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many of us who knew him, he taught tenacity, curiosity, challenged those in power and us to always strive for excellence. jennings fought hard against the forces of entertainment that seek to undermine journalism. we miss you, peter, and the world misses you more than ever. don't miss my interviews with carly fiorina and john kasich on "state of the union" sunday at 9:00 a.m. and noon. that's it. i'm turning you over to one wolf blitzer, in "the situation room." \s happening now, fallout after a furious debate, donald trump pushes back against charges that he demeans wisdom accusing a female moderator of targeting him. he will talk tonight in a flu interviews. mass attack, u.s. intelligence worries that isis will go to inspiring long wolfes, to carrying out mass killings a. it competes with another terrorist group. a top democrat shrugs off
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the president's hard sell and comes on the against the nuclear agreement with iran. are there enough defectors to defeat the deal? and un-winding the clock. the north korean regime turns back the hands of time, creating its own time zone, even as it sounds a new alarm about war. wolf blitzer is off. i'm brianna keilar, you're in "the situation room." we are following alarming new developments in the war on terror, including new concerned one the u.s. intelligence community about whether isis is trying to build up its capability to carry out large-scale mass attacks. we have a new report, and its potentially deadly impact on the u.s. homeland. keeping the country safe is one of the few things that all 17 republican candidates agreed on in their first debate. today their differences are front and center, especially
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when it comes to donald trump versus everyone else's in the race, and even some people who aren't. trump talks with cnn tonight, and a prominent member of the senate foreign relations committee, democrat ben cardin is among the analysts we have standing by. we have all of the day's major stories. i want to begin with all the fallout from the republican debate and how it's already changing the dynamic of the 2016 presidential race. cnn's senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny has the story. >> it was a debate unlike we have seen before watched by a report-setting 24 million people. inside the same arena where one of the contenders will accept the party's nomination next summer. it's becoming clear that donald trump isn't going anywhere. the rest of the republican field is trying to navigate around him. in any other republican presidential race, it would be a simple question. >> is there anyone on stage, and
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can i see hands? who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the republican party? and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person. mr. trump. >> threw out the old playbook, settle in and watch. >> the moment of truth has arrived. >> this is no ordinary campaign. 2k07b8d trump showed one thing at the gop debate -- he's here to stay. republicans, like it or not, must now decide how to deal with him, and his veiled threat to run as a third-party candidate. >> i cannot say, but i'm talking about a lot of leverage. >> leverage to trump sounded more like extortion to rand paul. he buys and sells politician of all stripes, so if he doesn't run as a republican, make he supports clinton or maybe he runs as an independent. >> he not only dominated the debade, but dominated the clock.
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ohio governor john kasich cheered on by a home state, took the gentle approach. >> he's hitting a nerve in this country. people are frustrated, they're fed up, they don't think the go. is working for them. for people who want to tune him out, they're making a mrs. take. >> jeb bush did not. >> his language is divisive. i want to win. i want one of these people here or the ones at 5:00 to be the next president of the united states. we're not going to win by doing what barack obama and hillary clinton do each and every day, dividing the country. >> carly fiorina, who didn't make the cut for the primetime show delivered a command been prime minister performance. she called out trump for being close to the clintons. >> i didn't get a phone call from bill clinton before i jumped into the race. did any of you? i didn't. maybe it's because i hadn't given money to the foundation other dor nated to his wife's
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senate campaign. >> but it was marco rubio to take on the real opponent. >> how is she going to lecture me about living paycheck to pay check? how will he lecture me about student loans? i owed over $100,000 just four years ago. >> some struggled to gain attention. marco rubio was one of the candidates who managed to break out. he and others brought up hillary clinton again and again. it was almost as though she was the 11th candidate on that stage last night. brianna? >> jeff, stand by. i want to bring in cnn's chief political analyst gloria borger, and cnn senior political analyst ron brownstein, the editorial director of "the national journal." jeff, one of key moments in this was donald trump taking aim at one of the moderators, megan kelly of fox news. >> your twitter account has several disparaging comments
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about women's looks, you once told a contestant it would by a pretty picture to see her on your knees. does that sound like the temp rachelle of a man we should elect as president, and how will you answer the charge that hillary clinton that you are part of the war on women? >> i think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. i've been -- i've been challenged by so many people, and i don't frankly have time for total political correctness, and to be honest with you, this country doesn't have time either. this country is in big trouble. we don't win anymore, we lose to china, we lose to mexico, both in trade and at the border. we lose to everybody. and frankly what i say and oftentimes it's fun, it's kidding, we have a good time, what i say is what i say. honestly, megan, if you don't
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like it, i'm sorry, i've been very nice to you, though i could probably not be based on the way you have treated me, but i wouldn't do that. >> he ends basically with a threat. it seemed like an opportunity maybe for some other republican to sort of jump in, right? and they didn't. >> a missed opportunity. i checked with a couple campaigns, it was an unscripted moment, they were so programmed going into this debate to not attack donald trump. they were so, you know, wanting to stay away from him attacking back that no one jumped in. i think it was a missed opportunity, but it's one of those things you can't plan for necessarily, and hindsite is 20/20. it's better to leave it alone. >> you can't plan for it, that's the point, right? it's about what is the instinct of these other candidates on the stage. >> look, i think as this point the fact they didn't attack him is indicative of the fact that they expect, they behaved as though they expect hi support to eventually deflate. if they were truly scared of him
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electorally, they would have attacked him more. i think it betrayed that most of them that the support dissipates and they did not want to offend the voters. >> yeah, so they -- they are a bit afraid, and maybe making that long play. you have a column up, a really good one on cnn.com and you write -- nobody stepped up to agree that trump's insults about womenn were offensive. maybe it was the rules that kept them silent or maybe that carly fiorina, the only woman in the field had been offstage. you think this would have been different if she had been there? >> yeah, i think carly fiorina would, first of all she did very well in her debate. she's got a lot of poise. she's fearless, right? she's got nothing to lose, like rand paul, by the way, did attack trump, he's got nothing to lose, so carly fiorina, i would argue because she's a woman probably is one of the things, but she would have jumped in and said, you know
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what? that's offensive. no matter what the rules were, i think you're right, i think everybody was so -- everybody had a line and nobody wanted to offend him, but i would argue this was one moment wh women watching out there, and by the way he's got 62% unfavorable rating with women, that women out there watching would say why aren't one of you guys standing up -- >> i guess in other debates would, but they're not quite sure how this works. >> they're finding their legs. >> i would think that debate would reinforce the assumption on the other party, that trump eventually goes down. >> there's no second act. there was no presidential trump that could appeal beyond the most alienated -- it was still talk show host. while he spoke well to his audience, his audience is not big enough to win when the race gets down to two people. he did none of that. in fact deep in deepened the
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doubts of people already skeptical. >> jeb bush, how do you think he performed? >> average, i think. he does not haves in missteps, did not have any bad moments, but it is still unclear that -- i think he wants to be president, no doubt about that, but it's unclear he's enjoying this moment and not quite sure how to celebrate -- but i don't think it was a disaster by any means, a few analysts said oh, he had a terrible night. but there are enough signs that show he needs to amp it up a bit. >> there are folks who have made $100 million investments, and they were watching to see some passion. a. and so -- so i think he got better as the debate went on, particularly the issue of
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education, which you can see is really in his heart. >> which he has to explain, because of his -- >> and he defended his position on immigration. he didn't he didn't waver. >> i think if you look at donald trump and jeb bush and scott walker, who is the pew atiff top tier of this 17, if you look at all of their performances, the race is more unsettled, more wide open after the debate, because each of them showed their limits. trump, as we talked about, there is no presidential trump. bush i think was fine, but fine doesn't answer the question about his passion, and scott walker kind of faded into the drapes. it made room for people like radio you could i don't and kasich. >> rubio and kasich i would have to say -- >> i have to ask about the 11 24 participant, hillary clinton. she wasn't there, instead she was keeping up with the kardashians, right? she was at a fund-raiser, kris jenner, kim kardashian, kanye
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west showed up. what's up with this? >> she may not have been watching the debate, but to the headquarte headquarters, and even watch parties. the reality is her campaign and democrats are videotaping every moment of this. there's so many moments they think will be used in the general election, because it is just -- they're enjoying this. >> you want to talk about the war on women, right? >> marco rubio an on the abortion if he's the nominee is something we'll hear about. democrats worry about this previewing the attacks on hillary, the reverse is also true. round 2 in the republican debates coming up right here on condition. market your calendars for september 16. next worries about a new isis attack strategy, the terrorist group is tied to lone wolves and elsewhere, but now is it trying to carry out mass killings. and a grave situation in syria, the u.s. cannot account
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jim scuitto has been alonging into this. there is now a debate i'm told within the u.s. intelligence community, there's a school of thought that things may be working on building the capability of carrying out mass casualty attacks. so we're talking about a charlie heb hebdo, and coordinated attacks, perhaps even attacks to commercial aviation. and to this point have been largely the realm of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula and other groups like that. they groups compete, like businesses. they're competing for recruits,
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for territory, and you have seen recruits go in either direction. for instance, in yemen, to isis, isis has been gaining supporters from the taliban in afghanistan. aqap earlier this week put out an appeal to its supporters saying, hey, isis isn't the only one in the lone wolf business. if you want to carry out an attack in our name, feel free to do it. attacks attract a lot of attention and have a major impact on u.s. policy. >> they sure do. such a great fear in that regard. jim scuitto, thanks so much. while the u.s. is opening a new front against isis, from the air anyway, the situation on the ground remains grave. the u.s. cannot account for the
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small group of syrian rebels it that is trained and deployed and isis has overrun another key city. barbara, what's going on. >> as you say, expect to see u.s. military action in the skies over syria ramp up in the coming days, but very serious questions about whether it will be enough. u.s. air strikes against isis and syria could be launched from this turkish air base within days, according to u.s. officials. this section of the border, u.s. intelligence calculates new isis fighters are still entering syria as fast as the u.s. can kill them. on the ground, u.s. strategy rests on the shoulders of just 54 u.s.-trained moderate syrian rebels. >> what we are trying to do is protect this very small force as it's on the very early stages of building combat power.
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>> the official pentagon word, the group is eager to fight and thwarted a recent al qaeda attack. the reality -- up to half are missing, they may have deserted early on, fled after the attack last week, or been captured. one officials admitting to cnn, quote, they are no longer a coherent military unit. >> they're not accompanied by u.s. forces in the field, which means they're going to get limited training, no equipment, but the vast majority of successful u.s. trained advise/assist mission require embedded forces in the field. >> privately pentagon officials say something has to change in how the u.s. aids the rebels. >> this breaks basically every train advise and assist rule that special operations forces have learned. >> and isis still grabbing territory. activists say in this western
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syrian town, more than 200 people have been abducted, up to 500 unaccounted for. cnn cannot independently verify those claims. >> today actually marks the one-year anniversary of the air strikes in iraq against isil targets. >> there have been gains, but iraqi forces still trying desperately to retake lost ground. here in badgi, where is there is a critical oil refinery, u.s. officials privately acknowledge that isis is now massing forces, gearing up for a new counterattack. still a year after the bombing began, the ultimate challenge, the struggle to find a strategy, find a solution that will roll back some of isis's momentum at least in some key areas. brianna? barbara starr at the pentagon, thank you. joining me is senator ben cardin of maryland, the senior democrat
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on the foreign relations committee. sir, thanks so much for being with us. i wanted to ask you about the record of jim scuitto that you just heard. can you tell us how close the u.s. government believes isis may be to making it desire a reality? >> we know isis is a very dangerous terrorist group. we know they have the ambitions to cause as much harm as they can to the united states so, yes, we treat their risk factors with great care. we know that they would like to do more damage. we know that the lone wolf type of activities have been encouraged, but they would like to do more damage, so yes we are very concerned about where they may be. >> we're hearing different estimates of how long it will take to erat date or defeat isis. years is the consensus, but how many years?
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>> well, isis in syria presents a particular problem, because we have the assad regime. so we have a regime that is not a friendly regime. a regime that we think has no legitimacy, so at the same time we're trying to assist the vetted opposition, the moderate opposition to go after isis, we have problems in protecting our trained troops from the assad regime itself. it's not an easy situation in syria. we are doing what we can to help stop the spread of isis. we want to -- we've had better success in iraq, but we still have issues in iraq with the government that will protect all of its citizens, including the sunni population and the kurdish population, so this is a real challenge to get the type of support from the local countries that are capable of standing up to isis's extreme activities. senator cardin, stay with me. senator cardin is undecided on
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buying it. now including a very influential democrat, senator chuck schumer of new york. cnn's senior white house correspondent jim acosta has details on this. this was a big hit to the white house. >> reporter: absolutely. the warehouse is trying to downplay the impact of losing new york senator chuck schumer's vote on the iran deal, but the president's allies are so furious, some are threatening to deny some of that schumer has always coveted, the job of senate majority leader. reporters were hu you would out before the question could be asked about what president obama thinking about losing a key democrat on the iran nuclear deal. senator chuck schumer. it was during the gop debate -- >> no, megan -- >> what are you supposed to -- >> the new york democrat dropped the news after it leaked to the "huffington post" saying i believe iran will not change, the vote to disapprove is the right one. before he announced his decision, he called the white house to inform his president.
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>> not particularly surprising to anyone here at the white house, even if it was disappo t disappointing. >> reporter: schumer could pay a price for his defection, a slew of former aides slashed out. chuck schumer who said it was a mistake to pass obamacare? this is our next senate leader? as jon favreau. and something like this could change that. no argument again that at the white house. >> i wouldn't be surprised if there's individual members that will consider the voting record of those who say they would like to lead the caucus. >> but it window likely kill the deal. it's unlikely enough democrats will join them to beat back a presidential veto. >> the president is going to
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veto it. i do not believe at the end of the day that republicans will have the votes to override his veto. >> >> still, questions linger, fareed zakaria asked the president how he could put his faith in the ayatollah, who tweeted a picture of president obama with a gun to his head. >> you don't negotiate deals with your friends. you negotiate with your enemies. superpowers count respond to taunts. superpowers focus on what is it we need to do in order to preserve our national security. the national security of our allies and our friends. >> reporter: now the president is on his way to martha's vineyard for a two-week vacation. the white house won't rule out a conversation or two from the president to members of congress. another chat president will likely is is likely to be with hillary clinton who will be on martha's vineyard's well. last year they are sparring over
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foreign policy. they're pretty much joined at the hip. >> jim acosta, thank you. we're back with senator cardin of maryland, the ranking member on the senate foreign relations committee. that means he is a key democrat the white house has been trying to convince. you're still at this point, senator, undecided? >> that's correct. can i just say? i'm very proud of the democratic caucus. each of our members have been studying this issue, they didn't rush to judgment. many are still undecided. they're making this decision on what they think is in the best interests of our country. they're not going to make a decision based upon party affiliation. this is a consequential vote, a very important vote for the security of our country, and each member is laboring. i've not made our decision yet, but we expect how each will vote for -- >> so when you hear josh earnest say there from the podium
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essentially that this decision by chuck schumer could be disqualifying when it comes to whether he should be the senate democratic leader, you hear other former white house officials, dan pfeiffer, jon favreau, saying much stronger words about this. is it inappropriate? >> i think so. this is not a matter of party loyalty. this is a matter of what's in the best interests of our country and each senator has to make those judgments. this is a matter of national security, it's not a party loyalty test. yes, i think it is inappropriate. >> it seems you're not the first senator i've heard some of this frustration with. do you feel like when you heard president obama even the other day saying that members of the republican caucus found common cause with iranian hard-liners, those who say death to america, do you feel like the rhetoric is beelgtsing the effort that you and other senators are putting into this?
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>> well, i know the president was frustrated with the republican conference. their members basically judged the agreement before it was finished. that's a pretty frustrating position for the president who is in negotiations, and other members have basically come out against the agreement. the president is making the point in order to try to get support. we want the president to be strong, so i don't, i don't think we're critical of the manner in which he went about doing it. we may disagree with some of the analogies, but he's trying to get as much support as he can. >> what's holding up your decision at this point? >> well, i decided it's been three weeks since we got the agreement, let than three weeks. i've been involved in hearings for the last 2 1/2 weeks in briefings, and reading documents, still getting some additional information. i told the people in maryland i'm going to give them a chance
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during this work period, to have a chance to meet with different groups. i'm going to do that. so i'm trying to get as much information as possible. we had 60 days. again we're just in the first parts of those 60 days. i want to take the time to make the right decision. i think taking this time will allow me to sort through this, give the people of maryland an opportunity and make a decision that i think is best for our country. >> we know you'll have some down time on recess, and we look forward to hearing your decision as well. senator ben cardin, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. coming up north korea's kim jong-un wants to turn back time. would he's ordering people to reset their clocks. and next, bracing for an emotional weekend in ferguson. we are looking beyond the anniversary of michael brown's death. what's changed in the last year? what hasn't?
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we're keeping an eye on protests will mark the weekend's first an verse of michael brown's fatal shooting.
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we have brooks, and tom fuentes, and cnn anchor don lemon, who reported extensively from ferguson. first, how has the nation changed? it feels as if it has changed. >> if you look at the polls, any number of americans, who regard after kaj americans as -- the exception of the reality of racism has grown. when we look at police departments across the country many of them have begun to implement -- and police brutality is not a problem for them, but rather a problem for us as a country. michael brown and his death did that for the country looks with a generation of democratic activists who took their mobile devices, their cell phones and
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sent his pictures, images of his tragic death to the entire world, and made president obama lift up his name in geneva. we as a country have come some distance, but we have a great distance to go, which is why, for example, a year later the naacp is marching from selma to washington to lift up the case -- the k458ening of racial brutality before the country. >> don, michael brown was not the first blackman killed by a white police officer. won't by the last unfortunate to say, but there's something unique about this situation that created this awareness that you heard cornel talk about. what was it? >> looking back now one would think -- and then mike brown, and then because of mike brown, eric garner's case also got the
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attention that it got. i think cornell is right that awareness was made by awareness from mobile devices of what they were doing, but also it was because mike brown was a teenager, and those young people related to him. the initial response, hands up/don't shoot, that some say never happened, but regardless of that, regardless of that, it brought awareness and attention to a problem in the country, and i think that momentum just sort of gained steam, and then kept picking up steam after garner, and then after other situations, as we started covering north charleston, and on and on. i think it became a movement after that. >> i think it is essentially that we remind our viewers that darren wilson was exonerated twice and that includes once by the department of justice, but the department of justice found widespread racism and questionable acts in the
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ferguson police department in the city actually found, quote -- the city is pumping out thousands of new arrest warrants, jailing people over minor offenses and this practice continues despite a scathing report which i just mentioned from the department of justice that found the ferguson police department and municipal court were unconstitutionally targeting low income and minority residents with tickets and fines. why is this happening a year later, tom? >> ton honest, i don't know. what their full, they had pledges from the government, and on down, that they would change that practice of making revenue on the backs of the minority community, but i think the really saddest part for me is
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even a year later, it's still hard to have an option objective with a white police officers kills that black person, the cops are also white racist. we have to get to a point where we can talk about this objectively, factually, and say what is the circumstance in this incident? did the cop, you know, act in self-defense? what was the justification in was there justification? i we still haven't reached that point. we're still at the point of taking sides based on race, and maybe not even wanting to know. >> you know, maybe not believing the facts, when investigations are done and completed, people still want to believe what they want to believe. then the evidence is tainted.
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it's only we've got to get over that. >> cornell, i want you to make a final thought as you look forward moving forward here. >> we have to look beyond these individual instances of police brutality and consider this fact -- if african-american men are 21 times more likely to lose their lives at the hands of police than white counterparts, that empirical reality is in the context of an emotional and civic narrative and our young people cannot ignore that. >> thank you so much. tom and don, thanks so much for the conversation. he will be interviews donald trump, a live interview, you never know what's going to happen. be sure to watch at 9:00 eastern. already living according to its own calendar, the north korean regime creating its own time zone.
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already accused of living in the past, the north korean regime is about to turn back the hands of time operating according to its own clock even as it sounds a new alarm about war. brian todd, what's about all this? >> kim jong-un is so intent on writing his own rules, bending his country to his will, tonight he's creating his own time zone. pyongyang time will go into effect later this month. new signs kim is not afraid to threaten powerful adversarieses. he's ruthless, unpredictable, looks for any excuse to jab at his enemies. tonight with joint u.s./south korean military exercises coming
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up kim jong-un's found that excuse sending a spokesman for his foreign ministry out to deliver a message warning north korea's adversaries are provoking a second korean war. >> the u.s. is will-bent on an increased level of military provocations in front of the door of the dprk and nobody will feel safe. >> reporter: analysts say the dictator's not only sending a signal to his enemies but an intenderal signal as well. >> it's. >> rrnlg jet stream legitimacy. the north korean leader has been having a hard time holding things in place. it's about perpetuating the myth of the leadership and the kim family. >> reporter: the demand for obedience, siege mentality, seems to be kim's m.o., to create his own reality inside north korea where outside rules don't apply to him. from possibly faking a missile
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launch from a submarine to flaunting diplomatic rules, making dennis rodman the highest-level diplomat to visit during his rule, regardless of the pr fiasco. kim's own reality, creating his own time, pyongyang time, setting north korean clocks back 30 minutes. that will happen august 15th, the seventh anniversary of north korean's lib raugs from what they call the wicked japanese imperialists. >> they already control when people wake up in the morning with loud speakers and revolutionary music. nothing is computerized there. so they don't have to rewrite code. it's all manual. someone has to turn the speakers on a little earlier in the morning. >> reporter: analysts say this time zone change is also part of kim's calculation to portray himself more like his grandfather, the founder of north korea. kim il-sung, considered a hero in their liberation from japan.
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as you can see experts say the young kim has already been trying to look more like his grandfather physically. by making this time zone change, playingup the north koreans' hatred of japan, he's trying to solidify his position inside his own country which tonight still may be a little tentative. >> brian todds, thanks for that report. fallout from a furious debate. donald trump pushes back against charges he demeans women accusing a female moderator of singling him out. trump will talk to cnn tonight in a new interview. searches stepped up near a remote island in the indian ocean amid claims new debris has been found from flight mh-370. mornings.
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trump awe new target. he's blasting moderators at the first republicantial presidential debate saying he was treated unfairly even as he stole the show. he's going live on cnn to talk about his performance and the accusation he's engaged in a war on women. massacre feared. is isis plotting a bloodbath like the paris terror attacks? we'll tell you what we're hearing from u.s. intelligence officials tonight. the russia connection. does the u.s. have any hard evidence that moscow was behind an attack on pentagon computers? i'll ask a homeland security insider congressman peter king. obama's hard line. the president is refusing to back down from a comparison between republicans and iranians who chant "death to america." stand by for his exclusive interview with cnn. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world.
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wolf blitser is off. i'm brianna keilar. you're in "the situation room." u.s. intelligence officials sounding the alarm isis may be stealing a page from al qaeda's playbook strengthening its ability to carry out spectacular massacres like the paris terror attacks. donald trump is lashing out accusing the moderators of the first republican presidential debate of being tougher on him than his opponents. he's singling out the only woman on the panel who grilled him about derogatory comments he's made about women. trump is taking his post-debate offensive right here to cnn with a live interview tonight. we have correspondents, analysts and newsmakers standing by as we cover all the news that's breaking now. first to our chief congressional correspondent dana bash. she covered the debate in cleveland. dana? >> brianna, jeb bush is telling
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reporters that he thinks that donald trump is "larger than life" but the debate showed trump doesn't have a lot of specifics. but what he lacked in specifics he made up for in theater. but he wasn't the only one. >> businessman donald trump! >> reporter: everyone expected donald trump to get feisty but with a competitor for the white house, not a moderator. >> you've called women you don't like fat biggs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell. >> no, it wasn't. your twitter account has several disparaging comments about women's looks. >> i've been challenged by so many people and i don't frankly have time for total political correctness. and honestly, megan, if you don't like it, i'm sorry, i've been very nice to you although i could probably maybe not be based on the way you have treated me. but i wouldn't do that. >> reporter: that changed the minute trump left the stage. taking to twitter to attack
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megan kelly as overrated and angry saying, she bombed. another moment may make tried and true republicans think twice about trump. he raised eyebrows by raising his hand, refusing to promise to only run as a republican, not an independent. >> you can't say tonight that you can make that emergencpledg? >> i cannot say -- >> reporter: the republican chairman, privately talking with trump, told me he's not worried. >> somebody who is the chairman of the party to not be nervous about somebody standing on your own debate stage not vowing to be a member of your party? that seems a little odd, no? >> no, actually, what it does is it proves what i'm saying, which is if i'm not nervous about it, i don't think anyone else should be. >> reporter: there were more cracking moments. chris christie and rand paul mixed it up over personal liberties versus community. >> when you're sitting in a subcommittee blowing hot air about this you can say things about that. when you're responsible for
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protecting the lives of the american people -- >> i don't trust president obama with our records. i know you gave him a big hug. if you want to give him a big hug again go right ahead. >> you know, senator paul, the hugs that i remember are the hugs that i gave to the families who lost their people on september 11th. those are the hugs i remember. >> reporter: one of the night's breakout stars was ohio governor john kasich. >> more like the little engine that can. we're getting great, great reaction. >> reporter: he stood out for his take on same-sex marriage. >> i just went to a wedding of a friend who happens to be gay. because somebody doesn't think the way i do doesn't mean that i can't care about them or can't hoff them. >> reporter: the only woman in the gop field, carly fiorina, didn't poll well enough to make the main event. but shined at the undercard. >> hillary clinton lies about benghazi, she lies about e-mails. >> reporter: telling cnn she took advantage of the moment. >> it's fair to say that this morning a lot more people know who i am and that i'm running for president.
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>> reporter: fiorina told me this morning she hopes that helps her get onto the main stage at cnn's debate next month. that's limited to the top ten candidates scoring the highest in national polls, much like the fox debate. if her poll numbers follow the spike in the google searches for her name, which happened after that happy hour debate, she might have a shot. >> we will see. stick with me as i bring in chief political analyst gloria borger, washington correspondent jeff zellny. gloria, i think you were really surprised in particular that no guys stood up for megan kelly in this back and forth with donald trump? >> i was. it was a moment where somebody could have exhibited some kind of leadership or, you know, just off the cuff. because they were all prepared for everything else. and i would argue that if carly fiorina, for example, had been on that stage, she would have said, mr. trump, i think those
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remarks are offensive and at least tried to defend her. but rand paul was very happy to attack donald trump on an assortment of issues. and nobody -- they all held back because they want his supporters if he should not get the nomination, which most of them don't think he will. >> i want to add that i spoke to fiorina last night and this morning and she said that's exactly what she would have done. >> sure. >> she talked this morning on cnn saying she thought it was i inappropriate, so on and so forth, and she would have made that point had she been on the stage. >> the women watching the debate are like, who's going to speak up for women? >> what was the calculus here? they're afraid of donald trump? >> i think even men watching the debate were -- everyone has a sister, daughter, wife, someone. it's the humanity of it. i think republicans have learned somethingress this is a new playbook but look at the people who attacked trump the hardest. rick perry, lindsey graham, look where it got them.
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>> losing in a debate to carly fiorina. >> as donald trump might say, losers. but i think they're a bit afraid they're going to have to get to less afraid. so far they've been operating assumption, maybe he'll go away. now they know he won't. they're going to have to have a strategy. i think they'll get less afraid. great interview with the chairman of the republican national committee. imagine another republican candidate standing up there not pledging to support the nominee? we've never seen anything like it, so bizarre. >> it was amazing out of the gate, that moment. let's talk about some of the others in the gop field. jeb bush, diagnosis? >> the way i've been trying to figure out how to frame it is he stood his ground but didn't stand out. he did what he had to do when it comes to the issues. for example, his campaign was very proud, rightly so, of the way he explained his position on common core which is something that has a lot of conservatives distancing themselves from him. he explained that he is for
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states' rights when it comes to education and so forth. he also was kind of a different person, got his mojo when he talked about his education, covering his brother who was very similar. but again, when it comes to his iraq, to his family legacy, you could see the wheels spinning. it's still not something that's comfortable for him. >> he went out of his way, don't you think, to say, i'm more conservative than the other bushes because the other bushes, at least with the republican base, are not conservative enough. and what jeb kept trying to remind people was, i was a really conservative governor of this state. and also he wanted to be the grownup in the room. right? and so -- and i think he tried to have that persona. so he didn't attack donald trump, he was more in sorry than in anger about donald trump. >> debates are important but we covered his brother's debates, george w. bush never won any of those early debates, barack obama didn't either.
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2007 he was term, a terrible debater. it matters some but it's only one piece of the campaign. >> the long game here is, this is okay because he did no harm? i've heard some republicans who thought, what a bummer, people who are in his corner and they wanted him to just shine a little more. i thought have more stature, even, look more like he belonged, like he was comfortable. >> he's got $100 million in the bank. >> right. >> people gave him that money. they wanted to watch that debate and they wanted to see him shine because they have an investment in jeb bush. and i'm not sure a lot of those donors walked away saying, great. >> his aides point out he's not had a debate since october 2002, a long time. pre-social media and everything. i'm willing to give him another debate or two before we cast judgments that he's the worst debater in the world. >> sure. and we see candidates turn their performance around from one debate to the other a few weeks later.
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>> he wasn't bad, he just didn't shine, he wasn't the front-runner guy. >> scott walker polling in third place. he's a very serious candidate. he didn't really seem to break out last night. but he also seemed to do no harm, maybe? >> do no harm? i would put him in the same camp as jeb bush. do no harm, but wasn't wow. again, that could potentially -- that is surprising. when you look at the standing that he has in the polls. but it's not easy when you're on that stage. the thing with chris christie and rand paul, that happened because that was happening from a distance for months, maybe close to a year, they were having these volleying, rhetorical volleys back and forth, up and down the eastern seaboard about this issue. they were dying to do this. >> it's a real difference too. it's a genuine policy difference in the republican party. i'd say one of the most significant differences, an actual debate at this debate that wasn't quite a debate. >> i loved how you described how much came out in this basically
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a one-minute exchange, how much information we learned, right? >> chris christie, he managed to say that he was there on 9/11 to help families and victims. he managed to trash a sitting senator saying, you can sit in your committee rooms, i'm here doing the work. he managed to pack a lot in there and remind people he could keep america safe, never mind those libertarians out there. that was a practiced dancer but it was good, he was good i thought. >> i thought christie -- doesn't get enough credit. >> i agree. >> he had a substantive debate with mike huckabee over entitlement reform. he said, we're going to raise the social security age over a long -- retirement age over a long stretch of time. so we had a substantive debate over surveillance and over entitlements. and i think let's give chris christie credit here because just, what, a month or two a go we were thinking he was going to be the bully in this race. >> before donald trump, the real bully, showed up. >> exactly, exactly. >> all right. one final question.
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did you guys see where hillary clinton was last night? this cracks me up. she was at a fund-raiser. check out the picture. >> that's so awesome. >> kim kardashian, kanye west, kris jenner was there. we're showing you this selfie. she said she wasn't watching the debates -- >> full reality tv. is anything sacred? full-on. >> she wasn't watching the debate but she happened to send out this e-mail, her campaign did, and it said, "nope, nope, nope" on the subject line. should one of these guys be president? a picture of all the people says, nope, send money to my campaign. i can tell you, her campaign was watching this debate very, very carefully for any of those moments that are going to come back again and again and again in the general election. whoever she runs against, if of course she wins the nomination. >> she seem pretty happy about it. jiff, gloria, dana, thanks so much to all of you guys. cnn will give voters a second chance to compare the republican candidates side by side. we're hosting the next gop
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another terror attack killing thousands of people. that was america's greatest fear following al qaeda's strike on 9/11. now there's new concern isis is working toward an attack on the same massive scale. cnn chief national security correspondent jim sciutto has been working the story. what are you finding out? >> the thinking to this point has been isis is focused on small-bore, less-ambitious attacked. aqap more focused on mass-casualty attacks. now there's debate in the intelligence community, some warning isis is working to build the capability to carry out mass-casualty attacks which would greatly expand the threat from the terror group. from the bloody rampage in paris on the offices of "charlie hebdo" to attacks on commercial
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aviation. u.s. intelligence community divided on whether isis today focused on less-ambitious lone wolf attacks may be working to build the capability to carry out mass-casualty attacks. more complex, more coordinated, more deadly. the motivation in part to compete with aqap. that same competition was evident this week when aqap made its own pitch to supporters to carry out lone wolf attacks that so far have been largely isis' territory. >> i think they're taking a lot of the new recruits that they don't have time to train who have not been brought up in their systems and using them to create the kind of mass-casualty which produces the media attention that exactly is what they want that shows they're still powerful. >> reporter: u.s. intelligence senses the formidable flow of foreign fighters to isis has not abated.
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today the total number of isis fighters numbers between 20,000 and think thousand. similar to level wltds the u.s.-led air campaign began. despite thousands believed killed in coalition air strikes. turkey, the prime transit point into syria, is still struggling to stem the flow. however, the u.s. believes its agreement to allow u.s. air strikes from a turkish air base, and help establish a safe zone along the border, indicate that istanbul is stepping up. the administration is also claiming gains on the ground. >> in iraq, isil has lost the freedom to operate in some 30% of the territory that they held last summer. overall, isil has lost more than 17,000 square kilometers of territory in northern syria. >> reporter: still, u.s. officials say the process of degrading isis will take at least three years. in fact, the president pledging no specific timeline for defeating the group. not disputing he will hand this war to the next president.
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>> i think my key goal when i turn over the keys to the president, the next president, is that we are on track to defeat isil. >> reporter: one group the u.s. having success against, the khorasan group, offshoot of al qaeda. the president in syria, you may remember, at the start of the u.s. air campaign, there was talk the khorasan group had imminent attack plans on the u.s. the belief now in the intelligence community is the strikes they've been able to carry out hasn't eliminated the group but it has put them under pressure and those threats are no longer considered imminent. >> disrupting operations. good to know. jim sciutto, thanks so much. i want to dig deeper with republican congressman peter king of new york. he's a member of the house homeland security and intelligence committees. congressman, thanks for being with us. if you could share with us any information you have about isis planning a mass-casualty terror attack. >> first of all, i pretty much agree with jim sciutto. i don't think there's any hot intelligence saying that.
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but i believe there's more and more consensus developing in the intelligence community that we have to be ready for this, assume isis does want to compete with al qaeda and the ar laborian peninsula, they want to have the mass-casualty attack. and this large number of foreign fighters they have coming into syria to fight with them, fight alongside them, they can go back to their countries, back to europe, back to the united states. the operating premise is that we do believe that isis now is working toward carrying out some sort of large-scale attack. again, i'm not aware of any hard-core intelligence saying that. but just the logical progress of what isis has been doing, how they try to recruit volunteers, how they want to make sure that aqap and core al qaeda don't reclaim the headlines. one way to do that is to have a mass-casualty attack. we know over the fourth of july is that they wanted to carry out some high-profile attacks.
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now, whether or not they would have been in the hundreds or the thousands, we don't know. they did -- they are now talking more about the high-profile attacks similar to "charlie hebdo" but in larger numbers. >> you have talked about the dark web being used for recruitment. a mass-casualty attack would take coordination. what type of coordination would be done here, do you think? >> well -- first of all, they encounter people here in the united states. they obviously can be working with, again, new technology. they have people who are willing to carry out their operations. again, as far as coordination, i mean, they can go to europe, they can come here on visas. actually, they don't require visas. i would say we have to assume this attack is going to come and the coordination can come from overseas, come from here, and it's something -- again, it can be carried out in various locations at the same time. that's also something we have to
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dread that type of coordination. >> tomorrow, congressman, is the one-year mark of new u.s. military operations in iraq. do you think any ground has been made against isis in that year? >> i think we've gained some ground and lost some ground. this has been a good year for isis because with all of the bombing missions we've carried out, the fact is isis is still getting more and more recruits, more and more volunteers. they still have a land mass larger than great britain. they are, again, to me, just filling up more and more support. and they are becoming a larger and larger factor in the middle east. and the longer the u.s. is engaged and is not able to administer the knockout blow, to me, the better it is for isis. we've got to step up. there has to be more coordination on the ground. we have to have forward operators to make better use of these bombing missions. i believe we have to have american troops embedded with iraqi troops to coordinate the
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iraqis and kurds. we have to do a better job of getting people on the ground in syria to get trained anti-isis, anti-syrian regime troops on the ground. because right now isis is definitely, i believe, in a dominant position. >> some have said maybe three years until isis can really be destroyed or conquered here. do you think it will take longer than that? >> i think at the current rate it's going to go on longer than that. i don't see what we're doing now that would eliminate isis within the next three years. i just don't see it. i mean, at best it's a holding action. the longer a holding action goes on, to me, the better it is for isis. they are on the ground. they are there. they are getting the volunteers. they are getting foreign fighters coming in. and so i don't see why they'd be talking about three years, unless we change our tactics, unless we change our strategy. and that's going to require a more concerted effort by the
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u.s. not the president's policy of taking one step forward, one step sidewards. >> congressman, stay with me. we're getting word of an attack on u.s. forces in afghanistan. we are readying that report. we'll have it for you. we'll talk more with congressman king after a quick break. "ride away" (by roy orbison begins to play) ♪ i ride the highway... ♪ i'm going my way... ♪i leave a story untold... he just keeps sending more pictures... if you're a free-range chicken, you roam free. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. ♪ two wheels a turnin'...
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afghanistan. we have congressman peter king standing by with us. first, i do want to get details about this attack from cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr. tell us what you're picking up from sources. >> reporter: details are still coming in, but tonight we can tell you that u.s. troops, a base where they are located in kabul near the airport there, they came under attack this evening from insurgents. it is being described in this fashion. there was an initial large explosion believed to be from a suicide bomber followed by a small-arms attack. to get to the point immediately, the pentagon does not know at this point if any u.s. troops were killed or injured in this attack. two insurgents killed. they are still gathering information about all of this. this was the third large-complex attack of the day in kabul. two other facilities also coming under attack by insurgents. a lot of concern about what is going on. they know there's a certain
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level of insurgent activity at all times. but three attacks, three complex attacks in one day. where this camp is near the airport, this is an area that houses u.s. troops that are helping train afghan forces. they have been there for some time. i don't think it's any big secret that they live and work there. but tonight, no clear word on whether any u.s. troops were impacted by the attack. our own cnn producer in kabul heard all of it. he is reporting to us tonight. again, a large explosion followed by smaller explosions and our cnn producer is telling us he heard a gun battle going on for at least half an hour. >> at least half an hour, all right, barbara starr. we know you will continue to monitor this developing situation. i do want to get more with congressman peter king on the story. he's a member of the homeland security and intelligence committees. so congressman, it seems like we're still getting details in here but hearing this third
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large attack in afghanistan, in kabul, in one day. this coming over a decade after the u.s. took out the taliban in afghanistan. can you shed any light on the specific attack and also just the threat that we're seeing there still in that country? >> as far as the specific attack, we're still waiting for all the details. certainly hope and pray there are no american casualties. as to what's happening here, the president has announced, president obama's announced he's ended the war in afghanistan. the fact is he's not ending the war. what he is doing is reducing the u.s. military presence but the taliban and al qaeda and even isis are making inroads into afghanistan. and the fact is that this puts the remaining american troops there at risk. we shouldn't be surprised by these attacks. to me it demonstrates why this war is not over and why the president should not have been so quick to start talking about a drawdown and a withdrawal. because as troops withdraw, also intelligence is diminished over
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there. and it puts us in a weakened position. so again, it shows a vas lation by the president which leads to more violence, more attacks. if we do pull out completely from afghanistan and that once again becomes a privileged sanctuary for terrorists, we saw what happened on september 11th. >> i want to move on, ask you about this hack of pentagon e-mail, the unclassified system used by the joint staff. have you been briefed on whether russia was responsible for this? >> i have not been specifically briefed. the fact is that it's either going to be russia, china, or iran. i know they're talking it's russia. that is a very likely suspect. we get -- there's attempted attacks on our infrastructure i'd say several hundred times every day. specifically by the russians and chinese and iranians. we know what russia's been capable of in the past. we know what china has been capable of in the past. this certain lly leans toward t russians. i don't want to say anything specifically but the fact is it
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shows we are on constant threat of attack. fortunately this was unclassified and from what i understand a pretty unsophisticated type of attack. it could have been a spearfishing type attack which meant it could have been some personnel inadvertently in the pentagon allowed this to happen. so that would require yet more train for the employees. but again, the fact is they are capable of very sophisticated attacks too and we have to constantly be on defense. we have to also be able to go on offensive, that we can be able to spot an attack, cordon it off, and retaliate. we can't allow these attacks to go unpunished. >> do you think cutting off diplomatic ties is something that increasingly needs to get a look? >> cutting off diplomatic ties with russia? i think that's probably a last resort. i think we need tougher, most of effective diplomacy, more effective retaliation against russia, whether it's ukraine, whether it's the baltic states, eastern europe, these type of cyber attacks -- russia has to
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be told there's a price. just now the fact that they're making with basically the war criminal, as far as i'm concerned, that again shows russia does not have respect for our president, does not have respect for the united states, is constantly making these types of intrusions and incursions, and we're putting ourselves at risk. >> i want to make the turn and talk to you about politics now. i know you watched the debate last night. you considered running, you decided not to. do you regret your decision? >> watching last night, looking at it saying, god, i could have been a contender. but i didn't have the funding that was necessary. and like a washed-up marlon brando. i stholt it was a very good debate, vibrant. except for rand paul everyone did a good job. >> oh, so that's who you think lost. who do you think won? >> i would say probably marco rubio did the best, and carly fiorina did phenomenally well in the first debate. jeb bush held his own and donald trump did in effect what he had to do. that's why -- listening to the comments before that someone
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sort of jumped in and defended megan kelly. first of all, megan kelly got in the ring, she took on donald trump, donald trump fought back. you're talking about a tough reporter, you're talking about a guy who's leading the polls. you let them fight it out. to me it would have been sexist for someone to jump in and help megan. she can take care of herself. she's tough, trump is tough. nobody's going to defend chris wallace. i don't think megan kelly needed help, i think she loved it, i think donald trump loved it. >> that's a really interesting point. but i definitely want to know what you of this jeb bush in his performance. >> i thought he was solid. i think i do share what you were saying, there was no breakout moment for jeb bush. i think he's in this for the long fight. he has the name, he has the organization, he has the long funding which can carry him through -- well into next year. i think that's -- right now he's involved in the long struggle. almost like a chinese version of
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battle. you have the long-term view. i think that's what jeb bush was doing. but he didn't make any mistakes last night, he held his own, but there was no breakout moment for him. >> do you think long-term that may serve him? do you think long-term he has the best chance of becoming the republican nominee? >> right newow i would say that. again, as that number of 16 or 17 starts to dwindle down, that's when jeb bush is going to have to make his move. you can't continue to wait. but i would say right now he probably did what he had to do last night but i thought marco rubio did well, chris christie demolished rand paul, and john case sick who i worked with in the house, john made a very impressive performance last night. >> congressman peter king, excellent discussion. we covered a lot of areas. thanks so much for talking with us today. >> thank you. just ahead, new finds of suspected debris from missing malaysia airlines 370. we're following the intensifying
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the search for plane debris is intensifying off reunion island where a wing part from malaysia airlines 370 was found. french authorities are examining additional items that may include a windowpane and seat cushion. we are getting conflicting reports about those objects tonight. our justice correspondent pamela brown is following this investigation. pamela? >> as the search continues tonight, some of the victims' families say they're trying to get visas to go to reunion
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island because they don't trust the process. this as conflicting reports from malaysian and french authorities are adding to confusion about whether other parts of the plane have been found. tonight, french authorities on reunion island and nearby mauritius ramping up the search. planes and boats scouring the ocean and coastal areas for hours. this captain not downplaying how hard this search will be. >> it is very difficult to undertake a search for a small object from the air. >> reporter: in malaysia, the transport minister doubling down, telling cnn his teams have not only confirmed the wing part known as a flaperon is from the plane, but that more plane debris is in french custody. >> we managed to find additional debris. these debris are all aircraft materials. the windowpane materials, the cushion materials. so once we collect it, immediately we hand it over to
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the military police. >> reporter: but french authorities on reunion island tell cnn objects were collected but no one has determined if they are relevant. >> breaking down the tug of war here, it appears the additional debris is still on reunion island. i don't think malaysia can say that is definitely even from an aircraft, much less flight 370. but i think the flaperon, malaysians are correct, there's very little doubt that's from anything else. >> reporter: and frustration is growing in beijing where chinese relatives of those on board are demanding answers. some crawling on hands and knees to the malaysian embassy. this woman who lost her daughter pleading, please, i beg you, bring my child back to me. and this woman saying nothing makes sense, even pointing out the passengers' cell phones worked and rang through weeks after the plane went down. adding, she believes the passengers are still alive.
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but in the end, no one from the embassy showed up to meet with them. and another day ends with no new answers. at a news conference today, one official said the debris recovered in recent days is "not as obvious as the flaperon" and would require much more complex analysis. >> pamela brown, thanks so much. i want to bring in our aviation analyst, miles o'brien, and peter goelz, a former ntsb managing director. if, peter, you were operating this search, what level of confidence would you have that you're going to find more debris? >> i would have not a lot of confidence. >> really. >> to be honest. i think we were quite lucky and it was extraordinary that we found the lap flaperon and it appears to be from flight 370. but boy, finding another piece is going to be extraordinary. >> finding another piece would be extraordinary. it's kind of unbelievable. i think people might think,
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miles, you're going to find something. you have the australian deputy prime minister and the transport minister saying that just over half of the water at this point that's been searched on the seafloor has been completed. are we looking at years before the plane is located? is it possible it's never located? >> i sure hope it's not years. it doesn't need to be years. when i look at the heartbreaking pictures of those family members, just the idea that this could rock on for a couple more seasons -- it's wintertime this now but when it gets better, and the weather is bad there in the winter. when it gets good enough to really search, i sure hope the world community, the malaysians leading, the chinese should step up, the australians, maybe the trench too, should double down another effort to search. it shouldn't rock on for a few more seasons. let's get more ships on station and start looking. now that we know, with much greater certainty, this is where it was, let's increase the search. >> because china has a tremendous stake in this with how many victims were on board mh-370, right?
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there would be robe for them to step up? >> they have a tremendous stake. they have not been a very aggressive partner in this. and i think miles is absolutely right. when we get into the spring and into the summer and a few more tos we ought to double or triple the amount of vessels out there and let's get to the bottom of this. this cannot go on for another year or two. i mean, it's just too heartbreaking. >> if this flaperon tells us, tells the scientific community, that yes, you may have been searching in the right area, the search area was correct, then do you really need to find other debris to have that confirmed or is this enough, the flaperon? >> you don't have to find it. it would help. every shred of evidence is good and helps the investigation. the key, though, to solving this is going to be getting to the wreckage and ultimately the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder. the real concern i have is that when we get to that point, and that day will come.
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i believe they will find it. it may not solve the mystery. >> and that's what's heartbreaking, peter, that the black box may not yield anything. >> that's right. i mean, and there's a great possibility that there may not be enough data on it or that it may have been shut off. but if we find the wreckage field, we will go a long way towards figuring this out. we will bring up the wreckage. we'll be able to analyze it. we'll eliminate some things. >> how much better does communication need to be here? the malaysian government saying things that aren't necessarily on the same level as what the french are saying. >>
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the truth of the matter is inside of iran, the people most opposed to the deal are the revolutionary force, hardliners who are opposed to any cooperation with the international community. the reason that mitch mcconnell and the rest of the folks in his caucus who oppose this jumped out and opposed it before they even read it, before it was even posted, is reflective of an ideological commitment not to get a deal done. in that sense, they do have a lot under common with hardliners who are much more satisfied with the status quo. >> he is not backing down there, fareed. >> he is not backing down at all. he is very comfortable with the substance of this, with the substance of his case. if you want to go at it at 30,000 feet at an abstract level, he will do that. if you want to get into the
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details, into the waiting periods, the mechanisms for verification, he is comfortable doing that. i think he feels like his -- the best thing he can do is to put forward the strongest substantive case he can and really to lay out what he sees as the implications, whether it's that if we don't do this, there's a greater likelihood of war, if it's that he thinks that people are making common cause with iranian hardliners, he is not mincing words. >> give us a sense of his demeanor. did he seem really confident that he not only has a good deal here but also that he has a veto-proof majority that will ensure it's enacted? >> he certainly said the latter. but part of making sure you get these kind of majorities is you put on the best face and show you can. he seems very confident on the substance. he feels very confident that
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they did negotiate a good deal, that they got the other countries -- brought them along from in many cases it was a big stretch to get the russians and chinese particularly engaged. and i think he feels that at the end of the day, people will realize that the alternative to this is that the sanctions collapse, that iran goes back to producing sentcentrifuges and da nuclear path. he does think in the end the policy will work. i asked him, you know, what happens if this fail snz s? he said, i predict success and i'm planning for success. >> it's a great interview. really looking forward to seeing it in its entirety. you can see all of fareed's exclusive interview with president obama sunday morning at 10:00 eastern on fareed zakaria gps only here on cnn. a few presidential conte
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