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hange the way you experience tv. square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we have a terrific show for you this week with two big exclus e exclusiv exclusives. first up, president obama's national security advisor, susan rice. on the word wide terror threat, isis, syria, russia and turkey. and bono and the edge. ♪ u2 were in paris when terror struck that city.
they will play there tonight in an act of joyous defiance. before they left for france, i talked to the politically minded rock legends about terror from the ira to isis. how their music fights evil and how we should all respond to terrorism but also to the refugees from those war torn regions. >> this idea of only take christian refugees, this is not the american idea. also, one of america's most important allies. the super star of revolutions of 1989 has taken a dangerous turn toward authoritarianism. it's a story we should all be paying attention to. first, here's my take.
the most recent act of horrific violence this america in san bernardino, california was perpetrated by a muslim man and woman. there are around three million muslims in the united states. almost all of whom are law-abiding citizens. how should they react to the actions of the couple that killed 14 people this week? the most commonly heard response is that muslims must immediately and condemn these acts of bar barty. she made her case to nbc chuck todd after the paris attack. >> when you look at the majority of terrorist attacks in the united states, according to the fbi, the majority of domestic terrorist attacks are committed by white male christians. when those things occur, we don't suspect other people who share their faith and ethnicity
of condemning them. we assume these things outrage them just as much as anyone else. we have to afford that same assumption of innocence to muslims. >> muslims do face a double standard. i understand why. they don't just happen to be muslim. they claim to be motivated by religion, cite religious justifications and tell their fellow muslims to follow in their bloody path. there are groups around the world spreading this and trying to seduce muslims to become terrorists. in these circumstances it's important for the majority of muslim who is profoundly disagree with jihad to speak up. it's important to remember that it is an overwhelming majority who disagree. there are 1.6 billion muslims on the planet. if you took the total number of deaths from all terrorism last year, around 30,000, and assume
that 50 muslims were involved in planning each one, a vast exaggeration, it would still add up to less than 0.1% of the world's muslims. while i do believe that muslims bear a special responsibility to speak up, non-muslims have a responsibility not to make assumptions based on such a small minority. individuals should be judged as individuals and not under group characteristic. it's dehumanizing and un-american to do otherwise. americans view a muslim as someone who is actively propagating some dangerous ideology like a communist activist. it's not just donald trump. republican candidates are vying with each other to make declarations about islam and all muslims. it's not just on the right.
the television personality and outspoken liberal bill mah are, made the broad generalization, if you're in this religion, you probably do have values that are at odds with american values. what is most bizarre is to hear this anti-muslim rhetoric described as brave truth telling. trump insists he will not be silenced on the issue. chris christie says he will not follow a politically correct national security policy. they are simply feeding a prejudice. the reality is that muslims today are the most despised minority in american. they're faith is constantly criticized. they face insult, discrimination and a dramatic rise in acts of violence against them as max fisher has detailed. the leading republican candidate has flirted with the idea of registering all muslims, a form of collective punishment that's
not been seen since japanese americans in the 1940s. it's the first time that i can recall watching politicians pander to mobs and congratulate themselves for their political courage. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my post this week. let's get started. we'll get to my exclusive interviews with susan rice, the national security advisor and b bono and the edge of u2 in a moment. i want to first tackle the shooting in san bernardino, california and the shooters connection with isis. i want to bring in my colleague who was part of the cnn team that broke the story of the female attackers pledge of allegiance to isis. explain why the fbi is
investigating this as an act of terror. >> the fbi says they have good reason to do so. now we have details on what the reasons are. one, this facebook posting, a pledge of allegiance to the isis leader by the wife. tashfeen as this attack was under way. significant in its own right because we know there's prese e precedence for this. the male suspect had contact with known suspects. that's been shown in the past as a path not only to radicalization but those contacts have proceeded people who have chosen to go carry out acts of terror. the final reason is the most obvious, the enormous arsenal
they amassed. as well as more than a dozen pipe bombs that looked similar to design to those recipes put out there by groups. >> what are they looking at in terms of figuring out what really strikes me as this puzzle of what exactly radicalized this couple? >> it's still a subject of investigation. as you know that's often complicated story with multiple threads. they are looking at multiple threads. one that they are looking at is the wife was the instigator of this. they don't know it because colleagues and family said he changed. became more conservative after he married her. that said, other families have said that the change occurred before they were married. that's still a path of inquiry. >> thanks. terrific reporting. next, an exclusive interview with president obama's national
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let's get to our first interview of the show. susan rice has been the security advisor for more than two years. she was the u.s. representative at the u.n. when i sat down with ambassador rice on thursday, much was still unknown about the shootings in san bernardino. the topic of terror was at the top of mind. >> ambassador rice, thank you for joining me. >> great to be with you. >> does paris represent some kind of new heightened level of activity? are you noticing or hearing more chatter or different kinds of
plots? >> with the caveat that i'm not going to get into intelligence information, i think it's fair to say that we've seen indications for some while that isil has increasing capability to execute attacks outside of iraq and syria. indeed, if you recall we saw earlier attacks in brussels, belgium. we saw attempts elsewhere in paris. of course, in recent weeks we've seen the isil affiliate take down the russian aircraft as well as attacks in beirut, lebanon and elsewhere. paris was particularly shocking and multi-facetted attack. i think it's inline with what we have seen to be isil's capability that is growing to project violence outside of the iraq and syria theaters.
>> is it fair to say that the president and the administration underestimated isis wh? >> we have been on top of the threat since the summer of 2014 when isil made a significant move to take territory in iraq. from that point on, we have acted milltarially but not just militarily. we built diplomatically a coalition of 65 countries. we had worked to cut off isil's source of revenue and financing through an active counter financing campaign and now through trying to take out their oil production and distribution network. we've tried to counter the flow of foreign fighters into syria and iraq. we've done that in partnership with dozens of countries who strengthen their laws and regulations. >> are you making fronts?
you hear people saying we should be bombing the oil fields. >> we are. we are. >> on the recruits. it does seem like they continue to get recruits. >> they are continuing to get recruits. there's no question. what is a positive step and this is going to have to be a constant battle is that we are increasingly seeing countries around the world trying to intradict their own citizens before they leave. we see improvements in countries like turkey which are front line states for which the foreign fighters have flowed cutting off the passage routes for those who have come in from elsewhere. >> hillary clinton says that she thinks the administration's policy towards isis needs to be intensified and in particular, you need to have a no-fly zone and create safe havens. why is she wrong?
>> we agree and we are intensifying our strategy and accelerating our efforts with isil. we have been constantly assessing and revising and improving our strategy from the time we began summer of 2014. well before the events of the last few weeks we were in process of deciding and the president did decide to a number of enhancements that have been announced. the special operations forces and limited and tactical ways in syria working to close off the border. it will enable us to go after high value targets and other opportunities to collect and take advantage of intelligence. we are doing a number of things that are building on what we have found works and where we have seen the things don't work,
we have let them -- we've divested them from our strategy. we are intensifying and accelerating. with respect to no-fly zones and safe areas, this is something we have looked at very carefully and repeatedly including recently. while they are certainly arguments that could be make for the humanitarian benefits. frankly, they are not black and white and can come back to that. they are not, in our estimation, the most effective and proximate thing we can do to counter isil. they are resource intensive. they don't get to the problem of taking back territory from isil. plus, they require tens of thousands of troops on the ground holding territory. if you're going to have a safe zone. >> what do you do about this process of self-radicalization where isil has for social media,
propagate its message and somewhere somebody in some basement is getting self-radicalized and goes out and kills a bunch of people. >> that's a very real challenge. it's one that proceeded isil. i've presumed it will be one that will endure beyond isil and its defeat. what isil has done, perhaps more effectively of some of its predecessors is utilized social media. the other thing that's attracted foreign fighters is this methodology of the caliphate. we're focusing on shrinking the
space that isil controls and defeating them in that space is substantially to deal with the attractiveness to some extremists of the concept of caliphate. this will have to be a multi-facetted endevour. it's going to take time. it's going to have to be substantially focused in iraq and syria but not exclusively. we are seeing isil evolve in other parts of the world and discussed our effort to address it in places like libya. we're also working to address it in places like nigeria where boka haram, has taken up the isil mantle. next, i will ask ambassador rice about the united states's strange relations with vladmir putin and russia, and just what was putin saying to her and
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she's president obama's national security advisor. listen in. there's this photograph, very intriguing photograph of you, president obama, vladmir putin and i assume a translater huddled around a coffee table. what was he saying to you? >> it was an extended conversation of almost a half hour. we were talking about these very issues of what needs to happen to move forward in syria. >> does russia have the same interest as the united states in that conversation? >> no. we don't have identical interests, obviously. there are some overlapping interests. the challenge is can we maximize our area of overlapping interest. we think that the russians do
share an interest, ultimately, following the experience with their aircraft in weakening isil. they are investing at this point in propping up assad. they think the way to fight isil is to have a strong government in damascus under assad. we think the way to fight isil is to have a legitimate government and we think assad, by virtue of killing hundreds of thousands of his own citizens has lost all legitimacy. he has to go. the majority population who are sunni in syria feel they have an opportunity to govern, not exclusively but proportionate to their population if that's how they choose to vote. the challenge is not so much in terms of agreeing on the ends.
it's agreeing on the means. we still have some significant differences on the means. president's been very clear. he would welcome russia playing an effective role in going exclusively after isil. russia is going a little bit after isil but mostly going after the other elements of the opposition that directly threaten the assad regime. >> final question, in the last year you've had what studies seem to show is a 50% of increase in the number of deaths through terrorism. you have russia not just in the middle east but the ukraine refusing to abide by the terms of the cease-fire. you have boka haram. does the world feel more dangerous to you than when he you began your job as national security advisor? >> i don't know if it feels more dangerous, but it's unsettled. we're dealing with very significant threats as we have been discussing throughout the
course of the interview. i think also there's more to what's going on in the world than the instability and the terrorist interest as important and critical as that is. the united states has been dealing with a number of leadership challenges. in every instance even as we're dealing with these proximate threats, we're trying to exert leadership in the way that makes the world more safe. we have led the world to where we are hoping to get to in paris with respect to combatting climate change. it was the united states, staking out ambitious targets s, partnering with china. this led to 180 nations around the world putting forward very significant commitments that taken collectively will have a significant impact on climate
change. it was the united states that brought the world together to deal with the ebola outbreak. that's something we'll have to be vigilant about, what could have been a massive global health challenge is largely snuffed out. that was u.s. leadership. we have led the world to come to an agreement with iran to ensure that iran does not acquire nuclear weapon. something that will keep our allies in the region and all of us safer. it ends 50 years of a failed policy. around the world, even as we're having to deal with these significant challenges of the sort that we've been talking about, we have also within working to enhance and ensure americans long term security whether from pandemic disease or climate change or increasing economic opportunity through
things like tpp. this challenge is dealing with all these things simultaneously, making sure that we're on top of the threats but also not losing sight of the opportunities and getting as far as fast as we can on seizing those opportunities. >> ambassador susan rice pleasure to have you on. >> good to be with you. next, why the world should be extremely worried about the direction of one of america's staunchest allies. it's the story that's been flying mostly under the radar. we will bring it to you next. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line.
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members of the one of the most successful rock bands of all time, u2. they were in town for a on concert of their own said to be held the next night and broadcast by cnn's sister company, hbo. instead of playing their instruments on stage that day, the members of the band laid flowers. the show will go on, however. u2 will play paris tonight and tomorrow and hbo will air u2 innocence, an appearance live in paris on monday night 9:00 eastern. to talk about the significance of that night in paris and its aftermath i'm pleased to be joined by the lead singer of u2. hey, guys. what was it like to be in paris when these attacks took place?
>> it was, obviously, awful and chaotic and you immediately think of who you know, your crew, who's out in the city. that kind of mentality. we thought about the eagles and what was happening there. they were still locked in. >> this was the band playing where the largest number of people died. >> we tried to help them the next day with various things. we tried to find plane for them to get out and things like that. turns out the best way to help them was finding them phones. because their phones had been left in the venue and the venue was sealed off. they were in the police station and back in hotel rooms without communications. turns out that was the most useful thing was find them some phones. >> in a way this was an attack on the kind of life you guys represent. it's an attack on rock music, the single largest place where the people died was a rock concert. >> seemed like the target was culture and every kind of
expression the best of humanity. music, restaurants, french food, everything that was -- that we hold dear seemed to be the target. france is also the birth of the enlightenment movement which gave birth to america. it's like the place where the modern western world was born. i think the thing we have to hold onto now in the aftermath is that we are not wrong. the instinct to start dousing these values and these ideas is like we're right. we're right. that's why we're so determined to get back to paris as soon as we can. >> did you think about even playing the next day? was it even possible? >> we hoped we could play the next day. it dawned on us just how serious it was. we had to give up on that. >> we didn't have a choice
because within a few hours of starting we were given word by the city that they were shutting down all events. it wasn't even our decision. we were very determined to get back there as quick as we can. paris is a very romantic city. the essence of romance is defiance. defiant joy, we think is the mark of our band and of rock and roll. they're a death cult. we're a life cult, life force. celebrating all things we love, food, soccer. they're trying to destroy those things. they don't like women. what else is there? music, women. we've sensed that defiance in paris. the word from our fans is, i think it was 300 tickets not taken up. something really small for the
rescheduled show. they're probably people coming from other continents, i don't know. >> every one who could have been here is showing up. >> everyone is coming back. >> i saw somebody, you remember right after the attacks, a guy brings out his piano and started playing imagine. we showed that clip on tv. you sent me a nice e-mail about it. i saw a couple of people write articles saying how hopeless this is. is that the response of terrorism, music? i take it you think that is a response. >> that's poetry in music. >> and humor. >> three things. old facist organizations are afraid of humor. violence is their language. when you unseat their sort of male energy and that feminine energy of playing music is beautiful. think about the idea of
outlawing music. a child sings before it can speak. it's the very essence of our humanity. >> there's only been a couple of political movements in the history of the world that have targeted music specifically. the taliban, band music and during revolution also music was banned. we think of music as the sound of freedom. we think that rock and roll has part to play and going back to paris is not just symbolic, i think we're starting the process of resistance and defiance against this movement. >> now, the concert you're doing is really about innocence and experience. it's about growing up in ireland in a time of which you have political violence, terrorism, sectarian religious struggle. when we come back i want to ask you to talk about how the fast
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when you've confront that kind of thing and use music to respond, what are you saying? >> i think most importantly it's a song against violence as a tool for politics of any kind. our experience in ireland bore all that out. peace broke out as spread through dialogue and compromise when people sat down and started to realize that they had a common goal for their, the aspirations of the people they represented. it was far more to be gained by getting together than by continuing in the same cycle of violence and suspicion and mistrust. that's the theme of that song is that violence can never create a meaningful solution to anything. >> again, there's some similarities about how christianity had been abused as indeed by the crusaders.
they were doing what the islamists are doing now which is a perversion of their faith. islam -- you do know, sorry. it means surrender. the idea of taking up arms is the distortion of it. that's what sunday, bloody sunday was to point out the easter in christ laying down for his brothers rather than taking lives. >> you also must have seen what the effect of various kinds of responses to terrorism were because the way the british responded to a lot of attacks often seem to play into the ira's hands. >> it wasn't just in ireland. it was bombings in britain. i remember outside birmingham where there were roadblocks, vigilante roadblocks. people got hurt because they must be part of this conspiracy. this is the thing to really
watch for here in the united states and around the world. the islam extremism, particularly isis have a hand book. they talk about the gray zone. that's their enemy. it's the common place where we get on very well. they seem to destabilize that. then they've won. they're not after the live. they're not trying to take lives. they're trying to take away our way of life. watch this in the united states. be very, very careful. this idea of only take christian refugees, this is not the american idea. i'm always saying this. i'm reminding people that america's not just a country. it's an idea. it's just a moment to refocus on our values, your values. they're sacred values and watch people call themselves american.
i understand the overreaction. i understand fear. you understand nervousness and security concerns. i think there's 12, maybe 15 state agencies involved in a 24-month checking. think of madeline albright. steve jobs dad. irish people. refugees probably the right word for us. we were running from nothing to these united states. then they win. don't let them win. >> bono, the edge. thank you so much for being here. >> pleasure. >> thank you. >> always a pleasure.
>> don't miss u2 innocence and experience live on hbo monday night. thank you for being part of my program. i'll see you next week. good morning. it's time for a special edition of reliable sources. the love/hate relationship that's at a breaking point. donald trump and the media. first they doubted him. >> if donald trump is ill equipp equipped, he'll fate away. >> there's real concern this becomes a republican. >> then they came under attack. naki i naming names. >> he stood up and started ranting and raving.