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>> and we have been spending three days talking about this instead of policy, that the other candidates want to talk about. >> thank you so much for joining me today. i'm pamela brown. "at this hour" starts right now. ferguson on edge. new protests expected soon after shots rang out on the anniversary of michael brown's death. and an undocumented immigrant attacking a woman inside her home. hear why the police chief says the blood trail starts in washington, d.c. and it's time for donald trump to go. that is from a republican power player in new hampshire. she joins me live as trump is not apologizing for comments being considered and called sexist. and the moment of impact caught on video. see what happens after a twister touches down.
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hello, everyone. i'm kate baldwuan. joining from peaceful, silent marches and prayers to rocks, bottles and a barrage of bullets. police say it was not tied to the protest at all. shots were fired as the new police chief was in the middle of talking about better relations with the community. listen here. >> we're trying to work with the community with explaining to them their rights. and we just want to be as patient as possible. >> a message to those who are looting -- >> get down. shots fired. >> police say a man unleashed a remarkable amount of gunfire
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from a stolen handgun. officers chased him down and fired back. some of that encounter was also caught on camera. >> this is a crime scene, back up! back up! >> give him some help! >> give the man some help! >> get some help! >> that man is now in critical condition and undergoing surgery right now. our sara sidner is in ferguson and has been following what was, as i said, peaceful protests and prayers in remembering this young man to breaking out in violence once again. what happened, sara? >> reporter: police were pretty clear in saying at the st. louis county police department these were criminals and not part of the protest that started all of the shooting that you heard there. and i happened to be standing, me and another reporter, with the chief of police as he was explaining that he was trying to get people to have patience, the change was coming and that the
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city is moving forward. and suddenly those shots rang out. and so you heard them, you can hear them there, going over and over and over. i mean, there were a lot of shots fired. and then there was a whole second round of firing that happened. and then as the night went on a couple hours later, a third round of firing on canfield drive, the road that michael brown was killed on. not the way that his family had wanted people to remember this day. but it did happen. and there are now three people who have been shot, one in critical condition. police say this started, the first shooting started because of a dispute between two people actually shooting at each other. then when police were involved to go after the suspect, the suspect started shooting at them. and that's when they shot back. kate? >> sara sidner, thank you so much on the ground there in ferguson. a short time ago the united
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states attorney general tweeted this, we skirt any protest in places, the community as well as the officers that seek to protect it in harm's way. but jeff roorda of the st. louis police officer's association says the justice department actually bears a lot of blame for what happened. listen. >> this is what happens when you plan civil disobedience and you have a justice department that pressures and bullies local police departments from doing their job. this hands-off disengagement approach was never going to work. it was a disaster in baltimore and it was a disaster last night. >> reporter: wesley bell is joining me now, one of two recently elected council members in ferguson. mr. bell, thank you so much for joining me. in your view, what happened overnight? >> i think this is just another tragic reminder that weapons in an already wounded community is
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a recipe for disaster. >> reporter: it sure seems like it. the st. louis county police chief john belmar said those were resorts to violence, they were not the protestors, not e the -- the people who started the violence were criminals, not protestors. what are you learning? >> unfortunately, you have a lot of proat the ti ofprotestors that are peaceful, but you have a certain amount of people using these individuals as cover, unfortunately. and we have seen this play out before. so this isn't new. but i think what we need to focus on, and something i have been talking about is we have to continue to push the narrative and the discussion toward community policing. this young man was known by many in the community as well as law enforcement to be a friend of mike brown's. so instead of a weapon, this young man needed therapy.
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so i would call on social workers and therapists to flood our community with grief counseling. >> reporter: so as you mentioned his name, it's been a year since michael brown's death. since his death you have joined the city council. in your view, are things better one year later? >> well, i think the facts show we have made a lot of progress. we still have a lot of work to do. but there's no denying the progress. >> reporter: where is the progress? >> well, if you look, we have been implementing more community policing. and i would just challenge you to look at the way the officers handles the situation over the weekend as opposed to last year. and i think you can see progress. and one thing i've been encouraged about that i've seen a lot more of is that the community in law enforcement are learning to listen to one another more. and that's -- and again, let me be clear, we have a lot of work to do. we are not there yet, but we are heading in the right direction. >> reporter: that kind of speaks to one of the -- i guess you
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would call it a criticism. the change is not happening fast enough. it's been a year since michael brown's death. you still are seeing clashes with police. you're seeing violence breaking out when it should be peaceful protests and that's what people wanted. what do you say to folks who look to you now and say, the change that they need, the change that ferguson needs and the healing that ferguson needs hasn't happened fast enough? >> reporter: okay, well, we have to be fair about this. if individuals want to do harm to a community, there's not much that law enforcement can do to stop it. but what we have to do is still engage our community and work toward more engagement between law enforcement, between our community, so that we can try to limit these situations. but to try and say that we're going to get so a point where there's absolutely no violence, obviously we know that's not going to happen. but if we move to a community oriented model of policing, we will be able to limit the things
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and this should be the priority. >> reporter: real quickly, how much do you fear the violence overnight is going to reignite those clashes from a year ago and overshadow the peaceful protest and progress you're trying to make? >> i'm confident that they won't. but again, you know, law enforcement is working hard. there's a lot of members in the community that are also working to try and ensure that all our citizens are safe, which is the priority. so again, progress is a work in progress, if you will. but more so, i think we need to focus on bringing more social workers and therapy, because a lot of people are traumatized by these kind of events. we have a lot of young people in the community that are trying to deal with these -- with these situations, and we need to focus on that. >> reporter: well, wesley bell, thank you for your time this morning. we appreciate it. coming up, outrage erupts after a rookie officers shoots
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and kills an unarmed football player. what his family says. and new backlash after donald trump's comments he made toward megyn kelly. a female powerful republican joins me live on why she says it's time for donald trump to go. and breaking news, two women launching an armed attack against the u.s. consulate in istanbul. now a hunt is underway. ore lik. you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin®. because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. zyrtec®. muddle no more™ . the possibility of a flare swas almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid, where to go... and how to deal with my uc.
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down in training. christian taylor is shown moments before being shot and killed after kicking in a windshield at a car dealership in texas. they are looking into why rookie officer brad miller fired shots into taylor and his partner only used a taser against him. >> you know what i mean, you train to take down men with your hands. you have your tasers or clubs and he's unarmed, an 18-year-old, and you shoot the kid? >> ed levendara is following this story for us. it sure seems like a tragedy. >> reporter: the focus is on
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officer 49-year-old brad miller, who despite his edge, was a rookie police officer near the end of his training period. he was the one that fired four shots. we are told by the medical examiner that christian taylor, 19 years old, was hit in the neck, chest and abdomen. the second officer there with him used a taser in this situation. so obviously a great deal of discrepancy what kind of force should have been used in that situation. and that is when arlington police investigators say they are figuring out and getting to the bottom of this. one the officers approached christian taylor inside the car dealership that he had just driven into with a jeep, that christian taylor was told by authorities to lay down on the ground but instead police say he started running away. and then there was some sort of altercation. police can't say or won't say if it was a physical or verbal altercation, but it ended with officer miller firing four shots. so, obviously, investigators say
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that what is crucial in this investigation is the nature of that confrontation, what was going on there, and that's when investigators are focusing on today. kate? >> they want to get to the bottom of it, ed, but that comes with getting the story from the officers involved. i guess they have not been interviewed yet. when will they be? >> reporter: well, they weren't interviewed initially. we are told it is standard procedure to give the officers a couple of days before they give their official statements. we have been told by arlington police today that those statements, official statements will be given to investigators by the end of the day today. so at some point today we know that both of the officers involved in this shooting will be meeting with investigators and giving their version and their account of what happened inside that car dealership. >> i guess so. ed levandara, thank you so much. coming up, donald trump defends backlash for his comments about women and megyn kelly. at the same time, he says carly
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new this morning donald trump says megyn kelly should be apologizing to him, not the other way around. that's after trump made
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controversial comments to don lemon on cnn friday night about kelly. remarks perceived by many as sexist and offensive. listen to what trump said and how he tried to explain it. >> well, you can see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. i was going to say nose and/or ears because that's a very common statement. i went to the wharton school of finance. i have built a tremendous company. who would make a statement like that? only a sick person would think about it. who would say such a thing? if i would have said that, it would be inappropriate. the interesting thing is i really said nothing, because i wanted to stop or get on to jobs or whatever the subject was. the fact was she asked me an inappropriate question and she should be apologizing to me if you want to know the truth. >> there you have it. that's what we've got today. joining me is influential gop activist renee plummer.
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it is said to win new hapshire you have to win over renee plummer. i want to get your upopinion on donald trump. you said he needs to get out of the race. why do you think so? >> well, because people aren't focusing on the agendas. i mean, on the issues. they are focusing on entertainment. i mean, i feel as though donald trump should have taken jon stewart's place if you want entertainment. that was just horrendous. and probably he went home and his daughters probably said, what did you say? i mean, i really would like to hear what his daughters at home would say to him when they got home. they are probably quite embarrassed by the whole thing. >> you heard us play some of the sound from him. he was trying to explain it
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saying he in no way was trying to make a comment implying that megyn kelly was being hormonal. so why not take him at his word at this point? >> no, would you take him at his word at this point? i'm sure once he got off, all the p.r. people around him said, you can't do this. this is not the thing that you say. certainly if you're running for president of the united states. i mean, he's going to be sitting across the table from angela merkel. what is she thinking? what would margaret thatcher thought about this? i know he's very smart and it's great what he's done in new york city and throughout the country and throughout the world with his empire. but, i mean, come on, you have to look at yourself in the mirror and say, i was just an absolute fool in saying that. >> you have met with most of the republican presidential
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candidates. you have sat down with them, you have dinners with them, all of them really wanting to win you over. you also met with donald trump. what was your impression with him? what was your impression of him then? >> he was charming. he came in, my husband and i do the roundtable luncheons, and so there were 60 or 70 business people, what really surprised me was the people that called me because they wanted to be at the table with him. these were finance people. and i was a little surprised. but they wanted to meet him. and he was good. he was gracious. he certainly didn't make any comments like that. i think i would have stepped in. but no, he was -- he was -- it was a great time for everybody. >> as we have been following donald trump's campaign in the early stages, renee, you have seen it as well, he's said other controversial things. despite the controversial
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comments, he continues to rise in the polls. and trump goes to lengths to point that out when anything pops up that seems controversial, in that when people start counting him out, if you will. listen to this morning, the co-chair of women for trump talking to cnn. let's listen to what she says. >> that's an expression of blood spurting out of my eyes. it's something that is common. i didn't think a thing of it. and frankly, blood was spurting out of my eyes. i was pretty furious and upset from what the comments and the questions that megyn had posed. >> despite what he says, despite some of his controversial views, it doesn't seem to matter with voters. what do you make of it? >> well, it doesn't matters with voters. i think people that like donald trump now love him. i mean, his supporters are always going to be his supporters. and when they seek trouble with a candidate, they are really
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going to rally around them. and that happens to all the candidates. you know, i see it with people, people who like hillary clinton, they don't just like her, they love her. and you can say that with a lot of other candidates. and it has happened with donald trump. they absolutely are going to stand behind him. now will the rest of the country? i don't know. >> in the end, do you think -- he's been doing very well in terms of polling in new hampshire. do you think he could really be -- really win the primary? >> you know, funnier things have happened. i think with trump, people want to be him. you know, they want to have that success. so it could happen. and that's why you have to be very careful because he could come out in the top two or three for new hampshire. >> so you're saying be careful what you wish for, renee? >> that's right. that's what it is, yes. >> great to see you.
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great to meet you. thank you so much for coming in. >> thanks, kate. bye-bye. >> of course, bye-bye. coming up for us, here's something you hopefully will never ever see through your windshield. a car blown away by a powerful tornado. we'll have more of this incredible video for you, that's ahead. and also this, outrage grows after an air force contractor is brutally murdered in her own home. the police chief blames immigration and says there's a blood trail all the way from washington, d.c.
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at this hour angry words from a police chief after a woman was beaten with a hammer at the hands of an undocumented immigrant. 64-year-old marlin pharis who worked for the air force as a civilian contractor died from her injuries. victor martinez is the man who was arrested at least four times since 2009. the chief of police blamed policies in washington, d.c. in part for ms. pharis' death. we are joined with the details now with stephanie there in california. >> reporter: this is coming from the police chief in santa barbara county. his name is ralph martin. let's take a listen to what he says, he says this is about the
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policies in place and why this man was free to do this in the first place. take a listen. >> two weeks before this murder, san rafael police officers arrested him for possession of meth. do you know what he had to do? cite him out. that's the problem with the system. this is a national issue. i think it starts in washington, d.c. with this administration that we see and their policies. and i am not remiss to say that from washington, d.c. to sacramento, there's a blood trail into the bedroom of marlin pharis. >> and what is interesting about this case and why this police chief is saying what he's saying, this man has been arrested before. we know this started back in 2009. when you take a look at martinez's tangle with law enforcement, driving without a license. in 2014 there was a felony and assault charge changed to a misdemeanor battery. then he had a drug faparaphernaa charge. five days before this happened
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he was released. because of that, they had to let him go and they didn't receive word from i.c.e. this is a statement that came from i.c.e. about or relating to martinez here. they are saying they were not notified before martinez was released to enable the agency to take custody to pursue possible administration possible immigration enforcement. this shows that mr. martinez was released a week later without i.c.e. requesting notification. a lot of people are asking questions now about whether or not this is an issue about an undocumented person doing this or if this is an issue of how quickly they move to respond to something so that someone cannot do anything so violent. >> it does sound a little bit, at least, similar to that case involving the young woman in san francisco. you'll be sure folks will be looking into seeing the connections there, if this system is broken and how this works, the sanctuary cities as we call them. what is going to happen to this
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guy now? >> reporter: right. santa maria is not a sanctuary city in santa barbara county. we did look into that. but we can say this is first-degree murder. the woman was the one able to make the call herself saying she needed help. but she died five days later. when that happened, it now became a first-degree murder charge. and he has a special occasion of torture as well being included in this charge. that means he would face the death penalty. they are looking for who they believe was his accomplice, a 20-year-old man born in san francisco. if this continues, he could be looking at losing his life because of this very brutal attack against this woman. >> just a horrific situation. stephanie, thank you so much. coming up for us, heavy dun fire erupts in ferguson forcing demonstrators to run for cover. new protests are expected soon. so will we see more violence this afternoon? and more companies are
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gunfire, you hear that right there, triggering chaos on the one-year anniversary of michael brown's death. police are batting rocks, bottles and bullets. a band with a stolen handgun is in critical condition after exchanging gunfire with police. the st. louis police chief expressed his frustration with the violence that broke out. let's listen. >> here's a small group of people out there who are intent on making sure that we don't have peace that prevails. we can't afford to have this kind of violence, not only on a night like this, but at any point in time if we are really going to move forward in the right direction. >> with me now is michael scolneck, a very outspoken voice on what's happening on the
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ground in ferguson. michael, great to see you and amazing you were here. you have been up all night in this and just got to new york. you were in the middle of it, what happened? >> i arrived, i was at a hip-hop concert in st. louis celebrating the commemoration of mike brown's death. and i got to west florison, walked out of my car and it was complete chaos. there was gunshots and people running and cars going 100 miles an hour down the street doing u-turns. as i got closer to where the gunshots were coming from, all the young people were just saying, that they just shot my friend, they just shot my friend. people were in delirium of what happened. >> you sit there and wonder, how is it possible on the one-year anniversary of michael brown's death, peaceful protests turn
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into tear gas, gunfire and someone in critical condition and people arrested in violent clashes breaking out once again in ferguson? >> it was a bad night. it was a bad night. but it was also a beautiful day. i was there in the morning with mike brown's family at this place where he was killed. and there was a dove released at the end of the ceremony. it was so beautiful and peaceful and loving and compassionate. and people, young children, old grandmothers and students all coming together. and last night was bad. and there was a lot of young people, the night before there were gunshots on the same street. i was there that night as well. so there were young people, this violence in this country, not just on this street but across the country where young folks are shooting at each other and hurting each other. >> i had one of the recently elected council members on earlier in the show and said, you can't stop criminals from invading a peaceful protest. is that what you see it as? you can't stop people peacefully
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protesting? >> i think it is challenging to label a set of people or young people as criminals. i think there are young people across this country for decades who have anger inside of them and are reacting to each other. they are hurting each other. and then on top of that the police are hurting them. and we had this weekend, 12 people were killed by police in this country this weekend alone. 714 this year alone. over a thousand since the death of mike brown. and i want to push back a little bit. because you said in the opening that the exchanged gunfire, that's alleged. so we need to -- >> that's what police say. >> i was with the girlfriend of the victim last night. and she's saying a different story. they ran across the street to take cover. so i think until we get all the information, we have to be careful how we paint the young people. >> especially in the early stages when things -- >> especially as we see in this country that police have not always told the truth. >> and ferguson has a bad track record with the department of justice. there are reports that have said a lot and called for changes. that's why i wonder, you have
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been an outspoken voice after michael brown's death, is it getting better in ferguson in what do you think? the council member says it's taking time but putting things in place is getting better. what do you think? >> i saw an effort in police to have a better relationship. i would think the police chief's press conference this morning was a different tone. the release of information was done differently than in it's ppa past. there were mistakes made, we got the young woman in the car, the victim of the car, to get her out of the scene. and the police leadership allowed her to leave. as they left, cops didn't know who she was and pulled her machine guns on her. then they stopped them in the middle of the streets. there needs to be better communication in the moments and at those moments. i think there's a better effort to build a stronger relationship, but we have a long way to go. and it's going to take both
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sides to come to the table and say, look, we have to rebuild trust. we have to have a better conversation. we have to have, you know, better schools, better job trainings, better safety in our streets for our young people. because the anger is so intense. i mean, last night, it was tough. >> you could see it still. great to have your voice here speaking out about it. michael, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up for us, breaking news. an urgent message to u.s. citizens living abroad in istanbul, turkey, after an attack on the consulate there. and incredible video of a car being thrown to the side. it looks like a toy and disappearing after a powerful tornado goes by. details ahead. steady is exciting. only glucerna has carbsteady, clinically proven to help minimize blood sugar spikes. so you stay steady ahead.
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this story, frederik pleitgen is here with the latest. >> reporter: this is the same group that claimed responsibility for the attack on the u.s. embassy in 2013. one turkish security guard was skilled in that incident. now the turkish authorities also say they recovered a rifle, a long-range weapon from where the two women opened fire. and they also recovered considerable amounts of artillery. it is unclear what kind of artillery that is. the u.s. is saying to also not go around the area of the u.s. consulate and to also be careful when being around large gatherings in istanbul and other turkish cities. a lot is going on there at the moment, kate. >> at the very same time, the
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united states just deployed f-16s and hundreds of military personnel to turkey to help in the fight against isis along that syrian/turkey border. is there any connection anyone is making between the deployment and the violence? >> reporter: well, it's not clear at this point but certainly isn't out of the question, kate. one of the things we have seen in the past is that group like the one responsible for the attack on the consulate, they are calling for the people in the middle east and the entire world. so there is animosity among the left-wing groups against the united states. at the same time, look at the turkish security environment as well. turkey aside from the u.s. using that base to launch attacks against isis also ramped up their campaign against isis. and, at the same time, against left-wing kurdish rebels. there have been attacks on turkish soldiers and bomb attacks in turkish cities. so there's a whole security situation
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that turkey is facing and it's not out of the question that the u.s. is ramping up its campaign could play into that. >> you here in syria, you're on the ground there. what are syrians saying about this latest effort from the united states to help in the fight against isis? >> well, you know one of the thing this is t syrian government has been trying to do is get on board in the fight against isis. it has stated in the past it wants bashar al assad to leave power is there is no cooperation between the u.s. and syria. so therefore a lot of people here, i'm in the government-controlled territory in syria. they don't believe these air strikes will make much of a difference. they believe it's the syrian military doing the brunt of the fighting. but, of course, we have to see the syrians have lost a lot of ground to isis in the past. so certainly at least on this front the u.s. and the syrian military and a lot of rebel
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factions have the same enemy in isis. a lot of people here in damascus will tell you they want the u.s. to do more. they want more than air strikes. they would even like boots on the ground. they don't think that the six jets that are going to be flying from that air base will make much of a difference. but they certainly do have a big fear of isis. >> definitely -- it sure seems like there's a big difference between what the syrian people want and what president obama is prepared to offer in terms of the fight against isis on the ground in syria because boots on the ground not on option to this point. fred, gras et eat to see you. thank you. we want to show you this. here is a tornado like you have probably never seen before and would never, ever, want to see in person up close. a driver's dashboard camera was rolling when a twister hit taiwan. you're going to see it sweep away -- you probably saw it, it swept away the white vehicle. then you see that person on the ground, crouching there as the funnel cloud blows over. truly unbelievable. it appears as if that person is
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okay after all of this. we'll show you this video again. the white car completely swept away in this. this reportedly happened in the weekend after a typhoon hit the area. amazing to see and hopefully that person is okay. coming up for us, unlimited parental leave. it sounds like a good benefit in the workplace, right? but not everyone seems to agree. our next guest says one company's move to extend family leave could lead to guilt and resentment. why? just in case you were wondering what cheerios are made of whole. grain. oats. pwhat've we got? 5. bp 64/40 sterilize sites. multiple foreign objects in the body. tweezers. (buzz!) (buzz!) if you're the guy
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a new company joining netflix and microsoft in expanding parental leave. adobe is now offering 26 weeks of maternity leave, 16 weeks of paternity leave. one presidential candidate says that's great -- but that the government should be staying out of the conversation. republican presidential candidate and former ceo of hewlett-packard carly fiorina, she told cnn yesterday that her company offered paid leave for parents but that businesses don't need the government telling them what to do on this front. listen. >> i don't think it's the role of government to dictate to the private sector how to manage their businesses. especially when it's pretty clear that the private sector, like netflix, like the example that you just gave, is doing the right thing. >> let's talk more about this.
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joining me now, kelly wallace, cnn's digital correspondent and slate's l. v. anderson. great to see both of you. l. v., you wrote about this and part of it is something that stuck with me. you said the unlimited leave policy at netflix, that it may not actually be a good idea, a recipe for confused, resentful, and stressed out employees is how you put it. why? >> well, first of all, threat flix's policy offers new moms and dads a year -- potentially up to a year of paid time off after their child is born. which sounds like a really great idea. but in practice, companies that have instituted quote/unquote unlimited vacation time and sick days found that their employees usually take less time off than they would if they had well-defined entitlements to, you know, three weeks off or four weeks off a year.
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they think that's because if it's up to you you're worried about looking like uncommitted to the company, you're worried that you're not actually -- that you're going to be letting down your team if you take that time. is so the fear is with netflix's unlimited parental leave, the same thing will happen, moms and dads will feel guilty about taking the time off so it won't benefit families the way it's intended to. >> but there are a lot of people on the other side who say this is absolutely the right thing to do because the federal government hasn't stepped up. >> and i would say what we need to do is to create the culture where it's okay to take the leave. people are looking at leadership, mark zuckerberg, right? he talked about how he and his wife are going to be having a child, wonderful news. will he go ahead and take the paid paternity leave that facebook offers? so if we see more leaders doing it, if we see more managers do it, if we create a culture where
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it's expected you won't have people saying "i'll look uncommitted if i don't take the leave." >> talk about culture, kelly, why does it seem to be the tech industry that's leading in this? >> part of it is attract the best talent. it's competitive. i feel like everyday we'll hear another tech company offering a more generous paid parental leave. that's great. attract the best people, retain women and men but guess what? a lot of workers don't benefit and that's why we have to see more and fmore companies and wh we need to see the government mandating paid maternity and paternity leave. >> to that point, kelly, it seems like we're seeing a trend in the tech industry all trying to one up each other in terms of the benefit they're offering to parents. with that in mind, you heard carly fiorina talking about it, should this become a bigger issue on the campaign trail? >> that's why she says she doesn't need to do it, because companies are doing the right thing. but i think it's about 12% 130r% of u.s. workers, only about 12% or 13% are getting paid leave. that leaves a lot of workers
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out. and you have the family and medical leave act where you can get 12 weeks of unpaid leave but you have to get do it with companies that have 50 or more employees. >> and have to have been there for a year. >> yes. so more needs to be done. >> and we're the only industrialized nation, as the president points out, without some cash benefit for maternity leave. kelly, great to see you. l. v., thanks so much. >> thank you. and thank you all for joining us at this hour. "legal view" with fredricka whitfield starts right now. all right. whatever he meant by that blood comment, we may not ever know, but one thing is for sure, donald trump is not apologizing. in fact, he says he's the one who deserves an apology. and in texas, an unarmed 19-year-old shot dead by a

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