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>> that's it for the lead today, i'm jake tapper. i'm now turning you over to brianna keeler. happening now, no trump slump. new polls show donald trump leading, jeb bush gaining. the latest controversy's trump has ignited. cities on edge. police using pepper spray on some demonstrators. tonight new questions about why heavily armed civilians are being allowed to walk among the crowds. we'll also talk to an activist who was arrested. unapologet unapologetic, new signs north korea's kim jung-un is ramping
up for a fight. is it all just for attention? i'm brianna keeler, wolf blitzer is off. you're in "the situation room." s his serial controversies are stealing the spotlight in the republican race for the white house, and drawin anger and condemnation for his riv will as. despite the daily uproars, donald trump is igniting, he's the number one pick of voters in two key states. new polls put trump on top, which holds the nation's first primary, and for the first time in iowa, closely watched caucuses make or break a campaign. you're standing by to hear from donald trump. he scheduled a news conference in michigan in about 90 minutes. we're following the unrest in ferguson, missouri, and growing concern about heavily armed members of the organization called the oath keepers who are milling among the crowds. they say they've been hired to protect reporters from a conservative website. recovering all of that and more this hour with our analysts and guests. wen with a the to begin with
dana bash. tell us more about donald trump and he's new polls. >> iowa is the place where donald trump should be most happy today, because it has been scott walker who has topped the polls, and in the past few months, it's really been by a big margin, now, it is donald trump who in this latest poll is winning there, that is despite the controversies out of last week's debate, including -- and maybe mostly the idea that he won't pledge allegiance to the republican party, he talked about that this morning with. take a listen. >> ien watt to run as a republican, i want to be the republican candidate, that's absolutely the best chance for winning, the way it's going right now, i'm being treated very nicely, i want to be treated fairly, if i am treated fairly, it's the way it's going to be. i want to keep that door open. i have to keep that door open. if something happens where i'm not treated fairly, i may use that door. >> brianna, in cleveland where
the debate took place last week. the fact that he didn't promise to run as a republican was going to be the end of his campaign, like many times before, donald trump is defying convention and doing exceedingly well. one other thing i should note in his interview, he talked about the fak the that he is a whiner and says he will whine until he wins. bre? >> you see polls shifting in new hampshire, too. >> new hampshire is another place where the race has been turned on its head a little bit. that is, donald trump is slightly ahead there in a new poll. jeb bush is doing well also, but it is john kasich, the ohio governor who barely announced before last week's debate who really set up shop after he announced in new hampshire. he's doing extraordinarily well, he's number 3, went from almost nothing not even registering in
the polls, to 12%. he's not the only breakout star whose doing better among republican voters. carly fiorina is doing much better in iowa and new hampshire. the hope is that from her campaign, this will propel her to the main stage in next month's debate, which, of course, cnn is hosting. donald trump will be taking questions next hour, that's where we find sara murray. trump is going to be doing some more conventional campaigning in michigan or is this unconventional? >> it's a little unconventional. i would say it's a little more festive than a lot of republican events we've seen. there's a line of people waiting to get in. people are chowing down on popcorn and throwing back bud lights. i think the big thing we're wondering, though, is how donald trump comes out tonight, it will be the first time he's back on the campaign trail, talking to
reporters instead of just doing phone interviews about his dustup with megyn kelly, about his comments about women. as we saw this morning, journalists are pushing him to offer more policy specifics, we're going to be keeping an eye out for any of that in his speech tonight as well. >> do we expect he will lend more policy specifics, it does seem up until this moment, it's really been working for him to not really put meat on the bones here. the interesting thing is, when i talk to his campaign operatives, they say they want to run a professional campaign, and you would think that with that would come policy platforms, policy proposals, so far the campaign will not say when they're going to put these plans out. their candidate is so unpredictable, every time they thought, he's going to pony up some specifics on a plan, he's held back, and we saw that again this morning. it still is an open question. if donald trump is ever going to reveal these policy proposals,
that they're all ready to go. >> sara murray in michigan, we'll be following along with you. thanks so much. i want to get more now with kevin madden. cnn political director david chalian. and dana bash back with us. as well as gloria borger. let's say the republican party, if they look at these polls in iowa and new hampshire, what are theically thi they thinking? >> i think the first thing they're thinking is how is bernie sanders surging against hillary clinton. >> there are numbers that become troubling for the party apparatus that's in charge of making that happen. but i think they are sort of tempered, a lot of their criticism of donald trump is tempered i about the fact that some of these voters are registering support for trump, these are the people that go out and volunteer for phone banks. they're wary about criticizing
donald trump. they expect that donald trump will come down on his own. i think that's a little bit more of a hope being a strategy. >> that's really interesting. both these polls, gloria, they're ultimately good news for trump. the story line in iowa is a little different for him than in new hampshire. he's gone down in new hampshire. what's behind that. >> hope was a pretty good strategy for barack obama. remember that. >> i think new hampshire is a bit of a different story for donald trump, he's still leading in the polls, he's down six points from where he was in late july. and as dana was pointing out earlier, his loss is the gain of john kasich and carly fiorina. both of them had breakout performances at their respective debates. and i think they've taken a little oxygen out of the trump balloon in new hampshire. new hampshire's really different from iowa. couldn't be more different. you can have cross-over voters.
independents can vote in a republican primary, that may be why someone like john kasich may be given a second look or a woman like carly fiorina. trump really doing well, do not understate that, but again there are others in the field in new hampshire and iowa, let me point out one more thing. 20% undecided in this poll in iowa, so there's still a lot of thinking and changing of votes that needs to be done before we get to that caucus. >> i think a lot of observers looked at this kerfuffle between donald trump and megyn kelly, over her question about how he's described certain women. they thought, that is not going to play well with women. well, it's fine, right? tell us about what we're seeing. >> it didn't play well enough with erick erickson, the head of red state's wife, that she convinced him to disinvite him. >> look at this poll. it's split. >> it doesn't matter when it
comes to voters in iowa, he's winning among women. you would think given what happened, he would be completely under water, most women would say, we don't even like him. not so much. >> if only i could make a quick point there. >> polling is a nonevent. it's a process. i expect we'll start to see a trend. he may not be paying a price just yet, but if this continues. then you will see that trend line go down. the other thing that's missing is another campaign has to jump in and start to take advantage of some of these missteps. >> nobody seems willing. >> that has not happened pp. >> in the absence of that, david, do you see donald trump just turning convention on its head? >> listen, he's been doing nothing but turning convention on its head this entire campaign process, we've also been talking about, not just since the debate, but before. donald trump has some sort of ceiling of support. when you're dealing with a candidate field of 17 people.
he could keep a pretty healthy chunk of support for a little while here, it's what kevin is saying about when do we see one of his opponents or the outside groups of his opponents, start going to chip away at that support. >> some are trying. >> sclthey are. you see rand paul coming out against him. jeb bush. >> we don't see it in the advertising yet. >> you will. >> it hasn't been until this point. >> their attack against him will be that he is really not a conservative. they will attack him from the right. they will say, look, he wants -- he said to chris cuomo today, he wants to fund planned parenthood. this is the rand paul line of attack, which i think others will take, he isn't what you think he is. >> you did see scott walker, pretty much for the first time today go after donald trump as somebody who is sort of playing
into the democrats hands. i can tell you, in talking to the scott walker people for a very long time as trump has been doing better and better, they're hoping -- trump who? we're not going to deal with it. >> you can't embarrass trump. he has no shame. you're not going to -- you can't ignore him, right? he's going to get the attention. what you have to do is one of these campaigns, they have to expose him. they have to expose him for being a hypocrite on all of the issues that he's actually tried to hit a nerve with voters on. when they do that, in a broad and sustained way, there will be a benefit to that. >> as you know, when you try to go after him, there may be some spillover effect on a multicandidate race. and secondly, as you said, some of his voters are real base voters. >> those voters -- they're out there about the -- >> look at john kasich. john kasich during the debate, he doesn't hit donald trump. he says quite the open silt, he says, look, there's something
real going on here, and we're seeing that he's surging in the polls. >> and jake tapper this weekend really pressed kasich very hard following up on the debate about donald trump, about women. his answer to me was fascinating. he talked all about how he supports women, how he hires women, how women make things better in his administration and his life. he's not going to deal with donald trump. maybe, because everything -- convention is out the window. maybe the idea of going after him personally, which is the way you generally do well politically, doesn't work. >> you know, to follow up on dana's point. you have to kind of navigate this carefully, because while you want to distance yourself from donald trump, you don't want to distance yourself from his supporters, who one day you hope will be your supporters. i think ted cruz has done that in a -- the least elegant way, i think that kasich in a way has
done that in the most elegant way. kasich has said, you have to understand what these supporters are feeling and why they support donald trump. i get that, they don't like politics. they don't like washington. he's trying to walk a fine line, he feels maybe one day he could get some of them. let's talk about carly fiorina, one of the other big story lines we're seeing. she did well at the kiddie table, first debate we saw. kevin, what do you think about this. 93% of people who watch the debate said they think fiorina should be in the top tier in the next debate. >> look, she had an extraordinary performance, and i think a lot of the reasons that she had a -- she was the consensus winner of the debate, she showed probably the most backbone up there. she showed the most policy chops, that's going to be rewarded. it will be interesting to see in the next debate, whether or not she can begin to draw that contrast with donald trump, the
way some of these candidates. >> how does she, on the issue of gender and the issue of specifics. what will that mean to donald trump? >> as kevin's describing, it could be a strong contrast on both koun can thes. she loves to draw the contrast with hillary clinton more acutely than many of her opponents have been doing. >> she's being rewarded for voters are did. >> she's top five in iowa and new hampshire. i'm sure nationally, we're going to see her go up too. she may make her way on that main debate. >> we will leave you there, thank you so much. next, pepper spray used on protesters and growing concern about heavily armed civilians, we'll go live to ferguson, missouri for the latest on the unrest.
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>> ferguson's main streets overnight. the protesters began throwing objects and all 85 people were arrested yesterday. a closer look shows that only 63 of those arrested are missour residents. 22 others came from out of state. i want to get more from sara sidner. sara? >> we just got new video in from the sane the louis police department. they say it shows clearly that tyrone harris, the person who ended up being shot and killed -- shot and injured by police did indeed have a gun as all of this was going on on overnight sunday night into monday morning. i want to get to that video now. you take a look at that video, it's taken by a business that is there on the side of the road where a lot of folks were hanging out away from the main protests, down the street a few hundred yards, if you look, you'll see people scatter and then suddenly, you will see someone run up and very quickly flash a gun as they're running toward where the shooting is am
couldi incoming from. you can see a person running with a gun running toward where the shooting is from. the video is in black and white. if it was in p color, if you take a look at what he has on on and then you look at the person who we also have video of that has on red pants and a white t-shirt, that they have determined that is the same person that police say fired upon them, after the initial shooting happened. and that police fire back, striking him several times, he's still in critical condition in the hospital. that's the latest in that particular part of the case. and you were mentioning, there was plenty that went on overnight last night. nothing like we saw the night before. we did see on the highway there was a civil disobedience everyone expected. they were going to do certain things in the city. we expected the highways would be one thing that was targeted. they did go on to the highways
targeting those. police made a lot of the arrests there, there have been about 85 arrests in the past 24 hours. >> we do want to bring back that surveillance video, so we can watch it, sara. we'll see the shot of tyrone harris, you can see there he is running off to the left. this is who police have identified. can you tell us who -- not who, but can you tell us how people in the community, protesters, how initially they were responding to tyrone harris' arrest to the fact that he was shot, his parents or his father cast doubt on whether or not he actually had a gun? how were protesters responding to that? >> his father said he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, he had been in some trouble in the past, but that he was, you know his life was moving forward and he was becoming a better man. we heard from his aunt who said she did not believe she was in
anyway involved in any shooting. if you look on his facebook page, which we took a look at. before it was taken down, there are some statements on there, and there are some pictures that appear to be him holding lots of different guns as well as a statement that he was going to be on west fluorescent where he ended up being shot, the very night in this which he was shot by police. police being adamant he shot first at police. there are bullet holes in two cruisers that were unmarked. police saying, look, we had to take care of ourselves. he with had to take care of the people out there, they've also said they were not part of the protests, the protests were separate, up the road quite a bit, a couple hundred yards and this was not protesters, but in police's words, criminals. >> sara sidner for us, stand by. we have a guest coming up, an organizer of the ferguson protests, the peaceful protest arrested yesterday, he's now out of jail, and he will talk to us after a quick break. where.
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department just released surveillance video of the officer involved shooting of tyrone harris. the teenager who was shot sunday night who remains hospitalized in critical condition. you watch people scatter, you can see they're in that circle, a man who will then run to the left carrying what you can see appears to be a gun in that silhouette. joining us now is one of the organizers of the peaceful protests in ferguson. we're seeing new video, i know you've tried to look at this on your iphone there, it shows tyrone harris, the gunman who allegedly shot at police sunday night. what is your reaction to this shooting as we're getting more information. >> i want to be clear, i've seen the video less than two minutes ago. i have more questions than answers. what i did see, i saw someone who had a gun. i'm reminded i saw the oath keepers who had guns, the police
officer's response to them was totally different. i'm interested in earn willing about the police's response to white men who are armed with rifles last night, and their response, and how it differed to the person that we seem to see in the video. >> okay, and i definitely want to talk to you about the oath keepers, i know that's something that has concerned you. i want to look at video of oath keepers we see here. they are armed, they come on scene to protect local homes and businesses from protesters. what does it mean to have them on the streets when tensions are high. >> they epitomize racially motivated vigilantes in the spirit of zimmerman. it's not their property, not their homes they are planning to protect. they are literally and explicitly saying they are going to protect property from black people, and that is their goal. it is this idea that blackness has been weaponized. the mere presence of black bodies, there must be some
militarized intervention, and these are by vigilantes. >> when you see the video that you just recently saw, this is new video of a person who police say is tyrone harris, and you see someone running with a gun, do you doubt police -- do you doubt their story that they were being shot at? what are really the issues that you have knowing that there is this video that appears to have someone with a gun? >> i'm just trying to be clear about what i see. what i see is a gun, and i see someone with it. what i don't see is what you just said, i don't see a shooting. i think about seeing someone with a gun in that space. i saw white men with guns last night, as well. and the police response to them was wholly different. i have not seen it, you have not seen a shooting, and neither have i. what you have is the words of the police who said they were essentially in fear of their life, which is why they shot someone. that is not what you saw in that
film and that is not what i saw. >> we have other videos of what appears to be the shooting from a different perspective, but i want to move on and talk to you about what you went through yesterday. you were arrested. you were in front of the courthouse, and this was a peaceful protest. we have video of this happening. and it seems to be that you were charged with what, blocking the use of an entrance, right? >> it was unusual obstruction to a lawful entrance i believe. my partner neta, she was filming the police, and she started to get arrested, i went over to challenge her arrest or question her arrest. i was subsequently arrested. >> and just your reaction to that, because this did appear to be a peaceful protest. >> yes, it's a reminder that the presence of black bodies has
become a threat to the state. there were 50peoplearrested for blocking the entrance to the doj. the interest of the doj are was closed by the doj themselves. it reminds me of being out last night, where you saw the police arrest people for standing in the street, a street that had been closed by them. it's a provocation, a different way the police provoke people. again, the protest yesterday was about confronting the doj about their role in the larger movement. and specifically about the consent decree here. the city council is distancing themselves from, and is not complying fully so far. >> thanks so much. appreciate you speaking with us from ferguson, there were four white men who were seen patrolling ferguson's street last night, they were carrying military style rifles and sidearms, they're members of a group called oath keepers which the southern poverty law center describes as an anti-government group. they describe themselves as a
group of former law enforcement and military who are helping make sure that -- to protect the constitution, and joining me now on the phone to talk about this is the state director of the missouri oath keepers, what's your mission in ferguson, john. tell us why these men? >> first i want to correct john, just a point of contact, i'm a member of oath keepers. i've been tasked with being able to visit with the media. but i'm not the state or national leader, i'm a member of the group. >> okay, okay. you tell us, if you could answer my question about that, what is the purpose here, why are these men in ferguson? >> why are oath keepers presently back in ferguson? >> yes. >> we were here back in -- last november when they came out, the
first night, we allowed the authorities do what they said they were going to do, which is protect people and property. sit down under the direction of doj, people got hurt. property was destroyed. agitators from outside the area had come in. but we were here to protect folks. >> who specifically, they said they were protecting reporters. >> last night. we were protecting reporters from infowars.com. >> okay, which i believe is a conservative outlet. police ordered members of the oath keepers who took two roofs in november to leave, because they were operating security without a license. why does it seem like -- >> that's a falsehood. that had to do -- the terminology had to do with paid personnel, and we were not paid, we were volunteers, we were there at the behest of the shop
owners. >> okay. >> do you see some of the concerns -- you did hear what we just heard from one of the protesters. obviously, a lot of folks there, and this includes the police chief, i should say. feel like this ratchets up what's already a really tense situation. what do you say to that? >> i say that's a patented lie. when we came in last night, we walked over to where the officers were, we made ourselves known. they said, please don't walk-through our midst, we said, not a problem, we'll stay over here with the reporters near the you can swas, outside of that, we have a calming presence in in the crowd, they remember us from last year there was hugs and high fives going around like that happened last year. >> would you feel comfortable if you saw people armed? >> people are protesting or
throwing objects and shooting at the police officers, to see a group of them walking, of course that would invite problems. >> john caraman, with the oath keepers. thanks for joining us. new fears that north korea may be dramatically increasing the country's capacity to produce nuclear bombs. we're also standing by to bring you donald trump's questi question-and-answer session with reporters. what will trump say about the latest polls. that's that new gear feeling. this week, filler paper and folders just one cent. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great.
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running for president. that would be to close the detention facility at guantanamo bay in cuba. >> key challenge here has been where do you put these detainees once they're released on u.s. soil. civilian prisons, off the table. the pentagon considering military installations, including the naval bringing at joint base charleston, in south carolina. another question for defense secretaries, their fear that if they release detainees, they will return to the fight and many have. >>. >> when the u.s. man bergdahl was captured, that led to the promise to close the detention facility. >> im00 going to do everything i can to close it. >> the white house would share a
date with congress before the recess. that has passed. >> we're working to safely close the detention facility at guantanamo bay. we've made a plan to share that with congress. >> of the 647 detainees released from gitmo since january, 116 have returned to the fight. further, 69 are suspected of returning. >> these numbers have led defense secretaries to be reluctant to sign off on releases. former defense secretary chuck hagel told barbara star, he resisted pressure from the white house. >> not everyone at the white house has agreed with how i handled some of this. i have made it clear that i will not certify signing anything to release a detainee as long as i'm secretary of defense, unless i am convinced that it is in the best interest of this country about. >> a senior official tells cnn
the team is working together to fulfill his pledge. >> i'm honored by his trust. >> ashe carter was compelled to make his own pledge. >> i would ask you to tell us and to make a commitment to this committee that you will not succumb to any pressure by this administration to increase the pace of transfers from guantanamo, will you commit to that? >> absolutely. >> further complicating the closure plan is figuring out where to send detainees that are not released. yemen is in a state of collapse. congress has forbidden the creation of a new facility on u.s. soil or using civilian prisons. >> so the pentagon is considered military facilities. >> we're working now on a proposal that will make congress -- that would allow those people who cannot be
released to be placed in a facility in the united states rather than guantanamo bay. and then we can close guantanamo bay. >> secretary carter was asked if he is confident he will be success reaching this plan to close guantanamo bay. he's not confident, he's hopeful, not exactly a ringing thanks so much. i want to bring in cnn national security analyst. he's been following this. you can explain to us as i know you believe they are. that some of these people who would be release cod really put u.s. citizens at risk. >> well, we have to get back into a quick bit of history. under the bush administration there were a lot of releases and the government has said there's a 30% recidivism rate. >> they go back to the field. >> under obama, there are about 50 people being cleared for release. a number of them are from yemen. yemen is not a place we want to
send them back to. i think the recidivism rate in the last several years has gone down significantly. they're much less of a risk than when we were releasing hundreds and hundreds without due diligence. >> when you look at the process here, is the defense secretary really holding this up? it is his word, right? >> i think he has to sign off. apparently he is not moving very fast on this. >> all right. peter bergen, thanks so much. we are following this troubling new signs that north korea may be moving aggressively to and panel the nuclear arsenal, at the same time, taking aggressive action against arch rival south korea. brian, what are you finding out? >> tonight, kim jong-un is moving on two fronts. he has targeted people outside his own country and u.s. officials are telling us, they are very concerned about his nuclear program. that comes as new analysis shows kim may be doubling down on his
bomb making capacity. >> it may seem benign but this could signify a major upgrade at the main nuclear facility. about 50 miles north o pyongyang. based on these pictures from earlier this year, the defense analyst said they are saying tonight, kim jong-un's regime has started operating a second large hall of centrifuges there. >> experts say they could be toward civilian nuclear energy. but could also be used to enrich uranium for more nuclear bombs. u.s. intelligence officials say sim is building his arsenal at a dangerous rate. according to weapons experts, he may have 10 to 15 bombs right now. possibly 15 to 100 by the end of the 2020. kim is being more aggressive on the ground. tonight, south korea vows
retaliation for land mine blasts that wounded two of the soldiers. each had to have parts of their legs amputated. it happened last week along the western sector of the demilitarized zone. the u.s.-led u.n. command says north korean troops had to have crossed the demarkation line recently and planted the mines. it is not just south korean troops who patrol that had area. >> there could be americans killed by these systems. if that happen, the united states would be pressing for a more kinetic response. >> analysts say there are hundreds if not thousands along the dmz. kim jong-un has purged and executed dozens of top officials in his own regime but this is believe to be the first time he's targeted anyone outside his country since he took power in 2011. why is he lashing out now? >> the young general kim jong-un is extraordinarily frustrated that he is not getting his way.
too many senior officials in the military and in the party are not showing adequate respect. now, it may be that they are showing respect but they're afraid to tell the emperor he has no clothes. >> meaning they don't want to tell him that his goal of achieving nuclear and economic success, a program isn't moving fast enough for his liking. how will south korea retaliate for the land mine blasts? south korean officials say for the first time in a decade, they'll resume psychological warfare across the border, sending messages over loud speakers to troops saying their leader is doing a bad job and there is a much better world outside. >> these loud speakers where the sound travels several miles. you would expect north korea to respond back, right? >> that's right. all but certain to infuriate kim jong-un. in the past, north korea has threatened to destroy loud speakers that the south koreans have set up.
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start attack isis at any time. trump talks. we are standing by for a live question and answer session with the republican presidential front-runner. he is leading in two new polls. but is there a reason for him to feel threatened? and a shooting incident that help spark new unrest in ferguson, missouri. will there be more clashes on the streets tonight? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is off. you're in "the situation room." >> this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news tonight. police just released surveillance video from the night new violence broke out in ferguson, missouri. it appears to show a person with a gun before he was shot by an officer.
stand by for more. also this hour, we're waiting to hear from donald trump in a live news conference from the campaign trail. he is likely to face questions about two new polls. they show he is leading the republican pack in both iowa and new hampshire. the first presidential battle ground states of 2016. plus another developing story. a young mississippi couple, accused of planning to honeymoon as a cover for traveling overseas to join isis. we have correspondents, analysts and news makers standing by as we cover all on the news. first, to our justice correspondent with the latest on this isis related arrest. >> this is a young newly wed couple from mississippi who allegedly used their honeymoon as a cover-up to go to syria and join isis before being arrested at the airport on saturday. the man is the 22-year-old and his wife, 21. they first caught the attention
of the fbi in may after making several statements in support of isis on social media. from there they began corresponding with journal cover fbi agents. now, according tonight explain, from the outside, this was a seemingly normal couple. young is the daughter of a vicksburg police officer who was studying chemistry at mississippi state university. she recently converted to islam. her husband graduated last spring with a psychology degree and is the son of a local imam. in one conversation, young allegedly boasted about how the two could help isis saying i am skilled in math and chemistry and worked at an analytical lab. my partner is very good with computer science and media. we learn very fast and would love to help. in july she said on social media, she supported the shoot in chattanooga, tennessee that killed four marines.
the two appeared in court today in mississippi and were denied bail. how were they caught? >> they were caught because the fbi first noticed their social media postings in may. and then began interacting with them in an undercover capacity online. for months this was happening. as the couple began trying to get their passports and then showed up at the airport on saturday, allegedly to board their flight from columbus, mississippi on, to turkey. that is when the fbi stepped in and made those arrests. >> and there was yet another person arrested in new jersey. he had ties to other arrests in the new york area, right? >> that's right. authorities arrested a former new jersey resident for conspireing with five others in new jersey and new york to provide services and personnel to isis. the other five including his brother were arrested in june. you may remember this group in the new york area. federal authorities say saadeh left the company and made to join isis and was later arrested
in jordan. authorities say his computer files have a lot of evidence that he showed, you know, his desire to form a small army with friends and he hated the u.s. and posted images on social media. he had just the latest in isis-related arrests just this year. >> all right. thanks so much for that report. tonight the united states is set to launch new air strikes against isis it is a struggles to overcome an embarrassing setback in the fight against the terrorists. our pentagon correspondent barbara starr has more. >> reporter: good evening. the pentagon likes to say air strikes again will not defeat isis. tonight, a new round of air strikes, a new group of targets expected in the coming hours. american f-16s at any time could begin striking isis from their basein turkey. isis forces just moved in at the
border after al qaeda left. strikes will try to pave the way for putting u.s. trained moderate rebels back into syria after the unit was decimated in an attack. >> this has been a difficult process. to vet these people, to train them, to get them back into a very fluid dynamic situation. >> reporter: the penn trying to figure out how to salvage the training effort. more than 70 additional rebels may finish their training in the next few weeks. >> we need on find a group willing to be our boots on the ground. and the ones we've chosen right now are not it. >> reporter: defense secretary ash carter moving beyond just working with the rebels. >> there are other capable ground forces, fighting, both the regime and isil. i gave the example of the syrian kurds. we would like to see more. >> reporter: the initial strikes could be aimed at targets in
iraq. isis on a new rampage in mosul were up to 300 civil servants may have been killed in recent days. the u.s. had credible intelligence, a mass killing was being planned. but no way to stop it, a u.s. official tells cnn. isis also still massing forces around the oil refinery. but the u.s. taking extra steps to keep air force pilots safe. when bombing runs are made out of turkey, the u.s. wants to send up stand by helicopter rescue forces from the second base in turkey in case a pilot goes down. right now they would have to come from further away in erbil in iraq. why this is all so important is because according to the intelligence community, isis is bringing new fight enters into syria and iraq at the same rate
that the u.s. can kill them. >> barbara starr at the pentagon. let's talk now about this, a little more about this war against isis overseas and at home with senator james risch, a leading members of the intelligence committee. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> can you shed any more light on these three reason isis arrests? this couple from a small mississippi town and this new jersey man? >> well, i think probably the best way to look at this is to step back and look at the overall picture. there is been well over 50 arrests made this year. in 2015 following into generally two different categories. these arrests by the fbi. someone a category of people who have been at the very least, inspired by isis and have taken steps toward an attack right here in the united states. on the, in the other camp are people who have either offered
assistance to isis or in fact have planned and actually moved toward going to the middle east to fight with isis. which of course, the newest couple from mississippi fall into. but this is going on right now. we've got a robust program here in the united states to uncover these. and the fbi has been very good, very diligent and very successful this year in both categories. >> do you worry that this, the second category you mentioned, someone who has been inspired and wants to provide support and maybe travel overseas, do you worry this is the new face of the radicalized individual and u.s. former homecoming princess and a soon to be grad student? >> i think that there is no question that the people you're going to see may be very, very ordinary people. as these two are. they're very young. one was just out of her teens. the other was 22.
young people a lot of times do really stupid things. and this certainly falls in that category. americans, whether they're young, old, whatever, who are duped by what isis is offering as solutions to world problems or satisfaction for internal peace that a person might have. anybody who swallows that stuff is way out there and not very smart. >> part of this was easy to track. you're talking about this young woman who posted on social media. it's public. what do you do if it's not public? if someone doesn't put it on social media, how do you find them? >> we don't talk about the various programs we have publicly for obvious reasons. there are ways and means. and the most important thing is that most of the people who do get involved in this are very proud of it and glad to tell
their friends. and glad to tell the world as to what they're doing. most of it fall into that category. there are people who you don't hear anything from. and then you've got to use other ways and means to root those out. >> all right. senator risch, stand by. i have many more questions for you after the break. we're trying to figure out where an entire squad went. this allergy season,
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we are waiting for donald trump's campaign event in michigan. right now, let's turn back to senator james risch, a top member of the foreign relations and intelligence committees. we are talking about successes and failures in the war against isis as the u.s. pre fires launch new air strikes from turkey. and we understand, senator risch, that this entire group of about 60 u.s. trained syrian rebels, the first class of its kind, have scattered the ones not captured. how did the u.s. lose track of all of them? >> when this started out, there were a lot of us had that serious reservations about that. it is so complicated there. which groups are fighting which. and what they did is they wanted to pick out or identify the so-called moderate syrians that they could use to fight isis.
the difficulty is that most of the syrians don't want to fight isis nearly as much as they want to fight assad. the regime in power there. so you train them up and give them guns. they're ready to fight assad. they're not that excited about fighting isis. and look, this is a complex group of people who are separated into religious sects. and ethnic groups and combinations of both of those and a lot of them over the years have fought each other. so it is really, really difficult. look, there is a group there that we've been preaching the administration forever. look. let's get tied tonight kurds. they've been our friends, they've taken really good care of us, they fight alongside of us. these guys win. they're really good fighters. and they've proven themselves
over and over again. the administration feels that anything they do with the kurds in iraq, they have to go through baghdad which to me is absolute nonsense. then of course you have the political problems in turkey because the turks are very squeamish about the kurds and the kurds getting power. >> to say it lightly. >> the kurds have done really good things on the border all along turkey. you've heard the discussion about the safe zone they're trying to set up. that is what has again catalyst for these f-16s moving into turkey. >> and i want to ask you about that. are you concerned that basing bombers in turkey, this is a relatively new announcement here, that this could elevate security risks for americans in turkey? >> no question about that.
even more so be elevates the security concerns for the turkish government themselves. they now that they are being much more aggressive or positive about actually engaging, they're going to wind up being a target themselves. and they, undoubtbly they understand that. they feel risks are worth it because of the issues. >> i want to switch topics and ask you something else that we've just found out. flagments of a suspected missile system have been part of the mh 17 crash site. the long held belief by the u.s. government and claims that this was russian separatists using russians. knowing what we've now, what has been discovered, what do you have to say? what is the u.s. government's
position? >> well, i'm certainly not the one to state that u.s. government's position at this time. but there is really so little known about the fact that's u.s. just rolled out here. that before we jump to conclusions on those, i think we need more analysis before we use that as a point to make a point. >> meaning what you want there to be u.s. analysis of this? >> well, u.s. analysis certainly. not necessarily physical. but at least some in depth conversations with those who have, who are closer to the facts, to those facts. >> all right. senator risch, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. just ahead, donald trump's campaign event. what is he going to say tonight about new polls and his rivals? i'm sure he'll have something to say about it. and surveillance photos
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apparently with a gun before he was shot and wounded by an officer. i want to get more from cnn's report he. sarah? >> reporter: police have said that tyrone harris shot at them before he was shot at and hit. his family told us initially that he was not armed. they believe it was a case of mistaken identity. let me see, let's see this video. this is from the area, about few hundred yards from where the protests were. you can see everyone scattered when the initial gunshots went off. it was a fight between two separate groups fighting over something. then you see someone who appears to have a gun. it looks very much like a gun. it seems like he's pointing it down on the ground and running toward where the gunfire was happening. we're getting this video. the police saying the person with the gun is indeed tyrone harris. the person who ended up being
shot by police after police say he shot at them. they have two cars hit by gunfire. the police aren't the only ones saying that he was armed. the family is saying he was not armed and there at the time but we have other people who say they do believe he was armed. >> pepper spray flies after police tell protesters to get out of the street that has become synonymous with civil unrest. erupting again one night after protesters and police. the night after the barrage of gun fire and two stores were looted, there were some new guests. they say it is journalists were attacked and beaten after witnessing looting.
he is wearing a black hat. we snapped moments of the way he went to police. his face bloodied. the controversial oath keepers, their armed presence a sore spot with protesters who say they are unarmed but getting much of the police attention. though missouri's gun laws allowed people to openly carry if their guns are legally obtained. the night before, we witnessed a store owner who armed himself, protecting his store which had been looted in the past. meantime, police have made at least 85 arrests in 24 hours, as planned civil disover beadence took place in and around ferguson. highways and stopping traffic. causing one driver to step on the gas. protesters plan on more action to remember tyrone harris, police say he was shot early monday after shooting at police down the street from the protest line. tyrone harris' father says his son did not shoot at police. >> from what i heard, he was there with some friends.
the friends had a confrontation and they started shooting at the friend and he happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. >> reporter: but a young man who says he knows harris and was on the scene said harris was arm and did fire back at police. >> tyrone was right next to me. he was shooting back at them. he had a gun. >> reporter: police are saying he shot at us so we shot back. is that what happened? >> yeah. he shot him six time in the stomach. and put him in handle cuffs. >> reporter: we took a close look at video of a man with a gun. you can see he has on red pants. so did harris. his red pants shone here after he was shot by police. and the surveillance video again, police just released that we have on now. police say it indeed is tyrone harris holding that gun. the police say that is the same person who fired at them and they fired back.
>> be in ferguson, thank you for that report. it really breaks down a lot of what we're talking about. phillip is a former top official with the police department. we have tom fuentes, a former fbi assistant director. also with us, cnn anchor don lemon and community activist john gaskin in ferguson. phil, let's take another look at the video. police say that it shows tyrone harris, the man that they charged in sunday's shooting in ferguson. right there as we're zooming in. grabbing a gun out of his waist band. we've seen this now in sarah's report from different angles, and it does appear, while back and white, to be harris. in other angles is wearing those distinctive red pants. what's your analysis? >> you know, the investigation will determine in fact if that young man had a weapon.
if he was firing at the officer or not. it certainly looks like it was and it looks, just preliminary, the officers had just justifica. there are times local law enforcement makes mistakes and they have to be held accountable. there are times, you have some young men and young women who present very chaotic, dangerous, live threatening situations. for not only the officers but for the people in the community. and the police department has to take action here. we need to look at the big picture. do a thorough investigation. get through overall process and see from there. >> what's your analysis of the different angles of the video? >> i think the verification that he was out there with a gun and the kid that talked on sarah saying he was shooting the gun and shooting it at police. i think that's ample evidence that was going on. when the police are in a shoot out and return fire and the person ends up with bullets on
the ground, that's kind of evidentiary that it mufbl him shooting at the police. when they shot back, they shot him. we commented before, i commented before that people even seeing the video might not necessarily believe it. even if it was clearly in the video. and now you have that. >> tell us what the community is feeling about this shooting. some people are very upset about it them don't feel it was justified. >> i've talked to a number of folks -- >> john, if you can go ahead and comment on that. >> sure. i've talked to a number of people and many don't believe that is the person they're referencing. but this movement is not about violence. it is a peaceful movement. we learned that from dr. king. my advice to many folks is don't bring weapons to the protest. don't have them with you.
if you were fearful of your life, you shouldn't be out there protesting. i was out there last night. thing remained relatively peaceful. folks bringing weapons with them should remain at home and should not, obviously should not put themselves in the position to have weapons with them. because not only does it put law enforcement's lives at risk. it puts the other peaceful protesters at risk as well. >> we were talking, we were talking about this video, oath keepers. heavily armed individuals who were walking around. did you ever see these folks? you were there quite a while covering this story. and what do you make of them being there last night? >> i've been there so many times. and i don't remember them actively being on the ground when i was there. they very well could have been there. there were lots of different scenes, lots of different places where there were altercations.
the crowds were very big at some point so i don't remember them being on the ground. i remember, remember when the officer pushed me? that officer was a member of oath keepers and some of his comments at an oath keepers' convention got him into trouble and then ultimately got him kicked off, at least suspended at that time from the police department. >> i believe he spoke to the oath keepers. they disavowed him being a member, the oath keepers did. but yes. he had spoken with them. >> but as far as him being out there. the video that i've seen of them being out there. they're interacting with the protesters saying i'm on your side or whatever you. i don't like seeing weapons open like that unless police officers are carrying them. that's our second amendment. that's what the laws say in missouri. that you can carry weapon as long as it is licensed. the problem is it is not lnled guns and people using them
properly, it is people not using them properly. people shooting at the crowds. people shoe. who should not be carrying guns. whether or not the oath keepers should be there, i would rather not see guns, i would rather not see violence. remember. the security that we have when we're there, our security guards many times are armed. and they are not necessarily police officers or members of police departments who work for the st. louis or ferguson police department. so it is within their rights but i would rather not see it. >> let me ask phil. you have the chief of police saying they don't want these folks there. obviously, they worry that this will get something going that they don't want to see. >> i can't imagine any police chief wanting to have the oath keepers or any similar time of organization out there with visible guns out there. you have a very tenuous
situation, you need everybody to remain cool. i see it as this recipe for disaster. i'm not really sure what the purpose is. i'm not sure what the good of them is and as a law enforcement person, i don't see how they help this situation. >>, thank you, guys. and be sure to watch cnn tonight with don lemon at 10:00 p.m. eastern. we are standing by for donald trump's campaign event. new polls show that he has taken the lead in iowa despite his latest controversies. plus, millions of gallons of toxic waste water. heavy metals in that metal turning a pristine river orange now. new tests reveal the potential danger to people. it's a fact. kind of like shopping hungry equals overshopping.
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donald trump is preparing to go in front of the microphones again, right there. we are waiting for him. live pictures coming to you. he is scheduled to speak soon on the campaign trail. and there is plenty for reporters to ask him about including two new post debate polls and his admission that as he whiner and proud of it. whining to win, right? >> why not? as good a strategy as any.
in iowa, 55% of people who watched last week's debate said they were less comfortable with donald trump as a candidate and it isn't stopping him still from topping a new poll there. in the first contest state of iowa, donald trump is leading for the first time, according to a new suffolk university poll. edging out wisconsin governor scott walk here spent months treading lightly and is now taking the gloves off. >> donald trump is using the sail old talking points as the democrats. they didn't work in the past and they won't work in iowa. >> trump's rice as he says he won't rule out running as an independent. >> i have to keep that door open. if something happens where i'm not treat fairly, i may well use that door. >> and he is defying convention once again. admitting to and owning to being a whiner. >> i am a whiner. i keep whining and whining until
i win. >> trump is trying to redeem himself after the feud with megyn kelly. >> i cherish women. i will work hard to protect women. >> the new iowa poll shows that despite the comments about women, trump is at 14%, winning with female voters in the first caucus state. this gop opponent isn't buying it. >> vulgarity does not equate with insight. someone can stand up and say you're stupid and ugly does not equate with a vision for the country. >> trump's lead has narrowed in the first primary state of new hampshire. on the upswing, two breakout stars from last week. >> we keep plugging. we're the little engine that can. >> john kasich catapulted from barely registering to third place. conservative voters in the live free or die state not turned off by comments about same-sex marriage. >> i just went to a wedding of a friend of mine who happens to be
gay. >> and carly fiorina who couldn't even get on the main debate stage last week, moving up in iowa and new hampshire. >> the people not doing well are as much of the story as those who are. chris christie is basically living in new hampshire. he is only at 3% in the new poll there. and rick perry is struggling so much. he had to tell all of his staff that they were going to have to work without any pay. and then there's jeb bush who is now seventh in eye watch he never expected to win but seventh is not so great. >> all right. stand by. we want to go to political reporter sarah murray on the ground in michigan where donald trump is scheduled to speak any moment. what are reporters expecting? sarah? >> reporter: we're here at the expo center. donald trump is running a little late but we're still expecting him to take reporter questions. i'm sure there will be a lot asked about his feud with megyn kelly and what he will do to make up some ground with women voters. whether he thinks that will hurt
him. we're pressing him about policy specifics and asking if it is finally time to go into detail. trade or tax plans or immigration. here at the expo central, his supporters are being pretty patient in their waiting game for trump. drinking some beer, chowing down on popcorn. a couple of them have. . it is time for him to offer some specifics. >> is he going to? any sign whether or not he is going to? >> reporter: this is the big question. over the last week or so, campaign aides have been saying, look. the policy papers are done. we're ready. we can start offering specifics. and donald trump is still holding back. when he was on new day this morning with chris cuomo, he sort of grilled him on his different plans and emthey're ready to go. i'm just not toward release them yet. so it will be interesting if he will give us a few more details on these plans. >> sara murray in michigan.
let's talk more about donald trump and these new polls. big number. and the state of the republican presidential race. we have our chief political analyst gloria borger here along with dana bash, cnn political contributor, and cnn analyst ron brownstein. the editorial director of the "washington journal." so you have two pretty good headlines. you look at the polls. iowa, new hampshire. republicans look at this and they say, what? >> oy! >> that's a good technical term. >> the word for this is oy. i think republicans waiting for donald trump's supporters to say, all right. he just went too far. we're pulling out. are going to be waiting a long time. they don't seem to be interested much in his policy specifics. in his credentials. you have to remember that
conservative voters feel burned. they feel like in 2008, and 2012 the establishment told them, here's the electable guy. here's who you have to vote for. what do they have to show for it? nothing. they didn't get a republican in the white house. and they didn't get satisfaction of voting for their principle guy. so this time they're saying, you know what? winnable or not, electable or not, donald trump, we're sticking just to show the establishment. we're not with you. we're not listening to you again. >> that's really interesting. and donald trump is so unconventional. we look at where he is. he is in the key early primary state. oh, wait, it's not. michigan. what is the point here? >> it is kind of a light blue state maybe? i think he got invited by two republican organizations. county republican organizations. it is free media. he knows wherever he'll go, he will get press. and it is a republican group at least.
let me just add to what she was saying about donald trump. i think we use this phrase "disruption" a lot when it comes to the tech world. i think donald trump wants, i think his followers want to disrupt politics as usual in the republican party. they're alienated. they don't care if some people think he is an imposter. what they are saying is stop and listen to us. we're sick of you guys. you're not winners. you're losers as donald trump might say. while we don't agree him on everything and maybe some of us thought what he said about women is terrible, this kind of breaks wide open in public view the differences within the republican party about how to proceed to win the presidency. and these base voters are saying before we get will, you have to pay attention. and this is a good way of getting that message across.
>> it seems like his entire strategy is, earned media. is he just rewriting the rules of campaigning? >> he is certainly playing by different rules. as a celebrity candidate, we're about to cover a donald trump press conference. when was the last scott walker or marco rubio press conference we covered live? there is a difference between being the voice of a faction and being a full scale competitor for the presidency. he is at 18% in both these polls. you can do that. it is a lot tougher eventually to get to 38% or 45%, which is what you need to do to actually win when the race narrows. the other thing to keep in mine. when you look at how quickly john kasich and carly fiorina moved up, at some point we are still measuring clouds. they can be blown away very quickly. it is pretty shallow at this point and subject to events that have not yet occurred yet. particularly the buying of
television ads which hasn't started. so things can move around a lot. i agree with both of them. there is a segment of republican party saying don't try it on me and wants to be heard. >> i imagine the jeb bush campaign is at these polls and maybe they're also saying oy when they look at them. you have john kasich in new hampshire. jeb bush doing better in new hampshire than eye watch he is down to seventh in iowa. maybe even he tweeted a photograph of a turtle today on remind people that he considers the tortoise in the tortoise and the hare, slow and steady. to answer your questions on iowa, he is not your typical flavor of conservative for most iowa voters. and his campaign will tell that you first and foremost, they were surprised he was in third place in the last couple of months. it is new hampshire that he has to be most worried. about he is still doing well but
he has john kasich coming up in his lane. the more moderate, i'm a governor who has done something who isn't a bush. so that is something that should be concerning. it is early. they will tell you that and he has a lot of money. they will tell you that. but that is the thing they're watching for. >> one other thing. just in the one thing to pay attention to is that 20% of those people polled were undecided. so, you know, as everyone is saying, there is a lot of shifting to be done before the first votes are cast in iowa, you know, this winter in february. >> when you look at trump and you think he looks like he's not going away any time soon and defying the conventions here, how can other candidates adapt to him? we have asked this question but it seems like it's always based on this idea, okay at a certain point he's going to mess up and then we'll have our moment. at this point, no, what are they going to do? >> if i were one of those second
tier candidates, i would make my moment around calling trump out. i get why the front runner class, maybe marco, chris christie, scott walker, jeb bush are kind of letting him alone but if you're rand paul or rick santorum, mike huckabee, carly, why wouldn't you say this isn't the answer. >> lindsey graham did, didn't work well. rand paul is trying. >> trying, yeah. >> and seems like he's screaming in the wilderness. today he went after donald trump as vulgar and someone with the vision and stronger than that. >> yeah. >> i think the attack is that he's an imposter, that he, you know, he's pretending to be a real republican and rand paul started to get at that and so did walker today that this is an i'm postu inposture and if you look at positions on the issues if you can find them out, conservatives, you might understand that he's not as to the right as you want him to be
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and so far, their mitigation effort and returning back to the normal and the colorado governor sounded optimistic when he said the water levels are looking normal. they are still concerned. >> thanks so much, dan simon. we have breaking political news coming into "the situration room." hillary clinton will be turning over her e-mail server to federal investigators. this is huge news. >> huge breanna, there is talk why secretary clinton was wiping the server, why she was not handing overall of the information related to the server. secretary clinton said she handed over 50,000 pages of the e-mails now in a statement, cnn has learned nick meryl, her spokesman saying that secretary clinton has quote directed her
team to give her e-mail server that was used during her tenure as secretary of state to the state and copies of her e-mail provided to the state department and as we know, her attorney david kendall has been holding that thumb drive, big news, breanna. there is an expanding probe into the use of secretary clinton's e-mails. that probe is now expanding to some of her other top aids. secretary clinton said she's handed overall of the e-mails, but the question is that a lot of members of congress particularly republican members asked what about the server. secretary clinton saying she will hand over that server to the department of justice. >> all right. hillary clinton said back in march the server will remain private. that is a direct quote, now we are learning that she will be handing it over very big breaking news here in the
situation room. thank you so much for watching. i'm brianna keilar in the "situation room. i'll be back here tomorrow fill income for wolf blitzer. erin burnet "outfront" starts now. "outfront" tonight, breaking news, we're standing by as donald trump is about to speak before a sold out crowd since his performance at the republican debate. a ferguson teenager on the night he was shot by police. his family says he was unarmed. the video may tell a different story. just into cnn, police fire the officer who shot and killed a texas teenager. so will the officer now face criminal charges? let's go "outfront." good