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international terminal. it will whisk passengers across the atlantic in 90 minutes. this ultrarapid vehicle would zoom through the skies at four times the sound of sound. that's it for now. i'm turning you over for brianna filling in for wolf blitzer in the situation room. happening now, breaking news, al qaeda threats, twin messages from the terror groups deadliest affiliate. a new video calls for more lone wolf attacks. captured, troops trained to fight isis are are captured and held by another terror group in syria. is the u.s. strategy falling apart? i'll ask tom cotton of the intelligence committee. center stage, donald trump will be out front of the first gop debate, seven candidates won't even make the cut. who's in, who's out, and why
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trump may need to change his phone number. wolf blitzer is off, i'm brianna keeler, you're in the situation room. we have breaking news, there are chilling new terror threats tonight as al qaeda's deadliest affiliate releasing a new video, hailing the gunman that killed five service members in tennessee and calling for more lone wolf attacks in the united states. the group's master bomb maker is breaking his silence, urging followers to attack america. we're learning more about a prison escapee who has surfaced as a new al qaeda leader. a brutal set back for the u.s. and syria, where only a few dozen american trained rebels have been deployed, five already captured by an al qaeda related group, was there mission doomed from the start? i'll be speaking with tom cotton from the intelligence and armed services committees, and our
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corresponde correspondents, analysts and guests are standing by with our top stories. we begin with the new al qaeda threats, calls for attacks in the united states, cnn's brian todd has been looking into that. >> two stunning new messages from al qaeda as it tries to reassert itself against isis. a chilling piece of literature linked on twitter apparently from the master bomb maker of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula a name many americans will know. a writer believed to be al asiri tells al qaeda affiliates, we urge you to strike america in its own home and beyond. cnn cannot independently verify the authenticity of this writing. >> al asiri almost never makes statements in public, he has up to a $5 million u.s. bounty on his head.
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ibrahim al asiri was behind the 2009 christmas day underwear bomb plot and behind the attempt to place bombs in printer cartridges in 2010. both attacks targeted the united states, both plots failed but they could have killed hundreds of people. al asiri placed a bomb inside the body of his own brother. that bomb killed his brother but it failed to kill the saudi minister. if this is really from al asiri, it's extraordinary because of the risk to his own security he would be taking. he has been targeted in u.s. drone strikes in yemen. they apparently have not gotten him yet. it's a sign he's still alive, and still very dangerous. >> this second message is also chilling. >> that's right. a man who emerged as a top leader praises the charlie hebdo
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attacks in frarns. and the attacks in chattanooga by mohammed abdulazeez. take a listen. >> translator: he penetrated the base, killing and injuring american marines. we ask ala to accept him and raise his status among martyrs. >> now in this video he calls for more loan wolf attacks. this official has become a top spokesman since his escape from a yemeni prison this spring. two dual messages from al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. they are al qaeda's most dangerous branch. >> i know you're still working this story, brian. we'll have more from you at 6:00 p.m. thank you. a disastrous defeat from american backed rebels in syria, the u.s. had hoped to muster
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thousands, a few dozen had been trained and deployed in the war zone, now five have already fallen into the hands of a brutal al qaeda group. barbara starr is tracking this story. >> these are the fighters that the u.s. had provided training and equipment for and had put back into the field to fight syria and isis just days ago, really disaster has struck, they came under attack late last week, we now know that since that attack in recent days, five of these u.s. backed rebels have been captured by an al qaeda affiliate. one of them was killed in that original attack. the big surprise to the pentagon is that al nusra was behind the attack, they thought they would only come under attack from isis, apparently this al qaeda affiliate had other ideas, 54 of the rebels to start they wanted
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5,000 in the field. one dead, five captured, an additional five other rebels who belong to an affiliated group also supported by the u.s. also captured by al nusra. a difficult situation for these fighters. and raising fundamental questions about the u.s. strategy to put them as the boots on the ground inside syria to fight isis. >> are there efforts underway to recover them? >> we don't know the answer to that question right now, what officials have been telling us is the pentagon is looking at options. what could they do, how could they potentially get them to safer ground. no indication the u.s. will put its own boots on the ground to make that happen. they are looking at, we are told options to see how they can keep this smaller group of people safe. brianna? >> barbara starr at the pentagon, thanks. a fierce battle being fought over the iran nuclear deal, the
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obama administration won tepid support from gulf arab allies, libya's leader is lobbying hard against the agreement, and worried lawmakers are being squeezed from two directions. elise lav it has the latest. elise? >> supporters and opponents of the deal are squaring off. they have deep pockets. and are sparing no effort to win public opinion and votes on capitol hill. >> prime minister benjamin netanyahu openly waging war against the iran nuclear deal. >> don't let the world's foremost terrorist regime get its hands on the world's most dangerous weapons, owe bows this bad deal. >> making a direct appeal to the american people and the u.s. congress. >> don't let them take your voice away at this critical moment in history. >> reporter: this as supporters and opponents of the deal face
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off. >> miltly sites. >> powerful proisrael groups like apec flooding congressional offices with e-mails and calls, and spending millions of dollars on polls and television ads, warning of the dangers of the deal. >> congress should regret reject the bad deal. >> j street countered with its own ad. >> the nuclear agreement with iran contains the toughest inspection program in history. >> president obama and vice president biden personally lobbying jewish leaders today. the key battleground undecided democrats chief among them chuck schumer. on tap to be the next senate minority leader, his support would be instrumental in swaying democrats on the fence. he hasn't committed. >> the white house is making every effort to answer my questions, so are the people oppo opposed. >> those opponents upset they don't have access to the deal where iran is to reveal its past bad actions. >> i don't know of a fool that
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would agree to an agreement they can't read. i have to see it, i have to handle it. >> prime minister benjamin netanyahu openly waging war against the iran nuclear deal. >> don't let the world's foremost terrorism regime get its hands on the world's most dangerous weapons. oppose this bad deal. >> making a direct appeal to the american people and the u.s. congress. >> don't let them take your voice away at this critical moment in history. >> this as supporters and opponents of the deal face off in an epic campaign style battle. >> nuclear facilities. >> military sites. >> powerful proisrael groups like apec flooding congressional offices with e-mails and calls and spending millions of dollars on polls and television ads, warning of the dangers of the deal. >> congress should reject the bad deal.
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>> j street in favor of the deal, countered with its own ad. >> the nuclear agreement with iran, contains the toughest inspection program in history. president obama -- >> and the white house picked up three key democratic endorsements, senators nelson, cain and barbara boxer, a senior member of the senate foreign relations committee, officials say they expect democrats to rally around the president, but they are not taking any chances, and they're going to be fighting for every vote before congress takes up the deal next month. >> elise labott, in new york, thank you. joining me no to talk more about this is a strong opponent of the iran deal. tom cotton of arkansas, he serves on the intelligence and rm aed services committees, he's a veteran of iraq and afghanistan. i want to ask you about the iran deal, but i first want to ask you about the breaking news we have.
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ibrahim al asiri is believed to be live and speaking out about this new message, what can you share with us about this. >> i can't share any classified information. but ibrahim al asiri is an incredibly dangerous man. he's made bombs, stuck it in his own brother, tried to put it in printer cartridges, he's purported to be responsible for the underwear bomber, these are the most sophisticated techniques that bombers have around the world. the fact that he's coming forward and putting out a statement goes to show how much of a threat al qaeda in the arabia peninsula remains to our citizens and why we have to stay on offense in on the war on terrori terrorism. >> it seems brazen that he's getting out there and making himself known. there's some risk there that he's taking, what do you read into this? should we worry more about an attack? >> well, we should always be worried about a man and an
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organization so dangerous. >> does it tell you anything specific? >> there could be competition between al qaeda on one hand for the title of the jihadist group. the only loser is going to be the united states and our citizens, the competition is going to be who can kill the most americans, that puts aside iran and its support for shiite terrorist groups that also have the blood of americans on their hands. >> do you see this as a jockeying between the groups? >> it's potential. there's not going to be a winner from the united states standpoint. >> your response to white house press secretary josh ernest saying your trip to austria was essentially a waste of time? >> well, the only thing mysterious is the content of these two sided agreements between the iaea and iran. they have two side agreements, we now know because the white house has acknowledged the existence of them, but not the content. this is not a procedural or
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administrative dispute. these go to the heart of the verification and inspection system in the deal. first the military base where it's believed iran tried to design nuclear devices and test detonators for them. second is iran's past weaponization work. if we don't have access to those documents, we don't know what iran has done in the past, and we can't judge if the iaea is going to have an adequate baseline to inspect iran's facilities. that's why it's so critical to this deal i can't p imagine a senator or congressman voting on these documents, not just up or down. >> without access -- >> this has been a central issue going back years. the iaea put out a report that raised 12 areas of concern in iran's past weaponization work. if we don't have answers to that. it's like starting a diet
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without knowing your starting weight. you don't know how far you've progressed or regressed. >> what's the alternative to a deal like this. if iran is pretty close to breaking out and having a nuclear weapon? >> the first alternative is not to give iran 50 to 120 million dollars that they can use to support more terrorism and allies around the world. longer term, and this is something you've heard from the joint chiefs of staff is that we would demand renegotiations, we would put in say no sunset at the end of the agreement, we would insist on more intrusive inspection regimes, the idea that there's no choice between this deal or war, i think is a false choice and more and more people are beginning to realize that. >> do you feel this stops iran from getting a nuclear weapon in the near team as we expect they bo be able to get it? >> no, i don't the deal is bad
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on many levels. we're going to give iran tens of billions of dollars for sanction relief. even if iran follows the deal to the letter, they're going to be a nuclear this remember hold state in 8 to 15 years, third, i hate to break the news -- >> what about versus months. >> i hate to break the news to your viewers, iran doesn't have a history of upholding its international obligations. the most likely result is that they will break their obligations and they will develop nuclear weapons far in advance of that, in addition to having a stronger military because of all the sanctions relief. and continuing to destabilize the region. >> it's a concern shared by many democrats as well as americans. >> this is not a democrat or republican issue. when the ayatollah goes to the street they don't chant death to anyone but americans.
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>> we'll be back in a molt about what the u.s. can do to perhaps help these u.s. backed syrian rebels captured by an al qaeda group. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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our breaking news. a new call for attacks in the united states, and we're back now with republican senator tom cotton of arkansas. he's a member of both the intelligence and the armed
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services committees. thanks for chatting with us again senator. there's a video out from aqap today. and this comes at a time where you have, it seems even obama administration officials split on the idea of who is a bigger threat. is it isis or is it al qaeda? >> what do you think? >> yes, they're both big threats. i would site michael morrell, the former deputy director of the cia. he's said that they're both the biggest threat. isis on the one hand is the biggest threat for the sheer volume of attacks, the inspiration they provide, the lone wolves, for instance. the constant level of threats. al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is probably the biggest threat being able to take down an airliner. in that way, they're the biggest threats we face, they may be in competition with each other right now, and the only people that are going to lose that competition are the united states, because our citizens are going to be killed. >> you don't see isis being capable in either the near term
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or the medium far term of carrying out a large attack? >> it's certainly possible and it's very concerning they're developing more and more capabilities because they now control territory almost the size of great britain. and we don't have a lot of great insight into what's happening here. there's no doubt that the aqap bomb maker we talked about earlier is one of the dangerous men on earth, and has a record of trying to conduct mass casualty effects. the islamic state wants to move in that direction, that's one reason why it's so dangerous we've let them metastasize across iraq and syria. >> one of the key things that the obama administration is doing when it am coulds to isis in iraq and syria, specifically syria has been training these u.s. backed rebels, there's not many of them, 60 of them now at this point and we understand that five of them in the scheme of things that's a big
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percentage captured by the al nusra front aligned with al qaeda. one rebel has been killed, you're down 6 out of 60. can you tell us more about this. >> the armed services committee had a hearing a few weeks ago, where ashe carter revealed we have 60 of these trained opposition forces which is scandalous. we projected we have hundreds or thousands of obviously $5 is not going to be able toen sad up, not just to the islamic state, but to the remnants of assad regime. to kurdish fighters in syria, syria is no longer -- that's because of the lack of u.s. leadership going back four or five years to the beginning of the civil war, you can see how it spun out of control, and it's starting to envelope our allies, neighbors like jordan and turkey, as well as completely destabilizing iraq. >> the u.s. providing air support to these rebels, do you support that? >> we should have done this long
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ago, not just robust air strikes, but against the assad regime years ago. they may be fighting each other, that doesn't mean that one of them is our ally and one of them is our enemy. as prime minister netanyahu said, the enemy of your enemy is your enemy. >> what do you do? and i wonder, we're seeing that in the case of the al nusra front which has captured these u.s. backed syrian rebels. what can the u.s. do, what should the u.s. do to protect these fighters who have been captured. >> this is an example of all roads going back to iran. one reason of the why the administration. >> in terms of the -- should the u.s.? >> we cannot train my person anywhere in the world, in any kind of fight, and send them into the fight without adequate protection, without adequate air cover. if we're not going to do that, we shouldn't send them. it's immoral and impractical. it's going to undermine our influence. >> you want u.s. troops to
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provide a rescue? >> well, we -- ien wot go that far, we do already have troops on the ground in iraq, i think it's important to remember that. >> and we've seen some operations in specific cases in syria. >> but if we're going to get serious about stopping the islamic state, we're going to have to listen to our commanders who tell us, we need more specialized skilled soldiers on the ground like joint air controllers who help multiply the impact of our air strikes or special operations forces on the ground. that's not the kind of war you saw in iraq ten years ago, when i was there, heavy mechanized troops, we already have soldiers there, keep them safe. it spins out of control like syria already has, we're probably going to have to have more. >> do you see the program in syria with these u.s. backed rebels. this should have been done a long time ago, it's too limited in scope, is it a failure or does it need to be expanded? >> it's a failure. >> is there any point in pursuing this? >> well --
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>> and expanding it. >> only if the president has a broader commitment to the region and to stabilizing iraq and syria, against adversaries like the islamic state and the islamic republic of iran. only then is it both moral and practical to try to train forces like this and send them into a fight, how can we as the united states train young men who say they want to fight and send them across the border -- often using chemical weapons we said we got rid of. only if there's a broader commitment to the entire region to stabilize it and protect our allies and defend our interests there should we be moving forward with something like this. >> senator tom cotton of arkansas, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. and next our terrorism experts will weigh-in on al qaeda's new calls for attacks on the u.s. homeland. are they a more imminent threat than isis? plus, experts gather for tests on the debris that washed up on a remote island off of africa, when will we know if this part
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of the plane, that flapper on there is part of the wing of the missing malaysian airliner.
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our breaking news, al qaeda's most dangerous branch issues a slick new video, it praises the chattanooga gunman who killed five service members and calls for lone wolf style attacks in the u.s. the groups are adding his voice to the chilling threats. joining me now to talk more about this, cnn terrorism analyst, cnn security analyst bob baer, and cnn national security analyst fran towsend,
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she was homeland security adviser to george w. bush. put this into context for us. we see that ibrahim al asiri has put this message out there. how dangerous is this guy? >> well, he's without question the most dangerous terrorist -- he's a bomb maker, a genius at making explosive devices which are difficult for airport scanners to detect. he's three times plotted to bring down u.s. planes, intelligence suggests that he's developing new generation of explosive devices including a new generation of underwear and shoe bomb devices. he's part of a group which is growing in strength in yemen, he has more resources perhaps than ever before, and now he's saying his number one priority is to attack the united states. >> this bomb is a guy who as we just heard paul say, he's on the
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cutting edge of terrorist technology, so it's pretty brazen that he's putting himself out there, in a way, that he could be traced back to. there's some risk in that, do you see this as a signal that there could be an attack in the works or do you see this instead as what senator tom cotton of the senate intel committee said, this is aqap competing with isis? >> i agree with tom cotton, it's competition, i think it's a bit strange he's calling for lone wolf attacks, that's normally the aislamic state. he's good at making bombs, he can form it into anything, make it look like common household items which you can get on airplanes, he's been at this for years, is he a step ahead of tsa? i don't know, that's what scares tsa, he's so good, he has that technology. the fact that he's calling for attacks on the united states should be alarming.
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let's see if anybody answers that call. >> and this message is fascinating, because it reveals to us al asiri is alive, there had been questions over the years whether he had had been killed, evaded. >> it's interesting, the thing that -- you're looking for clues, whether it signals intelligence or human intelligence, sources inside the organization, we know that we've been able to -- u.s. intelligence authorities have been able to stop al asiri from being successful, because of their relationship with our partners, our intelligence partners in the gulf, especially the saudis who have wonderful sources in the arabian peninsula, and have been able to target these events and prevent them from happening, you know, it's interesting he's issued this call for lone wolf type attacks, and that they're focusing on that, i do think this is competition. they've seen the charlie hebdo attack, and they really want to have -- be able to compete with them for operatives, who can
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make successful attacks against the united states. >> aqap also out with a video today, it urges more of these charlie hebdo style attacks the shootings in chattanooga. you see aqap because of that, competing with possible recruits. we heard bob say it was strange to hear that. >> they're absolutely competing with isis. they're trying to inspire attacks as well, in the chattanooga shooting, he was somebody who was watching aqap terrorists. they're trying to claim responsibility. they're not saying they're directly responsible. they're very relevant still, and all this, of course, when they're competing with isis worldwide. >> fascinating report, fran, in the new york times today, it talks about this division that you're seeing in the obama administration over whether it's
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isis or whether it's al qaeda, that is hey worse enemy for the u.s. at this point. it seems like the white house, the fbi, they're gearing in on isis, and the pentagon is gearing in on al qaeda. who do you think is the bigger threat. >> it depends on where you're talking about, and the type of attacks. first, let's be clear, john carlin, the assistant attorney general for the national security division at the justice department said 50 isis related arrests over the last 18 months, that ought to be concerning. so for the small lone wolf type attacks, they are the most immediate threat here in the united states. as paul said, though, when you're thinking about a major attack, a mass casualty against a plane, we worry about al qaeda. >> what do you think? who's the more dangerous enemy here? >> i think the islamic state is, at the end of the day, it does have territory, it has a lot of adherence, the charlie hebdo
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attack. all you need to do is buy an automatic weapon, go into a crowded weapon and start pulling the trigger, it's that easy, and there's nothing the fbi can do to stop it, theyen cat get in these people's heads. they recruit themselves and they listen to this call, the capital of the islamic state. we're going to have this threat hanging over our heads for a long time. >> bob baer, fran towson, thank you so much to all of you for joiningous panel today. investigators are getting ready to examine that wing flap that washed ashore on a remote island off of africa. is it part of the missing malaysian airliner. later the suspense grows as the republican presidential candidates wait for word on who gets to share the debate stage with donald trump. you totalled your brand new car.
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developing now experts from around the world are gathering in france to examine what many suspect is part of the missing malaysian airliner, it's a piece of a boeing 777 wing that washed up last week on a remote eye land off of africa, it may be the first physical clue what happened after the malaysian jet disappeared almost a year and a half ago. our correspondent is near the laboratory where the examination will take place. tell us what's happening on the ground there? >> well, brianna, those groups were flown in from around the world. they've been meeting the last few days to swap information about the investigation so far, and to decide exactly what they
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want to do when this lab opens tomorrow morning, that's wednesday here in france. and the kind of examination they want to run, they'll be swapping information and deciding what they want to do. it's an incredibly sensitive and cat information as you can imagine. not least because of the families involved. the 239 passengers on board, their loved ones and families are hanging on to every word and every piece of news that comes out. they are approaching this with caution, they're not releasing too much information. they have told us that they have agreed to go forward under an international aviation investigation. but also a judicial investigation. and that is because this is also a manslaughter case here in san francisco. there were four french nationals on board, and they are deciding whether hijacking or terrorism was involved. there will be someone inside the
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lab come wednesday. standard operating procedure is for that sealed takener, remember that was delivered, the flapper we know to be from a 777. it will be delivered by police escort, when they first open it, they will all be filmed they will all have to be present and they'll start to run the tests that they've all agreed to, likely to be things like sonograms, x-rays and then they'll take that piece apart to try to match it with mh-370. brianna? >> take us about the search, saima. is there any expectation new items will be sent to france soon? >> yeah, it kind of felt like as soon as that flapper turned up last thursday, there would be more debris potentially coming up on reunion eye land or lands nearby, brianna, so far, there hasn't been anything else that can be sol idly attached to or identified with an aircraft, let alone mh-370, there are a lot of
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people, local people gathering together on reunion island, and search teams going out to sea, trying to see if they can help and find anything so far, i must stress nothing else has been found. there's one police believed to be part of a suitcase, that's being tested in another laboratory, the criminal research institute just outside paris. brianna? >> saima hohsin in france, thank you so much. donald trump gets a taste of his own medicine. what happens with his newly leaked phone number. joe biden jokes about his plans for 2016. does it mean he's getting serious? and so many other discounts that people think i'm a big deal. and boy, are they right. ladies, i can share hundreds in savings with all of you! just visit today. but right now, it's choosing time. ooh! we have a winner. all: what? [chuckles] he's supposed to pick one of us.
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we might stay polls are now closed. at the top of the hour, that was the cutoff for polls to determine which presidential candidates will share the debate stage with donald trump thursday night. nine will make the cut. seven will not. and cnn chief correspondent dana bash keeping track of all the pre debate commotion. >> when you consider this is biggest presidential field in modern history. there is no way for the parties or the networks to navigate a crowd debate stage, never mine the candidates who to have face a front-runner. >> the sneak preview of sorts of what the crowd debate stage will
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look like with one glaring exception. donald trump who is now leading the gop presidential pack by double digits. >> i've had great success. and people see that. and i would put all of that energy and whatever that brain power is, whatever that type of -- into making our country -- >> so tonight the key question ahead of the first presidential debate thursday is how every one else will navigate trump dynamic. scott walker says he plans to pivot as much as possible to his own record. >> i think in the end what will make the difference, people realize, they don't just want a fighter. they want someone who can fight and win. >> then there is john kasich's unorthodox approach. >> maybe i'll give him a hug. >> he may have gotten into the race two weeks ago but tonight it looks like he will edge out
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the candidate who has been itching to go head to head with trump. >> as he krangs on conservatism. though there are 17 gop candidates, debate rules say only the ten with the highest national poll numbers will be on the stage together, putting trump at the main event with former governor jeb bush, governor scott walker and neuro surgeon ben carson along with huckabee, rand paul and marco rubio and governors kasich. lindsey graham who helped prosecute bill clinton during his impeachment trial. something graham suggested monday makes hill qualified to run against hillary clinton. >> i'm fluent in clinton speak. when bill says i didn't have sex with that woman, he did. when she says, i'll tell you
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about bill. >> meanwhile, trump who famously gave out his cell phone number. >> let's try it. >> he spent the day getting a taste his own medicine. the website gawker published one of the billionaire's number and trump quickly changed the voicemail. >> this is donald trump. i'm running for the presidency of the united states of america. >> now a top aide to one of the ten candidates who will be on the main debate stage. something very interesting to me. it was actually pretty wise. historically, you don't win a debate like this with all the people oriole but you can certainly lose. that's the driving force behind a lot of these. do no harm. >> do no harm. fascinating. how is donald trump preparing for all of this? >> if you believe what he says, he is very much downplaying it. really kind of counter to what he always says which is i'm not a regular politician. that's the classic expectations game. no, i'm be preparing.
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but in this case, i actually believe him. he does talk about how comfortable he is in front of the camera. so it's not so much a performance thing. what i asked him about was, what about the issues? what about the policy? depending on how much in the nitty gritty the questioners get, there are policy questions. i tried to ask him some. he didn't have specific answers. he said he's getting policy briefings from watching tv. we'll see how that goes. >> can we expect specifics? or is this completely to be determined? >> i think it will be hard for him to get through a debate for two hours on a debate stage with a lot of people who have a lot of policy experience, without being able to dive into the specifics. >> all right. we'll see if that happens. all right. thanks. so. coming up, more than 13,000 people ordered to flee their homes as a massive wildfire is raging out of control. and the former ferguson police
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officer who fatally shot michael brown. he is speaking out and he is raising new controversy.
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happening now. breaking news. calls for terror. a top al qaeda leader and a
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notorious bomb maker urged followers, praising the gunmen. will jihadis in the u.s. heed their call? california inferno. almost two dozen fires are ravaging the state. one of them charring 20 square miles in five hours. thousands of people have evacuated as flames close in on their homes. will they have anything to return to? lineup revealed. we're about to learn who will be joining donald trump in the first republican presidential debate two days from now. any of his rivals steal the spotlight from the undisputed gop front runner? and darren wilson gives a revealing interview. he talks candidly about death threats. his struck to find a new job and the encount per changed his life forever. how is michael brown's family reacting to his controversial remarks? we want to welcome our viewers
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in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is off. i'm brianna keeler. you're in "the situation room." >> we're following breaking news. al qaeda's most dangerous affiliate calling on followers and would be jihadis to launch new strikes inside the u.s. a top terror leader offering praise for the lone gunman who killed in tennessee. and even more disturbing, what appears to be a rare message from the group's notorious bomb making wizard. his sudden surfacing for sympathizers in the u.s. to unleash terror rampages. we're covering this breaking news and more this hour with our correspondents, our expert analysts and our guests. we want to begin with the chilling new messages from al qaeda. brian todd working this story for us. what are you finding out?
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>> al qaeda is reasserting itself in two messages from its dangerous affiliate in yemen. the terror group tries on extend past isis's reach. one message is from a notorious bomb maker whose target is america. the other from a seasoned millitant who not long ago broke out of a prison in yemen. the new messages are stunning and stark. al qaeda's dangerous wing in yemen, aqap. in this video released online today, he has emerged as the top leader in al qaeda, praises the charlie hebdo attacks in paris ask the shooting at two military officers in chattanooga, tennessee. >> he penetrated the base killing and injuring in a blessed jihadi operation. we ask the law to accept him and raise his status. >> batarfi call for more lone
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wolf attacks. he has become a top spokesman for the terror group since his escape this spring. what may be more concerning to u.s. intelligence what appears to be a second even more chilling new message from aqap's master bomb maker. ibrahim al asiri. a writer says we urge you to strike america in its own home and beyond. cnn cannot independently verify authenticity of the writing but analysts say it has the hallmarks. if real it would be a striking develop many because al asiri almost never makes public statements. with up to a 5 million u.s. bounty on his head, there must be a reason he would take an enormous risk. >> the concern would be that somehow it would be traceable back to him. whether by courier or some digital stamp inside the message. >> intelligence officials say he was behind the 2009 christmas
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day underwear bomb plot and the attempt to place bombs in printer cartridges. both targeted the use. both plots failed. an attempt to kill the saudi arabia counter terrorism chief. the bomb killed his brother but the minister survived. >> he is able to take family members and use them as bombs. that's something we would never conceive of here. that is something, he could imagine outside of the western mind. >> so why would he emerge from the shadows now? tonight that could be of real concern to u.s. intelligence, especially when compared with this new al qaeda video. if there are others who have learned his craft and remain anonymous, perhaps now they realize his greatest value isn't remaining clandestine but becoming a public figure who can rally troops. >> analysts say if this message israel from al asiri, it is
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likely an attempt to steal his thunder to recruit star power. they say western official will be pouring over this apparent message for clues to his whereabouts and that it may bring criticism for the risk it poses to his operational security. the jihadists in aqap do not want this man to leave their ranks. >> and they're actually, brian, under threat inside yemen. this plays into their calculations. >> that's right. aqap is inside yeppen. isis has established a strong foot hold and is competing for recruits. also the houthis have been challenged aqap. one result of this competition has been more lethal attacks as isis and aqap try to outdo each other. >> we're also following a huge complication in the pentagon's plan for fighting isis in syria. rebel forces trained by the u.s. to take on the terrorists have now been captured by al qaeda.
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pentagon correspondent barbara starr has more on this. what can you tell us? >> good evening. the pentagon had wanted to train up to 5,000 so-called moderate syrian rebels. so far they've managed to train 54 of them. that group already under attack. some of them already captured and crucial reports about whether this can and will work. in northern syria, at least five of the initial 54 u.s. trained syrian rebels now captured by the al qaeda affiliate known as al nusra. it is near disaster for the u.s. plan to train a rebel force that is supposed to be the boots on the ground in the fight against isis. >> that's the main focus of our efforts. we want to protect them from other possible attacks. >> the rebels captured after fleeing their compound in the wake of being attacked by al nusra. the pentagon now scrambling to
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figure out what to do next. >> there is no military logic for putting that small a force in the field. one, they're incredibly vulnerable. and two, they are certainly not going to attack anybody with 40 or 50 people out there. >> senior pentagon officials privately admit the decision to put the small group of rebels into this area of northern syria was a major intelligence failure. the u.s. did not think al qaeda would attack. they only thought isis would. just a few weeks ago, defense secretary ash carter did not seem to think this could happen. >> my presumption is we would assist them from defending. they from attack. >> i think we have an obligation to do so. you're right. i don't expect that occasion to arise any time soon. >> in iraq, slow going. more iraqi troops undergoing training but little sign they are ready to begin the all important battle to retake ramadi from isis. it is a must-win.
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>> if we don't have an iraqi success in the next couple months, then we are going to have to start questioning the strategy. >> and five additional moderate syrian rebels affiliated with the u.s. also captured by al nusra tonight. the pentagon at what options. what obligations it may have to try and help move some of the remaining rebels to safety inside syria. >> at the pentagon, thank you, barbara starr. we want to talk about all of these developments with mike rogers, chairman of the house committee. we have cnn terrorism analyst paul crook shank and security analyst, bob bair. first to you. you're very familiar with al asiri. ibrahim al asiri. he is basically a bomb making master mind. the fact that he is alive is a
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huge development. tell us more aboutiment him. >> this is not the first time he has resurfaced as someone who we thought met his demise. there was no proof. it was lots of dna testing but it was inconclusive. so this tell that you they have some serious change of strategy going on in aqap. the saudis are putting pressure there. you have isis now setting up recruiting camp there, the houthis are there. they're under duress. he is absolutely obsessed with developing a bomb, either body cavity bomb or underwear bomb which he has done, or a package bomb or ink cartridge bomb. he's done all of those things, designed specifically to get on aircraft. >> undetectible explosives. and he is on the cutting edge of that. if it seem like at times there's
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intel that he may be gone, that he's been wounded, perhaps even killed. how is he able to evade that. >> well, they take, in some cases, a strike where there were 65 individuals all believed to be al qaeda associates, meeting up for a meeting. and that site was struck. they had intelligence information after the fact that he was in that group. and so it is pretty hard to determine it. any air strikes would take sometimes days, weeks or months and it would be, you would have to go through the process of vetting that information to decide if in fact who had been killed and if he was one of the killed. they did have some daniels evidence. i remember that part as chairman. it was inconclusive at the time which tells you they weren't quite sure. they had chatter, intelligence chatter from people who did survive saying no, no, we think he was there. he was in hiding. he was doing all the things he is supposed to do to avoid detection.
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of course the intelligence community was trying to find out if he was alive. he is a serious target because of his bomb making. >> as he serious target because he is a mastermine when it comes to trying to figure out ways to use petn for undetectible bombs. so by him coming out in this video, he is really putting himself at risk. >> i think it is a rather big surprise that he's come out with this written statement in the past few days. he's taken a very big risk in doing this. because presumably, he would need some kind of courier to transport this message. and of course, the cia got bin laden by tracking couriers. and he admits it in the statement that he'll be criticized by some jihadis, breaking this operational security. and the cia and other western intelligence agencies will be pouring over this statement. it is several pages long for
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clues about his whereabouts. it suggests that he is in a rural area rather than a city. >> you have this message, bob, from a syria. you have aqap releasing this video. do you see this as aqap competing with isis? we've heard that from, for instance, tom cotton. >> i agree totally. this is competition. the islamic state has got territory, has got a country, it is surviving. but right now, yemen is broken up into pieces and syria has essentially its own country. there is no central government there. so he is planting the flag. one way is to go public as the islamic state did. another way to plan it is to actually succeed in hitting an american target. whether it is an airplane or getting a lone wolf attacker to strike in this country. yes. it is competition. >> so you don't, and i wonder if
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you see any perhaps, if you see there competition, does this work into the u.s.' favor or not? >> well, we're a ways so far behind in the middle east. you have yemen. there is nothing to be done. the intelligence on the ground is nonexist tent. syria and these other people and aqap have learned to beat droenls and the sbemintercepts. they're very good. we are not winning in the middle east, against these crazies. the question is can they hit the united states? now is not the time to go into panic mode. these guys have not established in this country. it is always the lone wolf which we can't account for. >> there is a report in the new york times. we see the obama administration officials are split over who is more dangerous to the u.s.? isis or aqap or al qaeda?
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what do you think? >> well, two different strategies by two different groups. remember, they have the same goals and desires and political ames and they were at one time the same group. the isis threat is real here and i think you hear from fbi agents that they're worried about it because we know we had so many open cases by the fbi in every major field office in america for isis sympathizers. that is always a risk. that home grown radicalization nudged on by isis to do a very low technical type attack in the united states. you've seen the level of arrests. on the other hand, al qaeda loves these sophisticated events, blowing up an airplane. that's what you worry about. if they are in competition, i believe they are, which is why he is so public. he is the last mystery figure in aqap that can be shown to have beaten the west. that tells you that they're serious about performing another sophisticated attack. two different things.
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you cannot say one is more than the other. it is two different style and two different techniques. >> both dangerous in different ways. thank you so much. just ahead, the fire emergency unfolding over hundreds of square miles in california of we'll go live to the biggest and most destructive blaze that is burning as we speak. and the undisputed front-runner. on brings a new lo. a chance to try something different. this summer, challenge your preconceptions and experience a cadillac for yourself. ♪ the 2015 cadillac srx. lease this from around $339 per month, or purchase with 0% apr financing.
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breaking news in the situation room. the final lineup for the first presidential debate being revealed this hour. the first face-off will feature tonight top polling candidates while a separate debate will be health for the second tier white house hopefuls. dana bash and our other political experts are here poring over the list. dana bash is sitting next to jeff, our senior washington correspondent and ron, one of our political contributors. you've got it in your hand. tell us about it. >> number one is the front-runner. we've been talking about, donald trump. next, jeb bush, the former
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governor of florida. scott walker, the sitting governor of wisconsin. mike huckabee, former governor of arkansas. new to politics, ben carson, a neuro surgeon. ted cruz, senator from texas. marco rubio, senator from florida, rand paul from kentucky, and two sitting governors, chris christie of new jersey and john kasich from ohio. and it is that tenth slot that is kind of the upset if you will. because rick perry, the former governor of texas, the longest serving governor in texas history, was very much hoping to be on this debate stage for a whole host of reasons but most recently because he was the guy most adamant and most vocal about taking on donald trump as a cancer on conservatism. he is not going to be on the stage with him now. >> any surprises? >> rick perry is the biggest surprise. as up, the longest serving in texas. rick santorum also ran for president in 2012, was the last
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man standing to mitt romney. lindsey graham has been around forever. just too many people running. this is how it is. >> i wonderful say surprises given as jeff said, the candidates like perry and santorum have been trouble tryinging notice and support. significant that it goes more to the centrist wing of the party. christie and kasich are candidates who will likely taken candidates away from bush than trump, walker, huckabee, that side of the party. >> could this be the beginning of the end for huckabee? or because he is not competing with trump, have a chance to shine? >> i think he could have a chance to shine. i think it is not the end for perr
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perr perr perry. debates are not his strong suit. i think that 5:00 debate offers a lot, kind of a clutter-free environment to put forward your message? & that could be good. it is far, far too early in august to say who the final 10 will be. >> and remember, the people in the kids table, if you will, these are like serious people. most of whom have outstanding resumes. in any other year it would be ridiculous for lindsey graham not to be there are or the sitting senator from louisiana and you go down the list. >> and the only woman. >> and an indian american. >> try to think about what this will mean in the long run. despite the enormous activity, one of the highest levels we've seen. there's pen very few.
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you have this level of intensity. i think we are beyond where the votersful are i think there's still a lot of room much later when the weather is colder for opinions to change and many of the things happening are not setting concrete to the idea that rick perry or rick santorum should say i'm done. >> maybe not. so donald trump says not going to punch. i'm only going on counter punch. i know there are so many advisers who are saying, look, guys, don't get in it with him. but i struggle to believe there won't be some kind of moment. what do you think? >> i think that's what we always look for. if it is scripted or unscripted. they will all be coming with humor. i think we'll see it to the extent they can pull it off. but beyond trump, i think jeb bush will be standing right next to him. he may get more of the sort of jabs as well. we've already heard scott walker say we need a fresh face.
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i think we'll hear more things like that. i think donald trump is the person i'm watching for. does he come as board room donald trump? i think he might. >> the last thing you and i talked about for most of these candidates is do no harm. i believe it was the first debate of the last psych people tim paw lenty thought would be, it was the beginning of the end. and he dropped out like the next day after cnn's debate. it was primarily because he didn't take it to the candidate who he was talking about from the stump to his face. if the moderators sort of set this up as, okay, jeb bush, let's hear what you have to say about donald trump. if he doesn't do it -- >> it is a moment to be seized. i want to ask you about jeb bush. he is taking some heat over a comment he made about women's health? >> he is taking some heat. the clinton campaign for a comment he made this afternoon at an evangelical forum. he was talking about the planned
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parenthood debate is such a big issue in this primary and it sounded a bit like a dismissive comment about the funneling for women's health programs so she herself tweeted it was an outrageous comment. the context was should money to go planned parenthood or to other agencies that provide reproductive services but not abortion services. so he is taking some controversy from her. in the republican primary, let's it is a fine thing for him to say. >> he keeps doing this. remember, he was talking about part time workers. he mental to be talking about part time work here's want more hours and he was talking about americans should be working longer hours. hillary clinton jumped all over him. >> last on the ballot in what? 2002? >> he is rusty. >> not only is it very difficult to begin. with it has gotten immeasurably more difficult. i think for jeb bush, that is
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one reason why this debate is important. despite trump's surge in the polls, i think most the professionals still think jeb bush is a front-runner. he needs assure professionals he can handle it at this level. >> i watched jeb bush yesterday. he seemed really nervous. he seemed to kind of stumble through some of his answers. what does he need to do on thursday? >> be comfortable. what? let jeb be jeb. is he the guy that told me on the streets of estone i can't this past summer that he is an introvert? well, if you're an introvert, standing next to the biggest extrovert who has ever run for office on the planet, you know, it might be difficult. and i think that's what you saw in that forum last night. >> it is time to come out of
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your shell, jeb bush, might be the message from last night. what are you hoping to see? >> i think the big question is trump. the conundrum of donald trump. what has worked the deepen his attachment to the disaffected republican electorate, about whether he is plausible as a nominee. let alone a president. the question is does he double down on this very aggressive and in politics language or does he try to become someone who more people can imagine as the party nominee? >> what are you looking for? >> for scott walker it is a pretty high bar as well. we don't know how he will perform on a national stage. so i think he has a bit of a burden as well. >> dana bash, ron, thank you. just ahead, the former police officer who shot and killed michael brown in
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darren wilson talks candidly about death threats he's received, his struggle to find a new job and more. i want to talk about this with cnn anchor don lemon as well as federal prosecutor sonny hostin. and here with me in washington, former director tom fuentes. i know you've spoken with darren wilson and his now wife on a number of occasions as well. in addressing whether he had ever reflected on what kind of person michael brown was, whose death will be one year ago this sunday. wilson said, do i think about who he was as a person? not really. because it doesn't matter at this point. your reaction to that? >> it sounds harsh on paper. and it is a harsh comment. but -- and i'm not defending darren wilson here.
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but he goes on to say i met him for just a few minutes and he was trying to kill me. probably not the best thing to say considering the position that he's in and for the family. but oftentimes, when you read something in print, if you do a magazine article, it is hard to get a context of what it is and everything in one statement. i think a television interview would have been better. you could see his facial expressions. you could also get more in the interview. but in print it sounds really harsh. >> and sonny, wilson said as a police officer his job was not to serve as a psychologist. to delve into people's live long history and figure out why they're feeling a certain way in a certain moment. he is talking about just this idea of how at odds many in ferguson felt under, when it came to the police, when it came to historical references to
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police. but do you think that darren wilson really understands the controversy that he is still very much in the center of? >> i think he understands the controversy very well. and i think that his interview exemplifies all that's wrong with policing of african-american communities by those that have disdain and disrespect for those communities. not only does he say that he's not there to be a psychologist for the communities, he says other thing like, that young people use the legacy of racism as an excuse. he says wham to his great grandfather is not happening to him so he can't base his actions off what happened to him. he said he can't fix what happened in 30 months what happened 30 years ago -- 30 minutes ago rather. he is not going to delve into people's lifelong history. he has this clear disdain for the communities that he police
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asked the communities that he worked with and he was supposed to serve and protect. quite frankly, in reading the article, i thought to myself, my god. this is the problem with the state of policing in our country today. >> tom, you have the experience of being on the streets in law enforcement. what's your perspective? >> i was going to say, when i read, especially talking with the officer, i don't hear disdain. i hear someone that did community policing. he played basketball and tried to relate to the students. >> what? >> when he was in jennings before that department was dissolved. as far as his comments about brown. brown attacked him twice. the fact that he has death threats now, witnesses who the fbi later found that begged the fbi to keep their name secret said, we saw the entire incident. brown did attack wilson while he was sitting in the police car, brown did turn around and attack him a second time when he was
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finally fatally shot. and we would rather our names not become public because we fear that something will happen to us. so he's not out of line in being fearful for his life when witnesses are fearful for their lives if they tell the truth that contradicted the witnesses that first came out that were lying. >> i have to come. i'm not quite sure which article tom fuentes read. what darren wilson does say about his time in 2009 and the jennings police department which was shuddered amid a lot of allegations. he said he describes feeling intimidated, unprepared. he said he had never been in an area where there was that much poverty. in my reading he definitely describes this us versus them mentality in the jennings police department. >> he also asks his field training officer, i want to learn.
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i want to be able to relate to the community here. i want to talk to these kids. this isn't somebody that fwhenlt there -- >> he talks about his time in ferguson and he said the same exact thing. that he's not there to be a psychologist. he's not there to understand the people that he's policing. >> if you're going to -- >> let's call it what it is. >> but if there is any credit to be given here, at least you can credit him for being honest about what he experienced, even if you think it is racist or not. however you form your opinion. you should at least give him credit for being honest about what he saw. >> i don't think i need to give him almost. >> one can learn -- >> he gets no credit. >> please let me finish. now one can learn, or you and everybody else can learn what it is like to be an officer there and if there is indeed disconnect as he is saying, as you are rightfully saying. there is a disconnect there. and that's a problem again with sometime with print. you can take certain quotes and
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then people come to, they decide whatever they want it to mean. that's why i think this article was a bad idea for him. if he wanted to come off as human and i think that's what this was about, he should have done it in another venue and another form so could you get some context and some nuance. when you see that, he looks flippant. yes, he probably doesn't understand what it is like to be in certain communities. is there some racism there? maybe so. is it overt? i'm not so sure it is overt. >> the justice department found that there were significant -- >> with the department. >> it is very clear during his interview which is several pages long, over several days, that he was being trans parent. and in that transparency, it is clear that he had disdain and disrespect for the very people in the community he was supposed to serve. >> you're arguing something i'm
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not arguing. yes, there was racism found. i'm not going to argue with that and it is true. but he has always been exonerated twice. so he was found to have done nothing wrong in that situation. whether he is racist or not, that is a whole other thing. for darren wilson to say, i don't really know how to feel about mike brown. in the moment, he tried on kill me. that's what the evidence shows so far for him. unless something else comes out. that's what it shows. that was his interaction with mike brown. he probably could have said it nicely and taken the family into consideration. he could have taken into consideration that somebody died. for now, that's what evidence the sadly shows. >> the people -- >> michael brown committed three violence acts in the span of ten minutes. the first one in the grocery store where he shoved that clerk that was about half his size. then two separate attacks on officer wilson. that's three violent acts in ten minutes.
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>> we are talking about, in my view, darren wilson's perspective as a former police officer in the ferguson police department. and in his, in that interview, his perspective i think is emblematic of the issues that we are seeing across our country. law enforcement officers do not understand the communities that they are supposed to be policing. they do not understand or have empathy, sympathy, they have disdain for those, if they are supposed to serve and sxrekt this article is a clear, clear example of everything that is wrong. >> you say -- >> you say there is disdain. he did seek out the help of this officer mccarthy who was very close to the community in jennings. a nearby community where wilson served before going to ferguson. he sought him out and said he was time relate to everyone.
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and you have mccarthy saying he was probably the best officer i ever trained. his willingness to learn. he said wilson said i don't know what i'm doing. this is a culture shock. would you help me? you obviously have that connection and i'm waiting. you may be white but they respect you. why do they respect you and not me? that they could walk the beat together. he said wilson was more comfortable on the streets after they did this. you know, in all of our conversations over the last several months, isn't this the aim of what police departments should be doing? >> you just. what i was trying to say there. you just said what i'm trying to say there. >> that certainly the aim. we want our police officers not to have this us and them mentality. we want our police officers to understand the communities in which they police. while exofficer wilson does say all of those things, he want to understand the community. he also says that he didn't
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understand the community. he says that he felt intimidated and unprepared. that he isn't interested in fixing the community. it is very clear in my view that while he may have tried, he certainly didn't succeed. >> and you give him no credit for trying pex stayed in the community and he worked hard to relate. >> i am so sorry. i'm going to have to cut you off as you agree to disagree. sonny, don, tom. next, this is what we'll talk about. thousands of people fleeing a vast wildfire. no student's ever been the king of the campus on day one. but you're armed with a roomy new jansport backpack, a powerful new dell 2-in-1 laptop, and durable new stellar notebooks, so you're walking the halls with varsity level swagger. that's what we call that new gear feeling. you left this on the bus...
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we're following the breaking news. the announcement of the final lineup for the debate this thursday. donald trump will be in the spotlight as he surges in the polls. let's bring in tom foreman. what's the latest with trump tom? >> that's what everyone is asking. because the simple truth is when we roared into the republican race, many insiders thought he was a joke and now the joke is on them and the headlines topping the polls and now center stage in the first debate, it is trump, trump, trump. donald trump is dominating the race like no one else on the republican side. and he's doing it while violating almost every rule of politically correct campaigning. >> they are bringing drugs. they are bringing crime.
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they are rapist. >> he infuriated some, insulted some women. >> she wanted to breast pump in front of me. i thought it was terrible. >> he dismisses opponents' plans as all talk. >> i don't talk about it, i get it done. >> and goes directly after anyone that opposes him attacking the media. >> 202. >> giving out lindsey graham's phone number, mocking war hero john mccain. >> i like people that weren't captured, okay. >> that was beyond the pail that hillary clinton came to the defense. >> it's shameful. >> but look at the results. in may polls had trump at 3%. by june he was in the teens, july saw him still rising, and now he has a whopping 23% in cnn's latest poll of polls leaving all the other gop contenders in the dust trying to explain what is happening in their own parathe ty. >> i think this is a temporary
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loss of san titsanity. >> you can do well for a month in this race, if you have personality. >> more than a dozen gop candidates participate in a forum in new hampshire talking about issues, professional and private. >> my dad is probably the most perfect man alive. >> and almost every article covering the event began by asking where is trump? >> it didn't even matter that they knew he wasn't going to participate. that became the headline and that really is the come nation of this decision. there are many people that said all along that he would fail to this point, that he would fail miserably in a general election but he's been able to spin everything into gold to the point that when gawker published his phone number, he turned around and put an election message on it so anybody that called would get him saying hey,
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i'm donald trump vote for me. he turned this town on its head and he will get the reward of that by standing in the middle of the discussion when the first debate comes up. >> sure has. tom forman, thank you. let's turn to a special report airing tonight. it's been five years since 33 chile minors were trapped under ground. rosa flores is looking back. >> reporter: rescuers take several hours to pull up the bit. >> the hammer came out with a cross painted in red. and i said to one of the people, it's painted. they say yes, that wasn't there. are you sure? yes, minister, i'm [ bleep ], that there wasn't anything. and then in the hammer, there
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was tyied plastic bag with a message inside. >> rosa flores joining us now. you heard new details about this rescue. tell us. >> you know, this is such an emotional story brianna and so these men allow us into their homes and they tell us about this amazing feat. surviving 69 days under ground, 17 of those days before the world even knew that they were alive, so they are down there, starving and they have mirky walter they are drinking and one day that happens, what you just saw when the world knows these men are alive and so the world is watching that these men are being rescued, one at a time and breanna for a moment in time, that rescue is actually on a replay. we reveal what happened during
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this special. >> wow, we will watch row rosa, thanks so much. it area tonight at 9:00 eastern. thanks for watching. i'm brianna keilar. erin burnet "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" tonight, breaking news announced just moments ago, the lineup for the first republican presidential debate. who is in, who is out and who will take on donald trump? plus, jeb bush falling behind trump in the polls getting hammered tonight for a whole new misstep. what's going on with his campaign? and a third greater handcuff behind his back after acting out in class. is there ever any justification for handcuffing an 8-year-old child? let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm kate


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