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camerota, we have news for you this morning. ebola ain't going away as a virus or as an issue. what is the right thing to do with people who come in contact with ebola patients? that's the big question. this morning, a nurse is headed home to maine after being released from a controversial quarantine at a new jersey hospital. her name is casey hickox, she was allowed out of her plastic bag, but chris christie says if you show symptoms of ebola, you'll be quarantined. this 5-year-old kid from the bronx is in a new york city hospital, he had a fever, they tested him for ebola, he had just come from west africa. but he's still in the hospital. why antsd for how long? his parents want to now. >> the cdc is outlining new guidelines, outlining four risk levels and urging people who may
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have been exposed to ebola to avoid going out in public. as a new poll reports that most americans approve of the government's handling of the ebola crisis. more from poppy harlow. >> here at bellevue hospital that 33-year-old dr., craig spencer is still being treated for ebola. last word is that he is in serious, but stable condition. a 5-year-old boy who returned from guinea on saturday night and tested late yesterday negative for ebola is though still being monitored. the doctors want to do subsequent tests on him just to be sure. this all happening as the cdc came out with more intense guidelines on the risk levels for ebola. ed cdc has come out with new guidelines it says will help protect americans from the spread of ebola.
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coming as nurse casey hickox who tested negative from ebola is released from her controversial quarantine. a mandate that helped new jersey health officials to isolate her in this tent for three days after treating patients with the group of doctors without borders. >> quarantine of a healthy aid worker who presents no symptoms does not present a danger to society. >> the cdc outlines four main risk levels, high risk for those with direct exposure to infected fluids of an ebola patient. some risk for those living with or within three feet of a patient without wearing protective gear. the third is a low but nonzero risk, meaning anyone traveling from a country with widespread ebola. the fourth category is identified as a person with no identified risk. someone who traveled to west africa more than 21 days ago. the cdc believes the changes will better determine when
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individuals should be routed to care. health officials are holding a 5-year-old boy for additional testing after an initial test for ebola came back negative. he's being monitored at manhattan's bellevue hospital in new york city, where new york city doctor craig spencer who contracted the virus in new guinea, is being treated. >> we did the cautious thing, bringing the child in under the full protocol. >> icu patients at bellevue have been transferred. there were not enough nurses on staff to handle both icu patients and treat ebola. >> some interesting poll numbers just out last night in a cnn/orc poll. 54% of americans surveyed said they think the federal government has done a good job treating ebola patients and preventing the spread of the disease. seven in ten americans saying that they believe the government can prevent an ebola epidemic in this country. as for the 5-year-old boy, he did test negative for ebola so
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why is he still here? well we didn't get any timeline from the health department on when he will be released. they say they need further negative tests, including the secondary cdc test results before they can clear him and release him. no idea when that will be. chris. >> it's right to point out the numbers, poppy, thank you for doing that let's get perspective on it right now and bring in drr amesh adalja and we'll michelle kosins kosinski. doctor we'll start with you, the cdc at high risk, some risk. does the parrot kols that they just put out sound a lot like what the states are saying that you've been near someone sw ebola you are high risk and should be quarantined.
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if you have some risk, within three feet of somebody who had it without the proper equipment, you should be checked out. marin you get quarantined, it sounds like the states. >> i think it's a little different from the states, because they takes the context of a person's exposure into account. not some blanket mandatory quarantine order on a whole group of people irrespective of their risk. the government has a burden to prove that the people are at risk. when do you this, it provides some evidence for what you're doing. and it doesn't completely restrict people the way that these mandatory quarantines do. so it is a big improvement. >> help me understand where you're coming from. i don't get it. one, it's not really a liberty issue. if you want to talk about the law, the law is clear, if you do a simple google search, the supreme court has been clear about this forever. the legalities of it aren't really taking you anywhere. it comes to how we're treating people and i get that. i get what the emphasis should be. however, if you have been around someone who is like exploding with ebola and all the horrible
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things that we hear about, do you think those people should be quarantined as a class, doctor? >> no. i don't, because they don't pose any risk even if they're incubating the virus, they can't give it to other people. >> they're called high risk by the cdc. >> here high risk for developing ebola. but they haven't developed it at this time. so that's why we have all of these procedures in place where they have direct active monitoring. they're being tracked, told not go to go on public transportation. there's a list of things they can and can't do that's based on their actual risk classification. it's not a blanket type of blunt instrument that's not warranted. these aren't toy fid maries walking around, they can't spread the virus unless they have symptoms. >> let's play with the poll numbers a little bit. you have 54% saying the government is doing a good job. that's not a great number. it's being hailed as good news for the government. we like 50% now, that's a home run, that's an a in government? >> you look at the that number and think that's not very much
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more than half. and the other half of the people think that the federal government is doing a poor job. you have to compare it to the president's overall approval rating. which according to this poll is 45%. so what's interesting about it, if you think it is, it's substantially more people think that the federal government is doing a good job at handling the ebola cries i than think that the president is doing a good job overall. you get some more big numbers of people approving kind of the broader strokes, the bigger picture. 70%, more than 70% of the people in fact, think that the government can stop the ebola epidemic. more than 70% think that the u.s. should indeed be trying to stop it not only in the u.s., but in africa. but then when you get down to a community level, you see the numbers drop again. only 53% of people think that their community health services are prepared to treat an ebola patient. >> and you know, look, what do
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the numbers really mean when it comes to how people feel about ebola? they don't think it can become an epidemic. not that the government will stop it from that. they say, 80% of them say there will be more cases. so you know, the reality is definitely hitting home. and doc, that brings me back to you. you know, i think that we get confused about this, we're not respecting this person who goes to west africa to do this good work. and you are totally right about that. they are heroes, that should be the headline. but do you want them masked in fear by people? do you want people to be doubting them? is a quarantine for 21 days at home really that big a burden to put on someone, to give that comfort so that they're not a pariah when they go out in the rest their lives? >> this is similar to what we saw in the beginnings of the hiv epidemic when people were having this misperception of threat and causing restrictions to be
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placed on people. think about ryan white. he didn't pose any risk, but he was banned from school. it's the same type of thing. you have to base these actions on a person's risk of transmitting. if there's no risk, then you're not doing anybody any good by cowing to this panic. this is a deadly and scary disease, but it's not spreading the way people think it can. >> i understand where you're coming about this point and we definitely have to give these people the dignity they deserve. everyone is going to agree on that dr. adalja thank you very much as always. michelle ckosinski thanks for e setting me straight on the numbers. new details about the moments leading up to friday's washington high school shooting. the county schaeffer says jaylen freiberg sent text messages to luring his victims to sit at his table in the cafeteria.
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it's not clear if he's holding the same pistol assess in the rampage. right now, hawaii, lava flowing from a volcano is threatening dozens of homes. residents have started evacuating homes and we're told looting is now becoming a problem. lava is inching closer, now less than a football field away from some of the homes there. martin savidge is live with the latest. what a concern, martin. >> yeah, it is the middle of the night here in hawaii. see the white roof there? you can't see it through the camera lens. just above it a faint orange glow, lava glow, within 70 yards of the first home in this community. let me show you something else. that's the road block. that's the way the lava is headed. it is literally on the doorstep of this town. >> lava on main street. on the big island, a
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2,000-degree river of molten rock is just a few hundred feet away from the town and there's no way to stop it. residents are on a moment's notice to evacuate as the super-heated stone threatens the town of 950. >> everybody, including myself is quite nervous. you can't see the future. the flow does what the flow does. >> hawaii's famous kilauea volcano has continuously erupted since 1983. usually the spectacular lava flows pour south, reaching the sea. but in june, a new flow started heading the opposite way to the northeast. the dark mask consuming everything in its path and the experts say lava has picked up speed as it heads directly for pahoa. the hawaii's governor asking for potential disaster declaration and for federal aid. >> the key is communication with the community. keeping people informed and everybody continuing to work around the clock. >> officials going door to door,
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warning residents as the flow inches dangerously close. some roads have been forced to close as the lava overtakes them. with many residents fearing they'll be cut off. hawaii county is rebuilding alternate gravel roads around expected path of the lava. people downwind of the lava have been advised to stay indoors. >> the only hope the town has is that the lava stops or suddenly turns away. otherwise, the same force of nature that created the hawaiian islands could very well destroy their town. michaela? >> good thing to remember, the same force that created those beautiful islands that we love so much. martin savidge, thank you so much for that report. a recall parents and caregivers need to know about, the fda recalling several brands of baby wipes because they main contain bacteria resistant to common antibiotics, nutex
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disposals said it received reports of rashes and fever. a full list of stores is available on the fda website. a scary landing for a passenger jet in portugal. strong winds wreaking havoc as the plane from germany came in to land at madeira airport last week. can you see it swaying in strong winds just feet from the ground. the pilot did manage to safely land. that plane. the winds were the last remnants apparently of hurricane gonzalo. sometimes you'll hear people breaking into applause after a shaking landing. you'd want to jump up for a standing ovation. >> me no like. >> even watching makes me nervous. thanks michaela. isis releasing a new hostage video, but this one is very different than the others weem seen weeshlgs show you what british captive john cantlie does that is to different from
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isis has released a new video showing british hostage, john cantlie. the bizarre clip shows him roaming kobani, much like a tv reporter. cantlie says despite what american media has been reporting, the terror group is in control of the town and gaining more territory. the video also features footage reportedly shot by an isis drone, yes, that's right, an isis drone, and it shows kobani's streets destroyed and deserted. let's bring in cnn's senior international correspondent nick payton walsh near the border and retired air force colonel, cedric layton. colonel, i want to start with you, this was a five-minute video released of the hostage, john cantlie. cnn is choosing only to snow a snippet of it, because we believe that cantlie is under duress and being coerced, let me show you what he says. >> hello, i'm john cantlie and
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today we're in the city of kobani. on the syrian turkish border. that is in fact turkey right behind me. >> colonel layton, they're using him as sort of a roaming journalist role, what do you see when you see this little snippet? >> what i'm looking at here is not only the background that john cantlie has behind him, the turkish border that he referred to, but also, the fact that this video used footage from drones it may have been the type of drone that one can get in a hobby store now a days. they're trying to replicate u.s. capabilities, that include drones, video surveillance from drones and they're trying to show that they can possibly execute game-changing military operations. and that's something that should definitely concern us. >> nick, their goal seems to be to show that kobani is in the
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hands of isis. whereas we've heard from officials that's not true. what is the truth? >> i think it's pretty big stretch, like isis have john cantlie say that they're just mopping up in kobani. if you look at where the clashes happen where the air strikes go in, they're fighting for the east and for the south. they are harassing the kurds in the city center. but the kurds have good control of the west and they say in fact quite a lot more of the city. so the fight is far from decisively going in isis' favor. it is clear that john cantlie is in kobani. can you see the landmarks behind him. he is speaking about a week ago, there's a reference to u.s. air drops off the background. what's being used here is that while isis have taken a hammering both in their own social media communities and literally on ground because of those coalition air strikes, it has set them back. i think this is their way of saying we have our own ways of
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replying in the high-tech social media sphere. they're adept at using twitter, getting a high-definition video out like this. you've got to bear in mind throughout all of this, john cantlie has been held for months now by isis, we have no idea the psychological trauma he's experienced and his state of mind. no matter how relaxed he looks on air. >> we understand you have some breaking news in terms of peshmerga fighters. >> well certainly, kobani is being intensely fought over. when will iraqi kurdish peshmerga fighters, they're based in northern iraq, turkey says they can travel through turkey, there's bane lot of back and forth. this morning we are for the first time hearing from the peshmerga ministry, they will travel today and tomorrow or tomorrow, land or air potentially and join the fight. there will be fighting with heavy weapons to assist the kurds in kobani.
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a long way to relief. but we're hearing a clear signal they're on their way. >> colonel, a lot could still go wrong obviously what is the u.s. doing in the fight to secure kobani and beyond? >> well in addition to the air drops that of course the isis video talked about with john cantlie. the other things that the u.s. is doing is providing weapons to the kurdish fighters. not only are they providing weapons. they're providing some degree of intelligence. and of course the air strikes are done in support of the kurdish forces. that are fighting in and around kobani. so kobani is important for both sides, the u.s. understands that importance and is working toward making it at least very difficult for isis to control it. and they're also of course trying to control expectations at this point. >> we will keep our eye on that all morning. colonel cedric layton, nick payton walsh, thank you so much for the information. we have news about the islamic insurgents known as boko har
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haram, they're intensifying their kidnapping campaign. more girls taken as hopes diminish that the hundreds they had already kidnapped back in april, remember them? they were supposed to be released. but it hasn't happened. why, we'll take you live to nigeria for the latest. and the san francisco giants on the verge of their third world series in five years. it didn't happen. will they still do it? finish off the royals on the road now? preview of game six coming up.
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good to have you back with us on "new day." the nurse who said she was held against her will in a new jersey hospital after returning from west africa, she is set to head home to maine today. kaci hickox was released from quarantine by governor chris christie. who is defending his initial decision, saying he has a responsibility to keep the public safe. meanwhile the cdc issuing new guidelines, urging people who may have been exposed to ebola to stay home. we've learned overnight of a potential ebola patient who is in isolation and being evaluated for ebola at the university of maryland medical center. we'll keep an eye on that for you. we're learning that the terror group, boko haram has been accused of abducting more school-aged children in nigeria, weeks after the government announced a truce with the group that was supposed to free more than 200 school girls. the young women that were taken back in april. however, that deal appears to be falling apart at the seams.
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aisha sassay is live in africa with more. >> well it's just been over a week since the nigeria government made those statements over a cease-fire deal and the deal to get 200 girls taken in back in april released. there have been near daily attacks in northeastern nye jeeria the latest happening in a village where children were the targets. 30 boys and girls taken. boys as young as 13. girls as young as 11. carried off by suspected boko haram militants into the bush. local residents tell us they believe they will be used as foot soldiers. this follows another attack late last week in which 60 women and girl were taken, all of this adding to a sense of growing questioning skepticism about the nigeria government's statements
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that they have a deal with boko haram. the nigeria government maintain that the talks in nearby chad continue and that they are on course. and they continue to express optimism. that they will have these 200-plus girls released in the coming days. back to you. >> nigeria government saying that boko haram has denied any part in these kidnappings. the nun ones, aisha thank you so much for the update. back at home, the trial for the accused colorado movie theater shooter, it has been pushed back again. a judge is now postponed jury selection for james holmes' trial to january. with opening statements possible in june. defense lawyers have asked for more time to review a sanity evaluation. holmes faces the death penalty for allegedly killing 12 people and injuring dozens more inside that colorado movie theater two years ago. a bit of a gaffe by walmart. they're apologizing now over a major goof on its website for some unknown reason -- monday
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the site had a halloween merchandise category called fat girl costumes. since been taken off shelves. the retail giant responded to complaints by tweeting this never should have been on our site. it is unacceptable and we apologize. we worked quickly to remove this. >> wow. >> #fail. >> i blame an intern. >> i was just sitting here. >> thanks, michaela. let's get to meteorologist chad myers, in for indra petersons tracking things for us. >> enjoy your golf game if you're in the new york area down to philadelphia. trenton, into d.c. temperatures almost record-breaking, now there's cold air coming. so enjoy today, tomorrow won't be as warm. we're going to drop almost 40 degrees by the end of the forecast. that's the story, enjoy today. tomorrow morning is good, too. but we go from 71 to 58. in the city, 81 to 62 in d.c.
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the record in d.c. today is 83, we're going to be very, very close. by the weekend, by the time it's time to go put your halloween costumes on, here comes the chilly air and that same chilly air makes pretty pictures in colorado. look at this. steamboat springs sent us this, they'll be opening in 30 days. now there's still rocks on the terrain now, but 30 days until ski season. so enjoy 70s while you can. >> a big drop, i'm not looking forward to. chad, thanks. so this was some big stuff last night. the "bleacher report," the redskins are down to their third-string quarterback, they're on the road against the cowboys, who are as good as they were since the dorsett days. they're supposed to lose, everybody knows it, except andy scholes, he's here with the truth in this morning's "bleacher report." this is why they play the game. because you never know. >> you could throw the records out of the window when these two teams get on the field together.
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redskins/cowboys. one of the most heated rivalries in the nfl. pick up the highlights in the third quarter, redskins up 10-7, keenan robinson sacks tony romo. romo would stay down, reinjured his surgically repaired back on the play. have to go to the locker room for treatment. in the meantime, texas native and former longhorn quarterback colt mccoy making all kinds of great plays, a beautiful pass to jordan reed who makes a nice catch. that would lead to a go-ahead field goal. romo would return to the game, but he hardly looked like himself in overtime. the redskins shock the cowboys, 20-17. in o.t. the world series could end tonight in kansas city. giants lead the series three games to two. looking to win their third world series title in the past five years. it's going to be jake peavy on the hill for san francisco against the hard-throwing jordano ventura of kk. first pitch a little after 8:00
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p.m. eastern. and the wait is over for the nba season, tips off with the san antonio spurs, hosting the dallas mavericks, the spurs a popular pick to repeat this season. the big three of tim duncan, tony parker and manu ginobili are back once again. will father time finally catch up to them? i sit down with the crew from inside the nba yesterday and charles barkley believes the veteran spurs are not going to have enough left in the tank to repeat as champs. >> i'm going to say it's the end of the spurs because they're too old. i've said it years in a row and the thing is really weird, i was right 11 straight years, they won it last year. i'm going to write them off again because of age. >> they get started tonight on tnt with inside the nba, from the times square that's going to get going at 7:00 eastern. we've got the mavs at the spurs, followed by the rockets and the lakers. the west is as tough as ever.
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one through eight, any team could go to the western conference finals. and becky hammond, the first female assistant will be on the bench. for the spurs and the biggest story line of them all, lebron back in cleveland, opening up against your knicks on thursday night. >> i know. it's tough. but it's also -- not just lebron, he's got kevin love and kyrie irving and he brought in shawn marian. that team is built to win and win now. >> good to have you with us. >> i like him here with his socks. >> he's got another pair of strong socks on today. >> rocking the hose. >> you bring it. >> i got something boring tomorrow. >> i'll have to go to the store. the final countdown to mid-term elections are a week away. what issues matter most now to vote sners where do?
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vincent shaheen was talking about incumbent nicky haley when he said this. >> that is the worst kind of politics and we're going to escort her out the door. we're going to escort her out the door. y'all -- think about it, y'all. all right, calm down out there. huh? [ laughter ] >> oh boy. shaheen's camp said he garbled his words, but his critics are calling him sexist. to discuss this, let's bring if our panel, editor in chief of the "daily beast," john avalon and cnn commentator margaret hoover. >> ha was a slip of the tongue. >> clearly. >> he laughed a lot sort of -- in an unsavory fashion afterwards. >> is that what we're calling it? >> he would be better advised to say y'all know i didn't mean that. if you had watched the entire
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clip he garbled something earlier on and 15 seconds later, there was some flummoxing tongue action happening during that speech. >> may have to apologize for that one -- >> you know i didn't mean that, chris. look, i think when you have people coming out immediately saying this is sexist. especially republicans saying, what happens is the republicans haven't had a particularly good run with women, generally and so they love it when a democrat screws up with women because then they can say it's not just us, and you have high-level republicans coming out and saying they're bad on women, too. we were the recipients of the war on women tactic. it's quite easy to replay the scripts, but it's bad, it's a victimization play. and that's not -- >> to margaret's point. ann romney came out when asked about this, here's her quote. you get so sick of saying there's bias out there, but if a republican had said this, it would be blowing up in their
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face like nobody's business, where is emily's list? where is n.o.w.? where are they? >> the problem is, there's an urgency, as margaret just said to play the victim card these days. to reach for a moral equivalence by saying see, they screw up, they do it, too. shaheen obviously was a slip of the tongue, no question about that. he did have a very jerky, good old boy response in the back end. >> we don't know what was being said to him in the crowd, though. he was caught up in the reaction from the crowd. >> of course he was. i know south carolina politics. >> we can imagine what they were saying. and we can imagine it probably wasn't flattering. >> in the context of nicky haley's time in office. so i do think that what's really interesting is the way that there's an attempt to say hey, they do it, too. to seize on what was clearly a gaffe and to try to make it an issue. >> when you think ann romney was the recipient, she was the front
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man in the romney campaign. front women in the romney campaign who came out to combat the war on women. >> let's correct the record, because truth matters, especially in campaign season when there is none. your man boehner koums out and says if putin had innovate evada under president bush's watch, he would have been punched in the nose. >> in 2008, he goes into georgia, he goes in nakedly, right, putin says i'm going in, kills dozens of people. and bush does nothing different than obama did this time and didn't talk as tough as obama has during this time. >> but one president got rid of the taliban in afghanistan. another president got rid of president obama in iraq. >> let's deal with this deal. >> i think you make a very fair point. if you take instance by instance. as we said on camera. >> just say he was dead wrong to
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say that. about but this is about catering to a campaign narrative, the president of the united states right now has not been strong on foreign policy. we can take any number of examples, did you happen to see the "business week" cover this week, that shows the president of the united states in all of this, his head shot, in all of the situations where he has flummoxed an international air fair from syria to syria, to iraq, to isis. >> so talk about those, you're wron on this one, so don't use it. >> let's harkening back to bush and blaming bush for every problem. >> we're late-stage campaign right now. >> truth is -- you're right. a bit hazy and murky. >> we're late-stage campaign right now. people say stupid things because they're tired. but it does go to a deeper narrative. one of the worst things about politics is the huge gap between narrative and fact. so when you see an example and you can call it on that, it's worthwhile. it is deep, pervasive and disconnected. >> we have polls that reflect the voters' feelings about where
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we are in the races. let me show you some of these. cnn/orc. extremely or very enthusiastic about voting. >> as you can see, democrats and republicans enthusiasm has dipped since 2010. here's the problem there. >> you see in the numbers that this is not going to be a wave election. this is going to be a close election. what it means is you're not going to have a sweeping change, you're not going to have so many republicans turn out because enthusiasm is so high that you're going to have massive numbers retained in the house of representatives. what this means is what we're seeing on the ground is this is an anti-incumbent election. people motivated to throw the old guys out. from arkansas to where mark pryor is suffering. >> how is congress handling its job, they ask? respondents, only 13% -- john.
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>> here's what is so infuriating about that pathetic, pathetic number. you're going to have 13% approval, but 95% re-election rate. what's the problem? the rigged system of redistricting, which means the vast majority of folks don't have competitive -- there are 77 congress at races without an opponent there are only 35 competitive districts in the country. that's real sickness in our democracy, one of the reasons you look at the polls and see democrats one up on a generic poles, and say it doesn't matter because of the gerrymandering of the urban districts. >> that's one of the things that should make people angry, the system has been so rigged. >> it doesn't, though. >> it should. that's what we got to fight for. >> you can fight for it, but it doesn't get reflected anywhere. i'm no cynic, but -- i'm not a cynic. but i do believe you have to play the ball as it lies. and right now they're not going to say, we're going to change the system. people don't do that, they won't
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even vote. >> that's why engaged citizens in different states have to change the system theirself. it's happened in california. >> why change what's working for you if you're in power. >> because there are people who aren't cynical and are taking leadership. >> six of them. >> maybe that's all it takes. >> there's a ballot prop in new york on the subject. people should be furious, there's not the kind of competitive general elections, because the politicians are rigging the system in their favor. >> great point to end on. everybody rise up. margaret hoover, great to see you, we'll see ha happens in a week. >> jon avalon for congress? margaret hoover does not endorse. we'll get to the origins of isis. what do we know about how the terror group grew into power? it does seem to have happened overnight. it turns out it wasn't overnight. we'll speak with a filmmaker behind a new documentary that will show you how the group got where it is today and how it
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could have been stopped. and the cdc issues new ebola guidelines. the agency is urging anyone exposed to stay home. even if they do not have symptoms yet. we'll explain what the new guidelines look like.
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welcome back to "new day," in september president obama vowed to degrade and ultimately destroy isis. a terror group most people in the u.s. have never really heard of before this year. so where did they come from? do they just pop up and gain so much power so quickly? new pbs "frontline" documentary "the rise of isis" is asking those questions and taking a look back on whether the administration missed a chance to intervene earlier. and really, it should be chances. take a listen. >> what we've now achieved is an iraq that is self-governing. that is inclusive. and that has enormous potential. >> president obama gives a very rosy picture of where things are. what do you think? >> as somebody who voted for president obama i was deeply
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disappointed. i knew those words were going to haunt him. >> let's bring in the man who was asking the question, martin smith, the producer of the documentary. just for context about isis, you know the situation there very well. the headline, what is the message of this documentary? >> what we did is we rolled back, we went back to the moment in 2011 when u.s. troops were leaving and started to trace how isis took hold. by the time the americans left, al qaeda in iraq which is the precursor, the group that would become isis, was decimated. it had been defeated, tribes had turned against it, joined with u.s. forces under the so-called sunni awakening. they were not much. they were a bunch of guys out in the western deserts of iraq. under the command of this fellow, abu backer al bag
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baghdadi. syria is a wide-open situation, and the difference between al qaeda in iraq and these other groups, is that they had within their ranks experienced military folks from the baath party, saddam's army and they immediately began to gain ground, within a year that group had grown to some 5,000 fighters from just a few guys. >> why? >> because they knew what they were doing, they picked up former officers in syria from the syrian army and brought over iraqis. and together with jihadis willing to do suicide bombings, they started to run extortion rackets, attacked local populations being seized oil fields, seized power stations and charged for utilities. they ran their operation smarter and pushed harder than the other groups. >> why isn't al maliki to blame? he disenfranchised the sunnis, he pushed them out.
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he created the opportunity for this. >> you ask how they grew, they're incubated in syria meanwhile, over in iraq, al maliki is giving ground to his worst sectarian fears, his fears that every time he sees a sunni, he sees a baathist, he sees the ghost of saddam hussein. he sees jihadis, he sees al qaeda and he starts to purge his own government of anybody he suspects of subversion. he jails thousands of young sunnis, the unemployment rate there is very high. >> the opposite of when he promised to do. >> he promised to integrate them into the society. he promised to give them jobs in the new military. he promised to keep paying. >> did we enable? the u.s., we're not supposed to say we. did the u.s. enable al maliki in doing the wrong thing and feeding the growth of isis? >> we didn't use the leverage that we had. this is the complaint of a number of people within the obama administration. >> and we knew we had leverage. we knew we could have had
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leverage. we knew we had opportunities to stop things. >> we have kmebl kmek, we have security relationship with the country so we had leverage. now the response you get from the obama administration is that they didn't trust him. every time he would make promises to do, to run a more inclusi inclusive, to run a more democratic government, that he would renege on those promises. >> what about when he warned them about isis, did that carry over, that lack of trust? >> yeah, it did. he warned them about isis, by january of this year when isis rolls into fallujah and without a battle takes over a city just -- not so many miles from baghdad, he -- he asks for more aid from the united states. and obama, the obama administration had, was running on two, two currents there. they thought, we don't trust this guy, you know he needs to reform his government, he's not doing it we're not so sure we want to give him too much more. they give him a little bit more. they also don't see isis as a
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imminent threat to the united states. so the urgency isn't there. that they felt by the time you get into september and were, we're bombing them. zplits a lot more complex than that and you lay it out well in the documentary. >> a lot of behe had hgs, a lot of attention to that tactic of isis. you're worried about making a p.s.a. for them essentially where they're going to want to show people this documentary because it glorifies their tactics. >> we don't show any actual beheadings. >> but the references are strong. >> well the references are there, but that's the truth. and it's our job to present what is. we're not trying to promote them. i've seen much worse in the footage you know, i've reviewed dozens of their videos and i've seen much worse than we present. >> so you thought about it? it was thought through? >> we talked about this at length at the very highest levels of "frontline" about what
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we needed to show and what we didn't need to show. we took that very seriously. >> it's a deep look at what people should be very concerned about. thank you for bringing it to us. martin's "frontline" documentary "the rise of isis" airs tonight 10:00 p.m. on pbs. you can stream it in full for free online. so no excuses. we're following a lot of news for you this morning. let's get to it. the cdc has come out with new guidelines. >> the guidelines increase the level of protection of the health and safety of americans. >> new jersey state health officials are letting kaci hickox go home. >> i didn't reverse any decision. >> the decisions that politicians are making throughout the country now are not based on scientific evidence, they're completely irrational. >> the obama administration declared that forced isolation is too severe. >> a number of states are now taking additional steps on their own.
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>> we knew that politics was trumping science. good morning, welcome back to "new day," i'm alisyn camerota. alongside chris cuomo. great to be with you. let's begin this hour with the latest developments in the fight against ebola, because there are many to tell you about. a nurse is now back home in maine after being let out of that quarantine at a new jersey hospital. governor chris christie allows kaci hickox to leave, but remains unapologetic about his handling of the case. >> so different hospital, different situation. bellevue is treating a new york doctor with the disease. they're ramping up precautions, that's going to transport icu patients to another hospital to make more room for potentially more cases going forward. and the cdc is issuing new guidelines outlining four risk levels. we'll is speak to a top official from the national institutes of health in a moment. let's begin with poppy harlow live from bellevue hospital with the latest. >> they're still treating that
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33-year-old doctor, krar spencer, who is in serious condition with ebola. we're told he is stable. and also the 5-year-old boy who yesterday tested negative for ebola is still being monitored here. this as the cdc ramps up the guidelines, trying to protect all americans. the cdc has come out with new guidelines, it says will help protect america from the spread of ebola. the changes coming as nurse kaci hickox, who tested negative for ebola, is released from her controversial 21-day quarantine. a mandate that allowed new jersey health officials to isolate her in this tent for three days. after treating patients in west africa with the group, doctors without borders. >> quarantine of a healthy aid work another presents no symptom is not, does not present a danger to the society. >> under the new guidelines, the cdc outlines four main risk levels -- high risk for those with direct exposure to infected fluids of an ebola patient. some risk for those living with or within three feet of a
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patient without wearing protective gear. the third is a low, but nonzero risk, meaning anyone traveling from a country with widespread ebola. the fourth category includes people with no identified risk, but could have had a exposure to a person with ebola before the person was showing symptoms or who traveled to west africa more than 21 days ago. the cdc believes the changes will better determine when individuals should be routed to care. health officials are holding a 5-year-old boy for additional testing, after an initial test for ebola came back negative. he is being monitored at manhattan's bellevue hospital in new york city, where new york doctor, craig spencer, who contracted the virus in guinea is being treated. >> we did the cautious thing and brought the child in under the full protocol. >> meanwhile, icu patients at bellevue have been transferred to nyu langon medical center. according to bellevue, there weren't enough nurses on staff to handle both icu patients and
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treat ebola. and chris, let's talk about some of the poll numbers that came in last night in the most recent cnn/orc poll. 54% of people responded saying they think the federal government has done a good job of treating ebola patients and preventing the spread. seven in ten americans responded saying they think the u.s. government will be able to prevent an epidemic here in the united states. as for the 5-year-old little boy, yes, he tested negative last night for ebola. why are they keeping him here? the health department says it's because they need further negative tests to confirm that he is indeed clear. no idea yet when he'll be released from bellevue. good news, his mother is here with him. because you can imagine what it's like for a little 5-year-old boy to be in isolation. >> that's why we need you to stay on that he's just five years old. it's not like some adult who understands what's going on. we'll make sure we know when the kid actually gets home.
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poppy, thanks for the reporting. let's bring in senior white house correspondent, michelle kosinski. we were going through the poll numbers. you understand them better. a big number for me is, 80% plus of people think there's going to be another case. it just won't be someone that they know or where they live. so that's an interesting insight. but some take-away for government here. >> when you look at the numbers, they do make sense. what's been extraordinary is what we've seen happen. we've seen federal guidelines develop. then change as problems have arisen. but seeming at times to be a step behind the criticism. now we see states come forward and say, well that's not enough for us, we're going to do our own thing. the pentagon saying yeah, not enough for us. we're going to take it a step further. finally now we see the cdc expand its guidelines for returning health care workers. but again, seeming a bit behind. yesterday we saw the white house refuse to criticize what new
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york and new jersey have done with their quarantines. refuse to say whether or not they thought it was a bad idea. they wouldn't say what the pentagon has done, whether they agreed with that or not and they wouldn't answer the question as to whether the president spoke directly with either governors christie or cuomo. they wouldn't answer the question. what they did do was repeatedly state that any procedures need to be based in science. and they said the fact that new jersey released the nurse from quarantine was a result of conversations with the cdc and proof that the government's coordination with states is successful. ailsen? >> michelle kosinski, thanks so much. joining us to talk about this including the new guidelines, dr. anthony fauci. director of the national institute of allergy and national institute of health. let's talk about the new guidelines. i'll put up on the screen four new gluidelines. high risk now means exposure to
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blood or body fluids of someone with ebola. some risk means close contact in householding or health care facilities with a person with ebola while the person was symptomatic. low risk means having been in a country where there's widespread ebola outbreak, but not having any known exposures and no risk, this is interesting, contact with a person with ebola before the person developed symptoms. this seems a little confusing, dr. fauci. will these really be helpful? >> well they will really be helpful. what they're doing is they're matching the degree of a particular risk of exposure of a person, with the kind of monitoring that will be done and the kind of restriction that would be put on that person. so it actually is based on science of what we know how the virus is spread. and in the caution of being safe, it matches the level with
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judgment as to the type of monitoring and the type of restrictions. so instead of putting everybody in the same bucket and being overly restrictive or putting people in a less-restrictive bucket and having a person possibilities get out and do actually transmission if they were symptomatic, it really does a science-based matching of risk with the kind of monitoring and the kind of restriction. and for that reason, i think it's really much, much clearer than what we've seen in the past. >> okay, that's good to hear. because at first blush, it seems a little bit like the terror alert levels of orange or yellow or red. where it's done sort of for the public. to make the public think that things are happening. and make them feel better. but there may not be an actual accomplishment. but you disagree. >> i disagree. because it's based on the science. it's based on what we know and how it's, how it's transmitted. and we know about the kinds of risks that are involved.
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and in this case, it isn't just all or none. it's a good matching based on science. of the level of risk, with the kind of monitoring, and the kind of monitoring with the kind of restriction. and if you look at that chart, and look at someone, be it a health care worker who is someone who has been in the country, but not a health care worker. they fit into one of those categories. and the, the framework in which they're put is really based on scientific evidence as well as experience. >> so sanjay, do you think that that will really help health care work sners. >> i think it could help health care workers have a better idea of how to categorize people. but i was reading through the list pretty closely last night. i think it's still going to rely on people's judgment to determine when someone is truly high-risk versus some risk. so i don't think it will be absolutely clear cut. the same person may be categorized high risk by one health care team and some risk by another. i think that's going to require a little bit of finessing. if i could ask dr. fauci a
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question as well. i was thinking about this last night. the idea that people don't start transmitting the virus until they're sick. it seems like people fundamentally understand that. and also, that once they're symptomatic, they're more likely to transmit the virus. but the scenario people seem to be concerned about is with regard to dr. spencer, he could have been feeling fine. out and about, getting his temperature checked twice a day. but at some point when he was out and about on the subway, could he have started to get very sick, possibly vomited? and put people at risk because of that? that seems to be the question about whether someone should be quarantined or not. how quickly can they develop symptoms and put others at risk. >> if you look at the clinical course sanjay of someone who has ebola and you take a look at the onset of the early type of flu-like syndrome. the fever and you start talking about the diarrhea and the vomiting. and when the viral load gets high, when you have the
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possibility of contact with a person, it isn't waking up in the morning, feeling great, going out and then all of a sudden your viral load goes off the ceiling it doesn't work that way. you have, when you start getting a viral load, that is enough to be able to be transmitted, you're feeling very, very poorly. and when someone wakes up, even they feel a little bit achy, they may ultimately turn out to be infected. unless you have direct contact with the bodily fluid of a sick person and we know that from the transmissions to the health care workers, take a look at the family members of duncan. in the house in dallas with him. they were not infected. the ones who gotten infected in this country were the brave two nurses who were directly taking care of duncan. that's a case study that tells a lot. >> sanjay, does that answer your question? >> it does answer the question. it is worth pointing out, dr. fauci, as you know that mr.
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sawyer, who was a gentleman who got on a plane and flew from liberia to nigeria. he was able to fly on the plane just fine, but once he got to the airport, he collapsed in the airport. so it does seem like symptoms can come on pretty quickly. >> unless you're denying symptoms and unless you're sick and somehow you get through. with the restrictions now, sanjay, that i know you're familiar with. when you're talking about someone coming over from those countries, you have symptom evaluation and temperature when you get on. which was called the exit screening. and then you have the entry screening. so i mean it would be really difficult under those circumstances i believe for sawyer to have done what he did. >> gentlemen, i want to tell you we have breaking news in the middle of your segment. that emory university has announced that amber vinson, the nurse who was infected with ebola is now ebola-free and she is being released. so that's great news, we'll hear from her in a press conference late they are morning so sanjay, that was a fairly successful and
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fairly short run. it feels as though we were just talking you know, within the past ten days of whether or not she would be able to be okay. and now she is. >> you know, look we've been talking about some things that i think have made people somewhat fearful over the last few weeks. but then you hear the stories of nurse nina pham, now nurse amber vinson. eight of the nine patients that have been treated now here in the united states have all been released or ebola-free. and sounds like are doing well. so you know, that's some good news. obviously it's a small group of people relatively speaking. but the track record seems to be very good here in the united states. >> it sure does, we have had real success stories here in the u.s. dr. anthony fauci. dr. sanjay gupta thanks so much for being on with us and we look forward to the press conference with amber vinson. let's take a look at the headlines. in you details are emerging now about how the washington high school shooting unfolded. the county sheriff says jaylen
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fryberg sent text messages to lure his victims to sit at the same lunch table in the cafeteria. we're learning that fryberg sent a picture of himself with a gun to his ex-girlfriend not long before the attack. it's not clear if he's holding the same gun used in the rampage. corporal nathan cirillo was standing guard at the national war memorial in canada's capital when he was shot by michael zehaf-bibeau, secretary of state john kerry will attend his funeral on behalf of the united states today. after the service, a procession will pass through the streets of ottawa with military units paying final respects. prosecutors are set to appeal the verdict and sentence in the oscar pistorius case. they say the judge misinterpreted a complex standard defining intent. that proved to be a central aspect of the case. as a result, prosecutors say pistorius should not have been convicted on the lesser charge
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of culpable homicide. quite an unusual rescue at a home 0 in long island. john batchi is credited with saving a 79-year-old man who drove right into his swimming pool. police say joseph denado hit the gas pedal instead of the brakes, sending his suv through batchi's back yard fence. bocce jumped into the pool, smashed the driver's side window and was able to pull the driver to safety. thank goodness he was there and saw it all happen. >> i wonder how the neighbor liked that? >> italian. >> bocce. >> i'm very pleased that everybody was okay. >> not easy to do, by the way, how do you break the window? >> in fact that's what they talk about when the difficulty. >> safety glass and it's -- >> how did he break the window? >> it was very cool that he took that risk going in there himself. and i can't believe the guy was okay. pools can be repaired. people, not so much. close to a dozen soldiers
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fighting a new fight, this one against ebola. they've been quarantined in italy. after a trip to west africa. we'll have a live report from the pentagon to learn more about what's going on with them. and it may not be a surprise, but probably true. this year's elections probably going to be all about anger and fear. you got ebola. you got isis. you got perceived leadership failures, i guess you'll be voting a lot of people out there year -- right? probably not. why not? john king has more of the orc-cnn poll on "inside politics." [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman,
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tripadvisor makes any destination better. nearly a dozen u.s. army personnel have been quarantined in italy after delivering ebola aid in west africa. military officials say the group is in quote controlled monitoring. after spending a month setting up assistance in liberia. so far there's no indication that anyone on the team has symptoms of ebola. so why are they isolated? cnn's barbara starr is live at the pentagon with more. what's the thinking? >> that number i want to tell you right off the bat is about to grow, 30 additional army personnel in the air right now, having left west africa today headed for italy. they, too, will go into closed monitoring. this was ordered by the chief of the u.s. army. he says out of an abundance of caution. now, the person you saw a minute ago on the video, that is major general darrell williams. he headed up this initial operation for 30 days.
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he and his team were all over liberia in rural areas, in the cities, they moved around a good deal. seeing the situation on this aid. so he may be in a position, he and his team, where there may be some reasonable discussion by the army. they want to protect them. they want to make sure they're okay. no symptoms so far. nobody sick. but they're going to be in this close monitoring. the question now on the table at the pentagon is are you going to do this for all troops that are there? there are 900 right now, it could grow to 4,000, many of them will simply work on construction projects, depart liberia, they will not be in any position where they will come into contact, reasonably with anyone who is sick. so the question now for the pentagon, for the joint chiefs and especially for defense secretary chuck hagel, are you going to have a mandatory quarantine essentially for all troops that go on this mission
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in west africa? that's a decision that will be made in the coming days by hagel himself. chris? >> barbara, thank you so much for the reporting. it's interesting the words that barbara used there. this is monitoring. why has quarantine become a dirty word? let's continue this discussion with retired lieutenant-colonel james reece, a senior global affairs analyst and former delta force commander and joyce razor, director of the national military family association. thank you both for being here. you heard what i just said, what's going on here, lieutenant-colonel when it comes to quarantines? this is the military makes its own decision to do this for its own people out of an abundance of caution, right? >> yes, sir. you know, chris, you know this. i mean the military is a microcome in omicro come microcosm in our society. the commanders have a plethora of staff, infectious disease
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consider doctors, these guys are making good decisions based off the science and what they've been doing in liberia right now. >> so you know colonel on the one hand we have the white house, the government on one side saying, you know, let's not be so fast with the quarantine. science doesn't suggest it and the military on the other side, which is functionally an aspect of the government and they're taking this step and now all this talk about quarantine, joyce, we seem to be missing the big point. are we doing everything we can to keep our men and women safe in harm's way? we're obsessed with quarantine. do you feel we're doing enough on the ground in liberia, specifically to keep our men and women safe? >> well, that's certainly the question military families are asking. how are you keeping my service member safe? they are seeing this mission unfold. they're seeing precautions being added. they're seeing training being changed. they see that this was a quick deployment decision. quick rapid mission, and so that
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we're all, everybody in the country, including their leaders, are learning about ebola and how to best protect people as they go along. but military families are also asking, how are you going to insure that my service member doesn't bring the disease back here to our home. to our children, to our family, to our kids' schools? and so what they want to see is some consistent guidance on what will be safe, but they're also dealing with questions from their communities. what's going do happen in my kids' school when my service member comes back. >> that's something that's being ignored here. there was a quick push-back from the white house, colonel, i'll drest direct it to you, you have to respect these people, they're doing heroic work and that can't be said enough. whether it's our fighting men and women going into harm's way, to help out with ebola treatment or anywhere else we send them in the world. they're certainly doing the lord's work, there's no question
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about that. but if the quarantine is only seen as a stigma. what about the stigma when there is no quarantine? a poll says 78% says quarantine those with symptoms like a fever. but let in others into the u.s. do you think is reactionary and punitive? or common sense? >> i think it's common sense. we go back to the science. and then you've got to take a look at the situation, if we try to make everything black and white. it's not going to work. to me, you've got military commanders like i said, they've got great advisers with them. give me, if i'm the commander, give me the intent and let me make a decision. you know, general williams and the guys from italy. this is another key point that went over. they jumped over their quickly, do a site survey, assess the situation. so those 60 to 70 soldiers that were over there, might have been because they were all over the country like barbara discussed, might have been had a higher chance, they see the guidelines we see this morning of being
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more in contact. those soldiers have returned to italy. not back to the u.s. base where there's a domestic issue. and the italians get a vote in this also, based on the status of forces agreement we have with the italians. >> joyce, don't you think this comes down do how it's done? that poor nurse from maine, you she comes back from africa, she gets put in a plastic bag basically in the hospital. those are very harsh conditions. don't you think this is something that could be done in a way that gives dignity to the person who is going through it, makes sure that they're okay. and cures all of these kinds of fears that surround this situation? >> well i think that's what military families would hope. is that the military is providing a place where the service member can be monitored and quarantined. where there's no danger of passing an illness on to a family member. but where there's still communication and support for both the service member and the family. and they're looking for the consistency.
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because we have people deploying for multiple services, from many installations and so they're looking for what's going to be the standard that's going to be used across the military. >> the willingness is always there for our fighting men and women. it's just about us doing our part to protect them. thank you very much to both of you for weighing in on this issue. i'm sure we'll be talking about it again. as you know, election day is a week away. candidates are pulling out all the stops and airing some ads that well, you just won't believe. john king has all of that "inside politics."
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take a look at your headlines, breaking news in minutes ago to cnn, amber vinson, the second nurse to contract ebola in dallas, is virus free and will be released from emory university hospital in atlanta. the other nurse who got sick, nina pham was released from the national institutes of health last week. kurdish peshmerga foreign fighters will be entered the besieged syrian city of kobani today 0 or tomorrow to help battle isis. the soldiers have been ready but encountered logistical problems. this comes as isis releases a new video depicting british hostage john cantlie. who says the battle for kobani is over, in isis control. despite reports to the contrary from western media. lava from hawaii's kilauea volcano moving closer to homes on the big island.
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officials say the lava flow is within 70 yards of the nearest home in the village of pahoa, many village residents have fled, there are reports of some of the homes being looted. i have to show you this, a beautiful halloween treat from a colorado step-father to his step-son. an army tank. where is it? here it comes. thanks to step-dad andy who made the epic costume. it boasts a cannon, that smokes. jake lives with cerebral palsy and epilepsy. but his step-dad decided it shouldn't stop his son from having fun. the third year that the dad has outfitted his cheelchair as a costume. well done, dad. >> that's awesome. >> creative. >> a beautiful way to show the young man that he's not his limitations. how about speaking of limitations, politics, "inside politics" on "new day" with john
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king. help us make sense of the situation, my friend. >> hats off to the dad, my little spider-man is getting ready for halloween. let's make sense of politics. one week from election day, with me to share reporting and insights, from the "washington post," jacky kucinich and ed o'keefe. a week enter tonight these are the house races across the country this is america today, when it comes to the house, look at the red. that's why you have a house majority. brand new cnn polling, the president's job approval rating at 45%, 53% disapprove. we head into the six-year itch mid-term. but if you remember earlier, he was down around 42, not as bad as it could be. this number is very important, how do people plan to vote. going do vote democrat or republican? right now, democrats have a one-point edge. a statistical tie. 47-46, nationally not as bleak as some democrats had hoped. that's a national number and this is the country.
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not only do you have so many house districts already republican but some of the big battleground states in red america. one last poll number to look at before we begin the discussion, you're in bad mood as you prepare to vote. 68% of the american people say they're angry. a lot of the anger directed at washington and the dysfunction. 60% say they're scared, talk of isis and ebola putting the electorate in a sour mood. that begs the question -- president's numbers aren't as bad as some people thought they might be, but they're also not so great. >> i think that's what's hurting democrats particularly in the red states where the senate campaign and the senate races matter. that's why they're not talking about obama. that's why they're running away from him. we're seeing it reflected in the polls. while a lot of koifrs conservae angry, liberals are meh, not so
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enthusiastic. >> the intense gap. republicans enjoying a gap there. the president's numbers are okay, not great. the generic bailout, which democrats can be happy with nationally. what we're likely to have is modest republican gains in the house and probable republican take the senate, is that the progress sis a week out. >> but barely take it at least if you look at the current forecasting. because both parties pretty displeased with how things are going and displeased with their own parties. single-digit gains for republicans in the house after both parties were crowing about the possibility of taking 25 seats, even jaust few months ago. and in the senate, it will be a slim majority for republicans. and it may have to wait even a few more weeks depending how things go in louisiana and georgia. >> we might not be done a week from today. if you want one race that tells you something about the mood in the country. look at the senate race in kentucky, mitch mcconnell is the republican leader. the president is the issue in a mid-term election. president obama won four counties in kentucky in 2012.
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you would think if he's the issue, mitch mcconnell would be winning in a walk. but this is close, mcconnell trying to go back to the future. a closing campaign ad, mcconnell not known as the funniest guy in washington, this is cute. >> a lot of people try to tell me how to do my commercials. >> owe see you between two trucks. >> that sounds dangerous. >> we'll end with you and bloodhounds. >> that's not going to work. >> maybe it's enough to say mitch fights for kentucky. >> you know maybe this isn't such a bad idea, i'm mitch mcconnell and i approved this message. >> that's a little fun there. if you got gray hair like me, you might remember when mitch mcconnell was first elected to kngs, he used the bloodhounds, too. the tone was a little different. >> my job was to find dee huddleson and get him back to work. he was missing big votes. maybe we ought to let him make speeches and switch to mitch for senator. >> i'm one who believes democrat or republican, a little bit of
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humor sometimes helps, especially after a bloody, bruising campaign you've had in kentucky. >> this shows that the mcconnell campaign is confident going into election day. i don't think you run a light-hearted ad like this if you're worried. >> we've covered congress, we can count on one hand the number of times we've seen mitch mcconnell smile. so to get him laughing in an ad. it shows confidence, a great way to close, it's all positive, all about him and yes if you are a certain age, you might remember that first ad. >> i'm going to head down to kentucky to get a feel for that one today. speaker john boehner campaigning out for his candidates. and speaker boehner maybe needs to go back to school. not that recent history. first, listen to this -- >> and when you look at the chaos that's going on. does anybody think that vladimir putin would have gone into crimea, have george w. bush been president of the united states? no. even putin is smart enough to know that bush would have punched him in the nose in ten seconds. >> bush would have punched him in the nose. except -- back in the bush
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administration vladimir putin did pretty much the same thing. maybe not as big a scale as ukraine, but he took a bit of territory and george bush did nothing, nothing. george bush's team after the fact saying they should have done sanctions. >> we don't remember the fisticuffs for a reason, it didn't happen. zblees looking for an applause line and he's hoping nobody remembers. i think the most confrontation he got was the closing or opening ceremonies of the olympics when they sat next to each other and had a conversation. but there was no punch thrown. >> little name-calling in south carolina as well. you have a governor's race. nikki haley is the governor, she's ahead. i want you to listen to vincent shaheen, the democrat at a rally. a bit of a slip of the tongue, instead of fixing it, he decides to enjoy it. >> she vetoed our public school teachers' pay raises. the same year she gave her own
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staff 25% pay increases. that is the worst kind of politics and we are going to escort whore out the door. we're going to escort her out the door. [ cheers and applause ] [ laughter ] >> y'all -- >> this is the test of a candidate. he realizes he has slipped his tongue. he fix it is right away and says "her" and when the crowd is loving it, he laughs and smiles. he's losing, but a good candidate says whoa. >> i think he could have handled that better and he just didn't. think there's a little bit of jumping on this for the sake of jumping because we're in the final throes of that campaign. >> and jumping on it because some republicans say if a republican had done this, you would have women's organizations jumping up all over the place, the national organization of women and listen to ann romney. she said when i first heard about it, it mitt me right in the gut. it's so upsetting when you know someone can say that about a woman and not have any kind of
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reaction. it's so unacceptable. nikki is a great girl and has been a great governor. >> there's a conservative's thinking if a republican had done that and used that word in the final week of a campaign -- >> they're sensitive to it because these types of things have been said about her before by members of both parties and they've been rightly called out for saying them. and the fact that this is on video. the fact that he is so clearly doesn't do anything to reverse himself and say, hey, that's not, that's not how my campaign is being run, we're not going to behave that way. he's losing and this might not help. >> he's losing, when you're losing, also your future can depend on this run once, run twice. it makes people think not ready for primetime one week out. ed, jackie. thanks. when you travel the country a lot of people say it doesn't matter, i'll give brief speech. it does matter. if you're thinking of not voting, how about it, you got one week, pay attention. let's vote. >> i like your daily
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affirmation, stewart smiley. that's a great message and i will go and vote, john king, because of you. >> amen, thank you. >> i got one. well the cdc has released new ebola guidelines that are now four categories of risk. but when does the bureaucracy become too much and how many sets of guidelines will it take to calm the public's fears? we'll break it down with a disaster preparedness expert. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on.
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welcome back to "new day." the second nurse to contract ebola at a dallas hospital, she is set to be released from the hospital this afternoon. this, after the cdc unveiled four new risk categories for travelers entering the u.s. from the so-called ebola hot zone in wet africa. they sail it will make us safer with each level triggering its own tailored response. how exactly will medical
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professionals know when to test someone? let's ask dr. irwin redliner, we get new here to chat about it. these new guidelines coming from the cdc. do you think these revisions will help clear up the confusion? some of will say all of this back and forth will further confuse the issue. you've got to feel a little sympathy for people trying to make firm national guideline, because we do learn more information. we try to modulate that and end up with something that works. i think people should be anticipating this is going to be an organic work in progress over time. >> fine-tuning. >> learn more, see more, see the way people behave after they've been diagnosed or they're in potentially in the presymptomatic stage. we have to keep being able to adjust that we have to do it credibly. i happen to like the new guidelines. it's very, it's four distinct categories with specific
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guidance for each category. i think it will help clear up the confusion. the problem is that we have governors and local officials also weighing in, because the cdc -- >> on the state level. >> the cdc has does not have the authority to order a state or city to do anything. they produce guidelines. based on the best scientific knowledge. >> they're not an enforcing body. >> they're not an enforcement body. it happens at the local and state level. >> i want to talk to but the testing. i think that's something that mystifies many of us. why not just test for it immediately. if you're at all suspicious, why not test instead of -- quarantining and going to all of these other kind of extreme measures? >> it would be ideal to be able to just test somebody who had been in a risk situation. the problem is, there's not enough virus in the blood before you get symptoms to show up. so even our most sensitive tests, the pcr test for example, will not yield a positive result even if you're carrying the virus at very low level.
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>> the body masks it? or is it just that it's such low level? >> it's such a low level. they can't magnify or amplify the virus particles enough to be able to show up in a blood test. this is i mean if we had that, it would be ideal. >> that's why we see people being repeated, having their testing repeated for several days. >> exactly. another thing i want to talk about, and speaking of testing for several days. we saw this 5-year-old present at bellevue hospital in new york. he was tested, negative, they tested a couple other times subsequently. is there a particular challenge when dealing with kiddos? with the little ones, a 5-year-old is not going to react or be treated the same way, i imagine as say a man of your age. >> right, you know what they say is a child is not just a little adult when it comes to treating. there are very specific things we would have to be worried about. so a small child with ebola who has severe diarrhea and vomiting, let's say, would be
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much more susceptible to developing dehydration much more rapidly. and dehydration, the loss of fluids, is one of the things that is related to serious fatality rates in anybody. so the ability to very actively and aggressively treat dehydration, because children ae more fragile, is there. secondly, we have no idea what the doses are for some of the medications that we might use for children. they're barely tested in adults, it's even worse in children. there's never been a study of children and these anti-viral medications. >> all of this, all of this just points me to fact that we still don't know very much about it. is that a fair assessment? to say we don't know much about this ebola virus. >> ebola has been around since the mid 1970s. we kept seeing these recurrent episodes of outbreak of ebola in various villages and communities in africa. but they all have been easy to control. we've compiled a lot of experience in africa in those settings. we've had virtually zero
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experience with ebola or those types of illnesses here in the united states or other western countries. so we're kind of, this is a, a work in progress here. which we're still trying to figure out. >> again, why some people get sick, why others, why some recover, some others don't. dr. redleiner, always a pleasure to sit down with you. we appreciate it. alisyn? >> thanks so much. alleged members of isis speaking out about the torture that they've inflicted and endured. cnn spoke to them one-on-one inside a prison in northern syria stick around for this interview that will leave you shocked. shopping online is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list, now it is. start shopping online from a list of top-rated providers. visit today. just take a closer look. it works how you want to work.
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withal come back to "new day." welcome back to "new day." alleged members of isis now behind bars and speaking out. three are actually trembling with fear as they do so with cameras rolling inside a northern syria prison. cnn senior international correspondent ivan watson brings us this dramatic interview. take a look. >> reporter: prisoners are brought in blindfolded and we quickly begin to wonder whether they're being forced to speak to us. during our visit here, the guards, who asked not to be shown do not us allow us to see the cells where the prisoners are being held. this man trembles with fear as a prison guard removes his blindfold. i introduce myself as an american journalist and he begins to relax a little. [ speaking in foreign language ] he tells me he's a syrian named
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suleiman. he confesses to be part of a isis cell that planted and detonated a remote control car bomb outside a kurdish base and received around $3,600 for completing the job. what is the idea that isis is fighting for? >> translator: they said they were fighting for islam and justice. they were lying to us. they took advantage of our minds and our poverty. >> reporter: one of the prisoners the guards bring out is barely a man. your name is kadim. how old are you? "i'm 19 years old" he says. but karim tells me he fought alongside isis across syria for more than a year. where were you injured? he has the battle scars to prove it. the final prisoner is jabber, a former school teacher and father of two who also confesses to a car bombing. what would have happened to me if, when you were with isis, if
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you guys had found me, an american journalist? "with isis" he tells me, "your fate would be death, and there are different kinds of death. they would torture you for sure, they might decapitate you or cut off your hands. they will not simply shoot a bullet in your head." it's impossible for cnn to confirm whether anything the prisoners tell us was true, or whether these men were coached by their captors. the kurdish prison guards say if set free every likely one of these men would go back and rejoin isis. ivan watson in kurdish-controlled northern syria. >> what a window into that. ivan watson's reporting all along has brought, has made this entire battle so much more understandable for those of us at home. >> he is like the personal affirmation of go there. he goes to the hardest situations and truth, we're both new to cnn, they have a lot of
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people like here, ivan's always been a standout because of what he understands about the situations and what he's willing to do, to let you understand what's being talked about around you ands' a dangerous job but he's got incredible passion and commitment. >> just to see the battle scars of one of those guys and that they would go back to the battle if they were freed they'd go back to isis. >> therein is the real battle. this scar is ugly. what is scarred inside is far more ugly. how do you fix it? anyway, quick programming note for you. to mark the upcoming 35th anniversary of the iran hostage crisis, cnn brings you a special report tonight on the 52 americans who were beaten, tortured, and humiliated after being captured at the u.s. embassy in tehran in 1979. please, join us for "witnessed: the iran hostage crisis." tonight at 9:00 eastern and pacific. we also want to talk to you about a dallas nurse, she has completed the fight of her life. that's amber vinson, and she's set to leave the hospital today.
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now, there are four risk levels being laid out by the cdc for people who have had any kind of exposure to ebola victims, and what does that mean in terms of dealing with our concern? we'll have dr. sanjay gupta break it down for us live. >> with the chaos over ebola you may think people are not thrilled with the government's response. our new poll might surprise you. we'll show you all of that straight ahead. >> i like to be surprised. ♪ there it is... this is where i met your grandpa. right under this tree. ♪ (man) some things are worth holding onto. they're hugging the tree. (man) that's why we got a subaru. or was it that tree?
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-- captions by vitac -- taking charge. the government looks to quell national debate on how to treat people in contact with ebola patients as the nurse controversially quarantined in new jersey gets to return home. will the new policy be enough? and shocking new details about friday's high school shooting in washington state. we'll tell you how police say the gunman lured his victims to the cafeteria before opening fire. tough love? charles barkley sparking controversy after saying uneducated blacks in america are brain washed into putting street cred ahead of success.
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your "new day" continues right now. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> welcome, it is "new day," tuesday, 8:00 in the east. chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. breaking news on the ebola front. the dallas nurse who became infected with ebola treating thomas eric duncan will be released this afternoon from university hospital emory in atlanta. doctors say she is free of the deadly disease. >> very good news. meanwhile another nurse is back home today. kaci hickox is back in maine after being released from quarantine in the new jersey hospital we showed you yesterday. she was released by governor chris christie though he is sticking to his guns for his controversial quarantine position, this as the cdc issues more new guidelines outlining four different risk levels.
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full coverage this morning beginning with dr. sanjay gupta. tell us about the risk levels and what's changed. >> this is getting more nuanced shall it's not a one-sides-fits-all approach. they're categorizing people based on risk and how much intensive contact they had with someone who has ebola. high risk for example all the way down to no risk and based on what your risk category is, it's more intensive in terms of your monitoring, if. you're high risk you also may have some public activities restricted, some travel restricted. i should point out no matter which category you fall into, there's no mandatory quarantines as part of the cdc guidelines, that's a point of distinction from what we've been hearing from some of the states. >> and so sanjay, we're putting up some graphics about just how to interpret all of these different risks. high risk means that you've had direct contact with the body fluids of someone who is
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infected, and low risk, it's interesting. it doesn't mean you haven't been around somebody with ebola. it means you haven't been around them when exercithey're exhibit symptoms. it's important to clarify. >> that's right. i think it's a fundamental point, alisyn. you're not transmitting the virus until you get sick. you're considered low risk and that's an important message to everyone else who worried about this in the u.s. in in terms of their own risk. >> sanjay, thanks so much for explaining that. we'll talk more about it in the program. great to see you. >> you bet. there's no doubt the initial response to ebola was bungled but americans still have confidence that the feds can prevent a large scale epidemic in the u.s., at least if you believe our new cnn/orc poll. white house correspondent michelle kosinski joins us with the latest.
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>> reporter: they do have some confidence in some areas. you see 54% of americans think the federal government is doing a good job against ebola, that is just over half and the other half think the government is doing a poor job. compare that to president obama's approval rating and this poll it's 45%, so you see substantially more people feel like the federal government is doing a good job against ebola than think president obama is doing a good job overall. you also see some big numbers in there, too. you mentioned one of them, more than 70% of people think that the federal government can stop an ebola epidemic, and more than 70% think that yes, the u.s. should be trying to stop the spread not only here in the u.s. but also in africa, which the government is doing. so you see strong support there along the broad strokes of the government's goals. when you see the numbers drop again, though, is when you look at the execution on a specific more community-based scale, and you see 53% of people think that
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their own community health care services are prepared to deal with another ebola patient. chris? >> michelle, thank you for taking us through it. let's bring in norman segl, civil rights attorney representing kaci hickox, the nurse released from quarantine in new jersey. it's good to have you with us, counsel. she's become somewhat of a human flash point for what we do with quarantines. governor chris christie, a man not to back down from situations got you in his crosshairs. listen to what he said about you on the "today" show this morning. >> was she sent back to maine because she no longer had a fever or symptoms or was she sent out to maine because she hired a talented lawyer like norm segal. >> that's been the policy all along. if she never presented with any symptoms our policy would have
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been to send her back to maine and to ask her to quarantine at home in maine. >> let's deal with the levity first, first, it's probably an honor to be insulted by someone at the level of governor christie. do you represent matt lauer as a talented lawyer. do you have any relationship to him? >> no, i do not. >> let's get to the heart of the matter. your client, what we should care about most, how is she doing? is she okay? >> her spirits are relatively good. she is an incredible american. she's very bright, has an incredible smile. she has people skills. she has an important voice in this debate. >> but is she sick? >> no. >> fever's gone? >> she never had the people. one of the things people should recognize is that when they use this forehead scanner it's not reliable. every time they gave her an oral thermometer from friday through sunday night when i was there it's normal. so the policy that the governor
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of new jersey adopted was based in my opinion on fear, not on medical fact, and we have to focus on medical fact, not myth. >> is it his fault though when you look at what the basis was, the screening which is set up from the feds how to test for the fever, if that's not accurate we should deal with that. that's still the basis people act on, right? that's the best judge we have as to whether or not there's a fever is the forehead scan. >> we shouldn't be using that scan. second historically in america, smallpox, tuberculosis, hiv/aids, the fear generateded is very often faced on myth but it's the government and leadership, politicians who should be looking at the medical community to direct the policy. what happened last friday, in my opinion, was some politicians decided to, for their own agenda, do something that when we grew up in brooklyn, we
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called it kcocamamie, didn't mae any sense. hopefully they'll step back, rethink it and look to the medical community for the leadership that's necessary. >> no secret to you, i'm happy to disclose, my brother is one of the politicians counsel is talking about, governor of new york, andrew cuomo. they've been forced to back off the position. they say it is based, public record, on what they see as a continuing risk to public, as we see with the doctor who came back, being treated right now in new york, that he was self-monitoring and maybe he was out too much during a time when he shouldn't have been. there are legitimate questions raised. those questions go away if the person is kept away from the rest of society. is that ering on the side of caution or no? >> well, no, i think it's easy to say i'm erring on the side of caution. what i want the governors and the president of the united states to do is to be correct and inform the public about what are the things you that they
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should be concerned about and what things they shouldn't be concerned about. in our case with kaci, if it turns out her temperature is normal, there's no reason to be restricted. . if there are symptoms you deal with it differently. i'm not opposed to the fact that the government has the power to use quarantine. they just have to do it correctly, and so far, they bungled it. >> look, there's no question, and you are far superior attorney than i ever was, there's no question about that, i'm no matt lauer but even i know that. >> thank you. >> the rationale is in place. the supreme court has been clear about it. i know you're not saying in is about the legal right. it is whether they have a right to do it the way they're doing it now, correct? >> in part there should be a procedure, you should have a hearing. if someone is voluntarily committed -- it >> why a hearing in a situation like this? >> the government has the burden of proof to justify the infringement on your liberty interests, because you're confining someone even for 21
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days. >> but the medical evidence will show once you're put into the quarantine, they maybe shouldn't have had her in the condition she was in the hospital. i felt for her just looking. if she had been in her own suite and allowed to be at home, when she was shown she wasn't sick then it ends. >> for someone voluntarily committed for mental health in new york you have five days for hearing. i'm not arguing you can't bring the person in if you have reasonable basis for bringing some person in but you got to set up a procedure where the person could have a hearing to dispute the government's allegation that you meet the criteria. they have to look at the criteria and determine whether or not a quarantine is applicable across the board. >> right. counterpoints. one, i don't love the example of mental health. as we know this involuntary commitment thing doesn't work well. the hearings are tough, the burden of proof is on people to prove someone is -- >> there is a process. >> we have so many problems with mental health but point taken. your problem with this argument is the 21-day period
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you don't know where, in those 21 days you may wind up becoming symptomatic. that's why you have to be held that long. if you have a procedure in place for any time short of that period, you may be creating risk. >> well, from what i understand, i'm not a medical expert, hypothetically if it on the 11th day you get the fever, the first ten days that you are interacting with people, you're not putting them in harm's way, and that's what has to be articulated, the federal government and the state seeks to do an incredible public education campaign so we, the people, understand what's real and what's not real. that's not happening today, and my client kaci needs to be heard with regard to what her perspective is and the health community needs to be listened to. the politicians should not be directing this issue. >> so what's the action? you're going to sue? >> we're talking to her at 10:30 this morning. we have the option to go to the court of law, but we also have
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the option to participate in the court of public opinion to try to persuade health people across america that the way they were going last week is the wrong way. maybe to go towards the way the cdc is going but we have to even improve the cdc guidelines because they're not, in my opinion, clear enough. >> we're happy to have the dialogue on "new day" and test the points. counsel, thanks for being with us. >> good luck, thank you. >> to your client ex-e especially and extend the invitation to her as well. we are learning more about the final moments leading up to the deadly washington high school shooting. the county sheriff says jaylen fryberg sent text messages to get his victims to sit at the same lunch table in the cafeteria. we're learning fryberg sent a picture of himself with a gun to his ex-girlfriend shortly before the attack. ahead we'll speak with the superintendent of a marysville school district and the local police chief, that will happen later this hour. a federal judge ruled the man who jumped the fence at the
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white house last week is not competentent to stand trial. dominic adesanya was dragged screaming from the courtroom monday are ranting at the judge. he was caught on camera punching, kicking two secret service dogs who eventually took him down. el' remain in custody for more psychiatric evaluation and treatment until his court appearance in december. police are using a new device to locate accused cop killer eric frein. the ohio department of transportation donated a balloon of sorts with a camera inside, allowing authorities to get pictures similar to the ones they get from a chopper but at a lower cost and it allows for better views. the search for frein remains focused in the eastern pennsylvania woods. he has been on the run now for some 44 days. a security breach involving world leader involving all types of concern. dean farley bumped into british
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prime minister david cameron. farley said he was going for a daily run, didn't know who he literally ran into, in police arrested him. cameron was driven from the scene following that encounter. they are now examining security procedures. there's been a fair amount of controversy and criticism leveled at those procedures if they could allow something even if that was an accident for that to happen. >> does his daily run involve running through traffic like that? it seems suspicious that's his jogging route. >> nothing uknow about that and nothing controversial about the security procedures if they fail. can't let somebody of any kind of caliber get anywhere close to somebody you're protecting, not in this day and age. another dangerous situation you could call it, the campaign battles are heating up with the midterm elections just a week away. what surprising new strategy are democrats deploying to get control of the senate? we'll tell you about it when our panel weighs in. when heartburn comes
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welcome back to "new day." midterm elections just a week away. >> i have heard that. >> democrats looking to retain control of the senate, they seem to think distancing themselves from the president is the best strategy to do that. good idea? bad idea? sad commentary, does it make a difference? ana navarro, cnn political commentator and republican vat gist and mr. van jones, cnn
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political contributor. i'll ask the obvious question to you, van, why are you running away from the president? how can that be a good strategy in what kind of democrats are you? you're democants. >> most of the elections are being held in deep red state territory where romney did very, very well. situation like that there's no reason to bring in the president of the united states. they want to talk about obama. we should be talking about minimum wang and they are. we're talking about obama, talking about student loans. they talk about obama, with he talk about reproductive rights for women. that's appropriate thing to do for the party. >> why not talk about the things? >> because he's not popular in the places. where is he popular he's on the radio and doing things where he is popular. listen, this is politics. this is math. if the president's going to help your numbers you use him. if he's not, you don't use him. that's pure politics. >> let's look at the poll. ana, your team wants this to be a referendum on all things
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obama, but put up the poll there. your congressional vote this year will send a message of, dot dot dot. not sending a message at all, 5 %. this isn't a referendum. now what? >> there is no doubt and i live in a purple state and i can tell you that van is wrong. right now president obama is popular in van's household and maybe in his own house old, but other than that, it's not just deep red states. i live in florida, a purple state, new hampshire, the senator there said in a debate on cnn no, he doesn't need to come here. you have places like iowa, these are purple states, places where there are democrat incumbents that obama is just not welcome in. he is an albatross around their neck. >> why, when the economy is doing better, gas prices have plummeted, his signature policy oba obamacare after the disastrous rollout is doing better. why is he so radioactive? >> part of it is a narrative.
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part of it is because when your own partisans start running away from you, when you have a candidate in kentucky who will stutter on tv, look like deer caught in the headlights and not even be able to say she voted for him, he becomes that much more toxic because people are following the narrative but i think there's also a lot of distress right now and dissatisfaction with his leadership style when it comes to some of these crises like isis, like ebola and what his leadership style is, and people are in a bad mood out there. >> the question is why, though. let me get you in here, van, i want to tee it up with a poll. the way things are going in the country today, very somewhat angry, very somewhat scared. 68% and 60%. the numbers sore scary they won't put them on the screen. here they are. very scary numbers, van. the question to you, who is making it so scary, reality or your friends, the republicans? >> first of all, i think it's both, but let me take a quick step back.
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we're acting like no president in the sixth year of his term has ever struggled in the mid terms. in kt fa, thfact, that is the n. what you're seeing is the norm. the only time you saw a reversal was bill clinton after the republicans overreached on the whole impeachment lewinsky things. it's normal when you have the table set mostly in red states to have this. now, that's the past. the present, look, it is scary out there. you do have ebola. you do have isis, you do have economic recovery that has not had enough jobs baked into it. people are dissatisfied but the republicans made the situation worse by not standing with this president even in the middle of foreign policy crises, even in the middle of a potential global pandemic and when you have an obstruction economy, not an obama economy he hasn't been able to pass a bill. obstruction economy sometimes people take it out on the president but it's divided
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government, both parties are responsible and unfortunately, it's usually holding the president responsible at this point in his career. >> ana, you mentioned leadership and ebola. we want to play for you something that governor chris christie just said this morning in response to people questioning his leadership with putting that nurse into an isolation tent. watch this. >> when they're in direct contact with people actively with the ebola virus, asking them to quarantine at home for 21 days, unless they're symptomatic, i don't think is draconian and i think dr. fauci is responding unfortunately as are many people from the cdc in a really hyperbolic way because they've been wrong before and they're incrementally taking steps towards the policy that we put in effect in new jersey and now six other states put into effect and the joint chiefs of staff put in effect. we're all wrong and they're right, matt? we're trying to be careful here. this is common sense and the americans and the american public believe it is common sense and we're not moving an
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inch. our policy hasn't changed and our policy will not change. >> so ana, are federal officials, is the president more to blame here for the muddled response or is it state officials? you heard what chris christie said. he's not changing an inch for his policy. >> you have a governor christie and a governor cuomo who have one duty and one job, that's to keep their citizens safe, and i think the government agencies, the national agencies were very slow to act and to really develop and implement and share with the states some national guidelines on how to deal with quarantine, on how to deal with ebola. there were no national guide lines. we've been hearing that from the nurses, for example, there were no national protocols on how to put on and take off the hazmats. so yes they've been very slow on that, which means states have had to be taking their own decisions, making their own decisions on how to deal with the issues and i think when they saw one doctor who had maybe
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been out too much, they reacted quite strongly with somebody that hadn't. >> ana, i think that when you look at the policies, they smell a little bit of political opportunism, both on behalf of the governor of new york, my brother, and chris christie, the governor of new jersey, but the question is why was that opportunity available, van? why wasn't the fed more aggressive? is it fair to use ebola as an example of the lack of the white house getting in front of where it needs to be? >> well, first of all, we have to be clear. the cdc in our country does not run every hospital in the united states. first of all, they did have guidance and the guidance has improved as they've gone forward. this is the first time we've had something like this hit our health care system. you have to make adjustments. that's important. can i just say a couple things about these governors? i am very disappointed in both of them. the real response is to lean forward into this and say i'm the governor of new york. i want 100 or 500 or 1,000
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health care workers to volunteer. we'll send the health care workers to stop ebola in west africa. the problem now is that these governors have gone the other direction. they are punishing heroes, punishing american heroes who go over to stop ebola there. the only way we're going to win is beat it there. the governors should be standing with the health care workers, inviting more saying if it you go, i'm going to stand next to you when you come home and make sure that you're well, but we need more leadership to invite more health care workers to go and both governors have gone the wrong way on this. i'm disappointed. >> that sounds good, van, but of course they have public safety to worry about it. >> and that is the way you get to public safety, the way you get to public safety we beat it over there, and right now you have doctors who refuse to go because they're afraid that our leaders, our governors are going to attack them when they get home and that is dangerous for the world. it is dangerous for new york, it is dangerous for new jersey. it is absolutely the wrong way to go, and i'm disappointed. they are making america less
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safe, not more safe with the stunts. >> van that sounds nice and pretty. >> it's not nice and pretty. that's a fact. that's facts. >> there is a public safety aspect here and you know, if they did a good job of self-quarantining we'd be okay with it, all of us. when that didn't happen it raised concerns. i think the health care worker community that's coming back, has got to work in cooperation with the state and national government agencies. >> i agree with that. >> how to self-quarantine and what the standards should be and they have to work together, not against each other. >> we'll leave it there, van jones, ana navarro, thanks for the debate. looks like the fed and state are trying to get on the same page today at least. >> we'll see. you have to do both, fight it over there or you'll have more cases here and you have to take care of the situation as it lies on the ground here you can't just do one. another important story today, more heartache as new detailese merge on the deadly school shooting at a washington
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the five things you need to know for your "new day." nun one, amber vinson, the second dallas nurse who contracted ebola treating thomas eric duncan, she will be released this afternoon from emory university hospital in atlanta. there are new details president moments leading up to the washington high school shooting. jaylen fryberg sent text messages trying to lure his victims to sit at the same lunch table in the cafeteria, where they were ultimately shot. iraqi peshmerga fighters will enter cokobani today or tomorrow are isis shows british hostage john cantley claiming kobani is under terrorist control. >> troubling signs for democrat, a new cnn/orc poll finds seven in ten americans disapprove of the country's direction, more than half disapprove of the president's performance. the wait is finally over. the nba season tipping off tonight with the world champion
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san an tone spurs hosting the dallas mavericks. the spurs will chief their championship rings in a ceremony before the game. we update the five things to know. visit lava flow from hawaii's kilauea volcano is starting to flow. residents have been evacuating and there's reports of looting as the lava inches closer and closer, within clear sights of homes. martin savidge is in hi hugh hi. >> reporter: just above the camera is a slight orange glow. this is 1,500 feet away, as close as we can safely get. the lava is within 70 feet of the nearest home and that is the road block which suggests the way the lava's flowing, right across this road, the main road
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in town. 2 lava on main street, in pohoa on the big island molten rock is a few hundred feet away from the town and there's no way to stop it. residents are on a moment's notice to evacuated as the super heated stone threatens the town of 50. >> everyone including myself is nervous. you can't see the future. the flow does what the flow does. >> reporter: hawaii's famous kilauea volcano has continuously erupted since 1983. usually the spectacular lava flows pour south, eventually reaching the sea. but in june, a new flow started heading the opposite way to the northeast, the dark oozing mass consuming everything in its path. experts say the lava picked up speed as it heads directly for pahoa. hawaii's governor signing a request asking for a presidential disaster declaration and for federal aid. as it gets closer the key is
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communication, that the community, keeping people informed and everybody continue to work around the clock. >> officials going door to door warning residents as the flow inches dangerously close. already some roads have been forced to close as the lava overtakes them, with many residents fearing they'll be cut off, hawaii county is rebuilding alternate gravel roads around the expected path of the lava. people downwind from the smoke have been advised to stay indoors. >> i have asthma myself and the smoke conditions if they increase are going to be hard on some people. >> reporter: a slight bit of good news, the lava flow has slowed, but unless it either stops or changes direction, the same force of nature that created the hawaiian islands could very well destroy this town. back to you. >> incredible, incredible story. we'll watch that. also there are startling, new details about the high school freshman who went on the deadly shooting spree in washington state. we'll ask two officials from marysville how the town is coming along on the heels of
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new details are coming to light about the high school fresh nan who opened fire inside his washington state high school cafeteria, killing two students and critically wounding three others. reportedly all the victims were asked by the shooter that morning to meet in the lunchroom. we're also hearing from family members about the courageous, young teacher who confronted the
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gunman. >> a teacher was really a hero more than i think has been said. she did intervene a lot at the end, towards the end. everybody else run away. she ran to, and really made things happen. she's a hero's hero. >> joining us this morning from marysville, washington, our becky burn, superintendent and rick smith of the police department. this has been a heartbreaking week for your community there. chief, i want to start with you and get any new information you can share with us, including whether or not your department learned anything about how the shooter tried to prearrange a meeting in the lunchroom of the victims. >> at this point i don't have any further information.
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the agency response team is doing the investigation. we are being kept up to speed with everything that you are as it's being released as well. we have the same information that you have at this time. >> superintendent byrd can you tell us how opportunities are coping with this and when school might open again? >> certainly. we're grieving. this is a tragedy that kids shouldn't have to go through, and so we've pulled the high school kids together from marysville-pilchuck, beginning to support them with grief counseling and drop-in centers and school will be open again on monday. >> superintendent berg, it's always heartwrenching when we have to report on any school shooting but this one in particular seems important to talk about, because he doesn't fit the mold. he wasn't a loaner. he with aent an an outcast.
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he was the homecoming prince this year. he was a popular student. how do you make sense of what happened? >> i can't make sense of what happened in any school shootings. there are answers that we may never know about this one and our job right now is to heal and to move forward as a community. >> chief, it seems as though from what we've read that this shooter was suffering from a breakup, a heartbreak of some kind, and in fact, over the past two months, he sent out a series of tweets, sort of suggesting that he was feeling emotional depressed or inage bush somehow. let me read some of those to you and to our viewers. the first one was from august 20th. it says "you're going to piss me off" and then some blanks going to go down and i don't think you'll like it." the next one same day, august 20th. he says "i hate that i can't
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live without you." the next one is almost a month later in september, he asks "did you forget she was my girlfriend?" that same day he says "dude, she tells me everything and now i blanking hate you. you're no longer my bother." chief, this is sort of normal teenage stuff, but somehow this one became violent. what do you do as a police chief in the community to deal with regular teenage stuff and try to prevent something like this from ever happening? >> well i think one, in this particular case we don't have all the facts, so there have been a number of things that have been put out there based on social media, and we understand that that's a part of the world that we live in now. i think for us, really looking back and seeing what we need to do now to move forward is working with the community, working with kids. dr. berg and i have talked. there are several things that we're going to be looking at in the future in terms of working
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together so it's about focusing our energy and our efforts on healing, on moving forward with this, on grieving. we have to grieve and our community is physically tired, emotionally spent, but we are mentally focused and we're getting spiritually recharged. so those are the things how we're trying to move forward as a community. >> dr. berg, what can you ever do? again, my point isagers are impulsive and get their hearts broken. what can you do differently going forward? >> we're looking at the all of that, but i think this is a good reminder that schools take care of the heart and mind, and we do the best we can to educate our kids but we need to be in relationship with them, and we need to understand them, and be able for them to be honest with us, and that part of schooling is vital. >> that's such a great point.
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dr. berg, can you tell us about the teacher, the woman who is being hailed as a hero, megan silberberger and how she knew to do what she did? >> i really don't know all the details about that. i do know that all of our staff and all of our teachers and cafeteria worker answer custodians and paraeducators really did exactly what they needed to do on that day, and they don't go into this work to have to do that. they went into this work to support kids and their learning. we are so proud of our staff, they saved so many lives. >> the training and drilling the schools have unfortunately had to do does end up saving lives at the end of the day. becky berg and chief rick smith, thanks so much for being with us. our hearts are with you. take care of the students out there. >> thanks, we will, alisyn. >> thank you, chris? >> important situation to stay on top of for sure. here's another situation for you. charles barkley, never one to
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good to have you back with us on "new day." former nba star charles barkley stirring up controversy once again. he has harsh words for the african-american community. in response to the bleacher
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report some black seattle seahawks players think their quarterback russell wilson isn't "black enough." leading to some tension developing in the locker room. take a listen. >> so it's a dirty, dark secret in the black community, one of the reasons we're never going to be successful as a whole because of other black people, and for some reason, we are brainwashed to think if you're not a thug or an idiot, you're not black enough. if you go to school, make good grades, speak intelligent and don't break the law, you're not a good black fern. person. >> inflammatory rhetoric or honest to tempt to make a point. michaela angela davis, we have a couple of michaelas, van jones, cnn political contributor. thank you for joining the conversation as well. this is nothing new, michaela. this is nothing new at all but never going to be successful because of other blacks? what do you make of this? >> yes, it's disappointing i
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think. i'm disappointed in him using such a powerful platform to have a simplistic view and to kind of perpetuate these narrow tropes about black people being monolithic when we're a diverse population, everything from charles thomas to renee cox. >> does he have a point about this notion of not being black enough? you and i both have been accused of that on occasion. >> girl, look, i mean i literally get cause of not being literally black enough by a few people. i get far more support -- my journey is littered with black people who have helped me along, who inspire me, who encourage me, who have educated me, so what is disappointing and problematic is that he does not tell a mixed story, that it is very narrow in that it is easier to look the at the failings of black people than to really look at the brutal history and the
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complicated systems that have failed them. >> you wanted more nuance. van, what about you? what did you make of all of this? it's a sort of reaction to a situation that is unrelated. give me your thoughts. >> first of all, black people did not invent jealousy. that's a feature of every community. the idea that black on black jealousy is the reason that we are having the problems we have is ludicrous. it's ridiculous. i am relatively successful guy at this point in my life. >> you're doing all right. >> i'm doing all right, you know. ivy league education, i'm doing pretty good. everywhere i go, african-americans come to me, say hey, we're proud of you, keep going, hang in there. i get so much support and affirmation from the african-american community and you have a couple of haters but you know what? we didn't invent that. part of the problem is if you look at what he said, he said the reason we're not successful is because of black on black jealousy, and that people want to go to jail. i think that is a horrific thing
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for any black person to say. i went to yale. i saw a lot of kids doing drugs at yale. they didn't go to prison. they went to rehab. i saw kids four blocks away, same age group they went to prison because they were poor and black. lot of people could commit crimes but the african community and other poor communities wind up doing time. the problem where people want to go, that is not true and we need them to be very clear, our criminal justice system needs to be improved to be more fair. don't start making something fashionable when it's not. >> i see charles' picture above you and i know the things he and you agree with and i, we want letter for the black community, we want to do better as a black community. is this, i look at charles and think this is just charles being charles. we know he says controversial things. >> but it's a little creepy he said "this is what i tell my
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white friends." is it easier to, you know use black shame to appease the guilt of his white friends? the way that he couched it was problematic and it didn't seem that he was as interested and inspiring young black people than shaming them. that's the truth. this isn't a dirty dark secret. people use their failings as a way to somehow talk about a very complicated system that is outdated. >> some say shaming might motivate you. >> does shaming motivate you? >> it surely does not. >> look at people already oppress oppressed, why would you use the heavy -- lift them up, talk about all those young people in ferguson, showing up for social justice every day in the same sentence. >> go ahead. i did want to put a football question here. go ahead. >> well, what i do want to point out is, if you want to talk about young african americans, 25% of all african-american men over the age of 21 are veterans.
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we never talked about that. my dad got out of the hood by joining the military. we have so many positive things you could say, why say that? >> right. i want to end on this, because what i am concerned about is that an issue in a ball club n a football club, an issue of whether this brother was down enough, was he down enough for the other black players on the team or too close to the guys in the head office, is what set off this chain of events. it's a class power struggle, is it not? >> these are class issues. the kinds of things he says that people say often have been in a certain segment of the community, so i think the class and race issues are often conflated i feel and he's expressing that. you know what van said, it doesn't just happen in the black community. we have a lot of the tea party talking about the elites. >> sure. >> we didn't write the book on shame and guilt and jealousy.
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>> no. but we wanted to talk about it here with two people that i like a whole lot. i love charles barkley, too. van jones, good to have you. thanks for sticking around. get rid of that bug in your throat. michaela, love to be double michaela on the set. good day for me. >> thank you. >> thank you for the conversation, guys. chris? >> can't get enough michaela. >> no is the answer. also can't get enough of "the good stuff." a san diego man takes his motorcycle to work, that's cool. he always uses a helmet cam. that's cool, too, but what he captured is cooler than cool not just ice cold, it is "the good stuff" coming up next. (vo) you are a business pro.
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the weight was against her belt. see? so hootin' rhino has a knife on him, quickly frees the driver just as smoke starts coming from the car. hooten's footage went viral. he's not about the attention. he says that's a surprise. what he says he did just came natural. >> it's crazy. it's crazy and flattering. it's just being human, i suppose. >> we love things like that. >> we do! >> it is the best of humanity and his name rhino, he is "the good stuff." thank you, sir rhino. carol costello, nickname not rhino. >> thank goodness, but that rhino's great. have a great day. thanks so much. "newsroom" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- happening now in "the newsroom," quarantined nurse kaci hickox


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