tv Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield CNN October 28, 2014 9:00am-10:01am PDT
and helping us understand the science behind it. >> let's hope the people out there stay safe. >> absolutely. >> thanks for joining us at this hour. i'm john berman. >> and i'm michaela pereira. "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. when the blindfolds come off, they talk candidly about car bombings and beheadings. isis militants captured, captured by kurdish fighters and face to face with cnn's ivan watson inside a syrian prison. also ahead, what you haven't heard about friday's school shooting, the text the shooter used to lure his victims. his shocking selfie and the message of forgiveness from the cousin he shot in the face.
and a 2,000-degree river of lava has homes in its path and hawaiians on the run. a couple of months ago, it was miles away and suddenly it's just a couple hundred feet. and there is nothing that's going to stop it. hello, everyone. i'm ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." we begin this hour with two new offensives for kobani, a city under siege by isis. we're going to show it to you on the upper left of that creeping red blob that represents big portions of iraq and syria under isis control. as we speak, the peshmerga forces, or the kurdish fighters from northern iraq, are making their way to the kobani front by way of turkey, not, i repeat, not a kurdish ally. much more on that in just a moment. the other big push is from the isis propaganda machine. a new video of british hostage john cantlie, this time in the guise of war, war correspondent,
claiming kobani has already fallen. >> hello. i'm john cantlie. and today we're in the city of kobani on the syrian-turkish border. >> because cantlie is clearly under duress as a prisoner, we don't want to air any more of the scripted comments. but we will show you these aerial shots of a battle-scarred kobani supposedly taken by an isis drone. now i want to get us to cnn's nick paton walsh in southern turkey and joining us from baghdad, cnn's ben wedeman. nick, what do you make of this video of john cantlie? it's difficult knowing he's a prisoner and seeing that he speaks as though he's not. >> reporter: it is troubling to watch, bearing in mind you have no idea what kind of state of mind he must be in. but he seems relaxed, seems to have warmed to his role as the war correspondent of isis in that town, giving their point of view that the $500 million of
coalition air strikes have been wasted because their mujahideen continue the urban warfare. it's clear he's in kobani. and isis has put such efforts into putting this video together, it shows their adept use of social media, it means that isis think kobani is important and it means the coalition air strikes haven't made them give up on it and the fight for it will certainly continue. bear in mind, ash leigh, we're seeing these peshmerga leaving northern iraq now. the iraqi kurdish fighter, friendlier with turkey. so turkey is happy to let them go through their territory to go to the aid of syrian kurdish fighters not friendly with turkey at all. it's symbolic because turkey, iraqi kurds and syrian kurds are working together finally. but there's a lot of firepower going in. they're going in very openly. and isis has had quite a bit of time to prepare.
so it's going to be messy when they potentially reach the crossing border in the early hours potentially dawn tomorrow morning. >> i want to take that conversation to ben who is in iraq. it would seem there's no shortage of fighting for the iraqi peshmerga to deal with the isis forces who are in that country. and yet they are on the move and they're headed to syria. are they going to be able to keep this battle alive on both fronts? >> reporter: certainly we're only talking about 160 men. so it's not a huge force. and of course the peshmerga have thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of fighters at their disposal. and it's really for the kurds, more an important act of solidarity and support for their brethren in kobani rather than an actual concerted opening up of a new front for the peshmerga. when i was in erbil last month,
that was when kobani was really kicking off. and we did have kurdish officials, can you, will you be spending troops? at the time they said, we have our hands full already as it is what with isis at that point was only about an hour's drive to the west of erbil, which is the de facto capital of the kurdish regional government. but clearly the political dynamics have changed. so they're sending this group of men, 160 in the grand scheme of things is more symbolism than real impact in terms of a fighting force. >> so, nick, do you think this hold-up -- you just mentioned it. you reported that these forces are now unified in their battle against isis. but has it been the politics of turkey all along that have kept them and yet the public word is then we have our own battles to fight where we are? >> reporter: it's been a messy
we week. talking about what's going to happen before syrian kurds or even peshmerga knew about it. and for a while, the syrian kurds wanted the heavy weapons that peshmerga would bring but not the manpower. and seemed the peshmerga wanted to supply the weapons rather than fight. but they are going in to fight in turkey. >> we just lost that signal. always incredible when you here the call to prayer at 6:00 in the evening where nick is. i want to thank both nick and also ben wedeman for their terrific reporting on this story. we also have another story that we've been following and that is the washington shooting. we're now learning chilling new details about a school shooting there. we'll tell you what the shooter sent in text messages to the victims before he showed up in the cafeteria with a loaded gun. and a grandfather's emotional reaction to the shooting of two of his family members. [ male announcer ] are you so stuffed up, you feel like you're underwater?
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new revelations about that 14-year-old homecoming prince who opened fire in the cafeteria at a high school in marysville, washington, on friday and left two girls dead. three other students wounded. before jaylen fryberg took his own life, he left that carnage. but now we're learning what he did beforehand. that he texted these victims, invited them all to meet him at the same table at lunch. and shortly before the shootings, fryberg sent a selfie to his ex-girlfriend showing himself holding a gun. fryberg shot his cousin, nate
hatch, in the jaw. now hatch is in the hospital. he is walking with the help of a nurse. but due to his facial injuries, nate is never going to be able to play football again. and despite the killer's actions, such an incredible display of forgiveness from nate hatch. he tweeted out, i love you, i forgive you, jaylen, rest in peace. the amazing love and sympathetic response coming from many people who knew that killer, one of them saying, that wasn't the kid i knew, he stood up to a bully for my little brother. i'm not saying what he did was right but i know that wasn't him. he was a loving kid and was liked by many. another tweet reads, to the guy at walmart who just looked at me shirt and said, i'm sorry you went to school with a psychopath, i will pray for you. nate hatch's grandfather spoke with our anderson cooper last night and talked about how nate is coping now.
>> does he remember what happened? >> he remembers the gun being pointed at him and him just freezing and the other two getting shot. i think things are coming closer to him. the healing is the easy part. the memories of everything and the friendship that he had with his cousin is going to be the toughest part. >> i saw a tweet that he sent out forgiving the shooter for doing this, his cousin -- technically he was his cousin but you said they were more like brothers. >> oh, yes. in fact, the other one, the one that got shot down in seattle, andrew fryberg, all three of them were inseparable. you would see the three of them together. but the two, could have been andrew and jaylen or nate and
jaylen -- it's always the two of them together or three of them together. >> i understand also that nate has told you or told friends about one of the teachers and about some of the heroic things that she did. >> yes, and how she did this right there. everybody else run away. she ran to and really made things happen. when they said that on tv, i didn't believe it. but here's my grandson saying, that was right there in the middle of the action, that she was it. and she, i feel, is a hero's hero. >> the shooter's grandfather and you were first cousins. so that's the relation -- >> we are. >> how are you dealing with this? it's your grandson who was shot and yet also you have this other link to a boy who shot himself and others. >> well, i went over there -- i
think it was sunday morning -- saturday morning. i went and talked to my cousin and his family and talked to him about, we're praying for them because they lost a grandson, too. and nobody knows why this happened because we could point the fingers every which way. but i don't think there's anything we could point the finger at the grandmother and grandfather or the mom and dad. we have to forge ahead. >> i know you're a former school board president and your family is very close, the tribe is obviously all suffering through this together. did you ever believe something like this could happen in your former school district? >> sure, sure, i did. it could happen anywhere. we just have to take care of it. and we have to be more vigilant on the children and watch what happens because sometimes we close our eyes and plug our ears over things that's out there. it takes a village to raise a child. but sometimes nobody wants to be at the village.
everybody wants to play the side role and not do nothing, let somebody else do it. and we in our communities, whether it's in the united states or across the world, we need to do a better job with our children, otherwise we're going to see more and more of this. >> remarkably sad what that community and what that extended family is going through. moving on now to the latest on ebola, u.s. are troops being monitored now in italy after helping out in ebola hot zones. coming up next, you'll hear from an army general who is part of that group and what it's like. you're driving along,
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despite the news and confusion over ebola, it seems the public still has confidence in the federal government's ability to contain the virus. a cnn poll thinks the government can prevent a nationwide epidemic. and more than eight in ten believe at least one new case will pop up soon. but most doubt that it will happen to anyone they know or where they live. military officials say that dozens more u.s. army personnel are about to be quarantined in italy after delivering ebola aid in west africa. they don't like the name
quarantine. so instead they're calling it controlled monitoring. 11 of them are already in it, that controlled monitoring, after spending a whole month setting up assistance in liberia. so far, there's no indication that any of them has the symptoms of ebola. so the question would be, why are they isolated? barbara starr with the answers hopefully. live at the pentagon with more. i get it, abundance of caution. i think i also get the fact that they're troops and you can dictate where they go and how long they stay there. but is this their new normal every time they come back out of the hot zone? >> reporter: that's what we're waiting to see, if it's extended beyond the u.s. army. i have to tell you, we've all talked to u.s. military commanders from overseas in strange areas, in peculiar situations that are very unique. but this time, we just finished an interview with major general darryl williams. you saw him there in the video. he has just returned to italy with his initial team. and we spoke to him from his
isolation area in italy using a military skype system. and the problem here right now is this is all going to grow. williams came back with an initial team of ten. 30 more left liberia today. another 35 expected to take off in the next couple of days. so this move back to their home bases is accelerating. general williams talked about the conditions in which they're being kept. and he specifically talked about what happened when meals are left for them to eat. it was pretty interesting. have a listen to what he had to say. >> whatever we eat is discarded and burned. we're doing fitness. fatigue provided us the ability -- with exercise equipment. the folks are eating well, they're exercising. >> reporter: so just think about what you were looking at right
there. that's a two-star army general in isolation as he himself describes it being held separately from the rest of the world out of this abundance of caution, along with a number of military personnel. general williams told us that they are well aware of the controversy throughout the united states about this, that they know people are concerned. they know military families are concerned and the italians, where their base is, the italians concerned as well. so they hope this move for 21 days at least will add some caution, reassurance to the situation that they're taking it very cautiously. there was etven a light moment when general williams said he had to talk to his mother about the protection measures and reassure her that everything was being done. >> that was very nice of him. i'm not sure if we know the answer to this. but are they being limited in the amount of time that they spend in the hot zone? 30 days in, 21 days out. are they keeping them pretty
tight on schedule? >> reporter: that's a great question. it's not really so much the amount of time. i think it's important to say that general williams and his team, they were there for the initial 30 days. and they went everywhere. you can see the video. general williams was out there. he told us -- he took a lot of precautions. there was constant handwashing, he tried to not get closer than three feet to local personnel. he never came into direct contact with anyone suffering from ebola as far as he knows. and there are a lot of troops that will never see local people on the ground. they will go there on construction jobs, put together these facilities to try and provide medical assistance. they're basically going to work construction logistics, port facilities. they may never see sick people. but the level of concern the military knows is so tough right
now -- >> acute. >> reporter: the level of concern. the army is taking this stance. one of the big questions for defense secretary chuck hagel is whether he goes the next step and orders this mandatory 21-day monitoring quarantine, whatever you want to call it, for the rest of the military force going there. there's about 1,000 troops on the ground right now. >> like i said, it's not totally difficult given the fact that the military monitors the movements of their troops. it's not as though they're coming home to america to jump back into their lives with their families. but it's really brave work. we have to remember, this is very brave work that they're doing. >> reporter: absolutely. these people are -- i want to add, general williams described what he and some of his men saw there and his women who are serving. and he called it, ebola, the silent enemy of the u.s. military. >> barbara, thank you for that. keep us posted on what the decision is to extend that plan.
here's the better news. we've had such crappy news when it comes to ebola. and this lady, the second dallas nurse who became infected with it after treating thomas eric duncan, she is set to be released from atlanta's emory university hospital. and that is coming up any moment, too. we expect to hear from her. she's probably going to make a statement somewhere close to the top of the hour. of course we'll carry it live right here on cnn. amber vinson, admitted october 15th. doctors say she is now free of the deadly disease. and that's just great. people in one part of hawaii have a very big problem, a big slow-moving problem in the way of lava burning, smoldering lava creeping closer and closer to their front yards and their worldly possessions and their families. and there is nothing that can stop that. nineteen years ago, we thought,
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right now, a real ugly lava flow is threatening dozens of homes on the big island of hawaii. people have started evacuating. and believe it or not, looting is becoming a problem as the lava inches closer and closer. now within just a couple hundred feet of some houses, in fact. our martin savidge is in hawaii with a close-up look. >> reporter: it's been an anxious night here in the town
of pahoa. the lava is said to be within 70 yards of the first home here. it's actually coming from that general direction. let me show you something else. right over here, that roadblock, that's the way the lava's headed. and this is the main road of town. lava on main street, in pahoa on the big island, a 2,000-degree river of molten rock is just a few hundred feet away from the town. and there is no way to stop it. residents are on a moment's notice to evacuate as it threatens the town of 950. >> everybody, including myself, is quite nervous. we can't see the future. the flow does what the flow does. >> reporter: hawaii's famous kilauea volcano has continually erupted since 1983. usually the lava flows pour south, eventually reaching the sea. but in june, a new flow started heading the opposite way, to the
northeast. the dark, oozing mass consuming everything in its path. experts say the lava's picked up speed as it heads directly for pahoa. hawaii's governor signing a request asking for a presidential disaster declaration and for federal aid. >> as it gets closer, the key is communication with the community, keeping people informed and everybody continuing to work around the clock. >> reporter: officials going door to door, warning residents as the flow inches dangerously close. already some roads have been forced to close as the lava overtakes them with many residents fearing they'll be cut off, hawaii county is rebuilding alternate gravel roads around the expected path of the lava. people downwind of the smoke have been devised to stay indoors. >> i have asthma. and the smoke conditions are going to be hard on some people. >> reporter: it's been raining off and on here. but the experts say that has absolutely no impact on the relentlessness of the lava. so the only hope this town has is that it either suddenly stops
or turns direction. otherwise, the same force of nature that created the hawaiian islands could very well destroy this town. back to you. >> martin, so incredible. i've been there and i've seen the kilauea lava flows. for a tourist attraction, it's at the top of the list. but it's not something you want to see where you live. chad myers is great at this. he's looking for the science of it and where this lava is going and why. take a peek. >> there's been flowing lava on the big island of hawaii for many years, from kilauea, for more than 30 years. but the lava's always flowed toward the ocean, not toward the down up here to the northeast. even the kilauea flow moved down toward the ocean, created a bigger island because of it out. but as we move the lava to the northeast and not the southeast, we run into more villages, more towns here.
so we take this track right through here, we've taken it down to the northeast rather than the southeast do into this town. t advance has been happening for many months now. we've seen this advance between 10, 15 yards per hour. it's slowed down overnight. the slowdown occurs because there's cracks in the lava tube. the lava tube is the hardened black crust that you see. and all of a sudden inside that crust there is the lava still flowing, flowing downhill. if you take that tube and break it, it's like cutting your garden hose. you're not going to have as much pressure to wash your car. so we've taken some of the pressure off the end of the tube. so therefore taking some of the advanced pressure toward the northeast and pushing it other places. if this continues, that could really help. we could really see this initial part of the tube may eventually harden all the way through and
stop the lava flow in its tracks. that so far isn't the forecast. but the more cracks we get up the hill, the better this could be. ash leigh? >> chad, thank you for that. i want to take you live to canada right now where canadians are paying their respects to the 24-year-old soldier who was gunned down in a terror attack in ottawa last week. that's the prime minister, stephen harper, in the middle of your screen attending the funeral for corporal nathan cirillo. it's in his hometown of hamilton in the province of ontario. the regimental funeral service is only for family and invited guests. it's so beautiful. look at the set-up with his casket draped in the canadian flag in the center. thousands upon thousands of supporters, by the way, lined the street as his body was carried in a procession to the funeral. corporal cirillo was killed while standing guard at canada's national war memorial. it's such a beautiful sight to see the pipes.
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battlefield as prisoners sure don't look or sound like the blood-thirsty zealots bent on total domination, at least not the prisoners that cnn's ivan watson had the opportunity to interview in captivity in syria. >> reporter: we are in a prison run by the kurdish militants here in northern syria. and we're being introduced to prisoners that the kurds tell us were members of isis. the prisoners are brought in blindfolded and we quickly began to wonder whether they're being forced to speak to us. during our visit here, the guards who ask not to be shown do not allow us to see the cells where the prisoners are being held. this man trembles with fear as a prison guard removes his blindfold. i introduce myself as an american journalist and he begins to relax a little bit.
he tells me he's a syrian named suleiman. he confesses to be part of an isis cell that detonated a car bomb outside a kurdish base and says he received around 3,6$3,6 for completing the job. what is that isis is fighting for? >> translator: they said they were fighting for islam and justice. they were lying to us. they took advantage of our minds and our poverty. >> reporter: one of the prisoners the guards bring out is barely a man. your name is kareem. how old are you? >> translator: i'm 19 years old. >> reporter: but kareem tells me he fought alongside isis all across syria for more than a year. where were you injured? and he has the battle scars to prove it. >> translator: they gave us drugs, hallucinogenic pills that
would make you go to battle not caring if you live or die. >> reporter: before he's captured by the kurds, kareem says he saw isis behead many of its prisoners. why does isis cut people's heads off? >> translator: whenever isis goes into an area, the eyes of isis, the people there who don't adhere to their islamic law are apostates. everything has to follow isis's way. even women who don't cover their faces, women would also get their heads chopped off. >> reporter: the final prisoner is jabir, a former schoolteacher and father of two who also confesses to a car bombing. what would have happened to me if, when you were with isis, if you guys had found me, an american journalist? >> translator: with isis, your
fate would be death. there are different kinds of death. they would torture you for sure. they might decapitate you or cut off your hands. they will not simply shoot a bullet in your head. >> reporter: it's impossible for cnn to confirm whether anything the prisoners tell us was true or whether these men were coached by their captors. the kurdish prison guards say if set free, every one of these men would likely go back and rejoin isis. >> unbelievable. ivan watson who's just been doing some of the most stellar work in country joins us live now. ivan, i know we're on a long satellite delay. but i'm going to throw to question to you about how it is you got that access in that prison. can you sort of set the scene for why you were there and how you got there? >> reporter: we crossed the border from iraqi kurdistan to the kurdish-controlled part of northern syria where the kurds
have basically been in charge for about three years. and they've been fighting isis on the ground in a vicious war now for over a year. i think showing us these prisoners is part of the propaganda war that they are fighting with isis. they want to demystify their opponents, spread the word of some of their alleged atrocities and let us see these men looking weak and defenseless in front of us. it was strange to hear from one of these men after the other. i asked all of them, what would happen if you had encountered me when you were with isis, when you were free? and each of them said, you would be killed. you are an american journalist. and the 19-year-old we talked to said, yeah, we would chop your head off. >> i'm not sure if i'm improperly reading into this. but i didn't see a whole lot of contrition or repentance in the
face, at least of that 19-year-old who seem to relish the question about why behead people? he didn't seem sorry. >> reporter: well, first of all, these men are prisoners. they were not speaking freely. so we really have to keep that in mind. they are prisoners and some of them were looking at their guards who were present throughout the interview almost trying to make sure that they were saying the right thing. all of them said that they made mistakes by joining isis, saying they were motivated by money or that their families had been threatened. but the kurdish guards said in particular the 19-year-old, they claim that he was the most deadly, the most dangerous of the three prisoners. that he was, as they put it, the most brainwashed. that's not something i can confirm. but, man, not only did he have those horrific scars on his abdomen, but he'd been shot in the arm as well. he'd been all over the
battlefield. he'd met many foreign fighters from different places. he said he'd seen many beheadings as well. and it makes you wonder if he partook in some of these extreme acts of violence. ashlei ashleigh? >> certainly seem to display what could pass as a smile as he described it for you. ivan, phenomenal reporting. we're so proud of the work you do. be careful, you and your crew, excellent work. ivan watson, live for us on this great story. isis has this pretty interesting pitch to get those fighters to set up. it looks like a movie trailer complete with special effects, et cetera. they're using it a lot to try to hook westerners. and doing pretty well at it, too. but there's something else at work to fight back against them. and it doesn't involve police or surveillance. you might be surprised what works against these guys.
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>> reporter: the propaganda videos have all the high production of american tv, complete with english from a canadian. >> i original come from canada. >> reporter: even the action movie's special effects western audiences know. then there's this one, a movie trailer, coming soon, it ends. while this may verge on near parody, isis and its social media message have been surprisingly attractive and effective. authorities say canadian gunman michael zehaf-bibeau wanted to go to syria and fight for isis. two girls apparently after talking online with isis recruits fly from denver with plans to join isis, they're stopped in germany. this man joins isis in syria and
died there, all westerners and not isolated cases. intelligence experts say 1,000 westerners have joined isis, more than 100 of them, american. >> isis is reaching out to people on social media in real time, interacting with them in real time. >> reporter: the way law enforcement has traditionally dealt with home-grown terror, surveillance, busts, indictments. here in southern california, leaders say in the age of social media, you cannot arrest your way out of this problem. if you want to defeat it, help must come from the community. after the boston marathon bombing, the muslim public affairs council rolled out the safe spaces initiative. the idea is to work on prevention in places like mosques, intervene and if necessary, call the police. >> crazy local from pasadena -- >> reporter: these men who claim to be los angeles gang members shot video of themselves in
syria fighting for the assad regime, not isis. but the root of the problem is the same. the disenfranchise, latching onto a radical idea. now community leaders say the u.s. government appears to be changing its strategy. >> surveillance hasn't worked. profiling hasn't worked. so let's try this. >> reporter: are you encouraged by that change? >> yes, very encouraged. but i just feel like it's not happening fast enough. >> reporter: isis moving at the speed of social media, law enforcement fighting to keep up. kyung lah, cnn, los angeles. >> the mystery in the middle of a football game. a father enjoying the game with his son just suddenly vanishes from a very crowded football stadium. we have more on what the police are saying about this bizarre story next. [ male announcer ] are you so stuffed up, you feel like you're underwater? try zyrtec-d® to powerfully clear your blocked nose and relieve your other allergy symptoms...
a puzzling mystery. a denver broncos fan disappeared during thursday's game and he hasn't been seen since. his son, jarod tonneson, says he went to the bathroom while his father, 53-year-old paul kitterman, waited outside for him. but when jarod came out of the bathroom, his dad wasn't there. supposedly, kitterman didn't have any credit cards or a cell phone with him. so trying to find him has been even more of a challenge.
jean casarez joins me now. so strange, so unexpected. do police think there's something foul afoot here? >> i just got off the phone with police. they say, we don't know what's happened to him. this is an active missing persons investigation. they have nothing to rule out foul play. they're combing the surveillance video from the stadium where the denver broncos stadium, which is one of the largest stadiums in this country. i was told by police there are hundreds of hours of surveillance video. it doesn't look like they've found anything yet. i spoke with tia bakke, who invited both of them to the game, said he wasn't the kind of person that would just walk away. they were all going to meet at gate 8 because they were in different seats when the game was over. and when the game was every over and they got to the gate,
everybody was there but him. >> they have checked every nook and cranny of the stadium? >> they did. they stayed there till 1:00 in the morning checking all that. >> what next? if he doesn't have a cell phone or any credit cards, what's next? >> i asked the police, have you executed any search warrants on his phone or anything? they said, no. but this is a working missing persons investigation. if we did that, we wouldn't probably release it publicly. >> it's just so unbelievable. when you said they looked at the videos -- if you have a stadium, you have surveillance and you've got that video, it had to have shown something. it had to have shown him even waiting there -- >> if they caught that small area on video, one would think they would. but the next step is they want to see what happened. the family tells me the police told them originally, we just think he walked away. it's not a crime to walk away. that's not what the police are telling me. >> it's just so strange. so incredibly weird. i hope there's some resolution to this.
that family must be having such a difficult time. jean, thank you. thank you everyone for watching. we have important news coming up with the dallas nurse being released today. we don't want you to miss a moment of it. my colleague, wolf blitzer, starts right now. breaking news, any moment now, we're expecting amber vinson to make an appearance. the nurse is now ebola-free after a harrowing ordeal. you'll hear her first words since getting released from the hospital. the new jersey governor chris christie getting slammed by the left and the right for his handling of the recent ebola scare in his state. but in true fashion, governor christie is not budging. > . as for that nurse, kaci hickox, she's back in maine insisting she's fine. why are residents in maine there, at least some of them, pretty upset at her return? hello. i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington. 5:00 p.m.lo