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these are live pictures outside of the baltimore police precinct. you can see police officers on one side and barricade and protesters on another. we have heard some swearing and pushing and aggressive expletives but people feeling safe and bringing children out to protest. our breaking news news coverage continues now with anderson. >> good evening. thank you for joining us. new demonstrations on the streets of baltimore including a sunset confrontation between protesters and police. [ yelling ] >> it happened just a short time ago outside of the police station where ten days ago freddie gray was taken to a hospital where he later died. and with demonstrators out on the street we have last known video of images on the way to the police station and being loaded for a second time into a police van and we'll show you that and we have the eyewitness
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who made the video being dragged to the van in the first place. and he believes he is friends with many gray had already sustained the spinal injuries that would already take his life. and we'll hear from the two advocates for the police officers who say otherwise. as we continue the protests for the hour and we have that and more starting with migez marquez. >> video showing freddie gray minutes before his arrest the last time seen publicly and alive. it shows him not moving lying half in and half out of the police van. >> he wasn't responding. he was down and his feet was like this. and they picked him up and threw him up in the paddy wagon. >> this is a block from where freddie gray was arrested just around the corner down at the end of the block. this is where police pulled him out of the van. they say to shackle his feet. there was a woman watching everything right across the street. >> he looked unconscious to you?
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>> yes. yes, and i asked them could they get him a paramedic. they told me to mind my business. i said it is my business. >> baltimore police say five of the six officers involved in gray's arrest have provided statements to investigators and a lawyer for them said any injuries sustained by gray could not have come from the officers. >> our position is something happened in that van. we just don't know one. >> juan he only wants his first name grew up with freddie gray and said his older brother died in street violence here years ago and his family in disbelief. >> just because he was running down the street and this police decided he wanted to stop him, now he's a bad person. so someone deserved to be tooken -- not deserved for running down the street. you don't know he's a bad person
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when he runs. >> you are all dragging him look that. >> key owna who only wants to use her first name shot this video. she said freddy a joker and a lady's man. only said one thing to her that day. >> when i ran up the street and i seen him and i asked him, are you okay because i heard him screaming and he didn't never say yes or no he just said i can't breathe. and this was -- he was just yelling. >> one thing consistent with every witness statement, this is the spot where freddie was arrested by police and dragged to this spot. he was on his back and handcuffed and his legs up behind his become and a knee of an officer firmly on his neck. freddie gray's cousin only hopes the violence stops. >> what do you hope the police will hear tonight? >> for peace and justice and stop this. >> migez marquez joins us.
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you've been there for several days. how are the size of the demonstrations compared to several days? >> reporter: today they are diffuse. today there is a long standoff between many police officers and the demonstrators out here today. they broke up into a different group. part of them went toward city hall and blocking traffic in different parts of the city and in coming days we expect thousands at city hall tomorrow and on saturday they are promising tens of thousands so it is only growing. >> and are details of mr. gray's funeral been released? >> reporter: dadly, his body it sound -- sadly, his body it sounds like has not been released to the family it. sounds like the coroner said the body will be released and then the family's attorney will want an autopsy and once that is released then it will be days
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before he is laid to rest. >> thank you very much on the streets of baltimore tonight. to underscore how unreseissly how where and when he sustained the injuries. the man who captured video of him has come forward. he's asked us not to reveal his identity. we spoke a short time ago. >> were you there when mr. gray started running or what did you first notice? >> well i was actually in bed asleep and one of my relatives came running in the house screaming my name they're tasing him, they're tasing him, they're tasing one of your friends and i ran out the door to see what was going on. but the time i got to the actual site that it was happening, i didn't see the taser -- he was putting it back in the holster rather than tasing him still. and so then i just whipped out my phone and started recording, man. and i was actually behind at first. but as you can see on the video,
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i had to run around the van to try to get a better angle and so that is what i did. and when i got to the site man, it was just terrible. >> were you looking through the camera or were you just sort of looking directly at it with your eyes and the camera was also on it? >> well by the time i started recording them they had him in a crab-like -- the heel of his feet were almost on his back and he was already cuffed at the time. so -- and then they had his -- the police had their knee in his neck and he was like crushing his neck really hard. >> you are also recording as they begin to drag him to the van. to you, did it look like he was able to walk? >> well to me, it didn't look like he was able to use his legs at all. they were totally limp. he had no use. they say he was able to put pressure on one leg but i'm sure
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if you took away the help from the officers holding him up that he wouldn't be able to stand on his own. there is no way possible. as can you see in the video, they drap him to the paddy wagon because -- because he couldn't walk. >> the police said they didn't use the taser but do you see any indication they had use the taser? >> i heard the electricity the noise from the taser. i never seen him getting electrocuted or tazed. >> but you didn't see any wires connected to him when he was down because that is not visible? >> no. >> was there any possibility in your mind he was choosing not to walk? some people sometimes will just not -- let people drag them. >> whatever they did it happened right there. it is not in my mind that he is in no way trying to resist or refuse to walk. >> was he saying something? was he yelling something? >> well he was asking for -- because he has asthma. he was asking for an inhaler.
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but of course no one paid it any mind. so they of course true him in the paddy wagon and took off. so we took off running to try to see what was going on and by the time we get there, two more officers and the paddy wagon officer were surrounding him when the bike guys so we couldn't get a visual on freddie at the time. >> i talked to the mayor last night and she hasn't heard there was any evidence of probable cause to arrest him at all. the police said a police officer saw a clip that they believe was a knife on his front pocket, it turned out to be a spring-loaded knife or a switchblade. a. is that something you know that he carried, and b. do you believe that they actually saw that? >> first of all, whatever they say that he had, it wasn't worth his life. you didn't have to kill him, and i've never known freddie to
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carry any type of women. but he is a 110 soaking wet man and i don't believe for one second that he would be aggressive toward the police in any type of way. because we know that police brutality is prevalent in our neighborhood and we know it goes on because we see it every day. so no i don't, i don't believe that those guys felt threatened in any type of way. and believe it was just overkill. they over-did it and they don't want to admit it. >> listen i appreciate you talking about what you saw. thank you very much and also for your video tape. >> no problem, man. thank you. now a different perspective. joining us is gene ryan from the fraternal order of police and mike spence who represents the police. you do not believe the six officers committed a crime in the arrest of freddie gray. can you say what led you to that conclusion? >> basically based on my experience. i'm a retired police officer. i've been involved in
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investigations in the past. i've been an attorney for the past 16 years. representing police officers in the state of maryland. i've had the opportunity to see what has been provided to the public and had the opportunity to speak to some of the officers involved and based on what i've seen and what i know of the investigation and the evidence that they currently have i just don't believe that there was any criminal acts committed by the officers involved. >> so how do you believe that mr. gray received the injuries that he got? >>. >> i can't explain that. i'm hoping the investigation will explain that. i think the video evidence is clear when he got into the van, he was standing on his own on the bumper getting into the transport wagon. he was able to turn his head and yell back to the crowd as he entered the van. there didn't appear to be any distress or anything of that nature when he got in. >> so when you see the video, you believe he's standing on his own. because i think a lot of people
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seeing that video see a guy being dragged and at one point he put some weight on his left foot -- left leg but still being held up and it is not exactly clear what happens on the bumper of the vehicle? >> whether he is dragged due to his inability or refusal to walk, i believe it is his refusal to walk based on the fact when he stood up on the bumper he is clearly standing and turning back and yelling. >> isn't though the most logical explanation that that injure occurred prior to him being placed in the van. >> you said that is the most logical but we don't know that. no evidence has come forward. you've seen the video tape and i've seen the video tape and the police officers based on the video are not using excessive force. the only force you see is them limited to holding his legs down while waiting for the transport van. >> how does someone get three crushed vertebrae in the back of a van? >> i think that is a question
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for the investigation. the investigators will have to make that determination based on the medical evidence based on the environment inside of that transport van to make that determination. >> do you know based on your conversations with the officers if mr. gray was strapped in or seat belted before the van took off? >> the information that we're getting throughout the investigation is that he was not seat belted in. >> and then the van we're told drives for a bit and stopped and takes mr. gray out and puts leg shackles on him. why would they do that as far as you know? >> it is not unusual for large crowds to begin to gather and be threatening toward the arresting officers and it is not unusual to get someone into a wagon as quickly as they can, drive them two or three blocks and remove them from the wagon, depending on their degree of resistance or
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aggravation and what they are doing in the back of the van, place leg shackles on them and place them back in the van in order to get them away from the crowd that has gathered. that is not an unusual circumstance in baltimore and i would imagine it is not an unusual circumstance anywhere in the country. >> and i smoke, mike to an eyewitness that recorded video that a lot of people have now seen. he said he heard, didn't see, but heard mr. gray get tazed. to your knowledge, did the officers use tasers on him? >> there was no taser used. i believe commissioner bats explained that in his press conference on monday that as mr. gray was running, one of the officers did have a taser, yelled taser, taser, taser as they are required to do prior to deploying a taser however it was never deployed and i believe the commissioner clearly stated in his press conference there is to medical evidence that mr. gray was ever tazed. >> gene it has been ten days now
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and we still don't know how or when freddie gray was fatally injured. is this process taking longer than normal in your opinion or is this normal? >> now, what has to happen is we're not supposed to give out information in reference to an active ongoing case because it could jeopardize the integrity of the case. that is nothing unusual. >> it does seem like and i might be wrong but it does seem like in other situations there has been more information released even while an investigation continues. am i right? >> no. we're not supposed to divulge or release any information in regard to an active investigation. like i said you don't want to jeopardize the integrity of the investigation by giving out the information too soon. because a lot of times the information you get in the beginning isn't always 100% factual. i've been involved with cases that the facts come out in the beginning and they can be totally opposite down the road once the -- all of the evidence
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is weighed and gathered. >> as you know mike i talk -- well i -- you may not know i talked to an attorney for the gray family last night who basically said look this is a case of somebody running while black, running while african-american. how do you respond to that? >> mr. murphy is a very good attorney. he's a very good advocate for his client and he is doing what he believes he should be doing to ensure that this case continues to get the attention that it is getting. >> mike davie, gene ryan thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you, sir. >> two very different pir spektdives of -- perspectives of what happened to freddie gray. one say you don't think he is capable of walking and the attorney of the police officers saying that he was standing up on the bumper and whatever happened to him occurred inside of the van. again, the facts are not clear. a quick reminder set your dvr to watch 360.
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the breaking news new protests in baltimore with some of the anger very apparent tonight on the streets where brian todd has been all evening. he joins us now. brian, what is the latest? >> reporter: well anderson this is a protest moving through the streets of baltimore for a couple of hours now. it has gotten rough in spots. there was a confrontation with police under an overpass about three blocks back where police were trying to keep a lane of a street open and the protesters didn't want to let them do that. and there was a confrontation
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throughout this march all evening long but no major incidents to report. at least as we've been moving with this crowd of a couple hundred people. so i would describe the crowd as very angry and very passionate but so far very peaceful anderson. they have basically taken control of some intersections here in baltimore. on occasion they've come to a major intersection and laid down right in the middle of the street blocking traffic. and we asked them why they were doing that because they said if the police will barricade us at the precinct we'll disrupt traffic to make our statement. and so that is what they are trying to do. right here right now, this is a major intersection in downtown baltimore and they just stopped traffic again. so we are stopping traffic and we are moving with the protesters anderson. >> brian todd we'll check in with you. joining us sunny hostin former forward prosecutor and friend of the mayor of baltimore. and also joining us retired new
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york detective larry houck and fred kobalin ski. and professor, i want to start with you, the lawyer for the police does not believe that mr. gray's legs were injured or his vertebrae crushed and unable to walk and though he was being dragged, he believed he was allowing himself to be dragged and he points to a moment where -- and i want to show this picture, mr. gray appears to be standing or placed on the bumper of the police van before going into the police van. now he does have somebody holding on to him. what do you make of that image. does that tell you anything about the condition mr. gray was in? >> if we can really assume that he was standing on his own, that would tell me that the spinal cord was not severely injured, that the severance was not very significant. of course his head was not
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restrained. and so the second -- the secondary damage could have happened in the van where the vertebrae was torn. and so the way this works is the cervical vertebrae will affect the upper limbs, the elbow, the arm, the muscles on the top. but if you have severe damage to the court, it will effect your entire body. so i think it is not clear that he was standing on his own. >> it is hard to tell i agree, from the image. >> but i do think it makes no sense that three vertebrae would be fractured in the van. i think he was probably running away from the police and they tackled him which is to be expected an the police trying to arrest him and presumably they fell and maybe there was a hyperextension of the neck or a hypo extension or movement
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laterally. >> you don't see how this could happen in the back of the van. >> i don't see that. >> because it needs to be a sharp blow. >> could be blunt impact or a rotation or a hyperextension putting extraordinary force against the vertebrae. bones don't break unless you've got osteoporosis. there has to be enough force to break those bones. >> sonny, the eyewitness said he heard a taser, police say there was no taser, that an officer yelled taser but no taser was actually discharged so that is a question of how the eyewitness could have heard the sound of electricity if it wasn't discharged. but the police for the lawyer is saying he is convince nod crime has been committed based on his conversations with the officers ab his experience but he has no explanation for how the injuries occurred in the back of a van. >> that is what is so remarkable. and i'm surprised at the narrative that sort has been coming forward from the officers and the officers representative
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this just happened in the van when he was there by himself. we all know that doesn't make sense. and what i am dumbfounded by anderson is that we have video of mr. gray's condition. i'm being told that what i am seeing which is someone in pain someone screaming, someone with no mobility someone being dragged, i'm not seeing it can i not trust my eyes. >> let me play devil's advocate because plenty of people that get arrested if you are protesting and don't -- one of the ways you protest is to not -- to just go limp and let them -- have the police drag you into the van. >> that would make sense to me if he didn't die of severe spinal cord injuries. that would make sense to me. but that is not what makes sense here. so no one can tell me at this point that my eyes are lying. i'm sure harry will tell me my eyes are lying but they are not. >> so somehow in the back of the
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van alone he is somehow able to crush three of his vertebrae. >> come on harry. >> let me explain. we see him being dragged and put into the van and partially standing up there. whether or not, i would have to look at the video closer and i've been trying to do it and i can't tell but i don't think one person could keep him standing up and the officers like this and it is one officer. so i think he is really standing there. now the doctor said that -- has a theory about a two-stage injury. now maybe when the officers tackled him, the first stage injury occurred to his spinal column. at the same time when the officers put him in there, they drive away all right, and then we see them shackling his feet. why do lawyer-- why do police officers shackle feet? we do that when they act up in the backseat of the radio car, kicking and thrashing.
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>> so he did it to himself? >> please this is a theory. so the officers probably had to stop the vehicle and put the shackles on him. why would they put it on him in the first place. if he can't use his legs why shackle himself. >> that would be abusive and excessive force and that is the question here right? what amount of force is reasonable to effectuate an arrest. i can tell just from what we know now, harry, that what he was arrested for, any amount of excessive force is unreasonable. >> well excessive force, but not reasonable force. we don't see -- we don't see in any -- any of the videos excessive force. >> well we don't see it but there are injuries. >> we don't see the tackle or the arrest. >> which i think maybe the first part of the -- >> he didn't break his own back. [ overlapping speakers ] >> hopefully we'll get more information when an autopsy is finally released and a second autopsy done by the family. more details to come no doubt.
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as we watch new protests unfold in the death of freddie gray it is known that some of the anger and trust that you are seeing has to do with a pattern of police abuse as this one single inscidentincident. the mayor admits that. large payouts to victims of police brutality, including a pregnant woman and a church deacon is evidence of the baltimore police. more from jack tapper. >> it has been dubbed originally without irony, charm city. baltimore, maryland has long held a reputation for being one of the most dangerous cities to police in the nation with a
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history of brutality on both sides of the badge. >> they don't protect and serve. >> it is a reputation that freddie gray's death has brought to light once again. gray was young, african-american had a slew of previous drug-relate add rests and he spent time in the housing projects here. in short gray represented one of baltimore's most-watched populations. watched by police on foot patrol and millions in television depictions. baltimore has served as the go-to example ofush ban tension in shows like "the wire." or "homicide, life on the streets." shows based on neighborhoods dotted with death. this map compiled by the baltimore sun shows 211 homicides in the city last year. so far 2015 has seen 63. the numbers are vastly better than in previous decades when
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crime was notoriously high. more than 350 homicides in 1993 alone. at the time police recruitment videos used the slogan and you thought your job was tough. >> how would you like it if we quit. >> it is a dangerous job and difficult to do without criticism. today the baltimore police department is working hard to improve relations with those whom it serves posing photos of outreach and successful busts on twitter. it is an effort of which the mayor is proud. >> i think baltimore has had a very challenging history when it comes to the back community and the -- the black community and the police department. we've done a lot of work and made a lot of progress. >> but for many in the city the efforts do little in wake of videos such as these showing officer brutality, punching hilting. residents say it is all too often. >> freddie gray is not the only one they've beat up in the last few weeks. >> the baltimore sun report
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they've paid more than $5.7 million in judgments and settlements for police misconduct since 2011, including six-figure settlements for slamming a pregnant woman to the ground and killing an unarmed marine veteran and beating a church deacon with no previous record. >> i've heard the complaints and i've heard the distrust and it is clear there is still work to be done. >> the baltimore police called for a government investigation, now less than a year later the department of justice will investigate the force once again. >> we need stronger enforcement and more tools to hold officers accused of wrongdoing accountable. >> in a city as hard as this one, the biggest challenge is a department trying to police itself. >> that was jake tapper reporting. i want to dig deeper on this and bring in mark puente who investigating the settlements for police misconduct that jack told us about and joining us
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sunny hostin. and your investigation, more than 100 investigations and alleging police brutality or excessive force, million dollars of dollars in settlements, and in that context, how do you view what happened to freddie gray? >> a lot of the cases -- nearly all of the cases show there were questionable arrests. the mayor of the town has caused into question the probable cause so we can put it into context of what led to the arrest in the investigation where most charges were jobbed and the folks were charged with disorderly conduct and resisting and assault on a law enforcement officer. judges dropped or dismissed the cases. the suspects received severe injuries broken bones or battered faces, some needed surgeries to repaired the injuries. they later sued and the city settled the cases or juries or awarded damages. >> so in nearly all of the cases
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you investigated the suspects -- the charges against the suspect actually ended up being dropped? >> that is correct. some of the patterns that emerged quickly in the investigation is they were all common charges. those four charges or you found language in a charging document saying the suspect became defensive and the officers feared for their safety and they took defensive action. nobody was prosecuted and they were dismissed once they got to a court or to prosecutor's hands. >> how common was it for police to face charges? >> in our investigation we didn't find any examples where officers were prosecuted. there were complaints to internal affairs and there wasn't complaints and the department admitted they didn't have a good tracking system and the city did not track lawsuits against officers and we found officer officers sued melt pell times and they have since vowed to change that.
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>> and sunny, you are a prosecutor and what do you make of that. >> and i'm glad we're talking about this because it put this is gray case in perspective. because baltimore has a history of police brutality and the fact that we now have the police investigating the police doesn't give me much confidence in this particular investigation. we know that the baltimore city police department is now -- has now interviewed five out of the six officers they plan to wrap up the investigation may 1st and give it over to the state attorney's office the local prosecutor. what does that do for someone that is a prosecutor? you have the police investigating themselves. >> mark i think for a lot of people they are surprised that the idea that freddie gray just made eye contact with an officer and apparently turned around and ran away and that set all of this in motion does that surprise you? should it surprise people? because the representatives the police they say the stop was justified because the neighborhood was designated a high-crime area.
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>> sure. but many lawsuits there was references in the papers and the people we talked to said the police pulled up and the officers in the gray case were identified and others were called knockers in plain clothes and one said in the publication and he gets in his car and wears jeans and a t-shirt and he pulls up and looks at somebody and the chase is on. and so that is not uncommon in this city. >> how fast do you think this investigation -- i mean it has been ten days? does this seem low? . i spoke to the representative of the fraternal order of the police and he said this is normal? >> it doesn't seem normal given the high scrutiny and given the fact the family hasn't received the body to conduct annin deposit autopsy and -- an independent autopsy and more often we've been given more information than the police. in ferguson we had every single
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bit of information about michael brown. and we had very little information about the police officer. >> mark does this seem like a long investigation so far? >> it seems quick. officer michael mcfadden was sued multiple times and the city paid out multiple times and in a video was contradicted in an alleged beating and he said he took a defensive position and we uncovered a video showing that he had handcuffed the guy, and that has been going on for six months and nobody can say what is taking so long and he's been collecting a paycheck. >> mark from the baltimore sun, we appreciate it and sunny hostin. and up ahead, the baltimore mailman causing a scare with his stunt on the capitol and the question is did he make an honest effort to warn
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the security response the breech of protects air space -- in the protected air space at the capital. jason chafe its said they had guns trained on the flying contraption and could have shot him down but didn't. and now you'll hear from mr. hughes but first here is randy kay. >> on the afternoon of april 15th this gyrocopter flew through restricted air space. doug hughs is at the controls. this is what he saw as he made his way toward the nation's capitol. >> this is not good people. >> the florida postal worker and pilot pulled this stunt, he said to make a statement about campaign financing and deliver a letter to lawmakers. he alerted the tampa bay times on takeoff and immediately began live streaming his 80-mile trip. as he came in for a landing,
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some couldn't believe their eyes. >> i saw out of nowhere, a machine that looks like something from chitty chitty bang bang come at the capitol building. >> and despite flying just 150 feet off the ground he somehow managed to avoid detection from radar. when the 61-year-old landed on the west lawn of the capitol, police arrested him, charging him with violating national defense air space and registration requirements involving aircraft a felony. he was issued an ankle monitor until he returns to a d.c. courtroom next month and banned from flying any type of aircraft. despite her father's legal woes now, his daughter was thrilled. >> i was just down right proud. he's a patriot, you know. he did it for the country. >> and now, he may land in jail. randy kay, cnn, new york. >> his intentions in his eyes
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may have been noble but what he did cause a major scare and taxpayers will foot the bill. when i spoke with him earlier, i wanted to find out if he had contacted law enforcement as he promised he would. >> so doug when you took off last wednesday, you didn't really believe that you were going to be able to deliver these letters to people on capitol hill did you? >> no i was pretty confident i would be able to go all of the way. >> but actually deliver the letters, get off of your copter and go and deliver the letters? it seems like a stunt? >> no i understood i would land and be taken into custody. >> what was the point of trying to do this? because everybody has been talking not about campaign finance, but -- but about this guy who flew a gyrocopter to capitol hill. >> the reaction i'm going from people and the questions i'm being asked is why did you do
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this. >> i know it was about campaign finance and but do i believe you accomplished anything buzz frankly you spent a lot of taxpayer money and police time you made a lot of people worried in law enforcement and i'm wondering, was it really worth it? >> if the government spent money cleaning up after my stunt and it results in honest government it is the best money spent. >> do you think taxpayers should have to pay for you wanting to do this stunt, which you knew your letters would not get delivered so i'm calling it a stunt because it seems like it was designed simply to get attention and get media attention? >> it was designed to get attention on the problem of corruption in congress. >> you told the tampa bay -- you told the tampa bay times that you were going to give the authorities plenty of warning, well over an hour in advance, of youing to the no-fly zone -- you getting to not-fly zone so they
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would know what you intended to do did you do that? >> yes. >> who did you call? >> i didn't call. i sent a delayed e-mail, okay. and i e-mailed info at barack i don't think a call that i am going to fly in would have been taken any more seriously than my e-mail would have been taken. my e-mail was tied to the story breaking in the tampa bay times, which gave it credibility. a simple call to 911 that i'm flying in would not have had any credibility. >> you don't think a call to a 911 operator saying i have a gyrocopter and i'm heading straight to the capitol and i'm going to land at the capitol, i'm going to pass by the white house, i'm going to violate restricted air space, you don't think that would have been taken seriously? >> i think they would have said yeah right. >> well then why didn't you do
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that? because if they weren't going to take it seriously, there wouldn't be no problem for you just to do that? >> the administration is who i needed to notify because i needed to notify the people who could make the decision to stand down on shooting me down and would let me land and take me into custody alive on the other end. nobody at 911 can decide not to shoot me down. >> you are under house arrest now and facing up to four years in prison. do you think this was worth it? >> i won't know if this was worth it until i get through with it. and we're through with it and we'll see in the next election a serious dialog about corruption and solving the problem of corruption and that makes it worth it. >> well doug i appreciate you spending the time with us. thank you, doug. >> thank you for having me anderson. >> and just ahead, breaking news out of baltimore.
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the protesters are winging it as far as the route. they have shut down the streets. the traffic and horn honking and people that would you know from covering ferguson and everything they come toward the camera when we are doing this. but protesters have been strong for the last three hours or so. moving around the streets of baltimore. we're going to turn the camera around and show you this procession up here on martin luther king avenue here in baltimore. they are just very angry over the freddie gray story. they want answers from the police and the mayor they don't believe they are getting and they will come out in force tomorrow and maybe stay here for the rest of the night, anderson. >> brian, i appreciate the reporting. and we'll check in with miguel marquez elsewhere in baltimore. where are you? >> reporter: we're at the police station where there are still protestors challenging police. there are three lines of police right in front.
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several dozen police officers in front of them and then police officers on horses behind. there were two arrests earlier in the evening and both of the individuals i believe have been let go from the police station. that is one thing -- one reason protesters are staying out here tonight, just a lot of anger here and they say they will be back tomorrow in force. anderson. >> miguel marquez. thank you very much. and still a terror plot targeting churches. and a man in wheelchair fell off a subway platform and the daring rescue, next. introducing the citi® double cash card. it's a cash back win-win. with 1% when you buy and 1% as you pay. with two ways to earn on puchases, it makes a lot of other cards seem one-sided. sometimes the present looked bright. sometimes romantic. there were tears in my eyes. and tears in my eyes. and so many little things that we learned
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the latest on the other stories we're watching. >> french authorities have foiled an alleged territory plot to attack churches after they arrested a computer science studio from algeria who called for medical happen after accidently shooting himself in the leg. authorities found weapons and ammunitions mentioning al qaeda and isis and evidence of the church plot including signs he was working with someone in syria and evidence he killed a woman found dead on sunday morning in a paris suburb. her connection to the suspect is unknown. a sky west airlines flight made an emergency landing in buffalo, new york after a passenger lost consciousness. the plane descended 28,000 feet in three minutes. early reports of a problem with
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pressurize is were incorrect. the passenger was treated and released. >> and two unknown men in washington are being called heroes after they rescued a man in a wheelchair who fell off a subway platform on to the tracks. he was treated nor nonlife-threatening injuries. >> thank you very much. that does it for us. anthony bourdain parts unknown, starts right now. ♪