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one jokester added you think he was about -- ♪ let's get it on >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thanks so much for joining us. ac 360 begins right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. right now searchers are battling some of the roughest conditions imaginable, racing to find more pieces of airasia 8501, with some reports saying crews have located the plane's tail section and potentially black boxes. later we'll tell you the story of the girl who is the only survivor of a plane crash that claimed the lives of sister, parents and a cousin. how the 7-year-old girl crawled through the cold and dark woods more than a mile to get to safety. plus what potential jurors saw and heard as the alleged boston marathon bomber goes on trial. we begin with breaking news and all the other major develops. airasia investigation recovery effort. the search getting back under way after very rough weather put a stop to it yesterday. a captain in the indonesian navy
reportedly said the tail section might -- we say might have been found. if confirmed, which so far it's not, it would be a major development. because, obviously, the tail is where the airliner's cockpit and flight data recorders are located. the investigation tonight yielding new theories about why the airbus a-320 fell from the sky over a week ago on its way to singapore. what triggered the crash, indonesian officials pointing to engine icing as it flew through brutal weather that's caused so much trouble for recovery crews. kyung lah has the latest. what are you learning? >> reporter: we're learning that there is extensive work happening in jakarta to prepare for the next phase of the investigation. that being analysis of what is found at sea. there are going to be two laboratories here looking at that. the first will be a dna lab.
that lab, if people cannot be positively identified in the search zone, those remains will be brought here. families over the last ten days have been giving dna samples. the other one, the critical one will be looking at the wreckage, which will be reassembled once it's all recovered here in a russian hangar. what happened to the plane, was there pressure malfunction? how was the experience on the plane? what kind of force was experienced on the plane? a and, of course, anderson, the final moments in the cockpit, voice recorders telling people, the investigators here, why there was no distres call. the other being what happened with the data, the data recorder, telling us about the final moments aboard that plane. anderson? >> kyungh, there are questions whether the airplane had
authorization to fly that particular route on sunday. correct? >> reporter: there is an extensive probe, trying to look at this exact question. what we have learned is that airasia was allowed to fly this particular route four days a week, but not on sunday. why? that capacity was near capacity. it did not have the right to fly on sunday yet managed somehow without permits to take off. so, this is raising some alarm bells, not just about airasia, but indonesian air safety overall, this probe looking at who allowed it to take off, why was it allowed to take off and why did no one stop it? anderson? >> kyung lah, thank you. paula cox was aboard one of the search vessels. she joins us now. search for the wreckage, the victims, has been slowed down, as you said, from this rough weather. what was it like to be out there on a search vessel?
>> reporter: anderson, you can see it's gorgeous here but it's 100 nautical miles at least to that search location. the conditions deteriorate rapidly once you get out ton to the open sea, the java sea. you can see the swell. there were bursts of rain. although we understand that that could get worse as the week goes on. you can see how difficult it would be for the divers to be able to get into that water and, as we know, divers have said they've been in and they had zero visibility, which obviously is no way to work when you're trying to search for bodies and debris. i was standing on the deck with the crew. they were looking out to see if they could spot anything. it is incredibly challenging. you see something, which could be rubbish, seaweed and a second later it disappears behind a wave. it doesn't always reappear. it really is incredibly challenging for these teams to try to find things floating on the water. one of the crew members did spot something. they called it in.
they wasn't sure what it was. another ship went to the area and found a seat. so, certainly, eyes on does help. anderson? >> how long does it take to get out to the area by ship and how long do the ships stay out there for? >> the search we were on was a search and rescue vessel. we were basically dropping off a pinger locater to one of the larger ships. the larger ships can cope with these conditions far better. they can stay out on site which, of course, is vital so that they have as many daylight hours as possible. with a spotlight they can work through the nights as well. smaller boats are resupplying them, taking the much-needed equipment to be able to get under the water and see and hear what's down there. the captain of the ship i was on was nervous. he said he had a moral dilemma. he had a responsibility to those
on board to keep them safe and also had a responsibility to look for debris or bodies. any other situation, he would not have gone out on those waters. >> paula hancocks, appreciate your efforts. thank you very much. few people know the challenges of conducting this kind of search better than david gallo. a cnn analyst and he joins us now with cnn safety analysis david susi, flight 370, why it disappeared and it's only a matter of time before it happens again. in the monsoon season in this area, i think, goes until april. >> yes. they'll be looking for any opportunity they can to make whatever searches they can. they know they're in the right area. that is the only piece of encouraging news. the reports of sonar, reuters reporting sonar has located the aft section or tail section of the plane. it's just a question now of managing to get down and actually see what is real and
what is not. >> david susi, the report from one ship -- it is just from one ship, that they may have located the tail of the plane, in many ways that is the key to this search. >> it could very well be. however, in this aircraft, it's not the same as the 777 as to where they're both located in the far back tail. these are separated, one in the back of the tail but the other is forward of the restrooms in that aircraft. >> you wouldn't get both? >> they find the tail, not necessarily no. it could be broken off into two parts and completely different areas. so, it's going to be very, very challenging search. >> david gallo, when you're dealing with these kind of conditions -- we saw the rough conditions on the surface, what are divers facing when they try to retrieve something like the black boxes? what are the conditions like underneath? >> it's horrible. visibility near zero. i've heard them say they literally can't see their hand in front of their face. approach something like a fuselage or enter iing it will
absolutely impossible. they'll probably wait till things settle down. i hope these are the pieces of the fuselage, to begin with. >> you talk about the danger for the divers and people who don't dive maybe don't realize. when there's no visibility you're talking about tons of twisted steel that's sticking out from all different directions. divers could easily get caught up on that. >> sure. they could get tied up on a piece of metal or god forbid they get stuck. they have to be able to see them first or a piece of fuselage, they have to be able to work around it. it will be days if not weeks, maybe a month, before the visibility settles down. seas can get calm fairly quickly but this other stuff will take time before it gets much better than it is. >> what do you make of this report that they may not have had the permits to fly on this
particular day, given the high volume of flights? we already know there's a request to change altitude and i think the early reports, at least, one of the reasons that permission was not finally given is because of other flights flying on the same route. >> the reason -- airasia indonesia did have permission to fly every day during the week sbchlt that permission was reduced to four days a week because of the number of capacity. they hit the roof that they were allowed. >> too many planes flying? >> no, no, too many people were running that particular route. the bilateral only allows so many seats per year to be sold. >> so not a question of too many flights in the air at any one time? >> no. question of reducing the number of seats because they were hitting capacity and, therefore, indonesia airasia was -- >> hitting capacity as set by -- >> the agreement between indonesia and singapore that allows airlines to fly this
number of flights. what is extraordinary about this you're told you can fly this many people to x and i can fly this many people to y. what's extraordinary is that the route planner, indonesia airasia wouldn't have known in great detail what he or she is entitled to plan and that the airport, when scheduling the takeoff and landing slots didn't know. >> so it raises questions about the organization of -- or the management of these things? >> i think it's extraordinary that an airline is flying a plane on a day when the regulations says it's not allowed to fly it. and i think what's happening here is you're seeing a difference between airasia, the parent company in malaysia, and these affiliates as they're called, indonesia airasia. >> david, this model airbus,
320, obviously a very popular aircraft type, used by airlines all over the world, including in the united states. >> right. >> supposed to be able to fly through bad weather. i think that's what it has so many people surprised, that it could just fall out of the sky at cruising altitude. >> there was more than bad weather. when you prevent it from getting into these level six, they avoid them. that's how you mitigate and reduce this risk from happening. i just can't fathom how this aircraft was allowed to get into the thunderstorm that far without air traffic control saying something about it. it also goes back to this fact that they didn't have the authority to go. i think richard is spot on on this, except that it goes even deeper than that. remember, they sold tickets to this flight. they knew they couldn't have this flight. but they sold tickets to this flight. and that was allowed not only by
the authorities but also by the airline itself. this goes much deeper than just saying, hey, you can't fly this thing and they say, oh, okay. no, they knew they couldn't fly this thing. it went far enough to where they were selling tickets on a flight that -- >> are you saying this flight should not have even been allowed to take off, not just from the scheduling matter, reaching the limit, but from the weather? they hit this weather relatively close to surabaya, not too long after they were up in the air. >> that's two different issues and i mixed the two in. i want to make sure i cover this piece about the fact that they sold tickets to it. selling tickets to the airline is done months in advance. they knew months in advance that this flight was not going to be available to them. what it tells me is this lack of oversight at indonesian level. why did they not know this and why did they allow it to happen? as far as flying into this weather, i don't see that it should have flown into the weather either.
it should have been around it. i think there was pilot push here and desire to get there when it really had no chance of getting through that storm. >> richard? >> they can hardly say the airline did not have permission to fly on that date. the entire infrastructure in indonesia needed to deal with this we know there have been problems with it in the past. many have been put right. this has raised a very worrying issue. >> richard, thank you, david gallo, susi, thank you, as always. how the families of flight 8501 are holding up. you can only imagine, as search for loved ones searches on. a woman who lost her fiance and turned that loss into an effort to help others going through the same tragedy. later the 7-year-old who emerged from the plane crash that claimed the lives of her
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breaking news tonight. the hunt for airasia flight 8501 is back on after a day on hold because of rough weather. 13 bodies have been identified, including four just today. that process is excruciatingly slow. for those who lost loved ones, simply just horrific. they've had to do their grieving in a kind of limbo, frequently in public and often in addition
to a daily battle for information about the search. gary tuckman has been talking to family members and joins us from surabaya. how are they holding up in the midst of all of this? >> reporter: anderson, it's getting increasingly difficult and increasingly complicated. 125 people are still missing. many of their families in this tent at the family waiting area, police headquarters in town. a lot of the families first few days thought there was a possibility that their loved ones were still alive, maybe got on rafts or on uninhabited islands. that's not far fetched. great majority of them, almost all of them, probably 99%, if you did it by mathematical formula, are uninhabited. they told the families we don't think anyone is alive. the families have accepted that. now they're concerned about another thing. they know that more bodies will be found but there are no guarantees that all the bodies will be found. so many family members are
concerned that their loved ones' bodies might possibly never be found. >> there have been funerals that have already taken place. correct? >> funerals have taken place and many more funerals are being planned as we speak. earlier, we were invited to a funeral home visitation by a very kind family that lost two of their relatives, a mother and her 10-year-old daughter, beautiful little girl named stevie. traditional buddhist visitation. altar was set up. they bowed before it. coffins were behind the altar. they took pieces of paper, folded them up so they look like money and in a traditional buddhist religious ceremony, they took the little pieces of paper, threw them into fire and symbolically, that's supposed to provide for your loved ones in the afterlife. it's very sat and what make it is sadder for this particular family, that's not the only two of the relatives on the plane. little stevie had her father on the plane, grandfather, a
brother, a sister and a sister's fiance and they have not found those people yet. one more thing i need to add, anderson, stevie's mother, her body was found on her birthday. >> and so many families together heading toward vacations, heading on trips all together. whole families wiped out. gary, thank you for joining us. just horrific. i want to bring in someone who went through exactly what some of these families are going through. heidi snow lost her fiance on twa 800. she now runs a support group access, aircraft casualty emotional support services. she found it as a way to help others make their way through this process, a process that any of us really would find hard to imagine. heidi, thank you for being with us again. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> what are these families, at this point, going through? with so many unanswered questions and also, as gary said, the realization that some of their loved ones may never be found. >> yes. all of us at access have the
unenviable credentials of losing loved ones in air disasters. what distinguishes it is the amount of time that it takes. i remember so well-being where these families are now, basically sitting at the ramada inn is where we met to wait for information. and this is a time where we were supposed to give dna samples and try and identify our loved ones and provide pictures and any identifying information we could to help locate them. i remember this -- it was difficult, though, because some people would say, why would you hold on hope when you know that they're gone? when you don't have physical remains, like so many of these families don't and probably won't for a long time, it's really difficult to accept that they're truly gone. as you referenced before, a lot of people still hold on to hope even though their name son the manifest. this can be a very long process. and we found ed access for that reason so people can learn how to get through this it's a very
difficult loss. sometimes we train the airlines on what it's like to go through this so that way they can be there and help the families. what we found is at the grief site a lot of families were wailing. a lot of people were just in complete denial, disbelief and not talking and some families were talking about their loved ones, trying to keep them alive and some people were kind of in a hyper overdrive, trying to stay bussi and helping family members trying to get through this difficult time. the hardest time is when people have to start going home. so, many of them will not have remains to take home with them. and you go home and you still somehow hope that they're living and maybe they swam to an island, as you referenced before. and as much as that doesn't make sense to everybody else, those of us who have been through this before remember having those thoughts until we actually had physical remains and confirmation that our loved ones were on board. >> it's one of the things i've often found in the wake of tragedy, in the wake of great
loss, you know, the first couple of days there's a certain adrenaline. you're surrounded by other people and family members and others gathered. but at that point when you go home and you're back in your life and the rest of the world has continued to move forward and your world has been stopped. and, you know, newscasters use that word closure. i hate that word. >> right. >> there is no such thing, i think, for people who have experienced this kind of loss. >> absolutely. there definitely -- it's very -- there is no closure with something like this. because basically at that moment when they lo learn their loved ones were on that plane, their lives changed forever and they're never going to be that same person. they expected a separation of just days and suddenly the separation is forever. it's so unfathomable at this point for people to accept that their loved ones are truly gone. >> and yet there is -- i mean, your life will never be the same. there is a new life. there is a different kind of future that one can ultimately
embrace. >> and that's what we focus on at access. we like to give people role models so they can see that other people have gotten through this. we match mothers to mothers, siblings to siblings, spouses to spouses and other relationships lost so that they can see that they can get through the next day, the next week when they don't feel like they can. our grief members have been there for a long time. and grief mentors serve as role models to let people know that they can get through this no matter how difficult it is. and it's going to be a hard and long journey for everybody. but our mentors are there. and they're oncall for these families so they don't have to go through it alone. that was so critical for me. i met a fiance who lost her fiance on pan am 83 years earlier. that's when the idea of access became in my -- i went forward and i started talking to people and pairing people up with each
other. and i realized how important it was to have somebody that had been there before to help guide me. and then i extended that to others. >> heidi, i appreciate your strength and helping other people even while dealing with this yourself. thank you for talking with us. >> thank you, anderson. >> the group is access. the sole survivor of a small plane crash in wherein kentucky, you probably heard this story. 7-year-old girl walked nearly a mile in the cold and darkness, knocked on a door, asked for help. it is a remarkable story. we'll take a closer look at the girl's journey, next. ♪ ♪ you're only young once. unless you have a subaru. (announcer) the subaru xv crosstrek. symmetrical all-wheel drive plus 34 mpg. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.
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tragedy, devastated by the loss of four people. it also has, at its center, remarkable story of survival. little girl, 7 years old, survived the crash that killed her parents, her sister and her cousin. that 7-year-old girl then walked three-quarters of a mile all alone through cold, dark woods until she found a house where she knocked on the door and asked for help. >> reporter: larry wilkins can tell you what a miracle sounds like. >> just like that. it wasn't a big loud knock. and i opened the door. got the surprise of my life, you know. >> 7-year-old sailor gutzler had just crawled from her crashed family plane past the bodies of her father, mother, sister and cousin and walked nearly a mile without shoes, in shorts and short sleeves in temperatures in the 30s. >> her nose was bloody. i don't know. i can't say for sure, but i think her lip might have been cut but her little legs is what really got your attention,
because they were striked up all over. >> reporter: to be clear, no one knows exactly the route the young girl took but there's the house she went to for help and here is the woods from which she emerged. so we're going to try and literally figure it out along the way. at first it's easy going on a flat dirt trail. the road didn't last. in fact, it just comes literally to this dead end. and now the next question is, where do you go from here? any direction takes you into deep brush. it's not like i'm looking for the easiest path. there is no path, just dense undergrowth that grabs, trips and stabs. this is really nasty stuff. you can see really sharp needles on here. these are briars. in the darkness, just getting smacked in the face. it's no wonder she was all cut up. but that's just one of many obstacles. >> downed tree limbs everywhere. could be from old storms in the
past, ice storms. remember, she's wearing shorts and short sleeves. there are steep inclines, ditches and an endless number of ways to get seriously hurt. you could easily get a leg caught, snap it, break a bone. you also start walking in circles, since the brush blocks your view of any landmarks. but it's so thick, you can't really get a real sense of direction. i stumble around for a while longer. what a mess. then give up and call out to my photographer, in a kind of marco polo fashion, to find my way back. do you hear me, michael? >> yeah. michael? >> yeah. >> even in daylight i was unable to do what an exceptional 7-year-old managed to do in the dark. >> we want to remind you again, anderson, what darkness looks like out here.
of course, the camera is illuminating the way. this is the brush that she had to navigate through. it's just an example of it. very steep terrain here, coming out of what is just a wall of brush sbchlt she had to do it without any light, without any kind of direction other than she said apparently she could see a street lamp three-quarters of a mile away. the only street lamp apparently in the area. anderson? >> had she gone in a different direction, it might have been a lot farther than that. martin, thanks for the update. sailor's cousin, sierra wilder, died in the crash. she was just 14 years old. she was coming home from vacation with her aunt and uncle and loved to help take care of her younger cousins. her mom, jamie smithlane, joins me on the phone. jamie, i'm so sorry for your loss. i can't imagine what this time is like for you. first of all, how are you? how are your other kids holding up? >> not very good.
very close family. all pulling together we're helping each other out, leaning on each other. we have a lot of kids in the family and we were very close. so, it's very difficult. and the children are doing as well as i think can be expected. >> i know sierra had a birthday coming up. you obviously just had christmas. what do you want people to know about sierra? >> goodness. sierra was so kind to everybody. she looked at the positive in everything. i always said she wore her heart on her sleeve. and i want somebody to take away something good from this and just think, you know, we don't have another tomorrow. you don't know who you're going to not see. you don't know if somebody is going to walk out that door and you're never going to see them again. and that's what all her friends
are saying at school. they thought they had so much time with her, like we did. we thought we had so much more time. i thank god that i got to hug her and kiss her before she left and i got to talk to her on her trip and got some beautiful pictures of her while she was on her trip. you have to come away from this thinking all the little petty stuff in life isn't worth it. you have to love each day like you're never going to see that person again. >> you were able to hug her and kiss her when she left? >> i did. i did. she's a teenager and she doesn't like that. i made sure when she got in marty's jeep and i put her bags in the back and i said you get over here. i made her open that door and gave her a hug and kiss on the cheek. she kind of rolled her eyes at me and i said i love you, you know. she's a teenager and all those kids, you know how they do, eye roll and put their hands across their chest, okay, mom.
go away. you know? >> yeah. >> that's something you can't ever take away. >> i understand she loved to -- she loved dancing? >> she loved dancing and music. the most important things in her life right now was family and friends. >> and she loved close, too, i understand? >> oh, my gosh. she was a girly girl. such a girly girl. and makeup. makeup was a big thing to her right now. she's going through that stage where she wants to look gorgeous wherever she goes. and she had really expensive taste. i told her she either needed to become a doctor or marry one. she was well on her way, i'll tell you that. >> i know there's a term some of her friends have been using when they talk to you, saying that when they talk about her they talk about fly high. >> i think they're saying that with the whole family. this is th town is a very small community and we're very happy
about that. everybody is opening their arms and sending well wishes and all of them are telling everyone to fly high. >> i know there's people praying and thinking about you all around the world. and i just -- there's nothing for me to say other than i'm so sorry for your loss. >> yeah. thank you so much. it's so much appreciated. and they were all beautiful people. that's just something everybody needs to know. this town and this world is going to be so different without all of them. they were all such beautiful, beautiful people, inside and ou out. >> thank you for spending time with us and tell iing us about sierra. appreciate it. >> thank you. thank you. fund-raising site has been set up for sailor gutzler, 7-year-old sole survivor of that crash. we'll put that on our website as well. the day that shattered so many lives but did not break the city of boston is about to be
21-year-old facing 30 counts and a possible death sentence. opening statements are scheduled for january 26th. deborah feyerick will tell us what happened today inside that courtroom and it's going to be a long process. the long process of choosing 12 jurors and six alternates began today. first, i want to look back at how we got here and why this trial carries such high stake force many people. you may find some of the images hard to watch. >> melissa decissa is the 2013 boston marathon champion. >> reporter: monday, april 13th, 2013, beautiful spring day for an iconic american event. and then it happened. [ sound of explosion ] >> at 2:50 pm, a bomb explodes near the marathon finish line. 12 seconds later, another blast a block away. the bombs are pressure cookers filled with nails and bb's,
designed to inflict maximum carnage. casualties number more than 250 over a dozen lose limbs and three are killed, including an 8-year-old boy. that night, president obama speaks to the nation. >> we will find out who did this. we'll find out why they did this. any responsible individuals, any responsible groups will feel the full weight of justice. >> behind the scenes, law enforcement agencies are scrambling to find the culprits and thwart another potential attack. by thursday the fbi is sure they've identified the suspects and take an extremely rare step. >> today, we are enlisting the public's help to identify the two suspects. after a very detailed analysis, photo, video and other evidence, we are releasing photos of these two suspects. they are identified as suspect one and suspect two. they appear to be associated. >> those suspects would later be identified as brothers, the
tsarnaevs, 26-year-old tamerlan and 19-year-old dzhokhar. hours after their photos are made public, they allegedly shoot and kill an m.i.t. police officer in his vehicle on campus. after midnight, they carjack an suv owner who manages to escape and alert authorities, cornering the brothers in watertown. hundreds of law enforcement personnel respond. the tsarnaevs aren't going down without a fight. >> they have explosives, some type of grenades. they're in between houses down here. loud explosion, loud explosion! >> tamerlan is taken down by gunshots. the younger brother flee notice suv and runs over his brother, who later dies at the hospital.
dzhokhar gets away on foot. around 6:00 pm that night a watertown resident discovers a bloodied man hide nth boat in his backyard and immediately calls authorities. law enforcement swarm the man's yard and finally boston bombing suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev surrenders, bloodied, arms raised and with a laser-guided rifle scope trained on his head, he is finally taken into custody. more than 1,000 men and women were summoned for the jury pool. deborah feyerick was in the courtroom as the defense and prosecution begin questioning them. she joins us now. what was this guy's demeanor as you saw him today? >> so interesting, anderson. he looked surprisingly relaxed. he has this long stride, swinging his arms, wearing pressed khakis, black sweater. what's interesting also, he appears -- his hair and beard is rather disheveled.
he sort of is slouched in his chair, looking at the people who some of them could actually render a verdict. it's interesting to watch him, anderson. >> what about the jurors? what happened today with them? >> reporter: they filled out a questionnaire, 100 different questions, including whether they could rule in favor of the death penalty, should the verdict be guilty. this is going to be a long process for them, the judge telling them it's their civic duty. they should be prepared to stay somewhere between three and four months but he emphasized this is very important and justice has to be done. >> we appreciate the update. joining me from the courtroom now is cnn analyst jeffrey toobin. the defense attorneys and prosecutors had talked about some sort of plea agreement. >> only one initial this case, which is the death penalty. sure, he is presumed innocent. those of us who have followed the case, there is no conceivable way he will be acquitted of the underlying crime. >> the evidence is just too great? >> it's completely overwhelming. will he be sentenced to life in prison without parole or to
death? and jiudy clark, lead defense lawyer, has been very successful in the past. >> helping others get plea deals. >> the unibomber. >> right. >> the big difference here, in most of those cases you had a real question about mental competency and you also had problems with proof in some of the cases. here, there's no issue that tsarnaev is insane and there's no issue about whether he did it or not. and the magnitude of the crime is so horrible that there is no way the government is going to agree to anything less than the death sentence here. >> that's why they couldn't come to an agreement? >> that's right. >> that's completely off the table or is it still a possibility? i assume they'll make the case he he was under the sway of his older brother. >> right, that's the only conceivable defense. in pretrial proceedings that's been the theme the defense is clearly trying to exploit. maybe they will get a juror to agree to that, but it's not a
question of insanity. there's no issue that he was mentally ill. so, you know, they may yet win at trial in the sense that they may avoid the death penalty but they certainly, i don't think, will have any chance -- >> do we know much about the evidence that's going to be used against him? >> you just start with the fact that he's in the boat. >> correct. >> with the -- you know, writing those essentially confessions on the edge of the boat. you have the videos of him at the surveillance -- i mean, i am curious to know how they are even going to handle the death -- i'm sorry, the guilt phase of the case. because what are you going to argue? someone else did it? i suppose they can start presenting all the evidence about how the older brother, tamerlan was really the driving force. but can they really say that -- >> tamerlan's wife was never implicated, correct? >> she has never been implicated. no one, i think, knows precisely what she knew and didn't know.
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boston bombings, katherine russell emerged as one of the most mysterious figures. she's barely been seen in public since her husband was named as a suspect and killed days later. many people are convinced she must know crucial details as to how the tsarnaev brothers planned the deadly bombings. she's not talking, at least not publicly. drew griffin reports. >> reporter: immediately after the bombings, katherine russell slipped from public view, disappearing with her small child into the suburban rhode island home of her parents, appearing in public only when summoned for a traffic ticket. to her neighbors, she was living as a ghost, rarely seen and never heard. >> she's trying to get her life back together. she's trying to remain out of
public view. she's trying to figure out who she is and figure out how to raise a daughter whose father was a mass murderer. and that's got to be a challenging task for her and her family. >> reporter: there was always the lingering question, too, of what she did know about her husband and brother-in-law's alleged plot to plant pressure cooker bombs at the boston marathon, bombs investigators believe were at least partially made on the kitchen table of the tiny apartment she shared with tamerlan tsarnaev. katherine russell has never been charged in connection with the bombings. federal prosecutors will not say if russell is a suspect, a witness or simply a noninvolved widow. fo former federal prosecutor, david zlotnik says regardless of what she did or did not know, it is smart for russell to remain silent. >> unless she aided and abetted -- that is, she went out and purchased some item, knowing he might use it to create a bomb or help him in some way in scoping out the marathon, gave
him information, she's not technically guilty of any crime. >> reporter: katherine russell was last seen holding what's believed to be the newest child in the tsarnaev family, her niece, a child of alina tsarnaev, her 24-year-old sister-in-law. alina tsarnaev recently appeared in court on unrelated charges of threatening a romantic rival with a bomb. she has pled not guilty. but by all indications, russell has chosen to be near and with her dead husband's family, living in new jersey, rather than with her parents in rhode island. her last-known apartment was just blocks from the last listed address of alina and bella tsarnaev, her sisters-in-law. tsarnaev family believes tamerlan and dzhokhar, set up, as alina has stated, in some sort of government conspiracy. but katherine russell's feelings remain unknown.
her attorney says she is not talking and will not talk as the family waits for the final chapter of the boston mayrathon bombings to be written. >> has she been cooperative? >> according to authorityies, se has, anderson. they told us, you know, this woman has been very disciplined. the entire family has been very disciplined as to what not to say. they've not spoken in public at all. after the bombings, she reportedly was shocked that her husband and brother-in-law were involved with this. she reportedly gave consent to be interviewed several times by investigators and even reports she gave voluntarily a dna sample. she has not been charged. and that is what many people look to at this point, to say she must not have been involved, as inconceivable as it is, that she didn't know this was going on. >> is it her lawyer saying she's been cooperative or law enforcement saying she's cooperative? >> that's both. her lawyer on the record is saying that, that she has been cooperative.
supposedly, reportedly sat for interviews with investigators and made herself available to them. >> would she be on the witness stand? called as a witness either for the defense or prosecution? do we know? >> we don't know yet. there are some 700 people on the witness list, more than that. it's not been made public. we don't know if she's going to be a witness or there will be any value to the prosecution. it's hard to believe if she did not know what was going on. maybe to the defense. we don't know yet if she will be in court. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. the search is back on for airasia plane after rough weather. we'll tell you what searchers have found and what they hope they are about to find. all the latest developments. we are live in the 9:00 hour all the way till 10:00. hope you stay with us. narrator: this is the storm sea captain: there's a storm comin narrator: that whipped through the turbine which poured... surplus energy into the plant which generously lowered its price and tipped off the house which used all that energy to stay warm through the storm.
good evening. thank you so much for joining us. 9:00 pm here in new york, 9:00 am out on the very stormy java sea where the search is on for airasia flight 8501 and the bodies of those yet recovered. why the airbus a320 fell during the flight from surabaya to singapo singapore. this from indonesian officials, reports as well that the plane's tail section where one of the black boxes is located might have been found. we've yet to confirm that. all the same, there is plenty happening at this hour. the latest from paula