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rubio, rand paul? the stakes so high for them. what about carly fiorina, she's a new addition to the big debate, but while she has gained publicity, she's not really picked up support, according to the new polls. will donald trump insult her to her face? and what about that face that trump commented on so recently? carly fiorina, a superpac behind her, now striking back. more on all of that coming up. first, let's talk poll position. the latest abc news/washington post poll. donald trump way out front. athena jones joins us. it's all about the outsiders. >> that was one of my favorite books growing up. that has been the theme of this election season so far, the strength of these outsider candidates. and this new poll from abc, we can put this up on the screen, includes new, interesting numbers on that. shows the preference for an
anti-establishment candidate among republicans and democrats, you can see there that among republicans, 60% prefer an outsider candidate. that's a big difference from the democrats. and it helps explain why donald trump and ben carson, the top two folks now in the polls, are doing so well. >> if you add up their support, it's over 50%. so, over 50% of republican primary voters say they want the outsider. whether it be c. thomas howell or ralph maccio or donald trump. the reagan presidential library, setting for the second debate right here on cnn. this is a different feel from the first debate. the first debate was in cleveland, where they played basketball. where lebron james plays basketball. on wednesday night they'll number a smaller venue, 500 seats, with air force one. ronald reagan's air force one behind them. >> that's right. i got a chance to go inside the venue yesterday. it's a very intimate setting. cnn not a stage next to ronald
reagan's air force one. giant plane will be behind the candidates. there is a stage set up, like you said, about 400 to 500 folks in the audience. that audience is made up of people invited by the library. people invited by the republican national committee. and a few of them invited by the campaign themselves. it's going to be much more intimate than a stadium setting. in that last debate you could hear the crowd really respond to what some candidates said. roars of laughter and applause. you're not going to have that same energy from a much smaller crowd. of course, the candidates are going to be just a few feet away from the audience, so that could really affect how they come across. how they attack each other. >> may not feel like a gladiator battle, more like a chess match. those can be extremely intense. athena jones, great to have you here with us. >> thanks. want to talk about the big debate, just two days away right now, with donald trump's campaign manager, cory , joinin me from new york. donald trump out in front in the
latest poll, way out front in some cases. i want to know, how is the candidate preparing? is he getting ready for this debate any differently than he did for the first debate? >> well, thanks for having me on. i do want to say, you know, mr. trump will be prepared for the debate in california. as you know, we're going to dallas tonight, where he's going to be hosting a large rally at the american airlines center. we expect capacity crowd there. and the real thing is his message is resonating with the american public. the polling indicates that. i think you'll see donald trump come prepared to discuss the issues thaw guys want to talk about and the american people want to hear about on wednesday night in california. >> so, one of the things donald trump has been discussing, or one of the things he discussed at least once with "rolling stone" was carly fiorina's face. i know you don't need me to but let me tell you exactly what he told "rolling stone." look at that face, would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that, the face of our next president? well, now a superpac backing carly fiorina has sort of capitalized on that statement and put out a new campaign
video. i want you to watch this for just a few seconds. >> we are not a special interest group. we are the majority of the nation. this is the face of the 61-year-old woman i am proud of every year and every wrinkle. >> i'm proud of every wrinkle. if you watch more of that video, it shows different faces of different women, saying, look at this face, this is my face. a lot of references about faces. your reaction? >> well, look, here's the problem. you've got a superpac, which is a bunch of anone nous donors giving money to someone and then they go out and can make any claims they want to. they're perfectly able to do that. these are the issues. these candidates are all beholden to these superpacs. jeb bush has raised hundreds of millions. this is everything that's wrong with the american political system right now, is these candidates go out -- >> it's wrong? >> -- they raise money, go out
and raise money for superpacs and then say, we don't have anything to do with these superpacs so they can say whatever they want. >> it's wrong for a group to say, hey, we're women, look at our faces, we support carly fiorina? >> no, it's not the message. it's not the message i'm talking about. it's the fact these super pacs are out there, they have huge amounts of money being funneled into them so they can attack candidates or give any message they want. the difference with mr. trump is we don't have super pacs, we're not beholden to special interests. all the other candidates want to go out and raise this money and then they're beholden to these donors if and when they're to be elected. >> they're beholden to those donors. campaign finance is a separate issue, but so is commenting about a woman's face. if you have this group, and you have all these women in this video talking about how they feel very comfortable with their faces, carly fiorina talking about how she earned her
wrinkles, don't they have the right to defend her if your boss is going to attack her and her face? >> super pacs have the right to do that. the supreme court ruled on it. they're welcome to do that. you have to remember what a super pac is, a bunch of wealthy donors who want to send a message traditionally other campaigns don't do. this is the problem with the dark money that's involved in politics right now. we know jeb bush has $100 million sitting in a superpac. i'm sure the vast majority of that is going to come after mr. trump because jeb bush is now 8% in the polls or less in the last poll. this is what the american people don't want anymore, they don't want these super pacs. >> let me ask you about, if donald trump becomes the nominee, they will not vote for him in the general election. donald trump was pressured to sign this pledge that no matter what happens in the republican primary, he will support the republican nominee. he will not run as a third-party candidate. do you think now that every candidate needs to stand up and
say that if trump is the nominee, they will support him? and if they're not willing to say that, will he back out of the pledge and say, you know what, i might run as a third-party candidate? >> look, it's my understanding that both of those individuals either signed that same exact pledge or said they would sign that same exact pledge. this is the problem with politicians. they're all talk, no action. they'll say something and then they'll change their mind. nothing gets done with these people. so, look, the bottom line is, they're so upset that mr. trump is so clearly the front-runner in this race that they're trying to do anything to gain attention for themselves. and it's clearly not working. they continue to go down in the polls. mr. trump continues to go up in the polls. so, if they don't want to keep their word, they don't to want hold to their word, that's on them, not on us. >> do you think it invalidates the whole idea of this pledge, that the republican party has made you sign, though? >> look. i think these people put their name on a piece of paper saying they're going to do something and this is what politicians do. they do something when they think it's expedient for them to do that and then they change their mind two weeks later. if they put their name on a
piece of paper and pledge to support the nominee, if if it's not going to be them, they should do that. clearly they know that's not going to be them because they're not going to be the nominee. >> corey, one of the things donald trump likes to say on the stump is latino voters love him, hispanics love him. he points to a poll in nevada doing okay among hispanic voters. a new poll out from maris and telemundo shows he's not doing so well. 70% of people in the new poll among latinos have a very or somewhat negative view of donald trump. 70%. that's a lot, corey. >> look, we can look at all the pollses we want to. every poll out in the last eight weeks has shown donald trump as a clear front-runner in this race. we've seen mr. trump now beat hillary clinton head to head. there's no question about that in the last poll, cnn's own poll shows mr. trump is a clear front-runner. we shows he does exceptionally well with african-american.
25% of those polled of african-americans say they're supporting trump. 22% of the asian population is supporting trump. his message resonates because it's time to make america great again. >> corey, besides donald trump, who do you have your eye on in this debate? who does donald trump have his eye on? who is he most worried about? >> obviously, you have a number of candidates on the stage who have held electricitied office and been involved with national foreign policy and national foreign defense spending issues. we'll let those candidates decide how they're going to prepare for their own debate. we only worry about the campaign we're involved with, which is the trump campaign. >> corey lewandowski, please come back. good luck heading into wednesday night. i should say, you have a big rally tonight in dallas as well. thanks, corey. >> thank you. >> be sure to tune in wednesday night for the republican debate right here at cnn. the main event with the top 11 candidates begins at 8:00. before that, 6:00 p.m., four
other candidates all have so much to prove, that begins at 6:00 p.m. eastern. ahead, you just saw carly fiorina, the super pac behind her, putting out a new video, perhaps showing how they will deal with donald trump. but how about the other candidates? will they go after donald trump in this debate? we will discuss. plus, the clerk in kentucky against gay marriage. she's back at work right now. moments ago a same-sex couple tried to get a marriage license. see what happened inside that office. and how will this issue play in the republican debate at the reagan presidential library, where i am right now? our coverage continues right after this.
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break news out of kentucky. a same-sex couple out of kentucky, shannon and carmen wampler-collins just received a marriage license from the clerk's office, the office of kim davis, the clerk who spent days in jail for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. this came, this issuing of the marriage license, came after an emotional kim davis said she would not personally authorize licenses that go against her belief but she said her deputies would be allowed to grant those licenses as long as they did not have her name or title on them. davis fought back tears as she stated that position. let's listen. >> i don't want to have this conflict. i don't want to be in the spotlight. and i certainly don't want to be
a whipping post. i am no hero. i'm just a person that's been transformed by the grace of god and who wants to work, be with my family. i just want to serve my neighbors quietly without violating my conscience. so, this morning i'm to fashion a remedy that reconciles my conscience with judge benning's orders. effective immediately and until an accommodation is provided by those with the authority to provide it, any marriage license issued by my license will not be issued or authorized by me. >> but the fact of the matter is, as a few minutes ago, marriage licenses are being issued from that office. want to bring in cnn's martin savidge in morehead, ken. jonathan turley is a law professor at george washington university. both men with me right now.
martin, beginning with you, the news, marriage licenses are being granted even with kim davis back at work. >> reporter: in fact, kim davis was not present inside the room when shannon and carmen wampler-collins went in to request their marriage license. she was actually behind closed doors but the media was there and watched every step of the way. it's quite clear the deputy clerk in this particular case went forward with processing of that document. so accidents it would site evee according to the judge's orders things are going as he wanted. that is, licenses are being granted to same-sex couples even though you heard in that statement the defiance in kim davis as she returned to work. hi a chance to talk to the couple just before they went in. here's how they were feeling. >> you know, i feel it's really unfortunate that she has taken things to this extreme. you know, i appreciate she has her beliefs and that she's making a stand, but to stand in
the way of the people she serves, exercising their rights, is just wrong. >> reporter: shannon and carmen have been together over 20 years. they have two teenagers and they live in lexington, but they're from this area. they clearly wanted to make a statement that now it's legal, they can get a marriage license. they came to challenge and they have won. they have walked out with that marriage license. there is more still to come. of course, there is the wedding that has to be officiated. the document is signed there. and then it's brought back and it's recorded here. in at least two of those steps, kim davis is involved. so far she is not. she has stayed out of the process. the state says it's still valid. john? >> jonathan turley, let me bring you in here. what legal issues then remain? is this a done deal as long as the court's are concerned? as long as that office is issuing licenses, nothing else matters? >> it may be a done deal. the reason i qualify that is
this state has a law different from most. it does, in fact, require for a valid marriage license to have the signature, the authorization of the clerk. many states don't have that. and, indeed, ms. davis has maintained these licenses are invalid without her signature. the question then is how that issue would ever go before a court. they obviously will take this to someone who will officiate the wedding. and that person very likely supports same-sex marriage and is likely to accept that license. but it is possible to see a challenge, including by someone like davis or others who ask for a thing called a declaratory judgment, to go to a court and say, we want to you declare these licenses are not in confirmty with kentucky law. the second issue is whether the kentucky legislature will get involved. they're not in session now. but there is two questions there. whether they want to support davis or whether they want to
fashion some accommodation for clerks so they don't have to put their name on licenses. >> it sounds like they will take the second option when they get back in session. so the legal issues really are is what happens in this period before they come back, what will a judge rule? jonathan, can a county clerk be compelled -- in this period, county court say, you have to sign these documents? it is your job to sign them, not just to get in the way of it? >> i think the judge could have ordered that. and i'm a little surprised that he didn't. i think some judges would have. the judge was desperately trying, this is to his credit, trying to sort of thread this needle. we all understand that ms. davis has deep-seeded religious beliefs, as many americans do. and he was trying as best he could to reach a resolution. i'm not too sure this will be a resolution. the other issue, by the way, when you talk about accommodation, the kentucky legislature, if it says that
clerks must be accommodated in declining to participate in certain types of activities, certain types of approvals, they will have to do that for all religions, so this could become a fairly big-ticket item if you're going to allow an accommodation for any religious beliefs for any ministerial. >> this issue far from settled. mar martin savidge, jonathan turley, thank you for being with us. the republican candidates, right now they're prepping for the cnn debate right here at the reagan library wednesday night. what are their biggest goals? what are the biggest risks for the main candidates? we will discuss. plus, boom or bust? rick perry, he's out. find out who the next candidate to drop out might be, the one who may have everything riding on this debate.
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look at that. the ronald reagan presidential library. so peaceful, yet there will be fireworks here just two days from now. i'm john berman live at the reagan library in simi valley, california. we're counting down to the republican presidential debate, just two days away. you'll hear it all right here on cnn. a brand new poll shows donald trump and ben carson have separated themselves from the
rest of the pack as we head into round two, the second debate. the poll also goes into greater detail about what vote rz think about the candidates and issues, and which voters think about what candidates and the issues. i want to talk more about this with senior political analyst ron brown, anna nor vavarro, a friend to marco rubio. ron, they call you the dean of demographic analyst. you dig into these numbers. when it comes for support for donald trump, this guy is a billionaire, has a lot of money, yet it's not the money'd folks who love donald trump. >> no, that's right. thank you for that, john. his constituency is very striking. he's competitive with upscale republicans and white-collar republicans but dominant with blue-collar republicans. in this poll today he's 43% of
republicans without a college degree. a quinnipiac national poll the other day came out with exactly that 2 to 1 ratio. the cnn poll was a little less, lopsided, but the same divide. you see trump is building a kind of blue collar populist argument. talking about hedge fund managers not paying enough taxes, skepticism about international trade, and above all, deep, deep criticism of immigration and the advocacy of positions on immigration that really no mainstream republican leader has taken. if you take them all in totality. but yet which find substantial support among that blue-collar republican base. >> anna, you know, donald trump is crushing everyone else among the regular guys. a billionaire. how is he outregular guying every other person in the field? >> i have to say, the man defies grooeft and defies logic. anything else that would sink
anybody else does not sink him. it's hard to explain it. i think somehow despite him being the elite, despite him having played the game, despite him having given money all over the place in politics, gained the system had when it comes to corporate bankruptcies, despite all of that, people see him as one of them. i remember a focus group that was done about the vote, about donald trump, where you saw blue-collar people saying, he's one of us. somehow they identify with his message, if not with his lifestyle. >> i didn't call it a skill. he has a skill as a communicator where he connects with people. so, ron, hang on one second, ron. while there is the support there from different groups, there's a lot that people don't like about donald trump also. in fact, as you look at these numbers, an astounding amount they don't like about him. >> yes. first of all, the point i make about his blue-collar support is he is articulating an agenda that makes sense for those voters. he defends entitlements and
criticizes low tax rates for, you know, wall street, which are views that i think actually resonate with the changing republican base in a way most candidates don't in the party haven't reflected. when you look at this broader question, and you look at this abc/washington post poll, it is kind of a wake-up call. when you get outside the bubble of the republican primary electorate, there are deep doubts about donald trump, and even within the primary electorate. support for his immigration policy, down around under 40%. does he have the temperament and the kind of personality to serve effectively as president? i think that's the most important one. you're looking at only about a third of registered voters overall. and i think more importantly, only about half of republicans saying, yes. as we've talked about before, john, i think that is an area that the other candidates, if they are going to kind of slow down this train, are going to have to exploit, even only about half of republicans, even though while they think he's qualified, question whether he has the temperament and the personality
to serve effectively as president. i think you have to heighten those doubts starting with this debate. >> with so many negatives, you would think these other candidates would be able to capitalize on that, yet every time they try and all the candidates who try, they seem to melt away. >> that part is true, but it's also true that, i think, you know, donald trump has managed -- donald trump and ben carson now have managed to consolidate the anti-establishment outsider vote. the rest of the field, 15 -- well, now 14 others are splitting that pizza pie amongst 14 other candidates. so, those slices look pretty, pretty small. you know, as the field goes whittling down, that is subject to change. and like i say, you know, i also think donald trump is held to a different scrutiny. they don't see him as a politician. they don't judge him as a politician. any one of the multiple kind of outrageous, controversial things he has said, would have sunk any other campaign. it's actually helped his.
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with humira, control is possible. john berman at the ronald reagan presidential library. look at that. the stage literally being set for round two of the republican presidential debate wednesday night right here on cnn. what a stage it is. with ronald reagan, the plane he used as air force one directly behind a beautiful location for what will be a pivotal debate. we just got some breaking news in the poll category. a new poll from monmouth university out of new hampshire, and it shows some fascinating movement. out in front, donald trump with 28%. but look at ben carson in new hampshire at 17%. solidifying that number two spot now across the country. john kasich in third at 11%. ted cruz at 8%. jeb bush melting away at 7%.
carly fiorina tied with him, too. want to talk about what these candidates all need to do as they head here to simi valley. for that, joined by donna brazil and margaret hoover. i want to name some candidates and i want you to tell me what their biggest goal and biggest risk is for them wednesday night. donna, i want to talk to you. front-runner, donald trump, biggest goal, biggest risk. >> there's no question, he's at the top of the polls. i think his job on wednesday night is to add a little substance to the sound bites that he's been giving. i believe that's the only way donald trump will be able to remain at the top of the polls. >> what about the risks? >> his risk, of course, is taking cheap shots and trying to column punch. the other risk, of course, is this is being held at ronald reagan library and someone should remind him not to talk too loudly. >> everything's a little different when there's a big air force one behind you and this
vector, the aura of ronald reagan surrounding you. ben carson number two nationally, number two in iowa, number two in new hampshire, now center stage, standing next to donald trump. biggest goals, biggest risks for him? >> biggest goal for ben carson is to solidify his status as the anti-trump. you saw he's number two in the polls nationally, new hampshire and iowa. he's taken a decidedly different tone than any other candidates with donald trump. he actually apologized to donald trump about his comments about religion that infer donald trump wasn't a religious person. he's not taking this guy on the nose. he's actually trying to be the opposite. if he can solidify himself as a sound alternative to the iowa voters, the new hampshire voters, who are actually sensitive and care and don't like the brashness, he actually may be able to go into the primaries a lot longer than some of these other candidates. his biggest risk is adding meat to the bones of his policy, some substance. he doesn't have the sort of policy experience and a lot --
he's obviously an advanced ne o neurosurge neurosurgeon, knows health policy. but when it comes to foreign policy, drones, all these pitfalls he hit in the past, he has to make sure he hits those key notes. >> jeb bush, not just behind in the polls, but pretty far behind, in iowa, new hampshire, and nationally. >> well, as you know, he's using an exclamation point to, i guess, say that he has a lot of energy. i think he has to show energy, he has to show that he's enthusiastic. he has to show that he's ready to take on, not just donald trump, but some of the big issues facing this country. that's his problem right now, is that people don't -- people believe he's melting. that he's not the candidate of the future. he's a candidate of the past. his last name hasn't helped him. >> yeah. >> what about a risk for him right now? i mean, he has that exclamation point behind his name on his campaign posters. will it stick? >> no, i don't think so. i think he needs to remind people that as a governor he did a lot of great things. he has a vision for the future.
that's the only way to get past his last name. otherwise, i would not get involved in what a call a tit for tat against donald trump. that helps donald trump. jeb bush probably needs to pick on scott walker or one of the other former governors and see if he can get a little bit of -- a little bit more energy going on the stage. >> all right, margaret. what about carly fiorina, one of the most captivating candidates to emerge from round one. she's on the main stage. she's getting a lot more publicity but the poll numbers, at least nationally, haven't seemed to move that much. >> carly's biggest challenge, biggest goal, is to solidify her status as a top-tier candidate. look, she has all the advantages she needs. she's an outsider from washington, the electorate is craving someone who is not a professional politician. and it's easy to break away from the kid's table like she did last time. she's got to keep that going forward so she can really solidify herself as a credible, top-tier candidate.
her biggest risk, look, she's got to answer to some of the hits against her that donald trump, frankly because he's donald trump, has picked up steam. she has to answer credibly about her business record and i think she should avoid getting into the tit for tat with donald trump. nobody has survived it yet. i don't think she'll be the first. >> all the other guys we didn't talk about, their goal, to be talked about the next time. >> to be talked about, right. >> donna brazale, that's a big goal. thank you. one person not on this stage wednesday night, rick perry. he's not coming. he dropped out. the first republican casualty in this race. big question now, who will be second? show of defiance and refusal to back down. the kentucky clerk stands her ground and says she will not issue same-sex marriage licenses. this is breaking news out of that county. the marriage licenses are being
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american airlines center, where the dallas mavericks play basketball and where motley crue will play sweet music next month. all 20,000 free tickets for the trump event are gone. scalpers are reportedly selling them now for $200. latino activists plan to greet donald trump with a rally to protest his views on immigration. a new poll finds 7 out of 10 latinos have a negative view of donald trump. i want to talk more about this big event with jonathan, the chief political writer for austin american statesmen. jonathan, texas does not have -- is not an early voting state, but one thing it does have is a lot of republican voters and a lot of those people are going to fill that arena to see donald trump tonight. >> yeah, and, in fact, texas is fairly early. it's march 1st, which is right after south carolina. and it's with about, i think, seven other southern states and a few others. so, it's a big deal. and it's got the most delegates outside of california, so this
is trump's first big appearance in texas. he was at the border in laredo for a brief fact-finding mission of sorts. but this syndicates the fact that, you know, people are scalping tickets for a free event indicates, you know, his draw. i'm heading up there right after this interview. and the -- it's at 6:00 and the doors open for media at 10:00 a.m., so i suppose that gives you about eight hours of anticipation. >> oh, wow. >> yeah. >> so, a lot of anticipation. now, the complexion just changed in texas, right? the long-time governor, rick perry, former governor, he just dropped out of the race. i imagine he had at least some support in texas. have you a sitting senator, ted cruz, running. rand paul with some texas connections in the race as well. any sense on where the texas vote is going? and i should say where the texas money is going, because that's almost just as important in some cases. >> yeah. you know, at this point, i mean,
part of the reason sort of fitting with perry's withdrawal, he was not much of a factor here anymore. you know, it was sort of a campaign of personal redemption in a crowded field with a lot of other candidates. people weren't that interested in giving him a second look. cruz is formidable and, you know, would have much more of an on the ground organization, having, you know, on the senate seat not that long ago. so, i think it's more cruz/trump. it's interesting there because cruz has, you know, sort of portrayed himself as an ally of trump's. he's been the one not to criticize him to say he's onto something. you know, at some point he'll need to separate himself if trump is still in and they obviously are very different on but, you know, i think that they social issues. are the two prime contenders. it's proportional here, so it's not winner take all. both can compete with come out with a lot of delegates but for cruz it's important because it
is his home turf. >> perry's out. who's the next to go? >> i would nominate scott walker or chris christie. walker, you know, six or seven months ago was the front-runner. he was right there with ted cruz even here in texas at the top. he's fallen like a rock since trump's got in. he doesn't project -- it doesn't seem at the last debate didn't project very well. he's now using the theme he's going to wreck havoc in washington, which seems a little bit over the top to make up for maybe his low-key persona. it sounds like something that -- the battle cry of the british in 1812 or maybe robert e. lee in 1861, but it seems like he's trying too hard. and he's now focusing his campaign exclusively on iowa and south carolina. he's skipping a big event in michigan. >> he's got a big night ahead of him. >> yeah. and the problem is -- >> wednesday night.
>> yeah. and christie has, you know, has the bridgegate scandal. >> thank you are for joining us. enjoy the trump event in dallas tonight. >> thank you. coming up, searching for new homes. thousands of refugees crossing through europe. they're desperate for help. up next, new information on how countries are changing their security policies at the border. awe believe active management can protect capital long term. active management can tap global insights. active management can take calculated risks. active management can seek to outperform. because active investment management isn't reactive. it's active. that's the power of active management.
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breaking today, children, infants among the 34 family members dead after a boat capsized in a desperate attempt to escape to europe. so many people are lining up leaving everything behind for a chance to ride a train or a boat, all to get to a better life. our ivan watson joins us right now, and he is at the border between greece and macedonia where so many of the immigrants are waiting to cross. ivan? >> john, at this border, it is an informal crossing on the border, and pretty much barbed wire here, but the greek authors into that side have been allowing through migrants and refugees here to mas donia, and it is a regulated and constant
stream of people, and in one 24-hour period more than 8,600 people crossing through, and so there are people waiting for their chance to be ushered through. and now, among the people among the refugees and migrants are working up the turkish coast through these unsea-worthy di dinghies, and that is where these boats capsized and 34 of those people on board died, and some of them children can and infants. it is a dangerous journey and all of it is strange, because that coastline is beautiful, and the tourists normally flock to those islands and beaches, and instead, people are dying there. this crowd, the wave of humanity that we have seen move through here are not going to be staying in macedonia, john, they are likely to move immediately
onwards toward the next border serbia, and they want to move onwards to countries like germany, finland and e sweden, john. >> eye vivan, quickly, are thes refugees having trouble being processed moving border to border? >> it is smooth here. they have a document here to say they can stay 72 hour, and then the macedonians usher them to trains to take them to the next country or on to buses. we have seen some problem, because an iraqi guy said that i threw my passport in the ocean, and the aegean sea and what do i do next? but for the most part, they say they can go through, and some countries say they will impose restrictions on the borders and that is where we will have bottlenecks, the people on the move start to build up on the borders, and the situation will be far more desperate in the days and weeks ahead, and that something we we will watch, john. >> remarkable image here, ivan,
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this is cnn breaking news. hi, everybody, i'm ashleigh banfield and welcome to legal view, and we will begin this hour with the breaking news on the gop presidential race, and in the primary state new hampshire, monmouth university showing donald trump a head and shoulders favorite in the new hampshire primary followed by ben carson whose support has more than tripled since july, and look at the comparatives now and july, astounding. ohio governor john kasich is climbing into third place ahead of jeb bush who is now tied for fifth, again in new hampshire. and we will go nationwide with a brand new washington post/abc