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in new york city, officers have been told they must travel in pairs, a buddy system. and in d.c., the police chief says she's been sending two to three messages a day to officers reminding them to remain on alert. >> thank you so much, rene marsh for that. much more in the newsroom starting right now. all right. here are the top stories we're following in the newsroom. the search for answers under way after a second private space flight ends in disaster. this as we wait for another update from the ntsb about the virgin space flight accident. and breaking news on the 'lease of andrew tahmooressi. and the calendar may say november 1st, but several parts of the country are about to be blasted with an early taste of winter. snow falling as far south as
georgia. and more, guess what, on the way. hello again, everyone, i'm fredricka whitfield. developing news on the virgin galactic spaceship disaster. the ntsb about to release an update about spaceship 2 coming down. this as we understand that virgin ceo richard branson could arrive at any moment at the crash site in california. the shasship 2 plane fell apart just two minutes after friday's launch over the mojave desert. one pilot was killed, the other hospitalized. cnn's stephanie elam is near the launch site. the second private space disaster this week. what are we learning about what happened? any commonalities here? >> reporter: yeah, it's very disturbing, obviously, it's a very rough week for space exploration and these private endeavors as well, fred. what you're seeing here are the challenges of actually trying to get up to space. the plan was to take people up
62 miles above earth so that they could feel maybe for five or six minutes what it's like to be weightless in the lower regions of space before coming back to earth. this whole endeavor now going through a setback. what we know is that spaceship 2, the one that crashed yesterday, it cost about half a billion dollars to make, just that one vehicle alone. the ship that was bringing it aloft, that was taking it up into the sky, that landed safely. that called white knight 2, that part is fine, but this particular spaceship that they lost yesterday, it's a big deal that they lost it, let alone the fact that you've also lost one of the pilots and this other pilot is in serious condition as well, fred. >> and what more do we know about those pilots or when might be learn something, especially since, you know, the ceo richard branson will be making his way there momentarily? >> right. we're understanding that he may be here imminently if he's not already on the ground here. what we're hoping to learn more
about is who these pilots are, how long they've been involved. from what i can gather these pilots have been involved in this type of activity for a while. the space exploration community seems rather tight knit. seems like they really do know each other. and here in the mojave desert, this is a place where you have a lot of space exploration work, you have a lot of aeronautic work. these people come here, they live out here, there's a community that's really feeling the impact of this loss, fred. >> thanks so much, stephanie elam, appreciate that. in a few minutes we'll continue this conversation with retired nasa astronaut and shuttle commander captain mark kelly. there is freedom and a homecoming for a u.s. marine reservist today. sergeant andrew tahmooressi stepped down from a flight after an early morning flight the san diego. he was released late last night on psychological grounds after
spending seven months in jail for entering the mexico with guns in his truck. how did all of this unfold? >> it was months of hard work by the defense team, by his family, keeping this story in the news. as you mentioned psychological grounds, humanitarian grounds. he was released because he has ptsd and mexico doesn't have the resources to give ptsd treatment to their prisoners. i spoke to former ambassador bill richardson about the charges that the former marine reservist was facing. >> i think that was incorrect. he's a good young man. you know, he's a war hero. and we have to stand behind them. maybe a mistake was made on the weapons thing. i think he took a wrong turn coming into mexico, and maybe because of some confusion or the ptsd, but he's a good, young man. he's served two tours in afghanistan. he has suffered enough. great family, great mom and dad.
you know, let's focus on the positive. so i think the mexican judge made the right choice. you got all the evidence, he took a long time and he made the final decision that, because of ptsd, on humanitarian grounds he should be released. so it ended well. >> the outcome, it was the outcome that the family was hoping for all this time, fred. >> you know, i think the last time you report on this and you were talking to the mother having the conversation with the mother, it didn't seem very hopeful. >> no. >> it's pretty extraordinary that there would be this turnaround. if bill richardson, montana williams, all these people who had been working on this, have they can working on it for a very long time and perhaps the family didn't even know it or did something just occur within the past 30 days or the course of a past few days or weeks that turned things around that allowed mexico to say there are psychological grounds in which to win his release?
>> this is extraordinary especially when you consider the stance of the mexican nationalists, they believed he was on his way to do something bad, something nefarious. in recent weeks we reported that there were conversations that began at high levels in the mexican government, in the attorney general's office to find a way for them really, fred, to save face so that they didn't look like they were caving to pressure from the american side, caving to this very strong pressure from not only the family but others, skd mentioning it to his counterpart, secretary of state kerry, i should say. it happened. a surprise to the family. right now they're living in the moment. they say andrew tahmooressi it seemed like his mental health was deteriorating now he has the resources to try to get better. >> thanks so much for bringing it to us. sad news from washington state. a third teenager has died after last week's high school shooting
north of seattle. 14-year-old shea he chuckulnaskit was shot down. her family says she was a radiant light in their lives. another student was killed on the scene and another died. jayleb fryberg invited his victims to the same table by texting them. he took his own life at school that day. heavy rains in ventura county, california, led to dangerous mud slides earlier this morning. police evacuated residents from 11 homes as a precaution. a man was briefly trapped in one of the homes but he was later found safe. there are no reports of any injuries. the same area of the mud slide was burned by a wildfire last year. it is still fall, but it sure doesn't feel like it. it feels more like winter with snow falling early this morning in the mountains of california and even further south in georgia, temperatures actually continued to fall. cnn meteorologist jennifer gray
is here with us. see? you're looking like winter. i had to put extra layers on because it does feel like winter. i kind of like it. >> we felt like the 20s this morning here in atlanta. this is gatlinburg, tennessee. look at the snow in the trees. unfortunately, because most of the trees still have leaves on them, we dealt with a lot of downed trees, but several inches in gatlinburg fell overnight and into this morning. luckily most of that snow is starting to wrap up. we're dealing with very cold rain, though, and it is still very windy. so that wind chill is going to play a factor in today's forecast. 40 degrees in chicago, 44 in atlanta. when you factor in the wind chill it feels like 34 degrees right now in atlanta, feeling like 31 in chicago. so feeling like the upper 20s still at this hour in cincinnati. so it is chilly, chilly out there. temperatures, high temperatures the next couple of days. we'll slowly be warming. the winds will die down. so it will feel warmer just without those winds. but we'll be back up to 60
degrees in d.c. by monday. temperatures, 66 in atlanta on monday as well. so all of that snow that fell will quickly be melting over the next 48 hours. get those snowmen built quick because the snow will be melting. >> oh, my goodness, i think this is a prelude. this is my prediction, my nonmeteorological prediction. the prelude to a cold winter. >> i don't even want to hear it. i don't even want to hear it. i know, but you're probably right. >> that's what i'm feeling, that's all. thanks very much, jennifer. a woman in portland oregon who traveled from liberia is now hospitalized and quarantined. she had been self-monitoring for symptoms and discovered she had a fever friday morning. she's 21 years old, moved from liberia to portland on tuesday. oregon health officials say she did not have any known exposure to ebola while overseas. meantime in maine a nurse who had treated ebola patients in sierra leone and refused to
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almost clear in just 4 months. so having just arrived this morning, we don't have any substantive information yet. but if you have question, i'd be happy to take them. >> how different is this investigation from the typical investigation that the ntsb does? this has many similarities and differences. it has some of both for us. some of the differences is that this was a space launch vehicle and this would be the -- we participated in the launches of
the challenger and the "columbia" but this will be the first time we have been in the lead of a space launch that involved persons on board. >> is there a black box in this vehicle? >> the question is is there a black box in this vehicle. i'm not sure of that. we'll find out today. any other questions? the question was is the alt tufd mishap? i don't know that kind of information yet. we'll find that out very quickly because this was a -- this was a test flight and test flights are typically very well documented in terms of data. and we may get some video feed. we may have lots of evidence that will help us with the investigative process. and we appreciate that. that will make our job simpler and make it able to find out not only what happened but also more importantly why it happened so we can make recommendations to try to prevent it from happening
again t question is do we have any telemetry, and we'll find that out today. do not know the answer to that. one more question then we have to move on. how big is the team? 13 to 15 investigators. and the question is is this a standard size. the size depends on the complexity of the mission and because this has new aspects for us, we wanted to make sure we covered all the basis. thank you very much for coming. we'll have our press conference this afternoon. >> you're listening there to christopher hart acting chair of the ntsb right there at the site or near the site of where this spaceship, the world's first spaceship designed for tourists exploding in midair and then plummeting to the earth in the mojave desert. you heard from hart there saying there are a whole lot of unanswered questions. this is the first time they've
ever had to investigate a space launch accident with people on board. one pilot dying and the other was able to parachute but is still being hospitalized. you're hearing from hart there who says it's unclear if there was a black becomes on this flight. unclear what kind of altitude it had reached. because this is a test flight, it's very unusual circumstances but at the same time he says often test flights have a whole lot of documentation they still have yet to pore through. so we'll get more information as we get it with that investigation under way. all right. now, several big names hitting the campaign trail today in the fim push for the 2014 midterm elections which are just now three days away. chris christie, bill and hillary clinton and even president president stumping today. candy crowley is following all of the races. candy, what are we expecting to see come tuesday night especially as a result of the
big guns so to speak that are stumping on the trail? >> the big guns are not trying to change minds at this point. they're trying to drive up votes. that's what that's about, bring out your biggest names, get people all excited, say, bring your friends, bring your neighbors, you see the president was out there earlier this week, that's about turnout because every single election it is a truism that the -- it will come down to who shows up to vote. there was that. otherwise the broad outline are certainly what we've been talking about. you will see a more republican capitol hill both on the house side and the senate side, probably more democratic g governorships, the democrats stand that's sort of their bright spot. the numbers in the margins, how many seats in the senate and how many in the house, because john boehner may pick up an even bigger majority than he has now on the house side. the question is he's had a hard time with the majority he's got
now. will it be an easier job or tougher job depending on who he picks up. >> we've seen a lot of potential 2016 contenders stumping for other members of their party this midterm. we've seen some of the examples already. one of the big names being tossed around as a potential candidate is kennedy -- kentucky, rather, senator rand paul. you sat down with the senator and asked him about the stark division in this country and what it means for the midterms. this is a little bit of what he said. >> what does it say about republicans? because a lot of these races, about ten of them, are still pretty darn close, which means that those democrats have been able to survive in the worst of environments. >> well, i think it shows that our country's pretty evenly divided. it tilts a little bit one way and the other way, but i think when you have a president and then you have hillary clinton saying the same thing, saying that businesses don't create jobs, a lot of americans are scratching their heads and saying, who do these people
create jobs if businesses don't? do they thing that government creates jobs and that's how america became great? i think there's a philosophical debate in this country. a lot of people find themselves saying if we don't understand that businesses create jobs and we don't understand that we want american businesses and money to come home and do something constructive, maybe we need new leadership in the country. people are ready for new leadership. >> and so candy, you know, he certainly is less than reticent about being critical not just about democrats but even being critical about the gop brand, is he getting any pushback from that. is he receiving criticism for his criticism or is he standing his ground on that? h he famously said the gop brand sucks. if you look at the republican report after the last presidential election, how are
we going to change the party, they're saying the same things that rand paul is saying, which is we need to grow the base. the country is getting less republican in the kind of population sense, it is less white. you know, it is less male. what we're seeing here is the rise of minorities. we're headed toward a majority/minority country. what rand paul is saying, look, we have to reach out and broaden our base here or this party is headed for extinction. he said it in quite colorful language and people wouldn't quite say that. notice that he talked about the brand more than the policy. i did ask him about that as well, so -- >> and what's the difference? >> well, a brand, he uses domino's pizza to say, domino's pizza says our crust sucks. what rand paul is saying is that republicans aren't doing a good enough job selling their policy. so the question is is it about the policies or is it that
republicans haven't gone in to these neighborhoods, haven't really reached out to hispanics, to women, to african-americans? is it that they haven't reached out? is it the way they're doing it or is it what they're selling? that's the key question. >> interesting. candy crowley, appreciate it. always good to see you. >> thanks. >> be sure to tune in to cnn election night coverage starting tuesday evening 5:00 p.m. eastern. and straight ahead an update from the ntsb about the deadly spaceship accident. ♪
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all right. just moments ago we got an update on the investigation into that failed space flight in california. the ntsb saying unclear whether there's a black box on board that flight. it's unclear what kind of logging may have taken place, however, they say on test flights usually they're extensively however there are something like 13 investigators on the case investigating. one pilot is dead, the other
still being hospitalized. the ntsb is looking into why a virgin galactic spaceship fell apart after launching over the mojave desert. that's what you're seeing over there on the screen. on the left is accident that actually happened. on tuesday, an unmanned rocket exploded just after takeoff off the coast of virginia. it's the second incident to impact the commercial space industry this week. as nasa put it, the pain of tragedies like this is felt by all the men and women who have devoted their lives to exploration. retired nasa astronaut and shuttle commander captain mark kelly is one of those people. he's joining me now. good to see you. mark, what do you think this will do to the overall ambitions of the commercial flight space industry? >> well, overall and over a long period of time, i don't think either of these accidents will
have a long-term negative effect. these things are to be expected. flying in space is a difficult thing to do, whether it's cargo to the space station or flying potential tourists to, you know, to these kind of altitudes, about 60 miles in a suborbital flight. you would have to expect that there would be accidents. >> this should not discourage those who are passionate or excited about exploration whether it be in a privatized way or not. you say there are likely to zbents maybe of this caliber? >> yeah, i don't think it should discourage anybody for the future, you know, of this industry. obviously, with virgin galactic, with this accident, they're going to have to regroup and do a thorough investigation. it's great that they have the ntsb involved in this. you mentioned the data recorders earlier. i imagine there's some kind of
data being recorded on board and probably not your typical black box, there will be telemetry. to help understand the cause of this accident. >> are there nasa folks that are devoted is and involved in this process and are you able to tell me the level of expertise that goes into this kind of team to get this type of space flight in the air? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, one individual, a guy named mike moses used to be on my last shuttle flight as the commander of the final flight of space shuttle "endeavour." mike moses was basically the operations guy, the guy that ran the entire team. and this is a huge team of thousands of people to get the space shuttle ready for launch, to get it launched into space. he's now the head of operations for virgin galactic. they also have a former space
shuttle commander as one of the pilots at virgin galactic. so they have great expertise there. they have the right people involved, but like i said earlier, this stuff is not easy. >> yeah, and so given that there's so many former nasa people involved in this venture, there's a lot at stake, is there not? i mean in terms of why they want it to succeed or is there a feeling with this kind of exploration it might inspire or revitalize nasa as we once knew? >> well, this is different than what nasa does. you know, with the space shuttle, we go to orbittal velocity 17,500 miles an hour. we bring cargo up to the international space station. now we retired the space shuttle. companies like spacex, boeing will hopefully be delivering people up to iss in the next couple of years. what richard is attempting to do is a little bit different.
this is suborbital flight. it's not as fast as you need to go in the space shuttle. there are other challenges. he wants to turn this vehicle around very quickly and fly it again in order to fly upwards of hundreds of customers each year. it's not necessarily the best comparison, but they're both difficult and challenging things to do. and they've got some work to do, but they do have the expertise there to figure this out and move it ahead. >> paying customers are expected to be on spaceships as early as next year with these kinds of accidents this week do you believe that will likely set that back or, you know, could they still move forward as planned? >> well, with orbittal sciences, they're delivering cargo to the space shuttle. they have no future plans to be flying people. virgin galactic, on the other hand, richard had, you know, the company's plan and his plan was to be flying paying customers and he would be on the first
flight here some time within the next year. now it depends on what was the cause of this accident. you know, people are talking about, you know, the change in fuel from that rubberized solid fuel to this plastic, you know, mixture, and that change could be the cause of the accident. it might be something totally different. we don't know. when we eventually figure out -- when they figure out what the cause of the accident is, it could be an easy fix. it could be something that require s an extensive redesign. that would certainly delay the first flight with passengers. >> sounds like you're fairly excited about this type of exploration. do you fully endorse it? do you like the idea? >> you know, i do. i do now. when i was at nasa, i was a little bit skeptical whether a company like spacex could deliver cargo to the space station. it's a difficult thing to do. they've proven they can do that. richard is try to get hundreds
of people into space. it remind meese of what happened in aviation in the 1920s and '30s when it became commercialized and companies were trying to make a profit is where it really took off. so this could be -- this commercialization of space could be the beginning of something great for this country. maybe in our lifetimes, instead of traveling from, you know, l.a. to say london in, you know, ten hours, maybe we'd be able to do it as fast as you can do it in the space shuttle, which is about 35, 40 minutes. >> captain mark kelly, always good to see you. thank you very much for your expertise. appreciate that. this virgin galactic, the founder of this company, richard branson, is expected to take to the microphones there. when he does, we'll take that live. but first today's cnn hero. he helped children kick the pain and fear out of cancer. >> i really hate when it hurts. it's a really sharp pain.
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live pictures out of the mojave desert. they're getting the microphones all prepped and ready to go. we're expecting ga laktic ceo richard branson is about to speak at any moment now about the accident involving space flight yesterday. when that happens we'll take it live as soon as he starts talking. here's a look at some of the other top stories we're following. a u.s. marine reservist is free and back with his family today after seven months in a mexican prison. a little andrew tahmooressi was accused of crossing the border with three guns in his truck. jonathan franks said the family is relishing some private time. >> they're now together as a
family. at the appropriate time and place, he will speak for himself. and i don't want to -- i think there's been far too much projecting opinions and whether you want to call it ideological predispositions upon him. and he's perfectly capable of speaking for himself. after he has some time, i think he will speak for himself. >> sergeant tahmooressi was released on psychological grounds. he is said to be suffering from ptsd. now just three days before americans head to the polls to cast their ballots in the midterm elections and a lot is at stake. here now is cnn's tom foreman. >> there are three key things we're watching in this midterm. and the first is right here in the u.s. senate. the democrats have been in
charge. we're showing them here in blue along with the two independents caucus with them in purple. the republicans are expected to gain some seats here. the democrats are expected to lose some but control of this chamber is going to come down to nine or ten very close races and the democrats have to win six or more of them if they want to remain in power here. on the other side of the rotunda, the second thing we're looking at, which is the u.s. house of representatives, the republicans have had the majority here. that is not expected to change. the question is will they lose some seats or, more likely, will they pick up some, and if so, how? if they do it with tea party help, that could set up divisions within the republican party that the democrats might be able to exploit even from their minority position, which brings us to the third thing we're looking at which is the white house reaction to all of this. if the president comes out swinging over a big loss and he completely alienates the
republicans, they have a perfect excuse then to say we're going to make you the lamest of lame duck presidents with control of both chambers. if, however, he's too conciliatory toward the republicans, he could despirit his own party and that could make it very tough for any other democrat who wants to win the white house in 2016. >> back to politics in a moment. right now to the mojave desert. you see right there the introduction of the virgin galactic ceo richard branson. he's to speak momentarily about the accident involving what would be the first spaceship designed for tourists exploding in midair yesterday. right there. and then plummeting into the mojave. a pilot was killed. another parachuted. let's now listen in to richard branson. >> thank you very much for coming. this is obviously a very tough
time for everybody who works at virgin galactic, who works for this spaceship company and who works for scale composites. most importantly our thoughts remain with the families of the brave scale pilots and all who have been affected by this tragedy. we are determined to find out what went wrong and are working with the authorities to get that information. it is too early for me to add any details of the investigation at this stage. we've always known that commercial space travel is an incredibly hard project. we've been undertaking a comprehensive testing program for many years and safety has always been our number one priority. this is the biggest test program ever carried out in commercial aviation history to ensure that this never happens to the public. the bravery of test pilots cannot be overstated.
nobody underestimates the risks involved in space travel. commander chris hatfield is amongst those who sent moving notes of support in which he highlighted the nature of space projects. he wrote, as a former test pilot, crashes and, sadly, even deaths were frequent. it is a known part of the business. little solace but reality. pushing the bounds of knowledge and possibility comes with unavoidable risk. in testing the boundaries of human capabilities and technologies we're standing on the shoulders of giants. yesterday we fell short. we'll now comprehensively assess the results of the crash and are determined to learn from this and move forward together as a group of friends and a company. we've been touched by the overwhelming support coming from not just the space community but the world at large. if i could hug every single
person who has sent messages of love, support and understanding over the past day, i would. the space community sticks together. and there have been touching messages of solidarity from nasa, even from the international space station, x-prize, our customers, media, the virgin family and many thousand of people around the world inspired by the vision of commercial space travel. of all the moving words shared with us, a quote from the astronaut lisa nowak stood out. of course, risk is part of space flight. we accept some of that to achieve greater goals in exploration and find out more about ourselves and about the universe. we do understand the risks involved, and we're not going to push on blindly. to do so would be an insult to
all those affected by this tragedy. we're going to learn from what went wrong, discover how we can improve safety and performance and then move forward together. i truly believe that humanity's greatest achievements come out of our greatest pain. this team is a group of the bravest, the brightest, the most determined and the most resilient of people. we are determined to honor the bravery of the pilots and the teams here by learning from this tragedy. only then can we move forward united behind a collective desire to push the boundaries of human endeavor. thank you very much. >> is it to say that the dream lives on? >> it's fair to say that all 400 engineers who work here and i think most people in the world
would love to see the dream living on. as i say that we owe it to our test pilots to find out exactly what went wrong, and once we've found out what went wrong, if we can overcome it, we'll make absolutely certain that the dream lives on. >> -- about not going to make it no matter what to space. what is your response to that? >> the ntsb will be doing regular press conferenceness ov -- conferences next month. i'm not allowed to comment at any all about any of it. it's the ntsb that will be commenting. and to be honest, i find it slightly irresponsible that people who know nothing about what they're saying can be saying things before the ntsb makes their comments. >> tell us about the pilot who died and what about the
survivor? >> somebody later on will give you more details on that. no, the pilot worked for scale, not for virgin galactic. and i've actually -- i never met him. >> what's the future -- >> we would love to finish what we started some years ago and i think pretty well all our astronauts would love us to finish it, would love to go to space. i think millions of people in the world would love one day to have the chance to go to space, and this is the start of a long program. you know, i've spoken before once we got this program off the
ground offering point to point travel. in the early days of aviation there were incidents and then aviation became very safe. in the days of commercial space travel, there have been incidents, then we hoped one day the test pilots would enable people to be able to go to space safely and that's our wish and desire. >> so richard, what's your message to those who wanted to be on those journeys? what's your message today having seen what they've seen in the last 24 hours? >> we've had numerous messages of support from the people who -- the astronauts who signed up to go with us. we even had somebody sign up specifically to become an astronaut yesterday in support of the program. so i think that they've been patient to date. i think most of them will be patient longer.
we may lose one or two, but it doesn't look like. >> sir richard -- >> okay. of course, anybody who ever wants a refund would be able to get a refund. we haven't used the money. we've always decided it's best not to use the money. it just gave us the confidence to do the program knowing that these people were so committed. i'm afraid, thank you very much for being here, i'm being pulled away to go see the 300, 400 people who work here. but thank you very much for your time. >> thank you for meeting with us. >> virgin galactic ceo richard branson. clearly this is very personal, but he still remains committed. he says the dream, you know, lives on, but he did express an appreciation that the ntsb would be there to try to figure out what happened. he underscored in the early days of aviation there are incidents
that happened, certainly the priority number one has always been safety, but they will continue to try to keep this project going. he says this team of 400 as he just mentioned he wants to go meet with the 400 or so engineers, the team is the group of the bravest and the brightest. he said, we would love to finish what we started a few years ago but he understands after a deadly accident like this, one pilot dying, another remaining hospitalized, he would understand for those who paid their money to be among the first of the civilians to fly into space by way of his program, he says certainly they could get a refund if they wanted to. of course, he is determined, he says, quote, unquote, to find out what went wrong, but it's too early right now to detail. and you heard from the ntsb earlier as well saying they have heard an awful lot of questions. they do understand that test
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actually, my question was is anybody going to show up? but realistically the idea of quarantining her was not supported by the evidence. everyone knew it. we're seeing a number of governors around the country, fredricka, ordering quarantines of doctors in hotel rooms and here we have in kaci hickox's case, the fact is unless there's clear and convincing evidence, public health can only be protected with evidence, not with fear. >> and richard, nurse kaci hickox must have, quote, unquote, direct active monitoring. but what if she breaks that, then what? >> if she breaks that, she's going to get arrested, fred. but here's the question. these cases are done on a case by case basis, a quick primer on constitutional law, if you are going to limit and restrict someone's individual liberties, the courts do a balancing test and they have to base it on rational information and use the least restrictive means. here, as you read the decision by the judge, he basically said,
this is out of fear. this is fear mongering, this is bad information, bad facts, misconceptions. i'm not going to stand by it. i'm going to use the least restrictive means, but you're right, if she violates, she's going to get arrested. >> because you're arresting her and there's already this, as you mention, the judge put it, fear or concern about her health and her contact with the public, then you're going to put her in where if you're fearful of her contact with anybody else. so it seems like one problem presents another and another. so then i wonder is this precedent setting at all or influential in any way to other states, avery, in your view? >> i mean, it's a decision, there's no binding authority, but you know what? it's a four-pager, not particularly deep. if another just wants to use it, fine, but it has absolutely no precedential effect. >> how do you see it?
>> i agree with avery. >> oh! you're agreeing? >> for once he's right, what can i say, fred. one state decision, each state is different. it's based on a solid foundation. i think it will we followed. >> it's a balance, you're exactly right. >> we're all in agreement that avery had an incredible weekend last weekend being honored at the u.s. supreme court in the great room. and oh, look, we have a picture, avery. >> oh, my goodness. >> explain that moment, how important it was for you. >> it was, but you know, i look at it as something for all of us. what we've endeavored to do, all three of us in particular, is try to make sure that the law is understandable and clear and a lot of people are affected by that and so i treat the recognition as something that recognizes all that we're trying to do for all of us. >> you're so modest. an incredible honor that's bestowed on you there at the u.s. supreme court, the highest court of the land. what an incredible honor for all
work that you've done over the years in civil rights and those of human rights and you really are incredible. one thing, you were wearing a tux. i'm sorry, richard, what? >> did avery get up there and sit in one of the chairs? that's all i want to know. >> no! >> i'm living vicariously through the photograph and the moment. >> what a nice thing to say. >> an honor to have you both every single weekend. coming up, we go live to the hangar in the mojave desert where richard branson just spoke. the breaking details straight ahead.
hello again, everyone, i'm fredricka whitfield. here are the top stories we're following in the cnn newsroom. a marine reservist held for months in mexico is free. andrew tahmooressi is free for the first time in seven months. how he's doing. plus in california a spaceship breaks up in the sky, the pieces plummeting to the ground. the new details we