tv Legal View With Ashleigh Banfield CNN August 28, 2015 9:00am-10:01am PDT
>> how was no one injured in that? amazing. >> terrifying. >> thankfully no one was hurt there and thankfully we have made it to the weekend. thank you for joining us at this hour. >> "legal view" with ashleigh banfield starts right now. hello, everyone, i'm ashleigh banfield, welcome to "legal view." we want to start this hour with a state of emergency in florida where tropical storm erika has the potential to cause very damaging flooding. right now it's making its way through the caribbean ravaging the tiny island of dominica. have a listen to what we're seeing. [ screaming ] >> that building that you're seeing collapsing is a school. dominica's prime minister says at least 12 people at this stage
are dead on his island. more than 20 people are unaccounted for at this time. the pictures are incredible. chad myers is tracking the storm from the cnn weather center in atlanta. chad? >> this thing could be a hurricane but the forecast is for it not to be one because it's going to drive itself over so much land. the first land will be the dominican republic and haiti. the secondary ya is over parts of cuba and the third area will be over florida. at least that's the center of the cone of uncertainty. now, here's where it gets interesting. if the storm misses the cone or stays on the right side of the cone it could become a hurricane here in the very warm water of the atlantic because of the gulf stream. it could continue to go to the south of cuba and end up in the gulf of mexico. that's a possibility. this storm has defied all of the models for the past three to four days. it's either north or south, it's
just not reacting properly. i think the storm models are getting a better handle on it today saying probably over florida for most of its lifetime. if this happens it will be a 45 mile per hour tropical storm making heavy rain over florida. they need the rain. they'll take it. what you're seeing in the dominican republic and haiti is possibly flooding rainfall like they had in dominica. have a great weekend. >> chad, thank you for that. we will tap in to find out what happens with this storm. in the meantime, i want to move on to the live television double murder that happened this week in virginia and what we are learning about it today. the governor there, terry mcauliffe, is in roanoke right now. i'm going to take you live there in just a moment but we are also looking into the solitary, angry, and bizarre line life of the man who walked up and gunned down two young tv journalists live on the air.
vester flanagan knowingly or not actually helped the police pinpoint his location when he was on the run after killi ing alison parker and adam ward. he texted his friend and said he'd done "something stupid." that text with his phone number attached probably led police right to him. it doesn't appear flanagan wanted to be caught, strangely enough, because police found all kinds of things in his car that make them think he was trying to get away and stay away, hidden. they found a wig and sunglasses and several different license plates in that rental car. and this, look at vester flanagan's home. we got access to video of the killer's apartment in roanoke. there's really not much in there but there are a lot of pictures of himself, a bare mattress, and a computer. we have some other material, too. the killer's suicide letter, his
work history, what former co-workers are saying about him as well. we're going to try to get inside the man's state of mind, his madness, with a psychoanalyst and former fbi agent, that's coming up in just a moment. but before that, i want you to listen to the gauche of virginia terry mcauliffe on a radio program a short time ago. >> i called all the parents. as i say it's the hardest thing you do, you get on the phone, you want -- on behalf of the commonwealth it breaks your hear heart. we have five children, i speak for the parents. you're watching your daughter, your son on tv doing their job. it just breaks your heart. >> cnn's polo sandoval is live in roanoke right now. what is the governor saying to people who are still so shaken up in that community by what happened to seemingly people they felt they knew? >> well, ashleigh, i can tell you governor mcauliffe inside
the studios of wdbj speaking with the station's staff, the management, offering words of condolence and comfort because they are some of the other key players in this story. the news team here that has displayed extraordinary resilience as they continue to cover their market here and i think that speaks volumes, especially when they continue to see the support. you see one makeshift memorial behind the podium where we expect governor mcauliffe to say a few comments in the next few moments and we believe that's what he's doing according to station manager jeff marks meeting with not only the employees here but also the family members here offering the state's condolences and as you just heard, he offered that human connection himself actually having according to his comments here a daughter the age of alison parker. clearly a difficult phone call he's had to make not only to her family but also for adam as well. that's what we expect is
happening inside we expect the governor to step out in the next few minutes and offer a few comments. >> and polo obviously the microscope has been searing on this person and his background and actions. we're learning more about his purchasing of those guns as well. >> weapons that were legally purchased according to authorities and this is playing out at the television station that investigation continues from-to-press forward. and it's really answering a lot of questions but leading to others. we have a long list of items recovered from the vehicle. flanagan, it seems he may not have been planning the suicide itself but one final desperate move as police were colliesing in. >> our polo sandoval live in roanoke, virginia, outside of wdbj, thank you for that. i have spent a lot of this morning reading about this killer's past, including his work history, the fact that he
bounced around from job to job sometimes just within or around a year and what his former co-workers and bosses have been to say about him on the record formally. now thanks to you are a access to video and evidence from plan ban's car and apartment we can start to piece together a clear er but yet disturbing picture of this murderer. jonathan gilliam is a former police officer and gail salts is a psychologist. as we were prying to piece together about the information that have flooded in about this man, we are confounded by the mixed signals. suicide notes, suggestions to others "i'm going out with a bang." and yet, you know, evidence that shows he was planning possibly to be on the run, renting a car, wigs, shawls, sunglasses. it's very confusing.
and yet it's not. it's a person who's long standingly been highly suspicious, interprets everything from the outside world as being an attack against him and becomes very, very angry about that. easily slighted. very grand yois with grandiose aspirations that he couldn't meet and so this plan even that he hatched and committed was also grandiose, to film what he did, to have an idea that he could get away. it all smacks of something that actually -- i can't diagnose someone who i've never met. >> obviously. >> but it sounds like paranoid personality disorder and the important thing people have to understand is many people who commit these mass crimes have this style of think iing and th will never come to mental health care. they will never be the person who comes. >> you can't understand someone who's on the run and wants to hide and clearly drove 200 miles
after this double murder with somebody who's tweeting out realtime what he did. videotaping it. >> because it's not a thought of the most important thing is escape. the most important thing is fame, infamy, getting my name out there, being remembered, being splashy and big. that's consistent with being grandiose. >> jonathan, with your investigative background, i was looking at the search inventory from the car and i think we may have those pictures. the thought is from early investigators is that he shot himself while driving and crashed that rental car. and this is the search inventory and return list of what they fund glock pistol, not surprising. six glock magazines. assorted handwritten and typed letters and notes. 17 different stamped letters. three license plates, wig, shawl, umbrella, sunglasses, and the rental agreement. but those very random
collections of things must say more to you than they do to me even though to me they show a troubled person who is going to make even more pronouncements. will these things ever become public? these letters and handwritten note he is left behind in that car? >> i don't know. that really depends on the -- whoever the prosecutor is and whether or not they feel that's pertinent to release those things. >> we're not prosecute ago person anymore. he's dead. >> i know. >> there will be no murder case. >> i don't know. that's the political agenda of whoever's handling that case and whether or not they want the exposure for that. i would like to see it so that we can get a little bit of an insight into this. i think it's very important for people to see this because what i've learned and i think dr. saltz will agree with me on this, everyone has anger, it's natural emotion, but if you have anger issues but you don't do exercises to calm those down, don't seek treatment, that anger
threshold goes lower and lower and then eventually that turns into rage. you can't sustain rage so you will be angry for a period and then it will boil down but you're still raged on the inside. and what i've seen with people like this is that the longer you're raged, the more sporadic your entire life becomes and so when you look at these different individuals or you look at their home, their homes are a direct reflection. and i think what's interesting about his home is that there's nothing there. >> since you're referencing the home and dr. saltz this will be great for you. you didn't treat him but you can get a look inside his apartment. it's austere. one thing that stood out -- and this will be a flash-by -- is the fridge covered with photographs of himself. he was a male model, he was very buff at one point. there is discussion of him having run an escort part of his life at one point. but does this help you to understand anything? >> yeah, because i think it's consistent with what i was speaking about earlier, the idea that this person was very
isolated. he couldn't get along with others. why? every time he tried to relate to others he felt they were attacking him. unrealistically so. maybe even to a psychotic level at some point. and the refrigerator is covered only in him. >> dishes still left in the sink here. >> well, he was clearly spiraling downhill. he may have also been depressed. for men who become very depressed it's often expressed in anger. it often becomes rage. it's clear he could have used some treatment but i think what we have to think about going forward the the mental health system has to be included in this gun discussion. because these are kinds of people that are never going to enter the system voluntarily. either a workplace will have to enter them into the system or we have to look at other methods of gun control. >> all i can say about that is from legal filings, the station where he was last employed, where he attacked his former co-workers, implored him as part of his deal, by friday you must see a representative from our health unit, from our mental
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shootings was a ticking time bomb. vest eer flanagan's former boss said he knew it. wdbj former news director dan dennison called the police to escort him out of the building on the day he was fired. he was worried about his own safety, he was worried about the safety of his staff. mr. denison calls it the toughest termination he ever ordered. all of this raises the question -- why don't companies warn prospective employers about potentially dangerous workers they've had in their buildings? what are their responsibilities to do so, even if they might face possible legal action for doing so? i want to talk about this with cnn's legal analyst paul callan and mel robbins. before i begin to ask you questions i think our viewers to deserve to hear what some of the on-the-record facts are about this man's behavior in this newsroom. you'll have to bear with me.
it's remarkable. in the lawsuit filings he filed against wdbj there is an e-mail from an employer saying there was a heated confrontation with another reporter inside a station live truck. you lost your temper and used verbal and body language that left co-workers feeling threatened and extremely uncomfortable. this from another employee at that station regarding the termination date and what happened. bryce pushed away from the table and said "i'm not leaving. you're going to have the call the effing police. call the police, i'm not leaving. i'm going to make a stink and it's going to be in the headlines." from that same termination day, the termination record of events says bryce stood up abruptly, stormed out of the room and slammed the door, this caused members of the sales team to take shelter in a locked office. and this might be the most disturbing. on the termination day, two police officers came into the newsroom and they told bryce that the company wanted him off the property.
the officer began to take the phone and bryce said "take your hands off me, leave me alone." the officers continued to tell bryce he needed to leave. bryce then tossed a hat and a small wooden cross at dan -- the boss -- and said "you need this." i understand that employers have to be very careful about saying things about former employees because they can be smacked with libel suit bus when it gets to the level where police are afraid and locking themselves in offices, should they be concerned about a libel suit at that point? >> well, i don't think they have to be concerned about a libel suit when there's this kind of behavior except in one circumstance, and this is why i think we've got on the the point in the civil lawsuit area where disturbing things are happening. i've seen a pattern of it and it works this way. he starts a lawsuit making false complaints and there is a quiet settlement negotiated with the
confidentiality agreement and here's what goes into those agreements. if another employer calls, we will simply confirm dates of employment. we won't l not answer any questions about your behavior. that's a routine clause in employment litigation and i can't tell you how many cases there are like this with disturbed prior employees who go from one employer to another and no one knows about the history. >> he did this twice. he settled in two different lines with two different stations. this included after having launched these lawsuits at them. so what you're saying effectively, and, mel, jump in on this, is that the station's hands were tied by the simple agreement they had to sign? >> well, they're tied by more than that because under the federal disabilities act, a mental health issue is a protected class. so you are not under the law allowed to disclose any medical information. you're not allowed to disclose, as paul was saying, the terms of any settlement. you have a very litigious former
employee on your hands. now, that doesn't preclude somebody from saying yes he was employed here. good luck. >> with a tone of voice? >> yes. but if the person's not hired, he could easily sue the former employers and allege in a lawsuit that he was defamed and that's why he was not -- >> with good luck? >> well, not with good luck. >> tone of voice. >> well, i think a lot of employers want to avoid this with an employee that was this volatile, this litigious. >> one last question and that's this. if a company gets a phone call about a former employee who has any kind of record like this, especially when police were called, i mean, police were there. there's a record of that. can that company say "yes, we'll confirm he worked here and i refer you to the police department for any further information"? >> no. >> but it's a fact. there's a police report. it's a fact. >> it's illegal to consider
somebody's arrest in hiring them in many states. so even if they did a criminal background check and you find that somebody has been arrested, in many states it's illegal to discriminate against somebody in the hiring process because they have been arrested before. this is a very volatile very tricky legal area for employers, which is why so many employment lawyers advise their civil clients to just say the dates. >> the key in this area -- and this is important -- we need a change in the law that doesn't permit confidentiality agreements. the public has a right to know about the prior history of these people in the court system. we have to change the law. >> especially when police are involved and that's public record as well. paul and mel, stay with us. still ahead on "legal view," a prospective harvard divinity student accused of raping a prep school freshman is awaiting his day of judgment from nine men and three women who at this moment are deciding that young man's fate.
i want to go live to where governor terry mcauliffe is speaking live outside wdbj that happened two days ago. >> i spoke to both alan and barbara, they spent a long time with them but we just want to come down and convey our sympathies today. i spoke to tim gardner yesterday after vicki has come out of her surgery. they're optimistic about the progress for vicki for the
commonwealth of virginia, our nation and the whole globe when you think about the senseless tragedy. dorothy and i have five children, we have a daughter same age as alison and it's so senseless and i want to remind everybody we are going to do everything we can to keep our community safe. i want to thank jeff and all the folks at wdbj. the courage and determination that they showed is truly, truly extraordinary. >> reporter: [ inaudible question ] >> it's hard. a lot of the staff crying, rightfully so, it's a very, very, very sad time. they lost two colleagues, more importantly lost two friends. we had a conversation with chris who's here with us today and words can't dine describe it and i want everybody here to
understand that we are there for them today, tomorrow, and any time in the future. i said if there's anything that of the resources of the commonwealth of virginia. >> alison's father said he wanted to close loopholes in gun laws for people that are mentally unstable to get a gun. he said he'd talk to you about that. what are your plans? >> well, he did. and we just had another long conversation. he's going to do, as he told me, what alison would have wanted him to do -- to fight to make our community safer. he wants to be a very vocal advocate for vunersal background checks and i've talked about that every single day. i talked about it, i introduced legislation and he wants to be involved in those efforts because he said that's what alison would want. something came out of this horrible tragedy, some good came out of it and if we can work
together and do the best we can to keep our communities safer. my job as governor is to keep our community safe. when you drop off a loved one at school or work, you want to know you've done everything you can to keep those communities safe. we lose on average 89 individuals a day to gun violence. there are too many guns in america and there's clearly too many guns in the wrong hands so we'll continue to do what we can. >> reporter: you say do what you can. >> i'll introduce legislation, as i did this session, i'll introduce legislation again. and on background checks, as i say, i'm a gun owner, i hunt, i like to take my boys hunting. i've gone through the process of background checks.
you hand your license over, it takes maybe two or three minutes. two or three minutes to find out if there's an issue of mental illness, is there an issue of violence, domestic abuse, stalking, some basic issues of an individual who should not own a firearm and i just think that's a common sense -- and a vast majority of americans support. >> reporter: tim gardner, whose wife vicki survived the attack, he said if this murderer didn't have a gun he would have had a machete or a knife. so what do you think of that? >> even if we do move forward and can get some safe common sense gun restrictions, you're still not going to stop the violence. this individual had gone through a background check so the point is you won't stop all violence. the point is are we doing everything that we possibly can to keep our communities as safe
as possible. if we could have background checks in one individual next week, next month, or next year is prohibited from buying a firearm and we save a life then it's worth doing it. so i'm trying to look at this in the broader perspective of what we should be doing. and as i say this is common sense and a right thing for virginia, a right thing for our nation. we have, as you know, if you go to a gun show, there are big signs in certain booths that say "come by your gun here we don't do background checks here." why would you need a sign like that? to me, spend the two or three minutes for any individual, you walk into a bar you have to hand over your license to be checked are you old enough to buy a beer and yet we don't require that for an individual who can purchase a firearm. my message today and why i'm
here today with dorothy is one of sympathy to the staff here at wdbj. their courage but also the community at large and i would also like to say finally i want to thank all the law enforcement personnel involved. the franklin county sheriffs, the virginia state police. obviously we've learned today that this individual had a lot more ammunition and more intent to hurt a lot more people we believe and i just want to thank the law enforcement team who were able to stop this individual before one other individual, before one other virginian was hurt. so i want to thank them. i want to reach out to the roanoke community. to the folks at smith mountain lake, dorothy and i had just come back from smith mountain lake. we spent a week there with our five children. we rented our boats from roy and mary at the bridgewater marina so we just want to come here today and say the commonwealth of virginia is grieving but we
will be there for you in the future. thank you. >> reporter: as a follow-up on that, does it appear that he did not want to commit suicide -- >> well, as we heard today there was more ammunition in the car, he had more self-addressed envelopes so we clearly can't get into his mind and find out what he was planning to do but obviously there was some bad intentions and i'm just thankful our law enforcement did it in a man nor individuals were hurt. thank you. you're seeing the search inventory list right there as governor terry mccouauliffe of virginia and his wife leave the microphones that were set up outside wdbj the television station outside roanoke where adam ward and alison parker worked before they were gunned down live on television two days ago. the gunman talking about the efforts now to fight an uphill
battle many people consider in terms of universal background checks for gun purchases. this is also something you should know if you had not witnessed this that alison parker's father andy parker has been on television for all within hours of his own daughter being murdered advocating for universal background checks trying to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally disturbed. you're seeing chris hurst in the blue shirt. this is the boyfriend of alison parker, he's also one of the main anchors at wdbj. he's been talking a lot about his girlfriend and what the loss has meant for not only him but also the staff there at wdbj. again, the governor having met with the staff inside the station just earlier today as we were hearing just earlier on this program and came out to address the public.
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right now in new hampshire nine men and three women are deliberating the fate of a prep school graduate who's accused of raping a freshman girl when she was 15 and he was 18. owen labrie admits he sought that girl out for what's called a senior salute. is by his definition, the senior salute is a tradition where senior boys try to "spend more time with younger female students before graduation." in some cases, that means sex. but labrie denies he had sex with his accuser, even though she, her name, was on a list that he titled "still at large" with her name in all capital letters. in this next sound piece you're going to hear her name is bleeped out because she is a minor and we are not identifying her. >> this list was just girls you wanted to spend time with? >> it was also girls that tucker and i thought were cute. >> and just wanted to spend time with them?
>> um, maybe -- yeah. maybe not. some of these girls definitely. but there was -- a range. >> a range of what? >> some of these girls we may have been interested in. others were friends of ours that we wanted to make sure we spent more time with before the end of the year. >> the range would include being interested in having sex with them, correct? >> yes. >> [ bleep ] was one of them, wasn't she? >> yes, she's on the list. >> and she was on the list because you wanted to have sex with her, no. >> well, the jury had to take all of that in. boris san chess has been taking all of that in as well. interesting when he answered the question there was a range of activity but ultimately had to admit, boris, that sex was a consideration just, he says, not this girl.
the jury has asked some questions. this is always fascinating if you're reading the tea leaves during deliberations but are they letting us know what the questions are? >> they are not, ashleigh. i'll get into that in a moment. the jury has been deliberating for seven and a half hours right now. a lot for them to contemplate after closing arguments yesterday. they're looking at nine charges they can convict owen labrie on. those charges include thee charges of aggravated sexual assault, felonious sexual assault, another felony charge of using an online service to lure the accuser, those are the f facebook messages they exchanged to arrange their encounter. he's looking at three misdemeanor sexual assault charges. that's because of her age. she was 15. the age of consent in new hampshire is 16 years old. he's also looking at another misdemeanor for simple assault and a misdemeanor for endangering the welfare of a child.
in the past hour we heard from a source close to the proceedings that the jury had technical questions for the judge but those questions are being handled behind closed doors so we don't have any indication as too what the questions were. maybe what specific charges they were asking about. no indication yet. we're working to get more information on that soon, ashleigh. >> boris sanchez, keep us posted. if there's any peep from that jury and certainly fridays yield a lot of verdicts so we will be watching this close lift thank you, you, boris. there are cases and there are trials that you simply cannot erase from your memory no matter how hard you try. just ahead, the prosecutor living the trial well beforehand and during of convicted theater shooter james holmes is going to join us live. just imagine for a moment what his life has been like with his head buried in this case in all of its sickening details for these years.
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that trial lasted for three months and the judge certainly did seem relieved to get james holmes out of his sight. >> if there was ever a case that warranted the maximum sentences this is the case. one of the victims yesterday said the defendant does not deserve any sympathy. i wholeheartedly agree. the defendant does not deserve any sympathy and for that reason the court imposes the maximum ten tenses that the court can impose under the law. is there anything else from the people? >> no, sir. >> anything else from you, mr. king? >> no, your honor. >> all right, sheriff, get the defendant out of my courtroom, please. thank you. [ applause ] >> that is applause that you were hearing. we do cover a lot of trials here on this program. it is called "legal view," but some cases really do stick with you. the details. for us it's the stories of the 12 lives that were lost and the
70 others that were forever changed. the youngest victim was just six, veronica moser sullivan. her mom, ashley, was pregnant and lost the baby and ashley was also paralyzed by james holmes' bullet. during holmes' sentencing in the trial that happened earlier this month, ashley remembered her little daughter whom she had when she was just 18. >> how are you different after the murder of your daughter? >> i'm very different. i'll do a lot with depression and anxiety. >> tell us more about that. >> i just -- i don't know who i am anymore because i was a mom
when i was 18 and that's all i knew how to be and now i'm not a mom. >> in case you didn't see that, ashley was at the witness stand in her wheelchair which she now uses everyday. you could hear the sobs in the courtroom that day even from the jurors. and you may think that after all that time and all the pain that he caused, james holmes would want to publicly apologize. i don't know, say something? no. >> and what is your decision in terms of whether you wish to make an elocution statement. >> not to make that statement. >> so you do not want to make an elocution statement, is that correct? >> yes. >> watching that trial was gut wrenching for the journalists, for the people in the courtroom, for everybody.
but the prosecutor, whose name is george brocker will, had to live this case for the three years for the crime. he made it his mission to get justice. sir, thank you for taking the time to speak with me about this case. this is one of those cases where unless you were present for every one of those victims' impact statements you have no idea how incredibly painful and damaging this murderer's crimes were and i look at you who's had to preinterview and speak with probably every one of those victims well before trial and live with this evidence on your desk everyday and i wonder if you just move on from that, george. if you can just go forward with your next case like it's any other work day. >> no. i don't think you can. listen, we started jury selection on this case january 20 of this year and the case
wrapped up and almost seven months later. it started before i was even district attorney. but along the way you absorb through sights and sounds the pain that you heard about but you cannot know it. i don't want to know it. it's like looking down a bottomless pit. you see it but you don't know how dark and deep and even today i don't have a true sense of it. i feel like a veteran prosecutor. i've been doing this over 20 years, every case you can imagine and i could not help getting choked up just talking to ashley in that setting. mercifully you only played the parts i didn't get choked up on. but it was hard. i have a five-year-old at home along with three other kids and to think of a woman who walks
into a movie theater, the pregnant mother of a six-year-old and is carried out and is carried out none of those things, that just sticks with you. that's one victim. there are so many more victims, more than you even heard during the sentencing. in fact, we could have charged everybody in that theater 4, 00 people, as an attempted murder victim. but the case would have become much larger an more unwieldy to handle but you heard people who lived in the apartment he tried to blow up. you heard people who were there that had to seek counseling over though no bullet touched them. this is something that has marred a beautiful, wonderful community, aurora, colorado, and something i hope they can get past and hope this trial helped to do that. >> can i ask you a quick question? 3,318 years on top of all of the life sentences as well, consecutive. i know you said you wanted get justice for every single person who is afflicted by this crime.
are you terribly disappointed that it is not a death penalty resolution? >> a couple things. i am disappointed it wasn't death. i thought it was a death case. i thought if any case in my experience, in our state's history, cried out for that ultimate sanction it was this ultimate crime. but having said, that i'm also a true supporter of the limitations placed on government and i want it to be difficult for the government to take the life of a citizen. i don't know about this difficult but i do appreciate that. so i'm disappointed. so from the standpoint of giving the biggest sentence in the history of colorado and the fourth largest in the history of this country, if this guy started serving his sentence at the time of king tut, he would just now be starting the first of his 12 consecutive life sentences. there isn't medicine or cryogen sis that will keep him alive and
i think for a lot of victims in this case the idea that he would never take a breath again outside of a prison wall, the idea that their particular crime was captured in that sentence, i think there's a feeling of justice amongst them. >> i understand physically how the defense table, prosecutors tables are set up in that courtroom but did you ever get the opportunity to look him in the eye and if you did what did you think and what did you feel? >> i did. that's a great question. through much of the trial when i was conducting examinations or cross-examinations, i was lateral to him and i could see him straining to look over at me without turning his head. he didn't want to show that part of him to me. but when i was doing closing argument, probably for the first time, there's a couple shots where i back up so that i am directly in line with him and i'm pointing at him and we lock eyes ands that guy that is completely present and aware in the moment. and that's something else that you didn't get to see watching this on camera.
my guess is ana cabrera did, she was there almost everyday. but he had a game face. when the judge was in the courtroom and the jury was in the courtroom and the camera was on he sat just like you saw him. but when they were gone, the camera was off, he would turn to his counsel, that i'd have little conversations, he would chuckle, he would even laugh sometimes when the deputies were bringing him in. he was a different guy once the camera was on. >> sick as he may have been, he was a very educated young man. mr. brauchler, thank you for the time. thank you for your services and i wish you strength as you move on out of these awful, awful stories and memories and i hope we neat a difference circumstance. thanks, george. >> i do, too. and thanks for covering this case the way you did. it was a value to the public. thank you. >> we'll leave our viewers with pictures of people who really matter in this case and that involves those who lost their lives and were injured in this horrible shooting.
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that's a school building buckling under floodwaters. we can see similar scenes across the yibian as the storm moves west. jennifer gray is joining us from the cnn center. jennifer, where is the storm now and where is the -- is it expected to go? >> well, wolf right now it's moving west south of florida to the south side of dominican republic this storm has been very disorganized so still low in confidence on where this is going to head once it crosses over the dominican republic. it's going to contact rough terrain, mountainous terrain and the landmass will shred this storm so between now and the next 24 hours it's going to be a hard -- we're going to have a hard time understanding where this will