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we sure to join us here tomorrow on "the situation room." can't watch us live, you can always dvr the show. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" tonight republicans firing back at donald trump's immigration plan some calling it gibberish. saying no one thinks a wall at the border will actually work. a new report calls amazon a brutal workplace. is the world's biggest retailer also its worst place to work? and 50 people feared dead after a jetliner crashes. is the high demand for cheap air travel behind the spate of asian air disasters? let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm jim sciutto in for erin burnett. trump gets specific outlining his immigration plan for first
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time, but his fellow republican presidential candidates were quick to pounce slamming the gop front-runner. >> i appreciate the fact that mr. trump now has a plan, if that's what it's called, but i think that the better approach is to deal with the 11 million people here illegally in a way that is realistic. >> donald trump's eight-page plan is absolute gibberish. it is unworkable. >> in trump's 1900-word policy paper, he calls, among other things, for the deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants including children born to undocumented immigrants on u.s. soil. according to the 14th amendment of the constitution in place since 1868, those children are american citizens. senior white house correspondent jeff is out front tonight. trump rising in the polls, but many questioning whether that will translate into votes once those primaries start. you were on the trail with him this weekend. you've been there for days.
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what are voters telling you? >> it's interesting. voters are intrigued. republicans are but also independent voters who have never participated in this process before in iowa. they're intrigued by his plain spoken talk, his anti-washington sort of get it done sort of a rhetoric. but what i also was struck by is that voters want to hear more from him. donald trump said over the weekend that reporters are asking for his policies more than voters are. that's not true necessarily with the early state voters, those activists that pay so much attention in iowa and new hampshire. they want to hear more from him like this immigration plan. they're sizing him up over the next months or so. what he needs to do is build an organization and expand beyond the traditional base of the republican party because he will have a problem with evangelicals. i'm starting to pick this up in conversations with voters that the evangelicals in iowa who are normally so important in picking this republican nominee, they're skeptical of him. they're not sure where he stands on things.
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so if donald trump is going to succeed in iowa, he'll have to expand to find new voter, which is certainly possible. barack obama did it in iowa, in 2007 and 2008, but that's his next hurdle, how he evolves as a presidential candidate. the celebrity meets the political candidate, people are so intrigued and curious about what he stands for and what he says. >> so you have trump answering those questions. here he put out specifics on his immigration policy. do you see in this policy proposal here what everybody is telling you that they want to hear? >> the anti-immigrant activists think this is music to their ears. they like how this sounds. they like the hard line sort of the nature of this. but you heard what jeb bush and lindsey graham said just a moment ago in the opening there. they think it's unworkable. the question is as this gets picked apart a little bit, is it really realistic to essentially overturn the 14th amendment to the constitution?
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even as red hot as the immigration controversy is right now in the country, some of these plans that he laid out may not be reworkable. if this is the spine of the conversation at the next republican presidential debate in just a couple weeks, and, of course, cnn has that at the reagan library in september. >> is it applause line, an actual plan, thank you very much. jeff zeleny who has been following donald trump the candidate. we've been doing our own fact checking on the front-runner to answer that key question, will this immigration plan work? here's tom foreman. >> reporter: close to 700 miles of the 2,000-mile border with mexico is already fenced and heavily monitored. finishing the job with a state of the art wall and all it would take to secure that border could cost close to $33 million per mile based on one government estimate. whatever the cost, trump says,
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no problem. >> i will build a great, great wall on our southern border. and i'll have mexico pay for that wall. >> if mexico won't play along, trump proposes a torrent of fees on mexican citizens, corporate ceos and diplomats who visit the u.s., possibly tariffs and cuts to foreign aid, too. but mexico is the united states' third largest trading partner, and all of that could cost the u.s. as well. so his opponents are not impressed. >> this is not the negotiation of a real estate deal. this is international diplomacy, and it's different. >> reporter: trump wants to deal with the 11 million immigrants living in the u.s. illegally. >> they have to go. >> reporter: the deportation rate has been near 400,000 per year, but to get rid of all those folks, deportations would have to soar almost 28 times higher, and even if he's talking about only those with criminal records, it's not clear how he would find them or fund it. then there is the 14th amendment
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ratified in 1868 which says all persons born in the united states are citizens of the united states. trump wants to change that, arguing that if two people are here illegally and have a baby, that child should not automatically be a u.s. citizen. but legal scholars say that would require changing the constitution. so even many proponents of the idea admit -- >> it will be litigated, there isn't any doubt about it. >> reporter: in other words, trump can say he'll end the birthrite rule, but he can't do it even if he were president. undeniably these have a lot of appeal with a lot of people out there, these ideas being thrown out there, but there are persistent expensive details that are just very hard to deal with and that you just can't get around. what it comes down to is this -- some years ago i was at the wall in one of the places that was supposed to be the most state of the art and heavily guarded and while i'm standing there guys came over the top and dropped down and walked into america.
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every security expert i talked to says stopping that is really still a complicated problem no matter how much technology you bring to bear, and you can't do it with just campaign slogans. they need to hear more, too. >> no question some climb over it and some tunnel under it. tom foreman from washington. outfront tonight is trump's campaign manager, corey lewandowski. you heard tom foreman there. legal scholars say this is not as simple as getting majority vote in two houses of congress. you would have to amend the constitution. if i remember my high school civics well enough, we're talking about two-thirds votes among the states. this is a major undertaking. is this a practical plan to take away birth right citizenship? >> if you are a foreign executive here at the united nations and you decide that you and your wife on u.s. soil and you have a baby here, that baby is not a u.s. citizen. that baby is a citizen of the country that they're from. >> for diplomatic exception. >> however, if that same foreign
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individual decide to leave their country and become illegal alien and overstay their visa, either one or both of them, that person now, under our government, would be allowed to be a u.s. citizen. >> i'm aware of the law, but this is 150 years of tradition. >> tradition doesn't mean it's right. when you come to the country, illegally, that's the key. you're illegal in first place. and you decide to have a child here, you've done something against the laws of our country to begin with and you do not have the privilege of being a u.s. citizen. >> that's a fair opinion, but practically how do you change the constitution to change that birth rite? >> the polls are very clear. 2-1 people agree that coming over here and having what they call anchor babies is not fair. the cost burden on our country alone is $113 billion a year of our government tax dollars being used to subsidize, $5 billion alone in just tax credits. there has to be something done. the first step of this is to build a wall, to make sure, as israel has done, to build a wall
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to prevent additional illegal aliens from coming into our country. look, we can have a big door in that wall. you can come through legally, but there's a process in place and many people over many decades have followed that process legally. >> let's talk about that wall. it would cost $43 billion. this is an expensive proposition. i know the candidates propose fees to mexican citizens already living in the u.s. and force the mexican government, cut foreign aid to mexico, which is a very close ally. even chris christie an cnn's air this morning saying this is not negotiating a real estate deal. international diplomacy, in his words, is different. does governor christie have a point? how do you make it happen? it's a great applause line. >> we give billions in foreign aid to mexico. bottom line they have to do something on their side. they have their own wall to make sure illegals aren't coming into their country. we've seen this work clearly in israel. >> that was terrorism and the
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israeli wall was to stop terrorism. >> we have illegals coming across and killing american citizens. you may not consider that unless you talk to the families of those who have been physically killed by these illegal aliens. the immigration plan has three basic points. a nation without a border is not a nation. a nation without laws is not a nation. a nation that doesn't serve its own citizens is not a nation. time to put america first. time to give opportunity for u.s. citizens to go and get those jobs and not allow illegal aliens to take those jobs that others could be having. >> i want to ask you a question. the other thing that caught our attention was donald trump saying in terms of his military policy, how did he develop it? he watches the sunday morning talk shows. a short time ago jeb bush commented on this. he said that i get my military advice -- this is jeb bush speaking -- from a young group of dedicated men and women serving in the campaign. in his words, it has to be more detailed than watching "meet the press." this is a putative commander in
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chief, donald trump. shouldn't he get his advice on military policy from more than the sunday morning talk shows? >> he talks to retired and active generals. he talks to those in foreign affairs policies. >> his point, though, listen, i get enough advice from watching the sunday morning talk shows. is that a serious defense of how he develops his policy? >> of course not. but the point is he surrounds himself with experts. he understands that. that will be on full display at the next debate which will be on cnn at the reagan library. and donald trump will be happy to talk about his plan to lay out a detailed immigration policy. not an amnesty plan like jeb bush wants or marco rubio, but a plan that puts america first. >> the latest polls, donald trump has been leading in most of the poll, all the polls, but you're starting to see some chinks in the armor in his support. for instance, it asked
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republican candidates would he win in a matchup against hillary clinton. it shows him losing. bush and rubio beat clinton. 62% say trump not qualified for president. do you see the support for him waning, whether that poll support will translate into votes? >> it's the exact opposite. you see the recent polls in alabama, trump's at 33%. in michigan, missouri, iowa. >> he can't beat clinton in this race. >> we don't know that clinton will be the nominee. she has her own problems with the e-mail scandal. when you look at the polls, jeb bush is in the low single digits. this is a man with 100% name i.d., money in a super pac that will be spent to go after mr. trump and his policies are being rejected across the board. look at the outsider, trump, carson, carly fiorina, senator ted cruz to a point, they have over 50% of the vote that says politics as usual doesn't work, washington is broken.
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mr. trump is the clear front-runner in this race for the president of the united states. and he'll be the nominee. >> thank you for taking the time. >> thanks for having me. >> donald trump says he would defeat isis by taking their oil and putting 25,000 u.s. boots on the ground. do america's top veteran generals agree? plus amazon slammed by employees in a new report. one calling it, quote, the greatest place i hate to work. i'll talk to a senior amazon executive about those allegations. and only donald trump would show up for jury duty in a stretch limo and maybe even catch some shut-eye. we'll talk to a jury who spent the day with trump. ♪ hp instant ink
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was getting his military advice, trump gave a surprising answer. >> well, i watch the shows. i mean, i really see a lot of great, you know, when you watch your show and all of the other shows and you have the generals and you have certain people -- >> but is there somebody, is there a go-to for you? >> probably there are -- >> every presidential candidate has a go-to. >> probably there are two or three. >> are these the words of a potential commander in chief? barbara starr "outfront" tonight. >> reporter: donald trump offering new details on his plan to fight isis. >> isis is taking over a lot of the oil and certain areas of iraq. and i said you take away their wealth. you go and knock the hell out of the oil, take back the oil, we take over the oil. >> reporter: on "meet the press" trump was adamant how he would do it. >> what you're talking about is ground troops. >> that's okay. we can circle it. we'll have so much money. >> reporter: a trump military critic says not so fast. >> you don't just go into
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another country and steal their national wealth which would in fact be what he's suggesting we do. >> reporter: the just retired top army general had issue with trump as well. when you hear donald trump say we should just move in with our troops and take their oil and bomb the iraqi oil fields and take the oil away from isis, does anything like that even remotely have military utility? >> see, there's limits to military power. and so we can have an outcome, but again, the problem we've had over the last -- do we achieve sustainable outcome? it's about sustainable outcome. >> reporter: so you disagree with donald trump? >> i do. >> reporter: the majority of u.s. air strikes against oil targets have been in syria, not iraq. isis controls about 10% of iraq's oil fields. ho how much money would a president trump get? in 2014 iraq earned $300 million a day in oil revenue.
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now it's down to roughly $240 million a day due to falling oil prices. >> to suggest that we just go in and bomb the oil fields and take them over -- also a violation of international law -- and mr. trump may have a lot of lawyers in the trump corporation, but i don't think they're going to be able to get him out of the hague when he's tried for that kind of a plan. >> reporter: where does trump get his military advice? >> well, i watch the shows. >> reporter: as you ask the previous guest, jim, that's what donald trump says about where he gets his advice. now, look, if he's elected and he put this plan into place and he got this money from iraq's oil, what would he do with it? well, he says part of it, at least, he would try and give back to the families of the fallen and the wounded, but it is very unclear what mechanism exists that could make that happen. jim? >> we'll see what the generals think about it now. thanks very much to barbara starr at the pentagon.
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jeffrey lord was a political director for ronald reagan and cnn military analyst colonel peter monsour. colonel monsour, i want to start with you. you heard that line, trump saying the first thing he watches to get his military advice, the sunday shows. you served in iraq. from a soldier's perspective, is that a satisfying answer to you as 40 how a commander in chief makes what is a very important policy statement on putting u.s. troops in harm's way? >> it's not. absolutely not. you know, there are many presidents that come into the oval office, and they don't have a great education in national security and foreign affairs but all all well read. eenl general petraeus during the hardest days during his job in iraq was reading books every night. and you know, a great question for donald trump going forward would be what were the last six books you've read on foreign affairs and national security.
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you cannot simply get an education watching tv, as great as some of the programs are. >> jeffrey, i didn't give you a chance to respond. colonel monsoor, he did his time in iraq. he's not impressed by that answer. what do you think of donald trump saying that's where he gets his information? >> first of all, he's a business executive. he's not a sitting united states senator or governor or a congressman all of whom have scads of people surrounding them in all kinds of policy areas. >> true, but he's a businessman who is running to be president of the united states and commander in chief of the u.s. army. >> i understand. i understand. i understand. and to my point exactly. this is somebody who know hous to put together an organization and he'll undoubtedly do this. presidential campaigns by their nature, as they begin to take off, they institutionalize themselves. he will have, without question, i'm sure, advisers not only on military policy and national security policy, but health care
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and every other policy, he's already got an immigration policy out there that, as i understand it, was crafted with help from senator jeff sessions from alabama. this will happen in all due course. one can agree or disagree with the outcome of it, but the notion that he doesn't know enough to do this is, i think, to be perfectly candid, silly. he'll get to it, he'll do it and we'll go from there. >> silly. silly to ask someone why they're putting u.s. troops in harm's way? >> i'm sorry, jim. >> i'm just trying to understand how it could be silly to question a candidate on his justification for putting troops in harm's way. >> no, no, no, no. it's silly to say at this stage how many advisers does he have on this. he'll get them. jeb bush has said according to the report i was just hearing, he's got all these advisers. that's probably true. i'd be willing to bet you that a good many of them got us into iraq in first place, so how good is that?
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i'm sure that donald trump knows how to bring in people. he's done it on immigration. he'll do it on the other issues. when i said it's silly -- >> go ahead. >> i mean it's silly to presuppose that he's not going to do that. >> i understood. you are saying he'll get the advisers so he'll have that cabinet in effect in due time. >> exactly. >> colonel monsoor, i want to get your opinion on the other plank in this plan to defeat isis. and that's to take its oil fields. you've been in iraq during some of the toughest times there. oil, of course, always an essential part of the fight between the various ethnic groups there. is that a plausible plan? would it require a big u.s. ground deployment to seize those fields from isis? >> well, it absolutely would. and i would point out that those oil fields don't belong to isis. they belong to the iraqi people. and even if we were to somehow eject isis from those fields and hold them with troops on the
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ground, the iraqi government would ask a very pointed question -- why don't we get the oil? it's iraqi oil. it's on iraqi soil. and if the answer is, well, that's just too bad, we're going to take it, then you'll find a lot of shia militias starting to attack u.s. troops on iraqi soil as some of them did during the iraq war. the u.s. contribution to the iraq war. so this is not going to be a solution to combating isis just simply to take their oil. >> colonel monsoar, former adviser to general petraeus in iraq, also jeffrey former adviser to ronald reagan. now, amazon is fighting back. that's next. and a passenger plane down with 54 people on board. the latest in a series of crashes in one of the world's busiest air spaces. we'll have a special report after this.
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welcome back. tonight amazon firing back against a damning account of what it's like to work for the world's larmgest retailer. the scathing allegations appearing in "the new york times" portray amazon as, quote, a bruising workplace with little or no care for an employee's health or well-being. a cut-throat culture so brutal one former employer describing the company as a place where overachievers go to feel bad about themselves. the company's ceo jeff bezos insisting the critique does not represent those of the company's. >> amazon shipping whatever wherever with an effortless click of your finger. but some 100 current and former
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employees claim it's not so magical for amazon's white collar employees, describing to "the new york times" a cut-throat, dog eat dog workplace, pushing out workers viewed as week for getting cancer or having children. a former employee quoting to the "times" a saying around amazon campus, amazon is where overachievers go to feel bad about themselves. people claiming to be ex-employees spoke out on social media. when i went to the bathroom i would hear at least one person crying at least once a day. there are thousands of us in seattle alone. on arc networking site where employees review company, amazon's positive reviews carried this concern. advice to management -- remember that the employees are people and not machines. amazon's own produced videos called inside amazon showcase
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employees who who call the job challenging and cutting edge, but -- >> you either fit here or you don't. you love it or you don't. there's no middle ground really. >> thank you. >> reporter: ceo jeff bezos, the driving visionary behind the retailer's seismic success responded to "the new york times" article in ab e-mail to his more than 100,000 employees writing, i don't recognize this amazon. adding amazon would not tolerate callous workplace behavior. but tech analysts say this behavior has been around at amazon for years and, frankly, other start-ups. john sullivan advises fortune 500 companies and has studied amazon for a decade. >> oh, wow, they're startled, because they live in a different world. you have to be first like an ebay, an amazon, you have to have these kind of people. and i would say shame on them if they were surprised. >> reporter: so will all of this end up affecting amazon? well, right now, what people will tell you is that as long as
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they keep delivering and managing the public image, they'll probably come out of this just fine. and if you're wondering what happened to the stock, stock was up 0.7%. jim? >> market not impressed. thanks very much kyung lah out on the west coast. jay kearney senior vice president of global corporate affairs. he's the former white house press secretary. jay, thanks for taking the time tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> some of the adjectives to describe the workplace at amazon, punishing, bruising, extreme. not just those descriptions that struck me. things that employees are required to do, to sign confidentiality agreements, means of providing secret feedback on their colleagues. are these employees who have described this, are these fantastic description of the workplace? are they not telling the truth? >> let me say broadly why i think the article in "the new
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york times" is just -- it's just way off base. it doesn't represent the company that i've worked for for just five months, but the company that others that i work with have been at for a decade or more. you know, here's the fundamental problem with the story, which is it creates this vision of a soulless dystopian workplace where people are miserable and unhappy, but no company that was like the one described by "the new york times" could survive and thrive in the current high-tech labor marketplace. every -- you know, every qualified engineer, and software developer not just in the united states but in the world as well as lawyers and others who are interested in the tech field have their pick of companies to work for. and they come to amazon because it's a great place to work and because they find it challenging and they love the ethos that we're all focused on, dleliverig for the customer. unlike a lot of workplace, including places i've worked, it
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is absolutely standard and expected to question everybody's ideas and anybody can have a good idea. it doesn't have to be the person at the top. it can be the person in the middle or the bottom. >> let me ask you about this. specifically some of the issues that were raised. this morning you said that the company had not had a chance to check out some of these stories that former employees quoted in the "times" piece. have you been able to answer some of those questions since then? >> we're continuing to work on this. our human -- our hr department is working on that. and as i think jeff bezos said in his memo to amazonians from last night and this morning, you know, we want to know, he wants to know if any of the behab your, managerial behavior that was reported on this story is actually true. it's intolerable. we won't accept it. amazon is not perfect. we're an organization that's grown from a big company to
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183,000 employees. again, 150,000 people, 150,000 new jobs wouldn't be created and filled if people didn't want to work at amazon. the white collar workforce, these are people who could work anywhere. at the most senior levels, these are people who have been so successful who don't have to work but they love coming to work at amazon because it's an inonovative and creative place o be. >> one posted a 5,000-word defense on linkedin. and the ratio of criticism is 5-1. look at specific policies, one being the paternity leave policy. having just had a baby, something close to my heart. your former employer offers fathers six weeks of paid leave. when you look at other companies out in silicon valleys, netflix offers up to a year, facebook four months, apple six weeks, google 12 weeks. these are your peers in that
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high-tech rough and tumble, challenging west coast high-tech environment. >> sure. >> why can't amazon, very profitable amazon match that? >> one, that's a fair point. and we have to be competitive and we look at our policies, our compensation and our benefits all the time to make us competitive. we're looking at a range of things. >> something you might change, amazon might offer? >> i'm saying we look at these things all the time and we have to be competitive and we are, both in compensation and benefits. but the other picture that isn't included in that stat, some high-tech firms have different, more generous poll sis on paternity live. but 83% of american companies don't offer paid paternity leave. 80% of companies are where amazon is. that doesn't mean that's the right policy, but that article left that fact out. our problem with the article is that it created this picture of a company that couldn't exist today. you know what it's like, jim. right now if you're a qualified
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ph.d. in engineering or software developer, you can name -- you can decide where you want to work. apple, google, microsoft, facebook, twitter. the world is your oyster, right? and we have to compete to get those people. they come to amazon because it's such a compelling place to be and people love to work there. one of the things in the story, to suggest that people should come to amazon if they want to work hard is somehow a bad thing. if you're a smart person who wants to innovate and create, of course you want to work hard and you want your ideas heard and you want the possibility that your idea will actually be created and developed and become an innovation that becomes part of amazon's business in the future. >> let's stay in touch and see if any changes come out of this, including the paternity policy which you say is one of many that the company is looking at now. >> thank you very much. is the explosive growth of budget airlines behind the sear roifs deadly air crashes?
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tonight dangerous winds and rain forcing authorities to suspend the search for a downed passenger jet carrying 54 people. rescuers think they have located the plane's debris on a rugal mountain in indonesia, one of the most dangerous places to fly today. our rene marsh is out front. >> reporter: search teams are navigating rugged terrain in eastern indonesia, trying to find a missing aircraft. the chief of indonesia's national search and rescue agency says they've spotted debris and smoke. the flight with 54 people on board disappeared from radar about 30 minutes into the short flight between jayapura and o oksibil in indonesia. the small airline has been involved in 15 serious safety incidents since 1992 and was
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banned from flying in the european union. >> they simply allow these small airlines which have very sketchy procedures, to operate. >> reporter: this weekend's crash is the third major plane accident in indonesia in the past eight months. in december airasia flight 8501 with 162 people on board crashed into the java sea, and in june an indonesian military plane with 122 people on board crashed into a residential area. there were no survivors. indonesian carriers are restricted from operating in the united states because the faa says its safety and oversight does not meet international standards. concerns go beyond airlines in indonesia after several high profile incidents in the region. in 2014 in the asia-pacific region, there was less than one major crash for every 1 million
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flights, but it was four times the amount of crashes in north america. in taiwan, a trasia flight crashed into a river shortly after takeoff. mh-370 disappeared over the indian ocean. malaysia airlines 17 was shot down in ukraine in july of 2014. in that incident investigators in part blamed the airline for not heeding warnings of potential dangers over that conflict zone. >> in fast growing economies, the emphasis is on getting the planes in the air and moving the people. safety comes second. >> reporter: airliners in asia, they are experiencing a boom in travel. in the next 19 years indonesia is expected to be the world's sixth largest market shuttling in 270 million passengers, but the problem is international safety regulators, they are so
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donald trump reported for jury duty today. in true trump fashion his civic duty quickly turned into a circus. jeanne casarez is out front. >> such professional people. we had a great time. the potential jurors were wonderful. >> reporter: a crowd greeted donald trump as he wrapped up his day as a jury at new york state supreme court in manhattan. dozens of reporters and supporters -- trying to get a glimpse of the presidential candidate as he showed up to
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jury duty in a black limousine. trump waited inside the courthouse along with 175 other potential jurors. and waiting is all they did. >> actually they chose nobody. it is one of those lucky days. >> you know what, summer? you are fired. >> known for being the judge and jury on the apprentice, trump mentioned his jury service last friday night during a campaign stop in new hampshire. >> i'll be doing jury duty. i will be doing jury duty monday morning. >> reporter: former president george w. bush enjoyed his civic duty taking photos at the dallas civil court in early august. in 2005 serving as president there were concerns with public safety. >> as a practical matter, him actually appearing creates, you know, various issues, security, safety, use both for him and for the public. >> president obama didn't go back to illinois when he got a jury summons in 2010.
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"the chicago tribune" headline, presidential perk, obama gets out of local jury duty. his first state of the union was that very week. and not to forget ronald reagan when president he got a jury summons too. gary blare was the court's executive officer for santa barbara superior court who sent him the summons. he tells cnn, president reagan was willing to serve and his staff was very cooperative. we simply agreed it would be best that he perform his service on jury duty once his term in office was completed. this is a copy of his actual jury duty questionnaire affidavit. that phone number, it's the main white house switchboard. a public number. reagan provided the simple explanation -- presidential duties make it impossible to serve. experts say our public figures need to lead by example. and trump they say is doing just that. >> despite how you might feel about him politically, he send a very important message. i'm a citizen. and i have to play by the same
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rules. it doesn't matter how much money i have, doesn't matter if i am running for president. >> reporter: and we are right here at the courthouse in downtown new york city where donald trump spent the day. he actually has the gotten in the past five different summons for jury duty but said he never received any of them that. 's why he didn't come until today when he got one. well, cnn spoke with the new york commissioner of courts for the state and they say that it's true. donald trump has his name on a lot of buildings in the city it is quite possible the summons went to a building that had his name but where he wasn't actually living in. jim. >> incredible. thanks. allen fox served jury duty alongside donald trump. allen, thank you for joining us. was he treated differently by the court? by the other jurors? or was he lined up there like you and everybody else? >> honestly he walked in just like everybody else. there were media people lining
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the steps. they didn't, they didn't really ask me any questions when i walked up. they asked him some. but other than that he was treated like everyone else. sat in the same room with everyone else. when we want to lunch his car was parked in the, in the no parking zone out front. probably safer for him to be there. >> we have seen some pictures of trump on social media inside the courtroom. looks like he is sitting quietly among everyone else. what was he up to in there? was he on his phone? was he hanging out? was he taking a nap? >> yeah, the first half of all the day looked like he was kind of taking a nap. he just sat there quietly. everyone around him was very respectful. not really bugging him or anything. after lunch he talked more with people. kind of looked like a townhall sort of meet up. people came around and talked to him a little bit. he seemed very friendly. >> you have probably seen the reactions to him as he has been out campaigning. he has certainly got a following out there. did you sense in that jury room that people were with him? they wanted to hear what he had
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to say? >> i don't know if people are for him or against him. he makes people curious. that's what it seemed to feel like in the jury room. still over a year before the election. there were a ton of press people watching him go to jury duty. i think that speaks to how curious people are. people in the jury room. they didn't know what to make of him. anxious to hear what he had to say. make sure he was a live human beg and all that stuff. >> allen fox. thank you. awe >> thanks, jim. >> a whole new meaning to taking a highway exit. why do so many people choose aleve?
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welcome back. here is jeanne moos. >> reporter: when you are driving your dumptruck in the up position -- you're in no position to avoid demolishing an overhead sign even if the motorist behind you is blowing his horn to warn the truck driver on a highway in saudi arabia. the driver who is hospitalized told authorities it was a technical malfunction that caused the truck bed to go up as he drove. an extended dumptruck likewise
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plowed into the burlington skyway in ontario last year. that driver was charged with driving while impaired and criminal negligence. near moose jaw , saskatchewan. >> where is he from, ontario? >> reporter: trucks meet immovable structures. this railroad trestle is known as the can opener. at least 95 accidents have been caught on camera and posted to a website known by the height of the underpass. 1 11'8." there have even been two collisions on the same day. involving trucks from the same rental company. a resident compiles the video. >> just a hobby. >> reporter: drivers somehow manage not to notice the over height when flashing sign. there is another infamous railroad underpass in westwood,
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massachusetts. perhaps it is most famous victim was dubbed lobster-apocalypse, a truck carrying 11,000 pound of live lobsters hit the trestle starting a fire. the driver hopped out. police say there were no injuries unless you count any grilled crustaceans. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> holy moly! >> thank you for joining us tonight. always great to join you." "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thank you for joining us tonight. more signs that the trump campaign has staying power. more trouble for the republican establishment. national polling from fox news showing a 2:1 trump lead over the nearest rival. 2:1. neurosurgeon political outsider ben carson. followed by ted cruz, jeb bush, now at number 4. there are other signs that the trump campaign is serious about wing in iowa nationwide. we look for tonight. donald