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and that i think poses a real threat for the country. keep tweeting me @smerconish. i'll see you next week. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> it is 7:00 here in new york. i'm poppy harlow. we begin this hour with breaking news out of our nation's capital. we have just heard that something extraordinary will happen tomorrow. a an event so rare and so history making that president obama has only done it twice in his entire time in office. he will address the nation from inside the oval office. it will happen at 8:00 eastern time. of course cnn will carry this presidential address live. let's go straight to cnn's chris who joins me live in washington this evening. we just learned about this in the last few moments. do we know what the president is say and what he is focusing on tomorrow night. >> poppy, we are getting some indication of that. big breaking news out of the
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white house. president obama will make a rare address to the nation tomorrow night at 8:00 about what the government is doing to keep americans safe. the oval office address will touch on the investigation into the isis-inspired attacks in california that killed 14 people earlier this week. the white house said obama will also address, "the broader threat of terrorism, including the nature of the threat, how it has evolved, and how we will defeat it. he will reiterate his confirmed conviction that isil will be destroyed and that the united states must draw upon our values, unwaivering commitment to justice, equality and freedom and prevail over terrorist groups that use violence to construct their ideology. the white house says the presidency updated him on the investigation into the california shootings and highlighted several pieces of information that point to the attackers radicalization to
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violence. now we already know about one piece of evidence suggesting radicalization. that was a facebook post by the female shooter pledging allegiance to the leader of isis. during the briefing, which that included the fbi and cia directors, the attorney general, and the homeland security secretary. the white house said officials reiterated that there is no evidence yet that the killers were part of a larger terrorist cell. remember, on friday the fbi said incident was investigating the attacks as an act of terrorism. and, poppy, people will be watching what the president has to say about that and the investigation more generally tomorrow night, as well as listen to go hear how the president plans to deal with the larger issue of defeating isis. so that's what we have tonight, poppy. lots of big breaking news in the nation's capital. lots of eyes on the white house as well. >> chris, thank you very much. we of course will carry that live for you here on cnn. i want to go straight to cnn senior political analyst, david
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gurgen. as we heard from chris, this happened only twice in this president's term in office. it happened both times in 2010. first announcing the end of u.s. combat operations in iraq. second, after the gulf oil spill. david, how big is this? >> it's big. because president obama has been reluctant to use the oval on office. his predecessors used it far more frequently to address the company. all of which would suggest this is a bigger speech. and also suggests i believe that it be in the field in the middle east or here at home. it is more of a rea shurps that he is taking actions.
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at 8:00 at the oval office. it is going to be big. >> david gergen, you have been inside the rooms making these decisions before with other presidents. what does the nation need to hear from its commander in chief? >> well, it needs to know that first and foremost that people want to know are my kids going to be safe. and the second thing they want to know is am i going to be safe. so he has to give assurance this is going to improve people's personal security. there is a lot of fear in this country right now. it is reminiscent of 9/11. i think the level of fear is the same thing, the same level as before. i must tell you that i think that in order to convince people, he's going to have to take bold steps. undoubtedly boots on the ground in the middle east. but it certainly must mean a crackdown on homegrown terrorism.
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it's going to be hard for him to convince the country that we should take in refugees from syria. it will make that case a lot harder. i don't think that works. >> david, the context of this, this announcement, we're learning this today just a few hours after he had that meeting with his national security team today. one would think that contributed to this decision ask make an announce. . can you take us into the process with the president and his senior advisers when you say, all right, we're going to make only the third oval office address in your presidency. potentially the lost oval office address in his presidency. he doesn't have that much more time in office. how do you come to that decision? >> well, the first decision is what is it you want to achieve? i would assume as soon as they
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learn there were terrorist ties with this couple in san bernardino, that the president, all of his advisers said, look, we have to take steps here. and we have to do concrete things. you come up with a list. let's come up with a menu of options. this morning they got together. probably in "the situation room" or somewhere else in the white house in which they reviewed what those steps might be. they made the decision, okay, we have a concrete action plan. let's decide how to announce it. i would assume it is big enough they thought this deserved an oval office. >> david gergen, thank you so much for that. you will be with us tomorrow night. special coverage hosted by my colleague wolf blitzer tomorrow night. special coverage at 7:00 p.m. ahead of the oval office address which we will carry for you live in its entirety. our entire political team will be with us tomorrow night for that. thank you very much. also, i want to take you now to
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san bernardino, california. a federal law enforcement source confirming to cnn just today a search warrant has been served at the home of a man who bought two of the rifles used in wednesday's massacre. we are gathering more details in washington. national security advisers briefing the president today, telling them there is no evidence so far of a larger terror network at play outside these two shooters, even though isis has not taken responsibility for the attack, they did praise it today on their video program calling the two individuals on your screen supporters. stephanie elam is outside the couple's home in redlands, california. talk about the significance of this warrant. >> well, it is important to know, poppy, these rifles were not purchased just before these events. they had been purchased previously. what the search warrant was about, what we believe it was about is searching the house of the person who bought these
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rifles in the past. the person who had acquired these. we do not know if anything was removed from the house. we do not know if they found what they were looking for. we know it happened in the early morning hours here in california where they had the search to gain some information. and i believe the reason why they may be doing this is they are rounding out all of their edges, knowing where all the pieces fall into the puzzle and making sure there isn't another head of the snake that may be out there who played a part. >> that's what i was wondering. as you heard, the national security team advising the president today saying that there is -- it doesn't appear at this time that this was part of a larger web like what we saw in paris. what are people on the ground there, stephanie, saying? i know neighbors had absolutely no idea there was anything awry here. >> yeah. as of now, it appears to be a case of lone wolves. maybe not ape lone wolf but a
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lone wolves situation where they were operating together. the neighbors that have spoken said they pretty much kept to themselves. they looked like a normal family with a young child. remember, they had a 6-month-old daughter they have left behind. so a lot of signs saying they just stayed quiet, to themselves, and were blending in. and that may be the scaryest part about this whole development is they were doing this on their own, inspired what they had seen overseas. >> stephanie, will you stay with me? i want to join in this conversation with cnn security and intelligence analyst bob baer. you heard what stephanie said. potential lip lone wolves. no one knew around them what was going on. law enforcement had no idea. how is that possible when you have what they have described, law enforcement has described as a home made bomb lab with 4,000 rounds of ammunition, 12 pipe bombs, and numerous tools to make ieds. how is it possible that no one knew? >> poppy, somebody knew. seriously.
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number one is the attack. let's do not forget it was a military assault. you don't pick this up by getting stuff off the internet. someone had practice with those weapons. they had to reload them. the speed. throwing the bombs out to disengage from the police and on and on and on. there was some training. i can speculate who got it. make it was her in pakistan with that mill at that point in time group that did bombay. i do not know at this point. the smashed phones, smashed hard drives. they were trying to hide a larger network. but the case remains -- go ahead. >> they weren't that sophisticated, bob. because they tried to alter these weapons to make them sort is of fully automatic, if you will. they didn't succeed at that. these pipe bombs apparently were in effective, weren't working. >> the pipe bombs, yes. they were very primitive.
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but the actual attack entering the target, the surprise speed and extreme violence at the objective is a classic military assault. they got out before the police could intercept them. th were apparently on to a second attack. this is not the profile of beginners. somebody knew something. somebody practiced. maybe in california. and they had some communications with the smashed cell phones. i do not buy playing this down as a one off, almost an accident. i think it's more serious. i think there are more networks out there. and somebody was radicalized in saudi arabia or pakistan. so in that sense the radicalization did occur overseas. >> what does the target tell you? go ahead, stephanie. >> i am standing in front of the place where the killers were living. one thing i noticed about the garage. it is like an alley where the garages face each other. there's nothing else back there.
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it is not like a house where you have the garage in front and you can drive up and see what's going on there. not to say no one didn't know what was going on. i don't want to dispute that. i want to clarify one thing. we believe this activity was going on in the garage, which is separate from the townhome. you have to walk outside to get to it. it is its own building. we did not see in there. but it is not like neighbors are out and can see what's going on. because it is removed in the back and all the garages face each other in in alley. >> that is a great point. thursday the fbi was going through that garage. bob baer, i was going to ask about the target. what do you make of the fact that the target was his colleagues at a holiday gathering, work event? usually in these terrorist attacks we have seen sort of targets where they don't know anyone. >> well, poppy, in this case, you have to look at the islamic state and their propaganda is they want to create the most
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violence and shock. and they did exactly that in killing friends and colleagues. i mean, it's the enemy that's among us that we can't see, which is so shocking to americans. this is why the president is going to address the nation. this is much more shocking to us as americans than attacking, for instance, a federal building. because, you know, that's within their framework. but this group is so violent and so unpredictable. and they will go to any degree that they will will kill friends and colleagues. i find that much more disturbing than if they had shot up somebody in a uniform. >> bob, you're a former cia operative. what does the intelligence community want to hear from their commander in chief tomorrow night? >> david gergen said, are we safe? i don't think we are. i'm not panicking.
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this isn't the end of the republic. but we want to know what the fbi can do to identify these people and stop them in advance. if those people had taken the same garage and made were t a at bombs, acetone and per oxide bombs, they could have done a lot more damage and hit a major structure. they didn't have the skills to make the bombs, not like the paris people. they could have potentially done the same damage as occurred in paris. >> stephanie, quickly to you, what about the word there. what do the people there want to hear from the president? >> oh, i think a lot of people just want to know they're safe. it is the same thing bob is saying. is this the new normal? a lot of people not wanting to believe that. we are not in a big city. this is not big city. this is not los angeles. we are removed from here. these are the places that people don't think stuff like this happens. they don't think this happens in their neighborhood. that's what makes people so unsettled. >> bob baer, thank you.
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stephanie elam, thank you very much. again, special coverage of the president's address will be 8:00 tomorrow night. straight ahead, police in florida shoot and kill a man today in broad daylight after he allegedly attempted to rob a bank. all of it caught on camera. >> the subject went into the bank, handed over a note, saying he had a bomb and that he was robbing the bank. just spoke with the man who shot the cell phone video of the killing. that interview is next. other wireless carriers make families share data. some way to say happy holidays. switch to t-mobile now and get up to 4 lines with up to 6gb each. just $30 bucks a line, that's 6gb each plus unlimited video streaming with binge on™. stream netlfix, hbo now , hulu and more without using your data. and now unwrap the samsung galaxy s6 for $0 upfront and just $10 bucks a month. this year tear into the holidays with t-mobile.
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the man who captured a deadly police shooting on his cell phone camera today talking one on one with cnn about what he saw. the shooting happened earlier today in broad daylight in miami beach in front of dozens of bystanders. police gunned down a man they say just tried to rob a bank and was armed with a straight razor. you spoke with the man. he shot the cell phone video. now, really still the only vantage point we have of the killing, right? >> reporter: yeah, poppy. that's what we have seen so far. there were several people out here today who actually witnessed what happened. this all started with an attempted bank robbery reported at 10:30 this morning. police say the man had handed over a note to the teller demanding money and also claiming to have a bomb. when police arrived on the scene, that man was found at a
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nearby barbershop where police say he grabbed a straight edged razor. the man who recorded that disturbing shooting described for us what he said he saw happen next. take a listen. >> he came outside on. he was basically yelling gestures out to the police officers and the officers were, you know, like giving him directions, please put down the weapon. calm down. we're trying to help you. that lasted about five minutes. right after five minutes, they decided to go ahead and shoot him. the cops didn't want to kill him or shoot him. they didn't ask him to die. but he put himself in that situation. obviously now we know he was trying to rob a bank. it led all the way to that point where i shot the video. the feeling that i have behind it is a little sketchy. because the police officers are getting a bad wrap across the world. but this particular situation,
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they tried to calm him down for a good amount of time. they gave him enough opportunity to surrender. >> now, the shooting is still under investigation. you can see police are still here at the scene hours later. police have not yet released the name of the man who was killed. the officer who fired his weapon we have learned is a six-year veteran. we have also learned there is police body cam video of the shooting. but that video, poppy, is not being released for now. >> alina, do we know anything else about what the police are saying? i think hearing from that eyewitness is such an important perspective. he takes us into the five minutes before what we see happen. what else are police saying? >> reporter: yeah. police aren't releasing many details about those moments right before the shooting happened, right before those shots were fired. but they did say that the man was armed with that razor.
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and you could see it in the video. he is waving the razor around. there are a number of officers around him. the man we talked to said the officers were trying to talk to the guy, trying to get him to calm down, trying to get him to listen to their commands. something happened in those seconds that the officer felt threatened and fired his weapon. >> alina, thank you very much. appreciate it. breaking news on a potential terror attack today in london. we will tell you what happened in the london q station right ahead. this holiday season, get ready for homecomings. i see you brought a friend? i wanna see, i wanna see. longing. serendipity. what are the... chances. and good tidings to all. hang onto your antlers. it's the event you don't want to miss.
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all right. breaking news and a possible terror attack in london. today police say a man armed with a large knife stabbed three
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people in an east london underground tube station at 7:00 local time. you're looking at video from twitter. it appears to show the alleged incident. police subdued the suspect with a stun gun and arrested him. one stabbing victim does have is serious injuries. two others suffered minor injuries, we're told. joining me now is phil black, national correspondent. what do you know? >> to give an idea how chaotic this was. because these videos have been posted online. you can see the man with the knife. the moment he's confronted by police. we won't show you this. there is a lot of blood on the ground following one of the stabbing incidents there. he has been confronted by police. you can hear them screaming, telling him to drop the knife. and then taser is discharged possibly twice. and then he is detained.
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three injured, one seriously. but the injuries there are not life threatening, which is good news. the police have said they are treating this as a terror attack. potential terror incident. the reason perhaps is, according to witnesses being reported widely in the british media, this man was heard to say this is for syria repeatedly. police haven't confirmed that specifically. but as i said, they are treating it as a terror attack. you can't hear him saying in in any of the videos. but on one you can hear a man screaming at the attacker on the ground. once he's been detained, the man telling him you are no muslim, poppy. >> all right. when you look at this, people in london, london has been the victim of terror attacks in the past. i know it's early hours here, but how are they reacting? >> well, just a lot of shock.
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this happened at 7:00 p.m. i think on a saturday night. >> right. >> very busy time for the london under grouped. christmas party season. a lot of people out and about. and the timing is different. this is the week that britain a has just begun launching terror attacks against isis in syria itself. there was a parliamentary debate days ago. strikes began almost immediately. and now we have this incident. one of the concerns that has been discussed through this, and britain was talking about perhaps joining military against isis in syria, could it make britain a bigger terror target. the government's argument was britain is already very close to the top of the list of potential aspirational terror targets from isis's point of view. so you're not increasing the risk any further. that was the government view.
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having said that, here we are a couple of days later with what is being reported as a terrorist attack. >> phil black live in london, thank you, phil. appreciate it. we'll bring you more on what is being treated as a terrorist attack in london. >> president obama will address the nation from the oval office tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. this is a very rare event. this is only the third time in his entire presidency that he will make such an address from the oval office. much more on that next.
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updating ow break news out of the white house this evening. for only the third time in his presidency, president barack obama will address the nation tomorrow night from the oval office. cnn will of course carry it live at 8:00 eastern time sunday night. we know the speech will be
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mainly about terror and about the massacre in san bernardino this week. i asked chris frates what we know the president might say. >> president obama will make a rare address tomorrow night at 8:00 about what the government is doing to keep americans safe. the oval office address will also touch on the investigation into the isis-inspired attacks in california that killed 14 people earlier this week. the white house said obama will address "the broader threat of terrorism, including the nature of the threat, how it has evolved, and how we will defeat it. he will reiterate his firm conviction that isil will be destroyed and that the united states must draw upon our values, our unwaivering commitment to justice, equality, and freedom, to prevail over terrorist groups that use violence to answer a destructive ideology. poppy, the news comes on the heels of a meeting the president held with his national security
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team this morning. the white house said they updated him on the california shootings and highlighted several pieces of information that point to the attackers's radicalization to violence. we already know about one piece of evidence suggesting radicalization. a facebook post by the female shooter pledging allegiance to the leader of isis. during the briefing, that included the fbi and cia directors, the attorney general, and the homeland security secretary. the white house said officials reiterated that there is no evidence yet that the killers were part of a larger terrorist cell. remember, on friday, the fbi said it was investigating the attacks as an act of terrorism. and, poppy, people will be watching the -- what the president has to say about that and the investigation more generally tomorrow night as well as listening to hear how the president plans to deal with the larger issue of defeating isis. so that's what we have tonight, poppy. lots of big breaking news in the nation's capital.
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lots of eyes on the white house tomorrow. >> chris frates, thank you very much for us. the president's address to the nation tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. we will carry it in its entirety on cnn. >> weeks after helplessly watching terrorist gun down their fans, eagles of death metal will reportedly return to paris for what is sure to be an emotional performance according to billboard magazine. they will take the stage with u2 who had their concert plans in paris interrupted that weekend by terror. tomorrow, monday, u2 will perform for the city that adores their music and long embraced its night life as a defiant response to the terrorists. they have been vocal about conflict such as the one in ireland with sunday, bloody sunday. i sat down with fareed to talk about all of this and more. thank you for being here,
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fareed. i appreciate it. it is an extraordinary interview. they don't speak publicly that often. what stood out to you the most? >> i was struck by the passion with which they really wanted to play in paris. what they call an act of joyous defiance. the kind of music they do. the connection they have to this whole problem of terrorism. remember, they come out of the word of the irish terrorism and british response. so you hear and see almost a desire to just get there and make their statement. >> did you think about even playing the next day? was it even possible? >> we first hoped we could play the next day. then we realized how serious it was. >> actually, we didn't have a choice. within a few hours of the problems starting, we were given word by the city that they were
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shutting all events. so it wasn't -- >> it wasn't even our decision. >> no we were very determined to get back as quick as we can. paris is a very romantic city. you know, the essence of romance is defiancdefiance. defiant joy we think is our band. they are a death cult. we are a life force. celebrating all things we love. food, soccer. they are trying to destroy those things. they don't like women. what else is there? music, women. so really. and we sense that defiance in paris. and the word from our fans is i think 300 tickets. something really spot on for the rescheduled show. there are probably people coming from other continents. i don't know. >> everyone who could have been there. >> everyone. >> what stood out to me, fareed,
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is when they told you about the paris, they are calling that the expression of humanity. does that strike you? >> very much so. i was struck by how eloquent the edge was in talking about the importance of france in the history of western civilization. the history of the enlightenment. bono said, you know, america is after all a country based on an idea. but in some ways it is a french idea. what he meant is ideas of liberty. they were very articulate on that subject. they saw paris as a symbol of beauty and a symbol of western freedom. >> bono used these words. that -- when i heard them i took a step back. death cult versus life cult. and talking about going back and playing and why that is so
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important. death cult versus life cult. >> he said what do they want to do, groups like isis and the taliban? they want to come in and ban music, ban dancing. they don't like girls. he looks up and he laughs and said what else is there? to him, really this idea of what we celebrate in the west what the french call the joy of life, the joy of living. to him it was the opposite of everything isis stood for. >> i was in paris for 10 days in the wake of the attack. and you saw that defiance among the french people, not staying home, coming out to the republic e. that was their way of countering this terrorism. moving to terror in a global perspective, i mean, we see the united states right now reeling from its own tragedy. the attack in san bernardino. you wrote recently in the "washington post" discussing some of the muslim rhetoric we
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have seen recently. i want to read part of that. the reality is muslims are today the most despised minority in america. their faith is constantly criticized. they face insults, discrimination, and a dramatic rise in acts of violence against them. you write, in a leading republican candidate flirted with the idea of registering muslim as a form of punishment that has not been seen sense the internment of japanese americans in the 1940s. this is the first time i can watch politicians pander to mobs and congratulate themselves for their political courage. my question to you, fareed, do you think voters will ultimately punish politicians that say these things or reward them? >> i hope they would punish them, but i fear they will reward them. look, throughout history and in times of crisis, in times when the order is unsettled, fear is a very powerful emotion. and demagogues know that. demagogues know if you prey on
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people's fears, it's much easier to get a rise out of them. it's much easier to get them to vote from their gut, from the uncomfortable, uneasy feeling that people have. untpor unfortunately that's what a lot of american politicians are doing. >> a mass shooting. yet another in this country. an occurrence that is far, far too frequent. you have written about this. i spent part of the past week in san bernardino, california. you compared it to the u.s. reaction when we know something is terrorism. when we label it terrorism. we will not spare any costs. billions upon billions of dollars. lives lost. wars fought. when it comes to mass shootings in this country, you argue a lot of hand ringing, political bickering, ultimately what? >> well, if you look at the statistics i point to. since 9/11, the number of people -- americans killed in acts described as international terrorism, i think it was about
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50. let's say it has gone up to 75 now. in that much time, 150,000 americans have been killed by homicides and a much larger number in gun suicides. and we do nothing. if anything, gun laws have become easier. it has become easier to access guns. president obama pointed out something that even i was struck by. he pointed out there are potential terrorists on no approximate fly lists. those same people can go into any gun store in america and buy whatever semiautomatic weapons they want and the government can't do anything about it. so there's some kind of weird mismatch here where when we think it is so threatening other, particularly if it's another looks, feels, sounds different, we are willing to do all kinds of things. we invade two countries, spend hundreds of billions of dollars,
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deprive ourselves of our own liberties, things like the patriot act. but we won't ask for gun registration or background checks, simple common sense stuff. i don't know. sometimes i think we have just gotten used to this. where we think it is like traffic accidents. but it isn't. there are sensible procedures we can take. look, we have so much evidence from around the world that this stuff works. australia used to have mass shootings. they put in place gun laws. they have not had a single mass shooting since then. >> what did you think when you read the bbc headlines just another day in america? >> sad but true. we now are at a point where, as you know, we have had more mass shootings than there are days in this year. again, as i point out, that doesn't count the number of suicides. we have this extraordinary number of suicides. people try to kill themselves all over the world. we succeed. because, again, we have this easy availability of guns.
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watch list. yet the massacre sparked a fresh round of debate over gun control measures in this country. renee marsh reports. >> enough, enough, enough. >> reporter: a predictable refrain. the gun control debate re-ig nated once again after a bloody attack in san bernardino, california. increased urgency to stop suspected terrorists from being weapons. >> the bill is the definition of a no-brainer. if someone is too dangerous to board an aircraft they are too dangerous to buy a gun. >> reporter: the proposed fix, using terrorist watch lists, including the no-fly list, that stops suspected terrorists from boarding planes, to also be banned from buying weapons. since 2004, there have been more than 2,200 firearm background checks for people on terror watch list. about 91% of the transactions were approved. under current federal law, a
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person cannot be prohibited from explosives or firearms simply because they appear on the terror watch list. however, a felony conviction or illegal immigration status can disqualify someone. hours after the massacre, president obama pushed for change in the country's gun laws. >> we have a no-fly list where people can't get on planes. but those same people we don't allow to fly could go into a store right now in the united states and buy a firearm. >> reporter: but such a law would not have prevented the mass shoot anything san bernardino. neither killer was on the terror watch lists. farook illegally purchased two of the guns in the massacre. >> not one of these mass public shootings that the president has spoken out about during his administration would have been stopped or affected number any way by any of the laws he's pushing.
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>> reporter: critics say individuals wrongfully place on the terror list would be stripped of their constitutional right to own a gun. while the fbi cannot stop the purchase, they are made aware when someone on a terror watch list has been cleared to buy guns or explosives. if the fbi used about that at that point they have the power to block the sale. they have done it before. legislation has been proposed in both the house and the senate to prevent people on terror watch lists from purchasing guns. but it's gone nowhere in congress. republican may marsh, cnn, washington. renee, thank you very much. next, remembering the lives cut short in california this week. we will honor the victims. stay with us. this holiday season, get ready for mystery. what's in the trunk? nothing. romance. 18 inch alloys. you remembered. family fun. everybody squeeze in. don't block anyone. and non-stop action.
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shooting, the 14 people who died were more than co-workers, friends who considered themselves like a family, a family that is now shattered. day by day they are learning more and more about the lives that were cut short. here is cnn's randi kaye. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: sierra claiborne was 27 when she died on san bernardino. on facebook she said i'm dedicated to enjoying my new life god so graciously gave me. i thank him and live life to the fullest. i love my life. she's a chemistry major and a friend called her a bright star he could always count on for support. michael rey monday wetzel leaves behind six children. >> my name is mike. this is our ginger bread carly in the nutcracker this week. >> reporter: a friend told the l.a. times wetzel loved babies.
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he coached a group of 5-year-old girls learning soccer for the first time. in the chaos after the shooting his wife posted my husband was in the meeting where the shooting happened. i have not been able to get in touch with him. please, please pray that he is okay. wetzel was 37. this woman fled to america from iran at 18 to escape islamic extremism and the persecution of christians following the iran yin revolution. after a stop in new york city, bennetta bet-badal got married and have three children ages 10 to 15. >> everything she touched bloomed. doing what she did with the county, there is not one person that would say anything negative about her. >> reporter: 46-year-old bet-badal graduated with a degree in chemistry. loved ones said it's the
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ultimate irony her life would be stolen by the same type of extremism she fled so many years ago. at 52 nicolaus thalasinos was described as a very devote believer. that he were jews and became born again a few years ago. he was outspoken about islamic terrorism, i'm sure he went down fighting and protecting people his wife said. 31-year-old tin nguyen was looking forward to getting married. one cousin told the pipe you are you cannot imagine how caring she is. she had such a big heart. days before the shooting she was reportedly trying on wedding dresses and her mother said they were planning a wedding and now they are having a funeral. randi kaye, cnn, atlanta. in ou.
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it is time for tonight's number, the number tonight 2,043, the number of cases where suspected potential terrorists were able to buy guns from licensed american gun dealers between 2004 and 2014. as we reported here a few molt s moments ago, people can buy handguns and rifles and the accountability office, nine out of ten times the same people succeed in making gun purchases legally. earlier this year democratic senator diane of new york and the dangerous terrorist one day after the massacre and put down the bill. thank you for joining us.
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