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the next hour of cnn newsroom begins right now. top of the hour. hello, everyone. you are in the cnn newsroom. i'm in more poppy harlow. 12,000 people terrified and desperate. some of them solo, all alone. that's how many people have traveled through austria and into germany this weekend. refugees getting away from terrorism and civil wars, persecution in their own home countries austria and germany both countries opened their borders to thousands of moi grants, the only european countries so far to do so. these are the people who have made it to relative safety. the u.n. estimates that nearly 3,000 people died or are missing this year in their quest to reach western europe for a
better future. ♪ say it loud, say it clear ♪ refugees are welcome here >> germany and austria have direct request for other countries. step up and help. we are in vienna today. >> reporter: hundreds of refugees are still pouring into the railway station in vienna. all of them of course looking to complete that very difficult journey that they have understood taken. authorities have designated this platform here for trains for the refugees. what we're seeing here also is an outpouring of support from the austrian population. as many people bringing food, water, and just helping these people along. we've spoken to some of the refugees. they've hold us about the difficult journey they had to make it here. >> translator: from hungary, we
went tough a torture. we walked 110 kilometers with the children. the government fooled us. but the people were very nice. we arrived here safely and we are comfortable here and we like the people and the government of austria. >> reporter: one of the things that's extremely important to speed up the process is that they have a lot of people here who speak the local languages of the refugees. you have people who speak era bik. for the refugees also, it's important for them to know the process. it's important for them to know what will come next. what will happen when they get to munich. how do they get on the trains best. it's key to making this process work. things are going very well here at the vienna train station. but europe is still facing a major challenge many dealing with the tens of thousands of people who have already come here. i spoke earlier with the spokesperson for the u.n. hcr
and she says that europe needs to find a common approach to make all of this work. >> we have suggested for example big reception registration centers in greece, italy and hungary, run by the u.n. where people could go there and register. if they are refugees, they could be distributed and relocated to all different countries in europe. >> reporter: now, of course, as these thousands of people come here to europe, the material aid that they get from the folks here in austria and germany, that's something that's important for them. the food, water, toys for the children. in many ways we find what's even more important is to be received with a smile and to be welcomed and shown that they have a chance to integrate here in europe and possibly start a new life. >> thank you so much. we appreciate that. and pope francis has lent his voice to those offering solutions to the refugee crisis.
he's urging catholic organizations throughout europe to open their doors. the pope said this today, quote, may every parish, every religious community, every monastery, every sanctuary of europe host a family starting from my diocese of rome. our senior vatican analyst, john, the pope really making clear that he plans to take in two families. is this really going to happen throughout europe? >> reporter: well, it's certainly going to happen in the vatican. pope francis has made that clear and after all, he is the boss. there are basically two, if you like, working churches in the vatican. one is saint peter's basilica. the other is saint anne. the pope has made clear that both are going to take in a minimum of one refugee family. he has called on every catholic
parish, every religious community all across the old continent to do the same. if that happens, it could potentially be a game changer. there are tens of thousands of such facilities all over europe. it's dotted with catholic real estate. and if each one of them would taken a minimum of one refugee family, this would be much more than a symbolic gesture. >> the symbolism is quite extraordinary. catholic families opening their doors to muslim families. how do you think this would be perceived? >> reporter: i think there probably will be some conservative sectors of catholic opinion in europe that are troubled by it. maybe not so much on a humanitarian basis, but they may see this as contributing even inadvertently to what some of them would see as a growing islamic footprint.
look, on the other hand, i think most people including most catholics looking at this extremely grave mu man tear january situation, the largest refugee crisis in europe since the second world war, would say long-solutions can wait for another day. the most important thing right now is making sure they have a place to sleep, a place to be fed. >> and the pope is going to be heading to the united states, his first visit to the u.s. ever. do you think he's going to bring that same sort of message for mercy, having people here in the united states, right now, the u.s. has not taken in very many of these refugees. >> almost three years now covering pope francis. one thing i've learned is never be too dogmatic about what he's going to stay or do. i often say he should come with a warning label, caution, predictions are hazardous to
your health. one thing you can feel certain of, remember, he's the child of italian immigrants who fled to argentina in the early 20th centu century. he is not going to come to the united states for the first time in his life without striking a note of sympathy, compassion and welcome for immigrants. i'm virtually certain that will be one of the corner stones of his rhetoric in america. >> he's expected to address the united nations. john allen, there for us in the vatican. thanks so much as always. and ahead here, your job or your religion. a muslim flight attendant's job is on the line after she refuses to serve alcohol. why she says her boss knew all along that serving booze was off the table. imagine - she won't have to remember passwords.
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you know her as the kentucky court clerk who refused to issue same-sex marriage licenses. now another woman is under fire apparently for refusing to do part of her job due to her re religi religion. charee stanley is a flight attendant. she claims she's been suspended because her muslim beliefs do not allow her to serve alcohol to passengers. nick valencia is following the story for us. she has now tak her complaint tohe equal opportunity employment commission. >> reporter: on the surface, it seems to draw a lot of parallels. you have a woman there saying her christian beliefs don't allow her to issue same-sex marriage licenses. here, you have a flight attendant who says her muslim belief doesn't allow her to serve alcohol. about a year after taking the job is when she converted. she learned a little bit more about her faith and she learned
that she wasn't allowed to serve alcohol. this summer, they reached a reasonable accommodation with expressjet where other airline flight attendants pick up that job responsibility and it seemed to have been working. one of stanley's coworkers filed a complaint saying she was not fulfilling her job responsibilities. that's when the accommodation was revoked, stanley was suspended. her attorney is saying that her client is not only the vikts of discrimination but also having her constitutional rights violated. >> what is expressjet saying about this? at some point they felt, no, it's not fair to the other flight attendants. >> that's right. that's where the lawyer for this client is very upset. it all lies on reasonable accommodation. it isn't mandatory to accommodate everything that stanley is asking for up to the equal employment opportunity
commission. expressjet did release a statement. it says, we embrace and respect the values of all of our team members. we are an equal opportunity employer with a long history of diversity in the workplace. now, where this gets complicated is that charee stanley works for a very small regional company where often times she's the only flight attendant. we spoke to mary schiavo. she says that this really makes it more difficult. no way a pilot can come back from the cockpit to serve alcoholic drinks if stanley is the only flight attendant. we asked if her compliant is able to take another job in the airline. she said it's up to expressjet to accommodate her client, not the other way around. >> one to watch. thank you so much. >> coming up in politics, bernie sanders jumps ahead of hillary clinton in a new poll. and sarah palin talks about the
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side. bernie sanders now has a nine-point lead over hillary clinton in new hampshire. hillary clinton receives 32%. again, that's in new hampshire. in iowa, clinton is still in the lead, but sanders numbers have definitely gone up. donald trump now holds a seven-point lead over ben carson and 23 points over jeb bush. i'm joined my senior washington correspondent following the race from cedar rapids, iowa today. jeff, what are some of the big changes that we're really seeing? it's a far different race than it was in july. >> reporter: there's no question about it. the biggest change here in iowa is that hillary clinton's support has really been dropping very quickly. in july, she was leading bernie sanders by some 24 points. this latest poll shows she's only leading by 11 points. it's important to never just take one poll, but take the average of all the polls, which
show she's definitely losing support in iowa. the clinton campaign realizes that they have a race on their hands here in iowa as well as in new hampshire. it's one of the rsons that hillary clinton is here in cedar rapids iowa. she's be appearing at the house behind me shortly and talking to some of those iowa activists trying to encourage them to join her campaign. >> there on the ground, what are you hearing from these people in iowa? what are they telling you? >> reporter: it's clear that the controversy over the e-mails, that private e-mail server that secretary clinton set up while she was at the state department is a concern to voters,ow she handled this, the fact that the fbi is investigating. it's sinking into voters and they're wondering why she hasn't been more forthcoming explaining it. she's been giving interviews.
she said she regrets her decision to use that private e-mail server. at the same time, bernie sanders is really striking a cord with a lot of these voters. and add intohe mix, joe is actively thinking about running. it's a much different labor day weekend than hillary clinton ever expected at this point of her candidacy. >> it's also very interesting because biden is still rating in the polls. let's switch gears a little bit. scott walker is taking a huge hit in these polls. seeing something like a 14% dip in iowa since july. how is he reactingo that? >> reporter: governor scott walker of wisconsin, it's a neighboring state of iowa. he ran three times in four years up in wisconsin. he survived that recall election. so many republicans thought that he was going to be the candidate
to beat here, but he has fallen. so he is spending time in new hampshire this weekend on his motorcycle. and we caught up to him to ask him what's going on in his campaign. >> it's one of those where the person who won the primary four years ago is about that same point at this point. so we have every confidence, our key is to stay true to who we are. a lot of the other campaigns have been advertising. we don't have ads up yet. we talk about who we are, we're going to be in good shape. >> reporter: he talked about ups and downs. what he didn't mention was donald trump. donald trump is leading the polls in iowa and new hampshire. and a lot of the other candidates including scott walker having a hard time breaking through. these next five months before the voting begins here in iowa, really going to be a fascinating contest because someone is going to emerge as the alternative.
and all of these men, probably seven or eight candidates, are fighting for such a small slice here. they're all frustrated by what's happened over the summer with donald trump. and a field unsettled like we've rarely, rarely seen. >> scott walker made the point, look at four years ago. at that time, rick perry was in the lead. four years before that, it was new york city mayor rudy giuliani. so things have a way of changing over the course of the next year. and let's talk about what's going on in these polls beyond the numbers. mark la month hill and jeffrey lord are here. mark is a moorehouse college professor. and jeffrey is the former political director in the reagan white house. so mark, let me start with you. as we just saw, hillary clinton has lost 19 points and her lead in new hampshire. she didn't see that coming. she's lost 11 points, but still
holds the lead in iowa since the last nbc poll in july. so how does she stop the bleeding of her supporters who may be saying, enough, we want to hear from someone else? >> it's going to be tough. you know, the challenge here isn't about hillary clinton's experience which was something raised a few months ago by opponents on the right. it's not about her expertise or training. it's about her integrity and honesty. people are questioning that because of this e-mail scandal. i suspect hillary clinton didn't break any laws. what she did do was bend the laws. it only reinforces the perception and the clintons are slick. as a result, voters are clamoring for something else. i think if we had a primary right now, hillary clinton would win it. people don't want bernie sanders as much as they want someone other than hillary clinton. i think it opens the door for joe biden to come in at any
point. >> she's used the words that everything she's represented is accurate. jeffrey, you are a republican, so clearly you're writing for donald trump. but what advice would you give to hillary clinton right now? >> boy, you know, she should just be out with absolutely everything that she possibly can. her problem here, mark is exactly right about this. the thing i would add is that this comes after decades of being in the public eye as the candidate, as the candidate's wife in 1992, as the first lady for eight years, and she has gotten into one scrape after another from the very beginning with the whole, you know, cattle futures business where she supposedly made $100,000 and that was said not to be true. by 1996, william sapphire, who was then the late william sapphire was then a prominent columnist for the "new york
times" called her in print, a congenit liar. what i'm suggesting here, as mark is indicating, now she's got this problem. all this does a fuel this fire that's been going on for years. and she -- she still at this point doesn't know how to effectively combat it. >> unless she can trump donald trump and try to make it about greater issues. her record prerhaps as sretary of state. let me ask you about the republican polls. donald trump has a seven-point lead in iowa. a 16-point lead in new hampshire. ben carson is in a solid second place in iowa, third place in new hampshire. scott walker is kind of disappearing. what are your feelings? does donald trump hold this lead and for how long? >> yeah, i think he can. you know, the remarkable thing to me is that second place is ben carson. together, in some of these polls between ben carson and donald
trump and carly fiorina and ted cruz as a washington outsider, even though he's a senator, these folks are over 50% together. in one case i added them up, another poll perhaps, they were over 65%. so i'm wondering if what we're beginning to see here is the republican base essentially coming to the conclusion that they want a trump/carson ticket of some sort or outsider, outsider ticket as opposed to insider, insider. >> so -- go ahead, mark. >> that means republicans have decided they don't want to elect the next president for their party. there's no way -- [ laughter ] >> i don't think -- >> pretty interesting analysis. i do want to talk about ben carson. he seems to be gaining ground. you look at the polls. if it's just between he and donald trump, the race becomes much tighter. what do you think he is doing right and why do you think he's resonating with voters now? >> i think people feel that he's
sincere, like he's the more digfied alternative to donald trump. if you want an outside candidate, if you want someone who's not a washington, 30-year vet, you look to fiorina, carson, outside voices. at some point, i do believe -- you'll probably disagree with me, jeff, i think trump at some point peters out. just like eight years ago when giuliani and thompson were in the lead. i think that's normal for the end of the summer. i do think carson makes aery interesting vp possibility and most interesting to me is the fact that scott walker, who was the missed candidate -- he was the one everyone was afraid of. he was the one that jeb bush should be ducking. suddenly he's turned out to be the least desirable candidate of the so-called front runners at the beginning of the spring. he's perceived to be indecisive, less intelligent than people thought.
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well, we're talking presidential politics. believe it or not, potential cabinet members, who might hold positions in a donald trump administration. cnn political commentators mark lamon hill and jeffrey lord are back with us. on this morning's "state of the union" jake tapper asked sarah pay lip about trump's recent comments about if he is elected,
he'd like to have palin serve in his cabinet. this is what she said. >> i think a lot about department of energy. if i were head of that, i'd get rid of it and i'd like the states start having more control over the lands that are within their boundaries and the people who are affected by the developments within their states. >> so mark, what do you think? do you think sarah palin would be a good u.s. energy secretary even though it's a job she'd hold for just a couple months since she's going to get rid of the department anyway? >> no. asking donald trump who he wants in his administration is like asking a kid what they want for christmas when they want like a pony or something. there's no shot at this happening. why would i choose sarah palin to be secretary of energy if she doesn't believe there should be no depth of energy.
i would say no on all fronts. >> you're such a stickler for the facts, mark. jeffrey, you've written in support of trump. is she one of his sort of designated spokes people, do you think that she would bring ler into a cabinet position? >> sure. sure. let me just say on behalf of governor palin, long before she was the vice presidential choice, she was seen by a lot of people as a very good spokesperson on energy issues because she was very involved with this as governor of alaska and earlier in her career. so she is extremely knowledgeable on it. in terms of getting rid of the department, this is reviving ronald reagan's pledge to get rid of the education and energy departments. predictively they've grown like topsy here and i'm sure caused all kinds of problems at the state level. i think donald trump would love her. as far as not being electable,
mark, i have to say that was the same view of the carter white house about ronald reagan, so you need to be careful here. >> there are huge differences between ronald reagan, a former california governor with tremendous support, although it was divided, and donald trump, a reality television host. i think there are -- >> he is the head of the trump organization which ask a billion-dollar organization he built himself. i would say he has some experience. >> people are reading him as celebrity right now which is why i think he's polling well. donald trump is incredibly smart. i don't take anything away from him. i could have said ronald reagan was an actor, but i didn't. because the public perception -- >> interestingly, though, ronald reagan wasn't ronald reagan until he actually got out of office. he became who he was while he was there. so we always have to think about that. >> i disagree, though --
>> used to be -- >> mark first. >> first, when you look at ronald reagan, part of his success was a response to a carter administration which was so fragmented that the democratic party itself was looking for an alternative. although he wasn't the elder statesman of americans, he certainly was seen as an authoritative political figure. look what he did in california with regard to free speech, all across the board, he was part of the early culture wars and political wars. ronald reagan was much better politically positioned than donald trump is right now. >> jeffrey, last word. you say that ronald reagan was who he was when he got elected. >> exactly. back in the 1960s, i'm old enough to remember as a kid, one of the prominent comedy shows of the day was "laugh in." they used to mock the idea of a reagan library. in another couple weeks, cnn is
going to be hosting the next presidential debate at the reagan library. they need to be careful about these things. >> all right. thank you so much for all your insights. we appreciate it. >> thanks. and a reminder, don't miss the cnn republican presidential candidate debate. that is on wednesday, september 16th, cnn will also host the first of six democratic debates on october 13th in nevada. tell us what you want to hear from the candidates. tweet us your debate questions using #cnndebate. >> ahead, we will update the european migrant crisis and the powerful images of death and despair. up next, a columnist's plea to americans on why we should care and why those very refugees could have been each and every one of us.
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think of it as somebody else's problem. but those refugees in the words of one writer could be us. that stark reminder from "new york times" columnist nicholas chris to. in your op-ed, you write, if you don't see yourself or family members in those images of today's refugees then you need an empathy transplant. why is it you think we are seeing this now when it's really a crisis that has been four years in the making? >> it's embra bearsing to say s but i think it's power of images. that image in parrticula after aylan kurdi, i think that wrenched the world's collective hearts, as it should. these images of people in hungary trying desperately to board trains, passing children over each other to try to get on that train to carve a future for
themselves. in the way that our intellectual awareness, people dying at sea did no >> do you also think it's a function of these people in refugee camps have been iting for the international community to come to them, they finally said enough is enough. we're going to get there because we feel that's where we can get help and start. >> yeah, i mean, i think that's true. i think it has to do also with the mechanics of story telling. it's hard for us as news organizations to get inside syria. we can go to refugee camps. as you know well, they are boring television. there is an incredible power in these scenes that people, you know, at these huge train stations in budapest, elsewhere. and i think those images -- there's a real narrative power there that i think is driving this. >> especially because there's so many and they have so little and they're trying to get to a place
that's much better. >> and provocative of world war ii. my dad was a world war ii refugee. so i look at those images from budapest and i think, that's my family. i think a lot of people do as well. >> this could be a drop in the bucket, though. and the european union is dealing with this right now, trying to figure out specifically, you know, do we have a quo ta, how many people do we let in, over what time. take a look at this. we have iges of a city in jordan with syrian refugee camps stretching as far as the eye can see. winter is now coming. food, supplies almost gone. do you believe that we're only seeing the beginning and that europe is going to have to figure this out quickly if it's not to backfire? >> i mean, i've been to these refugee camps. one of the most basic things that can and should happen is to camps for the refugees in he
jordan, lebanon and syria, so they don't fee the drive to leave. earlier this year, the world food program cut in half the food rations for syrian refugees in lebanon. $17 a month. only half of syrian refugees in surrounding countries, kids are able to go to school. you can't feed your kids, you can't send them to school, you're arranging for your 14-year-old daughter to be married off so she can eat, if you love your child, you are going to try desperately to get to turkey, greece, and hungary and so on. >> is it surprising to you that some of the countries really responsible for this crisis happening, whether it be via supplying arms to whatever side of this debate, russia, the united states, none of them have really stepped up to provide a place for these people to go. u.s. for example has provided a lot of money, but no places.
>> i think it's owed to the gulf countries. this is their neighborhood, they are very, very wealthy. their arms infusion helped create the mess. and saudi arabia, kuwait and others have taken zero refugees formally as such. they have indeed given people work permits, but they haven't stepped up. it's all very easy for americans to pat ourselves on the back. we've been generous with cash in this whole syrian war. we have admitted 1,500 syrian refugees. that is pathetic. >> perhaps that could change at some point. the last thing i want to close is something you wrote, the ultimate solution is to settle syrians but to allow them to go home. thank you so much. so interesting. we always run out of time. we really appreciate you coming over. thank you. up next, we will talk to the teen who provided backup to a
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>> so this photo that you're about to see has been burning up social media. a teenager offering to provide backup for a sheriff's deputy who was pumping gas in her patrol car. this happened outside of houston, texas, just days after fellow deputy a deputy was shot nearby. kelley was so thrilled she posted this selfie online. we get to join the teen now. thank you for being here. mckinley, what motivated you to watch this officer's back while she pumped gas? >> well, honestly, it was just the idea that i felt like we needed to do that as a nation
and seeing the deputy getting shot motivated me a lot and seeing the person in l.a. that did the same thing motivated me to do it. >> this there a conversation yo had with your mom about what you would do differently or something you did on your own? >> we talked about it if we had the opportunity. my mom saw the patrol car in the morning. i said let's go before school so we did. pretty cool. >> so jennifer, i'll get to you in a moment. this is an extraordinary gesture. mckinley you have uncles that are police officers. did the death of the officer really impact you knowing that it could just as easily been one of them? >> yes. it was something. knowing that my uncles are out there doing the same thing, it could have been one of them.
he was there at that time and it happened to be him. it could have been anybody. >> jennifer, are you surprised by your son's actions that he just willing went over and said i got this? >> no, not really. this is something that he likes to do. he will often when we're driving down the road if there's someone that's homeless that's asking for food, he'll want to give them food or give them money. so he likes to do things to help other people. it just fit perfectly into the person that he is. >> jennifer, are you surprised at how much this photo and this act of kindness has resonated and this selfie has gone viral. >> yes, i am. definitely this was not expected at all. it was just something that he wanted to do and then when she asked if she could do the picture, of course you can do the picture. i had no idea that there were going to be so many people
touched by what he did. >> mckinley, do you think this is something you'll continue to do and will you try to recruit your friends to say we need to watch one another's backs. >> yeah, definitely. if i get an opportunity to do it again, i would do it without hesitation. it's something i would do no matter what. i've had tons of my friends telling me that was a great thing you did. i'm, like, you can do it too. it's not just me. anybody can do it. i want everyone to. >> were you concerned at first that this officer may say i'm okay, i got it, this deputy. >> not that she would say no, i got it. i was concerned that she would be scared of me when i walked up. she kind of was. i was scared it would be more confrontational. >> officers and deputies are suspicious of anyone sort of getting too close perhaps. this is really kind of extraordinary when you think
about this. what is the message, jennifer, that you want to give to other people out there in terms of helping officers or deputies? >> i just think that it's important for people to know that officers are out there to help them and not there to hurt them. it's their job that's what they're supposed to be doing. if everybody looked out for officers like mckinley did, maybe everything would be a little bit better for them and they wouldn't have to be so fearful of going to work every morning that they may not come home to their families. >> all right. mckeninley and jennifer zoeller appreciate it. it was a good deed. back in a moment.
>> you're in the "cnn newsroom." i'm deborah feyerick in new york in for poppy harlow. we'll begin this hour with this question. should a flight attendant be required to serve alcohol to passengers if it's part of her job but if it violates her religious beliefs? stanley converted to islam after taking a job with express jet three years ago. she ss the airline recently suspended her for refusing to serve alcohol. now she's filed a complaint with the equal employment opportunity commission to get her job back but without requiring her to serve alcohol. here's what her attorney had to say a