went for a three-mile run, he road the city's crowded subway system. again, all before he was systematic. there's now a go team from the centers for disease control here in new york city. i want to talk about news on both fronts today, the news surrounding dr. spencer, also the remarkable news we just got that nina pham has been declared ebola free and is being discharged from the national institutes of health. joining us by phone are chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta and elizabeth cohen from
bellevue hospital where we are awaiting the news conference. sanjay, let's start with the remarkable news, the gud news. just week ago nina pham was airlifted to the national institutes of health, she had ebola. tests showed today she is ebola-free and is being discharged. >> it's fantastic news, john. obviously it's great news for her. i think it's also -- it can be really important scientifically as we see more and more patients in the united states starting with dr. brantly who was diagnosed in liberia and flown over here, as was nancy writebol, but they both got treatment here. nurse pham, nina pham as you mentioned, they've all done really well. when we talk about the mortality rate surrounding ebola, it's been as high as 90% we know at times in outbreaks in central africa. with early detection, treatment, even just fluid replacement possibly experimental drugs,
they seem to be making a difference. so it's really good news. likely what happened, john, 1 she got a couple blood tests over a few days that showed that she had no evidence of the virus in her blood anymore and that's what it takes to declare somebody ebola free. >> i want to talk more about this remarkable strength of success in treating ebola in the united states but even as some cases come to a close very favorably, i might add. elizabeth cohen outside bellevue hospital, there are new concerns here in new york city with the first ebola patient in the country's biggest city. and now we're learning the fiance of dr. craig spencer, she is under quarantine in that hospital behind you. >> that's right, we've just learned that, cnn's poppy harlow heard from that from one of he sources. and this is to be expected, really. obviously a fiance is going to have close contact with the patient, perhaps helped him if he was feeling sick and also, you know, ebola can be spread sexually through bodily fluids
so these are important things to keep in mind. and i think new yorkers get this. the new yorkers i've been talking to, they get it. they get that there are different levels of exposure. she obviously was much more exposed to dr. spencer than your average person walking around. i have to say, john, talking to people here, people don't seem panicked, this hospital is full, i was just inside. people aren't scared, they're not staying away from this hospital. >> look, elizabeth, that's so important to say. new yorkers are always the ticked off a about something so, yes, people are ticked off about this notion of ebola and where dr. spencer went but i don't sense any fear as i'm walking the streets. sanjay, let's talk about the fact that dr. spencer's fiance is in the hospital. i don't recall any other contacts with the patients here in the united states, the difference ebola patients. i don't recall them being quarantined in a hospital itself. they've been isolated in an apartment here or there. but the fact she is in the hospital, does that indicate to you a heightened degree of
concern about her risk? >> i don't think so. i think when you talk about the quarantine, first of all, it's -- what we're trying to achieve, people are trying to achieve is protecting the public's health. there's no evidence that she is sick so there's no evidence that she would transmit the virus. it's not even confirmed she has the virus so what i think -- there could be a logistical thing, it could be the apartment where she was may not have been a good place for her to stay indoors, to be monitored. you remember in dallas the family and friends of mr. duncan, they were essentially told to stay in that apartment until they could find a new apartment, or a new place for them which they eventually did. it could be that in new york at bellevue hospital they now have an area set up. so people who need to be monitored in this way have a place where they can do that reliably inside. but no evidence she's sick and certainly no evidence that she's going to get anybody else sick.
>> i should say now i do recall some of the health workers in texas who never were diagnosed with ebola did spend time at the hospital. i think they lived out of that hospital for some time as they were in that 21-day period. so this is the type of thing that can happen. sanjay, elizabeth, stick with us right now. we are awaiting to hear from mayor bill de blasio in new york to get the latest on the condition of dr. spencer. we're waiting to hear from the national institutes of health to hear more on the remarkable news of nurse nina pham and being released, declared ebola-free. stay with us. .
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enforcement officer tells cnn that they have no indication that zale thompson had tied to radical islamic groups that, despite a facebook page under his name that had an image of a warrior and a quote from the koran about judgment against those who have strayed from the faith, two officers were wounded in that attack. one had a serious head wound. two other officers shot and killed thompson before he could do more harm. now, whether thompson had jihadist tendencies or not, the timing is notable given the two fatal attack on soldiers in canada, one in ottawa, the other outside montreal. both of those cases do have links to radical jihadism in canada and come after security officials warn of the threat of lone wolf attacks. i want to find out more about what all this information means. we want to speak with security affairs expert and former cia officer peter brooks. peter, thanks so much for being with us. help me unpack this. because we are being told, cnn is being told by a senior law
enforcement official here in new york that the man behind this brutal hatchet attack had no ties to radical islamic groups. nevertheless, he had clear messages of hate, he had quotes from the koran, angry quotes, i might add, on his facebook page. so is this a case, again, of where it's possible to have no ties to a radical group, you're no kmoo n communication with a radical group but maybe you're inspired by this type of message? >> that's right, john. i agree with you and i think the operative word there in that statement from the public official was "group." because he may not have had any ties but these individuals in canada and new york may have been inspired but what we've seen coming out of, for instance, the islamic state, which has called upon its followers, its sympathizers, its foot soldiers, to attack americans, canadian, europeans, australians, anybody involved with the coalition in syria and iraq and especially those in the
security services and they mean the military or law enforcement. so just because somebody hasn't had training by these individuals or had specific contact with these groups doesn't mean they can't be self-radicalized and sympathize with them and then take up action that supports their agenda. so, yeah, i'm not convinced at all that these people don't have some sort of ties, whether it's inspirational or otherwise, to what is happening in the middle east right now. >> and, in fact, based on what we've been hearing from officials over the last several days and weeks, one of the things that concerns them is the possibility of these people acting alone. so, as officials tell us, he did not have ties to radical islamic groups. he came up with these ideas maybe on his own from the internet based on however he was living his life. maybe he was disturbed. that doesn't make him any less dangerous to officials, police officers, military personnel on the ground, does it?
>> absolutely right. i mean, that's the problem here. i mean, we can try to dig deeper and deeper into this, but i think we values to look at the evidence that's presented in front of us. we've had a number of terrible incidents here, smaller scale than something like 9/11, obviously, but this is part of the islamic state's and other extremist groups, the khorasan group and others, this is part of their agenda. so it doesn't diminish the threat we're facing at all, no matter where that inspiration comes from. we're in uncharted water here and i'm afraid, john, we may be dealing with what i'm calling the new normal. >> talk to me about the new normal, then. how bad can this get? because i know one of the fears here is that it's very hard to stop some lone guy. yes, maybe he's disturbed. the guy in canada, he had a disturbed past as well. even if they are disturbed, how do you stop them if they're acting alone? >> very, very difficult and your
guests have talked about that over the last several days. this is a real challenge because if somebody is working alone, it's difficult they don't speak to other people. they're internalizing it. people may dismiss them as being mentally disturbed whereas opposed where you have a cell where people may be talking to other people and there's opportunities to infill trait that. this is very, very difficult. but what i'm worried about is we've made it so difficult for groups to come into the united states like we saw with 9/11, to get at aviation, although they continue to try, and what they're going do -- and this goes back to osama bin laden, john, he talked about the value of recruiting converts who are already in place that can take up arms and support al qaeda or in this case other violent extremist groups agendas. so i call it the new normal because what we're going to see is smaller attacks but it's an old concept. >> it's the type of thing that you know is being discussed at the highest levels of security
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there has been a remarkable streak of success in dealing with some of these -- all of these ebola patients in the united states except for the first one, thomas eric duncan. does this rate of success to you indicate that the united states has turned a corner and is now treating this in a satisfactory way? >> well, in terms of getting sick patients here in the united states and taking care of them, we have the best health care system in the world for all of its faults and failures so our success rate has been very good. kro you're exactly right about that. the reason we had the hearing today is to make sure that the government has a coordinated response on the international front as well to make sure the american citizens and our military men and women that are in harm's way are protected. the hearing today did not tell me the government is doing a good job of coordinating that response. though, if we do take care of these patients, we will get a good result from it.
that is clear. but it's the policies and procedures that we want to make sure are in place so that our department of defense personnel, men and women of our health care front lines of our health care delivery system are protected and we didn't get good answers today, unfortunately. >> part of what you're talking about is what will happen largely in the west african nation, 100,000 u.s. personnel are there. does it give you confidence, though, based on what you are seeing here, that these cases are being isolated when they come up and it is not spreading here in the united states anymore? and does that not perhaps give you confidence about what might happen when these troops go overseas? what more do you want to see? >> well, what i'd like to see is -- well, what we've seen with the cdc is nine different protocols. nine different changes in recent months on how to deal with an
ebola -- somebody who has been in an ebola-affected region. what we want to see is solid protocols for individuals coming home from this region. right now the standard science tells us a 21-day isolation period is the best way to go. our government has said a ten-day isolation period is what they want to see. the doctor we saw yesterday came up with signs of ebola on the 11th day. so what i'd like to see is the government get -- move forward with sound science, have the protocols in place to make sure that those that could potentially be exposed to ebola or separated from population so that this doesn't spread so we don't have any more patients. that's what i'd like to see. >> there does seem to be a discussion of protocol for people returning to the united states where they might self-quarantine or at least restrict their movements. >> it should be a -- it
shouldn't be a self-quarantine. there shouldn't be a self-reporting of this. i think we need to have solid policies and procedures so the american public can have confidence in their government and confidence that we will not expose people needlessly to an absolutely horrifying disease. >> congressman mchenry, thank you so much. a news conference is about to start. we've learned from barbara starr that u.s. personnel in canada are being told not to wear their uniforms when they are not on duty, that is following the attack in ottawa. let's listen to the nih where nina pham is being discharged. >> you have already noticed a guest of honor who will be introduced in a few moments by dr. fauci. i want to recognize the people standing behind me who have been part of the medical team that has cared for nina pham.
among them, really distinguished and remarkably dedicated nurses and social workers and physicians. among the physicians we have dr. rick davey, cliff lane, dr. tara palmore and who am i leaving out? dr. john gallen, the director of the nih clinical center, all of whom have been involved directly in the care of this patient. we think of the national institutes of health as also the national institutes of hope and i think hope just went up a notch today by the fact that we are all here to celebrate the recovery of a patient who was clearly afflicted by a disease and yet under the careful care of this staff is here before you. i'd like to call on dr. tony fauci to come and tell you more about why we are all here. dr. fauci?
[ applause ] >> did you very much, francis. as you probably are anticipating, i have some very good and happy news to impart on you right now. our patient, nina pham, is free of ebola virus. question t we know that because we have multiple determinations of her pcr. she has no virus in her. she feels well. as you will see in a moment and probably have already seen, she looks extraordinarily well. i want to first tell you what a great pleasure and in many respects a privilege it has been for me and the staff here of the clinical studies unit, the clinical studies unit here at nih to have the opportunity to treat and care for and get to know such an extraordinarily courageous and lovely person. she as an individual is extra
ordinary but she also represents the nurses and health care workers who put themselves on the line and put themselves in a risk to take care of people who are in such need. so i'm going to introduce and bring her here. before befo but before i do, first, thank you very much to the doctors and nurses of texas presbyterian who took such good care of her before they sent her to us. i also want to have a recognition for the extraordinary staff of doctors and nurses here in our own clinical studies unit who did an extraordinary job of taking care of nina. nina is very sensitive about the role of nurses because she's such a devoted nurse. so as a tribute to her, i'm wearing the colors of her nursing school, texas christian.
so we should have a shoutout for texas christian for training such an extraordinary individual. [ applause ] so what we will do, i will have nina read a statement. she will not answer any questions. then i will answer a few questions and then she will go back to texas to resume a normal and healthy life. nina? [ applause ] >> good afternoon. i feel fortunate and blessed to be standing here today. i would first and foremost like to thank god, my family and friends. throughout this ordeal, i have put my trust in god and my medical team. i am on my way back to recovery
even as i reflect on how many others have not been so fortunate. of course, i am so incredibly thankful for everyone involved in my car from the moment i became ill and was admitted to texas health presbyterian hospital, dallas, up to today, my discharge from the clinical research center of nih. i would especially like to thank dr. kent brantly for his selfless act of donating plasma to me. as a nurse, i have a special appreciation for the care i've received from so many people. not just doctors and nurses but the entire support team. i believe in the power of prayer because i know so many people all over the world have been praying for me. i do not know how i can ever thank you, everyone enough for their prayers and concern of hope and love. i join you in prayer now for the recovery of others, including my
colleague and friend, amber vinson and dr. craig spencer. i hope that people understand that this illness and whole experience has been very challenging and stressful for me and my family. although i no longer have ebola, i know that it may be a while before i have my strength back. so with gratitude and respect for everyone's concern, i ask for my privacy and for my family's privacy to be respected as a return to texas and try to get back to a normal life and reunite with my dog bentley. thank you, everyone. [ applause ] >> thank you very much, nina. before i open it up for questions, i want to recognize two people who really helped us in linking with nina and getting to know her as essentially a member of our family