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>> what do you think of my new crib? >> i love it. you got your name on the wall. that's major. >> kind of a big deal. >> i'm a really big deal. thank you, guys. appreciate you joining me. see you back here tomorrow night. ac 360 starts right now. good evening, thanks for joining us. we begin tonight with breaking news. another incident involving george zimmerman. a gun and conflicting versions of events. police in lake mary florida say he suffered minor injuries after he was shot at. the other man involved actual called police last year because he felt threatened by zimmerman. it had been two years since zimmerman was acquitted of murder. after fatally shooting trayvon martin. in that time he's had a number of run-ins with the law, everything from speeding to accusations of domestic violence. the investigation is still in the early stages but police say
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the two men involved had been in an ongoing dispute. martin savage joins me now. >> at 12:45, george zimmerman flags down a police officer in lake mary, florida. he says, hey, i was just shot at, and there's a bullet hole in the side window of his car that seems to verify that. he was not struck but apparently he was injured as a result of broken glass. he was taken to a nearby hospital treated and released. about the same time a third party 911 call comes in, a man who says he had a guy come up to him and says, hey, i just shot george zimmerman, call the police. this man also says the shooter claimed to him that george zimmerman had waved a gun. thereby matthew apperson said he had to shoot at george zimmerman. the interesting thing is, so far this evening, nobody has been charged with anything. police are continuing to investigate. >> zimmerman, as we said, has had a number of run-ins with the law since his acquittal in 2013?
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>> he's had quite a few run-ins, which surprises people, many would have thought he might have had a very low profile. he does not. three weeks after he was acquitted in the trayvon martin case, he was pulled over for speeding. let's go over some of them and the list is significant. september 2013, he has an alleged altercation with his estranged wife and father-in-law. he's detained, not arrested. no charges there. then, november 2013, he's picked up, aggravated assault and other charges, his then girlfriend asked for no charges, so he was not prosecuted. then we've got september 2014, an alleged road rage incident. he wasn't arrested. we know now that was matthew apperson. seeing the history of those two men. finally january of this year, he's arrested on another domestic violence case. the girlfriend recants, no charges filed there. >> zimmerman's attorney spoke out about the incident what did
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he have to say? >> this is what george zimmerman told him. he's minding his own business driving down the road. there's a car behind honking the horn flashing lights shouting obscenities. george says he rolls up his passenger window, and the next thing he knows, a bullet comes flying through, narrowly missing his head. there's no mention, of course, to george zimmerman threatening with the gun, which is what the other man claims happened today as well. >> did police say anything about george zimmerman being -- was he armed at this time? >> they did not talk about that, it is well known that in a number of instances, george zimmerman has a weapon, he's licensed to carry one. did he have a weapon in his vehicle? police weren't commenting at this particular juncture, it will be interesting, there are body cameras on the authorities, you'll get the first impression of george zimmerman after he was fired at, coming through that video who it's released. >> martin referenced the man who made the 911 call. his name is kenneth cornell, he worked close to where this incident happened. kenneth joins me with more on
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what he saw. walk us through what happened. you were getting out of your car when someone came up to you, shouting for you to call 911. >> yes, sir, a guy came driving up screaming out his window, someone please call 911, guys, hey, please call 911. so i was kind of walking over him a little bit. what's happening, what's going on. he's like, i just shot someone. please call 911. what? he's like no, really. call 911. i said to him, don't you have a phone? because i thought it was a little suspicious. he said no, i just shot george zimmerman, please call 911, really. i'm like what, you shot george zimmerman? yes, sir, i shot george zimmerman. just please call 911. that's when i decided to call 911, picked up the phone and gave them a call and talked with them. and they went through some of the questions and that's when they heard him in the background. they're like let me speak with
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him. and he got on the phone, he's like, my name is matt apperson, i've been in a couple disputes with this guy, he was driving down the street he waved a gun at me, and that's when i shot him. >> he said this had been an ongoing dispute with george zimmerman? >> yes, sir. this is the third incident he had. >> do you know how they happen to be -- how they came to be driving down the same street at the same time? >> no. not at all. he didn't say anything about that. >> obviously he was armed. did he say that zimmerman was armed? >> he said he saw a gun. i don't know if he waived it at him or pointed at him. but he saw a gun. and he shot him. >> he saw george zimmerman's gun? >> yes, sir. >> and did he shoot him from his vehicle while he was driving? >> yes. >> as they were driving down the street, he shot at him. >> at this point has anyone from the lake mary police department, have they talked to you? >> the detective was supposed to come before 5:00 today, they did not get there and they will probably show up tomorrow, with you they said someone will be talking with me.
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>> kenneth, i appreciate you talking with us. thank you. >> thank you very much for the time. >> joining me now, mark geragos and former federal prosecutor sunny hostin. what do you make of this, road rage is one thing, to have had several road rage incidences with this same person, that seems bizarre to me. >> yeah, it is rather bizarre, if it's true, the third time. we apparently know of twice. i think the other thing in your interview that was kind of significant is the fact that the police were supposed to show up and talk to at least one of the witnesses who was fresh on the scene and they didn't bother which tells you about how much the police want to get involved with anything where george zimmerman is the complaining witness. >> sunny, what do you make of this? he's had obviously a number of run-ins. >> i think what's remarkable, is that we are now talking about five incidents, three domestic violence incidents. two road rage incidents that have been reported. and all of them involving allegations of george zimmerman
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brandishing a gun. that is an aggressive action. he seems to say every time he's the victim, he's on the receiving end. it calls into question certainly his credibility. his state of mind. what is going on with george zimmerman? and i think what is also going to be quite ironic, anderson is if this shooter is charged with aggravated assault or attempted murder, his defense will be he was standing his ground against george zimmerman because he feared for his life because george zimmerman was brandishing a gun. it's ironic at the very best. >> i assume police would have searched the vehicle to see if george zimmerman did have a weapon on him? >> well my guess is they searched the vehicle, or they really didn't care all that much. at a certain point they've seen that every one of these post acquittal incidents ends up in nothing happening.
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so why are they going to pursue this and kind of drill a dry hole, doesn't make a lot of sense. i'm just not so sure they really give a hoot about this case. >> it's interesting, though, mark, a lot of people who have been in the news, who have been acquitted of crimes or of a trial, they choose to kind of lay low, casey anthony, certainly, for example. >> casey anthony. >> you have to wonder about george zimmerman, either he's attracting issues or -- just by the very reality of who he is people recognizing him, trouble seems to follow him. >> he obviously was a polarizing figure. there's a lot of people who would like to take him out or provoke him, i suppose, so in his defense, he could always argue that. but it does seem that trouble seems to follow him, whether he instigates it or he's the recipient of it.
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>> i think that's pretty charitable. >> i'm a charitable guy. >> the suggestion that somehow trouble follows george zimmerman. not one, not two, not three, but five already ins stances of george zimmerman brandishing his gun, but he claims he's not the aggressor about trayvon martin and he's the victim all the time. i think we need to call it what it is. >> if you believe what's being reported. three of the incidents involve this guy. i don't know who has the fascination or fetish here, there's something going on between these two. >> well, we -- >> it's more than three incidents, we're talking now six altogether. >> he's talking with this one guy. >> sunny, we'll see you, mark geragos, thank you. set your dvr, you can watch 360 whenever you want. just ahead, a lot more breaking news tonight. the other cleat drops for tom brady, suspended for four games
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-- deflated in the game that sent his team to the super bowl. brady's agent called the punishment ridiculous and he'll appeal. the patriots have been fined $1 million and will lose their first round draft pick in the next draft. brady denied any wrongdoing. in a news conference shortly after the story first broke. he didn't say much about it at all last week, when the report from the nfl commission came out. cnn correspondent rachel nichols joins me now. you just within the last hour, received a statement from the agent. don yee, what else does he say? >> he's going full barrel on this one. heed the discipline is ridiculous and has no legitimate basis. he said in my opinion, the outcome was predetermined, that's a pretty serious accusation. he said there was no fairness in the wells investigation whatever. also disputed one key component of the disciplinary handdown, he said tom cooperated fully with the investigation. he answered every question presented to him, he made the statement going-forward, we will
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appeal, and if the hearing officer is completely independent and neutral, i am very confident the wells report will be exposed as an incredibly frail exercise in fact-finding and logic. he went on to say that the nfl has a history of making poor disciplinary decisions and they're often overturned when a truly independent arbiter decides. he lowers the hammer at the end of the statement, he says, sadly today's decision diminish's the nfl as it tells its fans, players and coaches that the games on the field don't count as much as the games played on park avenue. that's obviously referring to the nfl offices. i want to take you back to the second to last part of that statement. he talks about a truly neutral arbitrator. the appeals process is set up. by the way, tom brady has three days now to appeal. the appeals officer -- roger goodell. it's his executive vice president who levied this punishment. so there's a procedure in place for roger goodell if he wants
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to to designate someone outside the league to hear tom brady's case. and as tom brady's agent points out, when they have picked someone outside the nfl in the past, those decisions have in fact been reduced or overturned. not so much when they pick someone in the nfl, it's fully up to roger goodell, it's at his discretion who hear this is appeal. so that's something we'll be watching over the next three days. as for the patriots themselves, robert kraft has come out in a statement saying they don't plan to appeal. this million dollar fine, the largest ever levied against the -- a team ever. >> i want to bring in sports columnist from we. and drew rosenhauk. as an agent, what's your reaction? do you think it's fair? is missing four games without pay enough? >> i think it's incredibly
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unfair. i think it's way too steep. it's harsh. the nfl is on a mission right now to repair some of the mistakes they've made in the past with penalties, with previous cases -- >> that's what you think this is about? >> -- like ray rice. absolutely! there's no justification to suspend brady four games, there's no real evidence here, there's no way they can take a first round pick which is a coveted thing, a record fine and a fourth round pick this is unprecedented. the nfl league office on this one, out of control. and rachel said it best, what's really scary is that they can make up these unfounded disciplinary decisions and then the appeals process is anything but neutral. the people who hear it are people who work for roger goodell or roger goodell himself. that is a joke, there has to be a neutral arbitrator in all of these cases, including this one. >> mike, i know you've said that without a smoking gun, there wasn't proof that brady did anything wrong. and obviously the nfl they thought differently, you believe they're wrong here also?
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>> well, clearly they're wrong, and i couldn't agree more with drew because remember guys this is not about the crime, but the cover-up and that's clearly what roger goodell is sending down. and troy vincent his right-hand man in this case is handing down in delivering this verdict, he is saying, that you didn't cooperate fully, you didn't hand over the texts, even though we went out of our way to provide you protection, and that is why the nfl is coming down, not because they found that tom brady did anything illegal, as a matter of fact they stipulated in their initial findings, they couldn't prove that tom brady did anything illegal. i think it's ridiculous a gross overreach of their authority. and i clearly expect this to be appealed perhaps down to one or two games or maybe even a suspension repealed altogether. >> it's interesting to hear tom brady's agents saying they fully cooperated.
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the nfl said brady did not turn over the text. >> this is a two-pronged punishment. the nfl feels they caught him cheating at least in the respect of the phrase we repeated so many times over the past few days, more probable than not. it's a standard that is similar to a civil case in our courts of law, is it a preponderance of the evidence, and they feel their investigation for which they played millions of dollars and spent four months on, showed a preponderance of the evidence, more probable than not more than half they feel that tom brady was involved or had knowledge of this cheating at the organization. some of the lower level employees carried out this cheating. this is one prong of this discipline, they feel their investigator found this to the standard they expect to hold. they don't want other teams around the league feeling, we can bend the rules a little bit. hey, it's not going to have that much impact on the game. we can decide which rules we need to follow and which rules we don't. they want to put the hammer down and say you can't cheat.
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or what we see this our eyes as cheating. now the second prong of this is you better talk to us when we come to investigate. what's fascinating here the nfl does not have subpoena power. they cannot force anyone to tell them anything. as you saw in the investigation, they cannot make tom brady hand over his cell phone records, the only power they have is the threat in future investigations that they are going to come down on you so hard for not cooperating, it is better to cooperate and voluntarily hand over your records, hand over your testimony, because if you don't the punishment is worse, for not doing, than for whatever you're scared you're going to show them by handing over. this is a little bit of a message to the rest of the league as well. >> a big concern that i have here is not only is the league heavy handed in the discipline but this is really has a huge impact. you're talking about a hall of fame quarterback, a legendary coach, the super bowl champs, and this is a really severe
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penalty, now you've got an appeals process that is a joke. that is a double problem here, and i think that something that absolutely has to be corrected. i'm sure that tom brady and his agent absolutely would be effective in appealing this. it really isn't a foundation, whether he cooperated or not. you're suspending a guy four games. you're taking away his livelihood. not only that it's wrong. >> go ahead, drew. >> i just think it's wrong. you can't suspend people for that. >> not only that but if i can interject. i wrote this after the story broke in january. this could have been dealt with so much differently by roger goodell, if he had brought the parties together in three or four days, handed out an equipment violation. which is all this is. it's an equipment violation. but instead, it looks like for
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all the world that the nfl conducted a sting operation, and it spun out of control, pure and simple. >> all right, we'll see what happens on appeal. appreciate it. just ahead, there are scenes of destruction throughout the central united states, more than 70 tornados in the midwest and plains states, tearing roofs off schools, leveling homes, destroying more than a third of a town in texas. we'll survey the damage coming up. if you misplaced your discover card you can now use freeze it to prevent new purchases on your account in seconds. and once you find it
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school in lake city, iowa during an awards ceremony. the roof of their school blown off soon after. >> there goes the school! there goes the school! >> in nashville, arkansas an ef-2 tornado with sustained winds of 135 miles per hour strikes a mobile home park killing the young parents of an 18-month-old girl as they tried to seek shelter. the girl is fortunate to be alive. >> it's bad, i don't know that i've seen this kind of damage in nashville since i've been in the department here for over 17 years. >> it was van, texas, a town of just over 2300, some 60 miles northeast of dallas that sustained the most damage. sirens blair -- blared giving
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residents mere minutes to take shelter. a tornado tore through the small city, reducing much of its path to rubble. over 30% of the town, some 100 homes reduced to splinters. with at least two dead and many more injured. canine units and rescuers climbed through the rubble. flash flooding was reported in large parts of texas through kansas, rescuers use helicopters, picking up stranded residents after some areas received more than 10 inches of rain. all together the weekend storms claimed at least five lives with scores more injured. as you just saw, the small town was hit hard, homes leveled, trees, power lines knocked down. more than 1/3 of the town destroyed. donna and her son are lucky to be alive tonight. they were huddled in the bathroom with other family members, including three young kids when the tornado hit, destroying the home. donna and chris join me. >> if you could, take us back to those moments before the tornado hit. you were at your house with your family, what happened? >> my stepmother called and she had gotten a text from her
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friend that she needed us to take cover because there was a tornado coming. and our stepmother wanted us to come to her house and try to help her get my dad out of the bed and into the floor. i asked my husband if we had time to do that, and he stepped outside, heard the sirens, said no, you know, get in the bathroom, get in the bathroom, and he checked again, and he said, it's here, he got in the bathroom, shut the door and you heard glass shatter and then the door just disappeared and we all just laid on the floor and grabbed ahold of each other and rode it out. >> how many of you were in the bathroom? >> there were seven total. >> wow! >> four adults and we had three children under three years old, there were 3-year-olds, 2-year-olds and a 4-month-old baby. >> what was it like? all of you in the bathroom. what was it like when the storm actually hit? >> loud, man, real loud. it's the only thing i could think of.
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it sounded like a jet engine above your head. you couldn't open your eyes, because there was so much dust flying around. >> how long do you think it lasted? >> it could have been a minute, it could have been five, it just -- you know, only thing we were holding on to each other. >> finally, when you opened your eyes, what did you see? >> the sky. that's it. there was no walls, nothing. >> so everything was already destroyed around you when you opened your eyes, it was like you were outside? >> yes, we were outside on the foundation. >> that's incredible. don, that was -- i can't imagine what that's like to suddenly open your eyes and find out it's all gone around you. >> it's very scary, but then you start wondering, where's this person, that person, once you find out everybody's okay, you
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thank god for your blessings and everything else is just possessions, we can rebuild. >> how are you doing now, donna? >> in pain. i didn't -- i would not leave my father, he's a disabled vietnam vet, i have a broke toe, i would not leave him to go to the emergency room until 4:00 this morning. i have still not slept, had a few pain pills, but i haven't had a chance to get to the pharmacy to get my pain pills. i'm a survivor and i know god's going to take care of us. >> i'm sorry for what you went through, i'm glad you have each other and everybody came out of this okay. thank you so much for talking to us. we wish you the best. >> thank you. >> glad to be here. >> up next is everything you think you know about the killing of osama bin laden a lie? that's essentially the charge of investigative journalist seymour hersh. i'll speak with him and leo
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nearly everything you think you knew about how osama bin laden has been called into question, from how he was found to the secret raid that took him down. >> tonight i can report to the american people and the world that the united states has conducted an operation that killed osama bin laden the leader of al qaeda. >> the announcement certainly stunned a lot of people in the weeks that followed. the white house shared more details about how the cia tracked bin laden to the compound in abbottabad pakistan. we heard about the courier that led them to him. now veteran investigative journalist is calling that official account essentially a lie in the 10,000 word story in the london review of books. hersh said the raid was staged in the pakistani officials after an informant revealed that pakistani services were keeping
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bin laden locked up in that compound apart from the saudis. a staged raid and an elaborate cover-up. the white house and cia says it's nonsense, i spoke to see -- seymour hersh earlier. >> you assert that the official american version of what happened to osama bin laden is almost entirely false. you said the pakistanis were hiding osama bin laden. that they knew about the raid that there was no firefight in the compound, that the saudis were fronting bin laden's expenses. that they tossed his body outside of the helicopter. what motive would the u.s. have for lying about this, not just the u.s. but the pakistanis and saudis. >>r. >> most of what you said is what i write in my most recently article. all i can tell you is as far -- the simple way to describe is it, the president -- or president did authorize the raid. the s.e.a.l.s carried it out, they killed bin laden, they got in and out successfully and the rest is hogwash. >> why would there be a massive
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conspiracy involving dozens of people in three different countries that has sustained itself until now -- what would be the motive for setting up this elaborate hoax? >> the critical thing, we -- that happened we weren't supposed to go public with the raid. the deal with the rest of the upper reaches of the pakistani military community was that we were going to -- the s.e.a.l.s were going to go in, kill this guy, grab the body, take it out, 7 to 10 days, i've had two different numbers, later -- the president, we were going to announce that -- president obama was going to announce we did a drone strike in the no man's land between pakistan and afghanistan, waziristan the hindu kush mountain area and my
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god, we saw this big guy, he looked familiar we got bin laden. instead the night of the raid the president, the only thing the people talked to me the military and intelligence people. he did it for political purposes. i don't know what was in the president's mind. he announced that we got him. >> look, there are plenty of people who share your skepticism, in this situation, there are members of s.e.a.l. team 6 who have gone public and said the raid happened as the government said, their comrades put their lives at risk, shot at in the compound. >> right. >> bullet holes all over the place, are you saying they're lying? >> i'm saying i can tell you one thing, i don't know about o'neil, he said we went in thinking we were going to die, which i think is a great exaggeration. and bissonnette, who also wrote the book no easy day, or something like that certainly was not telling the truth about that. there a lot of stuff, interesting stuff in his book operational stuff, that everybody, most of his fellow
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s.e.a.l.s laugh at. >> your main sources on this, is one -- somebody you say is a required intel -- retired intel official who had access to the initial intelligence and the after action reports as well -- who's unnamed as well as a pakistani official from the isi who retired, i believe in the early '90s? >> well, but two things, the pakistani officials said i think he told one of your colleagues, i have no evidence, he certainly has no evidence, he has no piece of paper, he knows what he learned in talking to his comrades and fellow senior officers. there's a community there. he learned right away. >> so our viewers who haven't read the article, there's no documented evidence for what you're saying? >> absolutely. i don't think there's a piece of paper left. if you read the article also, you know that at that point a year or two after the raid, the general -- admiral mcraven, who was deeply involved in the planning of this, purged all of the files in the pentagon of everything related to the bin laden raid and sent it to the cia, which because they have
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different rules, much more centered rules about dealing with freedom of information requests. they can deny almost anything based on operational security. >> why go through having a raid? i mean, no matter -- even if there was a member of pakistani intelligence, they're walking them through the compound even if the guards were removed, any kind of venture into pakistan, any kind of military operation comes with risk. if the pakistanis were in control of bin laden this entire time, why not just have them kill him and hand over his body. and then the u.s. says whatever they want to say. i'm not sure why they needed to have this delicate raid at all. >> let me just say this. if you believe that osama bin laden who after 2001 was the most hunted fugitive in the world, the most vicious enemy of america, if you believe that he decided at some point five or six years down the road that he -- oh the place to go to hide out and be safe was in
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abbottabad. a resort town 40 miles outside of islamabad, where a lot of upper class people go. his house wasn't very ritzy, he was going to go there, the west point of pakistan their military economy was a mile or two away. the regimented headquarters was two or three miles away. it's the old joke as i wrote in the article, it's a louis carroll story. it's a fabulation. it can't be right. >> it's a fascinating article, i encourage everyone to read it. >> it was fun doing this. >> a lot of people, not just white house officials are taking issue with mr. hersh's reporting. joining me now, peter bergen. author of "manhunt: the ten-year search for bin laden." one of the few journalists who have interviewed bin laden face to face. he visited his compound after the raid and before the pakistani military demolished it. >> you heard what cy hersh said tonight.
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he's knot -- got tremendous history as a journalist. he's broken important stories years ago, what do you make of this one? >> that's all true, but the firefight that took place at the bin laden compound is incontrovertibly true. the idea that it was a piece of performance art cooked up by the united states and the pakistanis. there's no evidence for that. in fact there's a lot of counter-failing evidence. you mentioned in your interview, you have the two s.e.a.l.s on the record explaining about the firefights, i saw with my own eyes, the damage this raid inflicted on the compound before it was demolished. >> he's saying there are no other shots fired than the shots that killed win -- bin laden. >> that's right. >> you saw bullet holes? >> i mean i -- there was quite an intense exchange of fire with one of the body guards. dozens of bullet holes in one of the houses in the compound before they even got to bin laden. so that sort of factual element we is set aside. there was a firefight, there wasn't a setup between the u.s. and pakistanis which is one of
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the principal claims. >> there is an nbc report tonight which doesn't corroborate a majority or everything that he alleges, but a stipster did walk up to the u.s. embassy in islamabad to tip-off american officials about bin laden's whereabouts. >> well, that's a very interesting report, and i think we need to dig into it, the deputy director of the cia has a new book out and he's going to be on cnn, he's the operational guy in charge of this operation. and i think it's a good opportunity to ask him about this. i mean, the fact that there was a walk in -- the possibility, you know, that's an interesting new dimension of the story, i think it needs to be dug into. who that walk-in was, what he said, how it fits into the larger picture, it's not clear yet. >> what hersh is also basing this article on is his source saying essentially that the saudis were supporting bin laden for years while he was in
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hiding which, bin laden was a sworn enemy of the saudieesrn enemy of the saudieesaudis, he wanted to destroy them. >> right, if there's one person the saudis would want to kill, in fact, according to al qaeda itself, there were multiple assassination attempts before 9/11 by the saudis, the idea that they were financing him, it doesn't pass any common sense test. and pakistan and saudi are very close allies. what -- if they knew that he was there, they would say the pakistanis, hey, our guys are going to go and get rid of him. that part of the story makes no sense at all, anderson. >> if what he is saying is true, this would have had to have been a massive conspiracy being held secretly by dozens and dozens of people not just the united states but in pakistan and saudi arabia. >> i would make the number bigger, by the time the raid happened, there were dozens and dozens of people at the white house. there were scores and scores at the cia, a good number at the pentagon. this was -- the secret had
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become -- had to go wider and wider as the raid got planned. the idea that every one of those persons is lying, i don't buy it. >> peter bergen, appreciate you being on. a mississippi community in mourning, two young police officers killed in the line of duty over the weekend, the family of one of those officers joins me ahead, the depth of their pain, they say they have found a way to forgive a person or persons who did this. an incredible family, you'll hear from them ahead. just stay calm and move as quietly as possible. no sudden movements. google search: bodega beach house.
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in hattiesburg, mississippi two fallen police officers are being mourned. they were shot to death while making a traffic stop on saturday. officer dean was 34 years old, a canine officer who made many drug arrests with his dog at his side. officer tate was 24. a rookie police officer. at a vigil today, both were remembered for their dedication and contributions to the community. their deaths have shaken the city. until saturday, it had been more than 30 years since an officer had been shot in hattiesburg. four suspects charged in the killings went before a judge today. the bullets fired saturday took two lives and shattered two families, joining me tonight,
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officer tate's mother, brother sister and stepfather. >> yolonda, i'm so forry for your loss, what your family is going through. can you tell us a little bit about what your son was like what kind of man he was? >> we called him coco, he was loving, caring, respectful young man. he was a protector, he went the extra mile, he treated everyone that he met with dignity and honor, he was funny, he loved to eat, he loved the lord, he loved his mama's cooking. and he was very proud of his dad. ronald instilled a lot of qualities in cory, his dream to become a police officer, and he was just a wonderful son.
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>> i know you spoke with your brother just shortly before he was killed. he was calling to check on you, is that something he did a lot? >> yes, sir. he would always kind of drop by my apartment to check on me, and shoot me a text message or call. i remember one time in particular he was coming over from work in his uniform. as he was headed out the door i heard something in my back room. not sure what it was. but he quickly took his pistol out and he was searching around. in my mind i was like, look at my brother. protecting me, even though it was nothing. he was serious about it. he doesn't play about his family, especially his sister. >> i know, i believe you said that you actually have forgiven the perpetrators who killed your stepson. can you talk to me about that? that's an extraordinary thing. >> sure.
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we're a faith-based family. and certainly jesus, who all three of us believe in and so did cory. we place our faith in him in our walk. he taught us to forgive. all of us were created in god's image, we believe that, there's still hope for that individual through god. and if they never turn around, that's on them. but for us we're going to forgive and not let that hinder us we can't go wrong. >> i know you want something that happens as a result of this. something to come out of all of this that your son's death, not be in vein, what do you hope happens? >> bring people closer together, that they turn away from violence, and turn toward loving each other, helping each other. that's what i would want to come out of this. something very positive that people can not only celebrate
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for one day, or for one occasion this would be an ongoing thing, people would come together in prayer and turn away from violence. >> you're incredibly strong to be even able to talk about him at this point in your grief. it's important for you, though? >> it's very important, because i want the world to know that he was a wonderful son, a wonderful person. when he put on his uniform, it wasn't just a routine or a -- oh, here we go again, another day, no. every inch of his uniform he put a lot of honor and dignity in putting on that uniform, from the tie and the cuff links, he put that on with pride. a lot of pride. and he took his job very seriously. very seriously.
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>> youlander, in your moment of grief, i appreciate you sharing a little bit of him with us. and thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> thank you. >> incredibly strong family. we'll be right back. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot but ended up nowhere. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq.
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world. fareed zakaria explores the origins of the group. journalists share some rare video from inside isis controlled territory. >> this extraordinary video gives us a rare look into every day life under isis. >> it brings to mind the writer, -- the writer's concept, the banality of evil. isis has its own license plates and traffic cops who give parking tickets. and there are friendly shop keepers. >> completely brainwashed. completely. i've never in my life met people like this. >> this of course is the mosul officials wanted him to see. they gave him written permission to come to the city and they let him leave alive to make a point.
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