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happening now in the newsroom, an unmanned rocket headed to the space station explodes seconds after liftoff. the fireball seen for miles. so what went wrong? plus, growing evidence that isis is using chemical weapons on the battlefield. we'll take stock of the brutal effects of chlorine gas as iraqi peshmerga fighters gather on the boarder to join the fight against isis. and quarantine battle. maine now saying they will pursue legal action against nurse kaci hickox if she violate hearse quarantine. are politics and not science driving these quarantine orders? let's talk, live in the cnn newsroom. good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we begin this morning with $200
million gone in a ball of fire. take a look at this. >> engines at 108%. power nominate pal. . >> that is an unmanned rocket exploding six seconds after liftoff in virginia. that rocket was supposed to go to the international space station with thousands of pounds of supplies. now an investigation is under way to figure out why this happened. cnn's tom foreman joins with us more. good morning, tom. >> reporter: there's a lot of buzz about these refurbished russian rockets driving this. one of them failed during the test back in may so whether or not that has anything to do with this explosion, the space community is looking at them very closely today. >> we have liftoff. >> the first stage was seconds into a four-minute burn when the antares rocket stalled, fell
backward and exploded. ne nearly 250,000 pounds of thrust went high ware and people say the blast shook across the bay. >> immediately from about five seconds in you just saw kind of a fireball. it wasn't -- you could tell immediately something was wrong. >> reporter: it also clearly shook virginia-based orbital sciences, the private contractor that built the rocket under a nearly $2 billion contract with nasa now needs answers. >> the investigation will include evaluating the debris that we will find around the launch pad. if you find anything that washes ashore in the local area or came down in a -- on your farm, definitely do not touch it. >> reporter: no one was hurt, but gone in a flash, 1,600 pounds of science experiments on everything from meteors to human blood flow.
more than 1,600 pounds of hardware, computers, space walk equipment. and 1,400 pounds of food for the iss crew. that does not create an instant emergency, but it will put extra pressure on upcoming missions to reestablish the supply chain to those astronauts in orbit. and the explosion could create political pressure, too, in the continuing debate over how much space travel or should be put into the hands of private companies. i'm getting word, carol, a lot of people at orbital sciences having a very tough day today because they know that this is a big, big setback to this whole idea of privatized space travel, and particularly for their company. they have to find an answer to this and they have to find it in short order even though nasa is saying they have complete faith in orbital right now, this is definitely a hurdle for this company to clear, carol. >> who absorbs the cost of this accident, tom? is it orbital or nasa? >> well, i think it's going to be absorbed by both of them.
orbital is watching its stock get into trouble so it absorbs it in an indirect way immediately. there's some talk about that last night, it was not clear to me where that shakes out and who pays for what. the bottom line is the cost probably is not the bigger question, it's the long-term costs that people will worry about. this is a $1.8 billion contract that orbital has to deliver eight different deliveries to the iss. they've done three of them so far. the question is, does that get interrupted along the way and what does this do for future contracts? any time something goes wrong in space flight, carol, you know it's incredibly expensive and in this day in time it reignites the public debate on how that money is being spent. >> tom foreman, many thanks, i appreciate it. kaci hickox, the american nurse forced to undergo a mandatory quarantine in new jersey over the weekend after treating ebola patients abroad is pushing back again. earlier today, hickox told nbc's matt lauer she is refusing to follow orders to remain in
quarantine for 21 days in her home state of maine. >> i don't plan on sticking to the gie the guidelines. i remain appall bid these policies that have been force upon me. even though i am in perfectly good health, am feeling strong and have been this entire time completely system free. if f the restrictions placed on me by the state of maine are not lifted by thursday morning, i will go to court to fight for my freedom. >> since her return, hickox has showed no symptoms and has tested negative for the virus two times. let's bring in dr. amish and joey jackson. welcome to both of you. >> good morning, carol. >> good morning. joey, maine has not filed for a court order just yet but it's likely to do that some time today. do you think it will be successful?
>> i think they could be. it comes down balancing individual liberties versus the rights of society as a whole. now, there's a lot we don't know about this and there's been information and misinformation, but what we do know is 21 days apparently is that incubation period, this t doctor could speak to that issue. so even though she tested negatively, the issue becomes could she become positive at some later time. and if she is what danger that would pose to the public. and so it's up to a judge to determine whether her individual liberties are violated but based on the fact she's asystematic now but could be system mat nick the future a judge could say, you know what? abide by the rules, stay home mandatorily. >> doctor, kaci hickox is obviously trying to prove a point here. is she smart to the that? >> i can't advise her legally but i think she's right that she's not contagious to other people even if she's incubated ebola because the virus isn't spread until you have symptoms so she doesn't pose any risk to
others when she was in new jersey, she doesn't pose risk to others in maine. what somehow should be having done to her the active monitoring where they measure her temperature and keep track of her symptoms. she doesn't need to be around quarantine order because she's not a risk. >> so doctor and joey stand by. on the phone we have stevan hieman, caskaci hickox' lawyer. what do you expect to happen today? >> i guess the next step is up to maine. we had been attempting to work with them to try to find some kind of compromise here but that has not been possible. and i saw from their news conference last night that they intend to try to seek an order. we have received no papers. kaci has received no papers so
at this point she is not under any restriction other than her own voluntary staying in the house today. >> do you know what could happen if maine is successful? >> we're treading in areas that there's not a whole lot of case law and support other than there are two facts -- one is that society has a right to protect itself from legitimate issues of public health. but it can't do it based on what the supreme court calls fear and the doctor you just had on has said it all. he is not contagious, there is no basis. the only reason that there is this cry for quarantine is because the political side has
decided that it would just be better if she stayed home and lost her civil rights so we all could feel more comfortable which is not supported by any medical evidence. there to s no -- >> mr. hyman, i have joey jackson here itching to get in because i think he disagrees with you, frankly. >> i don't know who joey is. >> he's a defense attorney and our cnn legal analyst. >> okay, hello, joey. >> how are you mr. himan. the whole issue behind this, and i get the politics of it. but i wouldn't say it's an irrational fear. there's a firm basis. the whole point to quarantine people is it takes 21 days for it to manifest itself and so therefore -- >> no, no. you quarantine -- even under the -- if you read the maine statute -- >> if there's probable cause to believe based on epidemiology -- >> an agent. >> here's the point.
if we wait for symptoms to manifest themselves, it defeats the whole point of a quarantine. the whole basis -- >> no it doesn't! >> it's the ensure the public health. this is the argument you're going to have in court with the attorney general i'm sure. >> i'm going play judge, mr. hyman respond to that. >> i mean, it's all make believe. what they want to do is quarantine somebody who is asystematic and the fact is even if she became systematic and, god forbid that would happen, but if she did she could go to a hospital and there is no evidence, none, that during that period of time she is a risk to the public. there is there has been no evidence. look at all the facts that happened with duncan who unfortunately died. >> exactly. >> his family is asystematic and remains so. >> well, i want to bring in another example of the politics
versus science, right? because kaci hickox isn't the only one facing this mandatory quarantine. another american, ryan boy co-is being quarantined in connecticut despite testing negative for the virus not once but twice. he wasn't even around anybody with ebola, he just happened to visit west africa, but he remains in isolation in his apartment with an armed guard outside the door. listen to what he told anderson cooper. >> you can't lock somebody up because they might pose some kind of danger later. it's unfortunate in this country right now that the public health law is very vague in a lot of states and it's just not clear what the government can and can't do. >> so mr. hyman, this is sort of what you're talking about, right? >> of course! there is no evidence and the "new england journal of medicine" has a wonderful editorial on this that when you
talk to doctors -- not politicians and not people who are just fearful because they would like kaci to stay home and be secluded from them -- there is no evidence of any medical risk to the society or the community. none. . >> mr. hyman, as a quick avoid, here's the whole point and certainly your client deserves a boat load of respect and all the people who go and assist people in west africa and attempt to make people better, they shouldn't be penalized, but public health officials are at a cross roads. should you wait until someone becomes systematic or should you quarantine them and act properly and appropriately in advance of that so you can protect the public in the event she has signs, there is no argument. >> let me bring in dr. adalja. she is getting tested. it's not like she's not doing
anything. >> of course. she's willing to cooperate with the health officials to check her. >> so dr. adalja, is that enough? >> yes, that is enough. that's why we have active monitoring. she's having her temperature checked, her symptoms logged. if she were to become systematic she would be immediately isolated. this isn't like she's out there like typhoid mary spreading the disease. as soon as she became systematic, appropriate action will be taken. this is unwarranted and not supported by if t science. >> doctor what if she took the test and exhibited symptoms after she came back from having exposure to the general public? is she going to be tested and monitored hourly? is she going to be tested by the minute? what if she doesn't exhibit any symptoms, she goes out and intermingles with the public, doctor, comes back and tests positive. what do we do that she's exposed herself to everyone and then there's a massive public health emergency. you can blame it on politics, you can blame it on overreaction but the issue is people need to be protected and to feel safe
and if they don't it's an issue. >> mr. hiyman, go ahead. >> your statement is hysteria. it has no basis in fact. in fact, if you read the materials on this, you are -- the issue of contagion -- and i believe the doctor will be able to speak to this better than i can -- is that the minute you develop a fever doesn't mean you're contagious. it then becomes an issue according to the doctors. in fact, contagion doesn't occur until much later. facts. duncan's family was not positive and he was with them while he was actually very sick. the same with the nurse. >> let me interject because i always like to step back and take a breath and i want dr. adalja to answer this. because if you look at it, the only people who have come down with ebola in this country are health care workers who were
treating an ebola patient in the hospital. right? so put it into perspective for us, doctor. ebola is a deadly disease, a scary disease, but it's not very contagious. only through blood and bodily fluids. so unless they have a fever, having vomiting or diarrhea, they can't give it to somebody else. i think people are losing that in this debate. this is not a very can the ages you disease and health care workers were taking care of a sick patient who was on a mechanical ventilator, had continuous dialysis, a lot of body fluid exposure. that's different than casual exposures you might be talking about with these asystematic individuals. they don't pose a risk. this isn't typhoid mary and people need to put this into proper context. >> doctor, if i can ask a question, what if somebody goes out and based upon them not feeling well they happen to vomit in a public bathroom or a public place or on a subway or in -- on the bus or public
transportation system. i don't want to feed into hysteria, i just want to get to the core issue of whether the politicians, as mr. hyman is referring to, are taking reasonable steps and measures to protect the public and that's the concern. carol brought up the issue that, yes, medical health professi professionals have come down with the symptoms based upon them being vomited on but that's a probability, that could happen, could it not? >> there is cdc guidance that accords different levels of restrictions on a person's activity. we would ply that to an individual case. is she someone that should not be on public transportation? is she someone that should be in private vehicles? there are different gradations that the cdc recommends. because you can't do a blanket type of quarantine because you're restricting people's liberty and unless they show a material threat to others and this's proven, you shouldn't really bo b doing this kind of -- >> but you're doing it for the good of the public and the public's view has to be balanced
against the individual's right to freedom. and when you're potentially contaminating a number of people who could then contaminate others, it becomes a bigger problem. >> i know what mr. hyman is going to say, kaci hickox is not contagious, she doesn't have ebola, she doesn't tested positive for ebola, she doesn't have a fever. she's saying take my temperature, i'll do it twice a day but i'm not sick, why should you confine me in my home? >> the voice of reason, carol. >> i don't like hysteria, i like facts. mr. hyman, how a is kaci hickox willing to take this? >> ki >> kaci is her own boss in this. she has spoken out and brought this issue front and center. she is prepared to take it as far as it has to go. she's hoping that common sense and reason will prevail and that this does not have to become the
hysteria of you've got to stay in your house. it's absurd that she has to be quarantined in her house that somebody is scared that maybe someday she may become sick. >> here's what's happening, and i'm going to pose this to the doctor. i was reading the maine newspaper this is morning, people are afraid to go to the hospital because health care workers are coming down with ebola. people are afraid to get on airplanes because there's a chance you could catch ebola flying with someone who was infected. so there is a sense of sort of fear out there that's probably unnecessary. >> definitely. the country in a panic and they've forgotten all of the science behind ebola. they are afraid of catching it and you can't get it through casual contact. we're doing harm when you feed into this panic because people aren't going to get it on airplaunless
you're directly sit next to someone who vomits on you. it's not like the cold or influenza or measles or tuberculosis. we have bigger problems in the infectious disease world to worry about than ebola. we have an influenza season about to start and thousands of americans are about to die from that but they're not getting flu shots. there has to be a recalibration of this threat analysis going on by the u.s. public and we have to dampen this panic because it's not serving any good purpose and it's making everybody's job harder because public health has to respond to this when someone sneezes on an airplane and they quarantine the whole airplane. this detracts actual resources of stopping the outbreak at its source in west africa. >> i just got a statement from maine's governor, paula pa le p. he says "we hope the health care worker would voluntarily comply with these protocols but this individual has stated publicly she will not abide by the protocols. we are very concerned about her safety and the health and that of the community. we're exploring all of our
options for protecting the health and well-being of the health care worker. anyone who comes into contact with her, the fort kent community and all of maine. while we certainly respect the rights of one individual, we must be vigilant in protecting 1.3 million mainers as well as anyone who visits our great state. so mr. hyman, any reaction to that statement? >> that's a wonderful statement. i wish them well in protecting. he didn't say that she has to stay in her house. we are happy to cooperate with maine officials that will respect kaci's rights as a citizen and one who did noble or, as the president called it, god's work and is not sick to go about her life in some fashion, to have her checked and monitored to make sure she is not ill and if there is any
indication she gets immediately hospitalized and taken care of she will comply with what the rational and scientific medical ploet ko protocols are. and if the governor wants assurance with that, he has it, he wants her to work with the public health officials i have spoken to, we will. but simply staying she has to stay in her house, that's unacceptable. thank you so much for joining me steven hyman, dr. amesh adalja and joey jackson. >> thank you, good luck, mr. hyman.
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within we may now know why north korean leader kim jong-un vanished for six weeks. he was seen limping back in september and disappeared until earlier this month. a south korean lawmaker tells cnn the north korean lawmaker had a cyst removed from his right ankle and european experts handled the surgery. kim is coming back into the spotlight as a top u.n. official calls for north korea to face the international criminal court on charges of crimes against humanity even while the country is on a sudden charm offensive. cnn's paula hancocks is covering it all for us. >> pyongyang's charm offensive showing no signs of slowing down. the u.s. rap tour for human rights in north korea said he had a surprise meeting with north korean officials this week and they may be willing to invite human rights investigators into the country. he gave his annual report on the
rights situation tuesday saying he welcomes the signs of increased engagement by north korea, but attention must not be diverted from holding those who commit human rights abuses accountable. the u.n. submitted a commission of inquiry in march, accusing pyongyang of murder, torture, slavery, sexual violence, and mass starvation. the report says some abuses, including those committed in prison camps, amount to crimes against humanity. north korea's ambassador the u.n. rejected the reports' findings saying there are no such violations in the country. pyongyang has been sending officials all over the world recently trying to soften its image and mitigate the impact of this report, but he says it should still be referred to the security council and the country referred to the international criminal court. meanwhile, south korea's intelligence agency has said they believe kim jong-un had a cyst removed from his left ankle recently, explaining why he disappeared for five weeks and
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crazy, right? a 2,000 degree liver of lava moving inch by inch closer to hopes on hawaii's big island. the lava flow started from the kilauea volcano and could reach the town of pahoa later today. residents have been evacuating the area while others have been flocking to it to get a view of the lava. some schools have been closed and do not plan to reopen for at least two two weeks. that lava is chest high in some places, as high as this fence
marking the boundaries between two properties on the outskirts of that tiny town. no word on whether the lava has reached homes on those properties. joining me now peter cervelli from the u.s. g.s. science center. i have this picture of pompeii in my mind where the volcano will violently blow and the whole town will be buried under ash. is that possible? >> it's extremely unlikely for this particular volcano. it's much more of a -- what we call an effusive lava emitter, sort of slow lava flows, they can certainly cause problems to property but it's very rare, almost unheard of, for somebody to get killed of by it. >> normally the lava flows into the ocean from this volcano but it changed direction. can you explain that? >> sure, the place where the lava is coming out of the ground is a vent or a cone called puoo.
so for most of this eruption that began in 1983 the flows have gone south, as you point out. and puao'o is at the rest of a ridge so if anything comes out the the south it all goes to the south. but very rarely something pops out to the north and then it can't get back over the ridge so it has to go wherever the downhill direction is and that's where it's going now. >> is there any way to stop it? >> not really, no. there's always a chance that it will stop naturally. flows take different paths and they stop and they start. but in terms of human intervention, you might be able to divert it but then you're just making it somebody else's problem. >> i would imagine -- it's hard to imagine how hot this lava is. >> yeah, it is. i can certainly imagine it because i've been up quite close
to it and had my hairs on my eyebrows burned off. >> oh, my gosh! so as a scientist, as you're looking at this, y r you learning anything? >> well, we are. we're studying the way the lava progresses. you know, it's going in fits and starts. and we're really trying to understand how lava flows work. so we can better forecast how quickly they're going to move and give better dates about when lava might affect human infrastructure. >> that would be very helpful. peter cervelli, thank you so much for being with me. i appreciate it. >> you're welcome. still to come in the newsroom, should nasa get back into the spacecraft building business as a $200 million rocket built by a private company blows up? we'll talk about that next. on my journey across america, i've learned that when you ask someone in texas if they want "big" savings on car insurance,
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investigators from nasa and a private company are searching the virginia coastline for what led to the explosion of an unmanned virginia rocket. >> power nominal. that's just incredible pictures. the rocket exploded in air and then fell to the ground and exploded again. luckily it was unmanned. this rocket made by orbital sciences corporation. it was destroyed six seconds after liftoff. the rocket had just cleared the the launch tower when it's believed safety crew were forced to send a destructive signal after the rocket encountered a
catastrophic failure. the cargo ship supplies equipment and experiments headed to the international space station, all destroyed with this rocket. rachel crane joins me now. let's talk about private companies making these rockets and in charge of sending supplies in one day astronauts to the international space station. >> big responsibility. >> big responsibility. so what happened with orbital. >> well, what people don't realize, actually, is that nasa has worked with the private sector since the genesis of the space agency. actually, boeing is the main contractor on the international space station. so this reliance on the private sector by nasa is nothing new. and we're not going to see that relationship change just as a result of an accident like this. >> but orbital has to be sitting back today and just -- i mean, they have to be devastated. >> of course. >> not just financially, right? >> no, this is certain ly tarnishing their reputation. spacex has flown their missions to the international space station. this was certainly a high-profile accident.
luckily it was unmanned, simply cargo, yes, 5,000 pounds of it but no one was injured. >> well, i think it's interesting that orbital depends on old technology to build its rockets. spacex is the other company that nasa is under contract with and spacex will be responsible for sending astronauts into space. >> along with bowing. >> so why the other bittal using the old technology. why wouldn't it say "wow, this is our chance to show what we can do"? >> it's interesting. there's a space trash talk that happens within the aerospace industry and back in 2012 elon musk referred to the other bittal science system as a joke. now, he tweeted out yesterday his condolences for the company so certainly no one's rooting for anybody to have an explosion. the industry wins when everybody wins but it's a competitive spirit out there to say the leas least. >> what will happen with orbital. >> this is the third of eight missions that nasa has
contracted with them to run back and forth. there are stipulations for accidents like this to occur. there's no reason to believe this that this contract is in jeopardy as a result of this accident and boeing and spacex isn't in jeopardy. >> huge contract. >> major dollars. >> rachel crane, thank you so much. >> less than 12 hours after that failed launch in virginia, a russian cargo ship left kazakhstan headed for the international space station. it will deliver supplies and cargo to the crew already in space. this launch was scheduled before yesterday's explosion and, as you can see, there it goes. it went off without a hitch. still to come in the newsroom, prices at the pump dropping. under $3 a gallon in many states. how low can those prices go. cnn's christine romans is at a gas station in new jersey to tell us. >> 75,000 gas stations a i dl s
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across the country are having $3 or below gas. that's expected to continue. prices are going down, down, down more than 60 cents and it's likely to continue. here's why. oil prices plummet, down 25% from the recent peak in june. why? demand is slowing in china and the united states is producing a whole lot of oil. it's good news for your personal economy. first, gasoline prices. the national average down more than 30 cents in the past month, the lowest level since december, 2010, according to aaa. several states have averages below $3 that means everyday americans are spending more than $100 million less on gas than they did this time last year. expect to see even lower prices across the country in coming weeks. second, heating your home. this winter forecast to be warmer than last year. couple that with the drop in commodities like heating oil and the energy department predicts nearly everyone will be getting
a break on their heating bill, including about half the country that uses natural gas. the big drop in oil prices may save you cash on gas and heat but don't expect to see cheaper flights. airlines know that prices could rebound at any moment, so they'll use cheap prices to lock in cheap fuel for the future and boost their profits. those savings don't get passed on to you. but on balance, oil's plunge is a good thing. consumers save on energy and put that money to work elsewhere and that boosts the economy. citigroup estimates that if crude prices fall to $80 a barrel it would add $660 billion to the global economy every year. carol, these prices have fallen so quickly, i mean, people have another ten bucks in their pocket now compared with earlier this summer when they're filling up. ten bucks every time you fill up if you have a 15-gallon tank. that is real money and it feels like a little bit of a tax cut.
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back positive. who knows if she's told the possible baby daddy, john. >> they've mated quite a few times. >> on his twitter account it says "paws crossed." or could the lion be faking it as a giant panda allegedly did a couple of months ago at a breeding research center in china. this panda was thought to be expecting. it turns out what she was expecting was more food. they call it a pseudopregnancy. the panda behaves in a way it knows from experience will get it better treatment. >> when i do a certain thing, i get more of what i really like and in a panda's case that would be a lot of its favorite type of bamboo. >> reporter: the u.s. fish and wildlife service just propose dead clarg lions to be a threatened species which makes the idea of cubs extra nice. here are imani's before, screen left, and after pictures. so when are we going to know if the baby bump is actually babies or just a bump? >> we won't know for sure until the babies are on the ground, we
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