tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN September 15, 2015 6:00pm-7:01pm PDT
good evening from the reagan library in simi valley, southern california. tomorrow night the cnn republican debate. 15 candidates in all. four in the early debate. 11 in primetime. two, donald trump and dr. ben carson far ahead right now in the polls. one minutes away from speaking tonight not far from here on the los angeles waterfront. donald trump has in fact just stepped aboard decommissioned battleship "uss iowa." he's been introduced right now. he's expected to talk somewhat
about national security. however, views on border issues are drawing protesters at the event tonight. sara sidner is with him. he joins us now. sara, what's the scene outside? >> reporter: there are 200 to 250 people. walking through the crowd a little bit. lots of different signs, anderson. behind me i'm going to from mike flip around and let you see that is the "uss iowa" there and on the back of the "uss iowa" trump is speaking. about 1,000 people expected to attend the trump event, but down here these aren't folks that have tickets as you might imagine. these are folks who are here who are angry with trump and got all sorts of signs. some of them very provocative like this one here saying "unmask donald trump." and you've got other ones where you have lot s of children sayig we're not illegals. there was a fight earlier between trump supporters and folks who want trump out screaming "don't trump" at him, and certainly they're a very, very vocal crowd here tonight trying to get trump to hear their message while he tries to give his message to the crowd that he's to see him.
anderson? >> all right. sara sidner, appreciate that. vice president biden took a veiled shot at donald trump a short time ago tonight before a group of latino leaders not naming trump by name but cond n condemning in his words, quote, a guy denigrating an entire group of people. will donald trump react? we'll see that shortly. first, though, a preview of the debate and top 11 candidates. joining us right now, cnn's senior commentator, former top obama adviser david axelrod, also chief national correspondent john king and cnn senior political reporter nia malika henderson. i to run through the 11 candidates on the same during the main debate. donald trump the front roller right now polling at 32%. also the oldest candidate on the debate stage. got the most airtime the last debate. david axelrod, should he do anything different this time? >> i think the campaign is advancing. if he's serious about being a presidential candidate he can't tamper with what got him there. he has to show some moments of sobriety and substance to signal
that, you know, maybe he could actually do the job which is a problem for him. a lot of people don't think that at this point. >> let's put up dr. ben carson. in the polls, second place in the polls. he was pretty mild mannered in the last debate. joked about how he didn't get enough airtime to talk. john king, is that something he needs to do more tomorrow? >> you can make the case that ben carson has said even less about policy prescriptions on big issues than donald trump has, and yet donald trump and ben carson are going up in the polls. should he change it? i think he'll be pressed to change it though trump will be the center of attention. it will be interesting to see how the carson dynamic works out. the other candidates are more worried about trump and his ability to spend his own money. since you're using baseball cards, trump and carson never played "a" ball, never played aa ball, being governor or being in the congress, yet here they are in the major leagues. there's something in the water this year. >> they're hitting well, it's early in the season. >> there's no doubt about that. just to the left of donald trump
is going to be jeb bush, a distant third right now. he certainly has a lot of money in the bank. he's got a lot of money behind him. but is he, nia, the candidate who really needs to try to do something tomorrow to kind of break the trump's criticism of him that he's low energy? >> and put the skids on what we've seen as a slide. it showed up in his inability to raise the kind of money they wanted to this past august. i think he needs to "a" figure out a way to land a punch against donald trump. he's been doing that online and sort of on the -- >> his argument is donald trump is not a true conservative. >> he needs to do it without seeming like ned flanders, without seeming sort of like the nerdy guy. and in some ways i think he's embracing being the nerd. i think one model for him if you look at what rick snyder, the whole idea of being one tough nerd, rick snyder of course the governor of michigan, that might be a model for him. i think he just fell to the wayside in that first debate, didn't break through at all.
he's got to figure out a way to do it but not lose sort of his brand as the moderate adult in the room. >> here's the danger for bush. in a year in which -- i think this is true in every presidential election, authenticity is the watch word. >> yeah. >> what he can't do it distort himself and be what he's not. >> you say embrace your -- >> make flanders your -- >> we'll move on. ted cruz has super pac donations over jeb bush, $37 million. he's only polling, though, at 7%. david, what do you think he needs to do? >> you know what, he's chosen a different path. he's hanging around. he's trying to -- he wants to be the alternative to trump if trump blows up. he's got another concern, i think. he wants to do well in iowa. carson is doing very well with social conservatives there which is a big target for cruz. i wouldn't be surprised if in some way he challenged carson in that debate tomorrow night. >> interesting. john, let's look at mike huckabee. he's been the most aggressive
candidate, courting evangelical christian voters. he's only got 5% right now. he was in the news a lot with davis in kentucky who had refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. what do you see him doing tomorrow? >> that appearance in kentucky was a clear play for evangelicals losing in the courts, who are losing these fights. mike huckabee says the supreme court is not the final word. the supreme court is the final word. the constitution kind of says that. but that's mike huckabee's play. to david's point -- >> maybe not in the iowa caucuses. >> maybe not in iowa caucuses. to david's point, trump is leading among evangelicals. carson is a close second in iowa. if you're ted cruz and huckabee they're your -- unlike ted cruz he doesn't have tens of millions of dollars in the bank. he is in a lot of trouble. we're looking at a race, rick perry just dropped out. looking at christie, looking at huckabee, looking at rand paul as people who may in a few weeks have to think about heading to the exits. >> nia, scott walker came into this race with so much attention, a lot of people
talking about him as somebody who would be out in front. you look at his poll numbers. he's underperformed in just about all counts. he's at 5% in the polls. >> that's right. he underperformed in the last debate. his whole idea of himself is he's aggressively normal. that doesn't really work particularly in this feeield. i'm not sure it works in politics more generally. he has to get past the talking points. won three times in the last four years, taken on the unions. people want more than that and a sense he has charisma. he's thinking that if you're boring that kind of equals charisma. it doesn't really. >> he was the flavor of the month in may and june because he was going to be the guy who could bridge the gap between center right republicans and social conservatives and tea party republicans and he made a decision to dive way right to try and win the iowa caucuses. and so now he's faced with the situation where people don't really know who he is. that's a bad place to be. >> carly fiorina, she's the only one to graduate from the happy
hour debate the last time around to the -- >> we call her dead man walking. >> -- to this debate. she came under fire from donald trump famously in that "rolling stone" article last week, he was commenting about her face. he claimed he was commenting about her persona, though that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. what does she need to do? does she go after him? does she just need to kind of sell herself to the american public? >> boy, i think she has the greatest opportunity tomorrow night. you know, just as she did in that first debate, she'll be the only woman on the stage. she presents herself with great clarity. and she has shown a penchant for taking trump on and actually winning which is unusual in this group. so i look for her to be a winner tomorrow night in that debate. >> john, the last time around rand paul went after donald trump hard, perhaps harder than anybody else and right off the get-go didn't seem to do anything for him in the polls. he continues to on the campaign trail. he's talked already today about going after donald trump with both this time around even
harder. what do you think he needs to do. >> he had the big exchange with governor chrischristie. rand paul taking the libertarian get the government out of this business. chris christie saying, no, way, we need this. in a debate where we expect a lot of national security foreign policy issues, rand paul wants to be different. all the guys who thought they were going to be digfferent in the race, anderson, have been trumped by trump. >> let's listen in to trump. >> i got here, they asked a couple days ago would it be possible to come over and say a few words? an endorsement from your group with so many americans, hundreds of thousands of veterans, i really appreciate that, joe. i did not expect it. i didn't expect it. i didn't ask for it. i will say this. i am with the veterans 100%. they're our greatest people. they're being treated terribly. not only the number of deaths which are obviously that's
tantamount, what's going on is incredible, but as of two weeks ago on wednesday, the vets had the longest wait in the history of the veteran's administration. brow go in and see a doctor, you wait for days. for days. it's not going to happen. if i win, believe me, it's not going to happen. one of the things i thought i would do and i stress show strongly, the veterans hospitals, obviously they have problems. when you have to wait long hours and long days then in some cases have the doctors say i'm sorry, i'm going on vacation, believe me, it doesn't get much worse than that. so we're going to create a whole new system. we're going to take the system apart and if they're not doing the job, the veterans are going to go to private doctors, private hospitals, public hospitals, and we're going to
reimburse those doctors and those hospitals and you're going to get the greatest service of any veterans in any country because you deserve it. and that's going to be -- that's going to be broken down into something that's going to be very special. right now, and you know it, we have illegal immigrants that are treated better by far than our veterans. that's not going to happen anymore. it's not going to happen. so, joe, i just really appreciate it. so unexpected to be here as an honor. they don't build ships like this anymore, folk, you know? we don't do this way anymore. i actually said what about recommissioning? look at this thing. the largest guns in the world, most powerful guns. i learned a lot about the "iowa." by the way, iowa's a great place for a lot of reasons. you know? we have been treated so well in the state of iowa. it's been incredible. number one on the polls. and we love those people.
they're great. so this is a great ship. hawkeyes. this a great ship. this is a great state. i just want to say, we're going to come out with plan in a very short time. we're going to be building up our military. we're going to make our military so big and so strong and so great, and it will be so powerful that i don't think we're ever going to have to use it. nobody's going to mess with us. that i can tell you. and we're going to have a president who's respected by putin, who's respected by iran. you know, let's talk about for two seconds, let's talk about the iran deal. now, obama -- obama and his people call him the supreme leader of iran. obama talks about the supreme
leader. well, i'm not calling him a supreme leader. but he said the other day -- >> we've been told there would be some specifics tonight on foreign policy. haven't heard them so far. donald trump aboard the "uss iowa." we're going to take a short break. we'll listen more when we come back and update you on the protest going on nearby. rickie fowler is redefining what it means to be a golfer. quicken loans is doing the same for mortgages. quicken loans. home buy. refi. power. official mortgage sponsor of the pga tour.
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we've been told to expect specifics on national security. we have not hard any. it's a standard speech. if we hear specifics from donald trump we'll turn it around and get those to you. he hasn't gone into detail on his religious beliefs and some of what he's said, some have called irreverent. he says he's polling well with evangelical christians. the question is will that actually translate into real support from voters? more on that now from our randi kaye. >> reporter: seven iowa republicans all evangelical christians. >> when it comes to choosing a candidate does your faith and beliefs come first? >> yes. >> reporter: only one in our group is sure he's voting trump. >> the relationship mr. trump has with god is between him and god. i am not the one here to judge. >> reporter: others in the group don't agree. one of the biggest issues, trump has never asked for forgiveness
from god. >> i think if i do something wrong, i think i just try and make it right. i don't bring god into that picture. i don't. >> what it causes me to do is pray for him because he will never know the peace that he can have from forgiveness. >> reporter: trump also raised eyebrows among the group when he said this. >> when we go in church and when i drink my little wine which is about the only wine i drink, and have my little cracker, i guess that's a form of asking for forgiveness, and i do that as often as possible because i feel cleansed. okay? >> reporter: when you hear donald trump say i have a littl cracker and i feel cleansed. is that enough for you. >> i believe it represents in the symbolic fashion the body and blood of the lord jesus christ. conseque consequently, it's a serious thing for me, and so when somebody just makes it sound like, oh, yeah, i just do this and do that, yeah, that does bother any.
>> i don't feel he was 100% sincere like he really understood what communion was about. that concerns me. >> reporter: this group has heard trump say that the bible is his favorite book. but when asked about his favorite scripture, he told reporters it was too personal a question. >> when you become a christian, you want to tell others what happened to you. before i was saved, i didn't care about telling anybody about jesus christ. >> so you're saying -- >> once i gave my heart to the lord, i thought, man, everybody needs to know how to go to heaven. and i want to tell everybody. >> reporter: on other important issues like immigration the group as a whole is happy to see trump has the nerve to address it. they agree the southern border needs a wall. meanwhile, on the issue of abortion rights -- the fact that at one point he supported abortion rights and now he's pro life or says he's pro life. >> for me it just -- either you're pro life or you're not. that's where i'm at.
>> if trump turns out to be the nominee, would you all vote for him? zbl zbl >> that is the one thing we have to do. he may not be the perfect person and there isn't a perfect candidate out there that has everything but we are going to have to rally around whoever becomes the nominee. >> randi kaye joins us. what else struck withdrew about what the group had to say? >> reporter: well, anderson, we know donald trump is polling so well among evangelicals not only here in iowa but nationwide and what struck me is our group was pretty mixed. they weren't all there to support donald trump. one was supporting ben carson, another supporting rick santorum, another supporting mike huckabee. of course, they said in the end they would vote for donald trump if he was the nominee as you heard them say, but he's not their top choice. i also asked them why they think donald trump is polling so well among evangelicals. they tell me it's the same reason he's polling well among everybody else, he's bold, brash, he doesn't back down. they like that. the only thing they're
requesting from him right now is he start reading the bible from cover to cover, anderson. >> randi, thank you very much. let's get perspective are russell moore, president of the southern baptist convention's ethics commission, also trump supporter joining us, cnn commentator and former reagan white house political director, jeffrey lord. president moore, thank withdryo being with us. donald trump has been increasingly talking about his fait in recent weeks. you say he's scamming evangelicals. how so? >> because you have someone who's triviatrivializing what evangelicals believe. i don't expect a president to find something quickly in a bible, but what i expect a president to do is understand the deepest convictions that millions of evangelicals have in this country without trivi trivializing things in the way donald trump has. i can't judge donald trump's hart. i can listen to his words and
see his actions. we have a real character issue here with someone who speaks of women in denigrating terms, someone who boasts and brags about his own personal immorality, someone who has made his living in the casino industry wrecking people's lives. and then says he has nothing for which to ask good for forgiveness. that's troubling to any. >> jeffrey, why do you think he is leading among evangelicals at this point? >> because i think as the report indicated, evangelicals are not one-dimensional. they have more than one thing that they're interested in at a time. i noticed tony perkins from the family research council said more or less exactly that. you know, i would take issue with the notion that he's scamming. i mean, you can like or not like donald trump but there's no mistaking he's a genuine soul. he's a nice guy, he's a good person. he's given millions and millions and millions of dollars to charity. he's helped all kinds of people that, you know, are anot in the
public eye. i think that certainly would get him a good reference in the good book as it were. >> but if a candidate is saying, you know, the bible is their favorite book next to one he wrote -- >> he only wrote one. >> -- and he goes to church regularly and the church says, well, actually he's not an active member of this church and he doesn't -- when he talks about holy communion or the eucharist, different religions describe it in different ways, the language he's using doesn't reflect the seriousness with which many people take it. >> we're here at the ronald reagan library. ronald reagan when he was governor of california signed an abortion bill into law which he regretted later. ronald reagan was not an evangel can christian. he was like donald trump i believe a presbyterian. as he went along in his later presidential life and pre-presidential life when he was running for president, he met up with jerry fallwell, became very interested and they
became good friends and did very good with the evangelicals. i don't think he's scamming anybody. >> president moore, despite polling that has trump leading among evangelicals, as far as i know, correct me if i'm wrong, no evangelical pastor you've spoken to said they're supporting him. how do you describe the disconnect, if pastors and leaders aren't supporting him, yet the polls show at least in, you know, in the numbers this early on, evangelicals by large numbers seem to be picking him. >> well, look, evangelical christians ought to be the last people to fall for hucksters and demagog demagogues. we ought to have our consciences so shaped by the scripture we're able to recognize that sort of thing. donald trump is using the kind of rhetoric he's using and winning over everybody demographic of the american population right now. that's why we need to deal with the issue of character, we need to deal with the issue of using language to divide the american
people the way he is in really ugly and nasty ways often. and with the question of ronald reagan, ronald reagan is not someone who just suddenly turned around and said he was pro life with no explanation. ronald reagan never spoke of all the many good things that planned parenthood does. ronald reagan wrote an entire book on the sanctity of human life. he spoke regularly to why he cared about the unborn and how he would protect the unborn. and donald trump says that his sister would be a good candidate for the supreme court. this is someone who is a radical pro-abortion activist. so this is no ronald reagan. and even more than that, ronald reagan was able to communicate a character and a vision of america that included everyone and was hopeful and moved us forward into the future. that's not what we're hearing from donald trump. >> russell moore, i appreciate you being on the program. jeffrey lord as well. donald trump has just finished talking. not offering the specifics on
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donald trump has just left the battleship. he was expected to talk national security, and for the first time talked some specifics. he did not. he did, however, draw plenty of protests from members of the latino community, about 200 or so we were told are outside. let's quickly go to sara sidner who's among the crowd. sara? >> reporter: anderson, yes, the protesters moved a bit near the "uss iowa" getting as close as than kcan. the two black cars trump will be getting in at some point. some people donated about $1,000 to the group that was putting on this event, veterans for a strong america. and you'll see that the protesters have been able to move quite close and as trump was speaking they were booing, they were yelling out different messages to him hoping that he could hear them because they say california is a state that has more immigrants than any other state in this country and that
this is a wonderful place to be and that no one should be told to leave the country and that no humans are illegal. you can see some of their signs. they're pretty creative. you've got everyone from adults to children out here, anderson, about 250 people have come out saying that hay really don't want to have trump as their president. they don't like the message. and you have senators who came out talking about a bill that california has gone ahead and put forward, a resolution to divest from all trump properties. and any money that the public trust is putting into trump's properties. and there's a lot of talk about that here in california as well. politicians and regular citizens out here protesting trump. anderson? >> all right. sara sidner, appreciate it. here at the reagan library we're back with john king and joining us, chief political analyst gloria borger. so, we really did not get specifics that we kind of had been told perhaps we would, which is why we didn't play much
of the speech. it was a shorter speech than a lot of the speeches that he has given. at this point, though, for donald trump, you know, one of the things he said which we've heard plenty of times before is him talking about veterans and he has talked about a quite loudly on the campaign trail. other candidates raised issues about the v.a. as well. none perhaps as loudly and consistently as donald trump. again, not a lot of specifics from him on what he could actually do. >> no, he said, again, he'd make the military big and strong and rebuilt. he said, again, he insisted, oh, they're all skeptical, i'll make mexico pay for the wall when i build it, says china will give into him and putin will. he said he will help veterans. when he says i will help you, that's part of his appeal. he said the others won't be able to do these things because they don't get deals. it's a special instinct, i have it, they don't. it's my eighth presidential campaign, ripping up scripture, rip up the old playbook and throw it out. it does not apply to donald trump. the voters that support him are so disgusted and distrustful of
the senators and governors that when he says these thing, they want something different. whether it's donald trump or ben carson, that's where they're going right now. >> we got a hint of what he's going to do tomorrow night actually because he was talking about his opponents, we've heard it a million times, as very nice people. they're all very nice people. but what he is saying is they're incompetent. they're all -- >> they're low energy, can't make deals. >> low energy. right. they don't know how to do anything. >> hostage to the system. >> right. exactly. as he says, he used to be a part of that system. now he understands it and he's outside of it. so i think that is what we're going to hear tomorrow night and he said, also, people are disgusted with our politicians. and he represents that. you know, i represent you because i'm disgusted with them as well. >> john, you covered a lot of co campaigns, both of you have covered a lot of campaigns. it's a long slog between now and the first caucus, the battles in iowa, in new hampshire.
when does the electorate start to demand greater details? >> well, if you go back to this point four years ago, most republicans thought rick perry would be their nominee, that romney was lurking in second place and the race had structure. this race we have to give trump credit and give him the structure. early on we all thought this was a wave that was going to crash. >> absolutely. >> he would implode. >> no one anticipated him getting this far. >> he's above 30% in the national polls, leading in iowa, leading in new hampshire. nobody votes for four months so there is a possibility when we get six weeks out or a month out, maybe his numbers will go down. maybe. that's what most of the other candidates are still depending on. they still believe that this is a reality tv show that it's not a real campaign. but in the meantime, several of them won't be there. rick perry's already gone. a few more will be gone by the time iowa votes. so the question is how do you -- if there's this wave out there, do you want to get in front of it or behind it? do you take him on tomorrow night? as some candidates say they're poised to do? or do you have to make the case? the challenge for the guys with
titles -- >> donald trump leaving the battlesh battleship. >> the challenge for guys with titles is to break through with the people who don't trust them and say we need to win to govern, we're not just winning to get the building. once you win, withdryou have to govern. i know you're frustrated, please listen to me. that's hard to do in this environment. trump is adding fuel to the fire by saying disgust, disgust, disgust. >> a couple things to consider, first of all when you look at all of this polling, over 6 o% of the people being polled are saying they haven't decided yet. so this is -- and the firm trump supporters are firm trump supporters, make no mistake about that. but most of the voters right now are undecided. talking to the other campaign the, john's 100% right, i talked to somebody in the bush campaign, the walker campaign, and they were saying, you know, new hampshire voters, they're late deciders, they're notoriously late deciders. so what we ski aee are two race going on right now. the outsider race, carson/trump versus everybody else who wants to be the alternative to those
outsiders when they finally go away as they hope. as the establishment candidates hope. so they're all running in different lanes right now. they're not -- you know, they're running to be the alternative to trump or carson. >> but when you get a chance to make your move, your car has to have tires on it. >> exactly. >> the question is what shape are these guys going to be in? jeb bush is the republican party's $100 million man. his souper pac launched an ad campaign trying to keep him off life support. he's falling asleep in the polls. >> the fact they're going to spend $24 million this early in some of these states -- >> they're scared. >> they must be scared. >> why not -- you know, this is a crucial moment for jeb bush's campaign. tomorrow night is really crucial for him. he has to show passion, energy, seriousness, contrast. right? with donald trump. what they're doing is they're launching this ad campaign, so while he does that on the stage,s they can buttress it on the airwaves. look at the conservative record
of jeb bush in the state of florida. just because you hear bush, don't think of bush 41 and he's a moderate. let us tell you his story and let us also at the same time tell you, which they're also doing, that donald trump is an imposter, that he's not a conservative. >> right, ronald paul is going to be i think running a commercial during the debate -- >> right. >> -- tomorrow, again, trying to label donald trump as not a real conservative. which is the message jeb bush has been trying to push as well. >> and the conservative group, the club for growth, launched messages in iowa. we're at this moment, about to find out, this is the most unconventional campaign any of us can remember. trump and carson. the only weapons people are deploying against him are conventional weapons of politics, paid advertising, attacking him in debate os or attacking him at political rallies. will it work? one more quick point. donald trump is above 30%. if he can stay close to that number as we move on, he's in a
golden position. 25% of republican voters roughly now say they will not vote for jeb bush. jeb bush has to move that number. >> it's hard. >> he has to move that number. >> and yet. donald trump, they can run commercials and spend a lot of money. donald trump can tweet and get as much coverage perhaps as some of these commercials. >> right. that's then unconventional part of donald trump. he can also, by the way, phone in. you know, he can phone in and we put him on the air and donald trump talks to us and, you know, the other candidates quite frankly are planing to us. >> gloria borger, john king, thank you very much. donald trump leaving his campaign event. as important as words will be tomorrow night at the reagan library on the debate stage, body language could trump everything. next an expert shows where some of the candidates could improve based on the last debate.
body language. he gave gary tuchman his take on where the candidates stand and where they have room for improvement. >> jeb bush. >> the man who was the front-runner, in the beginning of all this, jeb bush who now no longer is, let's take a look at w one of his moments in his first debate. >> i have a record in until physical. i'm proud of my dad and am proud of my father, in florida they call me jeb because i owned it. >> you said he gave up authority with his body language. how did he give up authority? >> he gave up authority by tipping his head slightly to one side then the other. when we hold our head up straight we say we're in charge, we're confident. >> what does he have to do differently this time around compared to the first debate? >> show up with more confidence, more authority. he needs to be a stronger personalty. aside from not tipping his head from one side to the other, crowd his podium, he needs to lean into it. >> here's a moment between governor bush and donald trump. >> you say the mexican government, the mexican government is sending criminals,
rapists, drug dealers across the border. governor bush called those remarks, quote, extraordinarily ugly. i'd like you, you're right next to him, tell us, talk it him directly and say how you respond to that. >> you see a lot here. you see the way he's looking at trump. and you see what trump is doing with his arms. what does it all tell us? >> well, it's a wonderful little play here. what you see is trump completely ignoring bush. but bush, again, is deferring. he turns to trump and he says, all right, answer the question. but he takes a step back as he does so. which shows he's giving the stage to trump. >> this is a short clip, but a very interesting moment with ben carson who is now number two in most of the polls. >> as president, would you bring back waterboarding? >> thank you, megyn. i wasn't sure i was going to get to talk again. >> we have a lot for you. don't worry. >> what's fascinating to me is
that he was complaining that he wasn't getting a lot of airtime, and yet when he does get airtime, when the camera's on him, he's not connecting with the audience. look at that. his eyes are shut. he's looking down. it's as if he's having a conversation with himself. i think he needs to connect with the television audience much more strongly. he needs to -- he needs to look them in the eye. he needs to make his gestures to show up more confident and more authoritative. >> to use sports terms carly fiorina is moving up to the division 1 debate, the division 2 debate. let's listen to her. >> only someone who will challenge the status quo of washington, d.c., can lead the resurgence of this great nation. i will do that. >> she's, i think, a force to be reckoned with because she's saying very tough things and she's coming across as quite strong in her language. and yet she's softening it with a lot of affirmative nods and tippings of the head and smiling. and that warms her up and so you
accept what she's saying because the body language says, you can trust me, i'm your friend, i'm a nice person. >> you're telling me of all the candidates if you had to pick one to watch the closest in this debate, this would be the person to watch, carly fiorina, tell me why? >> she has by far the most difficult job. he's the only woman in a sea of men so that puts a spotlight on her but also increases the scrutiny and she also has to stand up to donald trump whom as we've seen has sucked all the air out of the room in the first debate and likely to do so in the second. >> well, different candidates, of course, have different ways of prepping for debates. what works for one may not be effective for another candidate. donald trump likes to say he doesn't prepare at all for the debates. let's talk about this with brett o'donnell, president of o'donnell & associates who's working with lindsey graham's campaign and has been helping senator graham prepare for tomorrow night's debate. you've also worked with john
mccain going against then-senator barack obama. you also worked with george bush going against john kerry. how do you prepare a candidate to go against donald trump? >> well, i think you don't want to think about just donald trump. i think that's a mistake. if you teach your candidate to just focus on him, i think you're making a big mistake. i think the biggest thing you need to do is teach your candidate to get message and drive message out. >> their message to the public. >> their message to the public. if you're just debating donald trump you're taking his bait really so what you've got to do is be prepared to drive your message then effectively counterpunch donald trump should he attack you. >> ronald paul was aggressive in the last debate going after donald trump just out of the blue. >> i think that's a mistake because you're playing right into donald trump's hands. i mean, he's made a living -- he even says i'm an effective counterpuncher and he has been pretty effective. so if you go after donald trump first, i think you're playing in into his hands. the best way is to drive your message and really the two people who are loving life in this primary right now are
hillary clinton, barack obama, because when the candidates are fighting among each oather they're not going against them. >> in terms of body language is that something "a" you put a lot of stock into and something you actually counsel clients on? >> absolutely. >> really. >> there's so much. audiences say they get as much as 65% of meaning from how someone says something, not just what they say. and so if you think back in 2004, george w. bush who i coached in the very first debate, had great substance, but he had a lot of problems with body language, on the podium, sighing, those type of things. the 2000 debate, al gore -- >> the sighing. looking at his watch at one point. >> that was george h.w. bush looking at his watch during the presidential debate. so body language, you may not intend to communicate something but might unintentionally so we have to pay attention to how you say what you say, not just what
you say. >> dr. ben carson seems to defy a lot of the conventional wisdom about how you present yourself. he is very soft spoken, yet it comes off perhaps as authentic. people seem to like it. >> yeah. i mean, i think he's communicating an air of humility, the way he communicates. and so people know he's smart. he's a neurosurgeon, and so i think the way he communicates, the style that he uses, says i'm a humble man, but i want to be your representative. and i think a lot of people are taken to that. i'm very interested to see how donald trump confronts now that person tomorrow night. >> i've been watching your body language, i'm taking notes. some free advice here. thank you very much. i appreciate it. just ahead tonight, with a wink and nod to tomorrow night's debate, we're taking a look at the most memorable moments from debates past. we'll be right back. when your windshield needs fixed, trust safelite. for these parents, driving around was the only way... ...to get their baby to sleep. .
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>> there is no soviet domination of eastern europe. i'm sorry -- >> raise your hand now if you won't make that pledge tonight. >> mr. trump -- >> one of the programs we abdicate what is the -- >> i am not going to exploit for political purposes myopoint's youth and inexperience. >> i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedys with a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> the third agency of deposit -- >> yeah, i would do away with the education, the -- commerce and let's see i can't, the third one i can't, sorry.
oops. >> that's what our next question is about. >> hello, democratic candidates. as president, what will you do to ensure that my son will live a full and happy life. >> it's not like what's your philosophy and what's your position on issues, but can you get things done. >> and i believe i can. >> who am i? why am i here? >> senator clinton tried to spend $1 million on the woodstock concert museum. now, my friends, i wasn't there. i was -- i was tied up at the time. >> it's true now. >> rick, i tell you what, $10,000 bucks? $10,000 bet? >> will you -- i am paying for this microphone. >> that's what a governor -- >> i don't think i'm that bad.
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