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and dr. wendy ross is one of our heros. that will do it for us today. >> there is much more ahead in the next hour of the cnn newsroom. >> have a great day. it is the 11:00 eastern hour of the news room which begins right now. >> he's sitting behind me. i heard the shots. i fell over and i got up and saw everyone running and i ran. >> searching for answers this morning. why did a popular freshman open fire on his student friends at school? >> at first i thought it was just someone making a really loud noise with like a bag with like a big loud pop until i heard nour more after that. and i saw three kids just fall from the table. >> one student and the gunman
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both dead. four other students badly injured. what we're learning today straight ahead. plus the the fear of ebola hits new york city. a doctor there is now battling the disease. we dig into how much further this virus could spread. and a man charged at new york police officer with a hatchet in broad daylight. what the shocking attack shows about the threat posed by loan wolves. we start in marysville watch a day after a deadly school shooting a, community in shock and overcome by grief. an hour from now we're expecting an update from one of the hospitals treating students injured in that shooting. we'll bring that live. here is what we know. one girl killed, four students hurt and they are in intensive care at two hospitals. witnesses say the shooter is 14-year-old jalen fryberg.
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and his forever says he targeted his cousins. he shot and killed himself. learning new details from the sheriff this morning as well. they say they have finished their on scene investigation and they have recovered a handgun. we're also learning that a school employee tried to stop the shooter. dan simon is following the story live. what else are you learning from investigators. >> reporter: we are at providence hospital here in everett, washington. where two of the victims are receiving care. they both have significant gunshot wounds after being shot at very close range. the focus is on the victims today and the police investigation. >> reporter: hundreds gather at washington state church just hours after a nearby school shooting seeking comfort. it was around 10:30 a.m. pacific time, student s gathered in a
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crowded cafeteria. when freshman jalen fryberg opened fire with a handgun apparently tiergt targeting a specific table. >> the table he went up to he came up from behind and had a gun in his hand and fired about six bullets into the backs of them. and they were his friends. so it wasn't just random. >> students scattered. many of the rest of the building say they thought a fire drill was underway. and many ran outside. >> he's sitting behind me. i heard the shots and fell over and i got up i saw everyone running and i ran. >> teachers starting herding others into classrooms and ordering a lockdown. at some point someone inside placed a 911 call and by 10:30
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police were swarming the building. going room to room placing tape over the doors of those they had secured so they would know what had already been checked and in the process they discovered had gunmen. by noon, fesofficially saying h was dead. a female student was also killed in the attack. and four other students are hospitalized. the grandfather of one of the survivors says the shooter and two of the wounded are related. >> all three of them are cousins. all three of them are cousins and they live right close to each other. >> fryberg was considered to be a well liked student and recently elected homecoming prince. but his social media accounts paint two different pictures. his facebook page shows active engagement and pride with the native american tulalip tribe.
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but turn the twitter is and a second more troubling image appears. in recent months he tweeted multiple times a day. it breaks me. it actually does. i know it seems like i'm sweating it off but i'm not and i never will be able. i'm tired of this explea time. i'm so done. and 30 hours before the attack he sent this. it won't last. it will never last. for student who is live through the attack it is a day they will never forget. >> i heard the guns and i turn around and he's pulling it and shooting everyone. and there is blood everywhere and some got on other girl's faces and stuff. >> and for the school employee who tried to intervene we are getting conflicted reporting whether it was a cafeteria work ore teacher. but the bottom line is the when the shooting was happening this teacher rushed over to the shooter or the cafeteria worker.
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she put her hand on his arm and somehow tried to intervene. moments later the shooter obviously took his own life. whether or not her actions altered the outcome in my way, of course we don't know that. but certainly a very brave action indeed. >> brave indeed. dan simon, thanks so much. now you'll be joining us later with the latest updates from that region. in the meantime some eye witnesses described chaos and shear panic as the shooting happened. joining me by phone is alex pietsch, a 15-year-old student who was in the cafeteria and saw the actual gun used in the attack. alex thanks for being was. how are you feeling today? what are your thoughts, fears, concerns? >> well i'm not really afraid as much as i am just really shocked. it didn't hit me until today how serious this was because it happened so fast. and i know some people that were
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on the table. and i was concerned for them. and i'm a sophomore and all of the people tharm involved -- almost all the people involved were freshman. so i didn't really know them as well as i probably should have. but it's still really saddening to know something happened at your school and it is just really shocking that something like this could half happen to you. >> and dou you also keep replaying the events, what happened when you were in the cafeteria, and what are the thoughts that come to mind. >> i do replay those events. its' been replaying all day for the past two days. or this morning and yesterday. but i remember just hearing the gunshots but i didn't -- i thought they were fire crackers. because i thought someone, you know, was having fun on friday but i look back and there is a gun in someone's hand.
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and you just see this panic on everyone's face and they just hit the wall because they just want to get away. and what i was thinking was not just staying down. i had to run so i ran out of the nearest exit and jumped the fence to go call my mom. >> and then what about this young man jalen fryberg? he had just been named a homecoming prince last week. so if you didn't know him personally, at least perhaps you knew him from that. he was a popular student. describe for me kind of the surprise and shock that he would be the gunman and that he would also end up killing himself. >> it's weird to think about. because you see him and he is such a happy person. like you never really see him be so angry and so upset. and you could just -- the way i was hearing it people were
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telling me who it was when i was getting in my mom's car. and i was like what? this is not happening. like this is crazy. it was just -- it was just surprising to me that him out of all people would be the one. >> and then i understand you know some of the people who are being treated in the hospital right now. what can you tell me about your friends? >> well, they were probably some of the nicest people i knew. they were nice to everybody. they were nice to me even though since -- they didn't really see me that much. they were nice to me when they saw me. and, you know, they were -- everyone was beautiful inside and out. and just can't believe this happened to them. they didn't deserve it. no one deserves this. >> well alex, of course we're wishing the full recovery of your fellow student there is in the hospital. and thanks so much for reflecting. i know this is a tough time.
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and i'm sure as a community you all will continue to pull together and look towards better days straight ahead at your school. thanks so much alex. >> you're welcome. >> so while there may be some signs that point the a possible motive in yesterday's shooting right now no one knows why fryberg pulled the trig herb, especially on his own cousins. i want to dig deeper now in this with steve rogers. he is a served as detective in jersey and if fbi joint terrorism task force. and marissa rendazzo has studied multiple school shootings. marissa first, the boy's grandfather says the shooting was not random. he says fryberg targets his cousins and may have been upset about the break one his girlfriend. so how do you make sense of all this. >> just as you were saying,
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investigators are still trying to figure out what the motives were in this particular case. but what we know from 15 years of studying these across the u.s. is the students who carry out these shootings usually do so when they are at that point of the personal despondencesy or possibly even suicidal. and what we've seen so far leads us to think that may be true in this case. he had a personal problem, was overwhelmed and chose only particular targets as a way to solve that problem or get out of of his own personal pain. >> this is so perplexing for so many. because, you know, everybody has problems or a bad day or has encountered somebody they are uncomfortable with or they don't like. and in this case, you know, people always want to see if there were signs, things leading up to, if there were mixed signals, etc. but just that there was this
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dialogue over twitter, over social media involving mr. fryberg and others. would that be a big enough flag in your view to think that this could be the end result of that kind of angst? >> mars ra is right. usually there is a long history of indicators. and a lot of those indicators are on the internet. but i got to tell you what is baffling and unusual about this case is that for, you know, the investigation is leading to the point that this was a good kid. this was a kid that was the prince, he was in football. he was in sports. academically doing well. and that is what's baffling. but there are indicators, as melissa said that usually lead up to an individual who will outreach breaking point and then commit such an act. in this case there wasn't many indicators except the recent twitters. >> and preventing gun violence. and the president dan gross saying quote today's events
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underscore the startling fact that for the last two decades the rate of school shootings in washington state was more than device the national average. but what dawoes that mean. because if there are no real kmn denominators here as to why one school shooting takes place and another takes place around the corner. how does anyone make sense of this? how does a school system put in place protective measures? how do family system have conversations to try to resolve conversation? >> i can tell you in a case like this almost impossible to stop because it is impossible to predict. but here is a key. a common denominator i found in a lot of these cases. maybe not this one but a lot. parents need to spend more time where the the children. and family time is very important. and the mom and the dad is going to know. they are going to know if their child is troubled by something just by simple conversation.
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so that could be a big, big factor in preventing a lot of this. >> all right. steve rogers, marissa rendoza. thank you to both of you. still had ahead. new york and new jersey going a step further than the cdc to control ebola in the u.s. >> reporter: doctors and nurses who bravery volunteer to take care of ebola patients in west africa will face a quarantine in new york and new jersey. and why that might hurt instead of help after break.
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airport and was immediately quarantined when officials learned she had been treating ae patients in west africa. officials ordering a 21 day mandatory quarantine for some travelers coming from the ebola hot zone. the ww.h.o. it's now exceeded 10 thousand worldwide and 5,000 deaths. outside bellevue with dr. craig spencer is being treated. elizabeth, i was in new york when the news broke and visible concern from people there spread kind of like wild fire with people expressing worries about all the places we went like subways to a bowling alley. so what is it like there today and more importantly how is dr. spencer doing. >> reporter: we're told he's in stable condition. talking to people on his cell
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phone. all in all he seems to be doing well considering he has ebola. the sentiment i get is people were more sort of ticked off. they are wondering if he's felling sluggish and why he was running and around. and when i went to the hospital there is a ton of people in there. a lot of attention dr. spebser went to a bowling alley. we're hearing the bowling alley is now being cleaned by hazmat crews and new york and new jersey saying in the meantime any healthcare worker may be quaranti quarantined. so dr. spencer is stable and doing well and they are locking for his contacts. >> there is no cause for alarm. >> new york city health officials urging calm as they look for anyone who had contact with dr. craig spencer u the city's first ebola patient. >> the patient continues to be stable at bellevue hospital, where he remains hospitalized on the isolation unit. >> the 33-year-old doctor
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returned to the u.s. last week after treating ebola patients in guinea with doctors without borders. three people who had contact with dr. spencer have been quarantined. including his fiancé who will be monitored for symptoms over the next 21 days. >> and as hazmat crews work to decontaminate his apartment officials are retracing his steps and alerting all who may have come in con fact with him. >> we want to find every person with whom he may have been in contact and account for all of his time from the time he dwomd symptoms. >> on wednesday just one day before his diagnosis he was out and about new york. visiting a the bowling alley in brooklyn. and riding the subway. the medical department released a statement listing their actions to decontaminate rail
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cars and adding that it is safe to travel. dallas nurse nina pham is ebola free today. >> this illness and whole experience has been very stressful and challenging for me and my family. although i no longer have ebola i know that it may be a while before i have my strength back. >> the nih director said no experimental drugs were given to fam while under their care. exactly when or why she turned the corner is hard to pinpoint but the blood transformation from dr. ken brantly could have been a factor. >> certainly that could have been the case but when you have so many separate factors tanlt in at the same time into the care of a patient it is vitali impossibi virtually impossible to say this is the thing that did it or not. >> pham was invited to the white house where she received a hug
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from president obama in the oval office. and reports the other dallas care giver to contract ebola amber vincent, tests no longer detect the virus in her blood. she remains under close watch. so doctors and nurses who volunteered to go to africa when they come back to new york and new jersey, they will face a 21 day quarantine. and fred, doctors and nurses tell me they won't go back to africa if they face that quarantine. that will make the outbreak even worse. >> something more we'll talk about later. thanks elizabeth. you are going to be joining our panel discussion coming u. also a hatchet attack in new york now officially ruled an act of terror. which raises new concerns about lone wolf tacks and how to stop them. that's next ♪
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. the new york police commissioner called ate violent act of terror. a hatchet attack on new york city police officers. comes on the heels of the deadly shooting in canada's parliament and raises new concerns about what intelligence services fear most, a largely self radicalized person who attacks a target he
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has privately chosen? a lone wolf? joining me is peter bergen. both attacks appear to be completed by loners who were self radicalized online. when we talk about lone wolves or say the three teenage girls from colorado who were lurid to join the fight over seas by an online pred tar you say those are our biggest threat. why? >> good news and bad news. if lone wolves are the biggest threat we face that is a form of good news. when al qaeda attacked on 9/11 that was the opposite. a very organized group with members doing all sorts of activities. when you look at the lone wolf attack on the canadian parliament for a attack on the new york subway. undoubtedly tragedies. one officer killed and a soldier in canada. and a police officer was wounded
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in new york. but these are not -- these are individual tragedies. these are not national catastrophes. and that is the difference. so in a sense fr, shows in a se the system overall is working. it's very hard to organize as a group now to carry out an attack. very hard for a foreign terrorist organization to send one of its members to the united states. so you are left with these self radical iizin radicalizing. they radicalize on line. they are very hard to stop but they don't usually pose a particularly big threat. >> so when you say the system is working you are talking about the counterterrorism efforts, right? >> sure. >> but when we do talk about lone wolves or someone inspired to attack a high profile person or place, it really does speak to the success of this cyber recruiting, doesn't it? >> yeah but again there there is
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also a double edged picture here. because these online recruiting efforts are pretty successful but they are also something law enforcement can track very easily. and in fact of the dozen case weefs seen of americans who try to go fight in syria or have succe succeeded, almost all of them have pretty active social media profiles which makes them very easy for law enforcement to track. >> peter bergen. thanks. always good to see you. next what's ahead in the fight against evil? with the release of the nurse nina pham i'll and if u.s. hospitals are getting a handle on how to treat this fightening disease? and for many, it's a struggle to keep your a1c down.
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♪ hello again. i'm fredericka whitfield. several stories we are covering this morning. in washington state investigators are trying to figure out with why a popular freshman opened fire on his peers including his cousins. and we're learning about the heroic efforts of one school worker who tried to step? >> she grabs his arm like a hand on hand. it happens like in seconds. >> and the remains of university of virginia student hannah graham has been identified. we'll look closer at where authorities are now focussing their investigation. and following new york city's first ebola case, new york officials are ordering a
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mandatory 21 day quarantine of returning healthcare workers from country lgs hit hard by the virus. and a woman arriving yesterday was quarantined when officials learn she was treating patients in west africa. she testing negative. our expersonal pant panel is he. good to see both of you ladies. nurse pham, who contracted ebola from the patient in dallas who died is now out. she looked good at that news conference yesterday. what does her situation tell us about how to treat ebola patients, dr. grounder?
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>> i was really pleased to see her walk out, look pretty healthy actually at that news conference. i think the key thing that we've learned from our experience with nina pham in contrast for example to thomas duncan is that time is of the essence when treating a patient with ebola. you need to institute treatment as soon as possible. and nina fam was monitoring her own symptoms and as soon as she developed symptoms presented for attention. and in the case of the thomas duncan there was at least a two day delay and that made a big difference. >> so e elizabeth, does it feel like especially with the success of this nurse, you know, dr. sacher, that there have been a number of people who have been treated now in the u.s. whether they contracted overseas or in the case of nurse pham, how much more encouragement is this sending to especially go along with the federal message
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from public health authorities and cdc who are saying it is not that easy to contract this disease. we are a country with a health system that can handle when there is a patient. how reaffirming is nurse pham's release? >> i think fredericka, it is very reampffirming as is the recovery of every other u.s. ebola patient, except for sadly thomas eric duncan. health experts are saying the situation would be different here than west africa because of the health system. and they were right. everyone has survived except for mr. duncan and as just pointed out his care was delayed. it took them days to get him ab experimental drug and a blood transformation. transfusion. so i think when you get someone help quickly in this country the chances of survival are quite
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high. >> so dr., now you have this doctor being treated in new york and then you have engineers and netwo -- new jersey and new york saying there is going to be a mandatory quarantine for those returning from the countries hit hard from ebola. is this smart in your view or does this undermine the federal response and federal guidance given to various states and hospitals? >> i think this is not a scientific decision. it is a decision that's been made on the basis of fear and public relations. and i do have very real concerns, especially since i am somebody whose planning to go myself, that this is really going to prevent some people from volunteering. we are already having difficulty recruiting healthcare workers to go over and if you are going to institute even what frankly feel
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like punitive measures against people who are volunteering their time, taking real risks it. just doesn't feel right and fair. >> and you are already hearing that from members of the medical community who say now this is becoming a deterrent to even going back to west africa to assist? >> right. i was just talking with a pediatrician, who's been volunteering in sierra leone for the past month and i said will you go back and he said no if there is a quarantine i will not go back again. you take a month out of your life to risk your life to take care of patients in africa and then you come back and 21 days you are in quarantine? and this doctor is flying home through newark but he lives in new orleans. so they are going to keep this new orleans doctor in new jersey for three weeks? for what? he is perfectly capable. he is incapable of the spreading ebola. and i've been on the phone with officials and folks from the mayor's office here and they said this was stunning,
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surprising, shocking. they had no idea. it sounds like the two governors went rogue and didn't consult anyone. >> oh my. thank you so much to goetth both of you. still ahead the remains of hannah graham the missing university of virginia student now identified. where the investigation goes from here. that's next
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authorities confirmed human remains belonged to missing uva student hannah graham. police say he was caught on surveillance camera following her the night she disappeared but the investigation is far from over. cnn gene casarez joins us now on the phone. now there configuration of thco
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of the remains. where does this take the investigation. >> this is the first phase, the identification of the remains. a very somber time for the community and they have to take that all in. but the chief medical examiners office work has only begun. now they have the try to determine the cause and manner of the death. the cause of the death, meaning how did she die? and that can be difficult when you just have skeletal remains. and then the manner of death on the side being by another. and both of those are questioning at that point. but i think the key to this case and this criminal investigation, because that is what it is now. is those pants. and all of my sources tell me that is the only thing they found were her black pants. they didn't find the top she was wearing, her cell phone. that's why one of the reasons they were down all of those searches this last week.
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but those pants will be tested in the forensic lab and it may be undergoing right now to try to find foreign dna. and of course to see if there is a match there with jessie matthew. if there is these charging for mr. matthew could be elevated. >> will they say where the pants were found in relation to the skeletal remains? >> were found near. nearby. of course then you have a question well, does that mean that they were taken off her and not on her or animals come in and they can rip things. so were they taken away nearby by animals? we don't know. >> all right. jean casarez, thanks so much. we appreciate it. all right it is the biggest academic scandal to hit college sports in decades. the cheating scheme at north carolina. what is next for this
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for almost two decades, thousands of students at the university of north carolina, many of them athletes, took classes that never actually happened. and they got a's, based on
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writing one paper that was sometimes not even read. but they stayed eligible to play on their teams. those stunning findings come out of an eighth-month investigation at the university. the story that's shaking a college community. >> reporter: top notch teams alongside excellent academics. that's been the foundation of unc's national reputation. the school is now admitting to a widespread fraud, keeping athletes eligible by enrolling them in fake classes. >> the length of time that this behavior went on and the number of people involved is really shocking. >> reporter: whistle blower mary willingham, tutor to athletes, said unc had not owned up to the full scope of the scandal. unc immediately tried to shut her down, attacking her credibility. >> it wasn't just my colleagues in the athletic department that were mad at me, angry with me.
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>> reporter: now an independent report confirms her claims that many people knew about the fraud and it lasted for many years than what originally thought. >> glaring oversights in the report. >> reporter: 3,100 students took so-called paper classes. students never had to go to class, only write a paper. and they always received a good grade. counselors steered the athletes to the classes so they could remain eligible to play. >> they were, in their terms, gpa boosters. they knew that these were classes that gave disproportionately high grades, regardless of quality. >> the university had previously said the paper classes were the work of one rogue professor, head of the afro-american studies program, but the report says it's actually his assistant, debbie crowder, who
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mastermind the whole system out of sympathy for students who were, quote, not the best and the brightest. three of the national basketball championships the team won could now be in jeopardy. and while the news has this prestigious school and its proud alumni reeling, it comes as no surprise to mary willingham. >> what's upsetting still, we still have athletes here at carolina and across the country that aren't getting the real education that we're promising them. >> fredricka, one of the things that the university criticized mary willingham for is when she said that these athletes, many of these athletes at university were being brought in and were underprepared. they were not prepared for the rigor of classes at the university of carolina. the e-mails that were uncovered seem to show that she was right about that all along. i also want to tell you, fred, i spoke yesterday to the association that accredits the university of north carolina.
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they are reviewing this. they did say it was unlikely that a school like this would lose their accreditation. last time they reviewed the paper class scandal, what they did was force the university to offer additional classes to those who were in the paper classes. but the students, if they had already graduated, were not forced to take those classes over again. this time, it appears that there were many students who took multiple paper classes. one student took up to 19 paper classes. >> oh, my gosh. >> fred, so the question is now, are these degrees valid? that's something that the university has to decide and they haven't decided yet. >>o my goodness. all right, sara. stay with me. let's now have a bigger, broader conversation here. joining us via skype from chapel hill, north carolina, jay smith, unc professor, who worked closely with mary willingham, who we just saw in your piece, sara. jay wrote a book about the scandal with mary called "cheated," that book coming out next year.
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jay, you were not surprised about all this. you have been doing the research on this. surprised perhaps now that there's acknowledgement as a result of this independent investigation that this problem is deep and it's been going on for a long time? >> right. i can't say i'm surprised really at the findings in the report. seeming to want to turn a corner and -- >> we apologize. the signal is not good. i'll try to keep the conversation with you, jay. you think unc is trying to turn the corner and that is encouragement. that is really encouraging when you look at, you know, students incoming and those who continue to be enrolled there. but then what about all the students who have either graduated with this kind of
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system or those who have, you know, been able to win those titles that sara talked about that are now in swrepd. what should happen, if anything, to them? because, you know, certainly they were done a great disservice by not being able to get a good education. many of whom might be struggling, you know, in their post unc years even. >> right. right. well, the chancellor and the athletic director recently announced that unc plans to deliver on the promise of an education for its athletes who left university without having completed their degrees. i would like to see them extend that, to extend that program and to enable those who were cheated of their educations by having been steered into or forced into these paper classes, to allow them also to come back and to complete or complement their educations so that their degrees are not under a cloud, are not
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stained in this way. >> and then, sara, you mentioned these championships might be in jeopardy. what is being weighed here? how will that decision be made? >> that decision will be made by the ncaa, which reopened its investigation into the university a few months back, after, you know, more allegations began to surface. originally the ncaa said this didn't appear to have anything to do with athletics. we now know that that was not true. it had a lot to do with athletics. they are reviewing. they have a full copy of the report released this week. we do anticipate some kind of decision from them. you know, certainly a lot of wins are in question. and at least three championships while -- i do believe that realistically it's only two, the one that they won in 1993, that was the year that the paper classes began. and so really, realistically, 2005, 2009, that was the height of the scandal. those two hachampionships could
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