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♪ hello, everyone. our coverage of the terror attacks in france continues here on cnn. welcome to our sure in the u.s. and around the world. >> and i'm michael holmes. thanks for your company, 11:00 a.m. now in paris. and the terror has been gripping that city and all over. not over yet. >> no not over yet. police security forces killed three terror suspects on friday but one suspect remains on the loose after two separate gun battles. >> and one of them the brother cherif kouachi wanted in the massacre killed by police
outside a print shop north of paris on friday. running out apparently gun blazing. >> and the other one amedi cool coulibaly. officers killed him trying to make his way out of the store bringing the standoff to a very violent end. >> police taking absolutely no chances as he ran out of that store shooting him multiple times. police say that his girlfriend was also involved in theky killing of that policewoman. she remains at large.
>> officials say the wife of cherif cherif kouachi and coulibaly killed each other over 500 times last year. >> and the 18-year-old gave himself up wanted in the charlie hebdo case he's now been released turning himself in after looking for him almost immediately. now, he has been released. >> he has. >> a little more details on the circumstances surrounding his release. we hope to be joined by the mayor of paris. do stay tuned for that to issa a terrifying ordeal in france which gripped the entire world.
set the scene for us. i mean what's happening now? just by that kosher supermarket? >> reporter: good morning, isha. if you came here you would have thought it was business as usual. shops are open. people going for jogs. you know people the florist is open you know the coffee shop the newsstand is open. you would have thought that nothing is actually happening until you look over my shoulder and look at the bullet holes on that wall. it's a reminder of so many people of what happened. despite the normality or so people are still in a state of shock. the wounds are still there. we were getting some sort of insight into what happened yesterday. we heard from one person who was inside talking to our affiliate fm tv that he tried to stay by the fright elevator. he tried to convince other
hostages. they wouldn't take the chance he said let's all hide inside the fridge. and that's what they did for five hours. in the last hours getting more and more chilling information. i'm joins by marlene. she is was all here had and heard it all happen. and one of your friends was in there. tell me first, marlee i was speaking to many people and many said we heard gunshots before he went inside. what did you see? what did you hear? >> we heard, first, yes some gunshots. but, it was -- we think that it was inside. it was not outside. and so suddenly -- because i live here. everybody went to the balcony. and outside, and suddenly we heard, you know a lot of panic. everybody got inside the other shop us.
and we heard a lot of people cry help help there is something. and the store was suddenly closed. and usually it's not closed because morning it was sabbath, and here, it's a jewish city all friday morning, usually i go in the store to buy, you know some stuff for the chabot meal. and suddenly the store was closed, and it was not normal. because everybody were shocked from what happened from it two years ago, you know we understood that someone -- something was wrong. and the police came. and suddenly the force, the special force also came.
and they closed area. >> reporter: let me ask you this i know one of your friends, a neighbor was inside at the time. i also know that he had died. and, first of all, our condolences to you and the family. what can you tell us about what you're hearing from the family? what are they saying? >> you know it's a tragedy. it's a tragedy for all french people. for jewish in france and for this family you know. it was -- i did not know he was inside. but i learned this maybe at 11:00 p.m. suddenly i received one text message. and said my friend was inside.
and, you know it's a tragedy. nice family. wife children you know. he went you know normally like each friday morning just to buy something for eating. and, he never come back. it's absolutely tragic what we're hearing. and you live here. so many others it's a jewish community, like you said. do you feel safe? or the people around you, are they still nervous, on edge given the fact that the woman that was inside with the terrorist also is now also on the run? >> first of all, i was a witness, but i also -- i am doctor in clinical psychology i specialize in trauma for the shock of the population of jewish people in france and jewish people here. because it's a jewish city.
we have to take in charge the collective trauma. because it's a collective trauma. it's not one people one family. it's a collective trauma. so this is the first point. and about the woman, we saw yesterday, about 20 minutes after the police came you know the shot came in the store, suddenly we saw all the police under each car. so we understood that they look for someone. so no we didn't feel -- not because of this woman, we just want to live. >> absolutely. you want to be defined, because that what is what we see of
parisians here defined and united. thank you for speaking to us. and again, our condolences to the family and friends of these. i just want to toss it back to you. as you can see, you heard, we're starting to get insight into exactly what happened. clearly, this town is part of paris, still very much wounded, reeling from what happened yesterday, isha. >> issa. thank you. as that woman said you know, it's collective trauma that they're all enjoying at the time like this. >> we want to talk to the deputy mayor of paris patrick goodwin who is on the phone with us. mr. deputy mayor, thanks so much for your time we hear of the trauma that parisians are suffering, indeed all of france. how do you begin to repair the damage done by yesterday? >> as was mentioned a second
ago, it's a great trauma. so it's not an easy day. it's a day where we think of what happened. starting the peek with the attack at charlie. for that and then suddenly the four dead at this kosher grocery yesterday. it's very transcending first, the word "collective" is perfectly correct. perfectly true. we are suffering a collective trauma. and first, we knew that we could face that anytime in paris, like any other world cities you know in a democracy. but knowing it is not facing it. first, the collective trauma. the jewish population here in paris and in france is really suffering. i would like to say, being
myself a jew, of course it is hard to think in your everyday life that you can be a target. and this is very much the feeling among the jewish population. but this being said the other things are that we want to live together as french citizens. we want defenses. we want defenses of police. and that is what is aimed by the terror. so we want to preserve the freedom of speech of a democratic society. our liberties. we live in a democracy. but be very strict against terror and gent anti-semitism and against racism. so we want to fight for it. and we are preparing -- and tomorrow's rally will be the
biggest ever. and all the support we have from all of the world from the uk italy, germany and many many other countries who literally are coming over to sort of support. and this solidarity so important to the french population. of the lastly before leaving you, you know the paris people since the beginning of this crisis since wednesday, they are gathering every day, every day. yelling, shouting we are not afraid. we will stand together. and this gathering are so beautiful. so quiet. so peaceful and so strong. and this is our secret to overcome. and i think we'll make it because france is a very special society. you have a lot of people coming
from all over the world. you have the largest community in europe. the largest jewish community in europe. it is a mother that is targeted and this mother will preserve it at any price and cost. >> mr. deputy mayor, we so appreciate you sharing your insights with the way forward with france and paris as a whole after his horrible ordeal. but this ordeal is not yet over in the sense that there is still one individual on the run. hayat boumediene. can you share any efforts to track this woman down? >> i don't have any public information on the track of this woman. of course we know that the track is going on. we all know as you do that she was connected with the wife of
the kouachi brothers. so there's a clear link between the two -- the two -- the two -- i don't know how to say -- >> brothers. >> -- but i don't have any details on the woman. >> all right. we appreciate you joining us at this difficult time in paris. our thoughts and prayers are with the french at this time. deputy mayor patrick klugman, thanks for joining us. >> many have condemned the attacks. one leader's reaction might surprise you. >> we'll talk about it live with the professor of middle east studies. that's head. plus the latest search for airasia flight 8501. stay with cnn.
there's another breaking news story we're keeping an eye on here at cnn. the tail section of flight 8501 has been pulled to the surface in the java sea. you can see it being pulled underneath that vessel. divers discovered wednesday. the tail was normally under that rear area. >> officials have expressed doubt that they are still there. 162 people were killed when the plane crashed after taking off
from surabaya in indonesia. the bodies of 48 people have been recovered so far. >> literally, it's the tail isn't it? it's nothing that would hold the boxes down there? they have been getting the pings. >> cnn correspondent david molko joins us from indonesia. i know you're seeing the video there, david. not much left but the black boxes and presumably on the bottom? >> reporter: that's right, there were cheers and applause on one of the search vessels. of course, this is not a celebration. i think what they were applauding were three days of very tricky painstaking work by a team of divers battling underwater currents choppy seas and conditions that can change out there in a split second. when you look at the images as you describe. the vertical stabilizer the main section of the stale with
the airasia logo and that unmistakable color across the front of it. it's the second below. you see the windows it looks like the fuselage is pulled back. and then the bottom looks like it's missing. i think you're right saying there's nothing there that suggests that the data recorder and the flight recorder are still in the section. the language here seems to indicate that they are getting closer and they think they are on track, you know at this point, divers know what it's like down there in the java sea. conditions about 30 meters 100 feet down. you can bet, they're going to be down there taking a closer look scouring with everything they have including handheld listening equipment to see if they can pick up the pingers from those blaxck boxes.
>> thanks david molko in jakarta. and that terror that gripped edped france is not over yet. >> coming up we're going to get a sense for how muslims are reacting to the rampage. and later, what may have driven these two brothers to do such an act. we'll track them to jihad next. i'm happy with the way i look now. i'm very excited about my hair. i feel beautiful. i love my hair. [ male announcer ] hair club offers all proven hair loss solutions backed by our commitment to satisfaction guaranteed. if you're not 100% satisfied with the solution you choose hair club will apply the purchase price to another proven hair loss solution or transplant more hair at no charge. it was the best thing i've ever done. it looks good on me. [ male announcer ] call in the next five minutes to get your free brochure at no obligation. it will tell you everything you need to know about your hair-loss problem and it's free if you call now.
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muslim community including the leader of hezbollah are outraged at the acts of terror in france. he told supporters on friday that acts of terror in the name of islam are causing more harm to the religion than any cartoon will. >> translator: and those, through their actions, words and shameful heinous, violent inhuman and brutal practices offended the messenger of god, prophets of god, the book of allah and more than his enemies did. even those who have attacked the minister of god in books depicting the prophet, or draws cartoons depicting the prophet. >> a lot of muslims gathered
yesterday. many holding signs showing support for people of france and condemned the terror attacks. the man's sign saying "not in my name." >> at the seem mosque you see muslims with an "i am charlie" poster. >> joining us now live from london always good to have you on the program. listen we just want to start by getting your reaction or getting a sense, whether you're surprised to even hear the likes of has ra nasrallah speaking against it. >> no isha in the last days papers and newspapers have been talking about the responsibility of muslims. what can the muslim do. let's turn the question on its
head and say, can it be that the muslim community is victimized. muslim community is really pressed between a rock and civilization. they are really within their own rights like the two brothers in france and a hard place. the rise of the movements basically in europe particularly in france and germany and britain and other places. first of all, morally, you cannot basically ask the muslim community to be responsible for individual acts. and secondly and this is a very important part. i really would like to convey it to your viewers. what the attackers, what the conspirator, the murderers, whether in paris or australia or canada or london is trying to do is hijack islamic identity. islamic cell has become hostage for these militants who are trying to say, look we speak for islam.
their message, their goal is to basically polarize the communities and the best because they believe in the clash of civilization saying basically if the newspaper charlie stood up and insulted the prophet, you don't kill in the name of islam. you don't murder civilians and this tells you a great deal about muslims in the heart of that now. >> this comes amid the criticism of many emergencyreligions, almost by definition there are interpretations. and the problem that islam has, particularly with radical islam is the interpretation. the messages are hate are not representative of mainstream islam. and the difficulty is countering that isn't it? >> absolutely michael.
let's be direct here i'm not suggesting there's not a major challenge within the muslim community imagination. the reality is i mean such people said and cherif kouachi in france and many others thousands, a few thousand young men, in western countries who are vulnerable susceptible to basic utopian ideologies the ideology of militant variety of al qaeda ideology. in one interview, one of the brother, cherif said i have read statements saying the best way to die is to martyr them, to kill in the name of islam. so there is a problem. the problem is how do you deconstruct the sacred how do you change the interpretation? and the influence, michael, of some radical preachers like
awlaki in yemen who basically runs the operation between the operation in france and al qaeda in yemen, these have a violent extremist interpretation. and the influence many young vulnerable deluded young men. what you have then these young men, basically disadvantaged. >> so why are their voices heard? why are their voices heard? just because they're louder? >> absolutely. i mean look michael, think of what all of us have been doing since last wednesday. think of how much ink and time and space we have focused. it is tragic. it is brutal. let me give you an idea of what i mean. think of how many experts you and i should have had had on our show. to tell you how the training the military they were cold calculating, yeah look at the
escape land. look how amateurish. they looked like criminals on the run. where are the community that sheltered them? and this tells you a great deal why we should really basically try to understand why these young men do what they do the murders, the killing, the savagery we also need to put it in perspective. this does not mean the four or five militants speak for the 5 million muslims who live in france most of whom like you and i, believe in a tolerant society. and this is a cliche i'm sorry to say it look through the eyes of these murderers and the ideology. >> you know, about the place of the young. there's still those who sit at home and say, they still say
they don't understand how disdemargealized these young men should be. people still don't understand what gets them to that point, to what we see playing out in the offices of charlie hebdo. there's a disconnect somewhere, for a lot of people. >> absolutely. and the reality is i teach in france. i teach in london. i travel all over europe. the reality is you have people who are really terrified. anxious, the question of fear. and many of us for many year isha since the birth and it started with the soviet invasion of afghanistan and the american invasion and basically the jihadis and there is a militant problem. how do they they were born in france are, they had live in france. they have opportunities, even though they're disadvantaged. really what's the tipping
point? what's the drivers? why some young men, 3,000 men fighting in syria and iraq. why are they stuck in the conflict between iraq and syria? there are many questions. but the reality is out of the 5 million muslim community, if we say there are 1250 frenchmen fighting here that's a big number. but we need to understand the social conditions that basically are the drivers behind this radicalization. >> it's not representative. and the more modern voices should probably get more air time as well and heard. we got to leave it there. thanks very much. >> you're watching cnn. stay with us. we're going to take a very quick break.
you are watching cnn's special coverage of the paris terror attacks. i'm isha sesay. >> and i'm michael holmes. here's the latest on where things stand right now. of course those three suspects killed friday in two different police raids. >> the two brothers behind the charlie hebdo attack were killed outside a print shop north of the city. the third suspect, amedi coulibaly was killed outside a market. >> he was suspected in the shooting death of a police officer in monrouge. the woman he was with there were reports she was inside the market during the raid. that's not 100% clear. >> prosecutors tell cnn that may
have happened before the police raid. the france press is reporting an 18-year-old detained after wednesday's charlie hebdo massacre has now been released. >> we want to go back to isa soares outside of that kosher market in paris. i know you've been talking to a lot of people there about the day after mood. and we heard this guest you had earlier talk be the collective trauma that parisians are going through. >> reporter: yeah, indeed michael. you know people are starting to come here to tell us what they heard. what they saw. but it's very defiant in the way they have been talking about this. what happened. they will not let this stop them leading a normal life. we also are starting to hear accounts of what happened on wednesday. at the offices of charlie hebdo. i'm joined now by karolina.
you worked at the offices of charlie hebdo. when exactly did you hear what happened on that tragic day? >> i was on the phone planning to go to the tv show that night where we were supposed to go to. we always meet there. the girl was crying on the phone, she learned that it was all shut. i run to the office of hebdo, the police was already there. it was difficult to do i met with my friend the partner cabu she said i she was crying i want to see my lover. the bodies were already removed. they were dead already. and removed.
the police took us to go in front of charlie hebdo, where all collected that did survive was there. one of my best friends and was also writing in charlie hebdo is also a doctor. and actually is the first one that the people that did survive inside the newspaper headquarters called. he was called the doctor and said we need you, everybody was dead around. and he took it really hard because he came and he see all of his friends in their blood. so he was trying a lot to help cabu. i met one of the best cartoonists in france that did sewer viev. he lost all of his friend he told me now i have to leave, i'm one of the few that survive. >> reporter: and that must be so hard for him, just don't know
how he goes on from there, tell me something, karolina you used to work there. how defiant is charlie hebdo? you believe they'll return stronger than ever? >> we've been through many crisis not like this of course but during 2006 we were all together facing this threat. facing all of the press saying why are you doing this the cartoon about prophet muhammad. we said you don't understand we did draw the pope the catholic church maybe 100 times. how we cannot show a very funny and smiley cartoon about muhammad denouncing cartoonists when we show our cartoonists
facing these threats. every time there's a big fire it's indeed a big fire already, the first one is okay now we have to do a better newspaper. a better printing. but the difference now is that almost all of them died. so the few that did survive, of course, they're traumatized they're in shock. they are already working on the next newspaper for the next week. i can tell you it is amazingly hard because those people are supposed to make people drug make friend to be sweet, to be smiley even about the most violent circumstance of course it's tuck laterally impossible and hard. but i can tell you that one of the cartoonists that did survive already did the cover for next week. >> reporter: if you could just reveal the cover. i saw what i thought was the cover saying we're looking,
hiring for cartoonists? you can confirm that for us? >> no no you will see next week. probably will discuss a long time. i will tell you, we need to draw. those crazy fanatics they make the name of charlie internationally famous. now everyone know what does charlie do. what is to be those -- and they also make this demonstration that they were so weak. and the jihadists are so weak that they are afraid about cartoons. you can imagine that that they are so afraid of cartoons that the cartoons would affect them. >> caroline thanks so much. >> it's not my loss it's a loss for all the press and the country. >> thank you very much. you hear her, michael, getting a
sense of people's defiance. we'll be seeing a vigil tomorrow. we're expecting i hope someone telling me 1 million or so people. that is not confirmed. going back to charlie hebdo. the caricatures, they pretty much painted everyone from popes to public figures to prophets. of course we know islam, drawing the picture of muhammad is blasphemous. >> it's hard to listen to but important. thanks so much. >> yeah it's incredible that they've come together and found resilience to start work on the next issue. >> exactly. and you and i were talking
earlier, it was mentioned the ability to be blasphemous. it's not mentioned in the koran at all. there's no described punishment for showing the prophet oates. there's a lot of misconceptions throughout. >> again, we were discussing it comes down to understand the text, the interpretation. and who's doing the interpretation. >> exactly. that's right. i want to bring in jim bittermann who has been following this in france. jim, one thing i wanted to ask you, because of your depth of experience in france. the political tone in france and fawra was talking about this earlier. in france in particular in recent times, they're moving to the right. a growing far right movement. both in politics but on the
street. an it's the sort of thing that could easily exploit the horrors that we've seen over the last couple days. what are the fears of that? and how representative is that shift to the right? >> well i think we've even seen a little bit of that in france here. just in the last couple of days. for one thing, there were some attacks in different parts of the country. minor ones. didn't cause any injuries or death. but there were some attacks on mosques. that was definitely a reaction to the terrorist attacks that we saw in paris. the other thing is that the first person the first politician to speak out, after the attacks that i saw and speak out strongly was the head of the front nationale, the far right party. there's also debate about the
front nationale should be invited. but they're saying of course they should be invited, real unit. but we're not sure if they'll participate tomorrow. but, yes, that is the fear that in fact this will bring about a lot of calls for more security. we're here where the day ended for the two brothers yesterday, dammartin-en-goele where the assault ended yesterday. there is definitely a feeling that the police should have done more. there should have been more surveillance more tougher rules. that sort of thing. the kind of things that you wouldn't expect to hear after something like this. whether it will lead to more draconian measures in terms of liberty, that's to be libberated
here on television that beampeople would allow the activities that we've seen here in action in the last few days. >> jim, it's isha here as you talk about the political ramifications from what happened in last week what are you hearing from the muslim community itself? what are you hearing in terms of fears that he could be attacks of ordinary people after what happened? >> well i think that there's a real fear that we've already seen some actual attacks. and i mean the muslims are -- the moderate muslim community leaders are speaking out. they have been speaking out. they're doing it at some risk because they themselves could be targeted by more extremist persons who feel that they shouldn't be. it's very divisive of all of this. maybe a march of national unity. but the bottom line is at least people divided and maybe united over the idea they don't like
terrorism. but once you get past that. there's a lot of very fine arguments that have to be logged. people here have to be argued out at every level. i think we're going to see a lot of national debate about this over the next few days. people here on the industries this morning say why didn't the intelligence know more. why wasn't there more intrusion in people's lives to find this out. how was it that they were able to get assault weapons and arms now, these three terrorists that are dead. i think there's a large national questioning. the interior minister said this morning, in fact they're going to even heightened the terrorist alerts here. there are going to be more provisions taken, including a lot more interest and a lot more security around religious institutions which, i guess, they feel are maybe targeted more over the coming days. mike isha. >> jim, thank you very much.
appreciate your insight with your breadth of knowledge of place. jim bittermann. >> we'll be monitoring and bring you pictures from that solidarity. >> 1 million people. >> yeah. it's going to be remarkable scenes in paris. we're going to take a very quick break. cnn's breaking news coverage continues after this. you can use splenda®... ...no calorie sweetener. splenda® lets you experience... ...the joy of sugar... ...without all the calories. think sugar, say splenda®
horrendous scene in north nigeria. boca haram militants attacking villages there and leaving bodies scattered everywhere according to nigerian authorities. >> this is a situation we'll still trying to come to grips one. we're getting differing numbers of how many were killed. some say hundreds many say 2,000. along with a multinational military base. >> u.n. said more than 7,000 people fled to chad to escape this latest outbreak of violence. and a government official says that it is under way to reclaim the area. unbelievable. according to some reports, an entire village killed. >> and a number of houses with people set on fire. >> where is the military? >> where is the military? and then you hear this quote attributed to the government that there's an operation on the
way to claim areas. boca haram have seized many areas and are holding them. that statement is going to be met with skepticism. well, the french prime minister admitting there were failures in the security and surveillance procedures allowing the terrorist rampage that left people dead over the last days. >> intelligence agencies need to investigate how the suspects fell through the cracks. >> as vowing that they would fight terrorism not islam. >> translator: this is a war against terrorism. this is not a war against a religion. this is not a war betweenization civilizations, this is a war between democratic values. >> paris is described as the city of light. >> but the mood darkened of
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the young people because the talents of this attack were artists. they're people that fight for world peace and values that are very important for everyone. >> it's almost like something in which way everybody will understand what's out there. it's not about a war. it's not about a fight between people. >> what you see -- in islam, we don't kill trees or animals. it's forbidden in islam. >> what i think about the people i don't now how to
describe it, they're people. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> long live the freedom of the press. >> exactly. collective trauma but stance as well. >> that's on the street of paris. they're doing that demonstration, tomorrow sunday. >> yeah 1 million people. it will be as hopefully as amazing as we think it will be. thanks for being with us the last couple hours. i'm michael holmes. >> and i'm isha sesay. our coverage continues with christi paul and victor blackwell right after this very quick break.
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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. [ gunfire ] and the breaking news this morning, french media reports an 18-year-old who turned himself in shortly after the paris attack has been released. also there's this intense hunt for a terror suspect on the run, of course after twin hostage standoffs in paris, three men are taken down by police. >> but a woman wanted for her part in those attacks have left the city reeling this city this morning is still out there. she'