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pennsylvania. eric frein, one of the fbi's most wanted, was taken into custody thursday by u.s. marshals outside of an abandoned airport. frein was shackled with the very same handcuffs that bronelonged the state trooper he's accused of gunning down and the symbolism does not end there. miguel marquez has mo are why from outside the courthouse. >> reporter: despite the drama associated it ended with a whimper, eric frein arrested out in the open, caught cold, he went to his team and gave up. the manhunt finally over. >> we have stated that early on we would not rest until his capture was made. tonight we have made that major step down the path to justice. >> reporter: after nearly seven weeks on the run, suspected cop killer eric matthew frein now in custody, facing a murder charge. >> it is my intention to file notice to seek the death penalty for eric frein.
>> reporter: the 31-year-old self-taught survivalist was caught hiding in an abandoned airport in the pocono mountains. u.s. marshal special operations team was clearing the air, across the airstrip spotted frein walking across the airstrip and surrounded him. according to law enforcement, frein, caught by surprise, surrendered hands up, identifying himself, he was apprehended unarmed, but had two guns and knifes in a hideout. >> if he got out of those woods, we were very concerned that he would then kill other law enforcement the, and if not them, civilians. >> reporter: the search for the now captured fugitive began 48 days ago on september 12th, when frein ambushes the pennsylvania state police barracks in blooming grove, shooting and killing corporal brian dixon and injuring trooper alex douglas. police investigate numerous peb sightings discovering personal effects in various hideouts, from pipe bombs to cigarettes to supplies,
clues to frein's whereabouts, but under the cover of dense woods, he evades capture. an enormous sense of relief for the community with frein now behind bars, arrested in the very handcuffs that belonged to the officer he gunned down, and driven back to blooming grove in his police cruiser. >> all of us in the state police and governor corbett just thought if we had that opportunity, that would be a very fitting tribute to corporal dixon and message to all law enforcement we would never rest until this fugitive was apprehended. >> reporter: one of the weapons they recovered in the stash inside that hangar after arresting frein was a sniper rifle, and authorities tell us that that sniper rifle is consistent with the casings and the bullets they found at other locations where frein operated, and they say they have a very, very strong case against him. carol? >> all right, miguel marquez, it's going to go into the courthouse but moments ago we got in this video, this is what
they call the perp walk. this is the accused walking into the courthouse in blooming grove, pennsylvania. [ cheers and applause ]. >> yeah! it's over! you wouldn't make it in the military! [ whistling ]. >> all right, you heard bystander there is calling him a coward and poking fun at him and most people would probably think that's very well-deserved. you can hear the crowd. it's interesting, i want to bring in cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and cnn analyst paul callan. police did the pep walkway out in the public for everyone to see. i'm sure they had a reason to are that. >> sure, carol, they wanted to put the public at ease and show them that it really was for real, that he was in custody, and no longer a danger to the
community. >> tom, it's interesting frein spent weeks taunting police while in hiding and police chose to handcuff him with the officer's handcuffs he's accused of killing and put him into the cruiser that belonged to the trooperis' accused of killing. why did they do that? >> i think just for the symbolism of it, and to show, pay homage to the deceased officer dixon, but it also tells me that the marshal special operations tactical team which is an outstanding unit that made the arrest, tells me that they had him surrounded, they had already had him in pocket as we say for a period of time, enabling them to deliver the handcuffs and that squad car to the scene of the arrest. so they had him, they knew they had him, i'm sure they were baitibai waiting for him to be walking around without his gun so they could capture him without incident. >> that indeed they did. paul, what will happen inside the courthouse today? >> well, usually these
arraignments are fairly quick at this point in time. he'll appear in front of a judge. maybe some pro formen a discuss about bail and there will be no bail it's a murder case and put over no another date. i don't think you'll see a lot happening in the courtroom. >> prosecutors saying they'll ask for the death penalty. how would you defend a suspect like this, paul? >> i was looking into pennsylvania's laws and the death penalty, it was reinstated in pennsylvania, 1976, only three people have been put to death by lethal injection in pennsylvania, since '76, although overall pennsylvania has executed, they're the third highest level of executions in the united states. so they have had a lot in the past. when you kill a cop, this is classic death penalty case, and frankly, the only defense here would be i think an insanity defense and i think he'd have a hard time with it, because he did so much planning and
meticulous planning and hiding. it's hard to say that he could be viewed as insane under the law. so i think it's a real uphill battle. what amazes me about the case is that he wasn't killed by the police. you know, you almost always in a case like this, where an officer has been killed and another seriously injured, he taunted the police, i thought for sure that he'd be shot. so remarkable restraint and professionalism by pennsylvania police in this case >> absolutely, and tom a lass question for you, this guy dropped to his knees and gave up, he truly is a coward. >> yeah, he was a coward, he was a wannabe soldier that wasn't a real soldier. you see the video with his top gun sunglasses hanging off his shirt, i mean, he's not a real survivalist. he's not military trained. he read books about it. he was a wannabe and frankly, when the weather got cold and the food ran out, it was time to find shelter and food and we knew it was going to lead to his
capture very soon as winter approached. >> tom fuentes, paul callan, thank you for your insight. i appreciate it as always. we're expected to hear from the district attorney later this hour. we'll bring that to you when he steps up to the microphones. just in to cnn a hearing just wrapped up for jesse matthew, the suspect in the abduction of university student hannah graham. the fairfax virginia courthouse today is for the 2005 sexual assault of another woman. matthew was arraigned, he made no plea. brian todd will have a live report from outside the courthouse in just about 20 minutes. now to the tense stand yourself between kaci hickox and the state of maine that left a community on edge. despite refusal to follow a 21-day ebola quarantine health officials say they still have not reached common ground. this morning maine's governor slamming hix ox's actions and threatening to exercise his full power to make sure she stays
put. >> we're trying to protect her but she's not acting as smart as she probably should. >> all right let's bring in cnn's jean casarez, in ft. kent, maine, this morning, outside of the home where hickox is staying. tell us more, jean. >> reporter: well there's a lot going on today already here at this house. first of all, the police chief of ft. kent, maine, just moments ago came up to the house, went into the home, and so i called him and i asked him, why did you go to the house? and heed with we've got a communication going and i really, i wanted to see how they were today. he really cares. the police chief of ft. kent cares about this couple mind me. now, also a girl just left a bag at the front door, maybe food in it or something, they haven't got continue, nobody knows. maybe the most important thing we heard today and i don't know how to take this, you can take this a lot of ways, but kaci's boyfriend, when asked "what are
you going to do today?" his response? "nothing." a bike ride making headlines around the country. >> i'm not afraid. >> reporter: fareless nurse kaci hickox defying authorities ebola quarantine putting some in a rural maine community on edge. >> it's just fear. >> it scares me. >> i don't want to bring it home. >> until 21 days go by, she's not absolutely positive so that means no one else is. >> reporter: hickox doesn't complete the 21-day isolation until november 10th. it's only been a week since the nurse returned from treating ebola-stricken patients in sierra leone. >> the state police have their marching orders. >> reporter: the governor of maine, paul lepage, says he'll use the fullest extent of the law if she gets too close to the public. >> i don't want her within three feet of anybody. >> reporter: but lepage also wants to keep hickox herself safe, ordering an escort to keep guard 24/7. >> tempers flare and people get scared. the last thing i want is for her to get hurt.
>> reporter: hickox says she's done nothing wrong and her boyfriend says they rode in the opposite direction from the town and she hasn't even stepped foot inside a store. in fact, the pair ate in, pizza was delivered to them. >> we are not trying to put anyone at risk. we're not trying to push any limits here. >> reporter: maine is now one of nine states with quarantine measures beyond cdc guidelines. whether or not stricter quarantine laws are the right move may impact midterm elections only a week away as several of the state's governors are running for re-election. and that includes governor lepage right here in maine. he's in a highly contested re-election effort but noted he intends to exercise the fullest authority he can under the state law, under the public health law as the governor of this state in this case. carol, let's see what happens. >> all right, we certainly will and you'll keep us posted, jean casarez reporting live from ft. kent, maine, this morning.
still to come in "the newsroom," defense secretary chuck hagel blasting u.s. policy on syria. the pentagon chief sends a blunt memo to the white house. michelle kosinski is on the story this morning. >> reporter: this is another unpleasant leak coming from the top tiers of this administration, raising questions about what's regallal going on, on the inside. we'll have the latest coming up. when heartburn comes creeping up on you... fight back with relief so smooth... ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue ...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum, tum tum tum... smoothies! only from tums.
presence could sink u.s. strategy. highly private and very blunt mem row was written to the national security adviser susan rice. michelle kosinski at the white house to tell us more. >> right, he has acknowledged writing this private two-page memo to national security adviser susan rice a letter described by a senior official as very blunt and critical of u.s. strategy in syria overall, stressing the need for more clarity on what to do about the assad regime, questionsing surrounding which have come up before many times. you know, because the u.s. is fighting isis, and isis is fighting the assad regime. so hagel, when asked about this letter says look, syria is complicated. the team is constantly assessing, reassessing and adapting its strategy there, and he said it's part of his job to speak honestly and directly. we know of course that president obama has faced deep differences
of opinion within the administration on syria in the past, look at this letter and the fact that it leaked out this is the second unpleasant leak we've seen at the top tiers of this administration in a week's time. hagel said it's not so much there's this big disagreement. it's just that we're looking at things. we're assessing them. it's raised questions, though, speculation about whether the team is really gelling or things are working on the inside, might there be a staffing change coming up, but by now we've heard from secretary of state kerry, the spokesperson for the pentagon, the white house spokesman who faced questions about this letter and what hagel said. secretary of state kerry, for example, calls it gossip, the speculation surrounding this, and he said that the national security team is working extremely efficiently. carol? >> all right, michelle kosinski reporting live from the white house, thank you. earlier this morning, the white house spokesman josh earnest pushed back against claims that the administration
is at odds with the pentagon when it comes to u.s. policy on syria. >> reporter: it won't be surprising to you that i'm got going to spend a whole lot of time talking about private conversations between the president and his secretary of defense. the president's been very clear with every member-is national security team including his secretary of defense that it's important for important policy decisions like the ones related to syria for his team to be very thorough and to constantly be assessing and reassessing the success of those strategies. >> okay, so let's dig a little deep we are cnn military analyst general james "spider" marks. welcome, general. >> hi, carol, good morning. >> good morning. first of all do you agree with chuck hagel? >> absolutely. i think the administration's got a tough mission ahead of it and it's not done a very good job communicating what the desired new state needs to be and they certainly have galvanized a bunch of resources, specifically military, in order to accomplish
a task to go after isis and as we've discussed many, many times, clearly a strategy has to include all those elements of power. we don't see anything else that's really effectively engaging right now, certainly there are behind-the-scenes efforts diplomatically. the military effort is first and foremost the one that's going to do the heavy lifting for the administration, and there's some challenges with what we see. we've got some issues in terms of targeting. we've got some issues in terms of how you control ungoverned space. the military knows how to handle this. the challenge is how do you do it dpekti iveffectively and how get other parties involveds? 'the right thing for the secretary of defense to go to the administration and talk openly and call each other out respectfully and say look, we've got some challenges, let's step up. so i think the issue, carol, would be to see what happens going forward, and if secretary hagel is now dismissed or is asked to leave or has to depart the scene, then it's really going to demonstrate the closeted nature of
communications within this administration, which we all suspect to be very cloistered, nothing but good news, and we're, you know, it's all political all the time. >> well, you're right about that, sadly. chuck hagel actually addressed the controversy yesterday. let's listen to what he said. >> that's the responsibility of any leader, and because we are a significant element of this issue, we owe the president, and we owe the national security council our best thinking on this, and it has to be honest and it has to be direct. >> well, that is absolutely true, right, that's a good thing that chuck hagel is sharing what he really thinks with the national security adviser and then we assume the president of the united states. >> absolutely, carol. it needs to be done. in fact, he almost understated it very humbly. he said look, we're a significant factor in the
administration's policy. no he's not. he's the factor. the military is the element engaged right now doing the heavy lifting for the nation in terms of how we're going to get this problem of isis under control and how much time it's going to take. >> general spider marks thanks for your insight, i appreciate it as always. >> thank you, carol. you're welcome. still to come in "the newsroom," the suspect of the abduction of a university of virginia student faced a judge this morning but for a different case. brian todd is outside the courthouse in fairfax, virginia. >> reporter: good morning, carol. jesse matthew just had his charges read to him from the case in fairfax, accused of sexual assault and attempted murder. the charges were read to him, he already may have a controversy within his own defense team. i'll have that story just ahead. great rates and safety working in harmony. open an optimizer plus account from synchrony bank. service. security. savings.
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invests in our public schools. you are looking at the man charged with the abduction of a university of virginia student. he was in court this morning via video conference, not for the hannah graham case but for another case, a 2005 case. in this case a virginia woman was attacked from behind and sexually assaulted while on her way home from the grocery store. the attacker in that case ran away when he was scared off by a passer-by. there is dna in a sketch but until graham disappeared there were no suspects. matthew is charged with this woman's abduction, sexual assault and attempted murder. brian todd is outside the courthouse in fairfax, virginia, where the hearing just wrapped
up. tell us what happened. >> reporter: it got very interesting in court. jesse matthew appeared in a baggie black and white striped prison jumpsuit with an attorney who has been helping him in charlotte, jim camblos. he was read the three charges against him, abduction, attempted capital murder and sexual assault. he did not enter a plea because technically at that moment when the judge read him those charges, he didn't have an attorney. that's where it got interesting. jim camblose, the attorney helping him in charlottesville in the hannah graham case said he wanted to be his sole attorney, even though public defenders from fairfax had contacted jim camblose and said they wanted to help him with the case here. they made it clear camblose didn't want them to be involved. camblse told the judge he didn't want anybody else involved in the case, he wanted to be the sole attorney. he said you can't have two chiefs in a case and not enough
indians. he wanted to be the the only guy representing jesse matthew but judge dennis smith was having none of it, he'll appoint two attorneys, he'll let camblose handle jesse matthew's cases in charlottesville where he faces charges in the hannah graham case but he'll appoint a public defender to help him here in fairfax because the judge wants to get things going quickly in fairfax. he believes if jim camblose handles everything that he'll have issues in charlottesville that will slow him down up here. they want to get this case going quickly in fairfax. jim camblose was not happy with that decision by judge dennis smith. he shook his head, made other comments about procedure but he was not happy with having to share the defense of jesse matthew with a public defender here in fairfax county. that may arise as a potential issue in jesse matthews' defense. one other significant thing in court today was that jim ca
camblose, attorney representing him in charlottesville requested an evaluation for sanity, that's not necessarily an indication he's going to enter an insanity plea in this case but he's going to want to have him evaluated. the judge did not accept that request right now. he said i'll accept a motion on that later and i'll consider it later. that's another significant development today in court, carol. jim camblose's attorney requesting an evaluation for sanity for jesse matthew. >> no plea was entered in court today, right? >> that's right. he did not enter a plea at the time because at the time the charges were read to him, he did not have an attorney, but then really just a few minutes later, the judge settled it once and for all, he said jim camblose, your attorney in charlottesville if if you're going to represent him you'll share representation with him in fairfax with a public defender. he now has two attorneys representing him for the moment, one here in fairfax for the charges here and jim camblose
for the charges in the county two hours south of here. clearly jim camblose was not happy with that. how effective jesse matthew's going to be if there's controversy between the two sides trying to represent him. >> brian todd you stay there. i want to bring in legal analyst mel robbins. >> good morning. >> let's focus on the 2005 case against matthew. it could be the only win in this case because of the dna evidence. as far as we know there's no dna evidence in sadly the two other women sadly he was allegedly charged with killing. >> this is a case where a woman was attacked from behind allegedly, dragged gazebo and then that's where the assault or the attempted sexual assault
happened. according to the police reports, he also threatened to kill her, which is where the attempted murder charges come. now he's facing a maximum of life in prison for these charges. prosecutors have brought this case first because they have a witness, they have a much stronger case, and if and when they convict him, which it is my hope and based on what we've seen in terms of the facts of this case, they likely will, they will then have a guy who is a convicted sex offender. now you take a convicted sex offender and you bring that person to the hannah graham and the morgan harrington cases and any other cases that may or may not kind of result from continuing investigations. so it's very, it changes the landscape dramatically for the prosecution in hannah graham and morgan's case. >> happy-go-lucky hospital worker now a convicted -- >> you also can't put a guy like that on the stand. if he didn't have a criminal
conviction and he took the stand, he could basically play that this was a, you know, he took her home but nothing happened, and he's never seen her again and if there's no dna evidence linking him to the actual scene where they found the body, then he's got a viable defense, but another interesting angle here is the fact that they're going to ask for an insanity plea here, and -- >> seems that way at the moment. >> he wants him evaluated. there's two things for everybody to understand. there's two different types of evaluation. there's one that is whether or not he's competent to stand trial, which is what is his mental state right now. does he understand what's happening? that's not what they've asked for. they've asked for him to be evaluated for the insanity defense, which basically means in virginia, they use the mcnaughton rule which is that he suffers from some sort of illness that makes it impossible for him to control his impulses.
he doesn't understand right from wrong. it was interesting the judge said we're not going to do that right now. we're going to speed this along, not going to have any of the she nan ganz in terms of lawyers trying to slow this down and that's what you saw coming out of that courtroom today. >> the survivor in the 2005 case, brian, brian todd, what do we know about her? where is she? >> reporter: they referred to her, carol, as r.g. in court and after the session was over today, the prosecutor, ray moreau, the fairfax county commonwealth attorney came out and spoke to reporters. told us the victim is not in this country. she will come back to testify. he said she is relieved at the way things have gone recently in this case, the arrest of jesse matthew, the charges now being filed against him but that she is not now in this country. this was a brutal attack back in 2005, it happened not far from where we're standing here. we retraced the steps just a few days ago. she was grabbed from behind on germantown road in fairfax city
and dragged more than 100 yards to a grassy area behind kind of a townhouse complex and brutally assaulted. it was very traumatic for her, but they do have significant dna evidence in this case, they have a live victim ready to testify. she has exhibited a lot of courage and now is going to be coming from outside the united states to testify in this case. >> good for her. bri an todd, mel robbins, thank you both. >> next hour we'll talk to a criminal profiler about jesse matthew and this case. more new video to cnn, looking at eric frein, suspected cop killer leaving the courthouse in pennsylvania. he appeared for an initial appearance, he'll be in court again very soon but as you can see state troopers leading him back to the jailhouse, where he'll be held. when he walked into the courthouse, quite a crowd had gathered around him. they were shouting out "coward,
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the closing bell. >> christine romans thank you so much. pike county, pennsylvania, the prosecutor in the eric frein case is addressing the public. eric green was charged with murder in the first-degree for killing a state trooper in pennsylvania. let's listen. >> -- police officers and law enforcement from many jurisdictions from our nation outside of pennsylvania that have worked without rest to successfully apprehend eric frein. they are to be commended for their professionalism, persistence and the resources that they brought to capture eric frein. today's preliminary arrangement is the first step in the criminal justice system in the commonwealth of pennsylvania. based on the facts and evidence, we have charged mr. frein with murder in the first-degree,
homicide of a law enforcement offic officer, attempted murder in the first degree, attempted homicide of a law enforcement officer, assault of a law enforcement officer, possession of weapons of mass destruction, discharging a firearm into an occupied structure, possession of instrument of crime, and reckless endangerment. i would like to remind everyone that, while eric frein is now in custody, the investigation is still ongoing. the pennsylvania state police, the fbi, and the atf will condition the investigation so we can build the best case in order to chief justice on behalf of corporal dixon, trooper douglas and the pennsylvania state police family. we have now started to find the
answers that the community desired in this case. the families in this matter of corporal brian dixon and trooper alex douglas and the pennsylvania state police have suffered an unimaginable loss of unspeakable proportions. they will never be the same, but today, we find some comfort as a community that we are taking these next steps towards justice. to my left, a man who needs no introduction, lieutenant colonel george bibins, to my right first assistant district attorney bruce desaor, other members of pennsylvania state police and my staff. i will take questions now, and
also lieutenant colonel bibbins will be available for any questions. >> reporter: i'll start. what was the real break in this case? was there a sighting in was there a clue? what really led you to him? >> i will let lieutenant colonel bibbins address that. >> this was not a result of a sighting. this was the result of the ongoing pressure put on frein by law enforcement, and so we had continued the grid searches, the woodland searches, the house-to-house, cabin to cabin searches, and as a result of that, one of the teams in this case, u.s. marshals, located him as part of a routine sweep through the woods that they were conducting. >> reporter: why did he do it? do you have any idea? >> we're not prepared to discuss motives today. that will be an ongoing part of the investigation. [ inaudibnau >> reporter: has he spoken since
his arrest? >> he has spoken but we will not comment on any statements he made. >> reporter: when he was arrested was there any message sent to him once ef he was arrested, anything at all? >> no, there was no message. he was transported and then interviewed by members of the pennsylvania state police. >> reporter: even though he's been arrested, one of your own is no longer with you, emotionally what does this feel like? >> well, you know, it's difficult for everyone in the state police and particularly for the dixon family, but i believe there's also a sense of relief that had has ended, relief that there won't be anyone else injured in the course of this manhunt and that was always a big concern. this individual has shown himself to be dangerous both with the rifles that he carried, the handguns and the explosives that he had built so there was always a lot of concern for the safety of law enforcement, but i'm very proud of the work that the men and women of the state police and also all of our
fellow law enforcement agencies did in apprehending frein. >> reporter: can you tell us what you found in the search warrant? >> the searches are ongoing as we speak. >> reporter: has he said anything after being captured? have you spoke on it the frein ph spoken to the frein family? >> we've been in contact with the family but i'm not prepared to discuss anything that may have been said there. >> reporter: did yhe have arms n him at the time of at rest? >> no. >> reporter: any idea why he didn't have guns physically on his person? >> no, i wouldn't want to speculate. >> reporter: have you any idea how he was surviving out there in. >> we've gained some insight, without going into a lot of specific detail, i would characterize it much as we had said all along that he was able to get into cabins, into other unoccupied structure, find food, in other cases he had things
hidden, but he was able to get shelter and get in out of the weather much as we had suspected was occurring. >> reporter: can you comment specifically any kind of remorse? >> no, we're not going to characterize or comment on anything he said. [ inaudible question ]. >> reporter: can you walk us how that went zmoun. >> my understanding he was outside the hangar and did not go back into the hangar. team was sweeping through the area, surprised him as he was outside of the hangar, gave him commands to surrender. he complied with those commands and was taken into custody. [ inaudible question ] >> we have no reason to believe he was assisted by anyone at this point. >> reporter: what happened, was there a strugle? >> there was no struggle with law enforcement. he talked to us about some things that occurred to him while he made his way through the woods and so forth over that 40-plus day period, but that was an injury that occurred to him
at some point in his flight. >> reporter: have there been sightings of him the last couple of days? >> we're still working through all of that, part of the ongoing investigation, to determine you know, where exactly he had been and we'll determine at some point which of those sightings were in fact legitimate but it will take us time. [ inaudible question ]. >> that's part of the ongoing investigation. >> reporter: any idea how long he stayed in that hangar? >> that will be part of this investigation. there's a lot of evidence we're in the process of collecting and it will take us some time to analyze all of that, compare it to statements that he has given us and allow us to really kind of map out his entire time out in the woods or in those cabins. >> has he indicated there are more explosives in the woods? that he had left behind? >> he has not.
>> reporter: do you know if he was planning an ambush? >> that's part of the investigation. we've said previously he planned it for years based on other interviews we had done and information we found, so we know it was an extended period of time, and you know, as far as the refining of that belief that's part of the ongoing investigation. [ inaudible question ] >> again, that will be all part of the investigation. we've seized significant amount of evidence already, and there are ongoing searches. we may have a better idea of that in the coming days. >> reporter: as to why he did it, you have a good idea why he did it or not saying or you have no idea? >> i've characterized his actions in the past as pure evil and i would stand by that. >> reporter: have you ever worried that he had left the area? >> i'm sorry? >> reporter: theories he may have left the area, across the border in new york city or were you confident he was still in the poconos?
>> we remained confident that he was in this area. everything pointed that he was here, and that's why we focused the vast majority of our efforts in this area. >> reporter: is he talking to you about what happened? is he cooperating with you in the investigation? >> sorry, just one minute. as far as the costs we're calculating those. in the past in the ball park of $0 million and that's probably a fairly reasonable estimate. in the not too distant future i suspect we'll have specific costs available for you but i think that gives you the rough idea. >> reporter: where in relation so where he was camped? >> that's part of the search that is ongoing. i can tell you that we know there are weapons in the hangar, and those will be all, those will be collected and processed as part of the ongoing search warrant down there. [ inaudible question ] >> we'll have to determine that. >> reporter: is he cooperating and talking to you? >> he has spoken with law
enforcement, but i'm not going to go any further than that. >> reporter: does the hangar seem to be the most significant place that he stayed, perhaps for a long period of time? >> that will be part of the ongoing investigation. really not prepared to say that that's the case. we know that he moved around hopeful lly we'll be able to determine how long he stayed in what locations as this unfolds. >> reporter: because he's so high-profile, will he be in the general population or isolated? >> that will be up to the warden of the pike county correctional facility. >> reporter: lieutenant colonel, what is the general morale of your men and women na [ inaudible ]. >> the remarch roll remains high. we brought in numerous waves of people across the state, troopers anxious to come here and there was never a shortage
of volunteers offering to come up and while they were here, they gave us a very good effort. i'm proud of the work that they've done and i commend the other agencies as well but i'm proud of the way our people stepped up and never lost faith and got this done. >> thank you, ladies and gentlemen. >> thank you, lieutenant colonel bivens. [ applause ] we're going to jump away from this. you could hear the applause at the end of the news conference. i want to bring you back to pennsylvania and miguel marquez, joey jackson, our cnn legal analyst is with me, too. you were inside the courtroom when eric frein made his initial appearance in front of a judge. what was that like? >> i have never seen anything like it. there must have been 30 law enforcement officials in this small courtroom here from the state troopers to the sheriffs to police. everybody. just incredibly high security. the other thing that we saw just
a short time ago was a -- the walk of the suspect from the front doors of this courthouse. i've never seen anything like it. you saw heavily armed police come out to secure the area. they brought mr. frein around. you heard the cat calls, you heard the applause as the officials spoke now. this is a man that they are worried somebody will try to kill, yet they want the world to know and there's a great sense of relief that they got him. mr. frein walked into court today, he looked thin, he looked pale. i can tell you his forehead, he had abrasions on the left side of his forehead, the left side of the bridge of his nose was cut and along his left cheek it looked like it was bruised and a bit swollen. his voice was strong. the judge went through the ten counts that he now faces, including murder, murder of law enforcement officers, attempted murder, attempted murder of a law enforcement officer, possession of mass destruction
among other things and that is man who answered all the way along, does not appear to have a laureate. his next hearing, the official hearing, his preliminary hearing, will be held on november 12. carol? >> miguel, was there any family in the courtroom? >> it was hard to say. it appeared -- there were several people going into the court before they allowed us to go in. it appeared there may have been family member or people associated with either the douglas or dixson family going into the courtroom. it did not appear mr. frein's family was there. we know from the governor and through the commission over the state police here that mr. dick s -- dixon's family and mr. douglas' family are informed and are grateful for what has happened but we don't have any sense from them at the moment. a lot of press here as well. the number of local people who
went into that courtroom, though, today, there must have been 30 or 40 people who lined up waiting to get in, some of them saying "i just want to see the face of evil." carol? >> and you can certainly understand that people were afraid in their home, halloween was about can canceled but now it's been back on because police caught the guy. i want to bring in joey jackson. the prosecutor is going to go for the death penalty. they seem to be amassing much more evidence. what more do they need? >> you know what? they have a lot now, carol, and the police are very motivated and they were very motivated to get this done and they did it after the seven weeks and they're very motivated, obviously, because a law enforcement officer is dead, carol, who had two children. and what they're going to do is piece everything together. remember after the law enforcement officer was killed and his colleague was injured they went and found his suv when there was a gentleman walking his dog and there was a treasure
trove of information in that suv also, carol, that connected him to that that crime, including ballistic evidence. in addition to that, throughout the search they came across a journal and that journal represented his actions talking about "i took a shot, i had a shot at 11:00, i took it, he went down fast." so all of this information in addition to the information that they've gleaned once they've apprehended him will be used in his prosecution. and also remember this. based upon the death penal they you need is a what's called and aggravating circumstance. that aggravating circumstance is met here based upon his killing of a state official or certainly a police officer. and so based upon that, i think they're going to be very motivated to get it done. it's a long way from the process and only three people have been executed in pennsylvania since 1976, but certainly there are many more, 191 on death row. if they have the evidence they say they have on him, he'll be another. >> that's his mug shot you're seeing behind us.
could whoever defends him say he was insane? because obviously he was role-playing through this whole thing. he came to believe he was like a real military guy. >> it's concerning and i think that that's sort of going to attempt to be -- i think the defense is going to try to use that as a way out. and remember, the death penalty, you know, there's a lot of appeal that attach to that assuming he's convicted but before that in his defense many defense attorneys use the whole mental illness, psychological insanity defense, but it's not very successful in many instances and when you look at the plotting and planning they say as many years took place to do this, it's going to be a hard lift to say that he was mentally ill but he planned everything and carried it out with precision and in his mental illness, carol, he evaded police for 48 days. it's a heavy lift to suggest that. >> joey jackson, miguel marquez, thanks to both of you. we'll have much more on this case and more if the next hour of newsroom.
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nightmare ends and an accused cop killer makes his first appearance in court in pennsylvania it was a routine sweep through the woods that led to the arrest of eric frein outside an abandoned airport in the pocono mountains. you can hear people calling him "coward" as he made his way into the courthouse. he looks thin, he has a cut on his nose. he's charged with a laundry list of crimes including first degree murder and his arrest was filled with links to the slain state trooper he's now accused of killing. i'm joined by miguel marquez outside the courthouse in pennsylvania, hln legal analyst joey jackson with me as is matthew horace, a former atf special agent and senior vice president and chief security officer for fjc security service. i'd like to go to pennsylvania first and check in with miguel, because it was quite the scene inside the courthouse this morning. tell us about it, miguel. >> de