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did fryberg signal his apparent rage? we'll read you disturbing new messages and finally, we're learning more about the victims fighting to stay alive. a doctor says things are very touch and go right now for the two injured girls. >> we've seen tears, anger, they are just grieving. r right now, i think they are just settled in. things are quiet. they know the circumstances, they're hoping for the best, but the next three days are going to be crucial. these young people are being monitored moment by moment. they have a nurse at their bedside constantly. a doctor is very nearby constantly. all the neurosurgeons have rounded this morning and will be rounding throughout the day, but this will be a process that takes, we won't know a lot more for the next two or three days. >> and heals of course is going to take weeks, not years. we are covering every angle.
let's begin with cnn's national correspondent, susan candiotti, tracking the story outside the hospital in washington, which is north of seattle, where those two 14-year-old girls are fighting to stay alive. what are you hearing on the ground there? >> what a sad situation here for this community as we hear about yet another fatal school shooting happening. police say they are still gathering details, trying to find out exactly what happened at that high school. in fact, they were working late into the night on friday picking up evidence at the scene and interviewing witnesses. we also understand that later this day, we can expect more information from the medical examiner's office. very likely with more details about the cause of death of the shooter and as he turned the gun on himself and also, when he killed one of the students at sitting at that table. remember, everyone is describing
that he seemed to know who he was targeting when he walked up and shot them all from behind before turning the gun on himself. and what's particularly sad about this as we speak to the doctors here at this hospital and the other one as well, is how all of this has had a personal impact on them, too. listen. >> i'm drained and it's hard for me to even start thinking about this without thinking about my own children. they're out of high school. but i talked to one of my daughters last night and we talked through what would it have been like if this happened at her high school. we were both crying. >> again, the motive is very unclear at this time, ana. some people are saying did it have anything to do with a break up he recently had or might it have had something to do with a
recent suspension. he had just come back to school after being thrown out following a fight at football practice. that's what students are telling us when he was allegedly bullied. >> some new information, thank you. we also know jaylen fryberg recently endured teenage heartbreak. did anyone miss signs his troubles ran much deeper? did he reveal anything in the days leading up to his attack? joining me to discuss -- and i know frank, you were there when that tragedy happened. let's start with you. you experienced the horror of this deadly shooting when you were principal at columbine. based on the lessons you learned there, what can leaders in marysville be doing now to help kick start healing? >> the thing that's most difficult is people are in different places i'm sure
they're definitely still in shock. there's people grieving. there's people that are angry and just providing the support that the people need and what i learned in and i've used this comment ever since, if i made 70% happy on any particular day or met the needs of 70%, that it was a successful day. but there's a lot of support. unfortunately, this school now becomes part of a club that no one wants to be a member. >> absolutely. one thing that is so hard at a time like this is trying to understand why it happened. trying to make sense of how this school could end up in such a tragic situation. so, jeff, let's focus on the possible motive. some tweets that jaylen fryberg apparently put out there in days right before this. going to read a couple from this week. on tuesday, he wrote this. he said it breaks me, it actually does. i know it seems like i'm sweating it off, but i'm not and i never will be able to. and then in fryberg's final
tweet, this was on thursday, he says quote, it won't last. it will never last. jeff, what do you make of those? >> it lets us know we don't know the specifics of what the tweets are bringing forth, but what's urn underneath, we see heartbreak. i'm never going to get over this. i'm never going to be better. and we see the person is saying i don't think i'm going to live much long r. whatever the situation is, it's not going to last and we're not talking about a positive resolution, we can see that. i see someone who is severely depressed and i think part of what went on with fryberg being so popular, the homecoming prince, the athlete and so on, this is a person perhaps on the outside who lived the life of perfection. so, when things started falling apart, if in fact he was picked on by someone else, we talked
about that fight. if it was a situation of where his girlfriend, he felt was taken from him, all of those things begin to crash that outside persona and what's really inside that fragile personality, that scared child, that very depressed person now all of that rage brings that all out and perhaps to some sort of a break. an emotional break, a psychotic break. they said when he was firing the gun, his face was like stone. so, something happened at that point where he just went into automatic mode. >> so often i tell myself and others like fake it until you make it. when you're going through those hard time, but i guess to some degree, that could also be harming you as an individual. >> a lot of people can fake it until they make it or they try to struggle or hang on, but we're not all created the same and there are those even though they appear to be super strong and popular, underneath, there's
a very, very fragile personality. that can easily be broken in time. >> i want to read a couple more tweets from fryberg in recent months. this is a tweet in august. he says you're going to piss me off and then some explative, going to go down and i don't think you'll like it. also in late june, he wrote might as well die now. so, let's start with you frank and jeff. you listen to these tweets or see these messages he writes about possibly dying. frank, what is the appropriate reaction here? >> well, you know, i think at kocolumbine columbine, usually when these kids are carrying out these act, they are broadcasting it. there are warning signs. in the case of the two at columbine, they started planning the attack about a year prior to them actually carrying out their plan and they were, they
videotaped it and they became known as these basement tapes and basically what happens is that a cry out for help and what we have learned from columbine high school now, and it was a wake-up call for our nation if there are warning signs, if teachers are seeing things that have been written, if students are seeing things posted on facebook or other social networking places, do we empower those kids to go forward. someone had to see those tweets. what action could we take? could we have gotten help for this kid, he had made a decision his life was in shambles. what's the next step forward and i think we can't underestimate getting the help these kids need. >> and jeff, i want to ask you about these red flags, but we've got to take a quick break, so stay tuned. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars.
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warning signs in this case. we read a couple of tweets from the killer in this case before the break and i want to get your reaction to jeff, who's here with me, as well as former principal of columbine high school, who was there during the tragedy that happened in littleton, colorado. we talked about the tweets and perhaps red flags in hindsight. >> that's right. >> what do you think about those is this should somebody have done something after seeing those is this. >> you would think after what happened in columbine and of course frank talked about this, these are red flags and we have to learn from all the school shootings, but the people who are seeing the tweets are not adults. they may have been other youngsters, other friends of this individual who didn't believe he might be capable of this because there was no history of this kind of violence. what we see with youngsters, it's all about the drama, drama, hormones a flowing. >> especially at that age when
you're 14 years old in high school. >> possible bullying. who knows what's going on. other kids and sometimes, parents, become desensitized to what should be clear red flags. if anyone says i want to hurt someone or i don't want to live anymore or they're expressing any kind of range, thatge, thatd flag. go with it and get that person some kind of intervention. >> when it's out of character. especially when they talk about harming. >> this was a young person crying out for help. we saw clear suicidaal ideation. >> it's such a tough conversation to have because nobody wants to talk about what could have been done. you don't want to blame anybody, which we're not doing, but what's important here is that we learn from this situation and maybe can move forward with some knowledge of how to prevent it
perhaps in the future. i know there in colorado since columbine, one of the lessons learned was being able to report threats. colorado has implemented a special threat reporting is system. talk about how effective you feel that's been. >> i'm on the board. it's called safe detail and it's a 24/7 anonymous tip line. it's been very effective. the number of reports that have come in and that have warrant something could have happened and what we're doing is empowering kids a system to report, that if they see something posted on fk facebook, a kid holding up a weapon on facebook, that they can report. last year, i probably had seven or eight tips from students concerned about their friends hurting themselves and fortunately, they did report it or i would have had to attend another seven or eight memorial services because these kids had every intent of taking their own
lives. so, what you have to do is put systems into place. that's what jeff is saying. a lot of time, you have these young kids, they don't know what to do. they're stating that's just so and so shooting his mouth off, but we tell our kids you need to air on the side of caution. i think everyone looks at it and say it can't happen at our school. we saw what happened at sandy hook, an elementary school in this community where everything seemed to be perfect. we're all vulnerable and we have to step up as part of society and say enough is enough. l. >> jeff, final thoughts, is there a desensetization? >> yeah and we tend to see a lot of these messages on the internet and pictures of youngsters with guns. i'm not going to talk about the gun issue, but it's a deadly mix with mental health issues. bottom line, ana and frank, the
bottom line is if our children do not get an intervention or if they're depressed, it doesn't just go away by itself. they have to get intervention. it's not just about the resiliency of being young. they are in pain. get them help. >> we'll have to end the conerer sags there. an important discussion. thank you both for joining me. coming up, the latest on a doctor fighting for his life in new york after being diagnosed with ebola. we will take you live to the hospital with an update, next. i found a better deal on prescriptions. we found lower co-pays... ...and a free wellness visit. new plan...same doctor. i'm happy. it's medicare open enrollment. have you compared plans yet? it's easy at medicare.gov. or you can call 1-800-medicare. medicare open enrollment. you'll never know unless you go. i did it.
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now to the latest on ebola. a new video into cnn. a ceremony today in liberia, this is the 101st army airborne division assuming its role as the lead unit there to battle the disease in west africa. they're building hospital treatment centers to have more resources for the folks who are suffering there. but here at home, the good news for health care worker who was quarantined in new jersey who tested negative now in a preliminary test for the virus. we know she was isolated yesterday as new guidelines were issued by new york and new jersey officials ordering a 21-day mandatory quarantine for health care workers in their
states who have returned from ebola hot zones in rewest afric. joining me now to discuss the latest, elizabeth cohen as well as a disease specialist. what's the condition of the doctor, dr. craig spencer, who we know is the doctor being treated for ebola in new york? >> we're told dr. spencer is in stable condition. that he is able to talk. he's talk iing to folks on his cell phone. that he is in relatively good shape. it's really a testament to what can happen if you catch ebola quickly, you can much better chance of treating it successfully. >> we heard his good news like you said, that he is in stable condition. we also learned the good news about nina pham being released from nih. she is ebola free. nurse amber vinson is also showing no signs of the virus in her recent tests, but the fear
is still there perhaps because of this new case in new york. we know new york and new jersey are taking further steps to combat this virus from spreading more in the u.s. what are your thoughts about what they have implemented, this mandatory quarantine, 21 days for any health care worker who's been treating patients in west africa? >> i think it serves to perpetuate wrong beliefs how ebola is transmitted. people cannot transmit ebola until they have systems and it's really later stage of the disease when they become infectious as was the case with thomas eric duncan. when you have a health care worker doing the responsible thing like dr. spencer, reporting himself to the health authorities immediately upon developi developing symptoms, the risk to the public is zero. i think all this does is serve to discourage health care workers from doing the most important thing to control the outbreak, which is to respond
overseas in west africa. >> so, if i'm understanding you correct, you believe that while this may not help the situation in really stopping the virus, it could hurt. >> i think it could and i've already heard of some colleagues thinking about volunteering, colleagues who are in the countries affected right now, who are now scrambling to have coverage at the hospitals they're working because they can't work for another three weeks from the time they're away. >> i want to talk to you quickly about the vaccine development. we might be closer to a vaccine. what are the hurdles at this point? >> before you put a vaccine on the market, you want to make sure that you're really helping people and you're not actually hurting people. and so, there are specific steps you have to go through in order to test it. this is not done quickly. now, certainly, they will fast track this because it's ebola, but you want to do this right.
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shooting outside canada's parliament both aimed at people many uniform, inspired by terrorism and raising new concerns about extremists motivateded by radical islam, either leading their homes to fight under the black flag of isis or carrying out these attacks on their home soil. amy laporte has a closer look at this threat to the west. >> with each bomb that falls in the u.s. air strikes in iraq, the threat of extremists recruits hits closer to home. >> isil clearly poses an immediate threat. we also though that thoughs of fighters have traveled to syria. they can plan, coordinate and carry out attacks against the united states and europe. >> threats followed by action. >> the fighting has just begun. >> in september, this video
surfaces showing an isis militant presiding over the execution of syrians speaking with what sounds like an american accent. ten days later at a factory in oklahoma -- walks into his former place of employment and beheads a co-worker. now facing the death penalty, questions persist about his motivations and whether his act was an act of terrorism. >> he was using arabic terms during the attack. and certainly, that's one of the many reasons why the fbi is involved. >> this week, three teenage girls played hooky from their school in denver, colorado, stole money and made it halfway to syria before they were stopped. their plan, to join isis unravelled by a series of tweets. >> she had been tweeting to her friends and discussing this plan to go to syria and strike a blow
for justice as they saw it. >> after opening fire on canada's parliament, authorities reveal the gunman, a recent convert to islam, was trying to get a passport and had connections to jihadists in canada. >> i think the passport figured prominently in his motives. the next day in new york, a man attacks a group of police officers with a hatchet. authorities call it an agent of terror carried out by a radicalized muslim convert. >> he has an extensive social media presence, visiting websites focused on december thated terrorist groups, al-qaeda, isis, al shabaab. >> each new case raising more questions about how much the involvement in a war on terror overseas is creating a new terror threat at home.
>> our thanks to amy for that. now, let's bring in our panel to discuss this. michael daley and bob bayer. guys, i think there are two threats here. first, we have the isis want to bes or lone wolves who carry out these attacks in the name of radical islam, then those trained ones with passports, who could return and carry out an attack. that is you know, is the fact that isis is out there and we're battling them as a country, u.s. and leading other coalition members putting now a target on the backs of americans and our allies? >> i think the target's there anyway. the air strikes might have kind of pushed more to the floor. i think isis attitude has been all right, we'll straighten out thi things here, then go after the
great satan. this is a war. and in their view, we're the enemy. >> i suppose then our reaction shouldn't change because of that. >> that would be a victory for them. i mean, i think when ever you're fighting terrorists, you have to not let them terrify you. >> i want you guys to both listen to what matthew olson, the former director of the national counterterrorism center said this week. >> i would say the most likely type of attack is one of these home grown violent extremists, lone offenders in the united states. >> bob, would you agree that the risk of a lone wolf attack is greater today with the rise of isis? >> i think unquestionably. you look at oklahoma beheading. the two attacks in canada and attacks on new york city policemen and i think these people are probably
self-recruited and they're almost impossible to locate with social media simply because of what's on the internet. the fbi can't go out and arrest everybody who's making a threat, so running these people down, deciding who's dangerous is nearly impossible and we also really don't know what isis plans and intentions are to run people into this country and they can do it. because they can beat the national security agency. they know better than to get on cell phones. i can't tell you there's an attack on its way, but if one comes, we shouldn't be surprised. >> michael, is this the new mo for these lone wolf terrorists, so to speak, the fact they're not hijacking planes or bombing subway, but they're hitting one little thing at a time, chipping away? >> i think calling them lone wolves is a disservice to wolves. they're really lone losers. they're looking for some kind of purpose in their lives, all of a sudden, hey, i can be a martyr, i'll be with isis.
they see these dramatic images online, big talk and go do it. it's different than the hijackers who took down the towers downtown. that was a planned, coordinated effort. this is a guy sitting in an apartment in queens, picks up a hatchet and thinks he's going to go do jihad by hacking some poor cop in the had with a hatchet. >> i spent some time covering the attack who shot the soldier, went into the parliament building and what we kept hearing from people on the ground is that we can't let this one incident rattle us to the point where we allow the bad guy to win and shakes our way of democracy and freedom and the ideals that make canada and our western countries the way they are, what we love about them. but what is interesting about these individual attacks, it maybes you think about what's happening in other parts of the world with the continued suicide bombings we see in background, for example.
>> exactly. the thing is the explosives, the formula for them, are on the internet. you can make this stuff in the united states. and as far as canada goes, let's not forget that 9/11 in a sense started there with the plot where a guy came across the border at port angeles with thousands of pounds of explosives and almost got through. canada is a vulnerable point for us and i don't think the canadians are paying attention to it. the fact this gunman got parliament within feet of the prime minister and they had to hide them in the closet tells you canadians are not prepared for these acts of terrorism, which is on the way. >> we heard the prime minister say, now we know, we're not immune. we know lone wolf attacks have been happening for years from oklahoma to ft. hood, but why didn't the attackers face
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a hatchet wielding man in new york city and then the canadian shooter, are these so-called lone wolf terrorists the biggest threat to homeland security? let's bring back our panel. bob, we'll start with you this tile. lone wolf attacks have been happening for years. ft. hard, the navy yard shooter. the jewish community center shooting, to name a few, but none of those were labeled terror acts. why is that? >> it's a political decision. the attack in oklahoma, the beheading was not labeled a terrorist act right away even though the fbi knew early on that this man, the murderer had been trying to convert his fellow employees. that's why he was fired, that's why he came back and beheaded
that woman. there's a reluctance in washington to acknowledge reality that we have a terrorist problem and it's internal. we've got elections coming up. 2016. it's really hard for washington to do. even though the people in the field clearly look at it as terrorism. >> so, bob says it's politics. in terms of maybe semantics, not calling this a terror attack, but i mean, what does the administration have to benefit by not calling it a terrorist attack? it would seem to me you would raise the level of awareness and vigilance. >> if you go to hasan, the ft. hood shooter, he had been in contact with a senior al qaeda guy in yemen and the government afterwards declared it workplace violence. it's like, you know, the audacity of note, saying this isn't terrorism. this is workplace violence. i think that did a great disservice to the soldiers who were murdered and those two very brave police officers who stood up to that guy. >> it's a little bit about
messaging is what i'm hearing you say. bob, when we talk about messa messaging, it seems the root of the problem seems to be isis' very effective online propaganda machine. is there an argument to be made that the u.s. may be perhaps too focused on the battle on the ground in the middle east rather than the battle over the internet or battle of messaging? >> well, i think what happened is that we indeed defeated al qaeda if pakistan and largely in yemen. it's a threat that's reseeding and we have this new threat from isis and they're much more capable. they have internet encryption, which is impossible to break. they're using mobile wi-fi, you look at these films of the beheading and the quality is very good. the sound. it's a new generation of terrorism. which may not be as dangerous as al-qaeda, but the threat has shifted and it's making much more difficult for the central intelligence agency and fbi to
nail it down. especially the strength of weak links of these self-recruited people. sometimes, no communications between them. it's pretty much a nightmare. >> what is the u.s. doing, michael, in terms of you know, your exploration and when it comes to battling isis online. . >> i don't know how you battle them online. i think they just throw it out there and i don't know what to do about i. you can't shut down the internet. they just keep throwing stuff out there. i know twitter tries to go and close accounts and they just open another account under another name. the guy with the hatchet spent hours and hours online reading comments, looking at this guy. in the internet, you reach one spot, isis twitter, you can see who the followers are, then next
thing you know, you're off into a hold group of bad guys. >> i talked to the mother of a woman who is sitting in prison an her mother and i were talking about show she ended up there. she has pleaded guilty to conspiracy to try to help isis and her family said she was simply led astray by someone she met onlip. one of the things the mom brought up, she went seeking information about islam and find all kinds of stuff about isis. what about the response by mainstream muslims? why aren't we seeing a prominent message against leaders, or we just missing the message? >> the problem is, it means they're sunnis, you can take it where you want -- saudi arabia, somebody in london, there's no real central authority like the
ra irani iranian. people choose to follow them. did you -- by most muslims, but there has not really been a -- sense in which they have crushed isis in syria and iraq. that's what's going to happen is the muslims there, take up arms and fight this internally. we are not going to do it alone. these attacks aren't occurring in sweden and we are in reality, the force against isis and that's why they're going to come after us. >> thank you both for joining me and offering your expertise. coming up, a nurse forced into quarantine after returning from west africa is now speaking out. hear what she says just ahead. plus, what makes africa wild? anthony bourdain finds out.
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yeah. introducing lots of new. the new volkswagen jetta tdi clean diesel. isn't it time for german engineering? authorities late yesterday confirmed that human remains found last weekend do mong to missing university of student hannah graham they found them last saturday on an abandoned property. joining us now is criminal defense attorney joey jackson. legal analyst for hln. joey, thanks so much. let's talk about the suspect in this case. we know jesse matthew has been charged but only with abduction with intent to defeel in the case of hannah graham but now that we've remains do you think we'll see more charges filed? >> whenever in a criminal case
you find the body to think and imagine her family you send your precious pride and joy off to the university of virginia, a wonderful institution and the issue then becomes how do you get justice if there is justice because she's dead. however, with the finding of the body you have what's called dna evidence. we know a lot about it. right? people watch "csi" and that's significant because what it does it provides a link i would suspect although they are skeletal remains authorities searched the body and choate c and anything in the surrounding area that could be valuable which could link a suspect and if it's jesse matthews would certainly be compelling and damning evidence whatever the dna. and trails evidence. hairs, fibers. blood, all of that. and it's a significant development and i would suspect based upon that those charges abduction with intent to defile will be upgraded and elevated to murder. >> it is important to note that
he has not been charged with murder in this case. >> that's right. >> but you mentioned dna evidence. we know it has been dna evidence according to investigators that has linked the suspect jesse matthew to other missing persons cases. other sexual assault cases. going back as far as 2005. now, does this new development make matthew more or less likely to cooperate with investigators? >> you know, whenever a case is put together ana you never want to rely upon cooperation. if it happens if the suspect cooperates, it's a bonus because now it gives the authorities, you know, more of an indication and it hones them in is it you or is it not. but most people won't confess. we don't know it's him, hose a suspect at this point. what they try to do is piece it together in the absence of his cooperation and now we know based on a 2005 incident in fairfax the rape unfortunately he's been indicted and he's been charged in that particular case and what i would suspect would happen if the event he's charged
with murder here they'll have the trials separately but they'll certainly try to admit evidence from one case into another case. why? it's very prejudicial and it hurts him and it goes to motive and intent and it goes to a common plan and scheme and that's how investigators and prosecutors will try to get their person they believe it to be him. >> good information. joey jackson, thanks so much for joining me. two teenage girls fighting for their lives after being gunned down in their high school cafeteria yesterday. we're live outside the hospital in washington state with an update on their condition next. ♪
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