tv Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield CNN August 18, 2015 9:00am-10:01am PDT
real. >> thanks, morton downey, jr. i guess. and thank you, bill carter, so much. you can watch the premier of the evocateur, the martin downey, jr., movie right here on cnn this thursday night, 9:00 p.m. eastern. thanks for watching "at this hour." "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. hello, everyone, i'm ashleigh banfield and welcome to "legal view." banish any notion that donald trump is just a flash in the pan. brand new polling numbers among republican voters put him far ahead of the other gop candidates. in fact, trump is more than 10 points ahead of former florida governor jeb bush who's the next one on the rung. i'll break it down for you. in the first opinion poll since
gop primary debate 12 days ago, trump has shot up six points to 24%. jeb bush actually lost ground, slipping to 13%. on the economy, illegal immigration, and social issues, trust has skyrocketed that trump is the man with the answers. that for the voters in the gop. the other candidates don't even come close to his numbers. and here's a surprise -- trump has a slightly higher favorability among republican women than he does among republican men. there's so much to digest here. so let's get right to it with cnn political reporter sara murray and cnn political director david chalian. i want to go right to those last numbers. the women, 60% for women? this after he accused a journalist who gave him tough questions of being on her monthly cycle? how do we explain that, david? >> i think we explain it that donald trump was very successful in taking that controversy and
make it yet again the media and the establishment turning against him. and that ride up his supporters. that rallies them to his cause because that is what they find so appealing is that he takes on the way things have been done in the past, politics as usual. >> so let's talk about the educated versus the less educated because there's some interesting numbers when you look at those. it turns out he has a very favorable opinion among those without college degrees. so 43% of those support him while those who are more educated with college degrees, it's 33% of those. i guess the question here, sarah, would be this. no matter how many crazy pipe dream things people criticize him for throwing out there as solutions to all that ails us, building a 2000 mile long wall that we'll report on shortly is unfeasible, will it matter to those who are less educated do
they care? >> i think the interesting thing about that is that donald trump despite being a billionaire and having working for his father has managed to tap into working class voters in a way that others in the republican field really haven't. voters are less kwrnd the specifics. that doesn't mean because you didn't go to college you won't have an opinion about his immigration plans or jobs plan, but they look at donald trump as an aspirational figure. this guy did well in business, he's made money and they trust that. >> voting for the guy, not necessarily the words or the platforms, et cetera. i've heard that before. here's something else i've heard before. the things gop candidates must have if they're considering throwing their hat in for a run for the top office, it's usually
this -- a political track record foreign policy expertise, national party backing, adherence to conservative value, an alliance with fox news and pretty much you can tick every one of those off as something donald trump has said no way. instead he's gone all anti-establish anti-establishme anti-establishment and he's tapped into that. david, we have heard of people being anti-establishment before. in fact, every election cycle all we ever hear is "i'm the outside guy, i'm not inside the beltway, i'm the man for change." why is this so different? >> i don't think we've had somebody quite as awe tentally outside the system that has the money and support he has at this stage of the game. he's tapped into something here. what's so interesting in our poll, ashleigh, if you're with donald trump, you're really with donald trump. is he has 98% favorability
amongst his supporters. of the most enthusiastic republican voters he's at that same dominant 24% as all republican voters overall. so he's got a real die hard fan club but the question is, if you're at 24%, you have 75% of the republican electorate who are either undecided or with someone else and in a very large field, that's good for donald trump but if the field starts to winnow and he ends up in a one on one or one on two conversation with someone ev eventually that will recalculate the entire lech snort is. >> i'll throw some other things that the republican voters were asked. this defies all logic. i don't understand the juggernaut given the answers to the next polling question that is this. the republicans have a better chance in 2016 of winning 38%
say yes with trump, but 58% say they have a better chance of winning if they dump trump. so how do we explain such soaring popularity when deep down they don't think he can win? >> i think this speaks to two things one, like david said, there are one in four republican voters that are with trump and that means there are three out of four republican voters not with trump so that's what you're seeing. the other thing we're seeing is there are a lot of people who are enthusiastic about donald trump who are not traditional republicans is we talked to people considering hillary and donald trump so not everyone who is pro-trump is necessarily a republican. and the other part of donald trump's appeal, let's be honest, he's a celebrity. when you see him in a huge crowd of people in a place like the iowa state fair, some folks just want to get a selfie with the guy they've seen on tv.
>> well, it looks like fun. even outside the jury room it looked like fun. showing up at manhattan supreme court in lower manhattan would be fun. i want to make sure our audience know, don't miss the next republican debate. we have it on cnn at the ronald reagan library in california on september 16. set your tivos, your dvr, whatever you have. watch it live. also, cnn will host the first of six democratic debates as well october 13. that debate will be held in nevada. up next, i just mentioned it. trump's plan to big that build old wall between mexico and the united states. that's 2000 miles long. is it possible? we'll take you to the border and walk it and show you why that may not be all he says it could be.
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. donald trump has been making pretty huge campaign promises and his critics are calling some of them pure fantasies. takes for instance this plan to build an impenetrable wall on the border between the united states and mexico and then make mexico actually pay for that wall. here's donald trump outlining his plan at the iowa state fair this weekend. >> you are going to love me n terms of immigration and illegal immigration. we're building a wall, it's going to be a wall that is not -- nobody is going through my walls. trump builds walls, i build wall. we're building a wall, it's going to be strong, it's going to be solid, it's going to be police. somebody said they can tunnel under. that's true but with x-ray equipment they can't. all you have to do is fly a
drone over it. >> there's a loat of wall to fl drones over. is it possible to build a wall that stretches the nearly 2,000 miles of the southern united states border? think about it. a lot of states, a lot of land owners, a lot of everything. cnn's gary tuchman picks apart trump's plan and he does it at the border. >> can a continuous wall be built along the entire 1,954 mile border shared by the united states and mexico? and be impenetrable like donald trump says he wants? or even close to impenetrable? well, it helps to know some precedent. there are some tall border waltz like this one in nogales, arizona. they are challenging to go over, through, or under, but it happens all the time. they are not impenetrable. but this is harder to pass than this. this much more commonly seen border fence along the mexico/u.s. frontier. railroad ties, a seven-foot fence, barbed wire which you you
have been see, but the barbed wire is very easy to cut and if someone is motivated to go through this desert here in southeast heern arizona where w are right now, they can get through. and we'll give you an idea of how easy it to s to cut, there's no fence here anymore, just railroad ties. so now i'm in mexico, anyone would come through here just has to go under the railroad tie and they're in the united states. so obviously a big wall keeps people out much better than this does and you can build much more big wall along the border. but can you build a continuous wall from the pacific ocean in california to the gulf of mexico in texas? the answer is no. there are a number of reasons for that. firstly, we start with the fact that there are many ranchers who own land along the border who would all have to sell their land to the federal government. then you have indian reservations that are on the border. then you're dealing with the issue of the topography. steep terrain, mountains,
streams make it impossible or nearly impossible to build a 15 or 20-foot concrete or steel wall. you can build a fence here like the one that's here right now. but once you get to this fence you would always have a gap right here, maybe a wall on this side, wall on this side and immigrants going under this fence. donald trump says to believe him when he exclaims that nobody will get through the wall he will build. but the facts on the ground indicate that at the very least it will be a promise that is quite challenging to keep. gary tuchman, cnn, santa cruz county, arizona. coming up, a case of -- a rape case involving a very elite boys school, one that actually john kerry graduated from along with a number of other dignitaries. this time there are accusations at this school that there are lists and contests involving young girls and suggestions this kind of activity has gone on for
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robert mueller, and the list goes on and on. it's called st. paul's and attorneys say they are about to expose a secret culture where graduating boys compete to sleep with as many younger students as possible. according to the associated press, labrie told police he wanted to be number one in that contest. he's now charged with sexually assaulting a 15-year-old girl on the roof of a campus building last year. and get this? his attorney is the same person who defended mobster whitey bulger. boris sanchez looks at the case of the scandal that has rocked this prestigious school. >> reporter: six congressmen, 13 u.s. ambassadors and our current secretary of state, john kerry, have all called this prestigious prep school home. but today the steep traditions of st. paul's school in concord, new hampshire, are getting a closer look as allegations of rape put the school under a spotlight.
19-year-old owen labrie has been charged with the sexual assault of a 15-year-old student on campus last year, just two days before his graduation. citing a police interview with labrie, the associated press reports the alleged rape may have been part of a tradition called the senior salute. the concord "monitor's" jeremy blackman says labrie was not in the contest alone. >> this case raised an issue that a number of students are taking part in a -- annual tradition of competing with one another to have sexual encounters with underclassmen. >> reporter: according to the a.p., senior boys kept a running tally of sexual encounters with marker on a laundry room wall and later the teen told detectives he was trying to be number one. >> owen labrie claims that there were a couple of different kinds of senior salute, some them were not sexual at all, some that were just going for a walk with a student or kissing someone.
>> reporter: court documents obtained by blackman show labrie's encounter went well beyond kissing. >> according to his account, she was acting very aggressively towards him and that he in fact had a condom in his pocket that she pulled out, according to his account, and that he put it on but both divine intervention and that it went no further than that. >> reporter: according to the "monitor" however, a medical examination shows the female student had a "laceration that would be consistent with penetration having occurred." labrie has pled not guilty to all charges. a spokesperson for st. paul's tells cnn "current allegations about our culture are not emblematic of our school or our values, our rule, or the people who represent our student body, alumni, faculty, and staff." >> thanks to boris sanchez for that report. i want to get into the legal view on this case with cnn legal analyst paul callan and criminal
defense attorney and former prosecutor as well as hln legal analyst and defense attorney joey jackson. gentlemen, one of the first things that stood out to me was the notion that prosecutors want to bring in the culture of the school. isn't every case individual unto its own? how can they do that? >> it's a fascinating question here because usually guilt by association is not admitted in an american courtroom. however, in this case it may be linked closely enough to the defendant that it's admissible. just to give you an example of a case that i was involved with involving the held's angels motorcycle gang. if there's an initiation procedure that involves the killing of a rival gang member and you can say that an individual a member of held's angels and he's part of the initiation process, it might be admissible. now from hell's angels to st. paul's, they're saying it's the senior salute, they do it and it's proof. >> joey, there's a big fight
over getting a list that apparently the allegation is that owen labrie was in possession of. it might have been his list of names of young girls and the alleged victim in this case is in all caps. >> only one in all caps. >> the only one. and that's pretty devastating stuff. but, again, i look at that as sure that can tell you there's motivation, intent, but don't you have to prove that there's a rape? >> it's so important and your question as to the culture and this list go to the heart of the matter. every case, ashleigh, has to stand on its own merits. it's not about the culture of a school, it's not about what my friends did, my associates did. it's what i did. every case turns on the fact of your individual conduct. to that point, i get and understand that the culture of the school and that list, ashleigh, could come in for a variety of reasons. number one, to show motive. number two to show intent. number three to show it's part of a plan, part of a scheme. however, is it overly prejudicial? will the jury now say "we hate
the culture of that school, it's outrageous, the culture of this school, he must have done it." that's the risk as a judge that you run in allowing this evidence to come forward and be heard. >> let me ask you about the school in this case. unbelievable the list of the kinds of people that went to this school. we're talking about dignitaries, chief executive, writers, ambassador, secretary of state, many members of congress. i think over a half dozen members of congress. what about the legacy of the school. what about the liability of the school in this place? >> well, if there was in fact this culture of rape or this senior salute tradition the school would be responsible for not pro venti not preventing it from happening. and look at the roster, was this going on when john kerry was at st.fal st. paul? it's shocking. but one thing supreme to
understand, when an 18-year-old has sex with 15-year-old, that's a crime whether she consents or not. >> so they have to prove sex. >> as long as there's no sexual -- even sexual contact with her of any kind what is criminal under the law. >> there's the romeo and juliet law. >> paul is right however your liability is far less so if it's consensual, it's a misdemeanor. that's one year. the felonious assault count which he's charged for the lack of consent, that's 10 to 20 years. if they establish it was consensual, it's a win for the defense but still criminality. >> i hope they get this one right. that kid was destined for harvard and now he's not enrolled for the fall. this is a very tough case on both sides thank you so much, appreciate it. coming up next from the campaign trail, hillary clinton's closed-door investigation with black lives matter activists. we've got the video. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare?
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last year. the public is seeing for the first time a closed door meeting between hillary clinton and black lives matter representatives that happened last week. "good" magazine obtained and published the 15 minute video shot by black lives matter representatives. at times during 15 minute conversation, the exchange does become tense. the three activists from the black lives matter movement press mrs. clinton on issues of mass incarceration involving african-americans here in the united states. it's a 15-minute tape but we're going to show you the essence of the conversation, but i do encourage you to go to good magazine online and watch the full exchange as they have it there. here's a clip of the first question that was posed to senator clinton. >> it's a pleasure and honor to be in this dialogue with you. but i think a huge part of what you haven't said is that you've offered a recognition to that mass incarceration has not
worked and that is the unfortunate consequence of government practices that just didn't work. but the truth is that there's an extremely long history of unfortunate government practices that don't work that particularly affect black people and black families. and until we as a country and as a person choosing the seat that you choose chooses anti-blackness dhaurnt is america's first drug, we here in a meeting about drugs. america's first drug is free black labor. and turning black bodies into profit. and the mass incarceration system mirrors an awful lot like the prison plantation system. it's a similar thread. and until someone takes that message and speaks that truth to white people in this country so that we can actually take on
anti-blackness as a founding problem in this country, i don't believe that there's going to be a solution because what the conversations that are happening now and why there's so much cohesion across the divide -- the red side and blue side -- is money. we've spent a lot of money on prison. we spend more money on prisons than we do on schools. but if we look at it from a lens of let's solve this financial problem and we don't look at the greater bottom line, that african-americans who are americans are suffering at greater rates than most other people, every other people, for the length of the country, it's not going go away, it's going to morph into something new and evolved. >> the next clip i'm going to play is part of the response that clinton had to that question. >> well, it's a thoughtful
question and it deserves a thoughtful answer. i can only tell you that i feel very committed to and responsible for doing whatever i can. i have spent most of my adult life focused on kids through the churn's defense fund and other efforts to give kids, particularly poor kids, particularly black kids and hispanic kids the same chance to live up to their own god given potential as any other kid. that's where i've been focused. and i think that there has to be a reckoning. i agree with that. but i also think there has to be some positive vision and plan that you can move people toward. once you say "you know, this country has still not recovered from its original sin --" which is true. once you say that, then the next question by people who are on
the sidelines, which is the vast majority of americans, the next question "well, so what do you want know do about it? what am i supposed to do about it?" that's what i'm trying to put together in a way that i can explain it and i can sell it. because in politics you can't explain it and you can't sell it. it stays on the shelf and this is now a time, a moment in time just like the civil rights movement or the women's movement or the gay rights movement or a lot of other movements reached a point in time, the people behind that consciousness raising and advocacy they had a plan ready to go. so when you turn to the women's movement, we want to pass this and that, problems are not all taken care of, we know that. obviously i know more about the civil rights movement in the old days because had a lot of involvement in working with people so they had a plan, this piece of legislation, this court
case we're going to makes et cetera, et cetera. same with the gay rights movement. we're sick of homophobia, we're sick of being discriminated against, we want marriage equality, we're starting in the states aened we'll keep going until we get it. so all i'm saying is your analysis is totally fair. it's historically fair, it's psychologically fair, it's economically fair. but you're going to have to come together as a movement and say "here's what we want done about it." >> okay, so there is clearly more. i want to show you now the end of the conversation between secretary clinton and the black lives matter representatives. >> i want to say this as respectfully as i can. but if you don't tell black people what we need to do then we won't tell you what we need to do. >> i want you to tell me. >> what i mean to say is this has always been a white problem of violence.
it's not -- there's not much that we can do to stop the violence against us. and the conversation is the pushback. >> i understand what you're saying. but respectfully if that is your position then i will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems. >> that's not what i mean. but what i'm saying is what you just said was a form of victim blaming. you were saying that what the black lives matter movement needs to do to change white hearts is to talk about poli policy -- >> no, i don't believe you change hearts. i believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate. you're not going to change every heart. you're not. but at the end of the day we can do a whole lot to change some hearts and some systems and create more opportunities for people who deserve to have them. to live up to their own god given potential.
to have a decent school, to have a decent house to have a decent future. so we can do it one of many ways. you can keep the movement going, which you have started and through it you may actually change some hearts. but if that's all that happens we'll be back here in ten years having the same conversations. because we will not have all of the changes that you deserve to see happen in your lifetime because of your willingness to get out there and talk about this. >> thanks, we have to go. >> thank you for doing this. i appreciate this. i'm ready to do my part to do anything in any way i can. >> this is a very long conversation, 15 minutes worth of tape so make sure you go on and check the full unedited version of that conversation. also, stay with cnn because next hour wolf blitzer will speak with two of the activists you just saw in that videotaped meeting with secretary clinton. you can hear what they have to say straight from the horses'
mouth at 1:00 p.m. check that out. activists have been outraged when police officers involve in shootings have escaped justice. in a courtroom, a white officer facing manslaughter charges for killing an unarmed black man, the closing arguments in that case are coming today. we'll tell you about it next.
closing arguments happening this morning in the trial of a white police officer charged with manslaughter after killing an unarmed black man looking for help after wrecking his car. the shooting happened in a matter of seconds. look at the dash cam video showing a man walking and then suddenly rushing towards police officers. this is what they saw. there was an order to get on the ground several times but seconds afterwards everyone's off camera range at this point, you can hear the burst of gunfire. officer randall kerik says he fired that gun in self-defense. the incident nearly two years ago is another entry in a pattern of violent run ins between white cops and black victims across the country. jonathan pharrell was 24 years old. his attorney said he was the victim of unnecessary force. cnn's alina machado is covering the trial and we'll get the perspective of former judge
alexer if rare as well. alina, wrap up for me. since we here in the closing arguments, where does this case stand? >> ashleigh, the jury spent the morning listening to closing arguments. it started with the prosecutors telling the jury that officer randall kerik made bad choices that night. choices that led to the use of excessive force and that ended jonathan farrell's life. they remind it had jury that kerik shut down his camera before his encounter with farrell and the only video they have came from one of the other responding officers. listen to this. >> thankfully, officer neal had his d.m.v.r. on. because if he hadn'ted that d.m.r.r. on, ladies and gentlemen, we wouldn't know the truth. we wouldn't know that on the
morning of september 14, 2013, that jonathan farrell was unarm ed. that jonathan farrell posed no threats, no harm to the officers on the scene. we wouldn't know these thing, ladies and gentlemen, if it wasn't for that dmvr. jonathan farrell would have been another young man who died at the hands of the police. >> now, the defense meanwhile argued their client was in the fight for his life. they reminded the jury that he was just doing his job that night. that he requested to add himself to the call because it was a priority one call and even though kerik made several statements right after the shooting, he still chose to take the stand to explain his actions to jurors. here's part offer the rick's testimony from last week.
>> i thought i was going to die. >> why. >> because nothing i would do would stop him. >> what was the reason you continued to fire your rep? >> he wouldn't stop. he kept trying to get to my gun. >> the defense attorney said that dna was found under farrell's fingernails and the defense claims it's possible the accident happened after farrell tried to break into the house. the state called that theory a distraction in its rebuttal. kerrick is on trial for voluntary manslaughter. the jury is expected to start deliberating at some point this afternoon, ashleigh. >> alina, keep an eye on that. judge alex, i need you to weigh in on something. at first blush, you look at that, you see the video, it's all very uncomfortable, no other images after that critical moment, but there is this from the medical examiner that
jonathan farrell was on top of officer kerrick during a majority of the shooting. what does that speak to? >> well, it certainly boosts his self-defense claim that he's not standing over him shooting him. the perpetrator, in his eyes, in this case farrell is on top of him. we see a lot of shootings in the news involving white officers and black individuals. it is, i think, unrepresentative of what's really happening out there. if you just take those type of shootings and play them over and over and over again it looks like a huge pattern. but so many more shootings occur involving white individuals that aren't shown. of the ones that we do see a lot of the white officer on black individual shootings are completely justified from a reasonableness standpoint. what the courts look at is the perspective of the officer who has a guy charging at him. according to the medical examiner, straddling him at the
time. >> this is what doesn't make sense, and i'm only speaking to this case, not the larger issue you just pointed out which i think a lot of our viewers would argue. there have been so many of these cases. the black lives matter movement was born of this. >> of course, but it's a perceptions but issue. >> just to this particular case, while enough circumstance where the he's report, which m the m.e's report which says mr. farrell was on top, you have the police officer saying they don't back the actions of this officer. so while the me seems to back the actions of the officer, his own department said the evidence revealed mr. farrell did advance on officer kerrick and it shows the shooting was excessive. officer kerrick did not have a lawful right to discharge his weapon during the encounter. >> i don't know which policy they're referring to. but there's a difference between police department policy and self-defense under the law. a police department can tell you don't shoot except under these
particular circumstances. >> surely self-defense has to be part of the policy. >> well, you would think so, but a lot of police departments have gotten very pro effective recently. so if you violate police department policy as a police officer you can be fired but that doesn't mean you would not be found to have acted in self-defense. there's certainly unjustifiable shootings that we see on the news. the guy in south carolina shot in the back by the cop, that speaks of murder. but the police officer working from a perspective he doesn't know what this guy's intention is when he's charging at him, if you have a medical examiner that says he's on top of them, that strengthens his self-defense claim. >> we are at closings now so i think that we'll have a jury decision if not soon within days. judge alex, appreciate it as always. up next, few criminals in american history are as notorious as charles manson. his evil "family" committed seven murders including actress sharon tate, one of the most famous. a bloody crime that just had hollywood terrorized and he's the subject of a brand new cnn
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tonight at 9:00 eastern, cnn will look at the infamous charles manson murders in 1969. the special is called "face of evil." it's a gripping look at how manson was able to convince his followers to murder actress sharon tate and her friends. here's a quick clip. >> they found no evidence of robbery.
no suggestion of murder. no suggestion of motive. >> it sent this wave of panic through los angeles and the hollywood community. if they can get to a movie star, if they can get to a coffee heiress they can get to anybody. >> i was just sitting there watching tv. >> then 17 years old, barbara hoyt remembers the news reports about the murders. she was living on a ranch outside of l.a. with a group of friends. >> they all came in and watched the news and the first story was on about the sharon tate murders. somebody said something at the time and they all laughed. i didn't see anything funny in it at all. >> reporter: they lived on this abandoned movie set where a charismatic self-styled guru named charles manson led a group of impressionable young followers. >> they worshiped charlie like a god. >> reporter: but in the days after the murder, charlie seemed dangerous and unhinged.
. >> he was almost in a frantic state, i would say. he was very worried. >> reporter: so was hoyt. she knew something was very wrong, but she didn't know what -- and neither did police. it would be months of false leads and missed opportunities for them to unravel the mystery of the seven savage murders. >> just amazing. sara sidner is live here now. 45 years later and the most inspected case arguably of all time that we're still learning new information. >> after talking to some different people, i didn't realize it. there was a reporter regularly visiting manson in prison during the trial. is he was sending her letters and talking to her, trying to manipulate her the way he manipulated these young women. said said something about him that struck me and that was when you here in the room with charles manson, it's like no one else is in the room with you. he never stopped staring into your eyes. and this gaze is what a lot of people talked about in the
trial. he picked out jurors and he would stare at them and stare at reporters and was almost like a power play. a lot of people very spooked by him and that's why this trial went on and on and on because there was so much evidence but so many murders. and here's the weird thing. these letters that he wrote to h her, we're now learning about. i can't wait for this. i don't know why. 45 years later, still one of my favorite cases, sara sidner, welcome, appreciate. "faces of evil" charles manson murders right here on cnn. thanks for watching, everyone. "wolf" starts after this break.
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