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his leather, you could make enough coats to give one to every poor child in america. >> reporter: this is one person that requires thick but not wrinkled skin. jeanne moos -- >> heifer. >> reporter: -- cnn. >> get some style. >> reporter: new york. >> i love it. anderson starts now. good evening, thanks for joining us. there's a lot going on tonight including a 360 exclusive investigation reveals about yet another charity competing for your sympathy and your dollars. we begin with breaking news out of ferguson, missouri, with a grand jury on the brink of whether to indict officer michael wilson. the governor has activated the national guard. we're just learning that the fbi has issued a bulletin to law enforcement nationwide to be on alert for possible violence when the decision actually comes down down. as if people in the ferguson area aren't divided enough, they're did i justing new
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information about what happened during the brief and hotly contested incident. we'll learn all of it tonight. >> reporter: on a day protesters marched to the st. louis county prosecutor's office building, missouri's governor declared a state of emergency in preparation for whatever may come when the grand jury releases its decision on whether or not to indict officer darren wilson in the killing of unarmed teen michael brown. the st. louis mayor welcomed the decision. >> i agree with the governor's decision. this is why, first of all, we don't know what's going to happen or when it's going to happen or what the decision is going to be or what the reaction is going to be. i think we need to make sure that we are prepared for whatever may happen. >> reporter: but the governor's actions has angered some protesters who say their demonstrations have been peaceful for weeks and his decision is premature. the decision comes after these images of officer darren wilson were released this weekend. the surveillance tapes released
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to the st. louis post dispatch show wilson entering and leaving the police station after the august 9th shooting. though the images aren't crystal clear, wilson does not appear to have any major wounds to his face, as initially reported to a source speaking on behalf of wilson. they said that he had no facial injuries but had slight swelling. also released to the post dispatch, police radio traffic that details the final moments before and after the shooting of brown. they reveal a better timeline, but sources say when wilson initially told brown to get out of the middle of the street, he did not know brown was the suspect in a theft of cigars. but the audio seems to reveal moments later he realized brown and his friend fit the description given by this dispatcher. >> he's with another male, he's got a red cardinals a hat, white t-shirt and khaki shorts.
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>> reporter: wilson is soon after heard saying this and going after brown his and friend. a confrontation then ensues at the car. the autopsy later shows two shots were fired inside the car, then more shots rang out, killing brown. but you would never know that from the police radio traffic released by the department. all you can hear after the shooting is this -- a woman wailing and another officer calling for backup. >> we need several more units over here. there's going to be a problem. >> sara sidner joins us from ferguson. we haven't heard any radio communication saying shots have been fired. >> there's no word on why we're not hearing that. whether or not they gave us the entire tapes or because of the struggle at the car perhaps something happened with the radio. we just don't know the answer to
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that. we do not have an official answer to that. but anderson, i do want to mention something that's just come down from the governor's office. he spoke to reporters s on the phone and says when this grand jury decision does come down, the ferguson police department will not be front and center. they will not be in control here. it will be the st. louis county police department, which has pretty much taken over all the protest duties as well as the missouri highway patrol. >> do we know how many national guard personnel there are going to be and how they're going to be deployed? before when they were called out, they were limited to being around a command post. they weren't out on the streets. they weren't actually all that visible. >> that's a really good question, anderson. basically what we've been hearing from the governor and from the mayor of st. louis, is that the national guard will sort of be in the background. those who will be front and center will be the police departments, three departments, who have all come together in a
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conglomerate to take care of whatever the needs are of the community both here in ferguson and around the st. louis area, that the national guard will sort of be in the background to assist and, if need be, they'll start to come forward, but really, it will be police who are taking the initial steps to try to keep calm here. >> also, sara, do we know have they practiced crowd control at all? because obviously, we all saw the initial -- you know, it was a variety of different law enforcement agencies early on. the previous protests, and there were a number of officers pointing shotguns, rifles at unarmed protester, peaceful protester, and that certainly didn't help matters. >> yeah, they've been roundly criticized for how the they've responded when talking about august 9, 11, and 12. i've been here two months and have seen a marked difference in the way st. louis county police department has treated the
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protests. they've been protesting every single day for more than a hundred days now. definitely a difference. the st. louis county police department has said that, yes, they have made some changes. so have other departments. learn from some of those earlier mistakes that were made that did, in many people's minds, help make the situation worse, not better. >> sara sidner, appreciate the reporting. there's late word about how far officials went at the time to keep images of protesters off the air waves. we've got an access to faa audio tape suggesting that local authority sought those temporary flight restrictions not for public safety but to keep news choppers away. something to talk about with our legal analysts, jeffrey toobin and sunny hostin and attorney gail gear who has worked for decades defending police officers accused of wrongdoing. sunny, the governor activating the national guard, now the fbi
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bulletin. what do you make of all these developments? >> to sara's point, the protests have been going on for more than 100 days. those demonstrations, i like to call them, have been peaceful. there's been a real change in how the st. louis county police department is handling this. governor nixon calling out the national guard seems to me to be an escalation of this military style approach which didn't work in first place. >> you actually think it's a provocation. >> i do. so i'm surprised that he did that. i understand needing to be prepared, but you've got three police departments that are prepared and have, in a sense, gotten to know this community, gotten to know the protester, so why escalate it. a lot of people on twitter and in passing are saying that must mean that he knows there isn't going to be an indictment here. i think there could be something to that. >> when you hear that argument being made, what do you think? >> our thoughts are really for all the people who are concerned about what happened there, and i
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think everyone needs to practice something that's difficult for us today and that is patience. this is a process as we go through the next few days, we'll learn ways in which to deal with each other and to deal with, really, quite a difficult problem, and that is, when these events occurred, we must exercise patience and let the process continue. >> but gayle, specifically, gayle, to those who say the governor coming forward, activating the national guard at this stage, the fbi putting out this bulletin, do you believe it's a wise, practical maneuver at this point? >> well, quite frankly, their job is to make sure the public is protected. they have information that perhaps you and i do not have, and with that information, what they're trying to do, i would assume and expect, that is to protect the public at large and to make sure that those who wish to protest have the ability to
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do so. >> jeff, in terms of the video of officer wilson leaving the police station, i mean, does it make any difference at all? does the fact that to some they look at that video, grainy, as it is, doesn't appear to have a serious injury on the video. does it tell you anything about how the altercation could have gone down. >> you know, it's one piece, but there are so many pieces here and, frankly, there is so much we still don't know. there's so much evidence we have not seen. sure, it is one part of the mosaic, but it's just a small part. i wouldn't draw any conclusions one way or the other about it. >> it is remarkable, for all the discussion about this, when you realize the whole incident took maybe 90 seconds. police officers have an extraordinarily tough job. in 90 seconds for all this to have transpired, whatever you think of this, whoever's side you want to be on, if you want to view it as taking sides, it's a very quick, quick interaction. >> and they usually are. police shootings are usually
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very quick. all shootings are usually pretty quick. it cuts both ways, right? on the winn oone hand people wi this happened so quickly that officer wilson had to go with what he thought at the moment. so of course, if he felt threattoned because of whatever happened at the car, then perhaps his actions were appropriate or justified. on the flip side people will say this is a police officer trained to have to be able to make these snap judgments, to be able to make these quick decisions and we now know that michael brown, it was broad daylight, unarmed with shorts and a t-shirt. that reaction, shooting someone seven times, is that really justifiable? so really i'm going to disagree with jeff. i think the video is important. because when this stuff first came up, we know that officer wilson said that he feared for his life, right, because of this tussle. early reports people were saying that he had a significant injury to his eye. now we're hearing what may be
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not so, how did this end up with someone being shot seven times? >> well, i actually am going to disagree with sunny about something else. i actually think 90 seconds is a pretty long time. look at your watch some time at 90 seconds. we all work in television. we know 90 seconds can take up a lot of time. think how long that is. think how much time you can spend thinking about whether to shoot someone in 90 seconds. that does give officer wilson a considerable amount of time to reflect about what he's doing. so you know, if this had been a 10-second or 5-second incident, which is entirely normal for a police shooting, then maybe you could say it was a snap judgment. i actually think 90 seconds is a lot of time. >> we don't know how long the alleged tussle at the vehicle and witnesses said there was some sort of tussle at the vehicle. we don't know how long that went on, how much time that ate up. we don't know the breakdown of
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exactly if you break this down into elements of the initial interaction, the words that were exchanged, the tussle at the vehicle and then the -- you know, the walking away or running away, whatever exactly happened that ended up with michael brown being killed. >> right. but the core of officer wilson's claim is that michael brown rushed at him and he had to shoot because this big guy was coming at him. actually, 90 seconds gives you a considerable amount of time to reflect on a situation. so i actually think the fact that it's 90 seconds hurts officer wilson's case rather than helps him. >> gayle, what do you think? >> well, i think just listening to the exchange, we can quickly see why people get confused in trying to make a judgment on this. we do not know enough. and here we have people speculating that were not walking in the shoes of either
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michael brown or officer wilson. and so here we have people, without information, speculating on what was going through the mind of either of these people particularly in this case michael brown -- officer wilson as he had to make that split second decision. and i think because we don't have that and because we live in the world really of twitter and facebook and everything has to come to conclusion quickly, we want either the right or the wrong side. so i'm not in disagreement -- i'm not in agreement with anyone making a snap decision. i'm going to go back to this. we have some mighty good coaches across the country. we have particularly one good coach in alabama that says, process, be patient. i would ask those who protests and express their views, those who come to a snap judgment and speculate, i would ask them to respect the process. we have a grand jury, a process. if it should go with an indictment. >> that's been three months. that's a pretty long process.
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that's a lot of time. >> jeff, final thought. >> we've been pretty patient. >> yeah, i mean, yes, there's a process, but if there's no indictment, the process is over. and then it is entirely appropriate to make judgments about whether that was a good process or not. so yes, process is good, but when they're over, it's appropriate to evaluate. >> you must respect a grand jury. that's our government. >> gayle gear, jeff toobin and sunny hostin as well. >> another country does it differently. >> thank you. >> up next, the growing number of sex abuse allegations against bill cosby, more women now speaking out. details on that. later, would you write a check to save an abused, abandoned child. most people would say yes. this school raised mls of dollars from people who did just that, but there's one problem. the school's abused, abandoned fund-raising poster child, he does not exist. that's not all we discovered. we're keeping them honest.
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tonight bill cosby is maintaining his silence even after more women are speaking out about his sexually assaulting them. he's not been charged with any crime. we want to make that clear. the 77-year-old actor and comedian has built his career on wholesome image, getting laughs and jokes, the huxtable clan on the coz bsby show. >> daddy, he's coming to pick me up in five minutes. >> maybe best known for that sitcom, but he's been prolific,
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writing, books, doing stand-ups, he's received emmys and the presidential medal of freedom. his public image is once again under attack. gary tuchman reports. >> reporter: the details of what bill cosby allegedly did to numerous women are graphic and disturbing. barbara bowman alleges she was raped by cosby when she was a teenaged actress. >> it was a very controlling and man ip lattive environment. it was very controlled, very isolated, and there were twisted things. >> reporter: she said nobody believed her a quarter century ago when cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her on a number of occasions. >> he was dr. huxtable. he was america's dad. everybody loved him. i loved him. nobody would believe me. i was so broken down and had gone through so much of having this -- my mind completely manipulated.
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>> reporter: another woman who spoke years ago has now written an essay. i was sickened by what was happening to me and shocked that this man i idolized was now raping me. of course i told no one. bowman and tarshis are one of 13 women who have come forward with similar allegations since 2004, when a woman who worked for temple university accused cosby of drugging and fondling her. she settled out of court in 2006 but not before another woman, tamara green came forward with similar allegations. she spoke on the "today" show in 2005. >> i told him that he would have to kill me, that if he didn't kill me and he tried to rape me, it would go badly. i'm furious and throwing things around. so he -- i guess it was inconvenient at that point. i had not been crushed successfully into submission. >> reporter: bill cosby has never been charged. his attorneys have always denied the allegations. the latest statement reading,
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over the last several weeks decade-old discredited allegations against mr. cosby have resurfaced. the fact that they are being repeated does not make them true. this weekend cosby and his wife were on npr being interviewed about her decision to donate some of their art to the smithsonian. >> this question gives me no pleasure, mr. cosby, but there have been serious allegations raised about you in recent days. you're shaking your head no. i'm in the news business. i have to ask the question. do you have any response to those charges? shaking your head no. there are people who love you who might like to hear from you about this. i wanted to give you the chance. all right. >> reporter: nbc, which was the home of the cosby show has been developing a new sitcom with him. despite calls to pull the project, is network is not yet
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saying what it plans to do with the show, which nbc has hoped would be as squeuccessful as th last cosby show. >> i want to bring in our legal analy analyst, mark geragos and sunny hostin who has prosecuted a good number of sex crimes. mark, as i said, you defend a lot of high-profile people. what do you make of all this? >> the probably most disturbing thing i think has to be the numbers. when you have a similar story told by a number of people, that's what makes it incredibly resonates and why there's so much attention focused to it. having been on both sides of this, we say there's a presumption of innocence, but i will say when you hear these stories and you hear people talk about being drugged and things the of ha nature, it's very disturbing. >> the silence, mark, or the nonresponse. if you're an attorney
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representing someone who is accused of that, is that the best defense in a situation like this? >> no. >> because if you say something, you're adding fuel to it, no? >> well, yes. one of the things thatty always laugh about when you have crisis managers is you always say you got to get out there, you got to get out there. sometimes silence is important or the best way to approach something. but understand in this case they had to walk back also the statement and specifically say that the woman that he had settled with over the weekend, he was not implying anything and the statement was released did not imply anything. he may be locked up in a settlement agreement whereby that's the reason that provoked the walking back of one of his statements today. and that is troubling also, i think, because if you are innocent, why are you entering into one of these agreements that has you not being able to
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say anything or denigrate anybody? >> sunny, as we said, no charges were ever filed. >> sure. >> he hasn't been convicted of anything. >> yes. >> could a criminal case be revisited? is there a statute of limitation. >> i don't think so. i think the statute of limitations has run on all of this. i don't think these women can bring civil charges, but i think that's what gives the story so much credibility. we're talking about four women that we know of that have come forward with really nothing to gain. we know about barbara bowman, joan tarshis, andrea constant who settled the case with him and tamara green. in all, 13 women. those numbers, as mark said, are really, really striking. and again, what do they have to gain, anderson, except for people attacking them which is what we've heard overwhelmingly. >> look, you're a former federal prosecutor, you know people -- again, i'm not taking a position on this. but you know people with the
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celebrity come forward and say all sorts of things. >> i agree. i think there's always that celebrity piece. and a lot of people don't believe that someone as beloved as bill cosby could do something like this, but 13 women who don't know each other are all saying pretty much the same thing. i was drugged, i was raped, i woke up and i can't believe this happened to me and no one believed me. i've got to tell you, as a prosecutor, that's the kind of case that you do take because it's almost the sandusky syndrome. one person may make up a story, two people, hmm, but the numbers, the more accusations, the more likely the charges are accurate. >> mark, do you think that's true? >> well, there is something to it. i've been on both sides of this. some of those women in their descriptions is hauntingly familiar of what kesh sha says happened in the lawsuit against dr. luke, another self-styled doctor who is not really an m.d.
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when you see this, and i've defended cases where federal prosecutors have put people on that have given that almost identical story where they've said i was given a drug, i woke up in the morning, i was naked and i hurt, and it's a disturbing and i think in some ways it resonates. there is something to it. >> they're very brave to come forward with nothing, nothing to gain. >> sunny, appreciate it. mark geragos as well. one of bill kodzby's accusers joan tarshis, she'll talk to don lemon tonight on cnn at 10:00 p.m. eastern. you can find out more on this story and others at we're on for two hours tonight. ahead a sierra leone surgeon died after flying to nebraska for treatment. the hospital could not save him. we'll take a look at his case. should he have been flown to the united states? also tonight found-raising letters that aren't completely honest. a school admitting it wrote
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dr. martin salia, a surgeon who contracted ebola in sear air ra lee own was being treated in nebraska. he died early this morning. >> despite the amazing care of our nurses and respiratory therapists, he progressed to the point of cardiac arrest and we weren't able to get him through this. >> dr. salia's condition was extremely critical according to his doctors when he arrived late saturday afternoon. his kidneys had shut down, he was unresponsive and needed a ventilator to breathe. he was given two experimental therapies including the drug zmapp. dr. salia and thomas duncan are the only ebola patients who have died in the united states. our chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta joins me now. by the time dr. salia arrived in nebraska, he was already critically ill. was he too sick for the
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treatments and the supportive care o work? >> there have been a couple of important lessons to that question and that is even when people are quite sick doing more aggressive measures such as doing dialysis, putting someone on a breathing machine, they've had success with that, for example at emory, they've talked about being aggressive. the idea what was he too sick to actually get this treatment? i don't think so. that's part of the reason i think he was coming here. we also know that he was able to essentially walk on the plane when he was leaving west africa. so if he had a significant decline over a short period of time, you'd still want to try everything you could to try and save him. >> the dose he received of zmapp, i thought the supply had been exhausted or when you and i were in dallas covering the situation more than a month ago, the government said it had been exhausted. has it been replenished? >> no, it doesn't sound like it's been replenished. the confusion is that there were
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doses given out to a few hospitals prior. so this wasn't anything recent, but this sounds like a dose that was sitting in a hospital that had not yet been used and was sent to nebraska at the request of the physicians over there. so it wasn't any new dose that had been manufactured, just one that hadn't been used yet. >> do we know if it was sent from africa or was it a dose elsewhere in the united states? >> what it sounds like it was a dose sitting here in a hospital in the united states and then sent to nebraska at their request. we've called the company, talked to the company, they, again, re-emphasized they haven't replenished the supply, so to speak, but that is what they think most likely happened. >> it's also confusing because there's reports that the first tests for ebola with the doctor came back negative. >> this is confusing as well. we tried to really drill down and figure out what likely happened there. it's possible the test did not accurately diagnose him. but the other thing that comes up often, anderson is the way the test works is you're
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basically trying to find the virus in the blood stream. if someone doesn't have enough virus in their blood stream, the likelihood of the test coming back positive goes down significantly. if we talk about you become sick as the virus increases in your blood and the bodily fluids. so when someone is sick, if they get a test, it should come back positive. what we don't know is was he sick, was he just concerned, what sort of state was he in when he had that first test performed. >> thank you, dr. sanjay gupta. next, a private school that's raking in tense of millions, money it raises with stories of students that some call deeply offensive. how can power consumption in china, of millions, money it raises with stories of students that some call deeply offensive. and the use of medical technology in the u.s.? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy.
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keeping them honest tonight, new questionable fund-raising, this time from a private school seeking your hard-earned money. there's a pretty good chance you've seen their pleas for money land at your doorstep in one of their mailers. they send out a ton of mailers, like this, like this one. they send out millions of these. ever since we started reporting on charities seeking donations we've been hearing about this
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charity called st. joseph indian school in south dakota, particularly because the children who go there sound so sad, beaten by their fathers, thrown out by their mother, young native americans who are saved on the brink through this small school. all told by poignant letters seeking your help for the school. letters like this one. this is st. joseph's, it's a real boarding school affiliated with the catholic church. it sits on the banks of the river in chamberlain, south dakota. it looks pretty nice. it ought to. last year donors sent this school $51 million. turns out the school sends out 30 million mailings every single year and it's collected a fortune using these stories about the native american kids who go there. senior investigative correspondent drew griffin and senior investigator david fitzpatrick traveled to track down the truth behind those stories. kind of a shocker. >> reporter: the pleas for help from st. joseph indian school, 30 million pieces of mail a
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year, arrive with dream catchers, note pads, return address labels, but at the heart are the very personal letters testimonials written by native american children who need your help like other kids here, josh writes, in what seems to be a child's handwriting, my home on the reservation isn't a safe place for me to be. my dad sometimes drinks and hits me. my mom didn't want me any more. she chose drugs over me. josh, pictured here, thanks the would-be donor for keeping him and others safe so we don't have to live like this any more. it's a letter designed to tug at your heartstrings, to get you to open up your pocketbook and send a check to this school. the problem is it's also not entirely true. josh littlebear is not a real person. that picture you see in the corner, that's not josh littlebear. the school admits they do push the edge on their marketing,
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enough to take in $51 million last year. in a letter to cnn, the school's marketing director admitted there is no josh littlebear. he's fictitious. but the school insists josh's letter is a true story of the very real and challenging situations that far too many children face. yet, what the better business bureau calls misleading pleas continue. just this month the school's christmas packet is arriving. complete with the touching story of an 8-year-old native american girl named emily high elk. yes, the school concedes, she's not a real girl either. the president of the school agreed to meet us in the lobby of the school's museum. obviously you're running a pretty nice place here. and the basic question that we have is why -- why do you go through these 30 million mailings a year, why do you have these sob stories?
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there was a pause. mike terrell wiped his shoes, then the communications director jonah ohm told us this. >> just to be clear, you don't have permission to record us in any way, shape or form. >> reporter: after asking us to turn off our camera, we were given a tour of the campus, school officials promised to meet us the next day, but the next day on advice from an attorney the school declined any further comment. 30 minutes north of st. joseph's indian school is a real indian reservation. leonard pease is the tribal vice chairman of the crow creek sioux. he's among many here angry at how st. joe's, a school run by non-indians, is making a fortune off of racial stereotypes with lines like my dad sometimes drinks and hits me, and my mom chose drugs over me. what do you think about that? >> i think it's all bs. >> reporter: it's all bs? >> first of all, i don't know
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who josh little bear is and there ain't no josh little bears around here. and i knew this was going on for a long time. that's how they get their money. and to me, they make the indians look bad. >> reporter: 23-year-old joel bishop is the youngest member of the crow creek tribal council. >> they brought in $51 million last year. well, i'm sure maybe a lot of that money is being used for native american kids, but they need to tell the right story and, i don't know, making up names and using these kind of stereotypes on children, you know, that's just -- i don't know, blows my mind. >> reporter: the fact is the money is being used for the right reasons. at least as far as cnn was allowed to see. 200 native american children are going to this boarding school.
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they seem happy, well fed and housed, but in the long run, actual native americans question if the school's fake pleas built on stereotypes are actually helping native americans are making them look like pathetic charity cases. michael roberts, who runs a multi-tribal foundation called first nation, has a name for misleading pleas like this -- poverty porn. >> to treat them as less than people, as the savages they portray them i think is a dangerous thing. and notner nice. >> reporter: though many have complained to cnn about these mailings and fictitious pleas for help, they appear to work. st. joseph's indian school continues to rake in a small fortune in donations. so the school actually sent out a mailer saying kids could possibly freeze because of heating bills. is that true, could the school not pay its heating bills? >> that plea which was pointed out by the better business bureau asked for this urgent
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assistance to keep our lakota students warm. it came the same year the school will $50 million in unrestricted assets. last year in school brought in $51 million paid its fund-raising about half that and still had assets of $122 million. this is a real money maker. >> half the money being donated goes to a fund-raiser. why do they need to stretch the truth, though? that's the big question. the president told us off camera that it was a good question we were asking, admitting they're pushing the edge on their pleas, but this is why they do it. they do it because gullible donors who don't check out the charity watch dog ratings give money and give lots of it. we've been hearing about st. joe's for year, anderson. we finally went out there to check it out. you know, people still give money. they get these fake made in china dream catchers, and they
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think they're helping kids. >> if a charity was legitimate, they'd want coverage, they'd want to bring cameras in and show you their good works. and why talk to you on camera. it raises my suspicion when suddenly they're like oh, no cameras, get out of here. we don't want to talk to you. next only on 360, remember peter kassig, the iraq war veteran murdered by isis. he could have washed his hands of the people in the middle east but he returned instead to bind up their wounds. financial noise financial noise financial noise
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tonight remembering a remarkable young man who saw the very best in a tough part of the world and sadly fell victim to the worst in it. peter kassig went to the middle east as a ranger, he returned as an aid worker to heal, to provide medical services to those in syria. he was taken from the ambulance that he himself was driving and fell into the hands of isis. at one point his cellmates reportedly including steven sotloff and james foley and the british aid workers david haynes and alan henning who were all beheaded one by one starting in august. the atrocities caught on video
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and sent around the world. another video surfaced and it was peter's. president obama calling the act evil. the family converted to islam while he was in captivity. they talked about his mission in life. >> greater love hath no man than this than to lay down his life for another. a while ago we were informed that our beloved son abdel rahman, no longer walks this earth. our healths, though heavy, are filled up with the love and support that have poured into our lives the last few days. >> our hearts are battered, but they will mend. the world is broken, but it will be healed in the end. and good will prevail as the one god of many names will prevail. >> there are obviously many complexities surrounding a strong, simple notion. there are clues in the gruesome
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video, signs of more western faces among the murderers and questions about how to respond. a columnist for "the new york times" today likening it to a never ending whack-a-mole horror show. we're focusing on who peter kassig was with what he told arwa damon at a hospital in lebanon two years ago. >> we each get one life, and that's it. you get one shot at this. we don't get any do-overs. like for me it was time to put up or shut up. the way i saw it, i didn't have a choice. you know, this is what i was put here to do. i guess i'm just a hopeless romantic and i'm an idealist and i believe in hopeless causes. we have to think about the reasons why as a country we choose to help certain people or not others. we have to think about why we just chop the middle east up to this like complex enigma that we'll just never understand because they're so different from us. but at the end of the day,
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they're really not. >> not so different, for better and sadly for worse. she was a friend of peter's and for first seven years of her life, her father terry anderson was held hostage by shia militants. what do you want people to know about peter. what kind of guy was he? >> he wasn't like anyone i've ever known. i mean, he did things that he had no reason to do. because he felt like he should do them. >> you met him two years ago. how did you meet? >> we met through a mutual friend of ours. it was sort of a chance encounter. we just sat around, you know, talking and discussing our work, but i think the thing about pete is he just had this enormous energy and it just captivated you immediately. >> what do you think it was that drove him to go to the places he went to? as you said, he didn't have to.
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he wasn't from there, he wasn't born there, he was putting himself in harm's way for people in many cases he didn't know. >> i think part of it was that he had served in iraq. i think there was a large part of him that was critical of u.s. policy in the middle east. and he felt as though he needed to -- i wouldn't say make up for it, but he needed to contribute something positive to the region. he felt deeply that one person could make a difference. and he felt it was his responsibility to try and alleviate the suffering of the people in syria. >> you also refer to him by his muslim name. >> yeah. >> explain that. why? >> when i wrote about him, i did use abdel-rahman, because at the time, we learned that he had converted. i know that pete always felt an incredible connection to that region and to the islamic faith.
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and it just felt like the right thing to do, but when i talk about him in our conversation, i use pete because he'll always be pete to me. >> is there one particular memory you're going to kind of always hold on to or is there one particular moment you instantly think of when you think of him? >> just one night we were driving around beirut and talking about life and his family and, you know, his childhood and his work always, he always talked about his work, and it was just this moment where i was alone with him in a way, which we're usually surrounded by the rest of our friends. and this was just some time that i had just with him. and it was -- it's always going to be really special to me. >> the injustice of how his life ended compared to how he lived his life and all the things he did in his life and to have it end, you know like this is just -- it's just horrific.
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i mean, it's just awful. is there anything else you want people to know about him? >> i just want people to know that he's -- he was a whole person. he wasn't just, you know, one aspect of a person. he was funny, he was complicated, he was troubled, he was heroic and brave and all these things at once. and i just want people to remember him as a person and not this image that we've seen of him on the television. >> you want people to remember how he lived his life, not how it ended. >> i wish i could share my knowledge of him, the time i've had with him, i wish everybody could have experienced that time with him because he's somebody that i will never forget, and he's somebody who changed my life. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> ahead in the next live hour of 360, breaking news, missouri's governor declaring a state of emergency ahead of the
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good evening. thanks for joining us on this special edition of 360. we again with ferguson,
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missouri, as you may already know today month's governor jay nixon activated the national guard. late tonight we learned that the fbi has issued a nationwide bulletin to law enforcement warning of possible violence when the decision finally comes down. sara sidner exclusively reports there's even more to preparations than just that. >> the governor isn't the only one preparing for violence in ferguson, missouri. cnn has obtained video of dozens of homeland security vehicles which showed up last week parked 30 minutes away from ferguson in a hotel parking lot. this man discovered them when he left his hotel. >> i learned there were homeland security vehicles there. >> reporter: is that unusual? >> very unusual. it was a surprise to me. i took a short video and a picture of the vehicles. didn't give any location out. >> reporter: he took this picture of them. >> and then posted it online with the status, why are all these vehicles here? wonder if it had anything to do
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with ferguson, # ferguson, # no justice no peace. >> reporter: days later he was fired. >> the head of security was there and he pretty much called me a terrorist and saying that i dishonorably served my country for posts those pictures on i had facebook. >> reporter: he's devastated. turns the out he's a navy veteran who served for three years and showed us the paperwork where he was honorably discharged allowed to re-enlist whenever he likes. we asked the hotels what happened and they sent us this statement. it says, we do not publicly discuss confidential personnel matters. the safety and privacy of our guests and our team members has always been and will remain our top priority. a law enforcement source told cnn the department of homeland security does have additional resources in place to protect federal buildings, but also because the world's attention is on ferguson, which could attract attackers looking to make a
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statement. pathrath was also born and raised in ferguson, a place where daily protests have now gone on for more than a hundred days, including in clayton, site of the prosecutor's office and where a grand jury will make its decision on whether or not to indict officer wilson. >> sara sidner joins us from ferguson. the state of emergency the governor's declared, has there been any reaction to that on the ground? >> reporter: absolutely there's been reaction. immediate almost reaction. from those who have been protesting for more than a hundred days and have stayed mostly peaceful out here but still, you know, loud and excited saying that this announcement basically makes it seem as if they've been violent all along, they're planning to be violent in the future. they're very frustrated with this decision. however, the mayor, for example, of st. louis and some of the residents and business owners say it's good that there's actual preparation that does take time to get the national guard in place and then so they're not upset about it.
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they're saying, look, you have to prepare for whatever happens. not everyone thinks this is going to explode in violence. there are plenty of people here on the ground who are protesters saying we have been policing ourselves and if someone decides to be violent, we're going to try to keep them from destroying our communities. >> sara sidner appreciate the updates. now the guard activation and all the rest of the preparation joining us is the author of "leadership and the new normal." this morning the fbi, is it prudent to prepare for the worst? >> well, that would be the normal answer, anderson. i think it's unusual that the fbi would issue such a pointed warning to police but at the same time give nothing to the public and make no public statement to the people of this country and give a warning that affects the entire nation without narrowing it in on
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missouri and may being towns, they gave an at-large warning to police officers to be prepared with specific warnings about water treatment plants, about cyber attack. i think that's a question you need to toss back to the fbi on when are they going to talk to the public about this? and this massive buildup of federal law enforcement, when is the government going to come out and tell the people what's going on? worse than that, when are they going to tell the people the announcement's going to be made? from the beginning, the people have tried to get information and protested to get information. looks to me that they could pick a date and time that the announcement will be made to end some of the speculation of what's going to happen. >> in terms of calling in the national guard, activating the national guard, i spoke to our legal analyst sunny hostin in the last hour, she thinks it's almost a provocation, that it
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could do more harm than good? >> if you're a poor person in ferguson who -- a disadvantaged person that speculate on what's going to -- this trial has already been decided and you have doubt in your mind and somebody tells you that they mobilize the national guard, that's quite possible. but i think how they described that to people na the national guard is there to protect people and property, it's not there necessarily to focus on a handful of protesters that might get out of control, they're equally to take care and protect the people. that is a concern that i have that the governor continue to leave it to the media. people like you, to describe to the people, the citizens what's happening. >> we're learning also the ferguson police department, they're not in the primary position of enforcement in the wake of the announcement, that possibility is going to fall to the st. louis police department.
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y do you think that's a wise decision given all they've come under in the early days after the shooting? >> i do think that that's probably wise, but i mean, i speak from that as an observer on that, but i also speak from the position that if something's going to happen, that it's probably going to be focused on st. louis, not just on ferguson because the seat of the power of that county surrounds st. louis, not in ferguson. and na tthat the level of preparedness in ferguson is well understood but more than likely the protesters will focus on st. louis. >> do you think authorities there are better prepared to deal with protests? i mean, as we said, these protests for the last hundred days have been by and large incredibly peaceful. people just expressing their anger, their outrage, their point of view, what we saw early on was various police forces not
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used to dealing with crowd control, pointing rifles at unarmed people, firing tear gas. do you think they've learned lessons? >> oh, i do think they've learned some lessons in making sure they don't have an overshow of force. but i do think they're still lacking in communicating with the people. in the announcement about the governor that he's using his emergency powers in a state of emergency and calling up the national guard without some detail talking to his people and making sure his people understand, having town hall meetings. >> right. >> and communicating with them is a little strange. it's almost like mobilized the national guard, now come out if you want to. >> quick reminder, make sure you set your dvr so you can watch 360 whenever you want. coming up next remembering peter kassig. his parents, a close friend talk about the difference that he made in his life and the legacy that he leaves behind and all those he helped in syria and
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killing of pete are kassig. the possibility that more western recruits were among the
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murderers. we begin by focusing squarely on the remarkable life that was taken. peter went to the middle east as an army ranger to fight initially. he returned as an aid worker to heal, prying medical assistance to the victims of the civil war in syria. 13 months ago, at a syrian checkpoint he was taken from the ambulance he was driving and fell into the hands of isis. at one point his cellmates reportedly included james foley, steven sotloff as well as david haynes and alan hemming who were also beheaded one by one starting in august, the atrocities captured on video and sent around the world. we're obviously not showing you those videos. his parents spoke about the death of their son who converted to islam while in captivity and his mission in life. >> greater love hath no man than this. than to lay down his life for another. a while ago we were informed that our beloved son abdel rahman, no longer walks this
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earth. our hearts, though heavy, are held up by the love and support that has poured into our lives the last few days. >> our hearts are battered, but they will mend. the world is broken, but it will be healed in the end. and good will prevail as the one god of many names will prevail. >> that's quite a sentiment from two people as deeply wounded as they must be right now with their son's mur. one american captive remains in isis' hands. u.s. officials don't want her name made public fearing it could put her in greater jeopardy. the obamaed a trags is rethinking how it handles hostage taking. shane harris joins us now, the author of "at war:the military internet complex." >> we know that it began in the
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summer in the wake of some of the first beheading videos it appears and that president obama personally ordered this and directed all the various components of the government that have a stake in hostage negotiation, the fbi, the intelligence community. it's being described as a comprehensive review looking at all the ways this process is working and, frankly, many in ways people say is not working right now and to essentially get everyone on the same page and to think innovatively and in nontraditional ways in the way one pentagon official put it. that's a pretty broad characterization that could mean rethinking our diplomat can strategy, rethinking how they reach out through third party, but basically a top to bottom review of how this is done right now with an eye towards getting these americans home as quickly as possible. >> was there one particular moment that prompted this review, do we know? >> it's not clear. the white house told me tonight that the review was ordered by the president this summer and the first beheading videos
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happened in august and the video of james foley was actually quite shocking and the president was on vacation at the time and addressed that. it sounds like it was the first one or two of these videos prompted this review and there was pressure building on the hill to mount a more comprehensive strategy around that as well. >> i appreciate the report. i want to bring in investigative reporter david rhode who survived captivity before managing to escape. and a navy s.e.a.l. you've been raising this flag for a long time now. we've talked about it a lot. saying there needs to be a conversation about u.s. policy when it come to hostages. what do you make of this idea that there's a review going on? >> the review is a good first step and the problem in the u.s. is how these families, particularly this round in syria, were communicated with by government officials. one family, the foleys were told
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if they did try to pay a ransom for their son's relief, they might be charged with a crime. they really need to clear up that confusion as a first step. >> do you think there is an issue about how families are dealt with? i interviewed james foley's mom. i was surprised by how little interaction they had. >> well, the reality is the government doesn't ever really communicate much with the families. in large part the fear that something would be released by an interview or something else. we dealt with this in iraq on numerous occasions. and for the most part, i didn't have a lot of direct contact directly with the families. i met a lot of these families after the fact. their complaint was the same the foleys had, they were fed very little information. what they were fed scared them
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from doing things because they were told the u.s. government is doing everything to bring their son, daughter or loved one home. and that wouldn't necessarily have been the case. >> obviously there's a big difference between how the united states at least publicly how many european governments deal with their citizens being taken hostage. their willingness to pay for it. does it seem to you that there's any movement on that, either the u.s. beginning to pay or the europeans rethinking their payment policy? >> that's the big question here. because it's two separate issues. we've talked about it. can the treatment of the families be better month after month, and i think that can improve. but is the u.s. government going to start paying ransoms? i don't know. shane can comment on that if that's part of this review, that would be an enormous change in american policy. that's the only change that will result maybe in hostages being freed because the sad trut is that for the mass majority of these cases is only way they end
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is when ransoms are paid. european governments are paying multimillion dollar ransoms, the u.s. is not, that's why we have americans dying. >> what is your reporting showing on that? any rethinking on that. the defense against paying is it causes more hostages to be taken for these groups to earn more money. or any evidence that the u.s. has had success in trying to convince european nations to rethink their policies. >> there's no evidence that there's been any success in that. the review very pointedly does not mention anything about ransoms. it leaves very open what it says are innovative and nontraditional means. if somebody wants to read ransom into that leaves an open question. it will look at engagement with the families. the families also complained that many of the leads they were sharing with the white house that they generated from some op their own investigations weren't followed up on. interesting when we're talking about how the families were treated in the last several months, that the white house is responding to that and seems to
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have taken that to hart and now wants to look particularly at how these various agencies interact with them. but ransom is going to be a very tricky and delicate issue. i don't think you'll see that addressed at least publicly. >> you feel that it cannot get into paying ransoms. >> absolutely not. and the sad fact or the reality is, i mean, david rohde case in point, a unique situation that he was held by a very hard core group that did release him. they were a mafia organization and they were in the business. but most of the groups and the groups that grabbed, you know, james foley, sotloff and the ones we dealt with in iraq, the hard core groups, their goals a stated. they want an american and they want to behead that american on tv. the reality is, i don't care what amount of ransom you raise, foley's family was confronted with a $120 million ransom. nobody can come up with that kind of money without a kidnap
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insurance policy. ransoms aside, some of the groups they want that image. the image they keep sending with the propaganda videos. no amount of ransom is going to do anything otherwise to bring those people back grabbed by a group like isis or isil. >> thank you. for more on the story and others check out just ahead i'll talk to former nfl defensive end marcellus wily who says that nfl trainers and doctors pumped him full of powerful pain killers to keep him playing and didn't tell him about the dangers. alright, so this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours but aleve can last 12 hours. and aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. so why am i still thinking about this? how are ya? good. aleve. proven better on pain.
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welcome back. today the nfl is feeling new heat from the government. they questioned their medical and training staffs. these so-called spot checks were apparently part of an ongoing investigation sparked by a class action suit on the abuse of pain killers in the league. the agents did not make any arrests. in a statement the nfl said our teams cooperated with the dea today. cnn's rachel nicholas joins me
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now with the latest. what more do we know about these kind of surprise checks? >> five different teams were questioned by the dea. as you said, no arrests were made but they did pretty thorough checks. gym bags, travel bags, they interviewed teams' medical staffs. it seems to be part of information gathering process that has lasted a few months and will last a few months into the future. they don't do this and then the next day drop it. these are serious charges that were levied in the lawsuit that you mention. they want to look into what laws were broken. >> how much do we know about the class action suit? >> filed on behalf of more than a thousand players. they're alleging all kinds of laws and violations happened. they say they were prescribed drugs that they shouldn't have been prescribed. that they weren't told if they were addictive or not, that's all against the law. the drugs were cocktails meaning they were mixed in ways they shouldn't have been mixed. that they were often handed beer to wash them down with, which is
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something that should not happen. there are scenes described of when you got on a plane and there's a pillow an blanket left on their chair, they would describe little packets of serious prescription drugs, percocet, were left on their seats to take with them on their way. one of the things the dea looked at were visiting teams. all the teams questioned were teams that were not at home. allegations that physicians were handing these drugs out on the road. that's another no-no. physicians can only prescribe them in their home state. if they travel to another city, if their player needs a high level prescription pain killer, they're to go to the home team doctors and say can you examine our player. visit pg teams don't want the home team to examine their player and know what their weaknesses might be. so the laws getting broken there, the dea doesn't care that you don't want the competitive disadvantage -- >> and the nfl is asking authorities to dismiss the lawsuit. >> but they're not asking it to
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be dismissed on the merits. they're not saying none of this happened. they're saying the league isn't responsible. you should be having your beef with the teams themselves. and by the way, it shouldn't be within a lawsuit. this is part of the collective bargaining agreement. you show have your discrepancies with the owners but you shouldn't even be suing them. >> do we know what's next in this investigation or is that best left unsaid, i suppose? >> we've been hearing that they've been interviewing team physicians away from the facilities, so that's going to be a question have they been talking to former physicians who used to work with teams who will be more free throwing with their information or there will be more surprise visits. teams are certainly concerned. maybe this will curb team practices themselves. that's something the dea would like to see happen. >> fascinating stuff, big news. marcellus wily is one of the players involved in the class action suit we've been talking about. a former all-pro defensive end. he joins me with his attorney, steven silverman.
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so marcellus, what do you make of these surprise inspections by the dea that took place yesterday. >> they're doing their due diligence. certainly these are not manufactured stories from us. i'm looking forward to what their discovery was of the nfl's practices right now but also understanding that the nfl has taken steps because of this investigation to clean up some of the ills of the days i played. >> walk us through your own personal experience of being given drugs to keep you on the field, to keep you playing. >> there are myriad scenarios. imagine you're playing in the game and you have an acute injury. that game you sprain your ankle. you're on the road. you tell the team doctor and trainer, hey, i got a sprained ankle. i know it's going to flare up on the plane 30,000 feet up, they'll give you some pain medication, anti-inflammatories to deal with that, tip ically through an envelope without your
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name on it, whatever it may be. >> what would they give you? >> typically i would get hydrocodone, i would get vioxx, which is now banned, it causes heart attacks and strokes. the cocktail is basically prescribed off of what your issues and injuries were. if it general soreness, aleve, vioxx, if it was more, vicodin, co-doan, oxycodone, whatever it may be. >> you are saying they wanted to get you out on the field that game and figure out next game what it took to get you out on the field. >> well, yeah, they use the motivation thatty with all had. we were all common in that respect of wanting to be on the field. as a player, i wanted to be on the field. that's how i supported myself. that's how i helped my team. as a medical staff employee, they wanted us on the staff as well. the difb i'd was the fact they
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weren't giving us informed consent, whether ethically, legally or what were the long-term ills of this medication. >> if you had known there would be long-term ramifications? would you have still taken it? there's a lot of folks who say, look, guys who worked their whole lives to get into the game would do whatever it takes to stay in that game as long as they can. would you have continued to take whatever they gave? >> i think a lot of people who say that are coming from a place of insecurity not believing in themselves and understanding the athlete's ego. if you would have told me that i had to take something and it would shorten my career, shorten my life, i wouldn't take that because i knew there was another course of action. i believed enough in my talent, i knew i had other opportunities. i would wait until i naturally heal or didn't take something that had long-term negative effects. that wasn't the option that was presented. they told you these things are fine. you trust in a doctor who is your team doctor. think about itp about you trust
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in a doctor who went to medical school. the last thing you're thinking is they're going to undermine that and give you something that's harmful for you. as a professional no one's going to sign up for something that had hurt them long-term just so they can have the short-term fix. >> since taking these you have what kind of health issues. >> in april, i had renal failure, so my kidneys shut down. that was something that left my doctors scratching their heads because going through my evaluation process post retirement everything was fine. and the only thing that they can really point to with certainly and uncertainty was the fact of me taking so much medications throughout the years as an nfl football player that made them say, i think if we're going to find a problem area in your life that caused this, it's going to be those playing years. >> steve, you're the main lawyer in this class action lawsuit.
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how widespread is this problem? and i mean, how long does it go on for, how far back? >> we've interviewed over 1300 former nfl players and they're all telling us the vam thing that marcellus is telling us. controlled, dangerous substances and prescription medications were handed out to them with absolute disclaimer, no discussion of the warnings, the cocktail effects of these drugs and all of them are suffering long-term effects as a result of this coupled with the fact that there are really no medical records of what medications these players were given. so doctors are having to -- there were no records kept for the vast majority of our clients. >> marcellus, i appreciate you being on and steve silverman as well. thank you very much. we'll continue to follow it. seaworld under fire.
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the theme park's profits are way down and in say it's about the animals in their care. how they're caught. this is highly controversial. a former whale catcher shares his video. he's left the business, but will he return for the chance to make millions? can't wait to get the next big thing?
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dropped at seaworld. third quarter earnings fell 28% from a year ago. they had half a million fewer park visitors all during what was supposed to be the busy summer months. ceo, seaworld ceos is confident they're addressing the company's challenges. they're building larger tanks for killer whales, the first to open in san diego in the coming years. the film "black fish" raised questions of alleged animal abuse at its parks. seaworld denies the allegations. you'll see how they get their
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whales. a former whale hunter sharing his video. >> reporter: it's the unmistakable sound of fear coming from one of the world's largest predators. a young killer whale effectively screaming just hours after being captured from the wild. so traumatized and disoriented, the animal can't even swim after its journey from the ocean to this small pool. this rare, never seen before video of killer whales captured near iceland in the 1980s is being shared for the first time with cnn by jeff foster, a man who masterminded the capture of many killer whales. how many years were you actually capturing killer whales? >> for me, it was from 1972 to 1990. >> reporter: that's a long career. >> yeah. >> reporter: and how many of the killer whales do you think you captured in that time?
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>> a couple dozen probably, 12. >> reporter: a couple dozen, with all of them going to marine parks like seaworld. are killer whales big business? >> oh, absolutely, yeah. killer whale is the most expensive animal in the world outside of a race horse. they're worth millions of dollars. the people like to see these animals in captivity, there's a huge demand for that. >> reporter: foster start z his career as a teenager here in seattle which was the birthplace of the captive killer whale industry. a ban on capturing orcas in washington state along with the dwroeing public outcry in the u.s. against the practice forced foster and his colleagues to move their operations to iceland. there they snatched young whales from the frigid waters of the atlantic ocean and domesticated and trained them for eventual sale to marine parks in the u.s., france and japan.
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over time foster says he got more and more uncomfortable with ripping wild killer whales from their families in the sea. >> there's a cry almost like a baby's cry. and it -- so yeah, it tugged at your heart. >> reporter: over the last 20 years foster has gone from being a hunter to a rescuer of marine mammals. >> hi, thomas. >> reporter: we first met foster two years ago in turkey when he led a back to the wild project that rehabilitated two abused dolphins and released them into the aegean sea. he has worked on shar rescue projects with the killer whale springer that was found lost and disoriented in the puget sound and with keiko, star of the film "free willy" who survived a short time in the wild after
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spending decades in captivity. but two years ago foster got a very tempting offer to return to the hunt. he says he was offered $7 million to capture killer whales off of the pacific coast of russia. next, would jeff foster actually take that offer and go back to hunting whales? part two in a moment. ♪ [ male announcer ] over time, you've come to realize... [ starter ] ready! [ starting gun goes off ] [ male announcer ] it's less of a race... yeah! [ male announcer ] and more of a journey. and that keeps you going strong. at unitedhealthcare insurance company, we get that. with over 30 years of experience, we'll be there -- ready to go as far as you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, these help cover some of what medicare doesn't pay -- and could save you
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before the break we told you how seaword's profits and attendance have plummeted after cnn aired the "black fish" documentary aired accusing seaworld of abusing killer whales. seaworld denies the accusations. but no one denies it is big business. the question is will he go back on the hunt. here's part two of ivan's report. >> reporter: jeff foster is a man who knows what it's like to experience the thrill of the hunt. the high dollar payoff that capturing killer whales for theme parks can bring. but after decades as a leader in the captive industry, foster changed his focus. >> all right, bobby, you're clear. >> reporter: turning his attention to marine conservation instead. then a tempting offer to capture whales again, this time off the
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far east coast of russia proved almost too lucrative for him to refuse. an offer that would have allowed foster to retire as a multimillionaire with a $7 million paycheck. >> for me to do the whole thing. collect the animals, select them, do the initial training, then transport them to the facilities. >> reporter: how many killer whales? >> a total of eight. >> reporter: where would this have taken place? >> in russia, and the buyers were chinese buyers. there was mention that two of the animals would be going to the olympics and to a town that i never even heard from in sochi. >> reporter: sochi? >> yeah. >> reporter: that was the host city of this year's russian olympics. it's home to a small park called the sochi dolphinarium. they've denied reports it was seeking to acquire killer whales. calling those reports a hoax
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aimed at slandering russia's winter olympics. and we certainly didn't see any killer whales at this very small facility. but according to russian official documents, there were very different plans involving killer whales for the dolphin deniarium as recently as 2012. the agency issued a permit to the dolphinarium in 2012 for the capture of two orcas in the sea. the project, a watch dog group reports more than a dozen whales were caught last year there. the question is why after months of negotiations did jeff foster turn down an offer that would have allowed him to retire in comfort? >> it got to that point and literally was looking in the mirror and i just said, i can't do this. i can't -- i'm not going to -- and i can't get involved with any more captures, you know, of killer whales. >> reporter: foster takes us out
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on a boat into washington state's puget sound where he first learned to capture killer whales. >> oh, there we go. >> reporter: he says scientists have learned over the past 40 years that, unlike many other wild animals, the social, highly intelligent orcas live longer in the wild than they do in concrete pools at parks like seaworld and marine land. >> one of the reasons why i've changed my attitudes on these animals being in captivity is that the pools really haven't changed since the '80s. we've developed new pools for dolphins and new pools for other spec species, but the killer whale tanks haven't really changed over 30 years. >> reporter: foster points to the case of a young killer whale named morgan, who he says is suffering in a park in the canary island. >> she is just in wonderful little animal that's confused and lost and alone. and she is in a horrible situation where she's getting
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beat up on all the time. >> reporter: morgan was brought to this seaworld affiliated park after she was found disoriented and sick off the coast of the netherlands. on two visits to the park, foster says he saw morgan abused by larger and says she was so despondent she was banging her head against the side of the pool. he says she also constantly called out for her missing family. >> loud, loud calls. loud screaming calls, yeah. and it's continual. over and over and over. and i just -- you know, and just at that point it really hit me. it really hit home that this poor animal is in a really terrible situation with a very dysfunctional group of animals and she needs to be moved out into a better place. >> foster joined a campaign to free morgan. but in april, after a lengthy multiyear appeal process, a court in the netherlands disagreed, ruling the whale should stay in the park.
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in an impassioned statement, the park's owner defended the court's decision by saying, "i honestly think that this decision can be seen as a pardon for morgan, because her release would have meant suffering and death." so morgan remains in a pool in captivity. despite the best efforts of foster and the other free morgan activists. the former orca hunter is learning it's far easier to capture a killer whale than it is to set one free. >> ivan watson joins us now. what does he hope the industry does? what does he want them to do? >> well, he doesn't want to stop holding killer whales in captivity. he's arguing that it's time to advance the technology. not keeping these enormous sophisticated animals in concrete pools. but basically trying to fence off bays so that they can be in
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a more natural habitat to be able to hear wildlife and be able to interact with the outdoors more. as we've seen kind of zoos evolve, anderson, from just holding a big wild animal in a cage to having a more natural habitat. but it's clear that there are some new players on the scene. we've got killer whale monitoring organizations that say that the russians have captured killer whales recently, and it seems like the industry's moving east to china. a massive market. there are millions and millions and millions of chinese who've never had the experience of seeing a killer whale up close. so he argues it will be important to reach out to countries like china to ensure that they try to grow into this potential industry and try to treat these sophisticated animals in as most humane a way as possible. >> it's heartbreaking to see that video he took in the '80s. ivan, thanks very much. there are a lot of other stories
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we're following tonight. susan hendricks has a "360" bulletin. >> on the four-month anniversary of the crash of malaysia airlines flight 17, a new video has emerged online, allegedly showing the burning wreckage just moments after that plane went down in eastern ukraine. 298 people were killed. ukraine and others say pro-russian separatists shot the plane out of the sky. moscow claims ukrainian forces were responsible. and dr. martin salia, a surgeon who contracted ebola in sierra leone and was being treated at the university of nebraska, died early this morning. doctors said his condition was extremely critical when he arrived late saturday afternoon. mass murderer charles manson and his fiance have gotten a marriage license. the 80-year-old intends to marry the 26-year-old. her name is ashton burton. she goes by the name star. she visits him in prison and believes, anderson, that he is innocent. >> wow. crazy. susan, thanks very much. the "riduculist" is next. introducing... a pm pain reliever that dares to work
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time now for the "riduculist." and tonight we're adding the professional cuddling industry. that's right. yeah. the cuddling industry, which is apparently an actual thing. i don't really know how to explain it. i get my cuddles for free from wolf blitzer, of course. other than to say it's a service that provides cuddling. platonic cuddling, that is. as you can see. at a professional cuddling service you can get a variety of techniques and settings which frankly is more than i can say
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for wolf blitzer. these images are of a business called cuddle up to me. >> i am samantha hess, and we're here at cuddle up to me, my professional cuddling studio in portland, oregon. >> this is a great one to rock in. >> all right. i'm not entirely clear what the heck is going on. but look, no judgment. no judgment. no one is saying it's wrong. of course if the idea of cuddling for hire strikes you as a bit strange on a set that looks sort of like a porn shoot, you're not alone. even the owner agrees with that. but you know what makes you forget about the strangeness? that's right. theme rooms. >> this is the cascades room. this is done by a local artist. >> so every room has what in it? >> a camera. each room is securely monitored. we've got a bed in each room and we use new pillowcases for each session. >> oh, that's good. new pillowcases after every session in the cascades room, folks. charlie rose, i think i've found your christmas present. let's see a bit more of how this
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actually works. >> do you want to start as the cudler or the cuddlee? >> i could do as the cuddler. >> okay. here we go. >> my name is ray babor, and i am hired here as a new professional cuddler. >> i'll lean back and you can lean on me. >> i cannot imagine anything else. i'm just going on the record. i just cannot imagine -- i don't want some stranger touching me. that's the owner and one of her staffers doing a demonstration. that seems like a huge h.r. issue to me. you have your employees cuddling you? look, training -- i know training is important. i'm sure they're professionals. and i guess if you're going to get spooned you want to get spooned right. >> a lot of people when they come in here they really don't have much experience with platonic cuddling or touch in general. i mean, you hug your friends, your mom. but outside of that you're not hugging strangers. and so we get to kind of guide people and teach them this whole new world that they may not have seen before. >> oh, speak for yourself, honey. it might be a whole new world
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for some people. but for the rest of us it's just another monday. what is that? whose arm is that? that's such a creepy, creepy photo. they told me they were going to make a graphic, but i didn't know it would look quite so awful. truly awful. as for the cuddling industry at large, i'm a little bit skeptical. but again, no judgment. if we don't cozy up with you in the cascades room, we'll be sure to see you on the "riduculist." that does it for us. that does it for us. "cnn tonight" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- hello, everyone. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. tonight bill cosby under fire. more explosive charges against a man who was once known as america's dad. now another woman says cosby raped her when she was just 19. she joins me exclusively to tell her story. also, bill cosby's radio silence. the man who asked him point an


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