s only cnn can. we want to begin with gary tuchman live from the naval air base in surabaya good morning, gary. >> christine, hello to you, we can tell you we saw amazingly poignant ceremony two hours ago when the first two vems were brought back here to surabaya with coffins, with an honor guard of more than 100 military members. the caskets came off the plane, they were numbered 001 and 002. we don't know their identities brought to a nearby hospital where they will be identified and the honor ceremony will repeat for each and every one of the bodies that is recovered. the mystery of where this plane went down appears to have been solved. but the mystery of why the plane went down has not been solved. this morning, the first group of recovered passengers arriving in surabaya. in an eye motional ceremony. in caskets marked 001 and 002.
this as indonesian authorities focus on pin pointing the exact location of airasia flight 8501 officials confirming sonar imagery located wreckage believed to be if the aircraft submerged at the bottom of the java sea. >> what's going to be of particular interest is what part of the airplane are there, the wings, the tail just to sort of try to understand whether the plane broke up in flight or remained intact. >> other reports suggest the plane may be lying upside-down according to "the wall street journal." >> on tuesday recovery team brings in pieces of debris along with the remains of seven victims. a gruesome task recovering more bodies and identifying them. but some still hold on to hope one woman with six family members aboard tells cnn, there's nothing confirmed with
what happened to the passengers and we are still hoping there is a miracle. >> at the crisis center in surabaya surabaya relatives gather for a prayer service inside the airport. next the hunt for clues, answers as to what brought down airasia flight 8501. like that contained in the flight's data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. >> i'm hoping by first thing next week we're going to have a very clear picture of what happened to this airplane. because the industry absolutely needs to know. urgently what went wrong. >> the ceo of airasia has become a familiar presence on television over the last few days. he spoke just a few minutes ago. >> search and rescue team is doing a fantastic job. they're narrowing the search. they're feeling a bit more comfortable that they're beginning to know where it is. but they have there's no
confirmation no sonar, nothing. some visual identification. >> you heard what he said about the sonar, we have talked to people in charge of this search mission and they have told us while it's not definite they do believe that the sonar from the airplane has identified the plane as being on the bottom in about 100 feet of water in the java sea. we just found out minutes ago, michaela and christine, an additional five bodies will go through the same ceremony we saw two hours ago, about one hour from now. so tonight, seven bodies will be brought back to this airport where they start to say good-bye. so many people going away for new year's now they're coming back here tonight. >> seven families will begin the process of mourning. 155 families still waiting until the remains of their loved ones are brought back. the search efforts have been hampered because of the weather in the search area.
it's continuing to deteriorate. we're told it's going to be bad for the next two or three days. let's take a look at the system that's moving through there. meteorologist chad myers joins us. we know this is kind of an intense weather area to begin with. especially this time of year. >> take a look at the map behind me. take a look at the red areas, these are tops of thunderstorms, 45,000 to 55,000 feet tall. the search area is right here. this is the map of about 6:00 a.m. local time. when they wanted to do the search. here's the problem with this area the weather is bad in the morning when you want to send the crews out and it gets good at night when the sun goes down. you can see gary it didn't look like the wind was blowing. for a while today the wind was blowing 35-40. there's not even any rain showers in the search area tomorrow morning, bam, we're back here where we were yesterday. we have showers and thunderstorms everywhere tomorrow night, the showers are gone. the next morning, friday morning, they're back again right over the search area intense and then by the
afternoon -- they're gone. so as soon as you lose the light in the area then you lose the bad weather and that's not what you want. you want it to go the other way with the more ideal. but with four inches of rainfall just in the next couple of days here and this is a devastating map here. these are windspeeds of 50 miles per hour right over the search area. we're going to get waves of 25 feet there. michaela back to you. >> chad of course there's urgency to get the remains of the other passengers out. but at the same time they don't want to risk the lives of search and rescuers at all. we'll check back with you. for more we're joins by a cnn aviation analyst and former inspector general of the ntsb and mary ski i have ao and david soucie has a new book coming out "malaysian airlines flight 370: why it disappeared and why it's only a matter of time before it happens again."
i think we have to talk about the overnight developments. first we're told that the sonar has detected the wreckage of the plane on the bottom of the sea floor on the java sea and backing off, saying that's not confirmed. what does that say to you? >> tony fernandez is not the kind of man who is going to take something on its surface value. until he has proof that yes that is that aircraft he's not going to say yes it is the aircraft. so that's why i think we're seeing here they don't want to make mistakes like 370 where they said this is conclusively this is what happened and then come back later and say well no we were wrong. that's why right now you don't see the screaming and the crying you see the acceptance that's going on with the families because of the fact there's not been any misinformation. >> misinformation lack of transparency mary one of the thing we heard complaints of with mh370, this time they're trying to be as transparent as possible. trying to make sure that most information is released. but also factually.
so let's talk about this development. what do you anticipate if the sonar has spotted something? given what we've seen in terms of the debris field. the deceased that have been found in the ocean. do you anticipate we're going to see a whole fuselage? do you anticipate the plane will have broken up? >> i think the plane will have broken up. from the altitude at which it was flying literally any altitude over a few thousand feet, a plane hitting water is comparable to a plane hitting cement. so i think most likely we will see it broken up. there will be large pieces but we know it has broken up because of the bodies that have already been found. they had to get out of the fuselage one way or another. and they got out by being broken up. there may be some pretty large pieces and what would be very helpful for everyone the searchers, the families of course the air investigators would be if that tail part of the fuselage is still intact and the black boxes are still there on the ocean floor, then they
don't even need to go listening for pings, they go in and get the black boxes without disturbing the recovery of the body process. >> mary, speaking of the bodies we understand some of the bodies that were recovered, the deceased that were recovered, some were unclothed. one was wearing a flight attendant's uniform. help us understand what that tells investigators when you've done these investigations. >> well you know the clothed and not clothed is kind of interesting. in some accidents the victims are clothed. other than tearing away depending on the forces and others they're unclothed. the unclothed ones i'll give an example of a crash that was long ago. and that was the shoot-down of iran air and the plane broke up in the air at altitude. and the victims were largely unclothed. the fall and the forces on the body falling from the air actually ripped the clothing off. in other accidents it's a mix, because some who are ejected from the plane upon impact the
clothes are ripped away and then others who surface later, they're intact. can you tell a little bit about the clothing. it's certainly not conclusive. but it does help searchers have an idea if the plane will be intact in large pieces or small pieces et cetera. it's just one of the many pieces of information they'll look at. >> another piece of information on the side of investigators for search and rescue areas of the java sea only about 100 feet deep. i imagine that the hope is that parts of the plane will be intact. it will help with the investigation. and in fact wasn't air france there was a good portion of the plane -- >> resting on the bottom. >> you have to be very careful on how that's brought up. do you bring it up right away? how does that -- >> you don't necessarily. the only thing you do in the investigation, you only thing you do is in the purpose of finding out what happened once you find out what happened there's really not a lot of benefit in doing anything more. you're taking resources away from the investigation of and the purpose of the
investigation. >> so at this point, and with air france 447 as well. the focus is on getting the bodies back. to the loved ones, they really need to do that. closure-wise there's also a lot of evidence as mary said about the clothing there's evidence about what is in lungs, is there salt water in the lungs or are they clear? those are all clues in this puzzle of riddles that we're trying to put together. >> and most of the clues will come in in the flight data recorders, david soucie mary sciavo really appreciate it. another developing story breaking overnight in southern california more than 100 motorists trapped on a highway in heavy snow. dozens of have been rescued at this hour but there are more still awaiting help. a car accident led to major delays during a winter storm. by the time the accident was cleared, many cars were unable to get out thanks to a foot of new snow. we want to bring in san
bernardino fire chief david hartwood with the latest on the rescue efforts, good morning, chief, you've had a very busy night. you say 25 people in one group have been rescued. another 50 people in another group. we're looking at a map and some video of what the conditions are. tell us how you're getting them out. >> yeah so we used on the crestline side lake harrowhead side of one of our mountain ranges we used snow cats. we have a fleet of snow cats for our mountain resort communities and we brought them down to lower elevations and we took some stranded motorists on the lake arrowhead side to crestline first baptist church where they'll be sheltered overnight. then on the other side the l.a. county side mount baldy area we took 40 occupants, mount baldy road was closed and impassable. we took them by crew buggy, a
vehicle we used to transport our fire crew members up to mount baldy lodge. >> it gives you new meaning to a ski vacation when you can't get there. tell me about the condition of the people who you're rescuing. >> they're in good spirits. we had on both sides, we had motorists who were prepared. and decided to stay with their vehicles but as i said a number of them about 40 on the mount baldy side the l.a. county line side have been closer to 50 on the lake arrowhead side. chose to take us up on our offer to transport them to a warm location and some food and coffee and they'll be staying the night there. >> happy new year to all of them. much better than spending the night in your car. what are you advising people trying to drive in the area i know it's an arctic snow mass
and a lot of wind that have come together to cause the system. what are you telling people who might be on the road? >> well we we always tell people here in our mountain communities, especially during the winter to drive prepared. not only have a full tank of gas, but to have food and clothing warm clothing in your vehicles. this was especially odd for us. this is we're used to snow in our communities, mountain communities here especially resort communities, but snow level got all the way down to 1,000 feet here. so really these right above the valley areas our inland empire and san gabriel valley areas, received up to 12 inches of snow. it was odd for us. and then most people just went up for a day of skiing roads were good in the morning and then they got caught and ill-prepared to come back down the hill. >> chief mark hartwig, we wish you the best of luck. glad that so many of them were
so prepared. cnn's sarah sidener is on the way to the scene of the rescues. the san bernardino mountains, east of l.a. >> party folk there. >> there's a lot going on in the world. >> we begin in suburban philadelphia police shot and killed a man who they say tried to run them over. police are saying that they were trying to arrest this 52-year-old, his name joseph anthony puccini, on tuesday for posting online videos threatening to kill police officers as well as fbi agents. his death comes a little more than a week after a man who made similar threats shot and killed two nypd police officers and then shot himself. u.s. law enforcement officials are pushing back hard against sony hack theories suggesting a former employee insider may have been behind the cyberattack. it comes after cybersecurity firm norris says testified
collected points to an inside job. u.s. officials say norris only examined a very narrow piece of the hack and say they firmly believe north korea is responsible. house majority whip steve scalise is in damage control after admitting he spoke to a white supremicist group. cnn is trying to gauge the level he has right now of support. house speaker john boehner says he has full confidence in the louisiana congressman. and a new statement scalise says he does regret the mistake and wholeheartedly condemns the views of the group he did speak to. and it is very early here. but it is new year's eve in the u.s. as we plea for tonight. in some parts of the world they are ringing in 2015. it is amazing. look at the beautiful celebration, happy new year new
zealand. these pictures from auckland new zealand where revelers brought in the new year just moments ago. a small part of russia will hit the new year at 7:00 a.m. eastern, followed by eastern australia at 8:00 a.m. eastern. the countdown to 2015 here in the east just under 18 hours away. >> watching the new year ring in. >> every hour somewhere. >> i move all the clocks forward three hours. >> you've already done that so the kids think it's 9:00. it's hard with cell phones and devices where they can see the real-time. >> they know what's up. >> all of my people are on the west coast i'm going to have to face time with them at 12:00 and face time with them when it's their 12:00. >> a lot going on. back to the top story, the mystery of what brought down airasia flight 8501. our experts weighing in on questions you have tweeted us. and objects thought to be from the wreckage of the plane have been spotted on the bottom of the java sea, is it the main
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about what happened to the flight. i want to go through what we know and don't know at this hour and answer questions you've been sending us over twitter. cnn aviation analyst les abent contributing editor of "flying" magazine and jeff weiss author of "extreme fear." investigators are saying sonar hay most likely shown them where it is but the ceo of the company is saying there's no confirmation. they have an idea but there's no confirmation what do you make of that jeff? >> i think if they had found it. i think if they had side-scan sonar images of portions of the fuselage on the sea bed, there wouldn't be room for ambiguity. it would be clear. the fact that they're uncertain leads me to tip it to the probably not column. but listen this is still early. we just don't know. >> the ceo is being very cautious here. and the investigators think they know where it is from what they've seen but the ceo is
being cautious. >> i would like to think the investigators know what they're doing, but i agree with jeff there is that possibility. absolutely. >> so waiting to clear that up. and they're not in the water right now, not searches because of the weather. let's talk about what we know and don't know and how all of this information is going to be so important to investigators, we know that parts of the plane may have been located by sonar at the bottom of the sea. we doesn't know how large the parts are, where they were located or their orientation on the sea floor, there's a lot to discover here. >> we've seen this before in other accident investigations information comes out early in the process, it's sketchy. it's inconsistent. it's going to take a little bit of time to sort out what's true and what's rumor at this point. >> we know also gentlemen, that the debris was found a distance from the last known location of the plane. or what condition it's in. we know the debris was found in the ocean, 100 to 200 kilometers
from the last location. we don't know if the final resting place of the plane is close to the debris field at this point, do we les? >> we don't and that is going to make a forensic aspect of the investigation important. you know and how far it drifted. how it impacted the water. i mean this what's happening now is little bits of information are coming in. enough that now you can develop more theories and more speculation. >> you put those theories and speculation to rest the data recorders and can you see what the avianics with the mechanics of the plane were telling us, the black boxes are the key to piecing this together. but we don't know where they are or how long it will take to locate them. especially if we're going to have rough weather for the next few days. >> absolutely. this does not help to have these huge thunderstorms brewing up. the kind of thunderstorms incidentally that probably was linked to the problem of the plane in the first place is also
now making difficulties to recover the wreckage and debris. i should point out, this search is now going pretty quickly compared to other similar incidents in the past. there's a ton of resources being poured into this. i think memories of mh370 are very fresh. nobody wants another lingering mystery. >> richard quest and i were saying this is almost like a textbook crash investigation, hampered by bad weather, but following through in what has been historically how you investigate these crashes. on the subject of the black boxes, i want to bring in something someone asked us via twitter. why in this day and age do we rely on the physical recovery of these boxes. do you think this will push airlines to move to mandatory streaming data recorders? my car for example tells me when there's something that needs to be fixed or something that's amiss. an aircraft does not. >> well they actually do a have that kind of system.
a in the case of air france 447, every minute sinding maintenance reports back. the problem is if you have a systemic failure, we had the failure of the secondary surveillance system with air traffic control, if that fails, you have another system failure. the black boxes are very robust piece of equipment and it's been well proven. it may be the case that ultimately in the future we move to this kind of system. >> i'm very aware as we report this story of compounding the agony for the families who are watching every little thing we say, watching every little bit of news as they try to put the pieces of this together. something in particular that a lot of people are asking when you look at the wreckage we've seen so far, the oxygen tank the slide. we know the body of a flight attendant was found. here's the next twitter question it sounds like with them finding a stewardess air tank and slide, did people try to land but people tried to get out, but it sank too fast?
heartbreaking to think of. >> that's another piece, it's hard to say at this point without having concrete evidence and like you said the information from the digital flight data recorder to see what happened. what's interesting is that if these passengers were found with the flight attendant, the flight attendant had a particular position in the airplane. if we know who these passengers are, can identify them and where the flight attendant position was, then that helps solve some of the puzzle. >> it helps solve the puzzles, but it does compound the agony. even in reporting the crashes, you try not to think what people went through. >> i couldn't help but be by the irony, in the wake of mh370, people saying we need more information faster and we had the reverse problem yesterday. the families were there in the meeting and seeing this too much information coming in. seeing the lifeless body while they themselves are waiting for information about their loved ones it was pretty heartbreaking. >> there's never a happy medium.
there never is. >> gentlemen, thank you we'll continue to analyze all this and wait for more answers from the sonar finding the wreckage getting the data recorders, we'll continue to answer your questions this morning, tweet them to us using the #8501qs. >> have indonesian searchers found the wreckage of airasia flight 8501? we'll take you live to indonesia after a break. thanks. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] fedex® has solutions to enable global commerce that can help your company grow steadily and quickly. great job. (mandarin) ♪ ♪ cut it out. >>see you tomorrow. ♪ ♪
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but air asia's ceo says the weather forecast for the next few days is not looking good. for more on the latest developments let's head to gary tuchman live once again from indonesia. gary? >> michaela that's the newest information that more bodies have been recovered, upping the total to 10. in addition to that five more bodies will be brought back here to this area this airport, the naval air base near here for a ceremony like the one we saw about two and a half hours ago. it was incredibly moving. the first two victims were brought in their coffins, on an indonesian air force jet. there was an honor guard of 110 members of indonesia's army, ifrs and navy they walked two hearses that were waiting, they were numbered 001 and 002. not only because they were the first two victims brought back to the city where the plane took off from but because their identities are not yet known. they were transported to a
police station about an hour away from here. brought to a hospital facility and that's where family members will attempt to identify their loved ones. it's the most important and critical thing for the people in this room behind me this is a crisis center that's been set up at the airport. people here have been here as long as i've been here all day today. right now there are between 90 and 100 family members waiting for any word whatsoever about their loved ones. most of them have come to terms with the fact that their loved ones died aboard this plane. they just want their bodies back now. there are some people however, and it's sad, and you understand and i think i feel the same way if i was going through something like this who are still hoping for some kind of miracle. one man came up to me and told me i think there's a good possibility that some of these rafts were use and i think my grandmother got on a raft and she's on an uninhabited island. this is a nation of many islands. and he's hoping that they're searching the islands. he asked rescue officials, are you searching land and they told
him they were. they said it's unlikely that somebody is there. but that's what people are clinging to hopes that maybe their loved ones are still alive. >> i think all of us would do the same if it were our loved ones. gary tuchman, thanks for that. poppy has the headlines. >> it is new years, a big celebration in new york city. a lot of preparations under way and security will be very tight as this city gets ready to ring in 2015. heavily armed counterterrorism teams, bomb-sniffing dogs, rooftop patrols and the nypd helicopters part of the effort to insure safety for the one million revelers expected to pack into times square tonight. and front and center the potential for demonstrations against the nypd. let's go straight to rosa flores he's in a chilly times square this morning, good morning, rosa. >> good morning, poppy. here's the biggest take-away for the everyday reveler that's
going to be paying attention to haas happening on the stages or waiting for the ball to drop nothing is going to change the experience won't change. but will things change behind the scenes? absolutely of course. the nypd telling us they're going to have extra eyes and ears on the ground. they're also going to be monitoring social media. heavily, why? well because of the increased threats coming to social media towards police officers. all of this of course following the ambush and killing of two of their own. now, that has also triggered protests around the city. so hear this -- for five weeks they've had a specific team dedicated to just for these protests they're going to have those officers on standby as well. again poppy for the regular reveler that's going to be here with their family hoping to ring in the new year, the experience shouldn't change. poppy? >> it is a wonderful night, i've been down there many a new year's eve. have a great time rosa happy new year to you.
thank you for that and to all of you watching you're invited to cnn's new year's party. our anderson cooper will try to keep it together and hold down the fort as the one and only kathy griffin does her thing. watch it unfold live from times square new year's eve begins here at 9:00 eastern. >> pack your patience folks, if you're going down to that rosa called them pens people in pens. >> you can't get out. >> use the restroom before you go. >> they're serious about security. the wait is almost over for the college football fans. andy scholes is in new orleans covering the sugar bowl. you have the best job at cnn right now. new orleans for new year's? not fair. >> not a bad place to be tonight, right, guys? and us sports people are not only calling this new year's eve. we're calling it college football playoff eve as well. i was walking around in new
orleans in the french all you see is football fans gearing up for a good time. in the sugar bowl here in new orleans, it's a match-up that features two of the most successful college coaches over the last decade nick saban and urban meyer. they've won five of the last eight national championships. rose bowl is being called eded heisman against heisman. marcus mariota against jameis winston. >> this is a part of sports history. not just college football history. >> it's fantastic because i mean why not alabama, why not being there, why not be one of the teams that's always making history. >> that's not enough. i want to be the starting quarterback in the playoff game. we lose and we got to go home and hope to play next year. we want to keep this train moving. >> in other college football news jim harbaugh now officially the new football coach of the university of
michigan. the school introduced him yesterday. just two days after parting ways with the san francisco 49ers. after the news conference harbaugh made an appearance at michigan's basketball game. called the return do his alma mater a homecoming for him and his family. harbaugh is going to make more than $5 million a year to coach the wolverines less than the record deal many expected woe sign. guys back here in new orleans, all quiet right now in the french quarter. i'm sure everyone is sleeping resting up. getting ready to go hard here tonight on bourbon and in the french quarter. >> we hope you are well prepared. because they go hard. look at that face it's no going to look the same tomorrow. >> he's not going to be able to make a sound during these games, john berman a fate worse than death. >> get well john berman. we're following developments in the crash of airasia flight 8501. will the search and rescue teams
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and its victims. here to discuss the challenges ahead is cnn safety analyst and former faa safety inspector david soucie. they've called off the search because the weather is too bad. the weather has been bad for several days now. that's why we're talking about this missing plane. this is the zone we're talking about. i want it talk about the debris location. when you look at the flight path and then where the debris location is. what does it tell bus what may have happened in the last moments of that flight? >> something interesting about the flight path to me is where the debris is located. versus the last position that we knew the aircraft was to be. so if you notice it comes back around the other direction. so this could tell us two things. either a stall situation in which there's not a lot of control. with where you come out. or he made an attempt to turn back around to get out of the thunderstorm. but in doing so he actually put, if he did that. it would actually put himself into a even more difficult
situation. >> let's talk about the currents in the area. that's an issue right now for both where the debris is floating where the debris is and how difficult it will be for them to recover more bodies. let's look at the currents, we can pile it on and you can see how the currents may be pushing this into borneo. >> the currents in this benefit is the fact that it's only 100 feet deep. but the bad thing about that is that the currents are higher when it's that shallow. so -- >> it's rougher. >> yes. and air france 447, whatever went to the bottom stayed on the bottom. in this situation, the only thing that's going to stay object on the bottom in this area are the really heavy things the engines, landing gear the hard solid pieces of metal. >> what do you make of the fact that in the recovery zone we've found seven bodies and a few pieces of the wreckage. things that would float from the interior of an airplane. >> it's too early for me to say it's conclusive in any way. however what concerns me is there's not much debris here. all we see is the slide, the
raft the -- >> do you think that means a mostly intact plane on the bottom of the ocean? >> i do. the fact that it's there means there was some kind of breach, but now we've got no debris. >> we talked about the depth. so the depth in the water, about 100 feet for 850 1. it's fascinating when you layer on the other crashes that have made news air france 447, 12,000 feet. air france in the case of this flight this flight just 100 feet. found in three days. you look at how long it took two years to find air france 447. and an unknown amount of time to find mh370. >> not only the depth of the water, but to think about how far away from supplies and how far away from the coast, that's what helped as well in finding the aircraft so quickly. it's only 100 feet away from the
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gun-related deaths of police officers in the united states rose a staggering 56% last year according to the national law en enforcement officers memorial fund. the mayor of new york city met tuesday with police union leaders, they have been sharply critical of him since the assassination of two nypd officers about two weeks ago. what can be done to repair the relationship and should police and law enforcement around the country be on alert for such attacks? joining me founder of cassel associates nicholas cassel and errol of the let's talk about
the talk that was had between the mayor of new york city sitting down with the police commissioner and union leaders in an effort to heal the rift that seems to have been widening. errol do you think this is a step in the right direction? >> well yes, i think they needed on both sides, to really show the public that they could act like adults, the reality is that the political folks, the mayor and his staff as well as the union leaders know how bad they look. beyond a certain point. the normal give and take of politics in new york beyond a certain point it seems as if nobody is in charge and that's untenable. i don't think anybody wants that. i think both sides realize that that starts to have an effect on public safety. if the public feels that the people who are entrusted with keeping the city safe are bickering, fighting not doing
the job, then there's a real problem and i think they both sides realize that. at a minimum they have to at least put on a good show. >> it's not going to happen overnight, obviously the rift wasn't a day in the making it won't be a day in the oping. so do you think the mayor is doing enough? >> the mayor is not doing enough he's not looking for a common ground to come together. i said right away when we went to the funeral of police officer ramos, everybody was waiting for him to say the "a" word apology, he didn't. i don't believe the city is any less safe. the city is as safe as it's going to be. the police officers are still going to take police action and risk their lives to save their fellow citizen. what we have here is a mayor who had the opportunity and failed to grasp it. he should not have been the focal point of dealing with patty lynch. patty lynch is a brilliant person.
>> one of the union leaders. >> patrolman's benevolence. what he should have occurred is that the mayor should have had bill bratton negotiate this out, with patty lynch and he should have stood in reserve. he should have come in when they locked horns and there was no potential for settlement. as long as patty lynch and bill bratton are negotiating, they're both cops and they're going to come to a common ground the mayor would then take credit for bringing the sides together. >> you know you make a good point. because bill bratton had sort of said look if you ask me ask any mayor, there's no mayor that hasn't had the police sort of upset with him at one point. errol, is this par for the course? help people get a little context about what's going on here. is there an historical rift in new york city that outsiders are not aware of? >> i think what outsiders can
almost never grasp is there are 35,000 cops in new york. >> a lot of police officers. >> it's percentagewise much greater than los angeles or any other big city. i've heard of them referred to as their own nation state. intelligence officers they have a very proud tradition and so you have to approach them any mayor has to approach them very gently.intelligent intelligently. >> this is not the low point of police relationship to city hall. i think the low point was 1992 when cops rioted on the steps of city hall. >> remember yankee stadium in the '70s, fear city. so you know you could go back to the days of that. but you're right. >> what do we do to heal? we can't -- here's the question if we keep sort of pointing the finger at either the men and women in blue that turn their backs on the mayor and some are calling that a sign of absolute
disrespect for the mayor. and then if we keep putting pointing fingers at the mayor saying you shouldn't have sort of put yourself inserted yourself in this story. yet others will say he has a black son. every parent who has a black son is going to be concerned. if we don't withdraw from that we're going to keep repeating it no nick? >> that is correct. the mark of a good leader is to apologize, you know i mean to paraphrase grant, mark of a good general is not to fire his enemies, but to fire his friends, what he has done here is he has taken bill bratton, a very good police commissioner police commissioner the city likes and taken him out of the equation by stepping in and dealing with the union and paddy lynch. how do we get this back going again? >> and to be fair another piece of this is that there's been a multi-year reform process, it's involved the courts and a lot of different things the city has never been safer. but that means policing has to
change. there's been a lot of political and legal pressure to do that. it's why mayor de blasio was elected. and the police unions including pat lynch, up for re-election as president of his union next year they're going to have to step up and treat this not just as a workplace dispute but as important public policy discussion. >> i'm going to make a bold prediction for 2015. we're going to be back talking about this. thanks for joining me. thank you for having a conversation that was reasonable and intelligent. we appreciate you very much. we're certainly following a lot of news this morning, let's get right to it. the first two victims have just arrived. >> a stark in your face reminder of the human tragedy here. >> i'm the leader of this company and i have to take responsibility. >> objects thought to be from the plane may have been spotted by sonar. >> if it's whole, that means there's was an attempt to land the aircraft. >> you think it did fall belly-first. >> i think the plane stalled.
>> clearly the aircraft has ruptured. >> the industry needs to know urgently what went wrong. good morning, welcome to "new day," it is wednesday, december 31st the last day of the year, i'm michaela pereira, christine romans is here. and happy new year to poppy harlow who is here. and we want to welcome the viewers around the u.s. and across the globe. some in new zealand already celebrating 2015. we want to begin with breaking news out of indonesia. wreckage believed to be from flight airasia flight 8501 has been found on the bottom of the java sea. it's believed that the sonar was used to find it. rough weather has halted the search for today. and may impact the search efforts in the next few days. airasia's ceo saying the weather forecast is not looking good.
heartbreak as four more bodies were pulled from the water. at least ten victims now recovered. and an emotional scene as the bodies two of people arrived at a naval base in surabaya where officials are working to identify them. >> we're covering all the angles of the story. and we begin with gary tuchman live from the naval air base in surabaya indonesia. gary? >> christine, hello to you. ten victims have now been recovered. which means there are 152 souls who have not been recovered. and in addition to that there's the matter of the so-called black boxes, the voice and data recorder that they hope to find eventually. but the top priority is finding the bodies of all the people who are aboard this flight. we know of the ten people nine were passengers and one was a flight attendant and that is known because she had her flight attendant's uniform on when she was recovered. right now it's pouring rain it's been very foggy, smoggy
the waters have been rough and the search was called off. it's now nighttime, they wouldn't be searching at this point, anyway but they're hoping to resume again tomorrow on the first day of 2015. but the search so far has been very difficult. this morning, the first group of recovered passengers arriving in surabaya. in an aemotional ceremony in caskets marked 001 and 002 as indonesian authorities focus on pinpointing the last known location of airasia flight 8501 officials confirming sonar imagery locating wreckage believed to be from the aircraft at the bottom of the java sea. >> what part of the airplane are there, the wings, the tail, to sort to try to understand whether the plane broke newspaper flight or remained intact. >> other reports suggest the plane may be lying upside-down according to the"the wall street journal" journal". >> on tuesday, the recovery team
bringing pieces of debris onshore along with six passengers and the flight attendant. authorities faced with a gruesome task. recovering more passengers from the wreckage and identifying the bodies. some still hold on to hope one woman with six family members on board telling cnn there's nothing confirmed as far as what happened to the passengers and we're still hoping there is a miracle and they survive. at the crisis center here in surabaya relatives gather for a prayer service inside the airport. next the hunt for clues. answers as to what brought down air asia 8501. likely contained in the flight's data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder. located in the tail section of the aircraft. >> i'm hoping by first thing next week we're going to have a very clear picture of what happened to this airplane. because the industry absolutely needs to know urgently what went
wrong. >> what keeps haunting me as i'm reporting this is that many of these people went on this airasia plane on sunday because they wanted to go to singapore to celebrate new year's. now here in indonesia, we're five hours away from the stroke of midnight and the year 2015 and it just so sad. for the family members who are behind me in this crisis center where they've been talking with counselors and watching newscasts and getting information. many of them most of them are leaving as we speak. they're moving the crisis center from here at the airport to a hospital about an hour away from here, because that's where the bodyies of their loved ones will be brought. >> that's where they want to be. gary tuchman, thank you so much for that this morning and all your reporting all night long. joining me are cnn aviation analyst and former inspector general of the u.s. department of transportation mary sciavo who represents families of victims of airplane crashes and miles o'brien.
there is this reporting from the scene that is a bit conflicting and confusing, you have investigators telling us that sonar has located what they believe to be the plane and you have the ceo of airasia, tony fernandez saying there's no confirmation they've used sonar to confirm what they're seeing down there is the plane. what do you make of this? often in these kinds of disasters the reporting can be conflicting and it can change and there are a lot of people who have access to a lot of different information. what do you make of that contradiction this morning? >> i think you summed it up well christine. as you well know you've got all kinds of jurisdictions involved. the company, the governments, the fishermen on the water. everybody is saying something. and it's very difficult to sort these things out. in the middle of it. i think what we should take away however is that clearly this site wherever it is is in shallow water. and is something this is not going to be too terribly difficult to find. you know you were on with david soucie a little while ago. when you consider the depth
here, 100 feet or 140 feet whatever you can scuba dive at those depths we're not talking about something several thousand feet deep. so the idea that it's going to take a hugely long time to find the black boxes, the flight data recordered and the cockpit voice recorder something we should put aside and we'll get the information quickly. there will be a lot of confusion until that happens. >> mary you talk about the fact that you can put a diver in the water, it's 100 feet deep. but there are a lot of waves, it's foggy monsoon conditions they are right to be patient and go slow. they think they know where the plane is they're starting to bring bodies back. but they have to make sure there are no other injuries or fatalities here. >> that's right. and they're going to go slow with the black boxes if they have the plane, if rear part of the fuselage is intact they'll have pretty good idea where things are and then they can keep the priority on bringing home the remains. on getting those bodies.
because if the storm breaks up the plane and there's further dissipation, it's going to be harder to recover the bodies first and foremost. much less the black boxes, so i think going slowly now, waiting out the bad weather is probably the best course of action. >> many of our experts are saying now there are ten bodies that have been recovered, at least 10 but most of those bodies have not been recovered. i guess the assumption among our experts is that many of those people are still strapped into their seats, is that what you would be assuming at this moment? >> yes. and we've seen that in other water accidents in the past. twa 800, air france 447. some people will be right there in their seats and of course they would have been given the command by the pilot in that bad weather, to buckle down and give it an extra tug. so that's what we expect and that's what we find in many accidents like this. >> miles, let's talk about the debris found about 60 miles from the last known location of the flight. when you look at the map and you see where the debris field or
the debris that has been found is, what does that tell you as a pilot about what those pilots might have been trying to do from the moment that there was the last radar sighting the moment there was the call asking to ascend and it was denied. to the moment that the plane went down. >> you know, we got to be a little bit careful here in using that radar information to draw a lot of conclusions about this. i think the difference between where the debris is found and where ultimately the aircraft is found at the bottom of the sea is very important. because that will tell you what was falling off the airplane and when. did it break up did portions of it fall off because of turbulence or hail or some strange excursion of the flight because they were trying to handle it in a difficult weather situation. or did it was it able to largely drop from the sky intact? was it sort of an aerodynamic
stall as we saw in the case of air france 447. but yes, what's really important here is that the size the debris field is really key to come up with an idea as to whether it broke up in flight. one thing which i think we should be asking for and skt authorities for is there's plenty of primary radar coverage in that part of the world and going back to twa 800, they didn't have a lot of evidence from the black boxes because it was so sudden. one of the things that helped them determine what happened. they used primary radar he tle could see big pieces radar returns of the aircraft as it broke up mid air. that could be a useful thing as well. >> you talk about useful information, mary. one thing that i, i'm struck by this is not macabre curiosity about what happened to this plane. what happened to this plane is incredibly important to recreate in a simulator so we know what happened and it doesn't happen again. >> that's right, going through literally piece by piece, step
by step and the air accident investigators do that. and in fact we do that when we take the case late oern. we literally have to recreate the flight. we do computer simulations, we go through every sound in the cockpit. we put it on top of the flight data recorder so you can have a picture with literally hundreds if not thousands of inputs of data to make it very clear. in the old days they used to say the only thing that would be gone after the accident like this would be evidence of icing. but that's not true any more because the ice protection warning systems on the plane. so even that would be recorded in the black box if there was some sort of icing problem with the pido tubes or the attitude indicator. >> after the twa flight 800, after that they put together almost 95% of that plane. that was a remarkable feat that told them a lot about what happened. >> right. i don't think you'll see that in this case. in the case of twa 800, there was just virtually no information on the black boxes, it was so sudden. so they were really at wit's end
trying to figure out what happened there. i suspect in this case it won't be necessary. >> miles o'brien, thank you very much and mary sciavo thank you so much. breaking overnight in southern california more than 100 drivers trapped on a snowy highway have just been rescued. a car accident led to major delays during a winter storm happening there. by the time the accident was cleared, many cars were just unable to get out. thanks to a foot of snow. we want to turn to sarah side ner live along the foothills of the san bernardino national forest. >> what you can't see right now, there are gusts of wind that keep coming through here very strong gusts of wind. people say, a foot of snow what's the big deal? even with our vehicle, we could not even get up near to where the rescue was happening because every now and then you get these gusts and our car is literally getting pushed across the road.
imagine that with the road icy. with just a enough snow to make your car move around and that's what happened. some people got into an accident, they find themselves stranded. the sfloe comes in and then they're stuck. so that's what happened. and we are glad to hear that all 139 people who needed to be rescued because the temperatures have dropped quite a bit, too. we're in the foothills of the san bernardino mountains. and it is chilly here. and you know for los angeles, and for california this is really cold for a lot of folks. and so people were scared they were calling the rescuers. now they have been rescued. they're in a shelter in a church. they're going to have to probably stay there overnight and for a while, because they've got to get this cleaned up. they're still some cars that are stranded out there and they did close for a while, the road that leads up to the mountains. a lot of folks just going up there for fun, it's going to be new year's eve night. but this did not turn out the way they expected it to.
>> good work on the part of san bernardino county fire getting those people home or at least to safety and then hopefully they'll get home. sara thanks so much. we know that the national weather service has warned that tonight is going to be the coldest night of the season in los angeles. #l.a.cold. we're watching because the folks at the rose parade, it's going to drop down to freezing. >> some of the people in cars were coming back from the ski trip. had ski boots, ski gloves skis. they had everything they needed. >> poppy harlow has other headlines for us this morning. good morning, everyone edmonton alberta hit by the worst mass violence it had seen in almost 60 years. a plan described as depressed going on a rampage. shooting and killing eight people in two separate locations. before turning the gun on himself. police say a domestic dispute triggered the violence with a woman killed monday and seven others killed on tuesday including two children. we are being told the gunman's family had actually contacted the police they were looking
for him when all of this occurred. investigators say the death toll could rise in the fire that dramatic fire off of greece's adriatic coast on the ferry. there's is confusion, because officials say migrants may have stowed away on the ship. so far, 11 people are confirmed dead. dozens more could still be missing and officials are working to reconcile a passenger list with each and every person who was rescued and who was on board. and severe weather flu is now an epidemic here in the united states. the center force disease control says the flu is widespread in 36 states. 15 children have died from the flu across nine states in september. part of the concern, officials said recently the flu vaccine this year that millions of us already got is not a very good match for this year's strain of flu, we'll have more on that coming up later this hour. and be mindful, if you see some pricey bottles of red and white wine on the black market. if you're shopping for wine on
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sonar equipment may have found objects believed to be from airasia flight 8501 at the bottom of the java sea. the u.s. now has a second naval ship the "uss fort worth" at the port of singapore, ready to deploy in the recovery effort. joining me to discuss what goes on and what goes into a mission like this is retired u.s. army general and cnn military analyst general spider marks. good to have you here and a happy new year to you. >> thank you, michaela you as well. >> let's talk about this we know there are u.s. assets one on scene, the "uss sampson" we know the "uss fort worth" is ready to deploy in singapore to aid in this. what will the focus of the u.s. military assets be? >> well that's a great question.
primarily this is an intelligence-collection capability. once that's taken care of then it becomes, once you've refined the area that you want to search and clearly in the midst of all of that there is this ongoing effort to recover bodies which makes, puts a very very human face on all of this. what the u.s. brings to bear is an incredible intelligence capability and an incredible logistics capability. one of the pieces of kit that's going to show up that has not been mentioned yet. which is a p-8 poe siden, an anti-submarine warfare aircraft. a fixed-wing aircraft. which has an immense capability. its mission is to find heavy metal objects under the water. so it will be a perfect match for this mission set and it's brand new. it just came out about a year ago. the u.s. has a finite number of those, it's a very capable. it can fly over the ocean, land-based and its downlinked
capabilities to any one of the ships that will be in the area will allow us to have a great intelligence picture and to refine the search area. >> so interesting to hear you keep using that word -- intelligence. because when we talk to you mostly. we talk about intelligence from a perspective of military operations for example in afghanistan or iraq or syria. and in terms of countersurveillance or things like that but this intelligence is one of a different nature isn't it? >> it is but these capabilities clearly fit the requirements we're looking at right here. it gives us a very broad sweep of the area. it allows us and the key issue in this it allows us to narrow the search area. so you can eliminate areas where you don't want to spend time and precious resources and it really allows you to focus in and get precise, very deep and very persistent is what you want to be able to do. once this search allows for the identification of a very refined area and we begin to uncover
some of this the mystery surrounding the loss of this aircraft now you're into a very large logistics mission as well. and the united states can certain help. but indonesians have the lead in this michaela and we'll support them in that. >> because logistics are so key. we know what massive and emotional operation it is for the indonesians who made up the bulk of the passenger manifest. so we understand the obviously have a great interest in leading this investigation. but you have all of these other nations, talk about the coordination of that when we come the u.s. comes with their military assets to aid, we've got our helicopters flying that's a massive logistic operation. >> it truly is. and what you have in that part of the world is nations that have worked together routinely. but there is no overarching apparatus in place, much like would you see in europe with nato. where you have preexisting procedures things fall in
place, scenarios have been worked out, and people start doing things automatically to support and to lean in if you will. in this particular case it is based on the willingness of the participants, but certainly you have that with the indonesians, the malaysians the thais, they have worked together before but it's based on a loose structure. the united states comes in what they're able to do since they the united states has very strong bilateral relationships with each one of these nations, that they are able to come in and be the glue that allows the lead nation to get the job done. >> i'm curious, we obviously the u.s. is willing to assist in a matter such as this. we have great relations with these nations, et cetera. do we does the u.s. offer, is the u.s. requested to come in and help? how does that negotiation happen? >> yeah what happens in this particular case is certainly when an incident like this occurs the united states immediately makes an offer to assist and this is what it looks
like. they have certain capabilities. they also have command and control, they have access to satellite capabilities which many of these nations do not have. and then we have a sharing and a transparency that takes place, we offer simultaneously the request comes forward so there's an agreement in place that says -- when these kinds of conditions occur, the united states will routinely step up. and what's wonderful about the united states obviously, is that this is a nation that really leans in effectively and as a matter of routine. you don't see a number of other nations right now similarly that have an interest leaning forward to make this work. >> we certainly have the capabilities great to know that the u.s. is sending assistance much-needed assistance at a time that's so difficult for indonesia. it's very personal it's very personal to all of us when we see an airliner go down full of families young people children fiancees missionaries et cetera. general spider marks, we appreciate your perspective and zwrens intelligence thanks so much.
wreckage possibly belonging to the flight airasia flight 8501 possibly detected on the bottom of the java sea, the latest developments information coming in right now in a live report. plus was the sony hack an inside job? all along american officials have been pointing the finger at north korea. did the u.s. jump the gun? we're breaking it down coming up.
sonar equipment may have located wreckage believed to be from the plane on the bottom of the java sea. four more bodies have been recovered, bringing the total number to at least ten, two of the victims' bodies have arrived in surabaya for identification. bad weather hampering search efforts which have been called off for the day. divers hope to get back in the water soon. but airasia's ceo says the weather forecast for the next few days is not looking good. for more we want to get to gary tuchman live in indonesia. i know they're awaiting more bodies to be returned there in caskets in a similar ceremony like we saw earlier today. >> we saw an incredibly moving ceremony a few hours ago. here in naval air base that's right behind the airport where we're standing now. the airport where all these people 162 people took off on sunday. on the ill-fated flight. what it was, was an indonesian air force plane landed and aboard the plane were two
caskets. the first two victims who were found in the water. they were taken off the airplane the caskets had number 001 and 002, they did not know their names. they the still don't know the names. it was an honor guard of more than 100 army air force and naval troops here in indonesia. they loaded the caskets on to hearses, which were brought to a police hospital about an hour away and that's where their bodies will be identified. now behind me is a crisis center here at the airport. that's where family members have been gathering to seek help to seek solace. one of the most valuable things they've had is each other. the families are all going through the same thing and that gives an immense amount of comfort. but the crisis center is closing down because they're having families go to this hospital. that's where they hope all the bodies are brought. that's a great concern amongst the family members that their family members' bodies won't be
found. that's all they can hope for as we come to a new year. christine? >> gary tuchman, thank you for that. michaela? was the sony hack attack an inside job? the fbi has said all along that north korea was responsible for the cyberattack on sony pictures last month. however, a private security firm a cybersecurity firm says it has evidence that it collected that points to an inside job. u.s. officials pushing back saying the firm only focused on a narrow slice of the information and intelligence. what do we make of all of this? >> i want to ask howard schmidt. a former cybersecurity czar in the obama administration. he is a partner at ridge schmidt cyber, llc. thank you for joining us howard. >> good morning, and happy new year to you, too, as well happy to you here. >> we have to make sense of all of this it's interesting that despite seeing this evidence that data scientists
cyberscientists, if you will that point to a possible inside job, the fbi is maintaining their assertion that it was north korea that was behind this hack. what do you make of that? >> well i think there's a number of things number one, when the fbi goes in and looks at the evidence that has been widely publicized now, they look at it as one piece of a big investigation. and most cases, they would not even be able to say, yes or no on something. they would maintain where they're at. while they analyze the information in the background. and that's pretty much the m.o. because you don't confirm or deny that you're doing something, that's just that you're reviewing things. >> this norris company this private cybersecurity firm. essentially met with fbi agents and with the fbi and data scientists in st. louis. they believe that several people including a person that they say is a former sony employee. is responsible for the hack they
say that this person had worked at sony. for ten years, was laid off in may. was disgruntled and behind this attack. they say they have cyberevidence, if you will to that effect. does that square with you? does that seem viable? >> it does seem viable. and ever since the beginning of this i really hesitate to jump out and say, this particular group or this particular nation state was responsible for this. when there's other pieces out there. and this is one of the pieces when you start looking at the initial emails the information was stolen. it went back to the company and said you start paying us money. and it just didn't fit to being a nation-state retaliating against a movie type. then we look at other experts in this. that know how the hacker community work and have been deeply involved in it and some of my close friends have been saying yeah something just doesn't seem right on this. >> could it be a third option a third viable option that we're
not looking at? it makes me wonder we're so curious and anxious for answers, not just the media, but people at home maybe employees of sony who found their information compromised. people trying to see this movie, "the interview." because we're rushing to find an answer for this are we sort of jumping ahead of the proper process to find this story out? >> and that's the big concern. because most of russ looking at this and say just slow down a little bit. digital evidence is extremely difficult to extract. situations where it looks like the data coming from a particular internet protocol an address somewhere, that has been used in past by a north korea. well that doesn't mean that they're the only ones that have exclusive use to it. the malware that was installed. once again, that's widely available out there. so you really have to take a step back as i'm sure they are in the background and analyze every piece of this and then see where it's going to lead them.
>> hindsight is 20/20. should the u.s. or the fbi, should we have held our cards closer to the vest initially and not come out with sort of a finger-point? or was that bluster maybe necessary, considering what's going on geopolitically? >> well there's two phases to this. there's the one where in hindsight, why wasn't the intelligence community that we've seen that had so much discussion about in recent times, why weren't they watching, if indeed it was north korea. watching them and saying sony they're planning something against you. they're developing some malware and stuff. that's part number one. secondly when you look at the activity that's taking place right now with the intelligence agencies and the criminal side and the push i've been there and i've been there where it says we need to know now, the president needs to know and so there's some leadway, if would
you, with circumstance making it look more formidable. >> and the white house is standing by the fbi's assertion that this was north korea. you've been there before what does this now look like in terms of the next days weeks, months what issed proper process that we should be seeing? >> well i think all along, the fbi investigators have been doing it. although forced into a corner if somebody along the line happened to say, well it is indeed 100% north korea. but they'll continue to take leads, they'll continue to hear from people. we're starting to see the security community, my colleagues out there are doing their own analysis which is really interesting. that's group recently said they conducted the first hack and then gave the information to the second group. so these sort of things are more leads, they'll follow them up and hopefully within the next month or so we'll be able to get the true facts and either refute the issue of involvement with north korea, or to substantiate
it. >> well howard schmidt it seems like it's not as simple as following the bouncing ball. thank you for walking through this with us. again safe and happy new year to you, howard. >> happy new year thank you. wreckage from the missing airasia flight possibly detected on the bottom of the java sea, the search has been halted by rough weather. when can it resume? we'll have the latest details from indonesia. gaining ground in the u.s. 15 children have died from the flu this year. what can you do to keep you and your family safe? (vo) nourished. rescued. protected. given new hope. during the subaru "share the love" event, subaru owners feel it, too. because when you take home a new subaru we donate 250 dollars to helping those in need. we'll have given 50 million dollars over seven years. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru.
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than we have and the predominant strain that we're seeing out in the community. so that does mean that the flu vaccine might be less effective on that particular strain. but it is very likely that the flu vaccine will give some protection. and this is very important. so in answer to your first question people still should get some protection. and remember some protection is better than none. so that's really important. i think the answer to the second question is if you haven't gotten your flu vaccine because of the answer to the first question i would say absolutely go out and get it because again, some protection is better than none. >> still get the flu vaccine. and many public schools, you're not going to be able to start in the spring after christmas and holidays if you don't have those flu shots and the paperwork for it let me ask you, we can show a map of where it is most prevalent. you can see in the southeast where it's a little bit warmer it seems to be most prevalent. they're calling this an epidemic why are we seeing it more in these states do you think? >> we're seeing it the flu activity right now is quite
widespread. there are a number of states that are experiencing that activity. first of all, it's the mismatch that we've been talking about, playing a role into what we're seeing. the predominant strain that we're seeing out in the community is the influence of h3n2 virus. we know this particular strain tends to cause more severe illness, can cause higher rates of deaths and hospitalizations compared to other flu strains. but this as well as other variables i do think is playing a role. so you know i think what we also need to keep in mind is that the flu season we're still smack-tap in the middle of it. the flu season can go as late as may. we have a lot of time to see what's going to happen and how the trends work. >> a lot of people talking about the flu shot the flu vaccine. a lot of people debating whether they should get the flu shot. some people angry, that maybe it won't work for them. the most important thing is to wash your hands, stay away from
people who are sick. give us the common sense advice you can't control the flu vaccine. but you can control other things. >> that's absolutely right. and you know you mentioned some of the most important ones. hand-washing by far, number one is one of the best things that we can do to prevent illness. washing your hands with soap and water if you don't have soap and water, get a good alcohol-based hand sanitizer. that should work as well make sure that if you're sick, that you're staying home don't go to work don't go to school and spread it around. simple things if you're coughing or sneezing rather than coughing and sneezing into your hand and then touching a doorknob. make sure you're coughing or sneezing into a tissue or your elbow. prevention is very important. i would also say the other thing that's important, if you do experience flu symptoms it's not that we can't do anything about it. if you come down with the flu. we do have anti-virals and if taken within roughly two days of
symptoms they can be very helpful. you want to call your doctor if that happens. >> do you think science is keeping up with how quickly the virus seems to be changing and? i mean who is winning, the science or the viruses? >> well you know i'll tell you every year sometimes it's a little bit different. as scientists they make their best guesses for figuring out which strains are going to be predominant for the next season. and there's a lot of science and math and brains that go behind trying to make that prediction. but the truth of the matter is that sometimes we get it right and sometimes it's off a little bit. that's why all this prevention is very helpful. and still, yes, get the flu shot. that's very important. >> dr. jennifer kaudle. good advice. we want to get to poppy harlow for the day's other top stories. new york city about to ring in 2015 with a huge party. but it will happen under intense security. heavily-armed counterterrorism teams, bomb-sniffing dogs
rooftop patrols and nypd helicopters, just part of it. all for this massive effort to keep the expected one million revelers heading to times square tonight, safe. there's also another thing that is possibly going to happen there's potential for more demonstrations. against the nypd rosa flores is live in times square with more. what are we expecting? >> good morning, poppy you know the biggest take-away is for the regular reveler that's going to be in one of these pens that's going to be paying attention to the different stages and of course the people that are going to be looking for the iconic crystal ball to fall ringing in the new year nothing is going to change. because here's what we hear from the nypd. will things change behind the scenes? of course they will. why? because of the increase in the number of threats against the nypd. they tell us that since the
killing of those two police officers, they've seen an increase in the number of threats coming in through social media they're going to be monitoring social media heavily. that is also triggered protests. and so what's going to happen they're also going to have a team that specifically dedicated only to respond to protests. they've had that team for about five weeks. that team will be here. but again, poppy, the biggest take-aways is for the regular revelers. some people have arrived, you can see around me nothing is going to change because today is about celebrating the new year here in new york city. >> it is and all the professionals on the ground do an excellent job of keeping everyone safe. it's a fun night, rosa i know you have a long day ahead. but enjoy ringing it in tonight in times square. all of you invited to join us here at cnn for our new year's party. anderson cooper will try to keep it together hold down the fort as the outrageous kathy griffin pushes each and every one of his buttons. watch it unfold tonight live from times square it begins at
9:00 eastern. michaela will be there. >> i just got word from don lemon and brooke baldwin they're going to be in new orleans. >> and people in memphis and cuba. you'll want to tune in. other top stories we're following. republican lead remembers ringing in the new year with damage control after third-ranking house republican steve scalise admitted he did give a speech to a white supremicist group in 2002. house speaker john boehner says he is standing by him. some incouraging news from the american cancer society, cancer deaths in the united states have fallen 22% over the past two decades. that drop has saved the lives of 1.5 million americans. researchers credit several factors including the decline in the number of americans smoking, better treatment and awareness
and early methods of detection. and police saw right through one would-be robber's paper-thin lie and busted him using this evidence. eric allegedly tried to rob a pizza parlor with a note saying that he had a gun and demanding $300. police searched his home and found a roll of toilet paper with an exact impression of the note he had with him at the pizza shop. fray was arrested. >> is that toilet paper that he wrote it on. >> i don't even know lesson learned -- don't write your note on toilet paper, and don't do it at all. searchers looking for airasia flight 8501 believe they found the wreckage. what challenges are the crews facing? all of this changing, developing information this morning.
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you've been corg this with us over the past few days. let's get first to the headline numerous reports that sonar has detected what is believed to be the poddy of the plane on the bottom, about 100 feet down in the java sea. the ceo of airasia is saying that is not confirmed yet. he's being careful which is smart after the confusion after mh370 and saying we do not have that yet. earlier on the show jeff wigs said if they had a side scan done by sonar it would be very clear and there wouldn't be any am big dput. is it possible there is confusion or ambiguity? >> yes, and jeff depends on the frequency. if it's a lower frequency, it is less it could be a bright mark on the picture. if it's higher you get a much clearer almost picture of what's down there. and that being said there's a lot of debris down there, there's potential, this is world war ii was fought here so
there's potential of a lot of stuff. >> you're talking about possibly other planes even from the war? >> ease him i don't know the exact history of this if there are any battles fought here but things are scuttled pushed over modern day wrecks all sorts of debris on the bottom. sonar will give you a bright object it's a hard hit, if you take a long range picture. you have to take accurate pictures. we don't know if this is a low res or high res. >> you have perspective of people to be this search now. talk how clear the images would be are they taken from a plane, are they all done from the ships? how accurate a reading can we get from the best sonar? >> the sight scan sonar is taken in the water. in order to take pictures of anything underwater it's like taking a picture of a camera. if i took a picture of you 00 yards away i wouldn't see you,
but 40 yards away depending on the lens. sonar you have to bring it down. >> proximity matters. >> yes, you have to bring it down there. it has to be towed or run on an av. but that being said the imagery, i can pick out divers swimming so depending on the frequency and how close you are it's extremely accurate. >> the important search and the focus is on the victims, people getting home to their final place of rest and that dignity for them and for their families. after that it's the black boxes, the flight data recorder the cockpit voice recorder. given the region how efily traveled and shipping region it is how important and difficult is it to find the black boxes? it took years after air france 447. >> it's sound. you're listening for sound in heavy trafficked areas, props from propellers on boats to even
thunderstorms make sound, you have biological, it's shallow water, crabs make noise, everything makes background static noise. >> it's an audio search, not visual. for them well? >> i think if they sonar assets line them up in the water while we have good water. they'll put every asset they can. if they're looking with the sound there's a possibility of looking with hydrophones, they're common. we have them. >> we have to go but before we do the race for the beep, the pings not to end as we saw throughout the search for mh370. are we talking about 30 days here? >> i would think within a week or less. again weather is a big issue and eventually the salvage in the rainy season the weather may create heavy seas but creates bad visibility with runoffs. diver also have problems. this is a long-term project but finding it and scanning it and the bodies and recovery are of
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stalled. >>. >> the industry needs to know urgently what went wrong. >> good morning, and welcome to "new day." it is wednesday the 31st day of december. it is 8:00 in the east i'm michaela pereira alongside my friend and colleague christine romans. poppy harlow is also with us. we welcome our viewers from around the united states and across the globe. we want to turn right now to the breaking news that we have been tracking in the crash of airasia 8501. wreckage may have been found at the bottom of the java sea, this development a day after debris and bodies of the victims were recovered on the surface of the water. rough winds, rain and surf halted today's search. they may very well do the same for the next several days. poor weather is being forecasted in that region. a heart-wrenching night for families anxiously awaiting the fate of their loved ones. ten victims now recovered from the water. the first two arrived back in surabaya this morning. as you can imagine, relatives
taking the news very very hard. people have been heard yelling, screaming, wailing, some cases they are quiet, they are just quietly grieving as the latest developments come in. we're covering the story from all angles. gary tuchman is live from the naval airbase in surabaya indonesia. gary? >> reporter: christine, here in surabaya a weird thing taking place, four hours away from the year 2015 and we hear new year's fireworks all over the city and that happiness when you juxtapose it with what's going on at the airport and with the city with so many families the gloom and the sadness, it's a little hard to take right now. it does not feel quite so festive for the new year. glad some people are festive or this would be entirely too sad. that being said what makes it more difficult is the fact that while people have recognized the family members that the loved ones most likely have died the recovery of bodies has gone
slowly because the weather conditions have been so poor while there are ships and planes on the scene in the java sea, divers have not been able to go under. the reason it's important, they recovered bodies still 152 souls not accounted for. it's believed by some of the people leading the search that people may still be strapped to their seats in the bottom of the sea. it's only 100 feet deep but the conditions sore rough scuba divers have not been able to do their work. this has been a very eventful and sad day. this morning the first group of recovered passengers arriving in surabaya in an emotional ceremony in caskets marked 001 and 002. this is indonesian authorities focus and pinpointing the exact location of airasia flight 8501 officials confirming sonar imagery located wreckage believed to be from the aircraft submerged at the bottom of the java sea. >> what is of particular interest is what parts of the
airplane are there, the wings, the tile to sort of try to understand whether the plane broke up in flight or remained intact. >> reporter: others reports suggest the plane may be lying upside down according to "the wall street journal." on tuesday, recovery teams bring in pieces of debris ashore along with the remains of six passengers and a flight attendant. authorities now faced with a grew some task recovering more of the passengers from the wreckage and identifying the bodies for grief-stricken families but some still hold onto hope. one woman with six family members on board telling cnn, there is nothing confirmed as far as what happened to the passengers and we are still hoping there is a miracle, and they survive. at the crisis center here in surabaya relatives gather for a prayer service inside the airport. next, the hunt for clues. answers as to what brought down airasia 8501.
the black boxes located in the tail section of the aircraft. >> i'm hoping by first thing next week that we're going to have a very clear picture of what happened to this airplane because the industry absolutely needs to know urgency what went wrong. >> reporter: so many unbelievably sad stories. i talked to one gentleman today whose mother sister brother-in-law two nieces and a nephew were all on the plane. he still can't even believe this is real. we have been told that five more of the victims, their bodies will be brought to that same naval airbase later tonight. christine? >> a difficult assignment and what a difficult story to tell. gary tuchman, thank you. the total number of victims from the crash increasing overnight as gary said to ten. two bodies were put in coffins and taken to a naval airbase in surabaya where officials are working to identify remains. we go to paula hancocks joining
us by phone from indonesia. >> hello, christine. i've just arrived outside the military base in the town on the west coast of borneo. this is the first port of call for these bodies once they're pulled out of the water, they're brought here to the island the closest to where the crash location is to be treated and to have the initial identification. the crash location's about 110 nautical miles from here. it was incredibly difficult, the weather has been awful. our flight was delayed by about three hours. we know that the search and rescue operation has been postponed and stopped and started throughout the day because of the bad weather, and according to the chief executive of airasia, this could carry on for the next couple of days. the next two or three days we could see heavy rain, we could see high waves which is of course very detrimental to try to recover some of those bodies.
now, what happens here is that the victims are brought here and then they are treated, we understand taken to a nearby hospital. the initial identification can be done for example, is there any i.d. cards on them any jewelry, any identifying marks, the clothes they're wearing. the bereaved and grieved families have already been asked for many information and many asked for photos of their loved ones so of course the initial photo identification can be done here as well and then they are flown on to surabaya where those families are waiting. >> paula hancocks, thank you. ten bodies recovered from flight 8501. michaela? >> for more we are joined by cnn aviation analyst and former inspector-general of the u.s. department of transportation mary schiavo. importantly we should point out she represents victims and families after airline disasters. we'll speak to her in a second and with me former faa inspector
david soucie he has a book out about why it's only a matter of time this happens again. the search and rescue efforts being being hampered by the weather. there's about 155 bodies that are left inside that plane. talk to us about the importance of what this sonar detection could be the fuselage that could be there at the bottom of the java sea. >> it's very important for the families and of course for the searchers, because now that they think they have an indication of where it is they can put their emphasis, their assets resource manpower on first of all recovering the bodies and then literally they can send down divers to get the black boxes. they may not even need to worry about listening for the pingers et cetera if they get them by simply finding them in the future large of the plane.
it's going to greatly speed up not only the process of finding out what happened but also the recovery of the bodies. now the storm is particularly different since the fuselage is breached because some bodies have gotten out. the storm will stir that out and may lodge free more pieces of the wreckage and more human remains, so storm is not good news but the finding of the wreckage supposedly is very good news. >> we can understand the concern about not sending search and rescue people in there because they don't want further casualties. david, investigators are hoping that they might be lucky as mary said that they're able to send divers down once they locate the fuselage. they're hoping for the tail section of the plane to be intact so they can get that all-important flight data recorder correct in. >> correct. if you remember the first pictures with he had of the blue box, the blue case turns out it wasn't from the passengers what that is is a suitcase used to put in the back of the aircraft and that has light bulbs and anything that the pilots might need if they have to lapped the
aircraft somewhere else other than their maintenance base and it was intact. it was completely intact and it's just forward of where these black boxes are located so i feel that these black boxes will be in great condition and these are the answers to the questions. >> the retrieval of these data recorders is vital. >> absolutely. >> you want to make sure they're not compromised so that the data is not compromised. it's a careful and safe and meticulous operation to recover them. >> it is and we have the capability now of actually getting the information off of it without sending it back to the home locations. the reason they don't do that is because if the cell itself is breached, and saltwater gets into it we're talking about taking your laptop and sticking it in the saltwater, so because of that, you put it in a container, you put it in a pressurized container if it's deep water. you keep it in its environment until you can fully rinse every
bit of salt that might be in there off because that will damage the electronic components. >> we see how that does to our electronics. mary you represented families members of victims of plane crashes. this is important for to us talk about. indonesia is not part of the montreal convention a treaty that offers payments from airlines compensation around $17,000, did i get that right? indonesia follows the warsaw convention of 1929 which only offers compensation of about $8,300. now we've heard the ceo, tony fernandez, who has been vocal about his support, the airline's support of what they're going to do to compensate and to support the families of these victims. i'm curious, what kind of compensation do you think or not even that so much do you feel that the airline is going to step up and support these families? >> well i certainly hope so and
yes, the international aviation laws are a mismatch a patchwork quilt of everything from very current laws to antiquated laws and some countries follow the montreal treaty some the warsaw and each have different levels of compensation the mod he were version of montreal is the compensation is equivalent to what the family lost wages plus everything else and warsaw is a set amount. the problem for the airline is the airline at some point is going to lose control, and they're going to lose control of this case to the lawyers for their insurance company. and they will be setting the standard once this initial phase is passed they will and it's right in their insurance contracts, they will rest a lot of the control from the airline, and i've dealt with this particular insurer many many times, and you know they can be tough, and they can be rather cheap. they can really put the, clamp
down on what they will pay out. it will be up to the airline to remind the insurance company they really work for them and they want to treat their families like family. >> yes, like family and we think about that mary the thing that's so sobering 162 lives lost but so many of those people from the very same families. gary tuchman was telling us about. thanks to you, mary schiavo and david soucie. we have another developing story in southern california more than 100 drivers rescued after being trapped on a snowcovered highway in the san bernardino mountains after a car accident left them nowhere to go and a foot of snow piled on while they were waiting. want to get to is asara sidnor. they were quick and precise and moved 130 people off those roads, sarah. >> reporter: that's right. lot of people go a foot of snow
what is the big deal? things got slippery and there have been strong strong gusts of wind that come here comes another one, every few minutes, that managed to push some of the cars so we're also feeling it. we're in the foothills, not up into the mountain because we could also get stranded as we tried to go exactly where the rescue is happening or was happening, but certainly we're seeing people come down from the higher elevations and their car has, you know, the snowcover on it. these 139 people were in their cars they could not move around. they were slipping and sliding all over the place. they were scared and calling for rescue. that rescue did happen, many of them we're told are going to be staying in a church in a shelter until it becomes light, until they're able to clear the roads. for a while the road was closed and this has been quite a bit of a mess. where it isn't snowing, it's been really gusty winds and it is very cold and as you know in this part of the country, a lot
of folks not used to it getting this cold even though it is new year's eve. michaela? >> new year's eve, thanks sara sidner for that. poppy harlow has the days other top stories. >> good morning to you, good morning to everyone at home. thanks for joining us. one of our top stories, police shot and killed a man in suburban philadelphia who they say tried to run them over with his car. they say they were trying to arrest the 52-year-old after he posted an online video threatening to kill police officers as well as fbi agents. his death comes a little more than a week after a man who made similar threats shot and then killed two nypd police officers in their patrol car, then he shot and killed himself in a subway station. a high-ranking leader of al shabab was killed by a u.s. air strike overnight in somalia. abdi shaku was head of the group's intelligence unit believed to be responsible for
suicide attacks in mogadishu. there were no civilian casualties in the mission. the u.n. security council rejecting for a resolution calling for israel to abandon palestinian territories. the u.s. was among the nations to vote it down saying negotiations dialogue are the only way to solve the ages-old conflict >> it is new year's eve here in the u.s. but in some parts of the world they're already ringing in 2015. let me show you great pictures australia kind of always does it best. look at those images that country rang in 2015 at the top of the hour just about 15 minutes ago. some regions still enjoying their final hour of 2014 there in australia. parts of the far east including japan and south korea will usher in the new year at 10:00 eastern this morning our time. here in new york we're less than 16 hours away from the big party. >> can't say that because i need to get a six-hour nap in before
all this happens. >> michaela pereira will be -- are you going to be the moderator between kathy griffin and anderson cooper? >> i think so but i'll clear the way and stand down with millions of our friends in times square instead and watch from afar. >> true confession until this year i've taped that and replayed it when i want to. but now the 8-year-old is onto me. he knows and wants to watch the ball drop at midnight. we'll see. it starts at 9:00. >> 9:00 new year's eve live with anderson cooper and kathy griffin. it is tv you don't want to miss. >> absolutely. we are going to continue to follow the latest developments in the search for airasia flight 85. one of our experts will weigh in on what we know and what we don't and they'll answer some of your questions. john boehner lending his support to the house majority whip skeef scalise who spoke to a white racist group in 2002. will boehner's support cost him his new post to the congress?
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objects that could be from airasia 8501 may have been located on the bottom of the java sea. divers were hampered by rough weather and more of the same is on the way for tomorrow. there are many questions about what happened to the airasia flight. we want to get to the about the tom of what we do and don't know sort through all of this and answer some questions you have been sending us over twitter. les abend is a commercial airline pilot and contributing editor of "flying" magazine. jeff weiss is a science, author of "extreme fear." the contradiction this morning that investigators there on the ground saying they have located with sonar what they believe to
be the plane, but the ceo of the company that owns the aircraft airasia saying there is no confirmation yet. in situations like this in disasters, there's often conflicting information. lot of people hold little pieces of that whole puzzle. do you think, les, that's what we're seeing here a lot of different pieces of information being held by different officials? >> absolutely. and this is all part of the investigation process. you get little fragments, little pieces of evidence and people go with it one way or another. i think the ceo is being very strategic and very smart about saying that yes indeed that might be it. he's got some credible sources for his information. >> and you just want to make sure the information people are get something correct because the families are listening to every word and want new information. ten bodies jeff. you would like to know sort of where these bodies were found. that would help you understand sort of what the site looks like. >> it's tantalizing because we seem to be getting information
coming in slowly bit by bit, it's fragmentary. we don't know where the new bodies have been found. we know little about the actual position information. what we're trying to what we'd like to see is a more comprehensive picture of where the debris is being located, that will give us a sense of what kind of accident it might have been. obviously this is early in the process. the investigators are under no obligation to release everything that they know and not supposed to release everything they know but we as the public are watching this with baitedted breath. we know so much more what happened to the plane than a few days ago yet we're halted can't move forward because of the bad weather. it's tough. >> we need the black boxes, with he need to see the flight data recorder. parts of the plane were located on sonar at the bottom of the java sea. we don't know how large the parts are, where they are or their orientation on the sea
floor. there's still a lot of conflicting information along those lines. that will take clearer weather to clear up won't it? >> it seems like the weather is getting better every night, and if they know where this debris is underneath the surface, using gps it should be fairly straightforward matter to go out there in the middle of the night, put the underwater equipment down and get those images. we just don't know. there this is pure speculation on my part just now. >> i think some of the, depending upon the protocol as gruesome the task as it may be the autopsy also start revealing some of that evidence too, depending upon if there's salt as we probably discussed before the saltwater in the lungs, that will give a little bit of evidence what might have happened to the airplane. >> it is gruesome but it will help to determine what this mystery was. we know the debris from the plane was found in the ocean 100 to 200 kilometers from the last location but we don't know if the final resting place of the plane is close to the debris field. when we get more of that information we will be able to
see what the pilots might have been thinking where they might have been trying to turn around. how long after that last request for a climb in altitude before something terrible went wrong? ? if they were turning around or if they were being subject to some sort of mechanical issue with the airplane that they were trying to rectify maybe by turning around it's hard to say if that's exactly what happens happening. they may have been experiencing some severe turbulence perhaps or like i mentioned something going wrong with their displays on the instrument panel. >> let me ask you a twitter question we got in specifically as a pilot, what this pilot might have been thinking. we talked about how he asked to change altitude to climb over the storm. this twitter user wants to know would it have made a difference if the pilot was allowed to increase altitude? >> we don't know. the radar gave a picture that may have some data we could see
if it has some memory. it may have. it's hard to say. he may have just been experiencing a rough ride at higher altitude which is a typical request. >> another twitter question jeff some of the debris we've pulled out of the ocean and ten bodies of those on board in light of that one of our twitter followers asked how crucial is it to secure this evidence with investigators prior to any potential mishandling by rescuers? are the rescuers trained to treat this stuff as forensic evidence? >> the answer is we don't -- fishermen, this is a very populous country, percentage of the population gets their living from the sea. fishermen will be kris-crossing this area and so ideally yes you'll have trained rescuers pulling this material out. and it's been subjected to the elements for all this time. it's not really a secure crime accident investigation area. >> by the nature of the accident it can't be. you've got, just you want to get as much evidence as you possibly
can as quickly as you can. >> for instance there was some footage, unfortunate footage of a body floating without clothes, just underwear. we don't know did the clothes get removed as it fell through the air, was it something that happened in the ocean. there's so much that happened in the last three or four days. >> one of the things that concerns me is the fact that there was no communication at all after that last radar contact, and that would mean to me that there was something serious going on. in other words if they were having a controlled flight situation, at some point they would have been able to simply key the mike switch on their yoke switches on this airplane it's a stick but they would have been able to get something out, we've got a problem, we're going to attempt ditching, whatever it is so that concerns me. >> we need those black boxes to hear what happened. gentlemen, thank you so much >> we do need the black boxes, so true. more of our coverage of the search for airasia flight 8501 we're live on the ground with what is going on right now. also here stateside a top
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good morning. you are watching "new day." developments overnight in the crash of airasia flight 8501. objects spotted on the bottom of the sea could well be the wreckage of the plane. the total recovered is at least ten. two of the bodies of victims have arrived at surabaya for identification. somber ceremonies are happening when they arrive. five more will soon follow. in the meantime bad weather is hampering search efforts, forcing them to end early today. more bad weather is on the way we're told tomorrow. let's head right now to gary tuchman who has been there for the somber ceremonies as the bodies are brought back to surabaya. gary? >> reporter: michaela one of the problems this is monsoon season here in indonesia, and it's often very bad weather conditions so the searchers are very concerned about how this
search mission is going to go. right now they have recovered as you said ten bodies but that still means there are 152 people on the plane they have not recovered yet and what a leader of the search effort is telling us is that most likely he believes that many if not most of these people are still strapped to their seats on the bottom of the java sea. the java sea is not very deep. as a matter of fact the deepest depth is less than much of the great lakes in the united states, only about 100 feet. so you can actually have a scuba diver go down there, you you don't need special robots to go down there. you can scuba, go down there and see what you have to see but because of the conditions -- i flew in earlier today from another indonesian island bali to here and it was very smoggy very turbulent. you could see the waves boiling, it was a big problem. it was clear to me from the air. because of that although planes and ships have been out there, the divers haven't been able to go down and many of the people
were talking they believe the only way they'll be able to recover most or all of the bodies is for the divers to go down and do that. as you said, though we had a ceremony today for the first two victims, another ceremony for the next five a total of ten and the work will continue tomorrow on the first day of the new year. >> a sober way to start the beginning of a new year. they want to make sure the weather is cooperating so that they're not putting any more lives in danger. gary tuchman, you've been doing a tremendous job for us thank you so much >> it is new year's eve and new york city is getting to ring in 2015 under skigt security. counter-terror teams, bomb-sniffing dogs are in place to keep 1 million revelers safe. the nypd planning for possible demonstrations. rosa floor cess live in times square with more. good morning, rosa. >> reporter: good morning, christine. take a look around me. some of the revelers already arriving from all around the world.
now some of these bins still empty because it's early right now but look around here's what we know. for the everyday reveler, nothing will change here in new york city in times square but behind the scenes the nypd does tell us they will have heightened security they will have more officers out on the streets and also be monitoring social media very closely. why? because of the increased threats against police officers after two of their own were ambushed and killed. now that has also sparked protests so the nypd tell us that they do have a specific detail ready to go at a moment's notice if some of those situations arise. lot of the stages will be packed. lot of people will be around and the focus will be right behind me the drop of the new year's eve ball. christine? >> a long day ahead for any revelers starting to show up now. thanks so much rosa flores. you are invited to ring in the new year with cnn.
anderson cooper will do this best to keep his composure in this one on one that only kathy griffin can give him when she does her thing. watch it unfold live from times square new year's eve begins at 9:00 eastern on cnn. it is unforgettable. over to poppy, hi poppy. >> time for the five things you need to know for your "new day." number one, four more victims bodies have been pulled from the water where flight 8501 crashed bringing the number of known victims to ten. the wreckage that may be the planes that been found at the bottom of the java sea. more than 100 people had to be rescued after being trapped in their cars on a snow-covered highway in southern california. all of the drivers are safe and have been taken to a local shelter. u.s. law enforcement officials are denying sony hack's theory suggesting it was an inside job, this comes after a review from a cyber security firm that expressed doubt that the hack was actually carried out by north korea. and house majority whip
steve scalise acknowledged he made a mistake when he gave a speech to a white supremacist group in 2002. the louisiana congressman is getting support from house speaker john boehner. severe flu now an epidemic in the u.s. the centers for disease control says the flu is widespread in 36 states. 15 children have died from the flu across nine of those states since the fall. and we are always updating the five things you need to know go to newday.com for the latest. >> poppy, thanks. wash your hands. gop leader john boehner says he's backing a congressman who spoke before a white supremacist group. could the support cost boehner politically? our panel is in. immeasurable. the america red cross brings hope and help to people in need every 8 minutes every day. so this season give something that means something.
good to have you back with us here on "new day." republican leadership in damage control mode after majority whip steve scalise admitted he addressed a white supremacist group in 2002. scalise says he now regrets speaking to the group. house speaker john boehner standing by him. we've got a few days before the gop-led congress convenes. is supporting scalise really the right move for boehner? let's discuss it all with republican strategist tara setmayer and host of "huff post live" mr. marc lamont hill.
happy new year. >> happy new year. >> why not have one nor political discussion. tara i got to start with you. scalise came out and issued a statement, i'll pa practice phrase he wholeheartedly condemns a group whose views that he apparently didn't mean to support. it was a mistake, i heregret it and oppose the religious views groups like these hold. he maintains he knew nothing about david duke and his connection to the kkk, et cetera et cetera. he is the number three republican in louisiana. he's got to know the groups he's speaking to. >> back then he was a state representative in use lies and look i am not going to defend steve scalise speaking in front of this group but it's important to note he didn't necessarily support the group. at the time he was going around the state pushing for a tax reform bill. he did a favor for a political friend of his who was a neighbor so he claims he didn't know. i find that to be somewhat not
credible. however, that doesn't mean he was supporting the group. he was doing what politicians do which is kind of a wink and a nod and saying i need these votes, i'm not going to pay attention to what you really believe. i need these votes. the problem that he does have and i think that personally steve scalise should not be in leadership anymore. when you make a decision like this and it was a lapse in judgment or poor judgment you need to pay a price for it and for the republicans to have someone that has this racial baggage now whether it's fair or not, this is not something the republicans need going into the new congress it's a distraction. for steve scalise, i worked on capitol hill for many years, i was a communications director. he's a good guy that we never had a problem with him but unfortunately -- >> except for going to the kkk meetings he's a great guy. >> that's not fair marc he condemned it. >> i don't know steve and if i were guessing i'd say he's probably a great guy. i don't think he's a white
supremacist. if he had said he is racist we would say a black guy said he's racist. we don't pay attention to when they say he's not a racist. republicans don't point to black people pointing out racism. i don't take the inverse but the bigger issue for me is he would make a decision to go there. i don't believe he didn't know. the question becomes what are you willing to concede in terms of ideology for votes for friends or social met york snetworks. >> i agree, both sides. >> i find that troublesome. the other thing steve scalise has to worry about is the fact a lot of republicans don't like nim anyway because of him not challenging obama on federal amnesty, on other executive actions. so people are looking for an excuse to push him out. >> they might have gotten it. >> they got a great christmas present. >> some say that steve scalise
is a tea party guy but a little too toesy with the establishment republicans. there was controversy over whether steve scalise is a good representative of the conservative values and movement on that side of the house. it may reignite that. >> let me discuss other layer. you talk about the fact this is a party that is working to be more inclusive and incorporate more minorities you got three people here who can talk about that clearly. i want to know about this support that he seems to be getting in pretty large doses from house speaker john boehner. this to me is very interesting, considering we're about to head in the new year what does that mean to you, and do you think that that is a dangerous game for boehner to be playing? >> i don't know if it's dangerous. i think that it's ill-advised. i think it's unfortunate that the speaker has decided not to take a position of principle here. it's this idea of this everything is just so political. it adds to the skepticism that people have of politicians, and i think that's unfortunate.
this was an opportunity for to us actually hold ourselves to a higher standard because if it was the other way around republicans would be camping about this but there's also a double standard in how we in the media and other places handle this too. there are way worst things robert byrd representative fulbright. >> he didn't do it in 2014. >> he was the grand wizard of the kkk, way worse. >> it happened 70 years ago. lots of people were in the kkk in 1946. >> final point, marc? >> we're more outranld about robert byrd being in the kkk. if you believe boehner's position he thinks this say one-time thing and a mistake, you have to hold your ground here otherwise he'll have a long two years of caving on every bit of media pressure he gets. >> if anything else comes out, this is bad for boehner so i hope for everybody's sake this say one-time shot and it goes away fine but i think that steve scalise should have stepped down from leadership.
>> tara marc one last consideration with you politically, end of the year happy new year to you both. be well. tomorrow is 2015 which is just before 2016 so we'll have lots to talk about. >> roger ebert's legacy is explored in "life itself" the new cnn film. we sit down with the director who gives us an inside look at ebert's life.
film "life itself" makes its global tv debut here on cnn this sunday night. it dives into film critic roger ebert's life his relationships and his fight against cancer. john berman sat down with the director steve james starting with the discussion of ebert's inspiring love story with his wife, chaz. >> so it's about a man, in this movie, but also about to me at least a couple of relationships, a couple of amazing relationships. there's this love story with chaz. >> yes. >> which is just beautiful. >> yes. >> she is the love of my life. she saved me from the fate of living out my life alone, which is where i seem to be heading. >> to be able to witness that up close was to see the depth of that relationship was astounding and the love and the sort of connection that they had. i mean that was, you know i can't think of a more inspiring relationship and for me as someone who has done a lot of
films about race over the years, to kind of see this interracial marriage too, that was so remarkable for what it didn't matter that they were black and white, that's what was so amazing. >> it was love pure love for a long time and through an awful lot of different things. the other relationship is the famous relationship with gene siskel. >> this is roger ebert from the "chicago sun times." >> and gene siskel channel 2 news. >> they didn't like each other for a lot of the time and at the beginning chaz would tell you for the first six years or so of that professional relationship they really didn't like each other at all because they were competitors for different newspapers. they came from different backgrounds but you know what's interesting is as that relationship went on professionally it became more complicated, and it's not like a hollywood version, where they went from vitriol to love. it wasn't that pure and wasn't that simple but they didn't come to kind of love each other in their own way, even while
they were still very competitive. >> and even the way that when gene siskel died i think you know i was not aware that roger ebert did not know for a long time. >> you know it's really interesting, because even in the way in which they both approached fatal illness and death, they did it differently, but both with a tremendous amount of courage, and a perfectly honorable and beautiful way. gene intensely private, and roger, because of the way it happened with gene making this decision that if this should ever befall him, he wanted not to lead it publicly out of an ego sense but to share it with the people he cared about and he ended up sharing it with the people that followed him in a way that was intensely moving and educational. >> do you have any doubts or concerns about showing roger as he was after all the surgeries? because at first, as the viewer
to me at first you're like wow, this man has been through a lot and it's jarring to see what happened to him physically. i forgot about it by the end of the movie. >> that's what i went as a filmmaker. when i started meeting with roger and chaz and i saw him not when he would go out publicly which was always with a black turtleneck which was very stylish and oftentimes with a beautiful scarf, i didn't realize when i saw that public roger that what it was masking essentially, which is, you know he had this hole down here. so when i saw him, you know at home with the white bandage, i at first was like oh my god, i'm not sure how people are going to handle this when they see this in the movie, but then roger smiles and you see that twinkle in his eye and it's like oh that's roger. you get accustomed to it. i wanted the viewer to go through that same process. >> the final question i'm sure you get asked with this all the time how would roger ebert
review this film? >> well, i defer to chaz on this. you know she says that she thinks he would love the movie, and he would love it not because it's about him. he would love it she says because it's the kind of film that he responded to that you know, it's entertaining but it's emotional, and it's honest. >> making a film about a man who was so in love with films, that's a big challenge. >> yes. don't miss it, the cnn film "life itself" about my friend i can say that and my mentor roger ebert, sunday night at 9:00 p.m. so as 2014 comes to a close, we're going to take a look back at some of the biggest stories of the year the most unforgettable moments for the three of us, when we come back.
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we'll never follow. we thought we'd take a moment to reflect on the unforgettable moments of 2014. i'll start because i think it is probably obvious to a lot of people i'm biracial so ferguson and eric garner and all of these stories of racial unrest and identity and the police all of this has resonated so profoundly with me because my partner of ten years is african-american his nephews are african-american teenagers and i've worked with at-risk youth, kids that are stopped and frisked. >> it will continue in the new year. for me it was ebola, covering ebola and the fact that it is still raging and we're not talking about it enough. you still have 19,000 people with the disease in west africa 8,000 deaths. when it came to this country we talked about it a lot and controversy over the people who went over to help and came home and some brought the disease and those are real heroes certainly of 2014. >> and the big story i've covered this year is the economy that is recovering and i don't
want to make light of the two big important stories but this is something that i hope will be helping people everybody next year lower gas prices jobs coming back the stock market has helped rich people it's helped investors. we want it to broaden out so everyone has a better chance. >> to a better 2015. >> time for "newsroom" with carol costello. >> happy new year to all of you, too. newsroom starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we begin this hour with the search for answers in the airasia plane crash and the heartbreaking return of its first victims. here is the haunting image, as stark as it is simple wooden boxes bearing bleak numbers, 001 and 002, the first of 162 people that need to be