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thanks for joining me. i'm fredericka whitfield. we're three days away from the final republican presidential debate of the year here on cnn. donald trump just spoke at a rally in north carolina where he said the gunman in the san bernardino terrorist attacks could have been stopped if the victims were armed. >> we have a horrible situation that took place a week ago in california. now, they came in. they shot 14 people. others are dying right now. you'll have more, because they're very badly wounded. i have a right to carry. i'm a member of the nra. my sons are members, long-time. they're much better shots than i am. they're actually really good. but they're members. but if inner the were there, ife there, if anybody were there that had a weapon, if you were in that room, those people wouldn't have shot 14 people. we might have gone down fighting, but they're going down with us.
>> atia abawi was there at the rally. what was the bottom line? >> reporter: four times, protestors interrupted donald trump's speech here today. one of which unfolded live on air with us. we did find out that protester is awe muslim protester, unhappy with mr. trump's policies. he specifically stood up when donald trump was talking about guantanamo bay. there are three other times when protestors stood up, many of them unhappy specifically with trump's proposal to temporarily ban muslims coming into the united states. here's a little bit of that moment earlier today. >> we have a very serious situation with radical islamic
terrorism. [ applause ] and politicians don't want to talk about it. they just don't want to even mention. we have a president who refuses to use the term. and he doesn't want to use the term. so i've used the term big league. and i talked about what we have to do. we have to get our arms around this. we don't want people coming in and knocking down world trade centers and happen what happened last week in california with two people, radical, crazy, horrible people. we don't want what happened in paris. and what happens here. we don't want it. and we have to get our country under control. >> reporter: now, as donald trump was saying just that, a small group of about three protestors stood up, they faced the press, they had their backs to donald trump, and they did not say anything. it was a silent protest. they said, "stop islamophobia."
many times there were rowdier and more vocal protestors, one held up a sign saying "refugees welcome." certainly a lot of feelings about his controversial proposal to ban muslims coming into the u.s. donald trump it seems at this point is very used to protestors coming to his rally. he made note of some of the protestors, saying this is a beautiful thing that can happen in this country. he said more people, more conservatives, he said, should have been protesting the last seven years of the obama administration. fred? >> thank you so much, atia abawi. don't miss the debate tuesday night, 6:00 and 8:00 p.m. eastern time. also cnn will announce the debate lineup tomorrow morning on cnn's "state of the union"
with jake tapper. don't miss jake's interview with donald trump. breaking news in the investigation of the san bernardino massacre. divers are using metal detectors in a grid search of a lake about 3 miles from the site were syed rizwan farook and his wife tashfeen malik killed 14 people more than a week ago. cnn's ana cabrera joins us now from the lake. what more is being learned from this investigation? >> reporter: we're continuing to see divers go in and out of the water, mostly focusing on the area around the shoreline, as well as that bridge, areas where somebody might be able to throw something into the water. the fbi telling us they have found a number of items in this lake in the past couple of days that they've been searching here, although they won't disclose what those items are or whether they know for sure if they're connected to the case. the fbi spokeswoman telling me, use caution here because in a public lake like this, they find
all kinds of things and of course it takes further investigation to determine how or if it's connected to the shooting. but the fbi was given a tip or a couple of leads, we're told, that brought them to this lake, that the shooters had been seen in this vicinity, in this area, on the day of the attack, which now is about ten days ago. we've learned that these divers are using metal detectors. they're performing a grid search. the deepest part of the lake that they're searching is about 8 feet deep. they have special protective equipment as well as equipment that allows them to see in this murky blackwat water. there's about ten members of their team along with members of the san bernardino sheriff's office. they're working methodically, so as not to miss anything that could be evidence in this case, unanimo namely that hard drive still missing that can tell
investigators who or if they may have been talking to others who may have been influencing them in this attack, fred. >> thank you so much, ana. moments ago the final draft of the climate change agreement was accepted by more than 190 countries in a conference in paris. it comes at the end of nearly two weeks of intense negotiations. the international deal will force countries to tackle global warming and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. after the draft was approved, president obama tweeted, "this is huge." the president and secretary of state john kerry are expected to speak on this agreement later on today. coming up, new details about the deadly brawl between two motorcycle clubs in waco, texas, remember that? we've already seen the dramatic video from inside the bar. and now we have new video from the parking lot of how it all began. you'll see that, next. all: milk! milk! milk! milk! milk! okay! fun's over. aw. aw. ♪
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now this video that cnn has obtained from a source close to the investigation gives us a better understanding of what happened that day in may. we have to warn you, the video is graphic. >> reporter: it is a violent showdown. in newly-obtained footage by cnn, it shows the moments that led to the bloody shoutout between rival biker gangs in texas last may. it picks up with an argument already in process. two allied motorcycle clubs are huddled to the left. o off-camera, two arch-rival gangs after one is nearly hit by a motorcycle. the rivals point fingers at each other as to who started the fight. then chaos. you don't have to hear gunshots to feel the intensity erupt outside the twin peaks restaurant. some bikers duck for cover.
you can see others run from the slaughter. perhaps the most graphic portion, a man in a red bandanna speaks up on another biker and appears to strike him in the throat. the two wrestle on the ground before a third joins in. the man in the red bandanna is struck several times in the head while on the ground. he's stomped at least once. elhe lies motionless. one man checks the blood dripping from his arm. another falls to the ground after appearing to be shot. >> tremendously tragic video there. according to a source, four of the nine bikers who died were hit by .233 caliber ammunition. the feud was brewing way before the day of the shooting. in interviews with police, bikers said it was over a longstanding dispute about fees
that one gang wanted to charge the other. others say it was just about respect. >> that video will make a sizable impact on the investigation? >> it will be a huge part of the investigation. they'll figure out exactly who is responsible for certain deaths and take a closer look. we tried to zoom in on our edit bays to see what we could see. i'm sure the police willing looking at it closely. >> thanks, nick valencia. straight ahead, what the u.s. is doing to track down and identify potential terrorists in the u.s. a live report, next. jusdoes that mean they have toer grow apart from their friends,
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down potential terrorists in the u.s. after the terror attack in san bernardino. officials say lone wolf style attackers are the hardest to identify. >> reporter: just today we learned about an arrest that went down earlier this week. the fbi i've a 19-year-old minneapolis man who allegedly took to twitter with isis-related threats against law enforcement. that's what is part of a larger issue here, people who get the attention of police. then you have those lone wolves who don't pop up on law enforcement radar until it's too late. they're the ones that law enforcement are scrambling to track down. there's no telling how many isis-inspired operatives may be in the u.s. the fbi reports it has some 900 active cases where they're looking at potentially isis
sympathizers. the george washington university shows at least 300 americans or u.s.-based sympathizers who actively support isis on social media and spread their propaganda. 71 people have been arrested for so-called isis-related activities, 56 this year alone, the most terrorism-related arrests minutes 9/11. an arizona man is charged with helping a new york college student get isis training in syria. his case among dozens making their way through federal court systems across the country. the figures reflect the constant struggle for u.s. officials to track down streamists already in the country, efforts that weren't enough to thwart isis-inspired attacks in san bernardino, california. investigators continue to dig into syed farook and tashfeen malik's past. >> we also believe they were inspired by foreign terrorist organizations. we're working very hard to
understand exactly their association and the source of their inspiration. >> reporter: the u.s. facing its greatest terrorism threat since 9/11, a sobering statement from the fbi. who are the subjects of these hundreds of investigations ongoing by the feds? that study does suggest that the typical profile here of an isis recruit would include a 26-year-old male, fred, but if you look back at the attacks in san bernardino, you'll notice malik does not fit that description. law enforcement is having to work hard to identify these individuals. >> indeed. polo sandoval, thanks so much. >> reporter: you bet. washington leaders are outraged over controversial comments made by supreme court justice antonin scalia. he questioned whether some african-american students belong in elite colleges and universities. >> reporter: justice antonin
scalia's comments came in a case challenging policies at the university of texas. abigail fisher, a white woman, is suing the school saying she was denied admission based on her race. here is what scalia said. >> there are those who contend that it does not benefit african-americans to get them into the university of texas where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less advanced school, a slower track school where they do well. one of the briefs pointed out that most of the black scientists in this country don't come from schools like the university of texas. >> reporter: he was most likely referring to a theory called mismatch. it suggests that racial preferences do more harm than good. it's been heavily criticized by
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we're almost there, almost game time, just about a half hour from now until army takes on navy in one of the biggest and oldest rivalries in college sports. game day traditions are happening right now. guess who is front and center? at least at a tailgate party first. folks are there in large numbers, they're excited, as is tradition. what's going on there in philadelphia? >> reporter: absolutely. this guy has been played since 1890. i must say it represents those who play for the love and respect of each other. it's more than just a game. nothing represents that more than chance from army and lindsey from navy who just got engaged last night. [ cheers and applause ]
chance, i have to ask you, does this mean house divided today and forever more? >> absolutely. it always will. >> lindsey? >> not much of a competition when navy wins every year. >> chance, tell me how you guys met. >> we actually met three years ago this weekend at army-navy. we were exceeding in the patriot games in philly. >> reporter: it was love at first fight, interservice fight. lindsey, this is about more than the x's and o's. >> at the end of the day it's about those in uniform who protect our freedoms and make this country the best that it is. >> reporter: absolutely. congratulations, guys. we're moments away from the biggest, baddest game. it represents those who play for the love of country, the love of each other. who here things that army is going to win the game? >> oh, my gosh, you did it. >> reporter: who things navy's going to win? [ cheers and applause ]
fred, it is going to be absolutely awesome. everyone who watches this game, enjoy it, it's true american sports gem. >> i like it. you know what i say, go usa. that's all i've got to say. coy wire. they're having too much fun out there in philadelphia. much more news straight ahead. thanks for hanging out with me. i'm fredericka hatfield. next, "the secret lives of super hero hackers." there are good guys and bad guys. then there are people who live in the gray area. ones and zeroes. behind the computer, superpowers that can be used for good or evil, to secure your bank account or take it down. they're the influencers, the gatekeepers of our virtual life. you haven't met them but they're
in your computers, your credit cards, your stores. it's time to introduce yourself. >> i have every right to be a coked up prostitute but i would rather be a nerd. >> a legion of people who want freedom. >> i'm a fan of stan lee. with great power comes great responsibility. >> vegas. i've always found it strangely fascinating. darth vader, chewbacca. everyone's looking for a dollar. vegas is about the show, the promise of something better. this particular week there's a different type of show. you might not even realize it's happening. but i suggest you turn off your wi-fi, because during this week, the strange little mecca fills with what's becoming one of the most influential groups in the world -- hackers.
thousands and thousands of hackers descend on vegas, to party and hack. if vegas is a gigantic party, every year at cybersecurity conferences, black hat and defcon, the best hackers in the world gather to show off their party tricks. it's not what are you drinking. it's more like what are you hacking. think about hacking as a modern day super power that can be used for good or evil. josh korman is a hacker who uses his power for good. >> mistake number one is thinking that hacking is bad. it's a form of power. and power can be used for all sorts of reasons. i'm a big fan of stan lee and the whole "spider-man" thing. with great power comes great responsibility. >> reporter: what divides the people who use it for good or for bad? >> technology is used by
different people for different things. a hammer can build a home or crack a skull. >> reporter: here's why this group matters. these days everything from planes and even coffee makers have computers inside. more and more, hackers are finding ways to control them from afar. one hacker who uses her power for good found a flaw with a wi-fi connected gun. >> this gun has kind of wi-fi attached to it. the first thing most people will say is, awesome, it will help you shoot and aim better. thest thing you say is, i can't wait to tear this apart and show how vulnerable this is. >> you can talk directly into the back end of the system. what we tested specifically was to change the weight of the bullets. and that made the shot go 2.5 feet to the left instead of the target they were aiming at. >> reporter: she told the gun maker. they say it's safe to use is and have updated the rifle since the version she tested. it's that step, telling the
company, that divides the hacking community. a good hacker, a white hat, reports the problems they find so other users aren't at risk. a bad hacker or black hat wants to make money for gain power. information can be sold on the black market. it's not that cut and dry. a white hat by day could be a black hat by night. for those who use the skill for good, there's always the "what if." do you ever struggle with it? do you think think about, well, what if i went the other way? >> yeah. i mean, there's always the fleeting thought, i could be on a beach, drinking out of a gold encrusted goblet. but i always keep in mind that like for any hack, especially one that would result in financial gain, there is a victim. >> reporter: here's what you realize when you handing out with hackers at defcon. this strange cyber event is a microcosm for the real world. browse the web on an insecure
browser and these guys can see what you're looking at. >> this is what people are looking at right now. >> abercrombie and fitch right there. >> reporter: connect to insecure wi-fi in a room full of hackers, chances are you'll end up on what they call the wall of sheep, stolen passwords for everyone to see. this is meant to be a public service, to remind you to only browse on trusted wi-fi networks. if it happens to you, kind of embarrassing. hackers at defcon are secretive. cnn gained access only by adhering to very strict secrecy rules. would you call yourselves good hackers? >> white hat hackers. >> good purposes. >> reporter: most of the people i met here started hacking as kids. they broke things. they wanted to see how things worked. of course the best you can hope for is that they continue to
hack for good. as they say, with great power comes great responsibility. coming up, you've heard of the girl with the dragon tattoo. meet the real life version. >> based on where i came from, i have every right to be a coked up prostitute. i would rather be a nerd. >> how hacking broke her free from abuse. and check out cnn's first digital comic book at cnnmoney.com. stealing your customers' secrets. there's an army of us. relentlessly unpicking your patchwork of security. think you'll spot us? ♪ you haven't so far. the next wave of the internet requires the next wave of security. we're ready. are you?
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back with an ability to hack. unlike the fictional character, her story is real. >> this is before all the books came out. it was my first tattoo, i was proud of it. i'm not so proud of it now. my story was similar to the girl in the dragon tattoo, she hacks people, socially and technology-wise. she has a hell of a pass. >> at 3, her mom joined a religious group outside of austin, texas. there was beauty and belief and devotion to a leader. it was all a cover for horrific abuse. >> he began sexually abusing people including me. >> do you remember the first time it happened? >> i was standing in the kitchen wearing an sari and he started touching me. >> the adults in the community didn't protect her. >> not only did they not stop
it, they would send us into this guy's hands on a regular bases and told us to enjoy it. the only outlets that i had were books or computers. and when i got the computer, it was like lightning in my life. it was a total savior. i got one with a modem, plugged it in, and heard that famous -- then it was game over from there. >> it was her growing ability to hack, to speak another language, that opened doors outside of the ashram. >> hacking and computers to me became such an incredible outlet to me. there was definitely a conception in people's mind that hacking can be very bad. but it's also good in a way too, like sometimes you have to break things down to figure out how to make them better. >> hacking was her ticket to freedom. outside the closed bubble of the consult, she used those skills to become what you would call a professional protector. at nasdaq her job was to think
like a bad hacker, while hostile governments were on the offense trying to steal sensitive stock information, she played defense, finding weak links before they could get to them. >> i want people to feel better and protected. maybe that's where it came from. >> she's taken on hackers from all over the world. as an adult she was able to take on the first person who exposed her to injustice, swami g. the story was featured here on cnn's "the hunt." it was her testimony that helped lead to his conviction. he was sentenced to 280 years in prison but disappeared after posting bail. >> growing up with such an impressive life as a child, freedom to me is very important. >> to show me where she finds freedom, she asked me to come here, where she spends quite a bit of time. >> i need to be able to do what i want, when i want, how i want. skydiving allows me to do that. it takes you through the roller coaster of what is life.
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egypt. virus. no, not random words. they're code names for people in the hacker culture. the farther you go, the weirder it gets. there's no one size fits all definition of "hacker." everyone hacks for a different reason. some act for a cause. it's called "hack-tavism." anonymous's targets range from government agencies to terrorist group isis. one common method, denial of service attacks, essentially overloading a website with traffic until it crashes. think of it as a virtual picket sign. sometimes people applaud their work. other times, quite the opposite. i spoke to a member. i knew he was legitimate because of conversations we've had in prior attacks. is there a unifying principle to
anonymous? >> if we are breaking the law, there is go wrong with the law. >> reporter: a nazi sympathizer forum. i was connected to him by a security consultant. >> we find out why they're holding a meeting, call people in on the meetings, just trying to cause as much disruption and chaos as possible. >> reporter: while he says he's hacking for justice, he also might be helping people steal your credit card. he writes software to find security flaws, then sells them online. >> i don't ask questions about what they do with it. they could be using it for horrible purposes or good purposes. >> reporter: he says he got into this when he became unpopular with the community of good hackers. >> i had to make some choices, to either do what i do or live
on the street, i guess. >> reporter: and then there are those who use hack-tavism to protect. morgan isn't hiding behind a mask but that doesn't mean his work isn't risky. >> i've analyzed hard drives that revealed that the people working in syria, aid workers, had actually been compromised by pro-state actors that find these e-mails that contained malicious documents. the malicious document purported to be a list of insurgents. this basically sells itself, right, because you receive this list when you want to open it to see if you're on it. like wildfire, everyone is opening these malicious documents, which caused, you know, the implantation of s spyware on their computers. i was coming out here for this interview, a joke that far too
many people made for my comfort, they're like, it's not actually going to turn out to be one of the groups of people you're pissed off and they're going to bury you in the desert. >> for morgan, this work isn't his day job. but he says he has a responsibility. >> i have a fairly fundamental belief in the value of privacy and free expression as human rights. >> coming up, a hacker with a made-up name and the attention of everyone, from the fbi to edward snowden. and check out cnn's first digital comic book at cnnmoney.com. don't let it conquer you. with the capability and adaptability of lexus all-weather drive. this is the pursuit of perfection.
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throughout history, coding and decoding messages that is fueled wars. take world war ii. mathematicians created a code machine called enigma. fast forward to arab spring. how did protestors organize safely? many used something called encryption. but that's also the same way terrorists might work together
to plan a major attack. the whole idea is to make your messages secret. encryption jumbles words into random numbers, letters, characters. the words only decode for the person meant to read them. it's a debate at the highest levels of government, because the same tech that helps the good guys also shields the bad. and that tech is going mainstream. at the center of it all, this guy. >> we're out of food. >> and the means to cook it? >> we're out of fuel. >> his name is moxie marlinspike. it sounds made up because he is. he won't tell you anything about where he's from or anything about his past. but everyone from secret agents to edward snowden looks to what he has to say on one topic -- encryption. >> if i share photos online with friends, my intention is to
share with them. it's not to share with twitter the company, or facebook the company, or the government. >> he builds an app that makes encryption easy to use. it's also used by whatsapp. >> it's encrypted from their device to the recipient's device. nobody in between can see what they're saying. >> it's making it easier than ever to protect your self, and harder for law enforcement to crack down, spurring conversations like these. >> all of our papers, all of our information will have strong encryption. that will have profound consequences for law enforcement. >> where this is headed is some kind of stockpile of encryption keys. i think this proposal is a big time loser. >> i lean further in the direction of strong encryption than some do. but i am saympathetic to law
enforcement because i know the pressure they're under to keep us safe. >> this man was the deputy director of the nsa. >> encryption is one of many ways that an adversary, a rogue nation, a terrorist, to hide their activities. >> some in washington want the ability to access encrypted conversations if there's reason to think there's a threat. think of it as asking for a key to a locked door. >> the question is, do we then try to provide some exceptional access to technologies of that sort by building in a front door under the bright light of the rule of law. >> for her inglis, the answer is yet. but to moxie, that's not possible. >> they're not capable of managing those secrets. they're getting hacked every day. >> some folks in washington want silicon valley to build solutions. moxie won't be a part of that. he plays by his own rules, where tech drives the good, the bad,
and in this case, the policy. >> we're at a moment in history when it's possible for us to ignore policy discussions thats are, instead of asking people to change the law or change their surveillance practices or whatever, we can just do it ourselves. >> while moxie is obsessed with your privacy, a different type of hacker specializes in getting you to overshare. what if i told you there's a class of hackers who don't just have social skills, they have more social intelligence than anyone you'll ever meet. david kennedy is one of them. he's what's known as a social engineer or a people hacker. his craft is to dupe you into doing things and sharing information you probably shouldn't. >> can i just get your credit card number? >> some use it for illegal activity. in david's case, companies pay him to find out if employees are leaving the company vulnerable. he and his team show us how it's done. step one, spoof his number so it looks like he's calling from inside the company. then call tech support. >> hello, are you there? >> hi, can i help you? >> i was wondering if you can take a look at a website i'm
trying to get to. it's for a big customer thing i'm working on for monday. i can't seem to get to the website from my computer. >> sure, what's the website? >> thanks, man. it could be a stupid thing. i really suck with computers. it's www.survey-pro.com. >> yeah, i got a prompt to open. i clicked open. i'm at the site now. >> the i.t. guy doesn't realize that by clicking that link, he's given him full access to the computer. >> awesome, it's working now, i appreciate the help. >> that was it? >> we're on his computer right now. >> you were able to take over this guy's computer within i would say like under two minutes. >> under two minutes, took over his entire computer. think of it as the downfall of the entire company. >> in this case the company was paying david to hack them to see
if their employees would fall for it. they did. kennedy hacks to protect. he's part of a growing number of hackers using the skill for good. josh korman is one of them too. he started a group to help bridge the gap between hackers and big companies. >> hacking is a form of power, not surprisingly, as you walked into my house and saw all the "spiderman" stuff. i'm a stan lee fan, with great power comes great responsibility. we're coming to the point where information affects people's lives. we have to be deliberate about how people use that power. >> he formed the group after his mom passed away. >> she was my science teacher. she taught me darkness is the absence of light. if you see something missing in the world, maybe it's up to us to put it there. >> you feel like you have a very personal responsibility? >> we have so much potential to shape our culture, our values, our safety, if not us, then who?
>> it's that potential that could hurt or help, in a world where these guys are the new superheroes and hacking is the ultimate power. i'm laurie segall. top of the hour, 3:00 p.m. eastern. thank you so much for being with us. we begin in california where scuba divers in southern california have pulled some items out of a lake today near the site of that bloody massacre in san bernardino. it may be trash, but it may be something very helpful to solve one of the deadliest terror attacks ever on american soil. we are closely monitoring what's happening. we're waiting for an official statement from the fbi. while we do that, here is what we know at this hour. davis with metal detectors are grid searching this