tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN August 14, 2015 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT
thank you so much for joining us, everyone. have a fabulous weekend. forb >> good evening. thank you for joining us. the big name candidates descending on the first key states in campaign 2016. iowa and new hampshire. every top democrat and one small iowa town tonight. and donald trump speaking in new hampshire. traveling to iowa tomorrow where he assembled a serious campaign operation. talked first to reporters. here he is now speaking to an overflow crowd in a high school in the beach town of hampton. >> -- can i do that? women, am i allowed to fight back? am i allowed? been a little nasty to me. i promise i'd wouldn't say it. i promised i wouldn't say -- that she ran hewlett parked into
the ground. i said i will not say it. that her stock value tanked. and that she laid off tens of thousand of people. and she got viciously fired. i said i will not say that. and that she then went out and ran against barbara boxer, for the united states senate in california, and it is a race that should have been won, and she lost in a landslide. and i said i will not say that. okay? all right? so i am not going to say it. so our country has tremendous potential. we have to take back our jobs from china and all of the other people. we have to renegotiate our trade deals by getting people like carl icon and henry kravitz. carl is very busy. i called him. he said you are doing great.
doing great. tough guy. every poll, you are doing amazing. i said, carl, do me a favor. just relax. i want to do this. if i win, you take china. i'll get somebody else to take this one. we will have our best. and these people, carl is, i think a nice guy. some of them are not nice. some of them are horrible human beings, okay. but they're the greatest in the world. do we want nice people or do we want these horrible human beings to negotiating for us? horrible. i want horrible. i want the horrible. we will make great trade deals. we will save social social security without cuts. we will -- we will come up with health care plans that will be phenomenal, phenomenal, that will be less expensive. we have to get rid of the little artificial circles. i call them the insurance company circles. you know what i mean you are in
the business. we have to get rid of artificial circles wrapping around the states all paid for by your local insurance companies. they have monopolies. i have a huge company. if i am in new york i get like no bids. i get one bid. okay? i go to new jersey, where i have a lot of stuff. i go to california where i have a lot of stuff. i go to florida. there is no bids. because they have a men onopoly. they would rather have a monopoly than negotiate all over the country. they would rather have new york sewed up than have competition where they have to go and work for their money. that's over. that's over. that's over. and you will have phenomenal plans, you will have them for much less money. the insurance companies will not be happy. see they don't give me money. they give to jeb. and they give to hillary. and they give to everybody. i don't want their money. i was called today by the
biggest lobbyist -- great, he can do anything. he said, donald i would love to make a major contribution to your campaign? i said i didn't want your money. no, no, no. you don't understand. like he never heard this before. i want to really, give, $4 million, $5 million if it is okay. you are leading in all the polls. they have to protect they have to protect themselves. a friend of mine. a good gift. i dent want your m what he is going to do. when i win. and when one of his companies has a problem. i am going to do what is right for the people of the country. i'm not going to do what's right for him. and his people. so you have the special interest people. and you have all of these lobest yous. and you have the donors. and i will tell you -- nobody is going to control us. we are going to work this together. we are going to make it so
strong and so great. i used the concept of the ford plant being built in mexico. it shouldn't be built there. we want it built in michigan. we want it built in, we want it built in new hampshire, we want it built in iowa. how does it help us? how does it help us? you go off to the great business schools, and you do really well, and then you come home and you say, well, let's figure this out. they are going to spend $2.5 billion building a plant in mexico. they're going to make cars, trucks and parts and they're going to ship them back to the united states. how does that help us? and we get no tax. we get no tax. so when jeb becomes president, if that ever happens, or when hillary, if that ever happens, or when -- hey, hey, it could happen, folks if i hate to tell you. i think it is unlikely. i think it is unlikely. but if jeb became president when they say, mr. president, it's
very bad ford is building in mexico. oh, okay. we'll do something. let me go to sleep first. we'll do something. we'll do something about it. as soon as he says we'll do something, hey, he's not stupid. the lobbyists will call him. they gave him some of this $114 million. and the donors. and the special interests. wait a minute. we have stock in ford. we want ford to do what we want them to do. the lobbyist will go up to them and say, mr. president, you can't dupe tho this. these people gave you $2.5 million. oh, they did. can't diet. they will build happily. have a nice plant. we'll lose thousand of jobs. terrible. what i would say is different. they will call me, too, i wouldn't even take their call. i might take them. some of them are nice guys. i will take them. i will start the conversation, no. i wouldn't use carl or anybody in this. by the way i hope the press calls carl icon. he feels strongly about it. he wants to do it. so anxious.
they all want to do it. you know, a guy like, i like carl icon. worth many billions of dollars. he wants to do it. this is more important. he doesn't need another deal. carl, how many deals can you do? make the great deal as the country. the country, we have got to make this country rich. then we have got to make it great. and i said the same thing to others. but okay they come up to trump. i wouldn't call an of the guys. this is too easy. too easy. so, the head of ford calls me up. he says, mr. president, we really want to build this plant in mexico. i said. congratulations. but you are not going to do it. we are going to go for it. then we are going to charge you a 35% tax on every car and truck and part that comes into our country. every single one. 35%. he says you can't do that? trust me i can do it. trust me. and what happens is probably
they fold before 5:00. it could be they'll play tough and wait until the next day. i say they fold before 5:00. and the reason is -- the reason i wouldn't waste the time of the killers i told you about the great negotiators, because this is just too easy. this is a couple of phone calls. what happens now is the next day they'll call up and they'll say, please, mr. president no. i want you building in the united states. if you do it that's the way it is. they'll say, mr. president. we are building our plant in the united states. it's that simple. it's that simple. who would let -- who would let nabisco -- nabisco? who would let nabisco go to mexico, the car companies, in tennessee expecting a great deal with a major foreign car company. going to be built in tennessee. it was all self. going to be built in tennessee. going to be a great deal.
all of a sudden at the last moment. they announce they're not doing it in tennessee. they're doing it in mexico. who would let that happen? >> obama. >> obama, you're right about that. a very good answer. it won't happen. believe me with trump. it won't happen. it won't happen. go ahead. i mean, this guy, i hope this question is worth it. this guy has, has been standing up for the entire thing. i hope this is going to be a good question. go ahead. >> fox hasn't touched this. i have been in touch with kelly too. and fox hasn't touched this. and i have been -- >> let's go. come on. got to go. he's holding up my whole speech. >> these counterfeit substandard parts in nuclear plants in the united states. >> i'm not surprised to hear that.
why am i surprised? >> some of them have come from china. >> airplanes too, by the way. >> when i brought this out, nuclear regulatory commission accused me of conspireing to topple their agency. had me in massachusetts federal court for six years. awe thought was donald trump tonight. oddly interrupting his speech for this man's statement/question. hillary clinton speaking shortly in iowa as well. when we come back we'll talk what we have been watching with our panel and listen in on hillary clinton when she gets going. we'll be right back. imagine - she won't have to remember passwords. or obsess about security. she'll log in with her smile. he'll have his very own personal assistant. and this guy won't just surf the web. he'll touch it. scribble on it. and share it. because these kids will grow up with windows 10.
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big night. important weekend for candidates. donald trump speak in new hampshire. hillary clinton speaking at a big democratic event, the wingding in clear lake, iowa. >> -- to build a global coalition against iran and impose the most kricrippling sanctions in history. that pressure -- that pressure delivered a blow to iran's economy and gave us the leverage necessary to get to the negotiating table and begin the first preliminary talks. now thanks to president obama, secretary kerry, and secretary, we have an agreement that blocks iran's pathways to a bomb and gives us new tools for verification and inspection.
so that we can compel rigorous iranian compliance. now i know there are people of good faith on both side of this debate, people who are committed to protecting our security and the security of our allies especially israel, a true friend of america. none of us should have any illusions about iran's true intentions or its continuing threats to the region to israel to the united states. that threat is real. and it must be confronted. including how we enforce this agreement and deter iranian aggression and sponsorship of terrorism. but our path is clear. this agreement combined with strong enforcement and deterrence is the only way to
prevent iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. there is simply no viable alternative. that is why i strongly support president obama and i encourage -- i encourage all of you to get involved and let congress know that you support the president as well. and when this debate is over, we need to come together to ensure that this president and the next president have the tools, resources and support to send a clear message to iran. cheat and you will pay. and when you threaten the region and israel, you threaten america. we will keep confronting you on human rights and terrorism. and make no mistakes, we will never allow you to acquire a nuclear weapon.
not just during the term of this agreement. never. now i know this is a little heavy for a wingding dinner. but i bring it up because when you get past all of the sound bites and the slogans, politics is about the choices we make. the choices we make about our leaders and our future. and this election has to be about who best understands the pressures facing our families and the challenges facing our nation. who has the right vision for america's future and the skills and tenacity to lead us there. that's an election that americans can really have confidence in and that democrats can win. >> hillary clinton, the democratic wingding in iowa. bernie sanders speaking there shortly tonight as well.
both donald trump and secretary clinton heading to the iowa state fair tomorrow. joining us, commentator, jeffrey lord. "boston globe" political reporter, james pindell, and democratic strategist, mary cardona. jeffrey, obviously donald trump at his lowest wattage gives off more energy than most candidates. that said he does seem to be in the last couple days, main in the last week kind of modulating himself in the interaction with reporters that he has a kind of free wheeling interactions with reporters before speeches. i am wondering if you see that and what you think about it? >> what i see, anderson is that he is moving into issues. not discussing so much personalities, he does a little bit. but he is talking issues. last night, for example, he was on mark levine's radio show, a
huge conservative audience. it was issue oriented. mark pressed him on issues and only issue. they didn't go anywhere else. so the discussion was about taxes and iran and iraq and military and veterans affairs, etc. it sound to me that's the kind of thing that he is talking about in new hampshire. it is noticeable in that sense. and, it is very interesting. when you listen to him on, on the iran deal and you listen to mrs. clinton she was just saying, discussing iran deal, she never mentioned the prisoners that are being held, americans being held captive in iran. that was one of the very first things donald trump touched on last night on the mark levine show. if he had been dealing with iran, that would have been the starting point. they would have gotten no further until that was resolved. so, she didn't mention that tonight at least that i could hear. i think that is a very interesting thing. >> james, i'm wondering, you know we heard earlier from a reporter who was at the, the trump event that some people are
just kind of there because they want to almost kind of take part in it, they want, whether or not they haven't decided whether or not they would support trump. they want to just catch a glimpse of him and be part of this thing that is going on. do you hear that a lot from people? i'm wondering if you hear that for other candidates as well? >> you know, yes, you do. part of it is they want to be there because there is this really fascinating moment in american politics. let's be honest. they want to be there. they are going to be entertained. it is a friday night. one thing that was interesting about the comment the reporter made. when you saw the pictures. i don't know if we have pictures of all the people lined up outside of the high school to see donald trump tonight. it really, the first thing that popped in my mind is it remind me of the large crowd that would wait in lines for barack obama in 2007 and 2008. they were there for the same reasons they wanted to see this historical moment. >> maria, do you think that,
obviously a different kind of historical moment. do you, do you see that comparison? >> no. i don't. i do agree that a lot of people do want to see donald trump for the circus of it all. who doesn't like a circus, right? but there is definitely a lot of followers who are believing eating everything that donald trump is giving them. and i think what's important for p republicans to take notice the he is going a lot further than anybody ever thought he would. and everybody, you know, has been saying that his campaign is going to fumble. you know from the first time that he, that he insulted mexico, insulted immigrants. then he insulted veterans, then he insulted, nursing moms, and nothing has actually affected his campaign other than it has helped him become the front-runn front-runner. you look at what americans are looking for at some point
they're going to say, okay, it was fine that i dated the bad boy, right? but now it's time to get serious. and i think when that happens, you know, and i think republicans are hoping that that happens before he actually gets the nomination, but when that happens i think you are going to see that people are going to press him on actual plans. and actual proposals. and even though jeffrey says he has been talking abouter us eis. he hasn't talked about how he is going to make mexico pay for the wall. has any body talked to mexico about that. mexico is not going to pay for the wall. >> jeffrey, let me ask you about that. at some point do the other gop candidates. we heard rand paul kind of attacking him, in personal ways. even attacking his kids at one point. but at some point do the other gop candidates start focusing on actually what trump is saying about taking the oil from iraq. that iraq is not a real country. there are no iraqis.
just take the oil. at some point do other candidates start to say, what does that actually laook like? what impact will have that on iraq? >> i'm sure they will, anderson. i think back to the reagan/bush campaign of 1980. george bush was as he begin to lose new hampshire, suddenly turned around and he was talking about reagan's voodoo economics. go back to 1960, and john f. kennedy and hubert humphrey, slugging it out in the west virginia primary. stories that hubert humphrey was a draft dodger compared to jfk's world war ii heroism. these things will happen. what a cam pagepaign is about. obama/clinton 2008, pretty much a slugfest there for a while. yes, i do expect this to happen. completely normal. part of the system. notice he took a poke at carly fiorina tonight. took a poke at rand paul.
all within bound. and lots of precedent for it. >> james, he said trump is going down the tubes and bush will start having off to run attack ads against trump. do you see that happening? there is some point, if the opponents want to overtake him they will have to get tougher. >> right. we are in a period now where a lot of rival are still not quite sure what to do with other than to use trump to get their own numbers up. get their own publicity. attacks ton trump like the million dollar ad putting on these early primary states from rand paul hitting donald trump. have really been about trump and his character. and things he has said. if you wait to get to policy conversation where you went there before, look at his comment. he said about ford. if ford wanted to move a plant to mexico, he would then automatically put some 35% tariff. well you know, you need the house and the senate to pass this. you can't just, as he said, make a couple of phone calls.
but i got to till you, anderson. i am just struck looking at these, the top of the show. we had donald trump and then hillary clinton. in the spring we knew two things for certain. hillary clinton was going to be the democratic nominee. and donald trump was not going run for president. now we are in this period of total uncertainty whether hillary clinton is collapsing and donald trump is not only running he is the national front-runner. >> don't we learn this every presidential election, that, you know, and pundits and experts that you cannot really predict this stuff. there is no, i mean as much as people know and as much experience as, as people have, every time it's different. and every time it's sort of redefines, there is different laws of politic thousands. i think that's what certainly is making it fascinating this time around just as it was fascinating when barack obama was running and nobody ever heard of him early on. we got to leave it. maria. thank you for being with us. james, jeffrey. coming up next more on iowa, a
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watching donald trump tonight in new hampshire. tomorrow he heads to iowa where we have been learning not just counting on publicity to win the first in the nation caucuses in january. he assembled a seasoned team of professionals on the ground. for now publicly, publicity, and exposure do mean a lot you. know mr. trump and others are flocking to the iowa state fair in des moines. he'll arrive by helicopter. he has several. will be offering chopper rides outside the fair grounds. officials say he cannot do it at the fair itself it. hillary clinton and bernie sanders are headlining the democratic wingding in the northern iowa town of clear lake. senior washington correspondent,
jake zeleny is there. lot of democratic candidates there tonight. what's the latest? >> anderson, i was struck by hillary clinton's comments a few moments ago. she embraced the iran deal and used that as example of why the presidential campaign should turn serious. why voters of all side should ignore the circus and the side show this campaign is, sometimes become, and it is a serious moment. but anderson it is clear that, listening to her in the speech tonight, she will be followed by bernie sanders and martin o'malley and others her best way to win over democrats, to win over skeptical democrats is to take on the republicans. and to show these democratic voters that she is the strongest general election candidate. bat she is more serious than bernie sanders. more experienced than martin o'malley. we hear that tonight in her speech. something she has been trying to do. why she is hitting jeb bush, really pretty hard. even though, she has a long way to go until then.
>> state fair which obviously kicked into high gear today. jeb bush spent time there on the soapbox. what did he say? how was he received? >> anderson i was impressed how much time he spent there. about 4 1/2 hours there. he gave of a speech on the soapbox. a serious speech. really spent a lot of time one-on-one pressing the flesh. he acknowledged the difficulties he faces in this race. there is no question that this is not how he had planned this campaign at all. he is an unscripted moment. in an uncertain time in the republican party. but he really looked like a happy warrior out there. he spent so much time doing it. and it is going to be a can trast contrast to hillary clinton, visits the state fair. not doing the soapbox. does that matter does it not? it is giving a speech. taking unsolicited, unscripted rather questions from voters. and jeb bush did that fairly well today. a couple people, raised some things about his brother a. but the iraq war. he handled it just fine. so some contrasts seeing out
here on this very retail side of the summer campaign swing. >> what else does the weekend have in store, besides chopper rides from donald trump? >> anderson i have to think those chopper ride are going to pretty much dominate the news coverage certainly. it is going to be quite the spectacle. really new york vs. new york tomorrow at the state fair. with hillary clinton arriving in a very different way. as donald trump, and this side show she talked about tonight is going to be playing out there. i talked to a lot of people why this actually matters. and this is a real test of likability. how voters actually see if you are lookable. i think donald trump has won that score. people find him likable. they're waiting to see if he is serious. hillary clinton has ground to make up in terms of connecting with voters. that's why all the things matter, impressions at this point are important. >> jeff, stay with us. bring in gloria borger, talking to sources on the other big campaign story today. whether vice president biden
said to be weighing options on va kag th vacation this week. and also, mark preston. gloria, want to get the reporting on the vice president in a moment. donald trump we saw a couple of moments ago in new hampshire, tomorrow at the iowa state fair, big visits there, no major dustups the past few days. seems like his candidacy is not only as strong as ever, but kind of into a new phase. i don't know if trying to be more presidential, more straight forward kind of phase. >> i think what it is, that we have grown so accustomed to donald trump, that what we saw tonight was, what we now think of as his stump speech. even though he came out and said, that hillary clinton by the way, whom we just saw a few moments ago, he said this, she is going to have to end her campaign. he said things are going so badly for her. she is going to have to end her campaign. then we have stupid leadership in the country. that everything is a mess that. we don't have anything of good relationships with our allies.
rand paul is just using the people of kentucky. and on and on. but i think what's happened is that, this is just become more of the same to us. we are used to it. we go, oh, that's donald trump. okay, move on to the next thing. it's pretty standard fare from him. >> mark, trump flew to new hampshire. i guess from new york. an hour before the speech. flying back to new york tonight. other candidates you see them doing multiday, multistop visits. key early states. not only does trump not do that. it's working. could any one else pull that off? >> no. he is not the normal politician. he doesn't bend to people's pressure. he is somebody that we haven't seen certainly in my lifetime, run a presidential campaign, the we he is running it right now. the question is -- can that turn into votes sniff we lo? if we look at iowa. spoke to folks who ran campaigns in iowa. trump is going to come to iowa. he is going to draw big crowds. from that he need to i didn't tie voters. from then he, then need to get them to come out to caucus for
him, which means basically vote for him. when it gets really cold in february. so the question is -- you know, donald trump clearly is going to get the support. right now. we are going to see that in the polls. people are angry. he well have people come out to see him at these events. can he turn them into supporters in february. that still really is a question that remains to be answered. >> jeff, i understand, jeb bush is saying he is not worried. what else is he going to say? kind of laughed it off in iowa. when asked about it. but behind the scenes what are you hearing? are the bush people, they can't be happy about what trump has been able to do? >> they're not happy about this. not the way they saw the cam unfolding. he got in late in june. raising money. they go out and point out the fact that this has been a pause during the middle of the presidential campaign. not sure if it is going to continue or not. sort of an interlude as aide
describe it to me. they still believe slow and steady. sort of a when is this race -- sort of wins this race here. one thing they were heartened by, governor bush was not heckled on immigration, not heckled on the iraq war or other things. actually able to make his case today. they really think that they still are in a decent position because of the rest of the republican base is divided in so many different parts. anderson, the biggest reason that the bush campaign is not sweating entirely is, as gloria and i have talked and mark so many times. 120 million reasons why. that's how much money they and their super pacs have. have not aired an ad or muscled up on the campaign yet. i don't detect a ton of worry among the jeb bush side. but they're watching this clowely. >> gloria, let's talk vice president biden. what are you hearing? >> well i think, you know when you look back to 2013, 2014, anderson. i think joe biden was pretty much resigned to not rung. hillary clinton seemed anointed by president obama.
some of his aides went to trun what's become her super pac. i think he thought that -- the future in many ways he was going to pass the torch to his son bo. and obviously -- you know, bo's tragic death changed everything. hillary clinton is dropping precipitously in the polls. what he is now allowing is her is for his aide. former aides. close advisers to start talking to people about the potential for a biden run. he has actually been on the phone himself. with some people. but this is mainly -- being done by aides. and they're starting, you know they tell him the obvious things. that a you have no money. b, you have no organization. c, what would happen itch you want to new hampshire for sxam pull? wouldn't you hand new hampshire to sanders and take votes from hillary clinton. do you want to be a spoiler?
would you start your campaign in south carolina? you're 72 years old. is this something you really need or want to do for the country? so he is on vacation now with his wife jill, and he'll continue talking to advisers. i don't think we will get a sol sid answer until end of the summer. >> thank you. up next, live to cuba and the american flag is flying over the u.s. embassy in havana for the first time in more than half a century. the latest on this historic day. # ♪ ♪ mum. ♪ ♪ just tap it. ♪ i did! ♪ (yo gabba gabba!) ♪ the one on your right is made out of high strength steel and
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for the first time in 54 years the american flag is flying over the american embassy in cuba. secretary of state john kerry raised the flag in the ceremony and called it a truly historic moment. jake tapper. joins us now. you were at the embassy this morning. what was it like? >> it was very interesting. it was very mixed in the emotions here the you have the history of course, secretary of state john kerry. the first american secretary of state here since 1945. and they're raising the flag up. eisenhower is the one that
ordered it down in january, 1961. the three marines who take it down were here to witness it go back up. so, it's interesting. and momentous. but at the same time, you know i think the cuban people a lot of them are, excited about what this might mean. a lot of them are hopeful about what this might mean. but it is not as though, you know, snap, all of a sudden there is democracy and freedom of the press and freedom of congregation in cuba. it's so it is a weird mix. it's exciting and historic. but, what's it going to mean at the end of the day. >> what did kerry say, i understood he addressed the crowd in english and spanish? >> he did. it was the kind of speech you would expect. and he did caution that, this is not, everything is not going to happen overnight. this is going to be a journey. but he did -- look, he is the secretary of state and it was clearly a moment where he was -- being the nation's top diplomat.
there is some controversy over the fact that none of the dissidents were invited to the ceremony. two explanations for that, one, government to government event. which makes sense. and also likely that if the dissidents came the cuban government would not have sent any representatives. that's also true. the state department also said, there wasn't going to be any space. that clearly was not the case. there was plenty of space. an entire empty row. so there is, this lingering nagging issue going on. amid ths all this pomp and circumstance that this is still a, an impoverished country. country that has failed the economic system. it is a disaster. the people are suffering. and they don't have freedom so -- so sit is great that there is this new course. but -- what now. is this actually going to do what president obama says it will? >> yeah, a lot of raised hopes. questions still. jake tapper, thank you for being there. a lot more happening tonight. randi kaye and a 360 bulletin.
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new infofr mags in a case that baffled investigators. two months since the body of a little girl was found stuffed in a trash bag along the shoreline of boston harbor. still don't know her name. a picture created by forensic artist and shared millions of times on line. investigators have been working to piece together clues about who she is. how a possible break through, may be a possible breakthrough. analysis of the pollen found on her clothing could help investigators in their search. once again, randi kaye reports. >> reporter: first found on the boston harbor rocky shoreline. no name, no identity. no one reporting her missing.
a woman walking her dog noticed a plastic bundle and called police. investigators found the child's bed here wrapped in a black plastic garbage bag, just discarded like a piece of trash resting along the rocks here. this is deer island. just east of boston's logan airport here. you can get here by car or by boat. investigators named her baby doe and set out trying to figure out who she is and how she got here. how disturbed are you by this discovery here? >> absolutely disturbed. you know, just a little kid. never had a chance in the world, you know? it's terrible. >> reporter: the national center for missing and exploited children generated this computer image of what she may look like. long brown hair. sweet chubby cheeks. and big brown eyes. authorities also released pictures of some of the evidence. a zebra blanket found with her. and polka dotted leggings she was wearing. now a critical discovery from the items is radically changing
the course of this investigation. lab tests turned up pollen. and technicians were able to determine where that pollen cam from. trees and shrubs in new england. this new information indicates baby doe is likely from the area. and didn't wash up from some where far away. and there is more. the pollen was mixed with soot telling investigators her surroundings were some what urban. >> i grew up here. and what if it is a kidnapped kid, you know what i mean? >> reporter: based on the new evidence, authorities now believe baby doe may nef have been in the water at although she was wrapped in plastic. it's likely she was simply placed on the shore. otherwise the pollen may not have survived. investigators don't suspect baby doe had been dead very long. baby doe is 3 1/2 feet tall, weighing 30 pound. investigators believe she is 4
years old. likely hispanic or caucasian. >> the sad part of this -- some body has to know this child and know he has come forward. that's the sad part about it. >> police have received tips pointing to 150 different children who tipsters believe may be baby doe. still, her name remains a mystery. along with how she died. randi kaye, cnn, winthrop, massachusetts. >> joined by cnn contributor, lawrence kobolinsky, james collins school of criminal justice. tracing the pollen on the clothing to trees and plants in the boston area -- how difficult is that? what does that process look like? >> it's not as comb ply kam com. difference species of plants produce pollen. and these pollen grains, under the microscope are morphologically structural different.
if you have a database to examine. you can compare known pollen grains from the question, evidentiary pollen grains. they found 39 different species of pollen on the clothing that, that baby doe was wearing. and so -- they have a rough idea, not only of what pollen, what types of pollen were there, but also the proportion of each. that gives them a fairly good idea of the general region where this pollen is produced. which is the -- the urban area, the greater area, of around boston. and i think that they can't really localize it any further without additional assistance. we are a little step closer to identifying baby doe. >> you were hoping they would find more than just pollen on the clothing. what other things, hairs, things like that? >> hair. any kind of trace evidence that might be there. there might even be dna there from who ever handled those
items. so, that for example, if you found a genetic profile and you searched the national data base. if somebody was there relative, a close relative, if not the person who left the dna, you could tell, you can get a handle on, on the origin of baby doe. so this is just one example of where we are going as far as we can go. they're even doing -- [ indiscernible ] of her teeth to tell us what kind she had. what type, or what should they then, that would again help us deter men tmine the general loc. >> that's fast night. let's hope they get more evidence soon. thank you very much. we'll be right back. go see. go look through their windows
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