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expensive natural disaster. the world bank estimated the cost to be as much as $235 billion. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. good morning. i'm brian stelter. it's time for "reliable sources." on an eventful week for journalism, a week that has people debating just how assertive, how aggressive reporters should be. univision's jorge ramos stood up. donald trump told him to sit down. and ramos says what happened next was a true threat to press freedoms in the united states. he will be here for an in-depth interview coming up. so will doris good win here to put press coverage of trump into historical context. let's begin with what journalism lost. alison parker and adam ward, gunned down on wednesday were the first reporters to be killed
on assignment in the u.s. in nearly a decade. their deaths shattered the news room where they worked in virginia and shocked reporters all across the country. there is a feel that it could have happened to any journalist on a live shot. adam was the steady hand behind the camera and alison was the smart, ambitious face in front of it. they were a morning tv team like so many morning tv teams across the country. on tuesday, for example, they were covering a fund raiser for the local zoo. live shots at 5:45, 6:15 and 6:45. wednesday was supposed to be the same kind of day. covering a special milestone for a local tourism attraction, smith mountain lake. they had finished the 5:45 and the 6:15. during their last live shot of the morning a gunman stalked them. came up from behind adam, waited until the camera was pointed back at alison and her guest and fired at point-blank range. two hours later the station's general manager, jeff marks, announced to both that both his
employees had died. now the station is beginning the healing process. this afternoon marks will be speaking at an inter-faith service. first he is joining me from roanoke to discuss this week. jeff, thank you for being here, first of all. >> thank you, brian. >> our hearts, of course, go out to you and your colleagues. i admired how your station has not skipped a beat this week. i was watching your 8:00 a.m. news cast this morning. you've continued to cover the tragedy as it's affected your own station profoundly. i imagine that is a coping mechanism but i wonder if it's made it worse in some way. have you thought about taking a break at some point, skipping a news cast, to give the staff time to heal? >> we can't really do that. our bond with the community is such that we have to be there for them just as they are for us. it's been very helpful that our colleagues from three of our sister tv stations inside our company, which is hearst communications, have flown here to help take care of things. some of the more difficult
stories, those reporters have helped us with by covering. so we've held it together with the help of friends. >> i was going to ask you about that, about rival stations or your counterparts in other markets coming to your all's help. sounds like they've been doing that ever since wednesday. >> the first call i got on wednesday morning was from my counterpart at one of the other stations in town, and the -- all the stations in town and people from all over the country have volunteered to fly in at their own expense and help us in the newsroom. we've been very grateful for all of those offers. >> two of the loved ones of the victims work for your station, of course. melissa ott, a producer, it was supposed to be her last program on wednesday. she was engaged to adam. and chris hurst was engaged to alison. any update on how they're coping? >> i saw melissa last night. she was in amazing shape,
supported by friends and family at an informal gathering that some of our employees did. i think that -- of course, it's been rough for her for several days. and it won't end for a while. but i was glad to see her up and out and getting hugs from everybody. and chris hurst, who is just -- in just as much pain, has been more front and center, doing interviews and carrying that book around of pictures that help him get through this. >> if you don't mind for a minute i would like to go back to wednesday at 6:45. it's hard to ask. obviously it's hard to ask this. but when we saw the live broadcast which then went online and went viral in this disgusting way on wednesday, the camera went back to the anchor at the desk who was shocked but continued the broadcast. what did the control room see
and hear? adam's camera kept rolling and alison's microphone was still on. >> i've only watched it once myself. it was terrible. as it unfolded people in the control room thought maybe it was fireworks or back fire. when alison started screaming and running they knew it probably was neither of those. it was toward the end of the hour but they soldiered on and got the news cast done. >> the live shot kept going back to your control room. >> yes. >> did they see or hear -- what i'm asking is were they able to talk to alison or adam? >> no. they tried very hard to do that. they called their cellphones and there was no answer. and to those of us who have been in the business for a long time, when i had that information, i thought, let's hope their' grievously wounded which was the only alternative that could have been good based on all those
facts. >> do you have the sense that this ex-employee of yours produced this execution? we know by now that he filmed it with a gopro type camera, that he seemed to wait until the camera was back on your reporter before he shot. was he producing it, basically using our tools and technology against us in the media? >> i think that's the most obvious conclusion to come to. i haven't spent a lot of time thinking about him or what he did because i've been so focused on my employees and how they've responded. but it was certainly a bizarre concoction by a man who was not living in his right mind at a time. >> you say not living in his right mind at a time. as we all know by now he was removed from the station a couple years before all of this. i asked viewers for their questions for you. i'll put up one of their questions on screen. it's tough, of course, as we're covering journalists having to do your own jobs. one wrote, if this happened at
another station what would you be asking about this man's firing, about how his tenure was example? do you believe he was in his right mind when he left the station? was there something more the station could have done? >> i'm not a psychologist, so i don't know where on the continuum of mental health he was. clearly he was not somebody that we should have had in our newsroom, and he made people very uncomfortable. but where he crossed the line into delusion and outlandishness, it's hard for me to say. yes, i would ask, could you have known? and i would say, we were very on guard for a few weeks. it made us a little uncomfortable when we found out he was still living in town. but can you predict that someone's irritation and anger will boil over -- roll over into violence with a gun?
it's never happened to me in my career, and i have had the unfortunate duty of terminating a number of people. i don't know how you stay on absolute vigilance for two and a half years. >> right. >> because of somebody who hasn't done anything in that period. people have said, is this going to change how you send reporters out? i think that's a question a lot of newsrooms are asking. >> yeah. >> but there is no easy answer to that. >> i have been hearing from reporters in local news rooms across the country. many are shaken because it feels like it could happen to any team of journalists at a live shot. we know something like this is rare but i have heard from journalists that the idea that two people are out there instead of three or more. in some markets only one reporter is doing his own live shot. that might make it more dangerous and risky. have you given thought to
whether it should be only one or two people out there doing live shots? >> yes. i want to discuss our specific plans. >> we should mention -- we can play what i found to be very emotional videotape of the live shot. kelly was there with your reporter as it was wrapping up. tell us what the plan will be going forward. >> the plan going forward is to look at each live opportunity separately and make the proper decisions. i'm not going to go here and say every live shot will have three or four people because there are crazy people out there, and i think it's best if we keep our plans to ourselves. but it's certainly a subject of discussion here, and i can imagine every newsroom in the country that routinely does these what we call live shots, live reports from the field. >> we're seeing your reporter now at a football game on friday night. the outpouring from the community, including the high school games, was amazing to see
this weekend. i know you'll be speaking later today at this inter-faith service. i wonder whether you thought differently about the media now, that your impression of the press has changed now that you have had to be at the center of the biggest story of your career. >> no. it's improved. >> improved. >> gosh, yes. >> great to hear! >> the job that the reporters for the various networks around the world who have been here has been doing has really impressed me. they are operating with compassion. and you know, we get accused of going into people's houses after a death and saying, "how do you feel?" the truth is that's our job. but most of the time, 99% of the time reporters are invited in because the family wants to talk about how wonderful the person was, as with chris hurst this week. so when i was asked how do i feel, i wasn't offended at all.
i -- i appreciated having the opportunity to talk about that. and the others from our company who spoke, i think welcomed that opportunity too. and it was handled with grace and with compassion by virtually all the reporters we came into contact with. >> that's as wonderful a note as i can think of to end on on such a sick week. so many of us in the press like to criticize our colleagues. there is lots to criticize for sure. it doesn't seem like there was anything to criticize in alison or adam's work. they were rising stars from all the coverage we've heard in recent days. >> you just wouldn't believe how -- they were -- i said to a number of people, if you had 1,000 job candidates in front of you and you had to pick two, those were the two you would pick out. >> well -- jeff, thank you for being here this morning. >> thank you. >> the funeral services for adam ward will be held in roanoke on tuesday and alison parker's
family is holding a private service later this week. vicky garner, the local chamber of commerce executive we saw in the image, she was being interviewed at the time of the attack remains in intensive care at a local hospital. her family says she is in good condition and is recovering from two surgeries to repair damage from a bullet wound. coming up the tough ethical questions that newsroom had to pace when the gunman uploaded his executions to the internet. did we get it right, or did we get it wrong? more on that when we return. (music)
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if you wand to see the horrific video from wednesday's shooting involving the two journalists you could have. there are two videos, one from the station broadcasting live, one from the gunman's perspective. a horrific new sort of situation to see a perpetrator filming the attack with his own body camera and uploading it to the internet. just because this video exists should we be showing it? what is the right choice here when it comes to covering tragedies like this one. joining me now, cnn contributor bill carter, fam formerly my colleague and frank sesno the director of the george washington university's school of media and public affairs. thank you both for being here this morning. >> good to be with you.
>> frank, let me ask you about the calculations newsrooms had to make on wednesday morning. the live video broadcast by the station at 6:45. cnn showed it once an hour for a few hours and then stopped showing -- what i mean is actually the shooting. just now we showed it up until the shooting. we showed and aired her screaming several times. was that the right decision to make? >> probably. these decisions are always so difficult in the moment of and when something is brand-new and fresh. i think the way it's being handled now and the moment you handled it a moment ago is the right way to do it. it gives people a sense of what the event was and what the scene looked like without taking them up to what i refer to as the moment of death which is essentially what that video captures. typically in media and in this country and much of the world we do not portray the moment of death both out of respect for the audience and out of respect for the dignity of the individual who is losing their
life. i think that's a very important thing. i do want to say one other thing, brian. i want to commend you and jeff marks for the discussion that you just had. i think that everybody at that station should get enormous credit for carrying on with the job that they have, for talking to the public, for recognizing their dual responsibility here, which is extraordinary as human beings who have gone through this horrible tragedy but also as journalists and wanting to be as transparent in their grief as they want others to be when covering a story like that. >> let me come to you, bill, here in new york about the second video, the even worse video, if that's possible. the shooter's perspective. to me it looked like a video game, like something from a first-person shooter game, unfortunately. that video was essentially not shown anywhere except on the covers of a couple new york tabloids. fox news played it. cbs played part of it. >> that's not a video. >> still frames.
>> yes. >> was there the might amount of restraint or too much restraint of that video? >> this is getting to be the toughest question. of course you don't want to give the shooter the attention he's called for. that's the big question i think people have. on the other hand these shootings are getting out of hand. we're seeing them so frequently. the instant reaction is people say, well, don't react to the media. there is too much grief. this visceral moment is really connecting to people -- >> you're saying show it so people see the reality of gun violence. >> you show something. obviously the moment of death, you don't do that as frank said. i think you do need to show what's happening in the country. >> others would say that desensitizes people. >> it's a very difficult decision. how desensitized are we already? there is one of these every week. every day there is one of these. so there is already a desensitization going on. i think we have to have some way to grab people by the throat. i think that's what the tabloids
are trying to do. >> frank, is it our job to be grabbing people by the throat, so to speak, when it comes to a story like this? >> it's our job to tell the story. if the story grabs people by the throat then grab your throat. yes. i agree with bill here. this violence again and again and again is so out of control. we become desensitized because we hear about it all the time. until you see it and it's real and you see it and you say, oh, my god, that's a human being. how can someone do that. that's the power of a picture, the power of video. it becomes a delicate balance with how much is too much and how much is enough so that people understand the story and are, frankly, shocked by it. vietnam into people's living rooms did that. that's what we do in the news business but it's a difficult decision when you are seeing the kinds of horrific, graphic images that these videos are
capturing. >> to me some of these choices are -- they're affected by the growth of the internet because the internet, you click it in order to watch it. it's pull. television is a push. we're pushing it to you. >> we talk about this all the time, the sort of disappearance, if certainly on -- in digital and social media, of gate keepers, editors, producers, of people who say that is too far. this man created and produced his own murder video. for a while that was what people could see and were seeing. just as islamic state produced their murder video on the beaches of egypt or wherever that execution took place. this is uncharted territory in many ways. >> really feels like it is. another one of the new sort of terrible new twists this time was the idea of auto play. for viewers who don't know what it means, if you were on twitter or facebook at the time the killer posted the videos it would automatically start
playing on your screen. that's a different situation than having to push the button to play it. we saw some turning off auto-play as a result. some news video sites turning it off because they wanted to warn ahead of time. that's another example about how the internet and technology is changing these calculations. >> the new york post and new york times put images of shootings in some ways on their front pages. >> frank brought up vietnam. remember the shot of the police officer shooting someone in the head? that was a tremendous moment where people said, wow, this is really getting out of hand. and i think maybe the tabloids are doing that. maybe they're going to send that message. maybe it was just for self-interest. >> the daily news has been on a campaign to support gun control. perhaps that was part of it. >> you can argue they're also trying to sell papers. >> of course.
>> i think it's a line you have to walk down. i think there is some value in saying this is the reality of it. here it is. it's in your face. >> this is the discussion going on in the newsrooms this week. thank you for having it. frank and bill, stick around. we'll come back to you later in the hour. an update on a couple other stories. these are stories that, like the tragic events in virginia, remind us of the risk journalists face every day. in cairo, egypt yesterday, three journalists were threatened to prison for, quote, spreading false news. everyone was outraged after they were led away from court. peter gresty was sentenced in ab stenia. it's unclear if he can be a foreign correspondent anymore. in iran. no word on the fate of washington post journalist jason
rezaian who has spent more than 400 days in prison. we're trying to get updates on the story. our thoughts and prayers are with jason and his family. up next on "reliable sources." jorge ramos has been a journalist for 30 years but says this is a first. donald trump kicking him out of a campaign press conference and then later bringing him back in. ramos sits down with me. first sit-down interview about the showdown in iowa and why he takes the trump campaign seriously. next. shall hey terry stop! they have a special! so, what did you guys think of the test drive? i love the jetta. but what about a deal? terry, stop! it's quite alright... you know what? we want to make a deal with you. we're twins, so could you give us two for the price of one? come on, give us a deal. look at how old i am. do you come here often? he works here, terry!
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all of the above? he is for sure this country's best-known spanish language broadcaster with millions of viewers every night. his critics and donald trump's critics were quick to take sides after this showdown in iowa on tuesday. >> sit down! >> no. i am. >> sitdown! >> i have the right -- >> no you don't. >> i have the right to ask the question. this is the question. you cannot deport 11 million people. you cannot build a 1900-mile wall. you cannot deny citizenship to children in this country. >> sit down. >> with those -- i'm a reporter. i don't -- don't touch me, sir, don't touch me, sir. you cannot touch me. i have the right to ask a question. >> it was an incredible piece of political theater in a year that's been full of them. first trump boots you out of his news conference and then invites him back into the room for a feisty exchange.
how did it feel to be in trump's cross-hairs? what really happened. i spoke to ramos for the first real interview since the duel in deb deb oouk. >> tell me the story behind the story. you went to iowa because you felt trump had been ignoring your interview requests. did you expect to get kicked out of the press conference? were you maybe seeking a fight like the one you had with trump? >> of course not. i never expected that he would -- that he was going to expel me from the press conference. i have been a journalist for 30 years. i have never been rejected or expelled from a press conference. and i -- i knew he was going to be tough. i knew he wasn't going to like it. but i never expected that, instead of answering my question he would call the security detail to throw me out. the important thing is that, what is completely out of line is that a reporter is ejected from a press conference simply for asking a question.
that's from my point of view completely out of line. i think it is dangerous for press freedom in this country. i cover many issues in many countries, all around the planet, and this is the kind of thing that you see in dictatorships, but not in the united states of america. >> that's very strong language, that we see this in dictatorships. you really don't think that, if trump was president, people would be kicked out of the white house brief room, do you? >> we don't know. that's exactly what he did to me. he acted in an incredible authoritarian way. that's exactly what he did. and that's dangerous for press freedom in the united states, what he did. i think the way he is attacking other journalists, among them our colleagues from fox news, the way he censors the des moines register reporter from coming into the press conference. that is a kind of behavior that
i have never seen in the united states. that i have seen in dictatorships but never here. and that's something that we have to be aware of. absolutely. and, look, as a reporter, as an immigrant, as a u.s. citizen, i have the right in this country to ask any question to anyone. if he doesn't want to answer, that's fine. but also i want to emphasize that i waited for my turn. there were two reporters before me who asked a question. then i said i have a question on immigration. and nobody said anything. there was no other reporter who wanted to ask. i stood up, and then he started listening to my question. and then he tried to stop me when he realized that he didn't like the question. he called on another reporter and of course i kept on asking my question. he told me to sit down, and i wasn't going to sit down. >> were you surprised there wasn't more of a movement of solidarity among the reporters in the room, if you were going to be kicked out, they were going to leave too? >> some reporters left. the reporter from the new yorker
left. what i know, for sure, is that there were two reporters, casey hunt from msnbc and tommy aimens from m cnbc news who pressed donald trump and told him first that i had been as tough with president obama and democrats that i have been with him and then casey hunt, i understand, asked donald trump to allow me to come back to the press conference. so i -- i don't know about the other reporters, but i know for sure that casey hunt and tom yoemans challenged trump and thanks to them -- i already thanked them personally. thanks to them i was able to come back in and ask my questions. >> there has been quite a backlash to your exchange with donald trump. here are a few of the comments. >> the guy was making a -- you had a question to ask. ask a question. if you want to make a political statement, you can hold your own
press conference. >> i think ramos acted like an illegal alien and was treated like one. he cut the line, was disruptive and was deported and trump let him back in. isn't that his policy. >> jorge ramos has become an advocate for people who enter the u.s. illegally and that's superseded his job as a journalist. >> what do you make of that? people are saying our job is to be aggressive and ask tough questions. >> absolutely. that's our job. >> but they're saying it's not. they're saying you are an act vo c advocate, activist. >> in some instances, again, when it comes to human rights, and immigration rights are human rights, when it comes to the fact that a presidential candidate is attacking a whole community, when it comes to the fact that a presidential
candidate is stereotyping a community, i think we have the right to ask tough questions. >> these guys that are criticizing you, are they not real journalists. >> we have to take a stand. >> if they're so critical of you being a tough reporter, are they not real reporters? what do you make of these guys going after you? >> they can say whatever they want, and they can -- this is a free country, and i think it's fantastic that we have the possibility of having this debate. if you were in mexico, if we were in some countries in latin america or in the middle east, we would be dead. so it's great that we have the possibility of having -- of having this debate. but i will continue asking tough questions from the presidential candidate who is ahead on the polls. >> my last question for you, since you'll be covering the news on univision and fusion for years to come, do you think
there is a chance donald trump could be elected president? >> of course. as any other american he has a possibility of becoming president. of course he has a possibility -- >> a real chance. you think this is not just a joke campaign, a side show, you think you might actually be interviewing president trump someday? >> i take donald trump very seriously. very seriously. i think it's a huge mistake not to take him seriously because of the things that he is saying. and we have to take him seriously. because the impact, the structure of the united states, the fabric of life in the united states might be completely transformed if he becomes president. i take him very, very seriously. >> jorge ramos, thank you so much for being here. >> brian, thanks so much. more on my interview with ramos on cnn money.com. stay tuned. we'll talk about what he just said and talk about the other tv journalists trump is going head-to-head with right after this.
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donald trump recovering from spats earlier in the week with both jorge ramos and fox news. but there was a love-fest of sorts between trump and one host that you must see. >> you're seeing some idiots in the press and they're misrepresenting your exchange like the other day with the political activist, the father of the clinton staffer, univision's jorge ramos. and you schooled that radical activist, and it was the right thing to do. i don't think he's going to pull that again. where did you get your guts for that kind of necessary confrontation? >> well, you know, the press was very good to me on that one. he was totally out of line. he was screaming, and ranting and raving. >> palin gave trump a chance to bash the press. instead of chose to compliment all of us with the exception of jorge ramos. bill and frank are back. he is an advocate for hispanic
america. is there anything wrong with that point of view style of journalism. >> i don't think there is anything wrong with it. you could say too many journalists are one side or the other. there was an argument to be made that he pushed himself forward and made too much of it. you could also say he's playing into trump's hand too much. you think about what trump has been doing. he is almost like a science fiction creature. when you fire energy at him he seems to get bigger. i'm not sure it's accomplishing jorge's goal. >> frank, grand-standing, making it about yourself, these are things they're supposed to criticize in journalism. >> i could take the adjectives you used and attach them to an awful lot of reporters i know. it's what gives them the courage. i think there are other terms that could be used, to get in the middle of the stories that they do and take people -- look
at them square in the face. i've interviewed presidents. it can be intimidating. you say to yourself, it's a human being. they're doing the job. they're accountable for what they're doing. ramos has done this in the past, by the way. he confronted john boehner over immigration. he has his issues. in an email to me he said there are six areas he thinks that journalists need to take a stand. human rights, discrimination, dictatorship are among them. he says trump touches on all of those. i think what ramos did had an element of grand standing about it. no question about that. he knew what he wanted to do. he did it on purpose. sorry, i don't think sarah palin is the most qualified to lecture donald trump about how great he is in dealing with ramos. >> turning to fox news, we've been following this megyn kelly fight for weeks now. trump attacking megyn kelly ever
since the impgop debate. he started attacking her as soon as she came back from vacation. it was said the attack was as unacceptable as it is disturbing. he went on and on. the question now is is the war back on now. i know they've been saying nice things about each other sings. trump has not been on fox news since that statement came out. >> i don't think he will be on if he doesn't apologize. >> he said he should apologize but trump usually doesn't. >> usually fox would have him on. he is friendly with hannity. he it would be on something. it's a tradition for someone who has had an incident in a debate with a moderator to go after the moderator. candy crowley had an incident when she did the 2012 debate and the republicans went after her. in the subsequent days fox news did a panel where they basically had people come and say what she did wrong and some defend her.
that panel was moderated by megyn kelly and megyn kelly sort of took the position that crowley should not have been that big a factor in the debate. it's an ongoing thing when a person is in the middle of a debate and is the moderator that the candidate -- republicans almost always do this, they attack the moderator. >> closer to cnn's debate in september than we were fox's but fox's still in the news. thank you for being here and help us digest this media news. did this year-- trump makes history next on "reliable sources." imagine - she won't have to remember passwords. or obsess about security.
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like this before? 22 candidates including a socialist, brain surgeon and former first lady. is this any way to choose a leader of the free world? a good person to ask is one of the few people qualified to answer. a pulitzer prize winning author. the bully pulpit. theater pulpit and ancient journalism. i thought now was the golden age of journalism. >> it has been the most entertaining age of journalism. i don't think i have seen anything like this last year. when you think about it. >> you are the historian. we go to you to be told there is always a historical analysis. >> teddy roosevelt and taft with
such anger. they called each other fat heads and the brain of a guinea pig. the "new york times" had an editorial saying this is the first primary and we hope it's the last. this is no way to elect a president. go back where you have people nominated in july and you have a two-month race in the fall and it's over. so many months out and so involved in this thing, people yelling within the same party. that hasn't been seen before. >> if it was only two months long, what would we talk about for 20 months? >> maybe things that are happening in people's lives. i must admit there is something compelling about this kind of talk when these guys are talking against each other and when trump has no political correctness button that he pushes. one of the reasons he is attracting so much attention is the journalists have gone after candidates when they make one
silly mistake or say oops or 47% or something they have to claim i misspoke and i didn't mean it. they have to be dpsive. he has not an ounce. he turns it against the press. for so many years we asked them to be authentic, but they fear if they say something, they have to put a girdle on. they talk from a teleprompter and from a script. we are not seeing them. we are seeing trump as he is. maybe that's part of the appeal. >> like it or not, journalists helping to provoke candidates like trump and sometimes you see soft interviews with trump, but i'm not sure. people were calling him donald and referring to him like they are old buddies. do you think there was a situation with ben carson on the rise suggesting that maybe we will see a continued wave of
these candidates all fall. do you think trump is more than one of these cycles that will name out? it has been more than two months after all. >> it has gone longer than i think many would have predicted. there is something about that outsider mentality. when you think about what washington has been like and people so upset with a broken system and little getting done, there is a sense in which somebody who is not a politician and talking against the elite and talking against the press, we had that in history before. people feel anxious or worried about something or there is a sense that things are going on in the banks or washington. a candidate comes along and gets that appeal going. when you see the combination, that's a large percentage choosing a non-politician. whether that's good or bad, there is something that is honorable and people will feel
proud. maybe that is turned on its head as well. >> the trump story is a republican party story. you are right about that. the story is just beginning to be written. thank you so much for sharing your insight with us. >> very welcome. thank you. >> up next, honoring the victims of wednesday's shootings in virginia. do you like the passaaadd? it's a good looking car. this is the model rear end event. the model year end sales event.
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and how intense live television can be. we would like to leave you with a few tributes to allison parker and adam ward. >> today's news hits close to home. i wanted to take a moment at the top of this hour as a fellow journalist to tell the wdbj newsroom and families of allison and adam, we are all with you and i am so sorry. >> it was yesterday around this time that we went live to allison parker and photojournalist adam ward.
they were out in the field and it was a story like so many others. please join us now in a moment of silence. >> feeling the burn. a brand-new poll shows hillary clinton slipping in iowa as voters defect to bernie sanders. >> the same ole same ole will not work. >> he will be here in a moment. and -- donald trump. >> i don't want your money. >> or does he? the billionaire hosts a fund-raiser and refuses to call it one while taking big bucks from undisclosed donors. can he claim he is the only one who cannot be bossed? the father of the reporter murdered liv