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housekeeping to tell you about, erika garner was supposed to join us tonight but didn't make it. we'll try to get her back soon. that's it for us tonight. we'll see you back here soon. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening, tonight new developments in the story of this girl, baby doe, a computer rendering of what authorities think she may have looked like before her body tragically turned up on a massachusetts coastline. randi kaye working her sources and will join us soon with her new reporting about the case. we begin with breaking news out of mexico city. we are expecting any minute now to hear from mexico's interior minister with late developments in the hunt for el chapo guzman, head of mexico's drug cartel.
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before he was captured the last time around, 18 months ago, he held the dubious distinction of being both america and mexico's most wanted. and one of forbes magazines wealthiest people. a man with a billion dollars to his name and the blood of thousand of people on his hands. until this weekend locked up in a prison not far from mexico city, maximum security prison or so it seemed until el chapo crawled and walked out. knick valencia joins us outside the prison with more on the search for him and for answers. what's the latest, next. >> reporter: whether it's out of embrarsment or because of their ongoing investigation, officials are not saying much. as it seems, anderson this escape was planned not only in plain view of the prison officials and federal police but also the military. we spent our day outside of that rural home where it's said thattel chapo escaped. we saw a heavy military presence federal police there as well.
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we couldn't get closer than 50 yards to the front door. the tunnel was not accessible. it seems they are looking for him still in this area. the locals that we have spoken to they say givenel chapo's past they think he is long gone. anderson? >> mexico's president staked an awful lot on this had said if he was able to escape again it would be a hurge embarrassment. i'm wondering, what kind of reaction has this been getting in mexico not only among officials but among people you have talked to? >> reporter: he called it in an interview with holiday press unforgivable a second escape biel chapo. criticism from the locals saying that the president hasn't returned from his trip in europe. he was in france when he heard the news. back to the conversations with the farmers. they told me interestingly enough that the construction started to that rural home wherel chapo is said to have
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escaped eight months ago, around december and finished around february or march. and people stuck around and that drew suspicion of some of the farmers. especially generally speak people don't work here on sundays but people were working round the clock what they say is to pick up the dirt heavy machinery. i spoke to one farmer who says her reaction is nothing but fear hearing thattel chapo is back on the loose. >> nick i precious your reporting. whatever role if any guards or other insiders played the tunnel it self is annel chapo signature. in his prior 13 years at large he equipped many of his hide outs with tunnels. as 60 minutes' bill whitaker discovered you lift up the bathtub and discover a tunnel underneath. they would go on for files, connect with sewer lines or connect with another safe house tunnel. this time it was built straight into and straight out of a
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maximum security prison. tom foreman. >> reporter: this prison had plenty of security measures in place above ground. they had ways of blocking cell phone signals. they had heavily armored vehicles to repulse any sort of ground assault. they even had three foot thick walls so rockets to could not break in. and yet for all of thattel chapo found a way to burrow out right under the nose of mexican authorities and goat this freedom tunnel off in the distance and go completely free. how did he manage? first of all, he tapped into the expert teefs his gaining, which has been known to build all sorts of tunnels force transporting direct examination and eluding their enemies. they started beneath a shower one of the few places where he wasn't being vonn monitored by video 24 hours a day. he went 33 feet straight down. when you look at the details this tunnel you see an engineering marvel. this thing was 5.5 feet tall same as his height. almost two and a half feet wide
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so he could simply walk through it. it was reinforced with wood so they could keep track of the structural sbegity. they had a lighting system so they could see. they had a ventilation system so there would be no gases that could possibly overcome anyone there. they had a track along the bottom so they could transplantort dirt out on a cart or motorcycle. what we know this thing was a mile long. over that distance it could have taken a year to build, easily, and yet one of the most wanted drug dealers in the world was able to walk out there in what would have been ten minutes or less. anderson? >> tom, we've covered drug tunnels extensively from mexico into the u.s. i've been inside them. we've heard about new technology that was supposed to help find these tunnels. could that have helped there? >> you have stood down there, you wonder how could they not hear this going on? i talked with a geophysicist
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with the mitre corporation which is contracted with the government to help develop better systems like this. she told me it's not that good yet. this is a difficult task. you are three stories down. even if you have devices listening for digging, they have to be really close before they can tell that something is going on here. >> bigger question, though is how come nobody noticed the dirt? we said,s that mile long here. think about this. if it's a mile long you are taking a lot of dirt away. in fact more than 200 big dump trucks full. it's hard to imagine, anderson that for all of that going on nobody out here seem to have noticed anything. >> there was that construction site that this tunnel emptied out into. perhaps this was masking it with some of that construction work. tom, appreciate the reporting. thank you. it is an extraordinary development. we've just learned that the press conference in mexico city just got pushed back slightly. we'll keep an eye on it bring
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you late developments if there is any news from there that we've learned. our next guest has devoted a major part of his career to catchingel chapo. working with mexican counterparts and formerize i.c.e. officials. you were involved in the hunt for over a decade when he was out last time when you heard he escaped this time what did you think? >> i was really shocked. frankly, not surprised. he is a very elusive character. and not only hard to track down but as we are finding out hard to keep in captivity as well. >> is it so much that he escaped or that he was allowed to escape? it seems impossible that there wasn't collusion of people inside this prison. >> you know this one, i think it relied less on bribing his way out and a lot more just traditional means.
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you know this is somebody who really perfected the tunneling system. it's not only to bring drugs into the united states but that's how he evaded being captured ten years is through tunnels. it's not surprising that you know in his second captivity in a maximum security prison that he resorted to what he knew best. and that was heavily engineered construction tunnel. you know popping right up underneath the floor of his cell. amazing. >> i've been in a number of these tunnels on the border that have been discovered. just the intricacy of them the elaborate ventilation system electricity, but even to be able to -- i mean you need a lot of technological know-how in order to be able to dig a tunnel from the outside that gets you -- that gets right to the exact spot in the prison that is necessary. that's a complicated feat. >> yes, it is. and anderson i know you've been on a southwest border and you have seen some of the tunnels that we've seized over the years. and you often see that they get
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off track in different areas and have to kind of adjust. and often even come up two or three meters from where they originally intended to. this one was very, very precise. >> does he now just go into hiding? do you think he tries to maintain an operational role? >> yeah. you know he will start influencing things immediately. the one thing is with this is that he had a year to plan not only as he was planning his escape through the tunnel but also how he was going to avoid being arrested again and assume control. so he's really got a headstart on nerve the search for him now as well as the ability to direct estart nunsing the cartel once again. >> there were a number of people who flipped, gave information. do you think he will look for retribution. >> i think down the road he will. right now, he is -- his main focus is his escape and his continued freedom.
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>> was it worth capturing him in 2014? >> absolutely. you know this is something that you can never predict. it definitely sent a signal that the cartels in mexico that mexico and the united states would cooperate and share information. and at the same time mexican mill father and law enforcement risked their lives to go after the baddest. and at all costs. and they demonstrated. that i think they will continue to demonstrate that as now they hundred for him once again. >> thanks for talking with us. as i mentioned we are awaiting a press conference with mexican authorities awaiting new information about the massive manhunt underway. and also waiting to hear about exactly how this happened how the number one person on the radar of law enforcement, the number one drug runner that they had in captivity was able to escape yet again from a prison. we are also coming -- i'm going to take you inside one of those
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sophisticated drug tunnels and actually show you what it's like. and we'll visit sinaloa where guzman is feared by many worshipped by others. also tonight, donald trump, who has been tweeting about the escape and continuing to ramp up his rhetoric on border issues. the question is is he gaining tread even as he his party tries to get him to tone down. you have heard about that uptick in shark attacks. we have a 16-year-old, and he will talk about how he survived the encounter and the recovery that's now ahead of him.
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change to a drug lord. whether to get out of prison or in the case of so many other tunnels, to smuggle billions of dollars in drugs across the u.s./mexican border. a few years ago border officials uncovered a massive tunnel between san diego and tijuana. and they showed us around. take a look. this is the most sophisticated tunnel they have ever discovered. certainly the most sophisticated i've ever seen. light bulbs. so there is an electrical system. this is an air vent. this is actually cool air circulating in here fresh air circumstance laid which is important the deeper you go. there is even a phone system. the phones still work. and that way people inside the tunnel could communicate with anyone up above. but what is really remarkable here is what i'm about to show you. this is motor works for an elevator. it is a primitive elevator no doubt. but they brought this down here. this is elevator itself. it's basically a large cart on
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wheels. we're going to take you down and show you what happens then. only about two people can hit in the tunnel at once. it is a slow operation to bring people down here. they don't think this tunnel was used to ferry illegal immigrants into the country of the it's too great of a risk. when you are putting the amount of money that you put into this tunnel you don't want to have large numbers of people moving through because those people could get arrested and give up information. so it's likely this tunnel was just for drugs. when you get to the bottom you climb out and there is a lot of sandbags that we have to crawl through. what's amazing here we are now 90 feet deep. the lights still work down here. and the phones are even this deep underground. all right. we already crossed into the united states this. part of the tunnel again, you have to crouch down. it looks like this is all really
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loose dirt. and we haven't seen much loose dirt. so i'm just kind of assuming that they were in the process of carting some of this dirt out because it's really the only area so far in the tunnel that we've seen that has this kind of loose earth. but look at this huge pile of it. you get a sense of the amount the sheer involve earth that they had to cart away put into those plastic bags put into burr lap sacks, wheelbarrows get it up to the surface, into trucks and away so no one would notice. we know in theel chapo tunnel a lot of trucks would have been involved. whether it is tunneling, drug lords operate so brazenly they become in the territory they control virtual laws unto temselves. >> reporter: this is one of the most dangerous spots in mexico. a place where few outsiders go. we're driving through the heart
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of the mexican state of sinaloa, which is the home of a certain multinational business known as the sinaloa cartel one of the most powerful wealthy, brutal ruthless drug cartels that ever was. its leader is a man by the name of joaquin guzman better known assel chapo and this is his home. this issel chapo back in 1993 after he had been arrested the first time. but in 2001 he escaped in prison in a laundry cart. and this is him last year. after he was captured again while sleeping in his beachside hideaway in sinaloa his assault rifle by his side, as well a higgs wife. his 2-year-old twin daughters were also in the condo. he is the most wanted man in mexico. drugs are part of his business. scenes like these are directly connected to the wrath of the
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sinaloa cartel. much of the blood is spilled here in the nerve center of the cartel. >> translator: around here he is the legend. >> reporter: that mystique is part of the reason people are protective of him el chapo was seen as a modern day robin hood helping churn the economy with drug money. the common feeling, leave him alone and he will leave us alone. at this sinaloa cathedral one of the priests says it's commonly understood that people mind their manners when it comes toel chapo and his bloody expartly cloudy skies. >> translator: people from around hirono not to speak aboutel chapo. we don't talk about him. >> reporter: just driving drive around here and you will see how the drug king pichb and members of his cartel are idolized. store fronts bear the name of the cartel leader and it's not uncommon to seel chapo printed on the tochs license plate frames. but nothing eye idolizes the trade than here. money lines the walls and ceilings of a business and place of prayer that celebrates the
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drug culture and the life of a man who many compare toel chapo. this is a sight you never expect to see in a law-abiding society. this is a chappell dedicated to a man born in 1870. he is considered the patron saint for drug ill dealers. he was considered a robin hood back in his time. families of drug dealers come here to pray for people who died and also to pray for good transports of their drugs up north. here is a chappell. here is a sign, thank you to god. thank you to jesus for favor of protecting our family. and it's signed by a family here in sinaloa. the most buy czar scene may be this. driving down the street it first look like you are entering a neighborhood. but this is a cemetery, where cartel members are buried. this looks like a house but it's not. there is a body buried in here.
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it is a tomb. there are scores of similar mausoleums in the cemetery with the faces of the drug king pins posted outside. traffickers. and when the drug trade is glrified like this it's easy to see how someone likel chapo could rerepeatedly elude justice. gather tuchman, cnn, mexico. >> a lot more ahead tonight, including how donald trumps that seized on the prison break story making it a part of his message on border issues showing no sign of backing down. >> do you think that the president of mexico or the governors of the mexican states are involved in sending their undesirables to our country? >> yes, i do. no question. in the face of a little girl found in a trash bag near boston. two major developments either one of which could shed light on exactly what happened.
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the backlash is ramping up over donald trump's comments on illegal immigration. but at the same time his popular support seems to be picking up
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steam. hillary clinton tweeted in spanish just a few hours ago. the translation. i only have one word for mr. trump. enough. it's not just democrats who have had enough. on cnn's state of the union, senator listen degraham who is among those battling trump for the republican presidential nomination said this is a defining moment for the party and it needs to reject trumps way of thinking without any ambiguousity. >> there are some people who love zprump say that he is speaking the truth. what i think he is doing is being a demagogue. i think it's uninformed about the situation regarding the illegal immigrant population. i think he has hijacked the debates. i think he is a wrecking ball for the future of the republican party with the hispanic community and we need to push back. >> gop wrecking ball or not, trump's popularity cannot be denied. in the follows and at his events. the now monmouth university poll out today finds jeb bush lead the pack with 15%, trump is number two with # 13%.
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the two point gap is within the margin of error. over the weekend in phoenix donald trump had to move the campaign event to a bigger space because so many people wanted to go. perhaps no surprise given the locality. again, here's gary tuck. >> welcome the next president of the united states mr. donald trump! >> reporter: he entered the room to a song called real american, the same song wrestler hulk hogan used when entering the ring. to many the similarities between the two don't stop there. like with hogan, trump brings a flare for the dramatic. and subtlety? that's out the window. went to the warden's school of finance. i'm like a really smart person. i am more for the military. i am the most militaryistic person in this room. i would have a military that's so strong we wouldn't have to use it. i am a donor. i give to everybody. i want to get everybody done. everybody loves me. >> reporter: not everybody n. this packed phoenix ballroom
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which has a capacity of about 4500 people -- ] booing ] >> reporter: a lack of love from 20 protesters who unfurled a banner and shouted stop the racism, stop the hate in reference to trump's painting undocumented immigrants as racists and criminals. trump was not as a loss for words as protesters were ushered out. >> i wonder if the mexican government sent them out there. >> reporter: it's not known if he was joking because he has also said mexico was actually sending the undocumented immigrants over. here in phoenix he announced a plan the trump white house would implement. >> every time mexico really intelligently sends people over we charge mexico $100,000 for every person they send over. >> reporter: no further detail on how such a plan would work but it was rhetoric not specifics that kept the audience happy. >> the silent majority is back
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and we're going to take the country back. >> reporter: what do you think about his stance about illegal immigration? >> i think he gets take own out of context. i think he speaks for a number of americans who are too afraid to speak up and say, this is our country. we welcome immigrants just come in the right way. >> we need to build a wall and we need to put armed people on the border keep the illegals out. they are sending them to us and we are either putting them in jails or letting them go free. >> reporter: who are they? who is ordering these people to illegally cross the border? he hasn't answered that question until now. do you think that the president of meks corps or governors of the mexican states are involved in sending their undesirable people to this country? >> yes, i do. without question. >> reporter: even if it doesn't bring him him close to the republican presidential nomination it's further
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increasing his fame which donald trump has always enjoyed. and at least yet, no sign he will tone it down a notch. >> i will win the latino vote. i have employed tens of thousands of latinos over the years. i employ many right now. hispanics. right now. they love me. i love them. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn, phoenix. joining me anna match row, a republican strategist, and visor to gop candidates. >> and jeff lee lord a contributing editor of american spectator. you look at this rally in phoenix over the weekend. they had to move to a bigger location. clearly among the people there he is resonating with voters. you see that in polls, by focusing on illegal immigration. is that for him a winning strategy or does he have to branch out and talk about a greater variety of topics? >> i'm sure at some point he will branch out. fur running for president you will inevitably be talking about
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all sorts of other issues. i'm sure he won't hess at the same time clearly, this is an issue. this has touched a nerve. you know there is two different things going on here that i think are part of the same thing. ann coulter's book on the subject, adios america is riding the best seller list. donald trump in a separate situation is running for president and getting all these crowds. there is deep concern on the part of the american people as this whole incident cannel chapo illustrates all too well. so i think that that is you know very interesting thing here, sort of the cork has come off the bottle if you will. >> and anna lindsey graham said over the weekend donald trump is a wrecking ball for the republican party. do you agree? >> i think he is making things more difficult. i think we have a lot of work to do as republicans with the hispanic community, i think he is not making things easier. i'm happy there are voices like lindsey graham and jeb bush and
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marco roeb rubio and chris christie tee and rick perry and so many others that said donald trump is not representative of the republican party. yes, he is speaking to a segment. yes, he is speaking to anger and frustration from the american people who i think are rightly frustrated at theis function of washington that can't get the immigration issue addressed and solved. the bottom line is we should have immigration reform. we should have border security. the problem with donald trump is that he speaks in a very offensive tone, and he says that everything is bad. but he offers no solutions. because, anderson just calling somebody pathetic or a loser or something that's something -- or saying i'm going to build a wall and make mexico pay for it those aren't solutions. >> jeffrey -- >> can i -- >> yeah what about that? that is the criticism of him that a lot of it is rhetoric and when you actually push him on
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detailed solutions you know, how is he going to get mexico to pay for a wall that's going to cost potentially billions of dollars? >> right. one of the things i want to say in terms of the republican party and lindsey graham i've gone back and looked these were the same things said about ronald reagan. senator percy said if he was nominated it would signal the beginning of the ends of our american force. sometimes the exact same words. not a serious man. doesn't know what he is talking about. these things are being said about donald trump. they will all come out in due time. he is a very smart guy. i'm sure he will outline this. i don't have the slightest doubt about this. but this is old news and moderates in the republican party have been saying this for decades. they said it all about ron reagan and we know what happened. >> you knew ronald reagan and
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donald trump talks about reagan -- >> let me. >> i think what donald trump talks -- let me follow up with jeffrey. jeffrey, you knew rond reagan. donald trump says he is a fan of his. do you believe that donald trump has the qualities that reagan had? >> well they are different people. offensely, no two people are alike. but i do believe that he has drawn the same kind of critics who are saying the kinds of things. when he is being called al divisive force in the republican party, and nelson rockefeller said he was a minority in a minority. >> okay. >> chapter and verse on this kind of thing. >> anna go ahead. >> sure g go. >> i don't know what to tell you other than i think comparing donald trump to ronald reagan should be a sack are lij for any republican. ronald reagan was the governor of the largest state in the union. today we have governor scott walker announce and here we are
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talking about a carnival barker who offers no solutions and just points out everything that's wrong with america without showing optimism without showing vision without showing an agenda. so i think that, you know, what bothers me about this is that i think he is sucking up the oxygen. certainly it's great ratings because people like us are on tv fighting about it. but we are not talking about the really important things that should be part of a presidential campaign. >> anderson one of the things i find remarkable here is that he built this entire trump organization. i mean this is a mammoth organization with these properties all over the world. i mean he has done a lot more than a lot of governors have done. the notion that this experience is somehow irrelevant or makes him a clown is just frankly i think bizarre. >> we'll see how he does certainly on the stage when he is face to face with some of these career politicians. that's going to be interesting to watch. jeffrey lord anna and a half
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re -- coming up there is breaking news in the little girl whose remains were found in a trash bag near boston. we will show you what toxicology tests are showing. also later, meet a 16-year-old boy who lost an arm in a shark attack that happened just a short time ago. his spirit and optimism hasn't been lost. i visit him at his home a few days ago. he toll me how close he came to dieing and what his life is like now.
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breaking news tonight in the search for answers after little girl's remains were found in a trash bag near boston nearly three weeks ago. authorities still don't know who she is but they do have new pieces of the puzzle tonight.
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rabds randi kaye joins me now. what have you learned about how baby doe ended up on that shoreline. >> reporter: i got off the phone with the folks spokesman for the county district attorney's office and i was told the working theory right now is that this child was indeed placed on that shoreline, left on those rocks. as you recall, she was wrapped in that black plastic garbage bag. and the reason they don't think she was put in the water elsewhere and came ashore at deer island was based on the condition of her body. flfs some talk she was from canada or nova scotia but authorities now think that is not the case. >> also do you have new information about the toxicology reports on her? >> reporter: i do. i've learned some of the toxicoming testing has actually come back. these are critical tests. we know they are looking to see if she was poisoned or maybe she ingested some type of poison or drug on her own. and on friday we had been told
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it could take at least week to get these results back. i'm told tonight that some of them are back and they do not indicate that baby doe ingested say drano or bleach or anything else that may have been found under the kitchen sink. now they are doing further toxicology tests as they continue to try to find out what happened to this little girl. more than 53 million people have seen the computer generated image of the little girl. more than 614,000 have shared it since it was posted on facebook. joining me is the forensic artist who created that image. and also i'm joined by an fbi profilar. >> christie, what are the steps that you take to create an image that's as accurate as possible? >> we will receive images from law enforcement, morgue photos. and we'll take a look at these photos and first determine if we can actually clean up the photos
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themselves. and there is too much trauma or decomposition, we will do an image from scratch, if you will. we'll use on line stock photos as references. and we'll sort of piece together a composite using those references. >> and the fact that police believe that this little girl was found not long after she had died i assume that makes it somewhat easier to create the image? >> yeah they believe they found her very quickly. so we are looking at bone structure, the hair the proportions of the face all these things are going to let us you know hopefully be as accurate as possible. but we also like to say these are hope-based images. we're not creating portraits of people as much as we'd like to. we're creating tools for law enforcement. >> so hope-based images. you mean -- explain that. >> we are hoping that there is
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somebody that knows this child and will seeing in in that composite that sparks recognition and that they will come forward and say something and say you know i think this could be this person that i know. >> mary ellen, after nearly three weeks, authorities, they are no closer to identifying her. we understand part of the toxicology came back clean. she has no physical signs of abuse that we've heard of. does it appear to you still that whoever did this knew her? >> it's just that a 4-year-old child f they go missing, they are 99% of the time there is a police report. the police report is filed by a baby-sitter or by a caregiver or a family member. so there is just a remarkable silence surrounding this child. and secondly a 4-year-old child has very small circle of people that they connect with. their social footprint is extremely small. so the question is if she is not
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known by baby-sitters or a day care person why is that? what you have to conclude is that her contacts even with people like that were really very small. and there is very few reasons that would explain keeping a child almost a secret. >> christie i mean when you do this there is obviously you know there is a huge benefit for -- it can help -- you know it can help identify what has happened to somebody. at the same time it is very personal and intimate work. personally is it -- is it difficult for you to do this? >> when i first started this job, you know there was a time period where i knew for myself that -- sort of a grace period of getting used to doing this type of work. and then you know once i got used to you know seeing these images on a daily basis, it's -- you know, i'm doing a job. you know each case i do feel a
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little connected to because you are creating an image of somebody you know how you feel they looked in life. and so there is a that small connection. >> mary ellen, the fact that investigators now believe her body was in fact left on the shore and didn't wash up what does that tell you? >> well that tells me that the amount of time that was spent disposing of her body was really minimal. and that's not surprising in any way. and sadly, it's hard to say this but when people are put -- children are put in a garbage bag like that and they are just disposed of it's like disposing of gash j. it's diss sissening to have to say that. but i think she was disposed of very quickly and i think the disposal site was one that was expedient for the offender. and i would say, they are great investigators up there. they are looking at this person
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being somewhat familiar with that area to dump her there. but it was done for exspeed yens. it was wroe remote enough, but hey i'm in a hurry, got to go. >> thank you both for joining us. we do think it's important. if anybody is seeing those images that image of that little girl thinks they may recognize any element of it -- don't have to be recognizing her face completely or perhaps just her eyes or something she was wearing, authorities want to hear from you, they are eager to have information. coming up tonight, an amazing young man who describes the moment a shark bit off his arm. every person's nightmare swimming in the ocean, a shark jumped out of the water, took off his arm, the arm he usually uses and it nearly killed him.
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we're about to find out what it's like to be attacked by a shark and survive. 16-year-old hunter treschl is lucky to be alive tonight. just four weeks ago he was attacked by a shark off north carolina's coast where he was vacationing. you may have seen the coverage. quick thinking bystanders kept hunter from bleeding to death until emts could reach him.
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he survived but lost his left hand below the shoulder. worst of all he was left handed so that makes the recovery more difficult. hunter is a fighter and an optimist. i visit mim in colorado a few days ago. he was an amazing young man. he shared the details of the attack and maw close he came to dieing. >> my cousin grandma and i had been on the beach and were playing in the sand. i went in to wash off the sand and get ready to go home. >> how deep were you? >> waist deep two or three feet. >> you weren't swimming basically waded into the water? >> i weight waded into the water, up to here crouched down getting the sounds off. >> when is the first time you realized something was near you or going on? >> right, i took one more step forward and then i felt something big move against my ankles and the calves and i was like i'm getting out of here. >> you actually felt it under water. >> yeah i was like i'm out, and
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i was backing off and it bit my arm. i think my hand was still in the water a little bit. it grabbed that and climbed its way up. >> it jumped out of the water to get you. >> it was out of the water when it was on my arm. >> you looked down and it was on your arm. >> that's all i remember seeing of the shark, the top of the head. >> how big was it. >> my cousin was close to me and said it looked like six, seven, eight feet. hefty. >> was it holding onto you. >> for a while. and then it slid off and took my arm with night was there pain? >> not at the time, no. like it felt cold. like there was pain but nothing like you would expect. >> hunter made it back onto the beach but he was losing massive amounts of blood. witnesses describe blood red waves washing ashore. >> he just got his arm bit off. >> are you with the person now? >> my husband is. he has it wrapds up in a towel as tight as he can.
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>> did you realize it had taken the arm? >> oh, yeah i realized. because people were freaking out and i'm lying on the beach and my arm is elevated like this. and it was like oh, it was bleeding a lot and there was bone sticking out. so yeah, i didn't really want to look at it. >> one man tied on a tourniquet before paramedics arrived. the heroics of strangers bought him some time but didn't completely stop the blood loss. >> there is a major artery in the arm that had been severed. >> were you worried at that point about losing so much blood that you could die. >> yes at that point i was. i pestered one of the emts about that for two and a half minutes. >> meaning aim going to day? >> she was like you are going to be fine. i was like man you are just trained to say that. >> he had no idea he was actually the second shark attack victim on that stretch of beach. 90 minutes earlier, 12-year-old
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krir ten yao was bitten in swallow waters two miles away. >> the left arm is completely missing and also a bite to the left leg, weak pulse. >> reporter: this chopper was sent in to air lift kiersten to the hospital. hunter saw it fly overhead 90 minutes before he was bitten and never thought it could be for a shark attack victim or that he would soon suffer the same fate. both lost an arm but both survived. good. >> i'm getting better. >> just a month after the attack hunter is fighting forlg his old life back. he will eventually get a prosthetic limb but has to wait until his wound is healed. the shark took his dominant arm so he has to learn to do everything over again. from his beloved frisbee to
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practicing for his driver's test. he can still play video games but now uses the foot pedal. hunter is determined not to let this shark attack slow him down. >> beforehand, i had dreams and aspirations of what i wanted to do with my life. there is no reason that should change after losing an arm really. so it's strange to think that people would forget everything they wanted to do beforehand and mope and let down. >> it would be understandable to mope. >> it would be but i've never been the type to get down about things. >> do you find your balance affected at all. >> a little bit but it's not as bad as you might think. >> never to get down about things including the animal that took his arm. does it change the way you think about sharks? >> not really. they are the top of the food chain in the ocean and humans are not used to being below anything on the food chain. it's just it is what it is. >> would you go swimming again in the ocean? >> yes.
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>> you would. >> yeah. i just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. >> because a lot of people would -- i don't know probably want to kill sharks or hate sharks or -- >> yeah yeah. i ber better chances of winning the lottery than being bitten by a shark. >> maybe you should play the lottery. >> i did a krach off when i got back. didn't win. unfortunately. >> a friend and a former teacher of hunter's set up a go fund me page. you can imagine the bills are piling up. if you want to help, go to go fund slash hunters recovery. we have a link to it on our show blog at "ac 360".com. that does it for us:
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the iran flush nuclear talks. and el chapo, mexican authorities need help capturing him. more severe weather is on the way in parts of the u.s. a massive welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. thank you so much for joining us. i'm zain asher. >> i'm max foster. this is