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this is cnn breaking news. >> if you are in the street, you need to exit the street immediately. or you will be subject to an arrest. >> anger after a grand jury decides not to charge police officer darren wilson in the shooting death of an unarmed teenager. >> what are you saying? that our lives are not equal? our lives are not worthy? hello and welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. i'm rosemary church. >> i'm erol barnett.
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we're watching a number of still developing angles to this story. a number of buildings are on fehr. cnn is still going through the documents from the decision from the grand jury to not indict daryl wilson. >> we just want to take you through what we just heard from a police news conference. basically we heard 29 people were arrested. at least aye dozen buildings were set ablaze and 150 shots were heard. the police were happy to report, though, no lives were lost, although some unfortunate incidents. an old man was carjacked and run over by some protesters. and at this stage, of course, we're talking about smaller groups of agitators. for the most part, and we must emphasize this. for 100 days or so, there were peaceful protests taking part on the streets of ferguson there. but we did hear from captain ron
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johnson. he emphasized we can't blame outsiders for this. this is the community that needs to turn around and take responsibility for this and decide this is not what they want for their future. >> they also found, they mentioned at that press conference in the past hour a semiautomatic weapon. so you'd imagine as soon as police realize that kind of weaponry is among the crowds and you hear gunshots. our correspondents, if you were watching cnn live, they were reporting live to us and heard gunfire behind them. and that's prevented a lot of the fire officials from getting access to many of the burning buildings you see here. one car dealership is still burning at this hour. more cars continue to be set ablaze because fire officials can't get close. they believe it's not safe. and listen to that press conference, we know why there's this fear that there are many weapons still out there. so a very uneasy night in ferguson, missouri.
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>> we're looking at that live picture. very disturbing there. those cars ablaze at that car dealership. we want to bring up a little segment, sound bite from that police news conference we talked to you about. let's just bring that up for a moment. >> so again, a lot of gunfire. i'm disappointed in this evening. i really don't have any hesitation in telling you that i didn't see a lot of peaceful protests out there. i'm not saying there weren't folks out there for the right reason. i'm not saying that wasn't the case. unfortunately, this spun out of control. what i've seen tonight and i've been in there right in the middle of it. what i've seen tonight is probably much worse than the worst night we had in august. and that's truly unfortunate. >> listening there to the police chief just emphasizing there the 29 arrests we mentioned earlier.
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want to give you perspective on where the protests have flared into violence. this shows where businesses were set on fire or looted. most of it concentrated on ferguson's florissant road where the police department is. we want to return to ed lavandera who is back in ferguson now and, ed, you had very difficult time earlier in the evening. what have you been witnessing in the last hour or so? >> you heard the law enforcement officials there talking about it, that they think maybe some dozen buildings had been burned. as we've driven around, it's more than a dozen. this is a family dollar store burned down. another auto parts store. i'm going to let you go. >> okay, obviously, a lot of anger out there.
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some of that anger directed toward the media, not just the police officials. it's 2:00 a.m. in ferguson, missouri. so the people out now, even though police have told people to clear away are not looking to make things better. one would assume that they're out to agitate and continue to do so. we want to get a better sense of what's really happening on the ground. in some of the surrounding jurisdictions as well. we'll bring in the mayor of dellwood, missouri. mayor reggie jones reconnects with us this hour. thanks for speaking with us late into the night. we're watching some aerial pictures of fire trucks finally getting to that car dealership and putting out the blaze on some of those vehicles. i wonder if you can updating us an that situation and respond to what captain ron johnson and others said just a few minutes ago. >> i'm finally glad to see our fire department finally got out there to put some of these fires
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out. i'm still very disappointed in the way that this was set up. we were told that this -- the command would have this together. they were prepared. the governor called the national guard in. i think about two weeks ago. and not to have those guys on standby when we all knew this verdict or the reading of the nonindictment or indictment was coming out at 8:00 p.m., to me, there was no plan during that time to make insure these businesses were safe. i didn't see any police out there on the street. it's very disappointing to be told this was taken care of and to come to find out that actually this was probably handled worse than the first back in august. >> one thing officials said, what did they say to the business owners who are watching
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their livelihoods burn, they basically says they did everything they could and they couldn't possibly be everywhere. how do you respond to that, and what do you make of the timing of the announcement? >> the time of the announcement, i don't have any information about or information an that. i think it would have helped if the national guard was on guard protecting businesses. we were told that's one of the duties the national guard would be doing. they are at the command post as they were the first time, protecting the command post. we need those guys an the street. sure we we couldn't have been surprised this kind of reaction was going to take place. once we knew there was a nonindictment. the command and everybody had to have known that this was going to be something that was potentially going to be out of control. i'm very disappointed in the reaction. it took time for police who --
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not even the president when the verdict was even read, in certain parts of ferguson. to have no police presence, this is totally unacceptable. the national guard now has been seen coming out. it's 2:00 a.m. central time here. we're seeing the national guard coming out. this should have been done six hours ago. i'm disappointed in how the governor has used the national guard and i was told he gave them orders to stay at the command post and not go out and protect those businesses. that's the case. i'm very disaponted in our governor. >> we have that same information that the national guard was sent to protect the kind of command center. so that officials there would be able to handle the still developing situations. but mayor, we watch these pictures. there is so much anger toward
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the system. the police and the government. this is a holiday week we're approaching in the u.s. thursday is thanksgiving. friday is typically a holiday. how do you move on from this. where do you start tomorrow? are most of the schools closed? who will be out? set the scene. >> all schools are closed tomorrow. and they were already going to be closed on wednesday. all local schools are closed for the rest of the week. tomorrow i'm going to get out to these business owners and try to get some kind of confidence and let them know the city has their back. there's no words you can really tell these guys. this is their livelihood. these are family owned businesses for the most part. mom and pop stores. and i have to make sure they know that we're behind them and we're going to help them everywhere possible to try to rebuild and hopefully they're going to move. if they move from the city of
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dellwood that affects us, our revenue and things we're able to provide. so this is very big. we had two large businesses, autozone and o'reilly's, both burned down tonight along with the other ones that are on fire. this has a big effect. we're not a big community. a 5,200 residents. so we have about 100 businesses. so when you have those kind of businesses taken out that has really economic impact on our city. >> this will certainly be felt among all your residents when they wake up and feel this in the morning. reggie jones of dellwood, right next to ferguson, has been watching with us. he watches one of his car dealerships brn there. it's past 2:00 in the morning central time there in ferguson, missouri. and it speaks to the emotional blaze that's really been set,
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and lit after this announcement that darren wilson would not be indicted. >> of course, we heard these very disappointed. the police are disappointed. as you've seen, there's a lot of strong reaction in ferguson. we talked to some of the demonstrate offors who were ang about the grand jury's decision. >> this is another example that black lives are not valued here in this society. it's another example of a miscarriage of justice. and i'm absolutely outraged. >> i just think it's real sick. very sick. i do hope that we all remain peaceful. of course, i want to follow that. at the same time, these individuals, not just officer wilson, but any officer who kills an unarmed person needs to be held accountable. >> unfortunately, things did not remain peaceful. we'll reconnect with ed lavandera in ferguson, missouri.
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bring us up to speed an what's happening where you are and what the security situation is there. >> we came out to -- we're on the north side of ferguson, several miles from where we've seen the brunt of the protesting and the violence. just to give you an idea of how this is spread out from a little more than beyond that small area near the police station and along west florissant road about a mile from the police station. this is another one of those businesses burned down. we're about -- at least two to three miles from where the heavier protest site were tonight by the police station. another auto parts store broken into. just over here, someone else that's was arrested. and this has been the scene we've seen throughout the night. i think authorities here suspect it will continue for several more hours as they try to get a
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handle on the situation as this situation has really deteriorated. and it's a situation where you see places -- businesses like this and we heard the law enforcement officials there talking in the last hour about how they suspected at least perhaps a dozen buildings had been burned down. as we've driven around ferguson and some of the communities around ferguson, we've seen way more than that. and i suspect that that number tomorrow will be a lot higher as they get a better sense of assessing the damage and piecing together how widespread the damage has been through many parts of ferguson and some of the communities and the nas neighborhoods around it. a lot of businesses torched and gone up in flames. we continue to see that and try to assess it as much as we can ourselves. >> ed, it's rosemary here. we were talking last time we had a connection to you, we were talking about the numbers of agitators. of course, for the most part,
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these protesters have been peaceful. we cannot emphasize that enough. but when you looked on the streets and you saw the agitat r agitators that we will call them, what sort of numbers do you think we're talking about here? >> i was in a little different location from -- i was not at the police department where the initial protests erupted and where that turned and escalated quite quickly. i was along another stretch of road where it is the area we had seen the protest happen back in august. and this was an area that had no law enforcement presence at about 9:00 central time. there was no law enforcement presence along that stretch of road. and we saw people breaking into stores, into small restaurants, going into various businesses stealing things and setting various buildings on fire. at least five or six fires set along that small stretch of road
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where i was. as we've talked about, firefighting crews couldn't get into these situations because as we retreated back to get away from some of these flames, the gunfire erupted. i think the police official said a little while ago at least 150 shots were fired. that seems incredibly accurate to me based an what i heard. we were trapped and caught in the middle of a lot of that for an hour and a half, almost two hours. we weren't able to move from our location. we saw a large number of people and large groups of people that were involved in all of this. whether it be part of the looting or setting of the fires. it was an incredibly tense situation. people who -- as we were filming and trying to do our work, people targeting us, warning us to get out of the situation and to stop rolling. so it was very tense and just a matter of moments you could sense those situations could quickly turn on ourselves.
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that's why we had to retreat from those various areas we were in. >> same report for our reporters sara sidner. sara being hit an the head with a rock or piece of a bottle. ed lavandera, many thanks to you. we'll take a very short break.
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welcome back to cnn's
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special coverage of the unfolding situation just outside st. louis, missouri. this is dellwood, missouri, just outside offing fors ferguson, m. the mayor of dellwood spoke with us a short time ago and made the point he's disappointed the national guard and all the security forces he was assured would be present to protect local businesses weren't able to stop those buildings from being set on fire. they also include a car dealership we watched burn for a good hour as cars continued to light up one another before fire officials were able to distinguish that. the story has been many of the security situation has been so bad, gunshots have been heard. fire officials are decided not to go in and wait until it was much more safe. we did hear from captain ron johnson and those in charge of security. they've all said there has been
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no one injured in this. no one killed. but they have made at least 29 arrests. and hundreds of shots they have said have been fired. and there are at least a dozen structures set on fire. ed lavandera telling us surely it's morthe than that by his count. >> protesters took to the streets across the u.s. in seattle, washington, demonstrators marched through the streets and then dropped to the ground referencing the scene of the august shooting. >> in new york, demonstrators marched peacefully through times square. there's a glimpse of that for you. >> and in pennsylvania, also a peaceful protest through the streets of philadelphia. >> now u.s. president barack obama spoke about race relations shortly after the grand jury ruling. take a listen. >> we have made enormous progress in race relations over
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the course of the past several decades. i have witnessed that in my own life, and to deny that progress, i think is to deny america's capacity for change. but what is also true is that there are still problems, and communities of color aren't just making these problems up. separating that from this particular decision, there are issues in which the law too often feels as if it is being applied in discriminatory fashion. >> we are learning more information about what happened on that fateful night, specifically we're hearing more details from darren wilson's side of the story. we're getting a glimpse at images the grand jury saw of what officer wilson looked like immediately after he shot michael brown. >> according to a medical
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report, brown was diagnosed with a bruised face. he said when he tried to get out of his cruiser, brown slammed the door shut twice. that's when wilson said he feared for his life after brown punched him in the face. >> and that's key because that punch was part of wilson's testimony to the grand jury and cited the teenager's size compared to his. he made it seem like he as the police officer who was armed was vulnerable in that situation. >> and he said in part, i felt that another one of those punches in my face could knock me out or worse. he's obviously bigger than i was and stronger and i've already taken two to the face. then wilson says he thought the third one could be fatal if he hit me right. >> during his testimony, wilson went on to say, quote, i tried to hold his right arm and use my left hand to get out to have
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some type of control and not to be trapped in my car anymore. and when i grabbed him, the only way i can describe it is i felt like a 5-year-old holding on to hulk hogan. making that point he was the vulnerable party. he claims even though he was the armed officer and michael brown was unarmed, the grand injury met 23 times since the august shooting and went through dozens of separate pieces of evidence. cnn legal analyst mark o'mara tells us what evidence the grand jury was working with and how it lined up with wilson's account of the shooting. >> what's interesting, it's far away from the car. there was a lot of travel that mike brown took and a lot of follow by darren wilson. but when they get to that point, you'll see that bunch of little circles right there and then mike brown, the diagram of mike brown's body. what's interesting is right in that very same area, beyond and to the right, those last two
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circles to the right just under that large arrow with the "n" is where there were blood stains, presumably mike brown's blood. if you can see, another 25 feet back towards the car is where mike brown ended. that's the forensic evidence almost undeniable forensic evidence that mike brown had gone further away and had come back as wilson had said, back towards him. you also see in the same areas is all of the shell casings from wilson shooting brown. again, very close proximity to where mike brown's body ended up and where the shells were. so those -- the forensics, at least in that regard seem to support wilson's story, which was that he followed, keeping him in sight, mike brown turned on him. came back a couple of times. according to wilson, he fired, stopped, fired and was finally about eight feet away when
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michael brown fell to the ground. >> what is next for officer darren wilson? technically, he could return to the ferguson police force, although we've heard talk of him resigning. if he wanted to remain on the job, legal analysts say he could put up a fight and the police union would back him. but many people doubt wilson will ever wear a badge again. according to people close to talks, wilson was in the final stages of negotiations with the city to resign. analysts say it would make no sense for him to go back on the streets because of distrust and abuse from citizens. >> we're still watching the many live pictures coming to us from ferguson, missouri, and surrounding suburbs and gathering a lot of information. stay with us here an cnn. we'll have more for you after this very short break. it's more than the driver.
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it's been a highly motivated case watched closely all over the united states. a number of demonstrations across the country in support of the michael brown family. but at this hour, ferguson, missouri, is brning. >> what we've seen is fires, ka oviolence and looting in ferguson, missouri, after the grand jury decided not to indict the officer in the michael brown case. people looted and vandalized stores along the city's main streets. businesses and cars were also destroyed in neighboring comm e communi communities. police say they've arrested 29 people at this pont. michael brown's shooting split the communeity of ferguson. >> the city really has been an uproar, you could say, since that august day. our sara sidner is there and takes a look at how ferguson got to this point. >> reporter: what has become a
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modern day civil rights movement began as a police shooting in a city near st. louis the rest of the nation barely knew. an unarmed african-american teen aurge shot dead by a white police officer. at the heart of this skas whether 18-year-old michael brown was surrendering when he was shot dead or whether the officer feared for his life. it began august 9th with wilson in his patrol car ordering brown to get out of the middle of the street. autopsy results later revealed two shots were fired inside the patrol car and leaked grand injury testimony later, wilson claimed brown was reaching for his gone. brown's friend and witness said wilson was the aggressor and brown was trying to get away. brown did get free but moments later, he was dead. the autopsy shows the final shot
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to the top of the head killed him. on the scene, some witnesses said his hands were up. the unarmed brown laid dead in the street for more than four hours. a young life ends. an uproar begins. august 10th, peaceful protests. >> please disperse. this is the police. >> overnight, a few protesters riot, brning a gas station, breaking windows, looting. police respond in military grade riot gear. teargas and rubber bullets fly. gunfire can be heard emanating from somewhere in the crowd. tensions explode. by daylight, the protests continue. loud but largely peaceful. day three, the confluct escalates when a police officer is seen aiming his weapon at a protester. a tear gas canister is thrown at
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police. >> started getting rocks, bricks, bottles thrown at us. >> reporter: police are criticized for arresting journalists trying to cover the confluctuate. the next day, ron johnson is brought in to coordinate the police response. tensions lower. august 15th, police finally release officer wilson's name but also release surveillance video they say shows brown shoving a clerk at a convenience store. protesters react with fury saying the timing was a ploy to justify brown's death. anger spills out into the streets. the next day, august 16th, governor jay nixon declares a state of emergency and imposes a curfew. august 18th, the national guard is called in. several journalists are arrested. an officer pushes cnn's don lemon live. august 25th, quiet finally comes
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to the streets on the day mike brown is laid to rest. as tears flow at the memorial. they want the officer charged with a crime. >> transparency, accountability, dignity. >> reporter: robert mccullough's father was a police officer himself, killed by a black man in the line of duty. >> he is biased and he cannot be fair. >> i can be fair, and i have been fair. as months pass, police faced with water bottles being thrown at them. leaks to the media prompted more skepticism. a battered and emotional town wonders what will happen next and how much more it can take. >> more than once i've been told they're going to tear up the
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community. we already broken, so how can you tear up something that's already not even fixed. >> if we don't get it -- >> reporter: sara sidner, cnn, ferguson, missouri. >> we'll continue to cover reaction there in ferguson on the other side of this break. do stay with us.
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this is the situation in ferguson, missouri, at this hour. 2:37 a.m. some buildings still burning. others smoking as fire officials finally get to them and douse those flames. it's been a number of hours of violence and anger in this community after it was announced da darren wilson would not be indicted on any of the charges for shooting an unarmed black teen aurager back in august. an estimated 12 buildings set on fire. at this hour they're getting closer, brnging that situation under control. it's going to be a painful morning and week for those residents. >> as day breaks and people see
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the destruction around them, and finding a way to get forward. about an hour ago we heard from the missouri state highway patrol. here's what they had to say. >> i said several months ago during an interview what would be the worst thing that could possibly happen. and the fact of the matter is i said to tear the fabric of this community apart. frankly, that has happened here. there's not a lot left an west florissant. and those are businesses that may never come back. i'm heartbroken about that. >> we talked about the out of towners came in and tore up our communeth. our community is about to take responsibility for what happened tonight. for what happened tonight as far as tearing our community apart. this cannot happen. we talk about peaceful protests. and that did not happen tonight. we definitely have done something here that is going to impact our community for a long
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time and impact our region. that's not how we create change. change is created through our voice and not through destruction of our community. >> captain ron johnson there and disappointment seems to be the consistent sentiment from those officials and also the mayor of dellwood. he was disapounted the national guard wasn't able to protect the number of businesses in his community, including a dealership which we watched live go up in flames. some other things we want to bring you that's taking place. at least 29 arrests as it's related to all of this. at least a dozen buildings on fire. police officials saying two of their police vehicles have been completely melted. they've tweeted out images to make that point. >> also a lot of new details from officer darren wilson's testimony to the grand jury. wilson says he was injured in an international struggle with 18-year-old michael brown on
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august 9th. wilson told the grand jury he fired the fatal shots moments later when brown came at him while reaching under his shirt. an unidentified witness told the grand jury she watched the entire incident and testified brown was not running and did not reach rnd his shirt. but the prosecutor says the grand jury weighed all the evidence. >> i'm ever mindful that this decision will not be accepted by some. and may cause disappointment for others. but all decisions in the criminal justice system must be determined by the physical and scientific evidence and the credible testimony corroborated by that evidence. not in response to public outcry or for political expediency. decisions simply cannot be decided on anything less than a complete critical examination of all valuable evidence.
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anything less is not justice. >> officer wilson's supporters, and there are many actually, they believe he shot michael brown in self-defense. some witnesses say the unarmed teenager had already surrendered. >> can brown's autopsy said any light on what happened? that's a big question here. susan candiotti spoke with a forensic expert. >> reporter: dr. kobilinsky, can you please explain how many wounds there were? >> it looks like there are at least seven shots, perhaps eight. a grazing wound to the right palm, near the right thumb. a wound to the forearm, which has both entrance and exit features. there is a grazing wound to the right bicep. a fourth wound to the upper right arm. two shots to the chest. one to the right forehead, the
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so-called kill shot which entered at the very top of the crown of the skull. >> this is the first shot because there was a struggle described in the car between michael brown and officer wilson. >> that hand was very close to the gun when it went off. >> and there appears to be material which is likely gun residue? >> that's correct. >> can you tell how far away officer wilson was from michael brown? >> not from autopsy results. what you look for is gunshot residue pattern. beyond 18 inches, a gunshot leaves no residue pattern. even if you had the clothing, you would not see anything. >> were his hands up in surrender? were they coming down? >> i would expect the entrance wound to be an what we call the ventral surface. the inner aspect of the arm.
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that's not what we see. we see the exit wound on that surface. that's demonstrated right here. the entrance wound is on the back surface of the arm. the entrance wound is actually here which is not what you'd expect. people don't surrender like that. that would be the entrance wound? >> when that shot hit mr. brown, the arms were down. when it comes to the arm, it could be up or flailing or rotating. it can take on an infinite number of positions. we have to be careful making stallme statements about trajectory. i certainly don't feel comfortable stating that's an indicator of hands up or hands don. of the three autopsies, i think they would certainly all agree on the position of the trauma, the wounds to the body. i think how they got there is a
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matter of opinion. in other words, was michael brown running toward the cop? police officer wilson? was he falling? was he surrendering? not surrendering? all of these are part of the reconstruction. >> susan candiotti with that. >> even the autopsy doesn't answer some of the key questions. >> we'll take a very short brack. we'll be back in a moment. >> technology gives you security. technology gives you control
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we've just had enough. enough racism. enough bigotry. it's got to stop. it's killing us. it's kill iing our city and our state and our nation. >> unfortunately for the past few hours it hasn't stopped. local businesses have been torched and looted. we continue what's happening in and around ferguson. protesters set fire buildings and looted several buildings in the fergusoniar. we can show you live pictures. this is the car dealership we were watching as those cars were set ablaze next to a gas station the mayor told us. it appears that the fires in this part of the city are out. the cause of all of this, the flash point was the grand jury decision, or really their lack of a decision, not to indict
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darren wilson, the white police officer in the shooting death of the unarmed black teenager michael brown. police say by now they've made at least 29 arrests. are not n fortunately, they've not had to fira single shot. there have been some questions about the grand jury process. it was made up of 12 people. seven men, five women. three were african-americans. nine were white. nine jurors had to vote yes to indict. >> earlier, i spoke to our cnn legal analyst who elaborated on the grand jury's decision to not charge officer wilson. >> most of darren wilson's story before the grand jury was unknown except for some comments he made to a friend. we really didn't know what darren wilson's testimony was
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going to be. and we still don't. but we do know that he's going to tell a narrative that's very different from that of other witnesses, especially those that support the michael brown theory that he was just surrendering. >> we heard more justification for why the grand jury resulted in a no true bill decision. was there anything leading up to this that struck you as strange? no victim's advocate appointed? the slow leaking of certain details that also seem to support darren wilson's side of the story. did that strike you as bizarre? >> leaks never surprise me. when you are in a courthouse, courthouse gossip is an unstoppable force. it just happens. i don't know there was any intentional leaks. might have just been hallway scuttlebutt. but much of the criticism appears to be now that the
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prosecutor might have just hoisted too much evidence on the grand injujury. the outcry would have been just as bad if it came out the prosecution withheld evidence. when we take a step back and look at grand juries in general, this showing of all the evidence is rare to begin with. remember, prosecutors only have to make a bare bones case. a preponderance of the evidence which is nowhere close to the beyond a reasonable doubt standard with a real trial and what we call a small jury. >> what about for michael brown's parents? it's difficult to think of what they are going through right now. they are expected to address the media on tuesday. what are the legal avenues can they pursue, if any? >> next up, they could pursue a civil claim against the police department and the township and
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all the government entities. those are, however, exceedingly difficult to win. many people claim police brutality. few can get into court to prove it. the other option is the federal investigation could result in a civil rights charge against officer wilson. even though there's been no indictment in state court because the federal and state governments are considered separate sovereigns. separate kingdoms. there's nothing preventing the failure of one prosecution as barring a prosecution by the federal government under civil rights statutes. >> and reaction to the decision in ferguson, missouri. along with the anger and outrage there's been gunfire as well. here's our stephanie elam a little earlier. >> whoa, whoa, whoa.
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>> yeah, those are gunshots. >> back behind the building. >> right here. >> anderson, there were just a bunch of gunshots. the police were backing off. i'm still on west florissant. and we just kind of ran to take cover. they were coming closer to where we are. we're going to edge back out a little bit to show you what we can see. as you can see, there's three buildings on fire. the beauty salon. looks like it's still smoldering. they kind of knocked it mostly down. if you go down the street a little further, two more buildings on fire that way. we got pushed back behind this
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police line. law enforcement lining up across the street in riot gear. and they were telling people to get out of the street, back out of the way, even the media. you are seeing a lot of media back behind them. in front of that line is where the gunfire was coming from. we saw people scatterings, going in both directions. now i don't hear anything. but it was a lot of gunfire actually. >> stephanie elam and her team trying cover the story in the midst of gunshots. all parties agree there must be change in order to reduce racial tensions. i spoke to the president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives. take a listen. at the core of the peaceful demonstrations is the knowledge that, and the reality that african-american men are 21 times more likely, so the stats
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tell us, more likely of being shot by police than their white counterparts. how can that be changed? >> i think what has to happen not only in ferguson but across this country as well is that we're going to have to really start building long and lasting relationships between police and community. and it's probably a lot of variables as to why that may be the case. but i think in every city, in every event where that takes plaus, they really have to be looked at separately. but it is an alarming number that we most certainly pay very close attention to. and we ask that responsibility certainly has to be taken in regards to communities as a whole working together to try to define the reasoning as to why this is taking place. just as importantly as well, too, there's got to be a process that takes place in this country
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where police and communities start working a lot closer together. if you think about ferguson and what it's going through at this very moment, at some point here real soon, that community along with its local officials, elected officials, appointed officials, they'll have to find a way in which they'll have to work together and co-exist because that community is not going anywhere. neither is the police department. there's a lot of healing that has to be done in that communecommunet community. there's a process in which that's going to have to take place. we have to figure out a way to do that. >> dr. cedric alexander talking to me earlier. thank you for watching us on cnn. i'm rosemary church. >> i'm errol barnett. "early start" is next for everyone in the u.s. for everyone else, stay tuned. we'll have the latest on ferguson, missouri. i'm only in my 60's.
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good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm john berman. >> and i'm deborah feyerick. >> protests around the country in the wake of the grand jury decision not to indict ferguson police officer darren wilson in the shooting death of michael brown. these are live pictures right now of ferguson at this moment. it is 3:00 a.m. there. 4:00 a.m. in the east. wee hours of the morning. smoke pouring out of buildings. protesters set